=== MenZa [n=menza@last.fm/subscriber/pdpc.student.MenZa] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === tsmithe [n=_t_@82-70-109-22.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === MenZaLap [n=menza@last.fm/subscriber/pdpc.student.MenZa] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === lophyte [n=dsulliva@ubuntu/member/lophyte] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === tsmithe [n=_t_@82-70-109-22.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === tsmithe [n=_t_@82-70-109-22.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === macluvjay [n=jthigpen@adsl-11-31-147.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === linuxphotogeek [n=zen_love@wt1.core.wireless.fsr.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === linuxphotogeek [n=zen_love@wt1.core.wireless.fsr.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [01:50] Burgundavia: did you finish that bit you were working on earlier? [01:52] on that topic, I noticed something interesting, in this article: http://archives.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/10/16/corel.linux.on.ms.idg/index.html it mentions "Why the partnership with Microsoft? Rene Schmidt: Fundamentally -- you've probably heard [new Corel CEO] Derek [Burney] mention it in the past -- the friendship that we've had in the past with Microsoft is something that we want to bring back to the [01:52] mainframe. === linuxphotogeek [n=zen_love@wt1.core.wireless.fsr.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [01:52] " which is interesting. Curious, how long has the latest Novell CEO served? === jono [n=jono@88-107-64-195.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [02:06] yo jono [02:07] hey [02:07] hey there jono [02:28] jono: if you wanted to look at the spec [02:30] jono: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/loco-press-releases === poningru should probably email that to the list === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [02:47] poningru: looking now :) [02:47] thanks [02:47] Madpilot: yo [02:47] hi [02:48] Madpilot: how goes? [02:48] good [02:48] r0x0r, is UWN #23 being decended upon yet? [02:54] poningru: looks good [02:54] I think we need to get more press releases translated [02:54] I think should be a goal for Feisty [03:08] :) [03:12] sweet === rexbron [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-marketing [] === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === jono [n=jono@88-107-64-195.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has left #ubuntu-marketing ["Ex-Chat"] === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === somerville32 [n=ubuntu@fctnnbsc15w-156034086182.nb.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [05:46] Are we going to try to get UWN#23 out tonight? [05:46] didn't 22 just come out a few days ago? [05:46] somerville32: I inquired earlier but received no response [05:46] busy busy people! :) [05:47] 23 is suppose to be for today-7 [05:47] haha [05:47] Madpilot: check this out: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1807725&postcount=96 [05:47] I'm guessing 22 was late [05:47] 23 out tonight or tomorrow [05:47] I am not feeling the greatest right now [05:47] :( sick? [05:48] yep [05:48] slept most of today [05:48] :( === elkbuntu cuddles you better [05:48] oh, joy, I have hit slashdot [05:48] Burgundavia: did you sleep at all or did you stay up all night on that blog post? :P [05:49] http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/06/11/26/0152225.shtml [05:49] went to bed around 4ish, feeling fine [05:49] got up around noon, felt like crap [05:49] :/ [05:49] so I lazed around and read [05:49] load up on vitamins ;) [05:50] afk making a post ;) [05:51] Burgundavia: Btw, I applied to the ubuntu-wiki team - just to let you know. [05:51] saw that [05:52] Am I all good? [05:53] hi Burgundavia [05:53] hey Madpilot [05:53] got heat yet? [05:54] nope [05:54] Burgundavia, i'd like to advise you to go for tomorrow with UWN. [05:55] that is the plan [05:57] I'll tinker away at it :] [05:59] somerville32, please steer clear of the suse invitation/ open day/ mark's posts thing for now [06:00] Burgundavia: http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=208360&cid=16989666 [06:00] right [06:00] elkbuntu: lol, Yeah... I agree. [06:01] All the fighting makes me fatigued. === lotusleaf puts on some peaceful music ;) [06:02] :D === somerville32 closes his eyes and