[12:15] New bug: #71609 in util-linux (main) "Can't unmount UUID= volume as a user" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/71609 [12:16] New bug: #73399 in Ubuntu "The audio is cut when the HD "itches"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/73399 [12:16] New bug: #73400 in Ubuntu "kubuntu show all directorires of "/"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/73400 [12:21] New bug: #73401 in sun-java5 (multiverse) "current working directory not set correctly when launching JAR file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/73401 === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [12:45] New bug: #73403 in firefox (main) "Firefox shutdown while trying to save an .gif image" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/73403 === merlin-linux [n=quail@unaffiliated/quaillinux/x-000001] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === poningru [n=poningru@ip72-209-68-178.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === theCore [n=alex@modemcable111.199-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === PriceChild [n=pricechi@unix0.york.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === Admiral_Chicago [n=freddy@st074039212101.monm.edu] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === geser [n=michael@dialin104033.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === poningru [n=poningru@ip72-209-68-178.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === andresmujica [n=AndresMu@201.245.232.137] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [02:32] i cannot access the bug reports... i want to mark #73402, #73404 and #73405 asduplicates, but couldn't access there... pls someone mark those as dups. [02:33] thanks [02:33] #74302 [02:33] LP is experiencing technical difficulties atm. [02:34] hmm , i supposed that.. [02:34] ok i'll wait for a bit. === kaiki [n=kaiki@pool-72-83-127-19.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === markstos [n=mark@101-089.wireless.parallax.ws] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === PriceChild [n=pricechi@unix0.york.ac.uk] has left #ubuntu-bugs ["Leaving"] === motin_ [n=motin@c80-217-109-98.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === jhnjwng [n=wj1918@pool-141-150-92-7.nwrk.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === Cas [n=cas@218.17.234.95] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === yuriy [n=yuriy@dhcp-129-64-153-72.dorm.brandeis.edu] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === Cas [n=cas@218.17.234.95] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [04:03] Hobbsee: Did you complain to #launchpad about d_jedi? [04:03] By the time I saw your ping, you were gone. [04:04] sfllaw: yep [04:04] sfllaw: yes. i do sleep occasionally, sorry :( [04:04] Same here. [04:04] :) [04:04] Thanks! [04:04] You rock. [04:05] :) === somerville32 [i=somervil@fctnnbsc15w-156034084072.nb.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === predius_ [n=predius@201.230.127.236] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === Cas_ [n=cas@218.17.234.95] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [04:50] c [04:50] d [04:54] hmm channel is all quite [04:54] is LP still down? [04:56] LP isn't down forme [04:58] somerville32: someone said it was "LP is experiencing technical difficulties atm." [04:59] so maybe the bot isn't updating the bugs or something [04:59] Hmm... === theCore is now known as theCore_ === theCore_ [n=alex@modemcable111.199-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === towsonu2003 [n=towsonu2@c-69-251-20-244.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === Cas_ [n=cas@218.17.234.95] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === Cas_ is now known as Cas === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B04D1.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [06:45] good morning [06:51] I've got a question, I applied to ubuntu-qa a few weeks ago -how long does it get to get approval or denial? [06:52] towsonu2003: did you ask simon about it? he does the approval normally [06:52] (sfllaw that is) [06:52] towsonu2003: but I saw you worked on a huge load of bugs already, I'm going to approve you now [06:53] dholbach, oh okay thanks :) [06:57] dholbach, is there a documentation page specific to ubuntu-qa I should read? (sorry to bother you again) === Admiral_Chicago [n=freddy@74.39.212.101] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === Cas_ [n=cas@218.17.234.95] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [07:04] towsonu2003: we should have one === Cas_ is now known as Cas [07:06] dholbach, I couldn't find one. I'll google a bit more then ,thanks :) [07:08] when is Ubugtu going to start udating from LP [07:08] towsonu2003: ok, I didn't find anything [07:09] towsonu2003: I'm going to add a blurb on the BugSquad page and one describing the bug statuses [07:09] dholbach, thanks a lot :) [07:10] dholbach, oh almost forgot, could you add a couple of notes on bug importance and when to change it? thanks again [07:11] towsonu2003: your wish is my command [07:12] dholbach, lol [07:16] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance [07:19] added it to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [07:23] thanks a lot, I really appreciate it :) [07:23] thanks for notifying me === dholbach hugs towsonu2003 [07:24] added the blurbs about ubuntu-qa too [07:24] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance === towsonu2003 hugs back dholbach [07:24] great [07:24] super [07:24] I'll start reading once I'm done watching Star Trek [07:24] hehe [07:24] enjoy it [07:24] :p === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === mvo [n=egon@p54A66898.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === stgraber [i=stgraber@server.lan.stgraber.org] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === guglielf [n=flp@ppp-227-65.21-151.libero.it] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === lloydinho_ [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === rpedro [n=rpedro@87-196-74-110.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === guglielf [n=flp@ppp-227-65.21-151.libero.it] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === Smiffeh [n=matt@80.168.87.120] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === calavera [n=calavera@195.Red-80-26-32.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [09:41] Shouldn't this be "fix committed"? Bug #68074 [09:41] Malone bug 68074 in curl "Seg fault when connecting" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/68074 [09:43] the fix is already in CVS [09:45] Depends if the package is upstream or not [09:46] bug was in upstream and fix has committed to upstream cvs [09:48] Hmm [09:50] "Fix Committed: A fix has been included in the code, but this code is not necessarily available in a released version" [09:51] One second === FliesLikeABrick [n=Ryan@about/rpi/rawdor] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === Cas_ [n=cas@218.18.48.212] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [10:15] palski: it can be, yes [10:16] I affected it upstream [10:17] crimsun: The local source package can stay at confirmed until we do an sru? [10:17] that'll be fine [10:17] if it is fixed in feisty, wouldn't that be "fix released"? [10:18] and a new bug report should be done for sru request? [10:19] Yeah, thats probably right. [10:21] yes, and yes === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [10:24] Crimsun: Will you do the sru? [10:24] somerville32: I don't have time atm. [10:24] k [10:25] are you familiar w/ the process? I don't mind walking you through it. [10:25] more people should become familiar w/ it, really. [10:27] Well, I'm in Windows right now (simply because I was too lazy to reboot after the last person who was on) [10:28] And I doubt it would go well using the live cd [10:28] I suppose I could move downstairs to my lab [10:29] you need access to a Terminal [of choice] and some standard packaging tools (devscripts, etc.) [10:29] it doesn't require much more [10:30] Alrighty [10:30] I'll be right back [10:30] you really need devscripts for filling up sru? [10:31] no, but it's quite convenient [10:31] e.g., devscripts: /usr/bin/debdiff === ssam [n=ssam@88-107-44-18.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [10:31] :] [10:32] Alrighty, brb === merlin-linux [n=quail@unaffiliated/quaillinux/x-000001] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === quail [n=quail@unaffiliated/quaillinux/x-000001] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === somerville32 [n=somervil@fctnnbsc15w-156034079057.nb.