[01:50] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: did you finish that bit you were working on earlier?
[01:52] <lotusleaf> on that topic, I noticed something interesting, in this article: http://archives.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/10/16/corel.linux.on.ms.idg/index.html it mentions  "Why the partnership with Microsoft? Rene Schmidt: Fundamentally -- you've probably heard [new Corel CEO]  Derek [Burney]  mention it in the past -- the friendship that we've had in the past with Microsoft is something that we want to bring back to the
[01:52] <lotusleaf> mainframe.
[01:52] <lotusleaf> " which is interesting. Curious, how long has the latest Novell CEO served?
[02:06] <lotusleaf> yo jono
[02:07] <jono> hey
[02:07] <jenda> hey there jono
[02:28] <poningru> jono: if you wanted to look at the spec
[02:30] <poningru> jono: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/loco-press-releases
[02:47] <jono> poningru: looking now :)
[02:47] <poningru> thanks
[02:47] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: yo
[02:47] <Madpilot> hi
[02:48] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: how goes?
[02:48] <Madpilot> good
[02:48] <lotusleaf> r0x0r, is UWN #23 being decended upon yet?
[02:54] <jono> poningru: looks good
[02:54] <jono> I think we need to get more press releases translated
[02:54] <jono> I think should be a goal for Feisty
[03:08] <poningru> :)
[03:12] <poningru> sweet
[05:46] <somerville32> Are we going to try to get UWN#23 out tonight?
[05:46] <Madpilot> didn't 22 just come out a few days ago?
[05:46] <lotusleaf> somerville32: I inquired earlier but received no response
[05:46] <lotusleaf> busy busy people! :)
[05:47] <somerville32> 23 is suppose to be for today-7
[05:47] <somerville32> haha
[05:47] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: check this out: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1807725&postcount=96
[05:47] <somerville32> I'm guessing 22 was late
[05:47] <Burgundavia> 23 out tonight or tomorrow
[05:47] <Burgundavia> I am not feeling the greatest right now
[05:47] <elkbuntu> :( sick?
[05:48] <Burgundavia> yep
[05:48] <Burgundavia> slept most of today
[05:48] <elkbuntu> :(
[05:48] <Burgundavia> oh, joy, I have hit slashdot
[05:48] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: did you sleep at all or did you stay up all night on that blog post? :P
[05:49] <Burgundavia> http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/06/11/26/0152225.shtml
[05:49] <Burgundavia> went to bed around 4ish, feeling fine
[05:49] <Burgundavia> got up around noon, felt like crap
[05:49] <lotusleaf> :/
[05:49] <Burgundavia> so I lazed around and read
[05:49] <lotusleaf> load up on vitamins ;)
[05:50] <lotusleaf> afk making a post ;)
[05:51] <somerville32> Burgundavia: Btw, I applied to the ubuntu-wiki team - just to let you know. <g>
[05:51] <Burgundavia> saw that
[05:52] <somerville32> Am I all good?
[05:53] <Madpilot> hi Burgundavia
[05:53] <Burgundavia> hey Madpilot
[05:53] <Madpilot> got heat yet?
[05:54] <Burgundavia> nope
[05:54] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, i'd like to advise you to go for tomorrow with UWN.
[05:55] <Burgundavia> that is the plan
[05:57] <somerville32> I'll tinker away at it :] 
[05:59] <elkbuntu> somerville32, please steer clear of the suse invitation/ open day/ mark's posts thing for now
[06:00] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=208360&cid=16989666
[06:00] <Burgundavia> right
[06:00] <somerville32> elkbuntu: lol, Yeah... I agree.
[06:01] <somerville32> All the fighting makes me fatigued.
[06:02] <somerville32> :D
[06:07] <somerville32> Any ideas for a feature of the week?
[06:08] <Burgundavia> I think we should swap out the feature for the week for a spec of the week section
[06:09] <Madpilot> Feature of the Week: How to Poach Devs From Other Projects, by SABDFL </me ducks>
[06:09] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: with a side of lemon? :)
[06:09] <Madpilot> poached in a white wine sauce, maybe
[06:10] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: don't tell me, you're going to make a new "sabdfl has a posse" poster, with a gecko :)
[06:10] <somerville32> What about a "Featured Community Member" of the week in the future?