twirls in a circle. [06:07] Any ideas for a feature of the week? [06:08] I think we should swap out the feature for the week for a spec of the week section [06:09] Feature of the Week: How to Poach Devs From Other Projects, by SABDFL === Burgundavia smacks Madpilot [06:09] Madpilot: with a side of lemon? :) [06:09] poached in a white wine sauce, maybe [06:10] Madpilot: don't tell me, you're going to make a new "sabdfl has a posse" poster, with a gecko :) [06:10] What about a "Featured Community Member" of the week in the future? [06:10] I would rather kick the behindubuntu people to do more interviews [06:10] lotusleaf, you mean w/ the Suse iguana logo? hmmm... [06:11] we could have a group of zulu warriors roasting a large lizard [06:11] Madpilot: haha, ya.. or Chameleon, whatever it is. ;) [06:11] lol [06:12] Did we do a feature of the week on Joshker (sp) yet? [06:13] nope, but it is not the repos and thus does not qualify [06:14] Whats the reqs for a featured specification? [06:14] 1) not have already been featured [06:14] 2) see 1) [06:15] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/winmodem-support ? [06:15] yep [06:15] try and group similar spec together in a single writeup [06:15] focus on end user specs [06:16] Yep thats already been done or yep I can feature that spec? [06:16] only featured spec was last week, with network services and something else networky [06:18] anyway, I need to get some exercise, so will be back in a bit [06:19] kk === somerville32 waves. [06:23] we need to stop using the word 'poach'. it is merely a highly targeted recruitment drive : [06:26] elkbuntu: exactly, I like this comment on the issue: http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=208360&cid=16989482 [06:27] it's about choice [06:27] lotusleaf, there's still a matter of how you go about presenting choice [06:27] elkbuntu: and how did Microsoft present choice to Novell? [06:28] with dollarsigns [06:28] Anyone know what email address jenda uses for paypal? I owe for a couple of posters... [06:28] Madpilot, @ubuntu [06:28] k, thanks [06:29] it just goes to show, everyone has an opinion, and the especially negative ones get the most press [06:32] Ok [06:32] Wrote the feature specification section [06:35] Can I write something about the Xubuntu meeting that happened today/ [06:35] It is the first Xubuntu meeting in almost a year, haha [06:36] o.O wha? [06:37] first in a year.. that's.. um.... [06:39] I guess they finally found the X on the map ;) [06:39] I'm just joking [06:39] lol [06:40] It's been 6 months though since their last one [06:40] Well.. our last one [06:40] haha [06:40] thats still poor form [06:40] until Friday, it had probably been that long since the last DocTeam meeting, so the Xubuntu folks aren't alone [06:41] Madpilot: How was the rest of that? [06:42] Pretty good, haha [06:42] I tried to milk free work from them... [06:42] didn't work :( [06:42] tonyyarusso, rest of what? I missed the entire DocTeam meeting, if that's what you mean [06:42] Madpilot: Oh, right. nvm [06:43] Ok, listed this week's security reports [06:44] great, on the /. " Mark Shuttleworth Tries to Lure OpenSUSE Devs" article, there's a flash ad for Novell [06:46] hehe [06:47] Does anyone want to give me some advice on if I'm ready to apply for membership or not yet? [06:52] I could ask the same, so I'd probably be a poor reference ;) === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === towsonu2003 [n=towsonu2@c-69-251-20-244.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [06:54] hehe === lotusleaf wonders what lizard meat tastes like [06:55] whoever CodySomerville is, pls send him/her a special thanks from me for including winmodem spec into the weekly newsletter #3 :) [06:55] lotusleaf: Dunno, but you can get alligator on a stick at the State Fair [06:55] tonyyarusso: no kiddin? === somerville32 woots!! [06:55] lotusleaf: Of course. along with all sorts of other weird stuff. [06:55] deep-fried alligator on a stick? [06:55] Deep fried Snickers bar on a stick? [06:56] Madpilot: Yes. [06:56] Deep fried ice cream on a stick? [06:56] cool. All good fair/carnival food is deep fried [06:56] Madpilot: poster idea: BBQ pit (circle) and over it roasts three lizards, all placed nicely into a logo ;) [06:56] Cheese curds on a stick? [06:56] Madpilot: and on a stick. That's crucial. [06:56] tonyyarusso: crikey, I gots to try some, mate [06:56] lotusleaf, um, we aren't *actually* trying to offend Suse people, you know ;) [06:56] There are also fairgrounds maps on a stick, pickles on a stick [06:57] Madpilot: I never suggested such a thing =) [06:57] lotusleaf: Just show up in Falcon Heights, Minnesota around Labor Day [06:58] tonyyarusso: do you frequent that largest mall in America place? [06:58] lotusleaf: God no. [06:58] haha, why, does it suck? [06:58] What else can I do for UWN#23? [06:58] Only time I ever go there is if I need to get shoes from Nordstroms, but now I fit into Rockports, so I haven't been in a few years. === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-marketing.