| Ubugtu | New bug: #71609 in util-linux (main) "Can't unmount UUID= volume as a user" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/71609 | 12:15 |
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| Ubugtu | New bug: #73399 in Ubuntu "The audio is cut when the HD "itches"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/73399 | 12:16 |
| Ubugtu | New bug: #73400 in Ubuntu "kubuntu show all directorires of "/"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/73400 | 12:16 |
| Ubugtu | New bug: #73401 in sun-java5 (multiverse) "current working directory not set correctly when launching JAR file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/73401 | 12:21 |
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| Ubugtu | New bug: #73403 in firefox (main) "Firefox shutdown while trying to save an .gif image" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/73403 | 12:45 |
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| andresmujica | i cannot access the bug reports... i want to mark #73402, #73404 and #73405 asduplicates, but couldn't access there... pls someone mark those as dups. | 02:32 |
| andresmujica | thanks | 02:33 |
| andresmujica | #74302 | 02:33 |
| crimsun | LP is experiencing technical difficulties atm. | 02:33 |
| andresmujica | hmm , i supposed that.. | 02:34 |
| andresmujica | ok i'll wait for a bit. | 02:34 |
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| sfllaw | Hobbsee: Did you complain to #launchpad about d_jedi? | 04:03 |
| sfllaw | By the time I saw your ping, you were gone. | 04:03 |
| Hobbsee | sfllaw: yep | 04:04 |
| Hobbsee | sfllaw: yes. i do sleep occasionally, sorry :( | 04:04 |
| sfllaw | Same here. | 04:04 |
| sfllaw | :) | 04:04 |
| sfllaw | Thanks! | 04:04 |
| sfllaw | You rock. | 04:04 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 04:05 |
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| TheMuso | c | 04:50 |
| Hobbsee | d | 04:50 |
| Admiral_Chicago | hmm channel is all quite | 04:54 |
| Admiral_Chicago | is LP still down? | 04:54 |
| somerville32 | LP isn't down forme | 04:56 |
| Admiral_Chicago | somerville32: someone said it was "LP is experiencing technical difficulties atm." | 04:58 |
| Admiral_Chicago | so maybe the bot isn't updating the bugs or something | 04:59 |
| somerville32 | Hmm... | 04:59 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 06:45 |
| towsonu2003 | I've got a question, I applied to ubuntu-qa a few weeks ago -how long does it get to get approval or denial? | 06:51 |
| dholbach | towsonu2003: did you ask simon about it? he does the approval normally | 06:52 |
| dholbach | (sfllaw that is) | 06:52 |
| dholbach | towsonu2003: but I saw you worked on a huge load of bugs already, I'm going to approve you now | 06:52 |
| towsonu2003 | dholbach, oh okay thanks :) | 06:53 |
| towsonu2003 | dholbach, is there a documentation page specific to ubuntu-qa I should read? (sorry to bother you again) | 06:57 |
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| dholbach | towsonu2003: we should have one | 07:04 |
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| towsonu2003 | dholbach, I couldn't find one. I'll google a bit more then ,thanks :) | 07:06 |
| Admiral_Chicago | when is Ubugtu going to start udating from LP | 07:08 |
| dholbach | towsonu2003: ok, I didn't find anything | 07:08 |
| dholbach | towsonu2003: I'm going to add a blurb on the BugSquad page and one describing the bug statuses | 07:09 |
| towsonu2003 | dholbach, thanks a lot :) | 07:09 |
| towsonu2003 | dholbach, oh almost forgot, could you add a couple of notes on bug importance and when to change it? thanks again | 07:10 |
| dholbach | towsonu2003: your wish is my command | 07:11 |
| towsonu2003 | dholbach, lol | 07:12 |
| dholbach | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance | 07:16 |
| dholbach | added it to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage | 07:19 |
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| towsonu2003 | thanks a lot, I really appreciate it :) | 07:23 |
| dholbach | thanks for notifying me | 07:23 |
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| dholbach | added the blurbs about ubuntu-qa too | 07:24 |
| dholbach | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance | 07:24 |
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| towsonu2003 | great | 07:24 |
| dholbach | super | 07:24 |
| towsonu2003 | I'll start reading once I'm done watching Star Trek | 07:24 |
| dholbach | hehe | 07:24 |
| dholbach | enjoy it | 07:24 |
| towsonu2003 | :p | 07:24 |
