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[03:43] <Hobbsee_> ouch, i found a rather critical bug
[03:46] <ajmitch> oh?
[03:53] <Hobbsee_> running a opengl screensaver, out of the standard kubuntu ones, will hardlock your machine after being left for a while
[03:54] <ajmitch> sounds more like a driver bug
[03:55] <Hawkwind> Or a hardware issue
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[03:57] <Hobbsee_> worked on edgy.   i think.
[03:57] <Hobbsee> maybe i never checked that
[03:57] <Hobbsee> that's kinda why i havent filed a bug yet
[03:57] <Hobbsee> oh eys, it *sometimes* locks up
[03:58] <ajmitch> Hawkwind: knowing how Hobbsee treats her hardware, it wouldn't surprise me
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[03:58] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: it seems to still live
[03:59] <ajmitch> amazing
[03:59] <ajmitch> sounds sick?
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[04:51] <Jucato> ouch
[04:51] <Jucato> :)
[04:52] <Jucato> Hobbsee: poked
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[05:06] <Hawkwind> You can't, I ran away 
[05:07] <Jucato> lol
[05:07] <Hawkwind> Though I'm sure that stick has magical powers too, so I'm pretty much in a world of trouble regardless
[05:12] <Hobbsee> exactly.
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=== Hobbsee has discovered at least one feature in suse that she'd like to see in kubuntu
[05:50] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: What feature ?
[05:52] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: the "type / to search" in the kmenu
[05:52] <Hobbsee> and then it just greys out all hte menus that dont have it
[05:54] <Hawkwind> Ah, very nice
[05:55] <Hawkwind> That new kmenu(forget the name) that some SuSe has is superbly nice
=== Hobbsee is of the opinion that that loosk very windows-ey and sucks.
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[05:56] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: i'm sort of trying to upgrade to 10.2 as well, but havent figured out how yet
[05:56] <Hobbsee> to the rc, that is
[05:56] <Hawkwind> Ah.  I've never once touched SuSe so I can't help ya there
[05:57] <Hawkwind> Probably somewhere in YaSt though
[05:57] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:57] <Hobbsee> that appears to be huge though
[05:57] <Hawkwind> I really should try it out someday just to see
[05:58] <Hawkwind> If I do though, I want the KDE with that new kmenu.  Might actually make me somewhat like KDE a bit :)
[05:58] <Hobbsee> i found a vmware image for 10.1 with kde 3.5.4
[05:58] <Hobbsee> to be honest, i havent seen that much greatness yet
[05:58] <Hawkwind> Yep.  I have that on my harddrive.  Just never installed it
[06:04] <Jucato> hm... greatness... :)
[06:39] <Hobbsee> suse *doesnt* like 256mb of ram
[06:39] <Jucato> hehe
[06:39] <Jucato> on VMWare?
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[06:41] <Hobbsee> yes
[06:41] <Hobbsee> and i cnat figure out hwo to change it
[06:42] <Jucato> vmware player?
[06:43] <Jucato> Hobbsee: if you can find a .vmx file for the vm image, try to edit it. there's a line there with something like: memsize = "512"
[06:44] <Hobbsee> yes
[06:44] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[06:44] <Hobbsee> gotcha
[06:45] <Hobbsee> thanks Jucato
[06:45] <Jucato> np :)
[06:47] <Hawkwind> You can change the settings in the menus too 
[06:47] <Hawkwind> No need to edit the file
[06:48] <Jucato> Hawkwind: on vmware-player?
[06:48] <Jucato> iirc, vmware-player doesn't have a menu for that
[06:49] <Hawkwind> Ah, maybe not in player
[06:49] <Hobbsee> suse doesnt seem to want to update - keeps freezing
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[12:38] <Hobbsee> sebas: you around?
