[12:34] <jenda> aw
[01:03] <jono> Burgundavia: ping!
[01:04] <Burgundavia> jono: pong
[01:04] <jono> Burgundavia: want to skype?
[01:04] <Burgundavia> need to install it, just a sec
[01:04] <jono> ok give me a few mins to get downstairs too
[01:10] <poningru> quick question how does one make screen cap vids?
[01:10] <poningru> istanbul seems pretty lame
[01:10] <Burgundavia> need sound or not?
[01:10] <Burgundavia> what format are you looking for?
[01:11] <poningru> hmm
[01:11] <poningru> hold on
[01:12] <poningru> no sound any format
[01:14] <Burgundavia> bynanz does gif
[01:15] <poningru> oh hmm
[02:43] <theCore> Burgundavia, ping
[03:17] <Burgundavia> theCore: pong
[03:19] <Burgundavia> hey Madpilot, rex
[03:19] <Madpilot> hi Burgundavia 
[03:20] <Madpilot> enjoying the snow?
[03:21] <Burgundavia> indeed
[03:22] <Burgundavia> did you lose power at any point?
[03:23] <Madpilot> we did here, briefly. I was up at the airport all day, it flickered a few times and made the UPS boxes complain, but never went out.
[04:10] <somerville32> Are we going to get 23 out tonight?
[04:11] <somerville32> :)
[04:29] <theCore> Burgundavia, you been quoted on Linux.com
[04:29] <Burgundavia> yep
[04:29] <Burgundavia> and slashdot and arstechnica
[04:30] <elkbuntu> he's been quoted all over the place the past weekend
[04:30] <theCore> whoa
[04:30] <theCore> they consider you as a developer
[04:30] <theCore> see you're developer now
[04:31] <Burgundavia> funny, given I have met joe
[04:33] <poningru> joe?
[04:33] <somerville32> That writer of the article.
[04:34] <poningru> oh
[04:34] <poningru> gotcha
[04:36] <somerville32> So... UWN23?
[04:36] <somerville32> Burgundavia: Are you feeling better?
[04:37] <Burgundavia> yep, but still tired
[04:39] <somerville32> Are we going to roll out UWN23 tonight?
[04:40] <Burgundavia> yep
[04:40] <Burgundavia> I need to poke at my UWN queyue
[05:35] <Burgundavia> somerville32: can you add a bit about http://behindubuntu.org/interviews/JonoBacon/
[05:35] <Burgundavia> jenda: around?
[05:35] <somerville32> I already did
[05:35] <Burgundavia> oh, right
[05:36] <somerville32> :)
[05:37] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeamMeeting20061124 <-- short para on that?
[05:37] <somerville32> Sure :)
[05:37] <Burgundavia> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-November/022542.html
[05:38] <somerville32> k
[05:38] <Burgundavia> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/sounder/2006-November/009449.html
[05:40] <Burgundavia> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2006-November/000806.html
[05:41] <Burgundavia> http://thamizh.ubuntuforums.org/ <-- new tamil forums
[05:53] <somerville32> Ack1
[05:53] <somerville32> Wiki bug!
[05:59] <mpt> Rheet!
[05:59] <Burgundavia> hey mpt
[06:00] <Burgundavia> I think it probably needs a "what makes this an interesting release" bit
[06:00] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, well we did already ditch the feature thing for the spec thing
[06:01] <Burgundavia> true, but covering new crack in Feisty is importnat
[06:02] <poningru> mpt: RHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET
[06:02] <elkbuntu> on the topic of version numbers, i think keeping them for security has a valid purpose, and it's not a huge web of alphanumeric babble
[06:02] <poningru> thats a first here
[06:02] <poningru> :D
[06:02] <poningru> whats there to be done?
[06:02] <Burgundavia> we are discussing the Feisty section
[06:02] <somerville32> Colin Watson is a Canonical employee right?
[06:02] <Burgundavia> yepo
[06:02] <mpt> correct Kees Cook's name :-)
[06:02] <somerville32> Also, I'm editing the page right now (just so you all know, haha)
[06:03] <elkbuntu> somerville32, that's why we're adding things to your todo list
[06:03] <somerville32> haha
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[06:03] <poningru> why not gobby it?
[06:03] <Burgundavia> here is a thought: I can dump all the interesting releases on a page and we can attack them as a team
[06:03] <Burgundavia> go out there and see if we can find a changelog
[06:04] <Burgundavia> ?