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| palski | Shouldn't this be "fix committed"? Bug #68074 | 09:41 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 68074 in curl "Seg fault when connecting" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/68074 | 09:41 |
| palski | the fix is already in CVS | 09:43 |
| somerville32 | Depends if the package is upstream or not | 09:45 |
| palski | bug was in upstream and fix has committed to upstream cvs | 09:46 |
| somerville32 | Hmm | 09:48 |
| palski | "Fix Committed: A fix has been included in the code, but this code is not necessarily available in a released version" | 09:50 |
| somerville32 | One second | 09:51 |
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| crimsun | palski: it can be, yes | 10:15 |
| somerville32 | I affected it upstream | 10:16 |
| somerville32 | crimsun: The local source package can stay at confirmed until we do an sru? | 10:17 |
| crimsun | that'll be fine | 10:17 |
| palski | if it is fixed in feisty, wouldn't that be "fix released"? | 10:17 |
| palski | and a new bug report should be done for sru request? | 10:18 |
| somerville32 | Yeah, thats probably right. | 10:19 |
| crimsun | yes, and yes | 10:21 |
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| somerville32 | Crimsun: Will you do the sru? | 10:24 |
| crimsun | somerville32: I don't have time atm. | 10:24 |
| somerville32 | k | 10:24 |
| crimsun | are you familiar w/ the process? I don't mind walking you through it. | 10:25 |
| crimsun | more people should become familiar w/ it, really. | 10:25 |
| somerville32 | Well, I'm in Windows right now (simply because I was too lazy to reboot after the last person who was on) | 10:27 |
| somerville32 | And I doubt it would go well using the live cd | 10:28 |
| somerville32 | I suppose I could move downstairs to my lab | 10:28 |
| crimsun | you need access to a Terminal [of choice] and some standard packaging tools (devscripts, etc.) | 10:29 |
| crimsun | it doesn't require much more | 10:29 |
| somerville32 | Alrighty | 10:30 |
| somerville32 | I'll be right back | 10:30 |
| palski | you really need devscripts for filling up sru? | 10:30 |
| crimsun | no, but it's quite convenient | 10:31 |
| crimsun | e.g., devscripts: /usr/bin/debdiff | 10:31 |
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| somerville32 | :] | 10:31 |
| somerville32 | Alrighty, brb | 10:32 |
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| somerville32 | Crimsun: Alrighty. | 10:39 |
| crimsun | somerville32: ok, got a terminal or two open? | 10:40 |
| somerville32 | Yup :) | 10:40 |
| crimsun | ok, first thing is to grab the edgy source package [wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/curl/curl_7.15.4-1ubuntu2.dsc http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/curl/curl_7.15.4.orig.tar.gz http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/curl/curl_7.15.4-1ubuntu2.diff.gz ] | 10:41 |
| somerville32 | Alrighty. :) | 10:42 |
| crimsun | next thing is to isolate the patch from upstream cvs that fixes the issue and to download it | 10:42 |
| somerville32 | Got it | 10:44 |
| crimsun | [I presume it's http://librarian.launchpad.net/5179200/multi_expire.diff ?] | 10:44 |
| === somerville32 nods. | ||
| crimsun | ok, next thing is to extract the source package [dpkg-source -x curl_7.15.4-1ubuntu2.dsc ] | 10:45 |
| crimsun | then, cwd into the root of the extracted source | 10:45 |
| somerville32 | k | 10:46 |
| crimsun | at this point, it's a good idea to check if the Debianised source package uses a patch management system | 10:46 |
| crimsun | e.g., inspect debian/{control,rules} and look for the existence of debian/patches/ | 10:47 |
| crimsun | specifically: | 10:47 |
| crimsun | in debian/control, look at the Build-Depends line, and see if it uses cdbs, quilt, dpatch, etc. | 10:47 |
| crimsun | in debian/rules, look for *patch* target(s) | 10:48 |
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| crimsun | and finally, if debian/patches/ exists, it's nearly always a dead giveaway that some sort of patch management system is used | 10:48 |
| === somerville32 nods | ||
| crimsun | [in this case of curl, there's none used, so you'll patch the Debianised source directly. Normally if a patch management system is used, you'll generate the patch targeted for the specific system ] | 10:49 |
| crimsun | now you need to patch the Debianised source, but you'll find there's one reject | 10:51 |
| crimsun | [patch -p1 --dry-run <../multi_expire.diff ] | 10:51 |
| crimsun | [it's always sane to test using --dry-run ] | 10:51 |
| === somerville32 nods. | ||
