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[04:06] or rather stick with metacity and aiglx? [04:06] i'm becoming a little suspicious that it's the former! :S [04:09] well, it wouldn't be xgl [04:09] perhaps beryl and aiglx with metacity also === j_ack_ [n=rudi@p508DA807.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === predius_ [n=predius@201.230.127.236] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack__ [n=rudi@p508DA718.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-6842959b7d8213f8] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:fabbione] : Ubuntu Development (not support, even with feisty) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Edgy is released [04:41] BenC, what would be the feasibility of merging "Suspend" and "Hibernate"? Does code for such a merged function exist for Linux like it does for OS X and Vista? [04:42] (I wouldn't even know where to look, and Google's not helping) [04:42] mpt: I'm not sure what you mean by merging it [04:43] Suspending to disk, then to ram [04:43] So it's like suspend-to-RAM, but if you lose power, you don't lose your session [04:43] aka "Sleep" in Vista and "Safe Sleep" in OS X [04:44] surely that would take significantly longer [04:44] especially on laptops with slow hard drives? [04:45] yes, it does [04:46] mpt: suspend2 does that [04:46] if you dont lose power it wakes up pretty quick, else resumes from disk if it dies/gets turned off [04:46] works quite nice [04:47] (but we're not using suspend2) === mpt finds https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-suspend2 [04:53] but, HrdwrBoB, it removes one of the places where people have to understand the difference between "disk" and "memory", which they rarely do [04:53] true [04:54] and it helps reduce the "dozen different ways to log out" embarrassment :-) [04:56] mjg59 has been looking more into this. He is probably the best person to talk to [04:59] ta [05:05] mpt: main thing is that suspend2 is way too much of a code delta for us to maintain in our kernel [05:05] mpt: The onus is on the suspend2 maintainers to work out the problems with their code base and get it merged into upstream [05:05] ah [05:10] yeah these patches are just too intrusive [05:10] mpt: we have been looking at suspend2 since warty or something :) === admin123 [n=admin123@ip503d4396.speed.planet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freet15 [n=freet15@61.51.188.166] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Xof [n=mas01cr@158.223.59.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:41] mpt: do you get the UWN? [05:43] no === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:43] Burgundavia, why do you ask? [05:43] mpt: I need your advice on something [05:44] mpt: thoughts on the "changes in Feisty" section? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue22 === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:47] "an added helping in the form of the autosyncing of all the completely new packages" could be "an added helping of auto-synced completely new packages" [05:48] mpt: not looking for specifics, just your comments on the general readability and interestingness to non-developers [05:48] It's Dr?ge, not Droege :-) [05:49] stop analysing the small stuff [05:49] and ... ok ok === theCore_ [n=alex@modemcable111.199-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:51] Well, I don't know the target audience for UWN [05:51] But for me, the lists of new package versions make my eyes glaze over [05:51] right, thanks [05:51] That's my only non-misspelling-of-people's-names complaint [05:51] what wouldn't make your eyes glaze over? [05:52] Hmm [05:52] Perhaps give a total number of packages, and say "including new versions of A, B, and C" [05:52] mpt, so the numbers are frying your brain as well? [05:52] where A, B, and C are some of the more interesting ones [05:53] elkbuntu: I read that section last week and cringed [05:53] Burgundavia, i didnt read it. i glanced and gave up [05:54] indeed [05:57] Burgundavia: for the list, I would consider actually using a bullet list (or drop the version numbers). [05:57] mpt: can you come to -marketing? [05:58] I dropping version numbers in most cases is a good idea === Hobbsee waves to Mithrandir [05:58] hiya Hobbsee :-) [05:58] :) [05:59] how did/are exams? [05:59] | grammarcorrect [06:00] hi Mithrandir [06:00] Mithrandir: they're over :) [06:00] hi Andrew [06:00] Hobbsee: that's good. [06:01] yup [06:01] Mithrandir: i'm told "go to spain, we're going on a cruise" [06:01] by the parents :P [06:01] or wherever UDS next is [06:02] lucky you [06:02] get them to pay for it as well :) [06:02] hah [06:03] Hobbsee: yay. :-) === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:03] alright, vmware fixed, I have active directory back to play with :) === dade` [n=dade@nectarine/admin/dade] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:04] You make that sound like a pleasant thing. [06:04] I remember AD. [06:04] I had