[06:04] <poningru> mmk
[06:04] <elkbuntu> that sounds like work
[06:04] <Burgundavia> yes, yes it does
[06:04] <Burgundavia> not much, however, if we all do it
[06:05] <Burgundavia> we can also be ruthless
[06:05] <Burgundavia> if we cannot find a changelog, we drop it
[06:07] <poningru> dump it then good sir
[06:07] <elkbuntu> we can try it.. awaiting somerville32's go-ahead for gobby dumping
[06:07] <Burgundavia> right then
[06:08] <Burgundavia> somerville32: finish up what you are doing in the next 30 secs, save and then dump to gobby
[06:09] <somerville32> Yes, Sir!
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[06:09] <Burgundavia> ok, applications list is up in gobby
[06:10] <Burgundavia> is nasty looking, but I think we can handle it
[06:10] <poningru> one of these days I have to clean up that sucker
[06:10] <somerville32> Ok, saved.
[06:10] <Burgundavia> you do
[06:11] <somerville32> Whats the address and port?
[06:11] <poningru> 72-209-68-178
[06:11] <poningru> and port is the default
[06:11] <poningru> 6522 iirc
[06:11] <poningru> password ufl@ftw
[06:13] <Burgundavia> when you take an application to research, copy it over to the main page, to tell people that you are working on that
[06:13] <Burgundavia> somerville32: dump the raw wiki text on gobby
[06:13] <Burgundavia> if you cannot find an upstream changelog, ditch it
[06:15] <somerville32> Ok
[06:16] <Burgundavia> http://qsynth.sourceforge.net/qsynth-index.html <-- there is a good example of a good upstream changes file
[06:16] <somerville32> Ok pasted raw intto UWN23
[06:16] <Burgundavia> for larger projects like KDE and GNOME, simply link to the larger changelog
[06:17] <Burgundavia> make sure you mention the uploader
[06:17] <Burgundavia> version number is only important if this is a major new version
[06:17] <Burgundavia> poningru: dig into qsythn
[06:18] <poningru> k
[06:19] <poningru> Burgundavia: where do you want the changelogs to go?
[06:20] <poningru> under each update thing?
[06:20] <Burgundavia> I will write an example
[06:20] <Admiral_Chicago> blah the website to UWN 22 made my computer crawl for no good reason
[06:22] <Burgundavia> see the example
[06:24] <poningru> should I put in another title?
[06:24] <Burgundavia> nope
[06:24] <poningru> [06:24] <poningru> k
[07:36] <imbrandon> moins all
[07:39] <elkbuntu> imbrandon, we're in gobby with the UWN, if you want any last words
[07:40] <elkbuntu> 72.209.68.178 ufl@ftw
[07:44] <imbrandon> i think i'm good this time, you all probably got it covered, my big stuff will be next week ( beryl is in the NEW queue now heheh )
[07:44] <Burgundavia> who is this person? towsonu2003
[07:44] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: beryl!!!!!!!!#!@!@#$!!!! yay crack!Q@W#$!@!!@#$#Q$^@#$
[07:46] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: hahaha
[07:46] <imbrandon> yea
[07:46] <imbrandon> my thoughts too
[07:46] <Burgundavia> boy that was fun
[07:46] <imbrandon> i'm reaming upstream atm over some of their bugs
[07:46] <imbrandon> :)
[07:47] <Burgundavia> can I join? I have a bigger spoon
[07:47] <elkbuntu> hehehe
[07:49] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: hehe
[07:58] <elkbuntu> hmm.. dad has a metre long memorial wooden spoon somewhere
[07:58] <Burgundavia> perfect
[08:05] <somerville32> Ugh oh.
[08:06] <somerville32> I think gobby froze on me
[08:08] <Burgundavia> hmm, fu n
[08:09] <Burgundavia> it does that occasionally
[08:09] <jenda> somerville32: @ your ping...
[08:09] <jenda> maybe too informative :)
[08:09] <jenda> "a free Ubuntu Poster, like the one bellow, for free!"
[08:10] <somerville32> Gak
[08:10] <jenda> somerville32: wait... I like it ;)
[08:10] <somerville32> hehe
[08:10] <somerville32> :D
[08:10] <jenda> but it should be more obvious that it's intentional...
[08:11] <somerville32> "...a free Ubuntu Poster, like the one bellow, for extra free!"?
[08:11] <jenda> see now.
[08:12] <jenda> or...