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| crimsun | at this point, you'll manually inspect the reject and hand-apply the necessary fix | 10:53 |
| somerville32 | Is it possible to see where the rejection is occurring? | 10:54 |
| crimsun | yep, look at lib/multi.c.rej | 10:55 |
| crimsun | in another window, it helps to open lib/multi.c | 10:55 |
| somerville32 | It didn't actually write it | 10:55 |
| crimsun | oh, right. apply it (no --dry-run) | 10:55 |
| somerville32 | k | 10:56 |
| crimsun | once you inspect the lib/multi.c alongside lib/multi.c.rej , you'll see that the actual one-liner (the comments notwithstanding) needs to be applied 12 lines above | 10:57 |
| crimsun | then you'll hand-insert that line into lib/multi.c | 10:58 |
| crimsun | [clear so far? ] | 11:01 |
| somerville32 | Hmm... | 11:01 |
| somerville32 | Yeah but I'm having a hard time matching up the reject to the new code | 11:01 |
| crimsun | right, you have to scroll up 12 lines from the original target | 11:02 |
| somerville32 | I did | 11:02 |
| crimsun | ok, do you see the if(easy) { | 11:02 |
| crimsun | /* If the 'state' ... | 11:02 |
| somerville32 | Yup | 11:03 |
| somerville32 | Oh! | 11:03 |
| crimsun | yeah, fortunately this one was straightforward | 11:03 |
| crimsun | it can be a real PitA | 11:03 |
| somerville32 | Do you see line 19 in the rej file? | 11:04 |
| somerville32 | Like, 18-21 | 11:04 |
| somerville32 | Where is that stuff? | 11:04 |
| crimsun | yep. Those aren't in lib/multi.c , because that was added in .5 | 11:04 |
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| crimsun | (welcome to the joy of backporting fixes) | 11:05 |
| crimsun | note, however, that semantically the context is nearly identical in the old one [to which you're applying the fix ] | 11:05 |
| crimsun | the difference is an additional if(easy->easy_handle == ... ) | 11:06 |
| somerville32 | Maybe I'm still confused | 11:06 |
| somerville32 | I thought I had to add the parts with the the plus signs in front | 11:07 |
| somerville32 | haha | 11:07 |
| crimsun | yes, you do | 11:07 |
| crimsun | that's the portion that failed to apply | 11:07 |
| crimsun | the significant portion that failed to apply is just one line: Curl_expire(easy->easy_handle, 0); | 11:08 |
| somerville32 | Ok, thats what I thought | 11:08 |
| crimsun | so, noting the context prior and following that failed portion, you can see where to apply it | 11:08 |
| somerville32 | But I don't see the other parts in that new file | 11:08 |
| crimsun | which other parts? | 11:08 |
| crimsun | (I only have one reject) | 11:08 |
| somerville32 | Ok, in the rej file | 11:09 |
| somerville32 | Line 6 | 11:09 |
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| crimsun | right, it's not in edgy's curl source because that was added for feisty's | 11:09 |
| somerville32 | So... | 11:10 |
| crimsun | (that's why it failed to apply) | 11:10 |
| somerville32 | I only have to add Curl_expire(easy->easy_handle, 0); under nice to put the easy_handle in a good known state when this returns. */ | 11:10 |
| crimsun | right | 11:10 |
| somerville32 | haha | 11:10 |
| somerville32 | Ok | 11:10 |
| somerville32 | I understand now | 11:10 |
| somerville32 | You should have told me why it failed and I would have gotten it, haha | 11:11 |
| somerville32 | <g | 11:11 |
| crimsun | I did 7 minutes ago ;) | 11:11 |
| somerville32 | You'll have to forgive me | 11:11 |
| crimsun | no prob | 11:11 |
| somerville32 | It is 6:13am here | 11:11 |
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| crimsun | 5:12a here | 11:12 |
| somerville32 | Alrighty. manually patched | 11:12 |
| crimsun | ok, next, clean up the source tree by removing *.orig and *.rej | 11:12 |
| crimsun | [find -name '*.orig' |xargs rm && find -name '*.rej' |xargs rm ] | 11:13 |
| somerville32 | k | 11:13 |
| crimsun | now you're ready to generate a changelog entry | 11:14 |
| somerville32 | :] | 11:14 |
| crimsun | [dch -v7.15.4-1ubuntu2.1 -Dedgy-proposed ] | 11:15 |
| crimsun | (fill in the appropriate info) | 11:16 |
| somerville32 | dch isn't installed | 11:16 |
| somerville32 | What package do I need? | 11:16 |
| crimsun | devscripts :) | 11:16 |
| somerville32 | :] | 11:16 |
| crimsun | [oh, emacs has tools for this, but I'm not familiar with that mode. If you're an emacs fan, you'll want to ask someone who uses emacs. ] | 11:18 |
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| somerville32 | What should I say in the changelog? | 11:19 |
| crimsun | the format for a -proposed entry generally references files that were changed and why | 11:20 |