nightmares. === dade` [n=dade@nectarine/admin/dade] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [06:04] sfllaw: it's wonderful, isn't it? [06:04] sfllaw: UDS is wonderful! [06:04] it's insanity distilled into pure form and spread out over a whole week. [06:04] Mithrandir: Insanity? That's my real life. [06:05] Only in a different city. [06:05] hi [06:05] hello wasabi [06:05] AD rocks. [06:05] just had to drop by to give my two cents. [06:05] wasabi must have his irc client highlighting on AD [06:06] "directory" actually. [06:06] Speaking of which, I'm reconstructing cyrus imap right now. [06:06] And I'm pretty pissed and wish I was using Exchange instead. ;) [06:06] take that! [06:06] it's that bad? [06:06] it's just a lot of silly manual work. [06:06] I upgraded to 2.2, which seems to require me to manually upgrade each BDB file. [06:07] Which of course in fact corrupted each bdb file. [06:07] I'm very, very wary of products using BDB [06:07] Generally I am as well. [06:07] But, ya know. It works. Barely. [06:07] I suspect it's less BDB's fault these days and more the consumers. [06:08] I have discovered yet another core lacking factor which will have to be overcome to "do what AD does". [06:08] my current policy for bdb-using software these days is "if it just uses bdb for caching, I'm fine. If it uses it for permanent storage, I'm not happy" [06:08] Sasl has no concept of a unique immutable ID. [06:09] Which basically means cyrus names the mailbox based on the user that logs in, not some unique property of said user. [06:09] you seem to want to support user name renames, which I think is just plain silly. [06:09] Whatever. AD does it. [06:09] Novell does it. [06:09] You try to tell a customer they can't do it, you get shut out. [06:10] There's also nothing fundamentally wrong with it. [06:10] If built right. [06:11] *shrug*; it's adding yet another abstraction layer. Add a user name => uuid mapping and carry the uuid around everywhere you use user names today. [06:12] Yes, it is an abstaction. It can be argued it is useful though. Users type in their username. Typing in jhaltom is easier to remember than 23494843 [06:12] there are ways and ways of supporting user renames [06:12] Just need to build some sort of authid->uniqueid mapping into all these various libs, and get people using them. [06:13] Doesn't matter if a particular installation chooses a posix id or a uuid or a sid then. [06:13] wasabi: yes, and if you want to support user renames, you then have to change the user name everywhere it's used, not really hard. [06:13] that's an easier way to do it. [06:13] Not exactly. [06:13] Consider, oh, for instance, Google, my prime use case. [06:13] Mostly because they came up to me at UDS and said it sucked. [06:14] They have 44 kerberos KDCs. Same number of lDAP servers. For any given user, his name could be strewn across a hundred different servers. [06:14] Apache authz files, crontab files, whatever. [06:14] Consider AD then. You right click on the user and hit "rename". Done. [06:14] Nothing breaks. [06:15] Since everything was keyed on the SID to begin with. [06:16] you're trying to change fairly fundemantal bit of how unix apps work here; I see a long and uphill battle in your future. [06:16] Well, for the directory (kdc,ldap) you just need to build a click-rename thingie just like AD has. [06:16] wasabi: acrually, thats a vast handwave [06:16] For the rest, well, don't use usernames. [06:16] Use uids instead [06:16] lifeless: Not really. [06:16] wasabi: renames of the account name in AD do not rename everything [06:16] lifeless: They don't rename files named "bob" on the HD. But roaming profiles keep working. [06:16] wasabi: for instance, the local profile is named on disk with the username, not the UUID. [06:17] Yes, but it's keyed by the SID. [06:17] sure. [06:17] The name of the folder is immaterial. [06:17] Logins to new systems will have a new properly named folder created. Logins to old ones will contiue using the old folder. [06:17] If another user assumes the old name, old systems will give him a new folder, name.DOMAINNAME. [06:18] And some pattern thereof to generate a unique one. [06:18] I know [06:18] I've spent years of my life on that platform [06:18] What it comes down to though is not assuming the username will rename, at all points. [06:18] I've three key comments here, then you can return your previously scheduled rant. [06:18] =) [06:19] 1) its not a trivial change to unix to do this 'just like AD' [06:19] 2) look at what suns directory server, or NDS for Unix do, as that is more relevant prior art IMO [06:19] Hey, I recognize I'm whining on IRC. ;) [06:20] 1) Of course. Sucks, doesn't it? [06:20] 3) spec it up, get upstream community buyin - this is not something that it makes sense to drive within a distribution - the changes are too big, and too sweeping [06:20] there, I'm done :) [06:20] 2) Yeah. I need to look at those. I'm curious what they've done. At the same time, I recognize they don't have much market share, maybe