[08:12] <somerville32> :)
[08:12] <jenda> we are the free software world, afterall :)
[08:13] <jenda> BTW, even if you don't win the poster, they only cost $1 ;)
[08:13] <somerville32> hehe
[08:13] <somerville32> Jenda: Can you release the lock on the wiki page so I can import from gobby?
[08:13] <elkbuntu> hmm... mine didnt arrive yet :(
[08:13] <jenda> elkbuntu: patience, some have arrived just yesterday.
[08:13] <jenda> somerville32: how?
[08:14] <somerville32> It's ok, I think you already did
[08:14] <somerville32> :)
[08:14] <jenda> 
[08:14] <somerville32> Burgundavia: Are you going to put the table of contents back in?
[08:14] <elkbuntu> jenda, but but.. they're so awesome i want to huggle them
[08:14] <Burgundavia> hmm
[08:15] <jenda> BTW, somerville32, you might want to put [:CodySomerville: Cody Somerville]  in the credits instead (up to you)
[08:15] <jenda> elkbuntu: hehe :) let's hope they gets there soon :)
[08:15] <somerville32> Jenda: kk :)
[08:16] <Burgundavia> jenda: umm, no moinism in the UWN
[08:16] <somerville32> Jenda: How much to order posters agian?
[08:16] <somerville32> lol
[08:16] <somerville32> We missed something
[08:17] <somerville32> Changes in Feisty (Not finished)
[08:17] <Burgundavia> got it
[08:17] <somerville32> :)
[08:18] <elkbuntu> well.. it sorta would have fit even if it slipped through
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[08:18] <elkbuntu> it might have been good to remind people that feisty isnt finished yet ;)
[08:19] <somerville32> Alright!
[08:19] <somerville32> Lets get started on issue 24 now! :D
[08:20] <Burgundavia> go ahead
[08:21] <somerville32> :] 
[08:26] <Burgundavia> read to send. Last check
[08:27] <somerville32> Found typo
[08:27] <somerville32> organisations
[08:27] <somerville32> It is spelt with a z, right?
[08:27] <Burgundavia> that is not a typo
[08:28] <Burgundavia> s is international, z is american
[08:28] <somerville32> Thats not what Firefox 2.0 tells me <g>
[08:28] <somerville32> Oh
[08:28] <somerville32> Stupid Firefox
[08:28] <somerville32> icident is a typo though
[08:31] <Burgundavia> fix it
[08:32] <somerville32> Ok, done
[08:34] <poningru> err what happened?
[08:34] <Burgundavia> one last readthrough
[08:34] <poningru> sorry had an impromptu alacloud.net meeting
[08:37] <somerville32> :] 
[08:39] <Burgundavia> ok, we ready?
[08:41] <jenda> err...
[08:41] <jenda> sorry, was away.
[08:41] <jenda> breakfasting.
[08:41] <Burgundavia> jenda: one last sanity check
[08:41] <jenda> somerville32: posters are $(5 + x)
[08:42] <somerville32> Jenda: How many people have ordered?
[08:42] <jenda> somerville32: dunno about people, but sent over 300 posters
[08:43] <somerville32> All happy campers? :] 
[08:43] <jenda> I think so, except elkbuntu who's still waiting ;)
[08:44] <elkbuntu> yeah... mean post office...
[08:44] <elkbuntu> i want posters to huggle
[08:44] <somerville32> Ever shipped to Canada?
[08:44] <jenda> several times, I believe.
[08:44] <somerville32> And what currency is this in?
[08:45] <jenda> USD
[08:45] <Burgundavia> fix it
[08:46] <jenda> will do
[08:46] <jenda> I just saw the calling all LoCos
[08:46] <jenda> what type of stuff are you interested in?
[08:46] <jenda> ie. - we had a meeting last week.
[08:47] <Burgundavia> what you are doing
[08:47] <jenda> fixing
[08:47] <jenda> fixed
[08:47] <somerville32> Jenda: I'll buy 10 posters.
[08:48] <jenda> somerville32: cool, lemme just finish reading this thrilling piece of thing, and I'll note ya
[08:48] <elkbuntu> jenda, newsworthy stuff mostly. we're not really after 'joe blogg's cds arrived'
[08:48] <jenda> somerville32: as with all monday-orders, you are lucky, because they'll get shipped out immediately.
[08:48] <somerville32> I'll pay with paypal
[08:48] <somerville32> :] 
[08:49] <somerville32> Whats your e-mail address?
