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lotusleafBurgundavia: did you finish that bit you were working on earlier?01:50
lotusleafon that topic, I noticed something interesting, in this article: http://archives.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/10/16/corel.linux.on.ms.idg/index.html it mentions  "Why the partnership with Microsoft? Rene Schmidt: Fundamentally -- you've probably heard [new Corel CEO]  Derek [Burney]  mention it in the past -- the friendship that we've had in the past with Microsoft is something that we want to bring back to the01:52
lotusleafmainframe.01:52
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lotusleaf" which is interesting. Curious, how long has the latest Novell CEO served?01:52
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lotusleafyo jono02:06
jonohey02:07
jendahey there jono02:07
poningrujono: if you wanted to look at the spec02:28
poningrujono: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/loco-press-releases02:30
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jonoponingru: looking now :)02:47
poningruthanks02:47
lotusleafMadpilot: yo02:47
Madpilothi02:47
lotusleafMadpilot: how goes?02:48
Madpilotgood02:48
lotusleafr0x0r, is UWN #23 being decended upon yet?02:48
jonoponingru: looks good02:54
jonoI think we need to get more press releases translated02:54
jonoI think should be a goal for Feisty02:54
poningru:)03:08
poningrusweet03:12
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somerville32Are we going to try to get UWN#23 out tonight?05:46
Madpilotdidn't 22 just come out a few days ago?05:46
lotusleafsomerville32: I inquired earlier but received no response05:46
lotusleafbusy busy people! :)05:46
somerville3223 is suppose to be for today-705:47
somerville32haha05:47
lotusleafMadpilot: check this out: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1807725&postcount=9605:47
somerville32I'm guessing 22 was late05:47
Burgundavia23 out tonight or tomorrow05:47
BurgundaviaI am not feeling the greatest right now05:47
elkbuntu:( sick?05:47
Burgundaviayep05:48
Burgundaviaslept most of today05:48
elkbuntu:(05:48
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Burgundaviaoh, joy, I have hit slashdot05:48
lotusleafBurgundavia: did you sleep at all or did you stay up all night on that blog post? :P05:48
Burgundaviahttp://linux.slashdot.org/linux/06/11/26/0152225.shtml05:49
Burgundaviawent to bed around 4ish, feeling fine05:49
Burgundaviagot up around noon, felt like crap05:49
lotusleaf:/05:49
Burgundaviaso I lazed around and read05:49
lotusleafload up on vitamins ;)05:49
lotusleafafk making a post ;)05:50
somerville32Burgundavia: Btw, I applied to the ubuntu-wiki team - just to let you know. <g>05:51
Burgundaviasaw that05:51
somerville32Am I all good?05:52
Madpilothi Burgundavia05:53
Burgundaviahey Madpilot05:53
Madpilotgot heat yet?05:53
Burgundavianope05:54
elkbuntuBurgundavia, i'd like to advise you to go for tomorrow with UWN.05:54
Burgundaviathat is the plan05:55
somerville32I'll tinker away at it :] 05:57
elkbuntusomerville32, please steer clear of the suse invitation/ open day/ mark's posts thing for now05:59
lotusleafBurgundavia: http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=208360&cid=1698966606:00
Burgundaviaright06:00
somerville32elkbuntu: lol, Yeah... I agree.06:00
somerville32All the fighting makes me fatigued.06:01
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somerville32:D06:02
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somerville32Any ideas for a feature of the week?06:07
BurgundaviaI think we should swap out the feature for the week for a spec of the week section06:08
MadpilotFeature of the Week: How to Poach Devs From Other Projects, by SABDFL </me ducks>06:09
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lotusleafMadpilot: with a side of lemon? :)06:09
Madpilotpoached in a white wine sauce, maybe06:09
lotusleafMadpilot: don't tell me, you're going to make a new "sabdfl has a posse" poster, with a gecko :)06:10