for a reason? This one reason? No clue. [06:20] If you plan for it resonably, doing a username change is not that hard, IME. [06:21] 3) That's the goal. [06:21] If you use the username all over dozens of different software systems as identifiers, it gets tricky, but you usually don't have to. [06:21] How in the world does one get ahold of Sun directory server and NDS anyways? [06:22] ahh hah there it is [06:24] lifeless: As I get further and further into this it become more clear that it is less of a technical problem and more of a political problem. I suspect most people come from a large AD environment or know what to expect in one. [06:24] s/come/do not come/ [06:24] Nor even really understand the benefits. [06:25] And if told downplay said benefits. =) [06:27] in some way, this discussion reminds me of the old "but CVS doesn't know how to rename files" discussion where most people who used CVS just didn't care that it didn't support file renames; you just ignored that missing feature and went on with your life. Maybe not ideal, but it worked and wasn't a real pain at all. [06:27] Mithrandir: I guess. It also sort of resulted in CVS being removed as a viable competitor in the commercial world, imo. [06:28] Ya know, hence the invention of ClearCase and all the others. [06:28] And now those are pretty well established. [06:28] wasabi: oh, I know plenty of software companies happy with CVS. [06:29] Software companies, sure. [06:29] (and those aren't interested in free software, they just want an RCS) [06:30] I guess I speak of a different set of users. [06:31] Those who want an RCS, but will never in their life even comprehend editing a cvs repository to move a file. [06:31] Which, in my probably naive opinion, makes up the majority. [06:31] You know, all those who ended up on SourceSafe, simply because it accomplished the common case. [06:32] And then all ran to Vault when those guys released that and are now being sucked back into the MS fold with Team Server. [06:33] me->bed. Night. === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === towsonu2003 [n=towsonu2@c-69-251-20-244.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:39] mako: ping === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cain_ [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B04D1.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:45] good morning [06:46] good morning :) === cjwatson [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marsu [n=user@c83-252-78-72.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === smh [n=smh@CPE-67-48-248-195.new.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === smh [n=smh@CPE-67-48-248-195.new.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marsu [n=user@c83-252-78-72.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === evilynux [n=evilynux@dsl-10-148-184.b2b2c.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:07] I'm asking for a sync and I've been told (by Stefan aka sistpoty) to join ubuntu-universe-sponsors but I can't seem to find such a mailing list. At least not on https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/. [07:07] Which list did he meant? [07:09] evilynux: it isn't a list [07:09] evilynux: it's a team on launchpad [07:09] oh [07:09] https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-universe-sponsors [07:11] thanks LaserJock [07:11] dont join it, just subscribe them to the bug [07:12] ah doh [07:12] i didn't get we he meant [07:12] else i'll just deny your request :) [07:12] seeing as you clearly cant upload if you're not a MOTU [07:12] heheh, can i cancel my subscription request? [07:12] dunno [07:13] if not, i'll just stop it, that's fine :) [07:13] oki, stop it please [07:13] done [07:13] thanks [07:14] there you go [07:14] Ubuntu Sponsors for universe is in Subscribers to bug 73424. So that's it? [07:14] Malone bug 73424 in mail-notification "Request for a sync with debian's package" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/73424 [07:19] Stefan said: subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors and wait for an ack, then subscribe ubuntu-archive. [07:19] Which ack did he meant? And again, subscribe ubuntu-archive to the bug or subscribe to the mailing list? [07:20] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019922.html for the sponsoring process === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:20] hmmm... i don't want to be sponsored [07:20] i want my debian package to be sync in ubuntu [07:21] dholbach: thanks anyway :) [07:21] evilynux, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:23] evilynux: you did it right - somebody of the motu team will check that the changes can indeed be dropped, then ask ubuntu-archive to do the sync [07:23] dholbach: great [07:24] hey dholbach [07:24] ogra: hmm.. that indicates that i still need to subscribe ubuntu-archive to the bug?? [07:24] heya ogra [07:25] or does having "Ubuntu Sponsors for universe" nullifies the need to add ubuntu-archive? [07:25] evilynux: they'll take care of that [07:25] evilynux, well, if you are sure that everything can be dropped you can do it, else i'd go with dholbachs suggestion and leave it up to the motu to check [07:26] alright [07:26] thank you guys [07:26] cya [07:26] (that help was much appreaciated) === evilynux [n=evilynux@dsl-10-148-184.b2b2c.ca] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tomasz [n=tomasz@203-59-134-70.