[08:49] <Burgundavia> lets focus on getting this UWN out
[08:49] <jenda> elkbuntu: how about 'joe blogg scheduled a meeting, and got terribly pwned over the reservation of a pub, as the pub he chose was already reserved, so had to wait in front of it for the rest of the team and had to drag them across town till they found an open one?"
[08:49] <jenda> indeed
[08:50] <jenda> somerville32: just a sec :)
[08:50] <elkbuntu> jenda, not quite, unless a crapload of cds and merch got distributed :)
[08:50] <jenda> Burgundavia: can I add a bit about the Irish team's forum?
[08:50] <jenda> adding
[08:52] <jenda> added
[08:53] <somerville32> :)
[08:53] <jenda> guys, is the formulation "As per usual," english?
[08:54] <Burgundavia> yes
[08:54] <somerville32> Found typo
[08:55] <jenda> ok
[08:55] <somerville32> Fixed.
[08:55] <somerville32> KAdressBook -> KAddressBook :)
[08:58] <jenda> screen-casts or screencasts?
[08:58] <Madpilot> one word
[09:00] <jenda> gotcha
[09:00] <jenda> Madpilot: payment received, thx - did teh posters get there?
[09:01] <Madpilot> jenda, don't think they're here yet; my mailing address isn't my residence, tho
[09:01] <jenda> ah, ok
[09:02] <jenda> OK, I'm done reading.
[09:02] <somerville32> ok :)
[09:02] <somerville32> What is your e-mail address?
[09:03] <jenda> somerville32: depends, do you want to pay by paypal directly, or by credit/debit card?
[09:03] <somerville32> paypal directly
[09:03] <jenda> jenda at ubuntu dot com
[09:03] <jenda> fifteen dollars please ;)
[09:04] <Burgundavia> somerville32: you done editing?
[09:04] <Burgundavia> jenda: ?
[09:04] <jenda> Burgundavia: done
[09:04] <somerville32> Yup
[09:04] <somerville32> Done.
[09:05] <Burgundavia> ok
[09:05] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: you done?
[09:05] <elkbuntu> i wasnt touching it... other things atm
[09:05] <Burgundavia> ok
[09:05] <somerville32> Jenda: Aren't you going to ask me for my mailing address? :P
[09:05] <jenda> somerville32: no, paypal will tell me
[09:06] <somerville32> Oh, cool :)
[09:06] <jenda> 
[09:06] <somerville32> Whats your local currency?
[09:07] <jenda> CZK
[09:07] <jenda> Czech Koruna
[09:08] <jenda> somerville32: what's your shipping address? :)
[09:09] <somerville32> lol
[09:09] <jenda> (feel free to PM)
[09:09] <somerville32> I thought you said it attached it with paypal payment
[09:09] <jenda> yes, but I need the address now, while you can pay with paypal at your leisure.
[09:17] <poningru> woot
[09:17] <poningru> so wait what did we miss?
[09:17] <Burgundavia> nothing
[09:17] <Burgundavia> work on 24
[09:19] <poningru> or go to sleep
[09:19] <poningru> class in the morn... then make pirate art... then job interview
[09:19] <poningru> hooray for 5 hours of sleep
[09:19] <poningru> nn guys
[09:19] <Burgundavia> we need to cover the Mark thingy next week
[09:19] <Burgundavia> avoiding it just makes it worse
[09:19] <Burgundavia> http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/7486/997/
[09:20] <poningru> Burgundavia++
[09:20] <somerville32> Somerville32++
[09:20] <Burgundavia> start adding links, like that one, to something
[09:21] <Burgundavia> and add a note "DON'T START WRITING THIS ARTICLE"
[09:21] <Burgundavia> we will write the article in gobby
[09:21] <Burgundavia> where it will not sit, half finished, for a week on a wiki page
[09:21] <somerville32> Who is "we", btw?
[09:21] <Burgundavia> the lot of us
[09:21] <somerville32> The lot of us FTW :)
[09:23] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, WRT that link, what did I say last night about "How to Poach Devs, by SABDFL"? ;)
[09:23] <Burgundavia> yep
[09:24] <somerville32> We'll want to make sure we're completly objective, right?
[09:24] <Burgundavia> absolutely
[09:24] <Burgundavia> exactly why we are going to write in gobby, so we can arrive at consensus together
[09:25] <somerville32> IMHO, this whole fighting just uses up valuable creativity and energy that could have been put into making the Linux Desktop better.