[12:39] <kwwii> Hobbsee: sebas is at a meeting and they are probably on a lunch break
[12:39] <Hobbsee> kwwii: ah right.  pity
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[12:41] <\sh> moins
[12:42] <Hobbsee> hey \sh
[12:46] <kwwii> hi \sh
[12:49] <Hobbsee> kwwii: feel like fixing guidance-power-manager?  :P
=== Hobbsee just wants it to work again so she stops running otu of battery power by accident
=== \sh is fighting with ldap
[12:50] <\sh> sudo-ldap integration is quite nice...when it works ;)
[12:50] <kwwii> Hobbsee: I fixed the icons already :p
[12:50] <Hobbsee> haha.  when it works
[12:50] <Hobbsee> kwwii: yes, but now it does not run.  you could fix that too?  :)
[12:50] <kwwii> let me check my schedule ;-)
[12:51] <\sh> hobbsee: actually it works...right now, I'm introducing a new group for doing some build server stuff
[12:51] <kwwii> ohhh, sorry...no time
[12:51] <Hobbsee> \sh: yay!
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[12:52] <Hobbsee> that *wasnt* the correct answer :P
[12:52] <\sh> Hobbsee: plan is, to introduce a ready to use ldap server solution for Ubuntu/Kubuntu for enterprise deployment
[12:52] <Hobbsee> \sh: nice :)
[12:53] <imbrandon> \sh: working with the #ubuntu-directory guys ?>
[12:53] <imbrandon> heya kwwii
[12:53] <imbrandon> ok got to run yall, cya in a few hours
[12:53] <\sh> imbrandon: that's an option I have to think about ;) but yes ;)
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[01:03] <kwwii> hi imbrandon
[01:03] <kwwii> Hobbsee: that better be one long stick to reach me here in germany :p
[01:04] <Hobbsee> kwwii: it reaches montreal too, so it'll reach you, yes.
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[01:04] <Jucato> who's python? :P
[01:04] <kwwii> :-)
[01:04] <Jucato> hi kwwii!
[01:04] <kwwii> howdy Jucato
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[01:05] <Jucato> 3 more hours
[01:05] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:05] <Hobbsee> yeah, sucky timezones..
[01:06] <Jucato> I'm changing my timezone temporarily for a week :)
[01:06] <Hobbsee> :P
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[01:06] <Jucato> hehe
[01:08] <Jucato> looks like sabdfl made another blog post
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[01:11] <Jucato> too bad I can't be around for the Fresher's day :(
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[01:12] <pip> Hello
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[01:13] <pip> i set a folder to be a shared folder ,and running samba server and I can see others's sharing folders in my LAN with Konqueror as well as my sharing folder but I CAN"T open my sharing folder why ?
[01:13] <gnomefreak> on planet?
[01:13] <pip> I just want others in my LAN can use my data as if they use their local data
[01:14] <pip> when I open my sharing folder through Konqueror ,it says "the folder does not exist "
[01:14] <pip> so weird
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[01:15] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: yes, on planet
[01:15] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: two, in fact
[01:15] <gnomefreak> reading it
[01:16] <pip> anything settings wrong ?
[01:16] <gnomefreak> has to figure out how to get my hackergotchi like everyone elses :( and a need a better pic
[01:16] <pip> other windows PC can't see my sharing folder,but I can see theirs'
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=== Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Merge ! http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html | https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty/+specs
=== Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Hobbsee at Sun Nov 26 08:57:12 2006
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[01:46] <pip> Hobbsee: Hi
[01:46] <Hobbsee> heya pip
[01:46] <pip> Hobbsee: do you use samba ?
[01:47] <Hobbsee> occasionally.
[01:47] <pip> Hobbsee: my konqueror is strange ,I can see other's (windows PC) sharing folders in Konqueror but I can not open my sharing folders
[01:47] <pip> why I think the settings of share folder is right
[01:49] <Hobbsee> no idea.  i think i've seen that though
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[02:27] <sebas> Hobbsee: pong
[02:29] <Hobbsee> sebas: heya.  did you know that guidance-power-manager is broken under feisty?  i was hoping that someone would fix ti, and it seems like you wrote the original code
[02:29] <sebas> What does "broken" mean?