[06:10] <Burgundavia> I would rather kick the behindubuntu people to do more interviews
[06:10] <Madpilot> lotusleaf, you mean w/ the Suse iguana logo? hmmm... <evil grin>
[06:11] <Burgundavia> we could have a group of zulu warriors roasting a large lizard
[06:11] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: haha, ya.. or Chameleon, whatever it is. ;)
[06:11] <lotusleaf> lol
[06:12] <somerville32> Did we do a feature of the week on Joshker (sp) yet?
[06:13] <Burgundavia> nope, but it is not the repos and thus does not qualify
[06:14] <somerville32> Whats the reqs for a featured specification?
[06:14] <Burgundavia> 1) not have already been featured
[06:14] <Burgundavia> 2) see 1)
[06:15] <somerville32> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/winmodem-support ?
[06:15] <Burgundavia> yep
[06:15] <Burgundavia> try and group similar spec together in a single writeup
[06:15] <Burgundavia> focus on end user specs
[06:16] <somerville32> Yep thats already been done or yep I can feature that spec?
[06:16] <Burgundavia> only featured spec was last week, with network services and something else networky
[06:18] <Burgundavia> anyway, I need to get some exercise, so will be back in a bit
[06:19] <somerville32> kk
[06:23] <elkbuntu> we need to stop using the word 'poach'. it is merely a highly targeted recruitment drive :
[06:26] <lotusleaf> elkbuntu: exactly, I like this comment on the issue: http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=208360&cid=16989482
[06:27] <lotusleaf> it's about choice
[06:27] <elkbuntu> lotusleaf, there's still a matter of how you go about presenting choice
[06:27] <lotusleaf> elkbuntu: and how did Microsoft present choice to Novell?
[06:28] <elkbuntu> with dollarsigns
[06:28] <Madpilot> Anyone know what email address jenda uses for paypal? I owe for a couple of posters...
[06:28] <elkbuntu> Madpilot, @ubuntu
[06:28] <Madpilot> k, thanks
[06:29] <lotusleaf> it just goes to show, everyone has an opinion, and the especially negative ones get the most press
[06:32] <somerville32> Ok
[06:32] <somerville32> Wrote the feature specification section
[06:35] <somerville32> Can I write something about the Xubuntu meeting that happened today/
[06:35] <somerville32> It is the first Xubuntu meeting in almost a year, haha
[06:36] <elkbuntu> o.O wha?
[06:37] <elkbuntu> first in a year.. that's.. um....
[06:39] <lotusleaf> I guess they finally found the X on the map ;)
[06:39] <somerville32> I'm just joking
[06:39] <somerville32> lol
[06:40] <somerville32> It's been 6 months though since their last one
[06:40] <somerville32> Well.. our last one
[06:40] <somerville32> haha
[06:40] <elkbuntu> thats still poor form
[06:40] <Madpilot> until Friday, it had probably been that long since the last DocTeam meeting, so the Xubuntu folks aren't alone
[06:41] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: How was the rest of that?
[06:42] <somerville32> Pretty good, haha
[06:42] <somerville32> I tried to milk free work from them...
[06:42] <somerville32> didn't work :(
[06:42] <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, rest of what? I missed the entire DocTeam meeting, if that's what you mean
[06:42] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: Oh, right.  nvm
[06:43] <somerville32> Ok, listed this week's security reports
[06:44] <lotusleaf> great, on the /. " Mark Shuttleworth Tries to Lure OpenSUSE Devs" article, there's a flash ad for Novell
[06:46] <poningru> hehe
[06:47] <somerville32> Does anyone want to give me some advice on if I'm ready to apply for membership or not yet?
[06:52] <tonyyarusso> I could ask the same, so I'd probably be a poor reference ;)
[06:54] <somerville32> hehe
[06:55] <towsonu2003> whoever CodySomerville is, pls send him/her a special thanks from me for including winmodem spec into the weekly newsletter #3 :)
[06:55] <tonyyarusso> lotusleaf: Dunno, but you can get alligator on a stick at the State Fair
[06:55] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: no kiddin?
[06:55] <tonyyarusso> lotusleaf: Of course.  along with all sorts of other weird stuff.
[06:55] <Madpilot> deep-fried alligator on a stick?
[06:55] <tonyyarusso> Deep fried Snickers bar on a stick?
[06:56] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: Yes.
[06:56] <tonyyarusso> Deep fried ice cream on a stick?
[06:56] <Madpilot> cool. All good fair/carnival food is deep fried
[06:56] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: poster idea: BBQ pit (circle) and over it roasts three lizards, all placed nicely into a logo ;)
[06:56] <tonyyarusso> Cheese curds on a stick?
[06:56] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: and on a stick.  That's crucial.