[09:25] <Burgundavia> indeed, that will be the primary point I think we will want to make
[09:26] <somerville32> I read the OpenSuse ml and some of the responses were very colourful
[09:26] <somerville32> And they were _very_ mean
[09:26] <Burgundavia> some of the reponses were less than civl
[09:26] <Burgundavia> some were quite insightful
[09:31] <somerville32> How do you modify the template?
[09:32] <somerville32> Oh, I think I figured it out.
[09:36] <Burgundavia> ok, added lots of links
[09:37] <somerville32> Burgundavia: I've updated the things we discussed in the template.
[09:38] <Burgundavia> ok, cool
[09:38] <Burgundavia> can you update 24 to reflect those changes?
[09:38] <somerville32> Yup :)
[09:39] <Burgundavia> thanks
[09:39] <somerville32> We should do the accelerated-x specification for the specification spotlight since it is a hot hot topic right now
[09:40] <Burgundavia> cover all the X specs
[09:40] <Burgundavia> bulletproofX and composite by default
[09:41] <somerville32> Sure :)
[09:41] <Madpilot> night all
[10:12] <elkbuntu> "<somerville32> IMHO, this whole fighting ... " ... not to mention it's detracting from the event
[10:15] <somerville32> eh?
[10:17] <elkbuntu> somerville32, i thought, given madpilot's remark previously, that your comment was about the open week, and was commenting that the fighting is more than just being a waste of energy, it's also putting a sour note over the whole event
[10:18] <somerville32> That too
[10:21] <tonyyarusso> I'm looking forward to open week stuff, although a lot of it's during class.
[10:25] <Burgundavia> I am worried that the openweek stuff is going to be overshadowed by this opensuse stuff
[10:26] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, it already has been
[10:26] <Burgundavia> to a certain extent, yes
[10:26] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, people arent talking about the open week, they're talking about poaching
[10:27] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:28] <tonyyarusso> You know what I'm gonna do?  Blog about open week and not say a word about the other crap.
[10:28] <somerville32> :D
[10:28] <Burgundavia> good plan
[10:28] <tonyyarusso> Actually, that's all my readership is likely to care about anyway.
[10:29] <Burgundavia> tonyyarusso: you an Ubuntu member yet?
[10:29] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: No
[10:29] <Burgundavia> fix that
[10:29] <tonyyarusso> Yes master
[10:29] <Burgundavia> good boy :)
[10:29] <tonyyarusso> I'm waiting to see if the next CC meeting is a time I can make
[10:30] <Burgundavia> jono gave me no timeframe, but said he would look into it
[10:30] <tonyyarusso> My biggest worry at this point is that it will fall either a) during an exam, or b) during the early-evening hours over Christmas break.
[10:31] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, i did similar... except i acknowledged controversy
[10:31] <somerville32> I want to become a member
[10:31] <tonyyarusso> If a, clearly I'm screwed, and if b, my family would be pissed if I hogged the phone line for as long as those meetings take (and given the length of agenda so far, I'm thinking 6 hours)
[10:32] <somerville32> brb
[10:33] <elkbuntu> fwiw, the agenda needs updating
[10:34] <tonyyarusso> Ah crud, another e-acronym I don't know.
[10:34] <elkbuntu> for what it's worth
[10:35] <tonyyarusso> Ah
[10:36] <tonyyarusso> Maybe I'd be able to schedule myself for a particular time in the CC meeting - that would be handy
[10:36] <elkbuntu> about 1/3rd of those people have gone before the CC, the irc discussion i believe was dismissed as lacking clear arguement, and im not sure the translation leader thing is relevant any longer
[10:37] <Burgundavia> better to let it sit, however
[10:38] <Burgundavia> rather than preemptively nuke somethign and have somebody get annoyed over it
[10:38] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, yea. i have no intention of playing with the CC agenda plge
[10:38] <elkbuntu> page*
[10:38] <Burgundavia> ok, just checking
[10:39] <elkbuntu> i'd like for this thing attached to my neck remain that way
[10:40] <elkbuntu> lol
[10:40] <Burgundavia> ok, my boss spent his Saturday updating the company wiki on our offices
[10:42] <Burgundavia> Website_Sumbission_Forms <-- actual name of a page on the company wiki
[10:43] <Burgundavia> anyway, is almost 2
[10:43] <Burgundavia> need to sleep
[10:44] <somerville32> Almost 6am here :] 
[10:44] <Burgundavia> crazy
[10:44] <tonyyarusso> There's a company wiki?  Your employer is a lot more with it than most.