[02:29] <sebas> Something with missing icons? (That I know)
[02:31] <Hobbsee> sarah@sarah:~$ Traceback (most recent call last):
[02:31] <Hobbsee>   File "/usr/share/python-support/kde-guidance/guidance-power-manager.py", line 39, in ?
[02:31] <Hobbsee>     from qt import QLabel
[02:31] <Hobbsee> ImportError: dynamic module does not define init function (initqt)
[02:31] <Hobbsee> sebas: ^
[02:31] <sebas> Interesting.
[02:31] <Hobbsee> sebas: new python-qt4 did that
[02:32] <sebas> What does kcmshell userconfig (for example) say?
[02:32] <sebas> Is it broken in the same way?
[02:32] <sebas> It doesn't look like something specific to powermanager though
[02:32] <Hobbsee> Pythonize constructor -- pid = 7653
[02:32] <Hobbsee> Traceback (most recent call last):
[02:32] <Hobbsee>   File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.4/userconfig.py", line 19, in ?
[02:32] <Hobbsee>     from qt import *
[02:32] <Hobbsee> ImportError: dynamic module does not define init function (initqt)
[02:32] <Hobbsee> error: ***failed to import module
[02:32] <Hobbsee> and that gives an error anyway, as if it's nto found
[02:32] <Hobbsee> so yes
[02:33] <sebas> Can you start a python shell (simply with "python") and then do "import qt"?
[02:33] <Hobbsee> >>> import qt
[02:33] <Hobbsee> Traceback (most recent call last):
[02:33] <Hobbsee>   File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?
[02:33] <Hobbsee> ImportError: dynamic module does not define init function (initqt)
[02:33] <Hobbsee> same thing
=== Hobbsee just hasnt appeared to notice it for any other apps
[02:34] <sebas> Right, I've not really an idea (nor the time right now) to have a look at that
[02:35] <sebas> I'm in the middle of a 4 day meeting
[02:36] <Hobbsee> oh right, sorry :(
[02:36] <Hobbsee> thought it was specific to g-p-m
[02:36] <Hobbsee> sebas: enjoy your meeting :)
[02:36] <sebas> No problem. I wouldn't pong if I really couldn't afford the time (and I'd like to see it fixed as well)
[02:36] <sebas> Hehe, right ... thanks!
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[03:14] <Hobbsee> fabo: ping?
[03:17] <Hobbsee> fabo: were you going to push transkode to debian?
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=== DaSkreech reads that as chin-put
[03:52] <allee> heh, kubuntu/mEDUXa for 325000 users: http://dot.kde.org/1164320348/
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[03:54] <bddebian> Heya
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[03:55] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian.  today is revu day.
[03:55] <bddebian> Ack..  Hi Hobbsee :-)
[03:55] <Hobbsee> hehe :)
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[04:16] <freeflying_> Hobbsee: imbrandon do you know if there some works on kaffeine?
[04:16] <Hobbsee> freeflying_: tonio did for a while
[04:18] <freeflying_> Hobbsee: thanks :), I just found kaffeine-0.8.3 out
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[04:19] <Hobbsee> freeflying_: nice!  packaged it yet?  :P
[04:19] <freeflying_> Hobbsee: haven't yet, if tonio_ has no time now, I can do it  :)
[04:19] <Hobbsee> go for it
[04:19] <Hobbsee> i think
[04:20] <freeflying_> :)
[04:25] <fabo> Hobbsee: i must fix an issue with transkode
[04:25] <Hobbsee> fabo: okay.  want me to archive the copy on REVU, you upload it to debian, then sync it across to ubuntu?
[04:26] <Hobbsee> fabo: i dealt with the mess that was icecc-monitor, btw
[04:26] <Hobbsee> fabo: we now sync that straight from debian
[04:26] <fabo> Hobbsee: and i've already done kaffeine
[04:26] <fabo> Hobbsee: k, you can archive the copy on REVU
[04:26] <Hobbsee> oh cool.