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [10:39] Crimsun: Alrighty. [10:40] somerville32: ok, got a terminal or two open? [10:40] Yup :) [10:41] ok, first thing is to grab the edgy source package [wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/curl/curl_7.15.4-1ubuntu2.dsc http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/curl/curl_7.15.4.orig.tar.gz http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/curl/curl_7.15.4-1ubuntu2.diff.gz ] [10:42] Alrighty. :) [10:42] next thing is to isolate the patch from upstream cvs that fixes the issue and to download it [10:44] Got it [10:44] [I presume it's http://librarian.launchpad.net/5179200/multi_expire.diff ?] === somerville32 nods. [10:45] ok, next thing is to extract the source package [dpkg-source -x curl_7.15.4-1ubuntu2.dsc ] [10:45] then, cwd into the root of the extracted source [10:46] k [10:46] at this point, it's a good idea to check if the Debianised source package uses a patch management system [10:47] e.g., inspect debian/{control,rules} and look for the existence of debian/patches/ [10:47] specifically: [10:47] in debian/control, look at the Build-Depends line, and see if it uses cdbs, quilt, dpatch, etc. [10:48] in debian/rules, look for *patch* target(s) === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [10:48] and finally, if debian/patches/ exists, it's nearly always a dead giveaway that some sort of patch management system is used === somerville32 nods [10:49] [in this case of curl, there's none used, so you'll patch the Debianised source directly. Normally if a patch management system is used, you'll generate the patch targeted for the specific system ] [10:51] now you need to patch the Debianised source, but you'll find there's one reject [10:51] [patch -p1 --dry-run <../multi_expire.diff ] [10:51] [it's always sane to test using --dry-run ] === somerville32 nods. === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [10:53] at this point, you'll manually inspect the reject and hand-apply the necessary fix [10:54] Is it possible to see where the rejection is occurring? [10:55] yep, look at lib/multi.c.rej [10:55] in another window, it helps to open lib/multi.c [10:55] It didn't actually write it [10:55] oh, right. apply it (no --dry-run) [10:56] k [10:57] once you inspect the lib/multi.c alongside lib/multi.c.rej , you'll see that the actual one-liner (the comments notwithstanding) needs to be applied 12 lines above [10:58] then you'll hand-insert that line into lib/multi.c [11:01] [clear so far? ] [11:01] Hmm... [11:01] Yeah but I'm having a hard time matching up the reject to the new code [11:02] right, you have to scroll up 12 lines from the original target [11:02] I did [11:02] ok, do you see the if(easy) { [11:02] /* If the 'state' ... [11:03] Yup [11:03] Oh! [11:03] yeah, fortunately this one was straightforward [11:03] it can be a real PitA [11:04] Do you see line 19 in the rej file? [11:04] Like, 18-21 [11:04] Where is that stuff? [11:04] yep. Those aren't in lib/multi.c , because that was added in .5 === somerville32 boggles. [11:05] (welcome to the joy of backporting fixes) [11:05] note, however, that semantically the context is nearly identical in the old one [to which you're applying the fix ] [11:06] the difference is an additional if(easy->easy_handle == ... ) [11:06] Maybe I'm still confused [11:07] I thought I had to add the parts with the the plus signs in front [11:07] haha [11:07] yes, you do [11:07] that's the portion that failed to apply [11:08] the significant portion that failed to apply is just one line: Curl_expire(easy->easy_handle, 0); [11:08] Ok, thats what I thought [11:08] so, noting the context prior and following that failed portion, you can see where to apply it [11:08] But I don't see the other parts in that new file [11:08] which other parts? [11:08] (I only have one reject) [11:09] Ok, in the rej file [11:09] Line 6 === merlin-linux [n=quail@unaffiliated/quaillinux/x-000001] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [11:09] right, it's not in edgy's curl source because that was added for feisty's [11:10] So... [11:10] (that's why it failed to apply) [11:10] I only have to add Curl_expire(easy->easy_handle, 0); under nice to put the easy_handle in a good known state when this returns. */ [11:10] right [11:10] haha [11:10] Ok [11:10] I understand now [11:11] You should have told me why it failed and I would have gotten it, haha [11:11] I did 7 minutes ago ;) [11:11] You'll have to forgive me [11:11] no prob [11:11] It is 6:13am here === somerville32 grins. [11:12] 5:12a here [11:12] Alrighty. manually patched [11:12] ok, next, clean up the source tree by removing *.orig and *.rej [11:13] [find -name '*.orig' |xargs rm && find -name '*.rej' |xargs rm ] [11:13] k [11:14] now you're ready to generate a changelog entry [11:14] :] [11:15] [dch -v7.15.4-1ubuntu2.1 -Dedgy-proposed ] [11:16] (fill in the appropriate info) [11:16] dch isn't installed [11:16] What package do I need? [11:16] devscripts :) [11:16] :] [11:18] [oh, emacs has tools for this, but I'm not familiar with that mode. If you're an