| somerville32 | Example? | 11:20 |
| somerville32 | * curl/lib/multi.c patched to fix bug #68074 ? | 11:22 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 68074 in curl "Seg fault when connecting" [Unknown,Unknown] http://launchpad.net/bugs/68074 | 11:22 |
| crimsun | e.g., http://pastebin.ca/259304 | 11:23 |
| somerville32 | Do I need a @ubuntu.com e-mail address? I read somewhere that I did. | 11:24 |
| crimsun | it's not strictly necessary | 11:24 |
| crimsun | since you aren't a dev yet, you should get a core-dev to ACK the debdiff | 11:25 |
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| crimsun | (you'll generate the debdiff next) | 11:26 |
| somerville32 | parsechangelog/debian: error: unrecognised line, at changelog line 4 | 11:26 |
| somerville32 | dch: fatal error at line 983: | 11:26 |
| somerville32 | Problem executing dpkg-parsechangelog: | 11:26 |
| crimsun | make sure your syntax is correct | 11:26 |
| crimsun | note that in the pastebin, lines 5-6 are actually one line | 11:26 |
| somerville32 | Ok, I fixed it | 11:27 |
| somerville32 | Should I run the script again or something? | 11:27 |
| crimsun | which script are you referring to? | 11:27 |
| crimsun | (you need the changelog entry) | 11:27 |
| somerville32 | dch | 11:27 |
| crimsun | you only need to run it to add the entry | 11:27 |
| somerville32 | Alrighty. | 11:28 |
| somerville32 | Whats next? | 11:28 |
| crimsun | since it failed, yes, you'll need to make sure the entry is there | 11:28 |
| somerville32 | in debian/changelog | 11:28 |
| somerville32 | ? | 11:28 |
| crimsun | yes, at the top | 11:28 |
| somerville32 | It is there | 11:28 |
| somerville32 | I manually edited it to fix the line break on line 4 | 11:28 |
| crimsun | excellent. Now you have to make sure you file a bug report that will be referenced, as the SRU, in the changelog | 11:29 |
| crimsun | if you wish, you can use 68074 for that | 11:29 |
| somerville32 | So I don't need to file a second bug? | 11:29 |
| crimsun | not necessarily, though it helps for clarity | 11:30 |
| crimsun | SRU policy is outlined at [https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates ] | 11:30 |
| crimsun | ok, now that you have the appropriate fix applied and the changelog entry, you need to generate a debdiff to attach to #68074 (or whichever new bug report you open, if you choose) | 11:32 |
| somerville32 | Well, I'll open a new bug report since I said I said Daniel wouldn't get anymore e-mails, haha | 11:32 |
| crimsun | ok, just make sure you edit debian/changelog before you generate the debdiff | 11:33 |
| somerville32 | Can I put the SRU bug number on it's own "asterisk"? | 11:34 |
| crimsun | if you wish to, yes. I normally reference all the Ubuntu bug #s together by topic | 11:34 |
| crimsun | (so I'd place them together) | 11:35 |
| crimsun | fault (Closes Ubuntu: #68074, _and whatever SRU bug #_). | 11:35 |
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| crimsun | (note that you'd attach the debdiff to this new bug that you're filing) | 11:39 |
| crimsun | ok, since I have to scoot in a bit, I'm going to outline what else you need to do | 11:39 |
| crimsun | 1) adjust debian/changelog | 11:39 |
| crimsun | 2) generate a debdiff | 11:40 |
| somerville32 | How else do I have to modify debian/changelog? | 11:40 |
| crimsun | 3) add the relevant info, including the debdiff and diffstat info, to the new bug | 11:40 |
| crimsun | debian/changelog needs to reference the SRU bug # | 11:40 |
| crimsun | (you'll see that when you reread https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates ) | 11:40 |
| crimsun | now, generating a debdiff is quite straightforward. While in the root of the extracted source, you issue a ``debuild -S'' | 11:42 |
| crimsun | that command generates several files in the parent directory, curl_7.15.4-1ubuntu2.1.diff.gz , curl_7.15.4-1ubuntu2.1.dsc , curl_7.15.4-1ubuntu2.1_source.build , curl_7.15.4-1ubuntu2.1_source.changes | 11:43 |
| crimsun | you should cwd to that parent directory to generate a debdiff (the previous step just generated a Debianised source package) | 11:44 |
| crimsun | debdiff accepts several different files; I use the dscs | 11:44 |
| crimsun | ``debdiff curl_7.15.4-1ubuntu2.dsc curl_7.15.4-1ubuntu2.1.dsc >curl_7.15.4-1ubuntu2.1.debdiff'' | 11:44 |
| crimsun | and that's the debdiff that is applicable to the original edgy source package | 11:45 |
| crimsun | you'd attach that to the new bug report | 11:46 |