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=william@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A66898.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra pokes sysklogd with a pointy stick [08:31] hey ogra [08:32] hi ubuntuland [08:32] hey highvoltage [08:33] Burgundavia; how's business? [08:33] not bad [08:33] about to push out another UWN [08:33] score [08:33] wow, the UWN's keep on rolling nicely [08:33] sticks come in handy for this task === Burgundavia has a good supply [08:34] git-push over wifi feels a little bit like magic [08:34] desrt: if you don't deliver one of 1)your gdm work 2)your applet work in the .18 cycle, I am going to not give you free beer the next time I see you === stgraber [i=stgraber@server.lan.stgraber.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:34] Burgundavia; school is priority #1 [08:35] desrt: bah, school [08:35] Burgundavia; plus. my gdm work has a patch in bugzilla and my applet work is in GNOME CVS [08:35] default branch for the latter? [08:35] i do not prevent people from working on either :) [08:35] no. "super-sketchy" branch :) [08:36] right [08:36] what is needed on both? [08:36] but all the code is there. i'm not hoarding anything :) [08:36] is there a good todo somewhere? [08:36] no. not really. [08:36] the gdm one needs me to talk with the gnome-session maintainer [08:37] or possibly become the gnome-session maintainer... [08:37] applet needs a lot of polish work [08:37] it's fully functional but it's rough around the edges. probably has some leaks and crashes in corner cases. it also totally lacks a UI. [08:38] the session stuff is being totally rewritten by danw, from what I remember [08:38] well [08:38] perhaps, in january, i will talk to him :) [08:38] right === desrt is so busy that he hasn't even had time to fill out his "send me money" form for uds-mtv === highvoltage is so busy that he hasn't send in forms for even before that [08:39] (I'm sure I will when I'm broke enough though ;) ) [08:39] I still have a form from UBZ I never sent in [08:39] in any case, that git-push that i was just talking about is my assignment 5 for cas705 which is due in 7 hours (and i should probably sleep some time in there too) [08:40] cjwatson: how does the installer look, merge-wise? [08:40] ttyl :) === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:46] Keybuk: any particular reason why postfix hasn't been synced from Debian? [08:47] oh, we have a newer one in feisty. [08:47] ignore me. :-) [08:47] (I'm unable to read) [08:47] :D === jono [n=jono@88-107-64-195.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:52] morning jono, Keybuk [08:53] hey Burgundavia [08:53] jono: unless you have not been to sleep, this means you got less than 6 hours sleep [08:53] Burgundavia, thats right, up for work :P === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:58] moins jono \ [08:58] tsk, slee [08:58] p [08:58] heya imbrandon [08:58] sleep is for when your dead :) === ogra had 3h and sits in the warzsaw airport since 3h [08:59] wow === guglielf [n=flp@ppp-227-65.21-151.libero.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lloydinho_ [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=william@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === guglielf [n=flp@ppp-227-65.21-151.libero.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@p549654D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra wonders why klogd uses linkage.h seems to work fine with it removed ... === Smiffeh [n=matt@80.168.87.120] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:11] i wonder if i can just wie the line from the code ... or if i should include it in the package, since its gone from our libc dev package [09:11] *wipe === Smiffeh [n=matt@80.168.87.120] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === malcc [n=malcolm@host86-135-237-55.range86-135.