emacs fan, you'll want to ask someone who uses emacs. ] === somerville32 is a gedit fan. [11:19] What should I say in the changelog? [11:20] the format for a -proposed entry generally references files that were changed and why [11:20] Example? [11:22] * curl/lib/multi.c patched to fix bug #68074 ? [11:22] Malone bug 68074 in curl "Seg fault when connecting" [Unknown,Unknown] http://launchpad.net/bugs/68074 [11:23] e.g., http://pastebin.ca/259304 [11:24] Do I need a @ubuntu.com e-mail address? I read somewhere that I did. [11:24] it's not strictly necessary [11:25] since you aren't a dev yet, you should get a core-dev to ACK the debdiff === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [11:26] (you'll generate the debdiff next) [11:26] parsechangelog/debian: error: unrecognised line, at changelog line 4 [11:26] dch: fatal error at line 983: [11:26] Problem executing dpkg-parsechangelog: [11:26] make sure your syntax is correct [11:26] note that in the pastebin, lines 5-6 are actually one line [11:27] Ok, I fixed it [11:27] Should I run the script again or something? [11:27] which script are you referring to? [11:27] (you need the changelog entry) [11:27] dch [11:27] you only need to run it to add the entry [11:28] Alrighty. [11:28] Whats next? [11:28] since it failed, yes, you'll need to make sure the entry is there [11:28] in debian/changelog [11:28] ? [11:28] yes, at the top [11:28] It is there [11:28] I manually edited it to fix the line break on line 4 [11:29] excellent. Now you have to make sure you file a bug report that will be referenced, as the SRU, in the changelog [11:29] if you wish, you can use 68074 for that [11:29] So I don't need to file a second bug? [11:30] not necessarily, though it helps for clarity [11:30] SRU policy is outlined at [https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates ] [11:32] ok, now that you have the appropriate fix applied and the changelog entry, you need to generate a debdiff to attach to #68074 (or whichever new bug report you open, if you choose) [11:32] Well, I'll open a new bug report since I said I said Daniel wouldn't get anymore e-mails, haha [11:33] ok, just make sure you edit debian/changelog before you generate the debdiff [11:34] Can I put the SRU bug number on it's own "asterisk"? [11:34] if you wish to, yes. I normally reference all the Ubuntu bug #s together by topic [11:35] (so I'd place them together) [11:35] fault (Closes Ubuntu: #68074, _and whatever SRU bug #_). === calavera [n=calavera@195.Red-80-26-32.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [11:39] (note that you'd attach the debdiff to this new bug that you're filing) [11:39] ok, since I have to scoot in a bit, I'm going to outline what else you need to do [11:39] 1) adjust debian/changelog [11:40] 2) generate a debdiff [11:40] How else do I have to modify debian/changelog? [11:40] 3) add the relevant info, including the debdiff and diffstat info, to the new bug [11:40] debian/changelog needs to reference the SRU bug # [11:40] (you'll see that when you reread https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates ) [11:42] now, generating a debdiff is quite straightforward. While in the root of the extracted source, you issue a ``debuild -S'' [11:43] that command generates several files in the parent directory, curl_7.15.4-1ubuntu2.1.diff.gz , curl_7.15.4-1ubuntu2.1.dsc , curl_7.15.4-1ubuntu2.1_source.build , curl_7.15.4-1ubuntu2.1_source.changes [11:44] you should cwd to that parent directory to generate a debdiff (the previous step just generated a Debianised source package) [11:44] debdiff accepts several different files; I use the dscs [11:44] ``debdiff curl_7.15.4-1ubuntu2.dsc curl_7.15.4-1ubuntu2.1.dsc >curl_7.15.4-1ubuntu2.1.debdiff'' [11:45] and that's the debdiff that is applicable to the original edgy source package [11:46] you'd attach that to the new bug report === archis [n=archis@unaffiliated/archis] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [11:46] I also find it useful to include diffstat output, so whichever archive admin is reading the SRU can get a quick overview of the invasiveness of the patch [11:47] (diffstat is in the diffstat package) [11:47] diffstat curl_7.15.4-1ubuntu2.1.debdiff === archis [n=archis@unaffiliated/archis] has left #ubuntu-bugs ["Ex-Chat"] [11:48] afterward, you'd attach all that info to the new bug report, following step #1 (Propose) of the SRU process [11:49] always build and test your debdiff before subscribing the ubuntu-sru team [11:50] (I need to return to work) === somerville32 waves. === pradeep [n=pradeep@59.92.41.6] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === BugMaN [n=BugMaN@nat.cabi.uniroma1.it] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [12:05] Gah [12:05] It isn't working === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [12:13] moin all [12:15] Hi === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === BjornT [n=bjorn@clt-84-32-240-183.dtiltas.lt] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [12:33] seb128: hi, not is gnome-vfs2 2.16.1-0ubuntu2 the latest stable? === Riot777 [n=riot777@unaffiliated/riot777] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [12:33] fernando: stable = upstream stable or Ubuntu stable? [12:34] seb128: ubuntu stable [12:34] apt-cache show libgnomevfs2-0 | grep -i version [12:34] Version: 2.16.1-0ubuntu2 [12:34] there is a 2.16 [12:34] seb128: you have pached the 2.16.1-0ubuntu3 [12:34] .2.16.1-0ubuntu3 to edgy-proposed which fix the 100% CPU bug [12:34] s/pached/patched/ [12:34] seb128: ah, ok [12:34] seb128: thanks [12:36] np [12:36] does that answer your question? [12:36] you are looking for that update? [12:36] it's to "edgy-proposed", which is not part of the default sources.list [12:39] seaLne: thanks [12:39] seb128: thanks [12:39] np [12:47] Woot. [12:47] Got it to work [12:47] Alrightys, times for bed === somerville32 waves. === guglielf [n=flp@ppp-227-65.21-151.libero.it] has left #ubuntu-bugs ["Konversation] === jsgotangco [n=greatwhi@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === Cas_ [n=cas@210.22.29.47] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === Cas_ is now known as Cas === actarus [n=flp@ppp-21-70.21-151.libero.it] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === xeros [i=xeros@fan194.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-bugs.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === Topic for #ubuntu-bugs: Ubuntu BugSquad | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | Documentation: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | If you have been triaging bugs for a while, please apply to https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-qa/ - http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad === Topic (#ubuntu-bugs): set by Hobbsee at Sun Nov 26 08:58:55 2006 === Cas_ is now known as Cas === tonyyserver [n=anthony@d235-240-148.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === tonyyserver [n=anthony@d235-240-148.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === guglielf [n=flp@ppp-21-70.21-151.libero.it] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === geser [n=michael@dialin107107.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === omgponiezlol [n=freddy@st074039212101.monm.edu] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === joumetal [n=mettala@letku30.adsl.netsonic.fi] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === BugMaN [n=BugMaN@nat.cabi.uniroma1.it] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === jonh_wendell [n=wendell@200165129065.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-2-36.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === tonyyserver [n=anthony@d235-240-148.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === yamal [n=yamal@unknown.chuui.jp] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === pirast [n=martin@p508B2155.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === joachim-n [n=joachim@AC8D9AE3.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [03:54] Boo [04:09] bddebian, boooooohooooooo! [04:09] Hehe. Hello pirast [04:10] hi ;-) [04:11] hey pirast === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === predius_ [n=predius@201.230.127.236] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === lionel [n=lionel@ip-61.net-82-216-103.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === BjornT [n=bjorn@clt-84-32-240-183.dtiltas.lt] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === lakin [n=lakin@206.174.196.147] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === pradeep [n=pradeep@59.92.44.91] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === torkiano [n=torkiano@cm241045.red83-165.mundo-r.com] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === Dinxter [n=niall@82-41-236-160.cable.ubr12.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === BjornT_ [n=bjorn@clt-84-32-240-183.dtiltas.lt] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === BugMaN [n=BugMaN@nat.cabi.uniroma1.it] has left #ubuntu-bugs [] === somerville32 [i=somervil@fctnnbsc15w-156034090229.nb.