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| crimsun | I also find it useful to include diffstat output, so whichever archive admin is reading the SRU can get a quick overview of the invasiveness of the patch | 11:46 |
| crimsun | (diffstat is in the diffstat package) | 11:47 |
| crimsun | diffstat curl_7.15.4-1ubuntu2.1.debdiff | 11:47 |
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| crimsun | afterward, you'd attach all that info to the new bug report, following step #1 (Propose) of the SRU process | 11:48 |
| crimsun | always build and test your debdiff before subscribing the ubuntu-sru team | 11:49 |
| crimsun | (I need to return to work) | 11:50 |
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| somerville32 | Gah | 12:05 |
| somerville32 | It isn't working | 12:05 |
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| fernando | moin all | 12:13 |
| somerville32 | Hi | 12:15 |
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| fernando | seb128: hi, not is gnome-vfs2 2.16.1-0ubuntu2 the latest stable? | 12:33 |
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| seb128 | fernando: stable = upstream stable or Ubuntu stable? | 12:33 |
| fernando | seb128: ubuntu stable | 12:34 |
| fernando | apt-cache show libgnomevfs2-0 | grep -i version | 12:34 |
| fernando | Version: 2.16.1-0ubuntu2 | 12:34 |
| seb128 | there is a 2.16 | 12:34 |
| fernando | seb128: you have pached the 2.16.1-0ubuntu3 | 12:34 |
| seb128 | .2.16.1-0ubuntu3 to edgy-proposed which fix the 100% CPU bug | 12:34 |
| fernando | s/pached/patched/ | 12:34 |
| fernando | seb128: ah, ok | 12:34 |
| fernando | seb128: thanks | 12:34 |
| seb128 | np | 12:36 |
| seb128 | does that answer your question? | 12:36 |
| seb128 | you are looking for that update? | 12:36 |
| seb128 | it's to "edgy-proposed", which is not part of the default sources.list | 12:36 |
| fernando | seaLne: thanks | 12:39 |
| fernando | seb128: thanks | 12:39 |
| seb128 | np | 12:39 |
| somerville32 | Woot. | 12:47 |
| somerville32 | Got it to work | 12:47 |
| somerville32 | Alrightys, times for bed | 12:47 |
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| === Topic for #ubuntu-bugs: Ubuntu BugSquad | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | Documentation: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | If you have been triaging bugs for a while, please apply to https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-qa/ - http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad | ||
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| bddebian | Boo | 03:54 |
| pirast | bddebian, boooooohooooooo! | 04:09 |
| bddebian | Hehe. Hello pirast | 04:09 |
| pirast | hi ;-) | 04:10 |
| Hobbsee | hey pirast | 04:11 |
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| dholbach | sfllaw: it'd be good to announce the next hug day in your open week session | 05:39 |
| sfllaw | Yes, I think so. | 05:40 |
| sfllaw | I should probably get fridge-devel to put it up. | 05:40 |
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| jonh_wendell | seb128: where is this bug nowadays: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/2055 ?? | 05:45 |
| joumetal | jonh_wendell Sebastian is busy now at #ubuntu-classroom. What was this bug about? | 05:48 |
| jonh_wendell | joumetal: it's a outdated bug... i'd want just a confirmation from sebastien | 05:48 |
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| seb128 | jonh_wendell: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=NUMBER | 05:49 |
| seb128 | http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2055 | 05:49 |
| seb128 | for that one | 05:49 |
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| jonh_wendell | seb128: thanks | 05:51 |
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| seb128 | jonh_wendell: np | 05:54 |
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| seb128 | jonh_wendell: closing old bugs like that on bugzilla is not the way to go | 06:19 |
| seb128 | jonh_wendell: I don't really care about that vino bug, but it's likely some bugsquad guy will remove your rights if you keep doing that | 06:19 |
| seb128 | jonh_wendell: you can't close a bug because it has been reported with an old version, but don't get automagically fixed with new versions | 06:20 |
| seb128 | jonh_wendell: you usually ask the submitter if it still gets the issue before closing something | 06:20 |
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| jonh_wendell | seb128: the submitter is you; i've looked the LP bug report and it was rejected in Ubuntu | 06:21 |
| seb128 | jonh_wendell: don't use the stock reply but say that to the comment in such case then :) | 06:22 |