[04:26] <Hobbsee> pity freeflying left..
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[04:27] <fabo> i've got strigi too pending ... 0.3.10 must be released today
[04:27] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:27] <Hobbsee> going to fix that linda error at the same time, i presume?
[04:27] <fabo> yes :)
[04:27] <Hobbsee> may as well have it fixed in both distributions :)
[04:28] <fabo> kwlan 0.5.7 pending also :)
[04:29] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:35] <kwwii> mhb: ping?
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[05:09] <mhb> kwwii: hi
[05:13] <mhb> hi everyone else, too
[05:13] <Jucato> hi mhb :)
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[05:17] <DaSkreech> hi mhb
[05:17] <Hobbsee> hey mdz
[05:17] <Hobbsee> hey mhb
[05:18] <mdz> morning
[05:18] <Hobbsee> mhb: how well do dist-upgrades work between edgy and feisty?  or dont i want to know?
[05:19] <Jucato> Hobbsee: maybe they could set up a sort of testing day to test dist-upgrades, just for a reference point. Because we get updates in feisty almost daily, it would be hard to say that it works, but tomorrow it doesn't
[05:19] <Hobbsee> Jucato: true.  however, Riddell isnt around this week
[05:20] <Jucato> yeah. so probably next week
[05:20] <Jucato> dist-upgrade wasn't problematic a few days ago when I upgraded in vmware, btw
[05:20] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: just checking can't you just mute users giving problems in #ubuntu-classroom
[05:21] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: yep, already done that to one
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[05:23] <mhb> Hobbsee: I haven't tested it yet, going to start in December (i.e. after Herd CD 1)
[05:24] <Hobbsee> ah right
[05:24] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i'm trying to paste questions - it's not easy!
[05:24] <Jucato> I know...
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[05:40] <Jucato> getting chaotic again in there...
[05:40] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yep.  not many decent questions now either
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[05:41] <Jucato> I'm having a hard time distinguishing which answers are "authoritative"...
[05:42] <Hobbsee> anyone with a cloak, or who's a dev.
[05:42] <Jucato> heh. I have to do a lot of /whois later when I try to make the transcripts
[05:43] <Hobbsee> heh
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[05:54] <mhb> hmm ... can somebody guess how soon the next kubuntu meeting will be?
[05:54] <Hobbsee> nope
[05:55] <Hobbsee> whenever we set one
[05:55] <Hobbsee> mhb: add stuff to the agenda, and we'll have one when riddell gets back, or sometime after
[05:57] <mhb> Hobbsee: it's not that important, I just wanted to try to apply for the Kubuntu membership
[05:57] <Hobbsee> mhb: fun :)
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[07:26] <allee> Anyone knows if someone works on merging Tonios digikam/showfoto split from 0.8.2 to 0.9-rc1?
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[07:58] <kwwii> re
[07:59] <kwwii> mhb: carlosg was looking for you in #oxygen
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[09:01] <Lure> imbrandon: you session is now?
[09:01] <Lure> s/you/your/
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[09:43] <fdoving> Jucato: good question :)
[09:43] <fdoving> tvtime. bbl.
[09:44] <Jucato> fdoving: hehe :)
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=== gnomefreak hasnt gotten to him with my questions yet but i wont ask them in class. too many questions that way
[09:48] <Jucato> heh
[09:48] <Jucato> I just wanted somethings to be out in public, something I can "quote" when people harass me :P
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[09:49] <Jucato> lol
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[09:49] <jdong> crimsun: sheesh you have a highlight on everything
[09:49] <jdong> alsa
[09:49] <jdong> kernel
[09:49] <jdong> pancakes
[09:49] <Jucato> rofl
[09:50] <crimsun> I'm going to alsa your kernel into a pancake for feisty, yes.
[09:50] <Jucato> hehehe
[09:50] <jdong> Jucato: might wanna stick "DEBIAN_FRONTEND="interactive" dpkg --configure -a" in klippy :)
[09:50] <crimsun> added to ignore list
[09:50] <Jucato> :P
[09:50] <jdong> crimsun: poke :)
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[09:51] <DaSkreech> new?
