| zul__ | do do do | 12:41 |
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| BenC | kylem: If it fixes bugs, then it's definitely a candidate for proposed-updates | 01:58 |
| zul | hey BenC | 01:58 |
| BenC | hey zul | 01:58 |
| kylem | BenC, the vendor driver is pretty crap... | 01:59 |
| zul | BenC: bravo :) | 03:44 |
| BenC | zul: for what? | 03:49 |
| zul | the posting to the -devel ml | 03:52 |
| BenC | heh, I'm getting tired of feeling like everyone's personal fuck toy... | 03:53 |
| zul | i can understand | 03:54 |
| ajmitch | "why didn't you do this?!? it's *critical*" | 03:54 |
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| zul_ | night.. | 04:35 |
| ajmitch | seems that vmware module patching wasn't entirely correct, tcpdump is showing a lot of invalid checksums | 05:48 |
| ajmitch | needed to be CHECKSUM_PARTIAL, not CHECKSUM_COMPLETE | 06:01 |
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| fabbione | BenC: gfs1 in .19 is totally busted | 07:40 |
| fabbione | i am afraid some of the porting bits you did are not 100% correct | 07:40 |
| Mithrandir | BenC: regarding 14908 ; it's marked as "later" which means I need it fixed ASAP; any chance you could get to it soonish? | 08:09 |
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| AnAnt | BenC: ping | 09:37 |
| AnAnt | anyone here ? | 09:37 |
| neuralis | AnAnt: what's up? | 09:40 |
| AnAnt | the PREEMPT thing | 09:43 |
| AnAnt | what is CONFIG_PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY ? | 09:43 |
| AnAnt | what's the difference between CONFIG_PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY & CONFIG_PREEMPT ? | 09:43 |
| AnAnt | and what has Timer frequency value to do with the PREEMPT option ? | 09:44 |
| AnAnt | neuralis: hello ? | 09:48 |
| neuralis | these are general questions; you might wish to google around or read the source. | 09:52 |
| neuralis | (you're asking questions about standard operating systems theory.) | 09:52 |
| AnAnt | what should I search for there ? | 10:05 |
| AnAnt | ok, I can turn on KERNEL_PREEMPT at run time ? do I understand correctly ? | 10:10 |
| Mithrandir | BenC: shouldn't 65106 be marked as fix released now ? | 10:45 |
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| AnAnt | how can I find out the KERNEL compile options ? | 11:56 |
| AnAnt | I am using the generic kernel | 11:56 |
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| willvdl | hi folks, does edgy kernel have i2c support by default? | 12:43 |
| willvdl | [struggling with lmsensors] | 12:43 |
| AnAnt | you can know from /boot/config-$(uname -a) | 12:48 |
| AnAnt | oops sorry | 12:48 |
| AnAnt | you can know from /boot/config-$(uname -r) | 12:48 |
| AnAnt | in the -generic kernel I2C is compiled as modules | 12:49 |
| AnAnt | ie. you can modprobe it | 12:49 |
| pradeep | willvdl, ^ | 12:51 |
| willvdl | one sec | 12:51 |
| willvdl | config-2.6.17-10-generic | 12:52 |
| willvdl | AnAnt, what should I be modprobing? | 12:52 |
| AnAnt | willvdl: dunno | 12:54 |
| willvdl | ah, good point. thanks though | 12:54 |
| AnAnt | can I turn on KERNEL_PREEMPT at run or boot time ? | 12:54 |
| AnAnt | willvdl: I never used I2C | 12:55 |
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| === Topic for #ubuntu-kernel: Ubuntu kernel development discussion ONLY | Kernel Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryKernel | 2.6.19-6.9 uploaded - This is a bad bear. Use it, but there are still a few missing modules. | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu-kernel): set by kylem at Sun Nov 26 21:43:42 2006 | ||
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| BenC | AnAnt: PREEMPT is a compile time option only | 02:21 |
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| fabbione | BenC: can you please pull from my feisty branch on people in a tree that you can kill and tell me if the commit log is ok? | 02:32 |
| fabbione | (there is only one commit to update GFS= | 02:32 |
| BenC | fabbione: pulled, looks good | 02:39 |
| fabbione | BenC: ok thanks | 02:39 |
| fabbione | gfs1 is still fux0red | 02:39 |
| fabbione | but i have some gfs2 fixes to push to you soon | 02:39 |