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| jonh_wendell | seb128: should i reopen that vino bug? | 06:40 |
| seb128 | jonh_wendell: no that's fine, nobody has got it for a long time apparently | 06:40 |
| seb128 | jonh_wendell: I would just have closed it with a comment saying that the Ubuntu bug is closed and it seems to not happen with the new version | 06:40 |
| jonh_wendell | seb128: sure, thanks for the tip | 06:41 |
| seb128 | saying "you used an old version, I'm closing your bug" just doesn't apply for people using GNOME 2.10 | 06:41 |
| seb128 | 80% of the GNOME 2.10 bugs are still valid on GNOME 2.16 probably | 06:41 |
| seb128 | np! | 06:41 |
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| Adri2000 | Ubugtu dead? | 11:16 |
| Admiral_Chicago | Adri2000: i think so, Lp was having problems according to crimsun | 11:22 |
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| Le-Chuck_IT1 | hi all | 11:33 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | I have a question about bug fixing in ubuntu in general | 11:33 |
| Burgwork | shoot | 11:33 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | I see that edgy has been released quite in time | 11:34 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | but with some bugs affecting various packages | 11:34 |
| Admiral_Chicago | yes | 11:34 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | and I can show evidences that these bugs are really a showstopper for many people | 11:34 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | and | 11:34 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | can I expect that they'll ever be fixed in edgy, not in feisty | 11:35 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | and if not | 11:35 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | isn't this gonna repeat in feisty? | 11:35 |
| Admiral_Chicago | Le-Chuck_IT1: what kind of bugs | 11:35 |
| Admiral_Chicago | further, do you have bug reports that we can inspect | 11:35 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | e.g. beagle (which is in universe) breaking yelp once installed | 11:35 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | lyx | 11:35 |
| mc44 | Le-Chuck_IT1: yes, there will always be bugs in released distros that will not be fixed as fixing them may break more things | 11:35 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | which in edgy is completely broken | 11:36 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | and the italian locales for synaptic | 11:36 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | that have been breaking italian update-manager since a month ago | 11:36 |
| mc44 | Le-Chuck_IT1: well they will likely be fixed if they prevent upgrading | 11:37 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | well I am a bit worried by the last one | 11:37 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | seems like the simple fix of removing a ' character | 11:37 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | has been put apart in favour of most serious fixes | 11:38 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | but | 11:38 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | what does it take to change a string | 11:38 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | and update the fix immediately | 11:38 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | expecially because it's a "stable update" that is breaking things | 11:38 |
| mc44 | Le-Chuck_IT1: is there a bug filed for this? | 11:38 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | I can point out https://launchpad.net/distros/debian/+source/beagle/+bug/67778 for the first one I mentioned | 11:39 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 67778 in beagle "Search don't work with beagle" [Unknown,Fix released] | 11:39 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | now | 11:39 |
| mc44 | Le-Chuck_IT1: I mean the locale problem | 11:39 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | yes I know :) | 11:39 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | just pasting the other one | 11:40 |
| mc44 | :) | 11:40 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | yes there is a well know open bug | 11:40 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | even if perhaps I am not subscribed to that since I'm not finding it | 11:40 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | I don't know | 11:41 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | is asking a backport the right way to proceed? | 11:41 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | instead of an SRU which is more complicated, I mean | 11:41 |