[09:51] <DaSkreech>  the old ones got nuked?
[09:52] <jdong> DaSkreech: the mirror I'm using is giving me http/500
[09:52] <DaSkreech> ask in #ubuntu-xgl if it's temporary
[09:52] <DaSkreech> The server was in iraq or something
[09:55] <nixternal> QUESTION: What should I get my mom for Christmas?
[09:55] <nixternal> lets see you answer that one imbrandon ;)
[09:55] <gnomefreak> nixternal: ubuntu pc
[09:55] <nixternal> did that months ago
[09:55] <Hawkwind> nixternal: The winning lottery ticket
[09:55] <gnomefreak> can never have too many ubuntu pcs :)
[09:55] <nixternal> ya right, the winning lottery ticket is mine
[09:55] <gnomefreak> oh i forgot to check my numbers for sat
[09:55] <Hawkwind> nixternal: I do hope you'd share, atleast with your mom :)
[09:55] <nixternal> as i did too
[09:56] <Jucato> heh :)
[09:56] <nixternal> i will share with KDE and Kubuntu first, mom is second, or third depending on the order
[09:56] <nixternal> shoot, mom is fourth, forgot about me
[09:56] <Jucato> lol
[09:57] <nixternal> actually, kde and kubuntu would be second and third..im definitely first
[09:57] <jdong> nixternal: you want in on my black friday stash? ;-)
[09:57] <jdong> nixternal: I actually have a 32" LCD HDTV I don't really care much for
[09:57] <nixternal> grrr
[09:57] <jdong> getting all the freakin HDMI whatnot cables is more expensive than the TV :)
[09:57] <nixternal> i don't want to hear about black friday ever again
[09:58] <nixternal> black friday was almost black eye friday..to many crazy people with a thump wish
[09:59] <nixternal> the scroll wheels on the new microsoft mice...are by far the greatest invention ever known to man
[10:00] <jdong> nixternal: no way, the saitek eclipse is :)
[10:00] <nixternal> i messed with that..but the smoothness of the new ms mice...omg awesome
[10:01] <nixternal> no more clickity clickity feeling with the scroll wheel..it is smooth...almost feels like it should be broke it is so good
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[10:02] <DaSkreech> Jucato: are you really still awake?
[10:03] <Jucato> of course
[10:03] <Jucato> dang, konvi just crashed...
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[10:14] <ryanakca> hmm... can you use Qt in python?
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[10:14] <Lure> ryanakca: PyQt
[10:14] <ryanakca> but I don't want to end up having learned python but not being able to use it :)
[10:15] <ryanakca> good
[10:15] <ryanakca> Lure: got a link?
[10:15] <ryanakca> nevermind, I'll google it :)
[10:15] <Lure> http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/pyqt/
[10:15] <Lure> http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/pykde/
[10:16] <ryanakca> thanks
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[10:19] <ryanakca> The cost of a commercial PyQt license for a single developer is 350 (UK Pounds Sterling).
[10:19] <ryanakca> @.@
[10:19] <ryanakca> Erm... I take it that doesn't apply to open source developpers?
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[10:27] <Lure> ryanakca: yep - free for opensource
[10:27] <Lure> ryanakca: same as qt
[10:30] <ryanakca> phew
[10:30] <ryanakca> that comes out to about 800$ CAD, more than I make in a year...
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[10:41] <lotusleaf> Hi, I hope this is the correct place to ask this, I tried #ubuntu-motu several days ago but received no response. When I try to install "kdar" in Kubuntu Edgy, I receive the following message: "kdar:  Depends: libdar3c2a  but it is not installable" I noticed on the Ubuntu Forums someone else posted about this previously. Are there any plans for libdar3c2a to be available in Edgy? Thanks for reading
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[11:01] <ryanakca> lotusleaf: maybe ask in #kubuntu ?
