[08:01] <troy_s> greets msikma
[08:03] <msikma> Hello Troy
[08:03] <msikma> What's up?
[08:05] <msikma> How's Ubun2 going?
[08:07] <elkbuntu> it's still spelled without numbers, for start
[08:12] <msikma> Ubun2 is a design project for Ubuntu
[08:13] <elkbuntu> ah, cool
[12:40] <lapo> hi
[08:14] <viller> hi
[08:14] <viller> what's happening with ubuntu-art?
[08:15] <viller> nothing is going on for feisty
[08:18] <kwwii> I guess it is still too early to tell
[08:26] <viller> why too early
[08:26] <viller> they should say something
[08:27] <kwwii> sure, I agree, but since nothing has happened it must be too early for someone's planning
[08:27] <viller> the ubuntu-marketing list (which I'm also subscribed to) is having conversations all the time
[08:27] <viller> probably the developers list too
[08:27] <kwwii> sure
[08:27] <kwwii> my guess is that the problems during the last cycle still need to be worked out
[08:28] <viller> ok
[08:29] <kwwii> but I must add that even though Kubuntu artwork (which I did) worked out great and on time, there is also little happening on that front
[09:48] <troy_s> msikma
[09:48] <troy_s> ping
[09:49] <kwwii> hi troy
[09:49] <kwwii> how's life?
[09:50] <troy_s> Busy as hell.
[09:50] <troy_s> Yourself?
[09:50] <troy_s> Pingunz... sorry bro... didn't see you there.
[09:51] <PingunZ> no problemo :)
[09:51] <kwwii> hi PingunZ
[09:52] <PingunZ> kwwii, Will you be the kubuntu Feisty artist ? :)
[09:52] <troy_s> The design for all buntu's is still completely hooped.
[09:52] <PingunZ> Can I get some detailt about that ?
[09:52] <PingunZ> :)
[09:53] <PingunZ> I wanna see that starbuck's work ..  :)
[09:56] <kwwii> PingunZ: not sure...I've talked to sabdfl about it but until now do not have a contract
[09:57] <PingunZ> Hmm
[09:57] <PingunZ> Before I say mean things about sabfl .. can I see some starbuck work ? :)
[09:58] <troy_s> oh crap pingunz.  did i not ship you some of their design work?
[09:58] <PingunZ> nowp
[09:58] <PingunZ> How bad is it ? :p
[09:58] <troy_s> here is a taster...
[09:58] <troy_s> lol.  it is some of the best design of late 20th
[10:00] <PingunZ> troy_s, No, I mean .. icons .. or wallpapers .. or dunno
[10:00] <PingunZ> linux art
[10:03] <PingunZ> troy_s, Has he ever made any of those ?
[10:04] <troy_s> that is a team that ended up with that packaging.
[10:04] <troy_s> there is no 'he' in good design teams.
[10:04] <troy_s> although there are often folks at the higher end who get the accolades.
[10:05] <PingunZ> So .. is there any visible linux art online ? :D
[10:06] <msikma> Hello troy_s
[10:06] <msikma> How's Ubuntu art going? I've not paid attention to this channel for quite some t ime
[10:07] <PingunZ> msikma, I was just asking the same thing ;)
[10:07] <msikma> hehe
[10:07] <PingunZ> msikma, Looks like Starbuck is taking over .. don't ask me more :)
[10:07] <msikma> I have worked on some art but very little. And I still need to make the Metacity/widgets theme design into a real, working version.
[10:08] <PingunZ> you should ask troy_s about it .. looks like he knows more
[10:09] <msikma> I really don't have the time to learn all about it, unfortunately; at least not now. It seems like a slightly esoteric system. Maybe I'll post an advertisement so someone can do it for me and be the co-author of the theme.
[10:10] <troy_s> there is bugger all
[10:10] <troy_s> regarding official ubuntu artwork
[10:10] <troy_s> it is all in the hands of cliff
[10:10] <msikma> Cliff?
[10:11] <PingunZ> msikma, He seems to be the _art_ team now ;)
[10:11] <troy_s> he is
[10:11] <kwwii> examples of his work?
[10:11] <troy_s> he is the guy who did that tremendous job on dapper
[10:12] <PingunZ> I keep asking about it ..
[10:12] <troy_s> www.spacejunkdesign.com
[10:12] <PingunZ> What does tremendous mean ? :)
[10:12] <_MMA_> Hi guys. Does Andrew Fitzsimon hang out here? Id like to chat with him about the "Ubuntu-Title" font.
[10:12] <troy_s> yes he does from time to time _MMA_
[10:12] <PingunZ> rofl .. I'm stuck in his flash movie
[10:12] <troy_s> its the last flash
[10:12] <PingunZ> can I get a link to the real homepage ? :)
[10:12] <troy_s> you will need a proprietary system to see it or the beta linux
[10:13] <_MMA_> troy_s: Whats his nick so I can keep an eye out.
[10:13] <PingunZ> I only see his picture
[10:13] <msikma> That site of his looks okay. Not anything great.
[10:13] <troy_s> _mma_ sorry i cant remember, it has his last name in it
[10:13] <msikma> I don't really like this kind of site, though, so I may be biased. I don't find the design thrilling.
[10:13] <troy_s> msikma -- its tripe.
[10:14] <_MMA_> Ok. Thank you.
[10:14] <PingunZ> Can someone like .. link me to a picture of his site .. or send a a screenshot of some of his work ? :D
[10:14] <troy_s> most of it is spec work pingunz
[10:14] <troy_s> of shoes
[10:14] <troy_s> with a little that it looks like a friend of his used.