[06:56] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: crikey, I gots to try some, mate
[06:56] <Madpilot> lotusleaf, um, we aren't *actually* trying to offend Suse people,  you know ;)
[06:56] <tonyyarusso> There are also fairgrounds maps on a stick, pickles on a stick
[06:57] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: I never suggested such a thing =)
[06:57] <tonyyarusso> lotusleaf: Just show up in Falcon Heights, Minnesota around Labor Day
[06:58] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: do you frequent that largest mall in America place?
[06:58] <tonyyarusso> lotusleaf: God no.
[06:58] <lotusleaf> haha, why, does it suck?
[06:58] <somerville32> What else can I do for UWN#23?
[06:58] <tonyyarusso> Only time I ever go there is if I need to get shoes from Nordstroms, but now I fit into Rockports, so I haven't been in a few years.
[12:58] <jenda> Mr. Shuttleworth is one bright business man...
[12:58] <lotusleaf> yes indeed
[12:59] <lotusleaf> I, for one, welcome our sabdfl overlord
[01:01] <tsmithe> jenda, how do you mean?
[01:02] <jenda> tsmithe: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061125-8286.html
[01:02] <tsmithe> oh... the opensuse post
[01:02] <tsmithe> hmm
[01:03] <lotusleaf> tsmithe: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=208360&cid=16989666
[01:03] <jenda> I mean it in a good way in terms of capabilities - he is very good at mapping the circumstances, and acting accordingly. The Ubuntu Open Week is a 'great' opportunity... what if some of those devs just do come and listen in for a bit?
[01:03] <lotusleaf> jenda: I agree
[01:03] <jenda> I don't have an opinion on teh correctness yet, though.
[01:04] <tsmithe> me neither
[01:04] <lotusleaf> jenda: I think he made a smart move
[01:04] <tsmithe> definitely
[01:04] <jenda> It seems to me very... business-man-like. It is wrong, but was worth it ;)
[01:04] <jenda> Definitely a smart move, not sure if a wise move, though.
[01:04] <lotusleaf> jenda: what happens in the business world to people who don't take risks?
[01:05] <tsmithe> yes
[01:05] <tsmithe> lotusleaf, they get bought out! or bust
[01:05] <lotusleaf> or they sell out
[01:05] <tsmithe> sell out, get bought out, same thing
[01:05] <lotusleaf> yup
[01:05] <jenda> lotusleaf: there is taking risks, and there is morality.
[01:06] <lotusleaf> jenda: I understand both sides, and expressed myself in a few posts about it.
[01:06] <jenda> speaking of moves - a chess allegory - there is no such thing as a smart but unwise move in chess, as chess is a war, without rules. Here, however, we aren't at war, not near it. And there definitely are rules.
[01:06] <jenda> I have to read a bit :)
[01:07] <lotusleaf> jenda: IMO the war's been on-going for some time now
[01:07] <jenda> There is a war, true, but OpenSuSE and Ubuntu are on the same side.
[01:08] <lotusleaf> I've been around for long enough to observe certain companies involved and their history, I didn't cut my teeth on 95, 98, xp, I was around long before that
[01:09] <lotusleaf> jenda: then openweek should be interesting, no? :)
[01:10] <jenda> Definitely.
[01:10] <jenda> I believe some of the 'other' devs that come and see it might even really sitch.
[01:10] <jenda> switch
[01:11] <lotusleaf> jenda: agreed
[01:11] <jenda> So...
[01:12] <jenda> for us, who's hands are clean and didn't troll on the OpenSuSE ML, it's a win-win ;)
[01:12] <jenda> Mark is the only one who gets the blame.
[01:12] <lotusleaf> jenda: very true, but google lotusleaf suse and tell me the first thing you see :P
[01:14] <jenda> lotusleaf: "Young sexy virgins alone at home with webcams"  - is that what you meant?
[01:14] <lotusleaf> I've seen a couple of other people, I won't mention names, come to forums and lists and plug their distro and ask for help, too though
[01:14] <lotusleaf> uh... no
[01:14] <jenda> that's the first result, but the second is: http://www.suseforums.net/index.php?showforum=48
[01:14] <jenda> ;)
[01:14] <lotusleaf> yeah, right :P
[01:14] <lotusleaf> for me it's "<lotusleaf> I dual booted my SUSE and Windows CDs into the trash can"
[01:15] <lotusleaf> when that topic was set in #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:15] <lotusleaf> ya, I used to be a suse user, I enjoyed it for awhile
[01:15] <jenda> yeah, I get that as #4 or so
[01:15] <jenda> "Also, Welcome lotusleaf as our official updater for our Latest Versions section"
[01:15] <jenda> ooh
[01:15] <lotusleaf> yup
[01:15] <lotusleaf> I killed a lot of my time with that
[01:16] <jenda> on ' tI recognize you from suseforums ? Get tired of SuSE ? I did too ...