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Topic for #ubuntu-marketing: Welcome to the Ubuntu Marketing Team's IRC channel | We're here to fix Bug #1 | Please sign up to the mailing list, ubuntu-marketing at lists.ubuntu.com | UWN 22 is out, 23 in progress === Topic (#ubuntu-marketing): set by elkbuntu at Sun Nov 26 10:10:55 2006 === tonyyserver [n=anthony@d235-240-148.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === tonyyserver [n=anthony@d235-240-148.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === yama_away [n=yama@ppp224-120.lns3.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === tsmithe [n=_t_@82-70-109-22.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === tonyyserver [n=anthony@d235-240-148.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@d235-240-148.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [12:58] Mr. Shuttleworth is one bright business man... [12:58] yes indeed [12:59] I, for one, welcome our sabdfl overlord [01:01] jenda, how do you mean? [01:02] tsmithe: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061125-8286.html [01:02] oh... the opensuse post [01:02] hmm [01:03] tsmithe: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=208360&cid=16989666 [01:03] I mean it in a good way in terms of capabilities - he is very good at mapping the circumstances, and acting accordingly. The Ubuntu Open Week is a 'great' opportunity... what if some of those devs just do come and listen in for a bit? [01:03] jenda: I agree [01:03] I don't have an opinion on teh correctness yet, though. [01:04] me neither [01:04] jenda: I think he made a smart move [01:04] definitely [01:04] It seems to me very... business-man-like. It is wrong, but was worth it ;) === Red_Herring [n=rj@c-67-162-70-40.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [01:04] Definitely a smart move, not sure if a wise move, though. [01:04] jenda: what happens in the business world to people who don't take risks? [01:05] yes [01:05] lotusleaf, they get bought out! or bust [01:05] or they sell out [01:05] sell out, get bought out, same thing [01:05] yup [01:05] lotusleaf: there is taking risks, and there is morality. [01:06] jenda: I understand both sides, and expressed myself in a few posts about it. [01:06] speaking of moves - a chess allegory - there is no such thing as a smart but unwise move in chess, as chess is a war, without rules. Here, however, we aren't at war, not near it. And there definitely are rules. [01:06] I have to read a bit :) [01:07] jenda: IMO the war's been on-going for some time now [01:07] There is a war, true, but OpenSuSE and Ubuntu are on the same side. [01:08] I've been around for long enough to observe certain companies involved and their history, I didn't cut my teeth on 95, 98, xp, I was around long before that [01:09] jenda: then openweek should be interesting, no? :) [01:10] Definitely. [01:10] I believe some of the 'other' devs that come and see it might even really sitch. [01:10] switch === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [01:11] jenda: agreed [01:11] So... [01:12] for us, who's hands are clean and didn't troll on the OpenSuSE ML, it's a win-win ;) [01:12] Mark is the only one who gets the blame. [01:12] jenda: very true, but google lotusleaf suse and tell me the first thing you see :P [01:14] lotusleaf: "Young sexy virgins alone at home with webcams" - is that what you meant? [01:14] I've seen a couple of other people, I won't mention names, come to forums and lists and plug their distro and ask for help, too though [01:14] uh... no [01:14] that's the first result, but the second is: http://www.suseforums.net/index.php?showforum=48 [01:14] ;) [01:14] yeah, right :P [01:14] for me it's " I dual booted my SUSE and Windows CDs into the trash can" [01:15] when that topic was set in #ubuntu-offtopic [01:15] ya, I used to be a suse user, I enjoyed it for awhile [01:15] yeah, I get that as #4 or so [01:15] "Also, Welcome lotusleaf as our official updater for our Latest Versions section" [01:15] ooh [01:15] yup [01:15] I killed a lot of my time with that [01:16] on ' tI recognize you from suseforums ? Get tired of SuSE ? I did too ... [01:16] I modded two different unofficial suse forums [01:16] hehe [01:16] the diversity is what the linux world is about. [01:16] still wish Ubuntu had something [with a GUI] to configure/set refresh rates like SUSE's sax2 [01:17] oh, agreed [01:18] but yast is so slow! [01:18] UBuntu seriously lacks on GUI config apps. [01:18] yeah, agreed [01:18] I don't mind - but my disciples do :) [01:18] tsmithe: yeah, I'm not suggesting yast as a whole [01:18] disciples = converts [01:18] i know [01:18] jenda: heh, agreed [01:19] hopefully, though, with Xorg 7.3, we won't need much gui config, or config at all [01:19] tsmithe: yeah, but when I give newbies ubuntu, they should have some type of refresh rate changer [01:19] inde3ed [01:19] *ideed [01:19] *indeed [01:19] even [01:19] it'll come, in time [01:19] it's not like it's rocket science [01:25] lotusleaf: you meant the spelling of 'indeed'? [01:26] lol [01:26] no, I meant the app(s) [01:26] but thanks for the chuckle [01:26] :) [01:35] === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === tsmithe is now known as tsmithe-afk === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === MenZa [n=menza@last.fm/subscriber/pdpc.student.MenZa] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === StikkitJim [n=James@cpc1-staf3-0-0-cust99.sol2.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === rexbron [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === ompaul [n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === tsmithe-afk is now known as tsmithe === tsmithe is now known as tsmithe-afk === MenZa [n=menza@last.fm/subscriber/pdpc.student.MenZa] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === tsmithe-afk is now known as tsmithe [04:15] jenda: KABOOM [04:15] oink [04:16] jenda: i've received your posters, thanks for sending them [04:16] KenSentMe: any news? [04:16] hehe :) [04:16] cool [04:16] was happy to. How are they? [04:16] They look nice [04:16] they *are* nice [04:17] b-e-a-u--tiful [04:20] poningru: ping? [04:21] hehe [04:21] don't argue, please ;) [04:22] who's arguing? [04:22] just kidding. === tsmithe knows [04:24] Any Gobby/sobby experts about? [04:25] why? [04:25] i might be able to help [04:26] From what I can tell so far, the host of the session just saves all of the files and system log stuff in one file in it's own little format. [04:26] I'd like to have it directly edit files on the system. [04:27] Like, be able to run sobby hosting all files in /var/www/somesubdir, and log in with folks to edit them and have them go live immediately on autosave (determined by autosaveinterval) [04:28] hmm i dunno [04:28] :( [04:28] Nuts === tonyyarusso wonders when poningru will wake up [04:28] you'll probably do better poking around, cos i have no idea === lophyte [n=dsulliva@ubuntu/member/lophyte] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === MenZa [n=menza@last.fm/subscriber/pdpc.student.MenZa] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === MenZaLap [n=menza@last.fm/subscriber/pdpc.student.MenZa] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === MenZaLap_ [n=menza@0x57325de2.kd4nxx18.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === theCore [n=alex@modemcable128.255-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === tsmithe_ [n=_t_@82-70-109-22.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === tsmithe_ is now known as tsmithe === somerville32 [n=somervil@fctnnbsc15w-156034073039.nb.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === rexbron [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === somerville32_ [n=somervil@fctnnbsc15w-156034073039.nb.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === somerville32 [n=somervil@fctnnbsc15w-156034073039.nb.