somerville32What about a "Featured Community Member" of the week in the future?06:10
BurgundaviaI would rather kick the behindubuntu people to do more interviews06:10
Madpilotlotusleaf, you mean w/ the Suse iguana logo? hmmm... <evil grin>06:10
Burgundaviawe could have a group of zulu warriors roasting a large lizard06:11
lotusleafMadpilot: haha, ya.. or Chameleon, whatever it is. ;)06:11
lotusleaflol06:11
somerville32Did we do a feature of the week on Joshker (sp) yet?06:12
Burgundavianope, but it is not the repos and thus does not qualify06:13
somerville32Whats the reqs for a featured specification?06:14
Burgundavia1) not have already been featured06:14
Burgundavia2) see 1)06:14
somerville32https://blueprints.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/winmodem-support ?06:15
Burgundaviayep06:15
Burgundaviatry and group similar spec together in a single writeup06:15
Burgundaviafocus on end user specs06:15
somerville32Yep thats already been done or yep I can feature that spec?06:16
Burgundaviaonly featured spec was last week, with network services and something else networky06:16
Burgundaviaanyway, I need to get some exercise, so will be back in a bit06:18
somerville32kk06:19
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elkbuntuwe need to stop using the word 'poach'. it is merely a highly targeted recruitment drive :06:23
lotusleafelkbuntu: exactly, I like this comment on the issue: http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=208360&cid=1698948206:26
lotusleafit's about choice06:27
elkbuntulotusleaf, there's still a matter of how you go about presenting choice06:27
lotusleafelkbuntu: and how did Microsoft present choice to Novell?06:27
elkbuntuwith dollarsigns06:28
MadpilotAnyone know what email address jenda uses for paypal? I owe for a couple of posters...06:28
elkbuntuMadpilot, @ubuntu06:28
Madpilotk, thanks06:28
lotusleafit just goes to show, everyone has an opinion, and the especially negative ones get the most press06:29
somerville32Ok06:32
somerville32Wrote the feature specification section06:32
somerville32Can I write something about the Xubuntu meeting that happened today/06:35
somerville32It is the first Xubuntu meeting in almost a year, haha06:35
elkbuntuo.O wha?06:36
elkbuntufirst in a year.. that's.. um....06:37
lotusleafI guess they finally found the X on the map ;)06:39
somerville32I'm just joking06:39
somerville32lol06:39
somerville32It's been 6 months though since their last one06:40
somerville32Well.. our last one06:40
somerville32haha06:40
elkbuntuthats still poor form06:40
Madpilotuntil Friday, it had probably been that long since the last DocTeam meeting, so the Xubuntu folks aren't alone06:40
tonyyarussoMadpilot: How was the rest of that?06:41
somerville32Pretty good, haha06:42
somerville32I tried to milk free work from them...06:42
somerville32didn't work :(06:42
Madpilottonyyarusso, rest of what? I missed the entire DocTeam meeting, if that's what you mean06:42
tonyyarussoMadpilot: Oh, right.  nvm06:42
somerville32Ok, listed this week's security reports06:43
lotusleafgreat, on the /. " Mark Shuttleworth Tries to Lure OpenSUSE Devs" article, there's a flash ad for Novell06:44
poningruhehe06:46
somerville32Does anyone want to give me some advice on if I'm ready to apply for membership or not yet?06:47
tonyyarussoI could ask the same, so I'd probably be a poor reference ;)06:52
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somerville32hehe06:54
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towsonu2003whoever CodySomerville is, pls send him/her a special thanks from me for including winmodem spec into the weekly newsletter #3 :)06:55
tonyyarussolotusleaf: Dunno, but you can get alligator on a stick at the State Fair06:55
lotusleaftonyyarusso: no kiddin?06:55
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tonyyarussolotusleaf: Of course.  along with all sorts of other weird stuff.06:55