[10:45] <Burgundavia> not really
[10:45] <Burgundavia> it was more a case of "shiny?" "oh shiny!"
[10:47] <tonyyarusso> I just woke up.
[03:16] <YoussefAssad> Hello.
[03:17] <YoussefAssad> I'm having a spot of trouble sending mail to the list. I've been on the team for months, and every time I send something it sends it to a moderator queue, citing posting by a non-member.
[03:17] <YoussefAssad> Yes, the e-mail addy I am sending from is registered in launchpad.net
[03:22] <tonyyarusso> YoussefAssad: You should join the list
[03:22] <YoussefAssad> oh, okay. So that is distinct form the team.
[03:23] <tonyyarusso> YoussefAssad: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[03:23] <tonyyarusso> Yeah, LP teams and mailing lists aren't integrated
[03:24] <YoussefAssad> Ah, of course the quickest way to find the link is in the headers
[03:26] <YoussefAssad> though, I obviously had been subbed to that seeing how I was receiving the e-mails
[03:26] <YoussefAssad> anyho let's see if I cannow flame at will
[03:29] <YoussefAssad> oho! Works
[03:30] <YoussefAssad> I had an interesting picture which might mae a nice stock for ubuntu marketing purposes...
[03:30] <YoussefAssad> http://youssefassad.blogspot.com/2005/09/egyptian-linux-users-groups-second.html
[03:30] <YoussefAssad> ignore that, use this:  http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4359/958/1600/dsci1407.jpg
[03:54] <YoussefAssad> is there an overarching workplan for the marketing team?
[03:54] <YoussefAssad> Sorry, I'm used to thinking in workplan terms
[03:55] <tonyyarusso> The wiki page has some goals, but it's not as defined as you would likely see for an employer's plan.
[03:59] <YoussefAssad> do you think it makes sense to have somethig structured like that?
[04:06] <tonyyarusso> If you want to put it together, it might be useful for some people.  Others just do random things on the spur of the moment, so sometimes it's appropriate, sometimes not.
[04:06] <YoussefAssad> Hm. Random things.
[04:07] <YoussefAssad> I have positive experiences shepherding a LUG into structured work (a few scratches and bruises here and thee, but the results are phenomenal). I'm wondering if it might not make more sense to take a step back and think about that aspect
[04:08] <YoussefAssad> The workplan is certainly something I _can_ do (I do that with the UNDP and Grameen for bread and beer). But if such a resource would end up a disused wiki page, I won't.
[04:10] <tonyyarusso> Ask for people's thoughts on the mailing list
[05:52] <jackflap> hello?
[05:58] <YoussefAssad> hi jackflap 
[05:58] <somerville32> :)
[05:59] <jackflap> so, what plans are there to get ubuntu pre-installed on machines for sale in shops?
[06:00] <somerville32> If we get critical mass, people will start pre-installing it on machines for sale in shops :)
[06:01] <jackflap> people have already tried to start pre-installing, but microsoft leverages their muscle and stamps it out..
[06:05] <jackflap> seems like the only way to go about it is to start opening linux-friendly shops
[06:06] <jerom1> Hi all
[06:06] <jackflap> hi
[06:06] <jerom1> i would install 50 servers on Ubuntu
[06:08] <jerom1> would the Ubuntu project be interested to do a little communication around my HA platform ?
[06:28] <jerom1> ??
[06:29] <YoussefAssad> jerom1: might make a nice addition to the newsletter
[06:30] <jerom1> Yes why not !
[06:30] <YoussefAssad> jerom1: how are your writing skills? :)
[06:31] <YoussefAssad> Newsletter isn't my thing, but just thinking out loud with you. I think Corey Burger was the person running thatone
[06:31] <somerville32> Why would make a nice addition to the newsletter?
[06:31] <YoussefAssad> somerville32: why or what?
[06:31] <somerville32> Err..
[06:31] <somerville32> *What
[06:31] <somerville32> haha :)
[06:31] <YoussefAssad> somerville32: jerom1 is sitting on a 50 node HA ubuntu cluster
[06:31] <somerville32> Cool :)
[06:32] <YoussefAssad> yes it is
[06:32] <YoussefAssad> jerom1: are you good at writing?
[06:33] <jerom1> youssef: I want a little assistance well; -)
[06:34] <YoussefAssad> jerom1: tell you what. If you get approval for the story, write it and I'll clean it up for you.