[01:16] <lotusleaf> I modded two different unofficial suse forums
[01:16] <jenda> hehe
[01:16] <jenda> the diversity is what the linux world is about.
[01:16] <lotusleaf> still wish Ubuntu had something [with a GUI]  to configure/set refresh rates like SUSE's sax2
[01:17] <lotusleaf> oh, agreed
[01:18] <tsmithe> but yast is so slow!
[01:18] <jenda> UBuntu seriously lacks on GUI config apps.
[01:18] <tsmithe> yeah, agreed
[01:18] <jenda> I don't mind - but my disciples do :)
[01:18] <lotusleaf> tsmithe: yeah, I'm not suggesting yast as a whole
[01:18] <jenda> disciples = converts
[01:18] <tsmithe> i know
[01:18] <lotusleaf> jenda: heh, agreed
[01:19] <tsmithe> hopefully, though, with Xorg 7.3, we won't need much gui config, or config at all
[01:19] <lotusleaf> tsmithe: yeah, but when I give newbies ubuntu, they should have some type of refresh rate changer
[01:19] <tsmithe> inde3ed
[01:19] <tsmithe> *ideed
[01:19] <tsmithe> *indeed
[01:19] <tsmithe> even
[01:19] <lotusleaf> it'll come, in time
[01:19] <lotusleaf> it's not like it's rocket science
[01:25] <jenda> lotusleaf: you meant the spelling of 'indeed'?
[01:26] <lotusleaf> lol
[01:26] <lotusleaf> no, I meant the app(s)
[01:26] <lotusleaf> but thanks for the chuckle
[01:26] <lotusleaf> :)
[01:35] <jenda> 
[04:15] <KenSentMe> jenda: KABOOM
[04:15] <jenda> oink
[04:16] <KenSentMe> jenda: i've received your posters, thanks for sending them
[04:16] <jenda> KenSentMe: any news?
[04:16] <jenda> hehe :)
[04:16] <jenda> cool
[04:16] <jenda> was happy to. How are they?
[04:16] <KenSentMe> They look nice
[04:16] <tsmithe> they *are* nice
[04:17] <tsmithe> b-e-a-u--tiful
[04:20] <tonyyarusso> poningru: ping?
[04:21] <jenda> hehe
[04:21] <jenda> don't argue, please ;)
[04:22] <tsmithe> who's arguing?
[04:22] <jenda> just kidding.
[04:24] <tonyyarusso> Any Gobby/sobby experts about?
[04:25] <tsmithe> why?
[04:25] <tsmithe> i might be able to help
[04:26] <tonyyarusso> From what I can tell so far, the host of the session just saves all of the files and system log stuff in one file in it's own little format.
[04:26] <tonyyarusso> I'd like to have it directly edit files on the system.
[04:27] <tonyyarusso> Like, be able to run sobby hosting all files in /var/www/somesubdir, and log in with folks to edit them and have them go live immediately on autosave (determined by autosaveinterval)
[04:28] <tsmithe> hmm i dunno
[04:28] <tsmithe> :(
[04:28] <tonyyarusso> Nuts
[04:28] <tsmithe> you'll probably do better poking around, cos i have no idea
[07:41] <somerville32> So, are we going to mention the open suse thing in UWN or not?
[07:51] <tonyyarusso> poningru: ping?
[07:53] <jenda> poningru is in high demand these days.
[07:57] <poningru> tonyyarusso: pong
[07:57] <poningru> sorry
[07:58] <tonyyarusso> poningru: I have a sobby question, and you're the only one I know who uses it ;)
[07:58] <poningru> whatup
[07:58] <tonyyarusso> Rather than having everything stored in the special sobby file, I want to be able to edit files on the system live.
[07:59] <poningru> yeah it wont let you do that
[07:59] <tonyyarusso> Like, have sobby load all of /var/www/somesubdir/*, and be able to edit them directly
[07:59] <tonyyarusso> Why the heck not?
[07:59] <poningru> I tried to do it that way... but I cant
[07:59] <tonyyarusso> sad
[07:59] <poningru> indeed
[08:00] <poningru> sobby has like zero management utilities
[08:00] <tonyyarusso> Copy/paste is a wee bit annoying, especially if I want them to end up on that (x-less) machine ultimately.