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Smiffeh [n=matt@80.168.87.120] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === Smiffeh [n=matt@80.168.87.120] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@20.238-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tfheen [n=tfheen@aine.err.no] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:40] Good morning [09:41] fabbione: thoughts about https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/48082 ? It's "later"-targetted. [09:41] Malone bug 48082 in samba "Samba fails to upgrade with dangling K09samba symlink" [High,Confirmed] [09:41] Mithrandir: looking [09:42] hmm, doko is supposed to be back today, isn't he? [09:43] Mithrandir: i can look into it... do you need to know for feisty or get it fixed for *? [09:43] Mithrandir: AFAIR yes [09:44] fabbione: technically, it's a herd 1 blocker, but given that none of us has come up with "do those steps to reproduce", I'm not sure treating it as a blocker makes sense. [09:45] Mithrandir: just clean installed on feisty with no problems [09:45] fabbione: oh sure, it's _something_ which changed the symlink at some point in the past. The job is to find out what. [09:46] Mithrandir: oh i just noticed that it has been assigned to me.. [09:46] Mithrandir: ok.. i will have to dig into it [09:46] fabbione: exactly; hence me prodding you. [09:46] fabbione: thanks === guglielf [n=flp@ppp-227-65.21-151.libero.it] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [09:46] i hate random bugs reassigned without a proper ping.. they get lost in the 394u397439749302128749826459826439852645 bug emails [09:47] hmm, I wonder if it would be worthwhile to have the personal bug pages grouped by milestone. [09:48] it'd make it much, much easier for people to see "those bugs are high-priority ones" [09:48] Mithrandir: my problem is the noise of all the other bugs === HorseElbow [n=aquamari@host86-134-93-172.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:48] fabbione: it wouldn't solve the mail problem. [09:48] Mithrandir: yes i know [09:48] it'd give you a more useful place in LP to look. [09:50] can't you do an advanced bug search and group it by severity? [09:51] that's not the point. The point is visibility for all developers. === hunger would like to know what is getting worked on, too, even if he is just a user. [09:53] tomasz: and severity is orthogonal to milestoning. [09:55] ok === proppy [n=proppy@free.mekensleep.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:57] Mithrandir: there is no mention of that change in the changelog... *sigh* === Seeker` [n=cjo20@ip-62-105-182-26.dsl.twang.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:02] sladen: ping? === FliesLikeABrick [n=Ryan@about/rpi/rawdor] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@75.Red-88-12-132.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:13] Keybuk: nice entry. [10:15] Mithrandir: it's getting there, but I still have a fair bit to go ... === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:16] Keybuk: as I pointed out in a recent conversation, since we are compromising on binary drivers, why not binary multimedia codecs? [10:16] Keybuk: how often does http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html update? I've noticed it often being out of date (i.e. listing stuff I merged hours ago) === funman [n=fun@AToulouse-157-1-149-106.w86-221.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:16] hello === HorseElbow [n=aquamari@host86-134-93-172.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [10:16] that would satisfy an even larger group of users [10:16] crimsun: are you here ? [10:16] cjwatson: hourly, unless it breaks [10:16] funman: yes [10:17] crimsun: i see ubuntu doesn't include a -dbg package for vlc [10:17] it keeps tripping over an abiword source [10:17] ValueError: process failed 17: dpkg-source -x abiword_2.4.5-0ubuntu2.dsc [10:17] +/srv/patches.ubuntu.com/unpacked/a/abiword/2.4.5-0ubuntu2 [10:17] does these debug packages only exist for important software ? [10:18] it's quite helpful [10:18] funman: let's migrate to #ubuntu-motu, please, since it's a universe package [10:18] ok [10:18] cjwatson: tbh, I suspect casey is running out of disk space [10:19] ah [10:19] it updated for your LP link addition, so I assumed it must need manual prodding :) [10:19] looks like it's failed all weekend === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-b756cf25b6d98ee1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:23] funman: since edgy there is "-dbgsym" packages on "deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/ddebs edgy main universe" [10:23] funman: dbgsym packages are available for everything which has been rebuilt since the service is running [10:24] seb128: yeah crimsun told me that [10:25] thanks [10:25] np [10:25] vlc is in there [10:25] now i must convince people to use these debs ;) [10:25] it'll be the most complex part of the trick ;) === stu1 [n=stub@ppp-58.8.13.237.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:27] dholbach: what's the source of the package that offers the System->Administration->Share Folders ? [10:27] fabbione: gnome-system-tools [10:28] which is the UI part [10:28] fabbione: what are you trying to do? [10:28] dholbach: thanks [10:28] seb128: i am trying to figure what hell is triggering #48082 [10:28] bug #48082 [10:28] Malone bug 48082 in samba "Samba fails to upgrade with dangling K09samba symlink" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/48082 [10:28] ah, k [10:29] it looks to me that users did try to share the folder, got a "there is no samba" and tried to install samba with that error [10:29] because there is no way that samba does that [10:29] so it is an external entity [10:29] now.. which one is what gives me some pain === TerminX [i=8cf03619@adsl-68-122-5-124.