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === BjornT [n=bjorn@clt-84-32-240-183.dtiltas.lt] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === ranf [n=ralfm@dslb-084-058-174-205.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === silwol [n=silwol@193.170.135.113] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [05:39] sfllaw: it'd be good to announce the next hug day in your open week session [05:40] Yes, I think so. [05:40] I should probably get fridge-devel to put it up. === marcin_ant [n=marcin@194.114.146.126] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === frafu [n=frafu@85.93.207.78] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [05:45] seb128: where is this bug nowadays: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/2055 ?? [05:48] jonh_wendell Sebastian is busy now at #ubuntu-classroom. What was this bug about? [05:48] joumetal: it's a outdated bug... i'd want just a confirmation from sebastien === Vorbote [n=vorbote@unaffiliated/vorbote] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === Vorbote [n=vorbote@unaffiliated/vorbote] has left #ubuntu-bugs [] === motin [n=motin@c80-217-109-98.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [05:49] jonh_wendell: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=NUMBER [05:49] http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2055 [05:49] for that one === apokryphos [n=apokryph@87-194-86-227.bethere.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [05:51] seb128: thanks === nosse [n=vlehto@130.233.248.139] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === Thokalin [n=thomas@host204-15-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === Thokalin [n=thomas@host204-15-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has left #ubuntu-bugs ["Ex-Chat"] [05:54] jonh_wendell: np === Dinxter [n=niall@82-41-236-160.cable.ubr12.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-bugs ["jump] === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === pirast [n=martin@p508B2155.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === bugman [n=bugman@host-84-221-7-139.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === Administrator__ [i=somervil@fctnnbsc15w-156034090229.nb.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [06:19] jonh_wendell: closing old bugs like that on bugzilla is not the way to go [06:19] jonh_wendell: I don't really care about that vino bug, but it's likely some bugsquad guy will remove your rights if you keep doing that [06:20] jonh_wendell: you can't close a bug because it has been reported with an old version, but don't get automagically fixed with new versions [06:20] jonh_wendell: you usually ask the submitter if it still gets the issue before closing something === somerville32 [n=somervil@fctnnbsc15w-156034080045.nb.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [06:21] seb128: the submitter is you; i've looked the LP bug report and it was rejected in Ubuntu [06:22] jonh_wendell: don't use the stock reply but say that to the comment in such case then :) === pirast [n=martin@p508B2155.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === Smiffeh [n=matt@80.168.87.188] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [06:40] seb128: should i reopen that vino bug? [06:40] jonh_wendell: no that's fine, nobody has got it for a long time apparently [06:40] jonh_wendell: I would just have closed it with a comment saying that the Ubuntu bug is closed and it seems to not happen with the new version [06:41] seb128: sure, thanks for the tip [06:41] saying "you used an old version, I'm closing your bug" just doesn't apply for people using GNOME 2.10 [06:41] 80% of the GNOME 2.10 bugs are still valid on GNOME 2.16 probably [06:41] np! === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === joumetal [n=mettala@letku30.adsl.netsonic.fi] has left #ubuntu-bugs ["Lhdss"] === Dinxter [n=niall@82-41-236-160.cable.ubr12.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === Dinxter [n=niall@82-41-236-160.cable.ubr12.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === Dinxter [n=niall@82-41-236-160.cable.ubr12.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-bugs ["jumps] === typecast [n=foo@p54A0B2BC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === FeddyM [n=freddy@st074039212101.monm.edu] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === mr_pouit [n=silk@LAubervilliers-151-12-125-187.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === BjornT_ [n=bjorn@clt-84-32-240-183.dtiltas.lt] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === bronson [n=bronson@66.160.177.202] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === jrib [n=jasonr@unaffiliated/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === dsas [n=dean@host-84-9-179-241.