| AnAnt | BenC: I saw on some website that it can be configured in run/boot time, was that in earlier 2.6 kernels ? | 02:40 |
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| kylem | ugh. so much spam. | 03:21 |
| zul | meh...feels like im wearing concrete blocks for shoes | 03:24 |
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| Mithrandir | BenC: if you could respond to my questions in backlog, that'd be useful. | 03:32 |
| BenC | Mithrandir: Looks like userspace stuff | 03:34 |
| BenC | Mithrandir: I'll look into it | 03:34 |
| Mithrandir | sure, 14908 is userspace stuff; it's kernel packaging. | 03:35 |
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| BenC | Mithrandir: Ah, I see, the file touching thing | 03:46 |
| Mithrandir | BenC: yup, exactly. | 03:46 |
| zul | *sigh* they might be replacing the mail server at work exchange.. | 03:51 |
| JanC | zul: I hope you don't mean "* by Exchange" ? :-/ | 03:54 |
| zul | yeah with exchange...i need more coffee | 03:54 |
| JanC | well, you will need lots of coffee if they do (for waiting ;) ) | 03:55 |
| zul | im not touching it | 03:55 |
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| Keybuk | <kay> tree /sys/module/usbcore/ | 04:13 |
| Keybuk | <kay> /sys/module/usbcore/ | 04:13 |
| Keybuk | <kay> |-- drivers | 04:13 |
| Keybuk | <kay> | |-- hub -> ../../../subsystem/usb/drivers/hub | 04:13 |
| Keybuk | <kay> | |-- usb -> ../../../subsystem/usb/drivers/usb | 04:13 |
| Keybuk | <kay> | `-- usbfs -> ../../../subsystem/usb/drivers/usbfs | 04:13 |
| Keybuk | <kay> |-- initstate | 04:13 |
| Keybuk | <kay> |-- parameters | 04:13 |
| Keybuk | <kay> | |-- blinkenlights | 04:13 |
| Keybuk | <kay> | |-- multithread_probe | 04:13 |
| Keybuk | <kay> | |-- nousb | 04:13 |
| Keybuk | <kay> | |-- old_scheme_first | 04:13 |
| Keybuk | <kay> | |-- usbfs_snoop | 04:13 |
| Keybuk | <kay> | `-- use_both_schemes | 04:13 |
| Keybuk | <kay> |-- refcnt | 04:13 |
| Keybuk | <kay> i already have that :) | 04:13 |
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| BenC | infinity: ping | 06:27 |
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| badock | hello all | 07:12 |
| badock | i'd like to know something : if i want to cross-compile kernel for my ubuntu machine, can i do it on another machine, by just 'making' the sources with the .config of my ubuntu machine ? | 07:14 |
| kylem | hmm, redhat defaults to HZ=1000 | 07:41 |
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| BenC | kylem: what about preempt | 08:38 |
| kylem | same as us | 08:39 |
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| kylem | voluntary and preempt the bkl | 08:40 |
| === kylem agrees that HZ=1000 is not appropriate for most lapto pusers though. | ||
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| dade` | kylem: I read a pdf where it says that changing hz from 1000 to 100 affects battery life for something like 2% | 08:45 |
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| JanC | hm, I use my laptops with the AC cable 90% of the time :) | 08:58 |
| JanC | and 2% isn't really significant | 08:59 |
| JanC | the applications I use have more impact on battery life than that | 08:59 |
| JanC | (if that 2% is correct) | 09:00 |
| JanC | e.g. one bug in edgy's nautilus might have like 20-30% impact on battery life... | 09:02 |
| BenC | JanC: I think he means it affects 2% of people | 09:05 |
| JanC | dade`: can you clarify? :) | 09:06 |
| dade` | wait, i'm not so good in english, i try to find the pdf | 09:07 |
| dade` | http://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/lenb/acpi/doc/OLS2006-bltk-paper.pdf | 09:08 |
| dade` | is there a way to turn off bluetooth ? | 09:12 |
| JanC | it looks like 1000Hz isn't really a problem for laptop users when the system is idle | 09:12 |
| dade` | there is something else that wastes power energy | 09:13 |
| dade` | HZ seems to be not so important | 09:14 |
| dade` | I did some lame test on my macbook, osx consumes 1200/1300 mah, linux does ~1800 idling on same conditions | 09:15 |
| dade` | and on heavy load the difference is even bigger | 09:16 |
| JanC | that doesn't compare interrupt frequency on linux though :) | 09:16 |
