[08:31] <Burgundavia> !seen pygi
[08:31] <ubotu> pygi is on IRC right now!
[08:35] <ogra> Burgundavia, whats up with him ? his last blog entry was worrying
[08:37] <Burgundavia> I have no idea
[08:37] <Burgundavia> I have pinged him, but nothing back yet
[08:37] <ogra> hmm
[09:31] <Ezex> how do i probe for my monitor type so i can set a different driver for X to use?
[09:37] <Burgundavia> driver is based on video card, not monitor
[09:39] <Ezex> o, ok
[09:40] <Burgundavia> what is your issue?
[09:40] <Burgundavia> is your monitor the wrong resolution?
[09:41] <Ezex> not the wrong res its just everytime something scrolls on the screen (like a web page) the screen shudders as it scrolls
[09:42] <Burgundavia> hmm
[09:42] <Burgundavia> what is your cpu doing when scrolling?
[09:42] <Burgundavia> is there flash on the shuddering pages? does it happen on all pages
[09:42] <Burgundavia> ?
[09:43] <ogra> sounds like your graphics card isnt supported or not detected correctly, ltsp falls back to vesa if that happens
[09:43] <ogra> and vesa renders very slow ...
[09:43] <ogra> but it could as well be flash related if it only hapens on pages with flash
[09:43] <Ezex> it used to happen on windows before i loaded the drivers
[09:43] <Ezex> just the default homepage in firefox does the same
[09:44] <ogra> do yu know what kind of graphics card your client has ?
[09:44] <Ezex> no
[09:45] <ogra> try setting a root password by runing:
[09:45] <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
[09:45] <ogra> on the server
[09:45] <ogra> then on the client switch to console and log in as root with the password you have set
[09:46] <ogra> and run: lspci |grep -i vga
[09:46] <ogra> it should return the name and model of your card
[09:46] <Ezex> VIA Tech
[09:47] <ogra> can you get a more precise output ?
[09:47] <Ezex> VIA Technologies, Inc. S3 Unichrome Pro VGA Adapter (rev 02)
[09:47] <ogra> (the model would be intresting)
[09:47] <ogra> meh
[09:47] <ogra> unichrome is to new, there is no proper driver yet
[09:48] <Ezex> should i fall back to 6.06? that worked fine on it
[09:49] <ogra> hmm, then the via drver supported it before, thats odd
[09:49] <Ezex> yea
[09:49] <ogra> you can try forcing it with the XSERVER=via parameter in lts.conf
[09:49] <Ezex> ive notice happens a lot with distros
[09:50] <ogra> but afaik the unichrome support has some issues in it ...
[09:50] <Ezex> i'll put 6.06 back on it and check out the driver it uses
[09:50] <ogra> thats likely the reason our X maintainer disabled it
[09:51] <Ezex> thanks for your help :)
[09:51] <ogra> 6.06 will saldy miss all the cool features :/
[09:51] <Burgundavia> ogra: via doesn't play nice with the open source community
[09:51] <ogra> the unichrome driver is getting there ...
[09:52] <ogra> but its not 100% done yet
[09:52] <Ezex> the manufacturers wont support anyone?
[09:52] <ogra> i have some clients around that dont work with it ...
[09:52] <Burgundavia> Ezex: via runs hot and cold with their Linux support
[09:52] <ogra> Ezex, many of them dont care about linux ...
[09:53] <ogra> it changed over the last years but it still far from perfect
[10:07] <harrypopof> hi all
[10:08] <willvdl> Hey there
[10:10] <Burgundavia> hey willvdl
[10:10] <willvdl> Ola
[10:11] <willvdl> Burgundavia, nice letter came through on My Story
[10:11] <Burgundavia> oh?
[10:11] <willvdl> just extracting small detail from it
[10:11] <willvdl> http://www.mynoteit.com
[10:11] <willvdl> ^^^ the guy is working on this
[10:12] <willvdl> Look & feel is very neat which is usually a good sign for me.
[10:12] <Burgundavia> yep, looks cool
[10:13] <Burgundavia> free?
[10:13] <willvdl> ooh, didn't check
[10:13] <Burgundavia> looks free but not Free
[10:14] <willvdl> yip. Would be nice to see cross development with something like schooltool
[03:54] <bddebian> Heya
[08:13] <cbx33> Boo-ya all
[08:14] <stgraber> hi
[08:16] <juliux> hi cbx33
[08:16] <cbx33> hey juliux
[08:16] <cbx33> hi stgraber
[08:16] <juliux> how are you?
[08:16] <cbx33> not great, but getting better
[08:17] <juliux> good to hear;)
[09:04] <mrlinux> need help setting up dhcp on 6.10
[09:21] <mrlinux> hey
[09:21] <mrlinux> spacey
[09:22] <mrlinux> spacey, i need help
[09:37] <tackat> Hi, I'm working on this new application that is meant to enter KDE-EDU soon:
[09:37] <tackat> http://developer.kde.org/~tackat/marble/marble10.jpg
[09:37] <tackat> http://developer.kde.org/~tackat/marble/marble9.jpg
[09:38] <tackat> http://developer.kde.org/~tackat/marble/marble8.jpg
[09:39] <LaserJock> cool
[09:39] <tackat> any adventourous people willing to test it? You need Qt 4.2 and svn installed
[09:40] <tackat> http://developer.kde.org/~tackat/marble/marble1.jpg
[09:40] <tackat> You don't need OpenGL though
[09:43] <tackat> It just needs a 2D graphics card although displaying a 3D globe
[09:46] <tackat> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2412
[09:46] <tackat> if you're more interested
[09:52] <ogra> tackat, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule do you think you could stabilize it until upstream version freeze ?