[10:15] <kwwii> cool stuff
[10:15] <msikma> PingunZ: sure
[10:15] <msikma> just a sec
[10:15] <PingunZ> k thanks
[10:15] <msikma> http://gamingw.net/pubaccess/28695/Picture%204_2.png
[10:16] <PingunZ> Nice ..
[10:16] <PingunZ> But does he have any *linux* art ?
[10:16] <troy_s> that's a good image.
[10:16] <troy_s> pingunz:  it is kind of irrelevant.
[10:17] <msikma> troy_s: I don't do that JPEG rubbish :) just the real thing, 32-bit PNG!
[10:17] <troy_s> chances are, if sab is going to hire someone worth their salt (and I don't mean to hint that 'cliff' is _the_ guy) he will have probably zero linux experience.
[10:17] <msikma> Well, that can be a good thing too. But I sincerely believe that someone with a good amount of experience with the system is a better pick.
[10:18] <troy_s> but until sab accepts that no one 'worth their salt' will put up with micromanaging when it comes to art and design, it will repeat the same cycles.
[10:18] <troy_s> msikma -- certainly pros and cons to both.
[10:18] <troy_s> ultimately, it needs to be a design lead.  not a single solo warrior type.
[10:19] <troy_s> someone who is attentive to contemporary design (outside of gimmicky operating system hell) and a formalized education in design.
[10:19] <PingunZ> look at kw.wii .. he made the suse art .. as a singe art warrior .. and he got promoted to a *herO*
[10:19] <troy_s> hey look at pingunz
[10:19] <troy_s> that image has liebniz in it
[10:19] <PingunZ> rofl
[10:19] <troy_s> lol
[10:20] <kwwii> lol
[10:20] <troy_s> we were talking about it yesterday with his theory of language that operates at the speed of thought / light.
[10:20] <kwwii> I wish
[10:20] <PingunZ> night all
[10:20] <msikma> Oh, troy_s, take a look here: http://www.yomaraugusto.com/ - this is a Brazillian designer who came to work at our studio recently, he's got amazing typography stuff.
[10:20] <troy_s> that's the thing
[10:20] <troy_s> a good lead will know that linework, typography etc, are all different domains.
[10:20] <msikma> He's teaching us calligraphy courses
[10:20] <troy_s> looking now... is it bloody flash?
[10:21] <msikma> Yes, sorry. The site is rubbish, he doesn't know anything about the web. Some friend of his made it.
[10:21] <troy_s> hold on loading a shite 32 bit browser.
[10:21] <troy_s> wow...
[10:21] <troy_s> is it all his?
[10:22] <troy_s> that mixing of sketch with illustration is pretty po mo
[10:22] <troy_s> i like that quite a bit.
[10:22] <msikma> haha, maybe a bit
[10:22] <msikma> Yeah, all of it is his.
[10:23] <msikma> It's really amazing to watch him grab a calligraphy pen and jot down beautiful typefaces as if it's his handwriting
[10:23] <troy_s> his sketchbooks are nice too.
[10:23] <troy_s> i like that styling... that is that really cutting edge organic feel.
[10:23] <troy_s> contemporary organics.
[10:23] <troy_s> quite beautiful really.
[10:24] <troy_s> wow...
[10:24] <troy_s> his illustration is quite amazing.
[10:24] <msikma> I like the brownone sketch book. You can get a good view of his calligraphy stuff from it.
[10:24] <troy_s> msikma -- under image the 'illustration' link
[10:24] <troy_s> very good work
[10:25] <troy_s> gee no shocker
[10:25] <troy_s> masters in fine art
[10:25] <troy_s> from the nederlands.
[10:25] <msikma> from Brazil :)
[10:25] <troy_s> impressive stuff
[10:25] <troy_s> yes but his ma is from the home of rem
[10:25] <msikma> I'm glad you like it.
[10:25] <troy_s> actually, the studio you are grunting in has some pretty talented folks.  the hr department knows what to look for on a resume.
[10:26] <msikma> We don't have a hr department. :P
[10:26] <troy_s> well
[10:26] <troy_s> the head cheeses who are doing the hiring then... how does that sound?
[10:26] <msikma> Including interns, there's 9 of us.
[10:26] <troy_s> they are hiring folks with a good compliment of ability and education assuring that they will be on the edge of contemporary design.
[10:26] <troy_s> so this fellow is one of the 9?
[10:27] <msikma> Yep
[10:27] <troy_s> 'superficy' is quite a nice photo too...
[10:27] <troy_s> latrec black is well done too.
[10:27] <troy_s> sheesh...
[10:28] <msikma> Very inspiring to look at a good portfolio.
[10:28] <troy_s> well it is inspiring to look at work that is innovative
[10:29] <msikma> He told me that Brazilian design is essentially much like German design.
[10:29] <troy_s> emily carr has some very talented students over here.
[10:29] <msikma> Is that where you spent college?
[10:29] <troy_s> no
[10:30] <troy_s> i have a few aquaints who gradded from there.
[10:31] <troy_s> the 'bizz' cover on his page is impressive.
[10:31] <troy_s> i have to say i love yoma's stylings.  right up my alley.
[10:32] <troy_s> wow -- looks like he did a mercado release or was involved.
[10:33] <troy_s> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emily_carr -- that's the artist who's name the school is founded in.
[11:20] <troy_s> bersace -- ltns bro.
[11:20] <bersace> troy_s: hi ! :D
[11:29] <coz_> hello all