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === Smiffeh [n=matt@80.168.87.188] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === Czubek [n=Damian@abpo140.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === bronson [n=bronson@66.160.177.202] has left #ubuntu-bugs ["Ex-Chat"] === rdrdp [n=rdrdp@ip-81-170-101-247.cust.homechoice.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === pecisk [n=pecisk@purvc-44-54.maksinets.lv] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === ompaul [n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === Dinxter [n=niall@82-41-236-160.cable.ubr12.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === Dinxter [n=niall@82-41-236-160.cable.ubr12.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-bugs ["jumps] === jonh_wendell_ [n=wendell@200165129086.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === PriceChild [n=pricechi@unix0.york.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === seaLne_ [n=seaLne@obelisk.wasters.com] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === Smiffeh [n=matt@80.168.87.66] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === bugman [n=bugman@host-84-221-7-139.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has left #ubuntu-bugs ["Leaving"] === blue-frog [n=bluefrog@83.153.124.232] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === mr_pouit [n=silk@LAubervilliers-151-12-125-187.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === omgponiezlol [n=freddy@st074039212101.monm.edu] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === jonh_wendell_ is now known as jonh_wendell === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-2-36.net-htp.de] has left #ubuntu-bugs [] === dsas [n=dean@host-84-9-179-241.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === squid890 [n=squid890@cpe-24-58-67-212.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === towsonu2003 [n=towsonu2@c-69-251-20-244.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === mc44 [n=mc44@ip-81-170-79-163.cust.homechoice.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === omgponiezlol [n=freddy@st074039212101.monm.edu] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [11:16] Ubugtu dead? [11:22] Adri2000: i think so, Lp was having problems according to crimsun === Cas_ [n=cas@210.22.29.47] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === Le-Chuck_IT1 [n=Le-Chuck@host157-8-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [11:33] hi all [11:33] I have a question about bug fixing in ubuntu in general [11:33] shoot [11:34] I see that edgy has been released quite in time [11:34] but with some bugs affecting various packages [11:34] yes [11:34] and I can show evidences that these bugs are really a showstopper for many people [11:34] and [11:35] can I expect that they'll ever be fixed in edgy, not in feisty [11:35] and if not [11:35] isn't this gonna repeat in feisty? [11:35] Le-Chuck_IT1: what kind of bugs [11:35] further, do you have bug reports that we can inspect [11:35] e.g. beagle (which is in universe) breaking yelp once installed [11:35] lyx [11:35] Le-Chuck_IT1: yes, there will always be bugs in released distros that will not be fixed as fixing them may break more things [11:36] which in edgy is completely broken [11:36] and the italian locales for synaptic [11:36] that have been breaking italian update-manager since a month ago [11:37] Le-Chuck_IT1: well they will likely be fixed if they prevent upgrading [11:37] well I am a bit worried by the last one [11:37] seems like the simple fix of removing a ' character [11:38] has been put apart in favour of most serious fixes [11:38] but [11:38] what does it take to change a string [11:38] and update the fix immediately [11:38] expecially because it's a "stable update" that is breaking things [11:38] Le-Chuck_IT1: is there a bug filed for this? [11:39] I can point out https://launchpad.net/distros/debian/+source/beagle/+bug/67778 for the first one I mentioned [11:39] Malone bug 67778 in beagle "Search don't work with beagle" [Unknown,Fix released] [11:39] now [11:39] Le-Chuck_IT1: I mean the locale problem [11:39] yes I know :) [11:40] just pasting the other one [11:40] :) [11:40] yes there is a well know open bug [11:40] even if perhaps I am not subscribed to that since I'm not finding it [11:41] I don't know [11:41] is asking a backport the right way to proceed? [11:41] instead of an SRU which is more complicated, I mean [11:42] its depends on the problem, if it is a language pack causing it, then it is adifferent matter [11:43] yes [11:43] Le-Chuck_IT1: https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/70959 ? [11:43] but consider beagle [11:43] Malone bug 70959 in update-manager "update-manager doesn't install updates when Italian locale is on" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [11:43] Le-Chuck_IT1: beagle is non critical and unlikely to be updated with an SRU === mr_pouit_ [n=silk@LAubervilliers-151-12-125-187.