| JanC | 'I wish the linux test labs funded by the major linux distributions would do such tests...) | 09:17 |
| JanC | * and major linux service providers * | 09:18 |
| JanC | I mean, what are they doing with all that money from IBM & co. ? ;-) | 09:18 |
| dade` | do you have a laptop ? wich one ? | 09:19 |
| dade` | which | 09:19 |
| JanC | I have an Intel Core Duo 2300 (Centrino) | 09:20 |
| JanC | local brand laptop based on an MSI "barebone" | 09:21 |
| dade` | ok | 09:21 |
| dade` | i tried to boot without loading ANY bluetooth module | 09:21 |
| dade` | and my bluetooth mouse just works | 09:21 |
| dade` | funny huh ? | 09:21 |
| JanC | dade`: udev ? :) | 09:55 |
| dade` | udev what ? | 09:56 |
| JanC | how do you load no bluetooth? | 09:56 |
| dade` | if the module is not loaded bluetooth sould be off | 09:56 |
| JanC | udev will (should) load all necessary modules when it's needed... | 09:57 |
| dade` | when it's needed | 09:57 |
| dade` | lsmod showed no bluetooth module loaded | 09:59 |
| dade` | isn't this enough ? | 10:00 |
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| lehaid | hi | 10:00 |
| JanC | before or after using the bluetooth mouse? | 10:00 |
| lehaid | what the most recommended place to read about compiling my own ubuntu-kernel for 6.06? | 10:01 |
| JanC | lehaid: see /topic | 10:02 |
| dade` | before | 10:02 |
| dade` | i guess | 10:03 |
| JanC | dade`: it's possible tha tudev just loaded that driver after that then? | 10:03 |
| dade` | no | 10:03 |
| dade` | i look at it while using the mouse | 10:03 |
| JanC | in that case, i can only imagine some sort of BIOS emulation :) | 10:03 |
| dade` | yes it looks like an usb mouse | 10:04 |
| dade` | but i don't care about this, i just wanted to power off bluetooth to save energy ! | 10:04 |
| dade` | and there is no way | 10:04 |
| lehaid | i want to compile an kernel module which packages should i have besides the linux-headers or is it enough ? | 10:15 |
| JanC | dade`: remove all bluetooth drivers :) | 10:16 |
| JanC | or maybe you can disable bluetooth fysically | 10:17 |
| dade` | i think it works anyway | 10:17 |
| dade` | there is no hw button in macbooks | 10:17 |
| lehaid | anybody know what i need besides that? | 10:17 |
| lehaid | shouldn't /usr/include/linux hold the kernel headers? | 10:37 |
| zul | right im heading home...later.. | 10:38 |
| ajmitch | bye zul | 10:41 |
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| crimsun | BenC: thanks for -lowlatency! | 11:08 |
| BenC | crimsun: :) | 11:21 |
| tormod | BenC: you confirmed bug #72765, with no comment. Did you reproduce it yourself? | 11:34 |
| BenC | tormad: I confirmed it based on your answers...you seemed to be confident that it was only reproducible with 2.6.19 kernels and not 2.6.17 | 11:35 |
| BenC | tormad: Is my faith in your confidence misplaced? :) | 11:35 |
| tormod | benc, of course not (but yout spelling is :) I was just curious if you saw it somewhere else. | 11:36 |
| BenC | tormod: ok, I just marked it as such to make sure I keep an eye on it...I have nothing to work with yet, unless you are willing to do a git-bisect to recompile the kernel a bunch of times to nail down the commit that started it | 11:38 |
| tormod | benc, I wonder if it has to with the pata transition. Is there a way I kind force the old pata back? | 11:39 |
| tormod | s/kind/can (I spell funny today too) | 11:40 |
| BenC | if you download the kernel source you should be able to compile just the ide module and try it out | 11:41 |
| BenC | you'd have to move it to /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/ide/pci/, blacklist the pata module and rerun "sudo update-initramfs" | 11:42 |
| tormod | can I not remove some module from the initrd | 11:42 |
| BenC | the old ide module is not being built for your chipset if you now have a pata module | 11:42 |
| tormod | would that be the ide/pci/via82cxxx.ko module in my case? | 11:45 |
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| tormod | benc, thanks, I will look into this (but not tonight). | 11:57 |
| tormod | benc, just one more question, through which module/src file is the "stop" sent to the drives? | 11:58 |
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