[06:34] <jerom1> youssef : thanks, cool
[06:34] <YoussefAssad> jerom1: if and when, I'm at josef.assad@gmail.com
[06:35] <jerom1> ok thanks
[06:36] <jerom1> another question, canonical support service is it available now ?
[06:36] <Admiral_Chicago> jerom1: yes
[06:37] <jerom1> how to contact canonical ?
[06:38] <jerom1> i send request in online form, but i have zero response
[06:39] <YoussefAssad> jerom1: how long did you wait?
[06:39] <jerom1> three day
[06:43] <somerville32> It is the weekend
[06:44] <jerom1> non last friday
[06:45] <somerville32> You have to keep into account time zones
[06:45] <somerville32> *take
[06:46] <somerville32> I'd wait another day or three
[06:46] <somerville32> :)
[06:46] <jerom1> someville32 : oki, sorry
[06:46] <jerom1> bye
[07:04] <somerville32> Burgwork: Maybe ubuntu-marketing could do a UOW session sometime this week?
[07:04] <Burgwork> I believe elkbuntu is already doing something like that
[07:05] <somerville32> It isn't on the schedule
[07:13] <tsmithe> UOW? schedule?
[07:14] <somerville32> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[07:14] <Burgwork> http://business.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/11/27/1633208&from=rss
[07:14] <Burgwork> oh joy
[07:18] <YoussefAssad> oh joy indeed. I've made the same decision
[07:18] <somerville32>  :O
[07:19] <somerville32> I think everyone is just trying to write the blog posts that will get them quoted or placed on slashdot's front page.
[07:20] <YoussefAssad> Like sabdfl's suse letter?
[07:23] <tsmithe> ah open week. i see ;)
[07:28] <nixternal> Burgwork: i think i will chalk newsforge up as a uselss news provider now, if they are going to let people use it the way he did there (almost written with blog appeal utilizing his personal opinions)
[07:28] <Burgwork> that is just roblimo
[07:29] <YoussefAssad> I'd think that damage control would be within the mandate of the ubuntu marketing team
[07:29] <nixternal> that article is expected on /. or digg, but that is flat out idiotic to be on a major OSS news source
[07:29] <tonyyarusso> Uh oh, what happened now?
[07:29] <YoussefAssad> there certainly is some fallout from the binary drivers issue, never mind the open letter to suse devs
[07:30] <nixternal> im against the whole binary driver thing, i don't game so i don't need them...but for gamers, they need something, i think freedom should also lie in the "freedom of the user to choose what they want installed"
[07:30] <nixternal> GPL doesn't cover that oddly enough
[07:31] <tonyyarusso> Burgwork, nixternal: Care to fill me in?
[07:31] <whiprush> everyone's a lawyer now!
[07:31] <nixternal> ya
[07:31] <nixternal> haha
[07:31] <Burgwork> i don't have time to answer you all right now, but I will in time
[07:31] <Burgwork> bug me in about 9 hours
[07:32] <nixternal> when rms was here a couple of weeks ago, he was asked, what about the users freedom to install binary drivers, and he wouldn't comment, said it was against the GPL
[07:32] <whiprush> he was in here?
[07:32] <nixternal> no, at the Chicago LUG
[07:32] <nixternal> hehe
[07:32] <whiprush> oh, heh
[07:32] <nixternal> forgot to clarify that one ;p
[07:33] <YoussefAssad> I think that's being facetious. Its clear that a user has a right to play games, but that must be offset against other rights. Just because they're all rights doesn't mean some aren't mutually exclusive. I have a righ to enjoy life and I also have the right to shoot myself
[07:33] <nixternal> YoussefAssad: and i have the right to shoot you too ;p
[07:33] <Burgwork> woah, geez
[07:33] <nixternal> although, doing so takes away all my rights
[07:33] <nixternal> let me finish there Burgwork  ;)
[07:34] <YoussefAssad> nixternal: and I have the right to refuse that. There you go, contradicting rights. The values of our community defines which right takes precedence
[07:34] <nixternal> lol, yup
[07:34] <nixternal> block it/refuse it matrix style
[07:37] <nixternal> i think the user should have whatever rights they want..i don't get how we can tell them here are the rights we want you to have (although they do it here in the US)
[07:37] <nixternal> but then again, like whiprush, i am far from a lawyer, although i play one on tv
[07:37] <nixternal> s/like whiprush/like whiprush said/
[07:38] <YoussefAssad> my point is, you can't grant someone _all_ possible rights at the same time.