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === funman [n=fun@AToulouse-157-1-149-106.w86-221.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === ssam [n=ssam@88-107-44-18.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === quail [n=quail@unaffiliated/quaillinux/x-000001] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:36] cjwatson: good morning. I tried to netboot feisty on Friday, but it installed edgy instead. Is Herd 1 going to have netboot-capability? [10:36] Mithrandir: well i have no clue. samba is not at fault. let's ignore it for Herd 1 [10:37] tepsipakki: there is no feisty d-i yet [10:37] so it doesn't matter if I preseed the suite? [10:37] bummer [10:37] no it's still too early. please be patiente [10:37] Mithrandir: btw, it seems that NetworkManager will not even need any ZeroConfigNetworking spec related changes [10:37] sure ;) [10:37] tepsipakki: as Fabio says, wait. [10:38] just asking [10:38] tepsipakki: it's in progress. [10:38] of course [10:38] and yes, netboot will work before CDs, I imagine [10:38] I've already merged/uploaded choose-mirror [10:38] Mithrandir: avahi-autoipd is invoked as a dhclient-enter-hooks.d script from dhcdbd [10:38] but seeing as Herd 1 is a *CD* release, it does not make sense to talk about it having netboot capability as such [10:39] Mithrandir: and the route changes are done when calling the if-up.d scripts [10:39] cjwatson: ok, thanks for the update === jinty [n=jinty@177.Red-83-54-74.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:40] jono: ping ( see query ) [10:43] pitti: yay, goodie. === zOrK [n=eclipse@c-66-176-68-228.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:43] cjwatson: ok, do you think it'll be working for herd 1 or will that be hard to achieve? [10:47] Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/python-qt4/+bug/67300 ; any idea about this? [10:47] Malone bug 67300 in python-qt4 "python-qt4 FTBFS in edgy, broken QT environment?" [High,Confirmed] [10:47] Mithrandir: I don't see how you can do Herd 1 without the installer being merged enough to work ... [10:48] I strongly suspect it's in a half-working state at the moment === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:49] cjwatson: well, herd 1 would have to wait until the installer works most of the time at least. [10:49] cjwatson: my poorly-phrased question was intended to find out if the original timeline was still feasible. [10:51] Mithrandir: ... except that it doesn't actually work; dhcdbd doesn't seem to call the dhclient enter/exit hook scripts; I'll figure that out, though [10:52] Mithrandir: mm. hard to tell yet. I hope to have a better idea by the end of today === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra would appreciate a delay ... but well ... === cjwatson would not. you snooze, you lose. :) [10:54] :) [10:55] it doesn't matter if big chunks of the system are still unmerged, as long as it works at all [10:55] i didnt have the time to do more than merges yet, i dont even know if my seeds are fine ... (but worst case i'd skip herd1) [10:55] i skipped the first milestone for edgy as welll ... [10:55] cjwatson: ok, thanks. [10:56] ogra: kubuntu is probably skipping; this is more to see if we have our shit somewhat holding together than anything else, really. [10:56] yep, as it was in edgy ... [10:56] traditionally we have done the first milestone as soon as the installer works. [10:56] lets see, if i arrive home in 4-5h i'll check the seeds ... [10:57] what's to check? [10:57] i anyway have no rea idea how i will split them for the two CD thing ... [10:57] updating seeds is an ongoing process [10:57] *real [10:57] ogra: I suggest you don't try to do that for herd1. [10:57] (but thats indeed nothing for herd1) [10:57] the feisty seeds should basically work OK as they stand [10:57] right [10:58] would anybody mind if I unseeded ndiswrapper-utils (without version)? [10:58] http://www.wazobialinux.com/ [10:58] ^ awesome -> check the graphic for "news" [10:58] it just gives us 1.1 now [10:58] i'd like to at least have an updated set of metapackages before building any CD, but that should work in time before thursday [10:58] IIRC ndiswrapper-utils was eventually supposed to be dropped in favour of the versioned packages [10:58] ogra: do that now, then. There should be nothing blocking it. [10:59] me boarding a plane in 10-15min blocks it from doing it *now* but i'll care tonight ... [10:59] ;) [10:59] s/do/delegate/ [11:00] i'm fine doing it myself ... no worries ... [11:00] fabbione: another fun one for you ; bug 59983 [11:00] Malone bug 59983 in ndiswrapper "ndiswrapper in edgy broken" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/59983 [11:00] Mithrandir: i don't have anything to test ndiswrapper... [11:00] die ndiswrapper die ! [11:01] and why people keep reassigning me bugs... [11:01] fabbione: I think "people" in this case is your manager. ;-) [11:01]