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [11:45] here it is! https://launchpad.net/products/update-manager/+bug/51419 [11:45] Malone bug 51419 in gksu ""Install updates"-button only refreshes update list in it_IT environement" [High,Confirmed] [11:45] and of course 70959 is a duplicate of this one === mr_pouit_ is now known as mr_pouit [11:46] I see beagle is non critical :) The point is [11:46] if software is non critical why not quick fix it expecially when it breaks more important programs? [11:46] not to be polemic [11:47] Le-Chuck_IT1: becasue it may well break many other things that are working fine [11:47] I am just trying to figure out best practices [11:47] yes but it's not the case for that bug: the bug is in a cron script, the cron script is wrong, it's breaking yelp [11:47] ok I surrender :) [11:48] I already went for a backport and it looks like it will be done [11:48] Le-Chuck_IT1: yay :) [11:48] ok but now: I should consider backports sort of "ubuntu quickfixed" [11:49] but it's not really so [11:49] because it's "ubuntu quickfixed with newer versions" [11:50] and I am still disappointed with the fact that broken workflow in the stable release will remain broken for months even when the fix is known [11:50] I mean [11:50] if I had a software company with many users [11:50] I would release some fix sometime [11:50] for bugs, crashes [11:50] not only for security [11:50] Le-Chuck_IT1: its a consequence of 6 month release cycle [11:50] I understand [11:51] it's not gentoo [11:51] and limited resources [11:51] but I see novell releases fixes and does not break things (except for their ugly package manager) [11:51] maybe it's a matter that they have much more resources [11:52] the point is: I am experimenting with living like ubuntu is MY software [11:52] I think mostly it is much stricter since we broke peoples X SERVERS with an upate to dapper stable [11:53] well again this confirms that "non critical" software could be easily quick-fixed while critical software should not be touched [11:54] another problem being that I find bugs in the sofware I use every day [11:54] so I must choose either to use the development version or not to contribute at all [11:55] you can still report bugs in stable versions [11:55] I did this intensively and many times I found that bugs where already reported and fixed in upstream, feisty or debian testing [11:56] that's a dog eating its tail :) [11:56] see, isnt free software great :) all your bugs are fixed! [11:56] Don't want to bore anyone with this chat, however it is important for me to understand what's the ubuntu mood about these issues :) [11:56] yes but I won't benefit of the fixes until feisty which will have other bugs that will not be fixed [11:57] Le-Chuck_IT1: ah but new and exciting bugs [11:57] I left dapper for the huge number of bugs that where there and in edgy [11:57] I had to resist a lot to the temptation [11:57] because I really like ubuntu [11:57] however [11:57] not to repeat myself [11:57] perhaps backporting is the right thing to do [11:58] do you think so mc44? [11:58] In many cases, backporting is the right thing. === merlin-linux [n=quail@unaffiliated/quaillinux/x-000001] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [11:58] Although we are doing stable updates for software that has a simple patch to fix bugs. [11:58] For instance, you can search the verification-needed tag, which shows packages that I'm aggressively testing. [11:58] Those will end up in dapper-updates or edgy-updates. [11:59] I think I should try again to push the beagle cron script and lyx [11:59] s/think/feel like/ [12:00] lyx is completely useless in its current form [12:00] the dapper version was better [12:00] "Users of the official release, in contrast, expect a high degree of stability." this is what I think too [12:00] Your best bet is to find someone on IRC or via e-mail. [12:01] Discuss what the best minimal patch is to resolve the issue. [12:01] You can't really add features, but you can unbreak things. [12:01]