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === tsmithe is now known as tsmithe-afk === ompaul [n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === tsmithe-afk is now known as tsmithe [07:41] So, are we going to mention the open suse thing in UWN or not? [07:51] poningru: ping? [07:53] poningru is in high demand these days. [07:57] tonyyarusso: pong [07:57] sorry [07:58] poningru: I have a sobby question, and you're the only one I know who uses it ;) [07:58] whatup [07:58] Rather than having everything stored in the special sobby file, I want to be able to edit files on the system live. [07:59] yeah it wont let you do that === tsmithe is now known as tsmithe-afk [07:59] Like, have sobby load all of /var/www/somesubdir/*, and be able to edit them directly [07:59] Why the heck not? [07:59] I tried to do it that way... but I cant === poningru shrugs [07:59] sad [07:59] indeed [08:00] sobby has like zero management utilities [08:00] Copy/paste is a wee bit annoying, especially if I want them to end up on that (x-less) machine ultimately. [08:00] Is there an e-mail address for sobby devs? [08:00] havent really looked around [08:00] I was thinking of hacking something together [08:00] havent really gotten around to it [08:00] If you succeed, let me know. [08:01] yeah... [08:01] I was hoping to use it to develop a web site with someone who is just learning html, so being able to show her editing the docs and discuss what I'm doing would be great. [08:01] I might as well make it my christmas project [08:01] :) [08:02] ah nice [08:03] gobby also has modular design supposedly [08:03] we need to incorporate that into abiword or OOo [08:03] as in libgobby or something [08:03] Ooooo, I like [08:06] ooh gobby integrated into vi [08:07] I think they're working on emacs [08:08] yeah looks like they are working on gobby fully and not paying attention to sobby [08:09] What is sobby? [08:10] its the server implementation of gobby [08:17] Ah. === somerville32 pokes people. [08:34] HAI [08:35] Anyone want to prove UWN23 for me? === lophyte [n=dsulliva@ubuntu/member/lophyte] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === tsmithe-afk is now known as tsmithe === lophyte [n=dsulliva@ubuntu/member/lophyte] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [09:27] prove? [09:28] proof read [09:28] uh frack === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === tsmithe is now known as tsmithe-afk === rexbron_ [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Burgundavia has been playing in the snow === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [10:44] guys, is the UWN still open? [10:44] Burgundavia? [10:44] yep [10:44] going to be working on it soonish [10:44] I have something regarding flash9 [10:45] but I realised I don't really understand it. [10:45] mind if I paste a few lines of IRC convo with jdong? [10:45] I take that as a no... [10:45] jenda: I'm about to approve flashplugin9 for Dapper-backports [10:45] jenda: BUT, it requires DEBIAN_FRONTEND=interactive in order to isntall [10:45] jenda: just like the sun Java stuff [10:46] jenda: so, in the backported package section, I need mention along with flashplayer that if you experience a dpkg configure error, run DEBIAN_FRONTEND=interactive dpkg --configure -a [10:46] there, that's it. [10:46] Burgundavia: what do you make of it? [10:46] yep, that is reasonable [10:46] he wanted it mentioned in the UWN [10:46] ok [10:46] put it in the dapper section [10:47] Could I ask you to put it in? I honestly don't understand it. [10:47] I have no idea what it means :) [10:47] So no idea how to word it for the UWN. [10:48] _pleaaase_ [10:57] right [10:57] mention that it is about to be backproted [10:57] if people are having issues installing it, they might need to run that command [10:57] ok... [10:58] Burgundavia: one more thing, gobby or wiki? [10:58] wiki [10:58] k === tsmithe [n=_t_@82-70-109-22.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [11:03] Burgundavia: on another note, I'm sending a free poster to the winner of next week's trivia quiz in #ubuntu-trivia. Mind if I add a bit about it? [11:10] yep, sure [11:19] jenda: i won yesterdays... maybe it'll be me! [11:20] hmm... [11:20] mmh? [11:20] If it is, I'll stick to my promise, and send you the poster, unless you decide to donate it to the next weeks quiz, since you've already got 15 :) [11:20] or 10 or so. [11:21] But you're free not to, of course. [11:21] Just as any other winer. [11:21] oh, the same kind? i'll donate it by default then [11:21] cool ;) [11:22] i thought you could've got a new batch [11:22] dunno why... [11:22] nah, I still have 150 left. [11:22] cool... rate slowed? [11:24] yes :) [11:33] I was tempted to get one for our event, but knowing our campus, it'll just get graffiti over it or ripped.