Madpilotdeep-fried alligator on a stick?06:55
tonyyarussoDeep fried Snickers bar on a stick?06:55
tonyyarussoMadpilot: Yes.06:56
tonyyarussoDeep fried ice cream on a stick?06:56
Madpilotcool. All good fair/carnival food is deep fried06:56
lotusleafMadpilot: poster idea: BBQ pit (circle) and over it roasts three lizards, all placed nicely into a logo ;)06:56
tonyyarussoCheese curds on a stick?06:56
tonyyarussoMadpilot: and on a stick.  That's crucial.06:56
lotusleaftonyyarusso: crikey, I gots to try some, mate06:56
Madpilotlotusleaf, um, we aren't *actually* trying to offend Suse people,  you know ;)06:56
tonyyarussoThere are also fairgrounds maps on a stick, pickles on a stick06:56
lotusleafMadpilot: I never suggested such a thing =)06:57
tonyyarussolotusleaf: Just show up in Falcon Heights, Minnesota around Labor Day06:57
lotusleaftonyyarusso: do you frequent that largest mall in America place?06:58
tonyyarussolotusleaf: God no.06:58
lotusleafhaha, why, does it suck?06:58
somerville32What else can I do for UWN#23?06:58
tonyyarussoOnly time I ever go there is if I need to get shoes from Nordstroms, but now I fit into Rockports, so I haven't been in a few years.06:58
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jendaMr. Shuttleworth is one bright business man...12:58
lotusleafyes indeed12:58
lotusleafI, for one, welcome our sabdfl overlord12:59
tsmithejenda, how do you mean?01:01
jendatsmithe: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061125-8286.html01:02
tsmitheoh... the opensuse post01:02
tsmithehmm01:02
lotusleaftsmithe: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=208360&cid=1698966601:03
jendaI mean it in a good way in terms of capabilities - he is very good at mapping the circumstances, and acting accordingly. The Ubuntu Open Week is a 'great' opportunity... what if some of those devs just do come and listen in for a bit?01:03
lotusleafjenda: I agree01:03
jendaI don't have an opinion on teh correctness yet, though.01:03
tsmitheme neither01:04
lotusleafjenda: I think he made a smart move01:04
tsmithedefinitely01:04
jendaIt seems to me very... business-man-like. It is wrong, but was worth it ;)01:04
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jendaDefinitely a smart move, not sure if a wise move, though.01:04
lotusleafjenda: what happens in the business world to people who don't take risks?01:04
tsmitheyes01:05
tsmithelotusleaf, they get bought out! or bust01:05
lotusleafor they sell out01:05
tsmithesell out, get bought out, same thing01:05
lotusleafyup01:05
jendalotusleaf: there is taking risks, and there is morality.01:05
lotusleafjenda: I understand both sides, and expressed myself in a few posts about it.01:06
jendaspeaking of moves - a chess allegory - there is no such thing as a smart but unwise move in chess, as chess is a war, without rules. Here, however, we aren't at war, not near it. And there definitely are rules.01:06
jendaI have to read a bit :)01:06
lotusleafjenda: IMO the war's been on-going for some time now01:07
jendaThere is a war, true, but OpenSuSE and Ubuntu are on the same side.01:07
lotusleafI've been around for long enough to observe certain companies involved and their history, I didn't cut my teeth on 95, 98, xp, I was around long before that01:08
lotusleafjenda: then openweek should be interesting, no? :)01:09
jendaDefinitely.01:10
jendaI believe some of the 'other' devs that come and see it might even really sitch.01:10
jendaswitch01:10
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lotusleafjenda: agreed01:11
jendaSo...01:11
jendafor us, who's hands are clean and didn't troll on the OpenSuSE ML, it's a win-win ;)01:12
jendaMark is the only one who gets the blame.01:12
lotusleafjenda: very true, but google lotusleaf suse and tell me the first thing you see :P01:12
jendalotusleaf: "Young sexy virgins alone at home with webcams"  - is that what you meant?01:14