[08:00] <tonyyarusso> Is there an e-mail address for sobby devs?
[08:00] <poningru> havent really looked around
[08:00] <poningru> I was thinking of hacking something together
[08:00] <poningru> havent really gotten around to it
[08:00] <tonyyarusso> If you succeed, let me know.
[08:01] <poningru> yeah...
[08:01] <tonyyarusso> I was hoping to use it to develop a web site with someone who is just learning html, so being able to show her editing the docs and discuss what I'm doing would be great.
[08:01] <poningru> I might as well make it my christmas project
[08:01] <tonyyarusso> :)
[08:02] <poningru> ah nice
[08:03] <poningru> gobby also has modular design supposedly
[08:03] <poningru> we need to incorporate that into abiword or OOo
[08:03] <poningru> as in libgobby or something
[08:03] <tonyyarusso> Ooooo, I like
[08:06] <poningru> ooh gobby integrated into vi
[08:07] <tonyyarusso> I think they're working on emacs
[08:08] <poningru> yeah looks like they are working on gobby fully and not paying attention to sobby
[08:09] <somerville32> What is sobby?
[08:10] <poningru> its the server implementation of gobby
[08:17] <somerville32> Ah.
[08:34] <MenZa> HAI
[08:35] <somerville32> Anyone want to prove UWN23 for me?
[09:27] <tsmithe> prove?
[09:28] <poningru> proof read
[09:28] <poningru> uh frack
[10:44] <jenda> guys, is the UWN still open?
[10:44] <jenda> Burgundavia?
[10:44] <Burgundavia> yep
[10:44] <Burgundavia> going to be working on it soonish
[10:44] <jenda> I have something regarding flash9
[10:45] <jenda> but I realised I don't really understand it.
[10:45] <jenda> mind if I paste a few lines of IRC convo with jdong?
[10:45] <jenda> I take that as a no...
 jenda: I'm about to approve flashplugin9 for Dapper-backports
 jenda: BUT, it requires DEBIAN_FRONTEND=interactive in order to isntall
 jenda: just like the sun Java stuff
 jenda: so, in the backported package section, I need mention along with flashplayer that if you experience a dpkg configure error, run DEBIAN_FRONTEND=interactive dpkg --configure -a
[10:46] <jenda> there, that's it.
[10:46] <jenda> Burgundavia: what do you make of it?
[10:46] <Burgundavia> yep, that is reasonable
[10:46] <jenda> he wanted it mentioned in the UWN
[10:46] <jenda> ok
[10:46] <Burgundavia> put it in the dapper section
[10:47] <jenda> Could I ask you to put it in? I honestly don't understand it.
[10:47] <jenda> I have no idea what it means :)
[10:47] <jenda> So no idea how to word it for the UWN.
[10:48] <jenda> _pleaaase_
[10:57] <Burgundavia> right
[10:57] <Burgundavia> mention that it is about to be backproted
[10:57] <Burgundavia> if people are having issues installing it, they might need to run that command
[10:57] <jenda> ok...
[10:58] <jenda> Burgundavia: one more thing, gobby or wiki?
[10:58] <Burgundavia> wiki
[10:58] <jenda> k
[11:03] <jenda> Burgundavia: on another note, I'm sending a free poster to the winner of next week's trivia quiz in #ubuntu-trivia. Mind if I add a bit about it?
[11:10] <Burgundavia> yep, sure
[11:19] <tsmithe> jenda: i won yesterdays... maybe it'll be me!
[11:20] <jenda> hmm...
[11:20] <tsmithe> mmh?
[11:20] <jenda> If it is, I'll stick to my promise, and send you the poster, unless you decide to donate it to the next weeks quiz, since you've already got 15 :)
[11:20] <jenda> or 10 or so.
[11:21] <jenda> But you're free not to, of course.
[11:21] <jenda> Just as any other winer.
[11:21] <tsmithe> oh, the same kind? i'll donate it by default then
[11:21] <jenda> cool ;)
[11:22] <tsmithe> i thought you could've got a new batch
[11:22] <tsmithe> dunno why...
[11:22] <jenda> nah, I still have 150 left.
[11:22] <tsmithe> cool... rate slowed?
[11:24] <jenda> yes :)
[11:33] <dotwaffle> I was tempted to get one for our event, but knowing our campus, it'll just get graffiti over it or ripped.