[09:53] <tackat> That is when?
[09:53] <tackat> :)
[09:54] <tackat> ah
[09:54] <tackat> February 8th
[09:55] <tackat> right? Yes actually my current plan foresees to have a stable version by Januar 30th as I have another deadline to meet to get shipped with another exciting piece of software.
[09:55] <ogra> and finding an proper automated solution for the map initialization would also be nice
[09:55] <tackat> ogra: you tried it?
[09:55] <ogra> nope, i read the webpage
[09:56] <ogra> but i'll try it in a spare minute the next days
[09:56] <tackat> ogra: that's not a problem I actually intend to have the preinitialized version packaged
[09:56] <ogra> coooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
[09:56] <ogra> oops
[09:56] <ogra> my o got stuck :)
[09:56] <crimsun> it's ok, you're super ogra, your o can stick
[09:57] <cbx33> hey ogra
[09:57] <tackat> the non-initialized version is rather meant for people who are very low on ressources and want to squeeze it on the CD no matter what ;)
[09:59] <ogra> crimsun, haha, no, actually its xgl and beryl that are evil to my keyboard ...
[09:59] <ogra> cbx33, yo
[09:59] <cbx33> ogra, I never thought you'd be a bling bling user ;)
[09:59] <cbx33> ogra, you have any time free to discuss SCP quickly?
[10:00] <ogra> cbx33, not now, i'm pretty busy (returned 5h ago and need to prepare the first milestone CD to be ready until thu.
[10:00] <cbx33> ah right
[10:00] <cbx33> well
[10:00] <cbx33> it's not really technical questions
[10:00] <cbx33> just a, when do we start discussing it and who is working on it?
[10:00] <ogra> bling was the maintheme at MTV
[10:01] <cbx33> heh
[10:01] <ogra> we should work together on it ... since i was involved in the discussions and know the parts that might not be written down
[10:01] <cbx33> totally....
[10:01] <ogra> but feel free to start if you want ...
[10:01] <cbx33> I was just keen know who's doing what
[10:01] <cbx33> ;)
[10:02] <cbx33> I'mvery excited
[10:02] <ogra> _(even though you will be able to listen to the recordings soon afaik)
[10:02] <cbx33> looking forward to wednesdays meeting too
[10:02] <cbx33> oh good
[10:02] <cbx33> I do hope so
[10:02] <cbx33> I was so utterly ticked off when I missed it
[10:03] <cbx33> if I had marked myself as an essential participant woud I have gotte na reminder?
[10:04] <ogra> i dont think so ... but you should suggest that as an LP feature ;)
[10:04] <cbx33> well, I've already talked to jono about the scheduling
[10:04] <cbx33> ;)
[10:04] <ogra> you should have seen the wiki updates though
[10:04] <ogra> the scheduler was horribly buggy ... we had to manually shuffle around a lot to get everything done
[10:05] <cbx33> I suggested perhaps the first 3 days being pre scheduled.....like weeks in advance
[10:05] <ogra> thats why the schedule could change during the day ...
[10:05] <ogra> next time will be better
[10:05] <ogra> that doesnt work the way the process is
[10:05] <cbx33> and then leave the last few days for sechduling as and when needed
[10:05] <ogra> it would make it very ineffective
[10:06] <cbx33> really?
[10:06] <cbx33> even if you know that somethings are going to have to be discussed?
[10:06] <cbx33> I mean, I know I'm not able to make a good comment seeing as I wasn't there
[10:06] <cbx33> just trying to assist non UDS go-er participation
[10:08] <ogra> if you have short quick specs you can get done in one session, so you need to be able to reschedule
[10:08] <ogra> the schedule depends totally on the spec status ...
[10:09] <ogra> and the specs get scheduled from high to low prio ... and take the roms into account as well...
[10:09] <cbx33> i see
[10:09] <ogra> *rooms
[10:09] <ogra> i.e. for a drafting session you need no discussion room
[10:11] <cbx33> yeh i see
[10:11] <ogra> and for certain specs certain people are marked as required to be in the room ....
[10:12] <ogra> the scheduler takes all that into account (usually) and creates the most effective schedule for the next day in the evening ... (at least thats how its supposed to be)
[10:13] <cbx33> hmm....
[10:13] <cbx33> can't we freeze specs a week in advance
[10:13] <cbx33> generate a schedule for the first 2 days?
[10:13] <ogra> whats the cnference for then ?
[10:13] <cbx33> wso the most important discussions are scheduled
[10:13] <cbx33> and everyone knows where they are
[10:14] <ogra> still, what for do you need a speccing conference if you dont work out the specs there ?
[10:14] <cbx33> no i didnt mean that
[10:14] <cbx33> by freezing specs I meant freeze their status
[10:14] <cbx33> *bah* for get what I said about freezing
[10:14] <ogra> if its possible to write a spec without personal discussion it shouldnt even be proposed for the summit
[10:15] <cbx33> no i didn't mean that
[10:16] <cbx33> possibly just make the first discussion for a particular spec scheduled a week in advance
[10:17] <ogra> schedluing the first day a week in advance would be possible i think ...
[10:17] <cbx33> that would be very very useful
[10:19] <Burgwork> it would probably also be good to indicate which have not been scheduled due to lack of interest
[10:19] <ogra> you should be able to guess from the schedule ;)
[10:19] <cbx33> indeed
[10:19] <cbx33> hehe
[10:26] <Burgwork> yes, but rather than have to search and see it via implicit omission, see a list, explicitily
[11:05] <LaserJock> I think we just need a better wrap-up of what went on