| mc44 | its depends on the problem, if it is a language pack causing it, then it is adifferent matter | 11:42 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | yes | 11:43 |
| mc44 | Le-Chuck_IT1: https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/70959 ? | 11:43 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | but consider beagle | 11:43 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 70959 in update-manager "update-manager doesn't install updates when Italian locale is on" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 11:43 |
| mc44 | Le-Chuck_IT1: beagle is non critical and unlikely to be updated with an SRU | 11:43 |
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| Le-Chuck_IT1 | here it is! https://launchpad.net/products/update-manager/+bug/51419 | 11:45 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 51419 in gksu ""Install updates"-button only refreshes update list in it_IT environement" [High,Confirmed] | 11:45 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | and of course 70959 is a duplicate of this one | 11:45 |
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| Le-Chuck_IT1 | I see beagle is non critical :) The point is | 11:46 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | if software is non critical why not quick fix it expecially when it breaks more important programs? | 11:46 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | not to be polemic | 11:46 |
| mc44 | Le-Chuck_IT1: becasue it may well break many other things that are working fine | 11:47 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | I am just trying to figure out best practices | 11:47 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | yes but it's not the case for that bug: the bug is in a cron script, the cron script is wrong, it's breaking yelp | 11:47 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | ok I surrender :) | 11:47 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | I already went for a backport and it looks like it will be done | 11:48 |
| mc44 | Le-Chuck_IT1: yay :) | 11:48 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | ok but now: I should consider backports sort of "ubuntu quickfixed" | 11:48 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | but it's not really so | 11:49 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | because it's "ubuntu quickfixed with newer versions" | 11:49 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | and I am still disappointed with the fact that broken workflow in the stable release will remain broken for months even when the fix is known | 11:50 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | I mean | 11:50 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | if I had a software company with many users | 11:50 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | I would release some fix sometime | 11:50 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | for bugs, crashes | 11:50 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | not only for security | 11:50 |
| mc44 | Le-Chuck_IT1: its a consequence of 6 month release cycle | 11:50 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | I understand | 11:50 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | it's not gentoo | 11:51 |
| mc44 | and limited resources | 11:51 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | but I see novell releases fixes and does not break things (except for their ugly package manager) | 11:51 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | maybe it's a matter that they have much more resources | 11:51 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | the point is: I am experimenting with living like ubuntu is MY software | 11:52 |
| mc44 | I think mostly it is much stricter since we broke peoples X SERVERS with an upate to dapper stable | 11:52 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | well again this confirms that "non critical" software could be easily quick-fixed while critical software should not be touched | 11:53 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | another problem being that I find bugs in the sofware I use every day | 11:54 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | so I must choose either to use the development version or not to contribute at all | 11:54 |
| mc44 | you can still report bugs in stable versions | 11:55 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | I did this intensively and many times I found that bugs where already reported and fixed in upstream, feisty or debian testing | 11:55 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | that's a dog eating its tail :) | 11:56 |