lotusleafI've seen a couple of other people, I won't mention names, come to forums and lists and plug their distro and ask for help, too though01:14
lotusleafuh... no01:14
jendathat's the first result, but the second is: http://www.suseforums.net/index.php?showforum=4801:14
jenda;)01:14
lotusleafyeah, right :P01:14
lotusleaffor me it's "<lotusleaf> I dual booted my SUSE and Windows CDs into the trash can"01:14
lotusleafwhen that topic was set in #ubuntu-offtopic01:15
lotusleafya, I used to be a suse user, I enjoyed it for awhile01:15
jendayeah, I get that as #4 or so01:15
jenda"Also, Welcome lotusleaf as our official updater for our Latest Versions section"01:15
jendaooh01:15
lotusleafyup01:15
lotusleafI killed a lot of my time with that01:15
jendaon ' tI recognize you from suseforums ? Get tired of SuSE ? I did too ...01:16
lotusleafI modded two different unofficial suse forums01:16
jendahehe01:16
jendathe diversity is what the linux world is about.01:16
lotusleafstill wish Ubuntu had something [with a GUI]  to configure/set refresh rates like SUSE's sax201:16
lotusleafoh, agreed01:17
tsmithebut yast is so slow!01:18
jendaUBuntu seriously lacks on GUI config apps.01:18
tsmitheyeah, agreed01:18
jendaI don't mind - but my disciples do :)01:18
lotusleaftsmithe: yeah, I'm not suggesting yast as a whole01:18
jendadisciples = converts01:18
tsmithei know01:18
lotusleafjenda: heh, agreed01:18
tsmithehopefully, though, with Xorg 7.3, we won't need much gui config, or config at all01:19
lotusleaftsmithe: yeah, but when I give newbies ubuntu, they should have some type of refresh rate changer01:19
tsmitheinde3ed01:19
tsmithe*ideed01:19
tsmithe*indeed01:19
tsmitheeven01:19
lotusleafit'll come, in time01:19
lotusleafit's not like it's rocket science01:19
jendalotusleaf: you meant the spelling of 'indeed'?01:25
lotusleaflol01:26
lotusleafno, I meant the app(s)01:26
lotusleafbut thanks for the chuckle01:26
lotusleaf:)01:26
jenda01:35
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KenSentMejenda: KABOOM04:15
jendaoink04:15
KenSentMejenda: i've received your posters, thanks for sending them04:16
jendaKenSentMe: any news?04:16
jendahehe :)04:16
jendacool04:16
jendawas happy to. How are they?04:16
KenSentMeThey look nice04:16
tsmithethey *are* nice04:16
tsmitheb-e-a-u--tiful04:17
tonyyarussoponingru: ping?04:20
jendahehe04:21
jendadon't argue, please ;)04:21
tsmithewho's arguing?04:22
jendajust kidding.04:22
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tonyyarussoAny Gobby/sobby experts about?04:24
tsmithewhy?04:25
tsmithei might be able to help04:25
tonyyarussoFrom what I can tell so far, the host of the session just saves all of the files and system log stuff in one file in it's own little format.04:26
tonyyarussoI'd like to have it directly edit files on the system.04:26
tonyyarussoLike, be able to run sobby hosting all files in /var/www/somesubdir, and log in with folks to edit them and have them go live immediately on autosave (determined by autosaveinterval)04:27
tsmithehmm i dunno04:28
tsmithe:(04:28
tonyyarussoNuts04:28
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tsmitheyou'll probably do better poking around, cos i have no idea04:28
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somerville32So, are we going to mention the open suse thing in UWN or not?07:41
tonyyarussoponingru: ping?07:51
jendaponingru is in high demand these days.07:53
poningrutonyyarusso: pong07:57
poningrusorry07:57
tonyyarussoponingru: I have a sobby question, and you're the only one I know who uses it ;)07:58
poningruwhatup07:58
tonyyarussoRather than having everything stored in the special sobby file, I want to be able to edit files on the system live.07:58
poningruyeah it wont let you do that07:59
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tonyyarussoLike, have sobby load all of /var/www/somesubdir/*, and be able to edit them directly07:59
tonyyarussoWhy the heck not?07:59
poningruI tried to do it that way... but I cant07:59
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tonyyarussosad07:59