[11:01] <ryanakca> nevermind :)
[11:02] <lotusleaf> ryanakca: thx, I think I asked there, too but received no response
[11:02] <lotusleaf> ryanakca: actually, yes, I did several times for an hour or two
[11:02] <lotusleaf> ryanakca: but with no response ;) So this is my final attempt
[11:02] <ryanakca> lotusleaf: why not just package it yourself? and is kdar from a 3rd party repo? or is it in main/universe/multiverse
[11:03] <lotusleaf> ryanakca: I believe kdar is in universe, I think.
[11:03] <lotusleaf> ryanakca: well, I've thought of that, but this package was in dapper, and it's a pretty important one so I was curious why it wasn't in Edgy
[11:04] <ryanakca> lotusleaf: odd, I would file a bug against it in launchpad...
[11:04] <lotusleaf> ryanakca: thanks, I'll look into that =)
[11:05] <ryanakca> libdar64-4 and libdar-dev are available in the repos...
[11:05] <ryanakca> but that's probably not the same thing as libdar3c2a...
[11:05] <lotusleaf> ryanakca: yup & nope libdar has a different version for libdar64 :) but thx for checking
[11:06] <ryanakca> ah
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[11:11] <lotusleaf> ryanakca: would I file this bug under a new product "kdar" or "libdar3c2a" ?
[11:11] <lotusleaf> ryanakca: it would be my first time on launchpad ;)
[11:12] <ryanakca> oh... I think it would be kdar
[11:12] <lotusleaf> k thx
[11:12] <lotusleaf> :)
[11:12] <ryanakca> dunno though
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[11:14] <allee> lotusleaf: I assume that kdar just needs a rebuild.  c2a reminds on an old migration in debian.
[11:14] <lotusleaf> allee: thanks, so should I hold off posting to launchpad?
[11:14] <allee> lotusleaf: no
[11:14] <lotusleaf> allee: ok, thanks =)
[11:16] <allee> but if you're insterested in a quick&dirty solution:  sudo -i apt-get build-dep kdar; fakeroot apt-get -b source kdar; sudo dpkg -i kdar*.deb
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[11:18] <fdoving> nite all.
[11:19] <allee> fdoving: nite
[11:19] <lotusleaf> allee: thx & gnite
[11:19] <lotusleaf> I get the message "
[11:19] <lotusleaf> "KDar does not use Malone as its bug tracker." on launchpad
[11:21] <lotusleaf> ryanakca: should I select "Bugs are tracked in Malone" for this new product?
[11:22] <allee> lotusleaf: you used the wrong links.   But I just saw it's already reported: https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdar/+bug/62699
[11:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62699 in kdar "[edgy]  wrong dependencies in kdar" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[11:22] <allee> lotusleaf: feel free to add a comment and ask when it get's fixed in edgy ;)
[11:22] <lotusleaf> allee: oh, thanks very much =) ok, so I made kdar as product, did I make mistake and need to remove it?
[11:23] <lotusleaf> https://launchpad.net/products/kdar/
[11:23] <allee> lotusleaf: if you can yes ;)
[11:23] <lotusleaf> thx :)
[11:23] <allee> lotusleaf: you need to use product ubuntu then pkgs kdar
[11:24] <lotusleaf> allee: =) thx
[11:24] <allee> lotusleaf: lauchpad can be a monster, I know ;)
[11:24] <lotusleaf> allee: hehe, it's not bad, just my first time
[11:33] <lotusleaf> ok, I confirmed the issue thanks again ryanakca and allee
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[11:47] <ryanakca> np lotusleaf
[11:47] <lotusleaf> :)
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[12:12] <lotusleaf> ah, ha! it turns out I was correct in making https://launchpad.net/products/kdar after all
[12:13] <DaSkreech> Congrats
[12:13] <lotusleaf> now to find others to help confirm bug 62699 ;)
[12:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62699 in kdar "[edgy]  wrong dependencies in kdar" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62699
[12:14] <allee> lotusleaf: why was it right to create kdar product?