| mc44 | see, isnt free software great :) all your bugs are fixed! | 11:56 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | Don't want to bore anyone with this chat, however it is important for me to understand what's the ubuntu mood about these issues :) | 11:56 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | yes but I won't benefit of the fixes until feisty which will have other bugs that will not be fixed | 11:56 |
| mc44 | Le-Chuck_IT1: ah but new and exciting bugs | 11:57 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | I left dapper for the huge number of bugs that where there and in edgy | 11:57 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | I had to resist a lot to the temptation | 11:57 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | because I really like ubuntu | 11:57 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | however | 11:57 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | not to repeat myself | 11:57 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | perhaps backporting is the right thing to do | 11:57 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | do you think so mc44? | 11:58 |
| sfllaw | In many cases, backporting is the right thing. | 11:58 |
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| sfllaw | Although we are doing stable updates for software that has a simple patch to fix bugs. | 11:58 |
| sfllaw | For instance, you can search the verification-needed tag, which shows packages that I'm aggressively testing. | 11:58 |
| sfllaw | Those will end up in dapper-updates or edgy-updates. | 11:58 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | I think I should try again to push the beagle cron script and lyx | 11:59 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | s/think/feel like/ | 11:59 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | lyx is completely useless in its current form | 12:00 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | the dapper version was better | 12:00 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | "Users of the official release, in contrast, expect a high degree of stability." this is what I think too | 12:00 |
| sfllaw | Your best bet is to find someone on IRC or via e-mail. | 12:00 |
| sfllaw | Discuss what the best minimal patch is to resolve the issue. | 12:01 |
| sfllaw | You can't really add features, but you can unbreak things. | 12:01 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | and lyx is definitely not respecting this philosophy | 12:01 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | sfllaw: the problem with lyx was gcc 4.1 | 12:01 |
| sfllaw | Is it a compilation problem? | 12:01 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | no, it's "lots of crashes" :) that version of lyx should never have reached a stable release of ubuntu | 12:01 |
| sfllaw | Ah. I doubt you could convince anyone to go back a version. | 12:02 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | it was a "keep version 1.3 or wait for the next release" | 12:02 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | feisty release works well and I am ready to bet money it won't break any other pacakge | 12:02 |
| sfllaw | That one is a backport, I think. | 12:02 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | ok, I see. I had it approved for backport today. | 12:03 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | but | 12:03 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | I talk with new ubuntu users almost every week here | 12:03 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | in italy | 12:03 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | and | 12:03 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | they're all disappointed with the high number of bugs they encounter | 12:04 |
| sfllaw | Edgy is a not so polished release, as we put in a number of new things in a short amount of time. | 12:04 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | e.g. that damn evince not remembering double-sided printing, that update issue and evolution autocontacts broken again :( | 12:04 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | dapper was much worse! | 12:05 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | don't misunderstand me | 12:05 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | I really like edgy | 12:05 |
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