poningruindeed07:59
poningrusobby has like zero management utilities08:00
tonyyarussoCopy/paste is a wee bit annoying, especially if I want them to end up on that (x-less) machine ultimately.08:00
tonyyarussoIs there an e-mail address for sobby devs?08:00
poningruhavent really looked around08:00
poningruI was thinking of hacking something together08:00
poningruhavent really gotten around to it08:00
tonyyarussoIf you succeed, let me know.08:00
poningruyeah...08:01
tonyyarussoI was hoping to use it to develop a web site with someone who is just learning html, so being able to show her editing the docs and discuss what I'm doing would be great.08:01
poningruI might as well make it my christmas project08:01
tonyyarusso:)08:01
poningruah nice08:02
poningrugobby also has modular design supposedly08:03
poningruwe need to incorporate that into abiword or OOo08:03
poningruas in libgobby or something08:03
tonyyarussoOoooo, I like08:03
poningruooh gobby integrated into vi08:06
tonyyarussoI think they're working on emacs08:07
poningruyeah looks like they are working on gobby fully and not paying attention to sobby08:08
somerville32What is sobby?08:09
poningruits the server implementation of gobby08:10
somerville32Ah.08:17
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MenZaHAI08:34
somerville32Anyone want to prove UWN23 for me?08:35
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tsmitheprove?09:27
poningruproof read09:28
poningruuh frack09:28
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jendaguys, is the UWN still open?10:44
jendaBurgundavia?10:44
Burgundaviayep10:44
Burgundaviagoing to be working on it soonish10:44
jendaI have something regarding flash910:44
jendabut I realised I don't really understand it.10:45
jendamind if I paste a few lines of IRC convo with jdong?10:45
jendaI take that as a no...10:45
jenda<jdong> jenda: I'm about to approve flashplugin9 for Dapper-backports10:45
jenda<jdong> jenda: BUT, it requires DEBIAN_FRONTEND=interactive in order to isntall10:45
jenda<jdong> jenda: just like the sun Java stuff10:45
jenda<jdong> jenda: so, in the backported package section, I need mention along with flashplayer that if you experience a dpkg configure error, run DEBIAN_FRONTEND=interactive dpkg --configure -a10:46
jendathere, that's it.10:46
jendaBurgundavia: what do you make of it?10:46
Burgundaviayep, that is reasonable10:46
jendahe wanted it mentioned in the UWN10:46
jendaok10:46
Burgundaviaput it in the dapper section10:46
jendaCould I ask you to put it in? I honestly don't understand it.10:47
jendaI have no idea what it means :)10:47
jendaSo no idea how to word it for the UWN.10:47
jenda_pleaaase_10:48
Burgundaviaright10:57
Burgundaviamention that it is about to be backproted10:57
Burgundaviaif people are having issues installing it, they might need to run that command10:57
jendaok...10:57
jendaBurgundavia: one more thing, gobby or wiki?10:58
Burgundaviawiki10:58
jendak10:58
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jendaBurgundavia: on another note, I'm sending a free poster to the winner of next week's trivia quiz in #ubuntu-trivia. Mind if I add a bit about it?11:03
Burgundaviayep, sure11:10
tsmithejenda: i won yesterdays... maybe it'll be me!11:19
jendahmm...11:20
tsmithemmh?11:20
jendaIf it is, I'll stick to my promise, and send you the poster, unless you decide to donate it to the next weeks quiz, since you've already got 15 :)11:20
jendaor 10 or so.11:20
jendaBut you're free not to, of course.11:21
jendaJust as any other winer.11:21
tsmitheoh, the same kind? i'll donate it by default then11:21
jendacool ;)11:21
tsmithei thought you could've got a new batch11:22
tsmithedunno why...11:22
jendanah, I still have 150 left.11:22
tsmithecool... rate slowed?11:22
jendayes :)11:24
dotwaffleI was tempted to get one for our event, but knowing our campus, it'll just get graffiti over it or ripped.11:33

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