[07:38] <nixternal> very true
[07:38] <nixternal> i guess there does need to be a little governance on the rights
[07:45] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: such an RMS answer. "no it's against the GPL"
[07:45] <tonyyarusso> I didn't know the GPL had a clause against installing non-gpl software....
[07:45] <tonyyarusso> silly rms
[07:46] <YoussefAssad> maybe he's tired of explaining it
[07:46] <davehat> wow - that newsforge piece linked above is atrocious! Who is "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller"
[07:46] <nixternal> hehe
[07:46] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: how many CDs do you have left?L
[07:47] <nixternal> YoussefAssad: i think you are dead on with that...i recently listened to a podcast where he went off on one of the hosts concerning it
[07:47] <nixternal> Admiral_Chicago: not many
[07:47] <nixternal> do you need more? i can possibly get more dapper cds
[07:48] <nixternal> as for the edgy cds...they are almost gone..i have a couple more people to get some out to as well
[07:48] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: no i've only handed oud around 15
[07:48] <YoussefAssad> nixternal: do you have a link to where RMS said it was against the GPL?
[07:48] <tonyyarusso> davehat: what is the link?
[07:48] <nixternal> YoussefAssad: i will try and find the podcast...it was some linux only type deal
[07:48] <davehat> http://business.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/11/27/1633208&from=rss
[07:49] <davehat> posted by burgwork
[07:50] <YoussefAssad> right
[07:51] <YoussefAssad> So, according to that page, RMS says that the only circumstances under which he would conider it acceptable to use non-free software is when there genuinely is no alternative. I don't consider beryl by default to be a life-or-death thing. Call me nuts
[07:53] <somerville32> I don't think this the place to discuss beryl or it's inclusion in Ubuntu by default. :)
[07:55] <lotusleaf> YoussefAssad: how does that tie into marketing?
[07:55] <davehat> somerville32: so I take it here's not the best place to ask how to get beryl working :)
[07:55] <YoussefAssad> You're right, it is nominally off-topic.
[07:56] <somerville32> davehat: Afraid not :)
[07:56] <YoussefAssad> Damage control being out of scope for a marketing team, naturally.
[07:56] <YoussefAssad> But yes, off-topic. Apologies.
[07:58] <davehat> so, now that I've lurked in this room a good few times and finally un-lurked myself just now... what can I offer to do to pitch in with marketing?
[07:59] <davehat> is there anywhere I should go an have a look first?
[07:59] <lotusleaf> davehat: marketing team on the wiki, mailing list
[07:59] <davehat> OK, just joined the list
[08:00] <lotusleaf> davehat: marketing team page on the wiki & launchpad
[08:00] <davehat> (any particular page?)
[08:00] <Burgwork> http://lwn.net/Articles/211216/
[08:00] <davehat> oops - got it, thanks
[08:01] <lotusleaf> davehat: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam
[08:02] <lotusleaf> Burgwork: thx for the link
[08:25] <tsmithe> ping jenda
[08:27] <tsmithe> ping ping ping ping ping
[08:29] <lotusleaf> tsmithe: I tried to catch jendafish earlier, no response. I bet he's playing wesnoth
[08:29] <tsmithe> wesnoth?
[08:29] <lotusleaf> tsmithe: #wesnoth
[08:29] <lotusleaf> lol @ <cpm> no one could ever bring any anti trust action against Microsoft ever again, this has been made deeply clear.
[08:29] <lotusleaf> anyway, going to offtopic ;)
[08:29] <tsmithe> lol
[08:55] <tsmithe> ping jenda
[08:57] <tsmithe> ping ping ping ping ping
[08:57] <tsmithe> bah
[08:59] <tsmithe> ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping p
[08:59] <tsmithe> ing ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping pi
[08:59] <tsmithe> ng ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping pin
[08:59] <tsmithe> g ping jendA!
[08:59] <somerville32> Gak!
[09:00] <tsmithe> :)
[09:00] <lotusleaf> holy goetia, mother of baal
[09:00] <lotusleaf> we need #ubuntu-marketing-offtopic
[09:00] <lotusleaf> tsmithe: why not send him a memo via /ms send jenda blahblah
[09:00] <tsmithe> hmm
[09:01] <tsmithe> good idea
[09:01] <tsmithe> forgot about that
[09:01] <lotusleaf> =)
[09:01] <lotusleaf> I love that feature
[09:02] <tsmithe> right, /me registers ##ubuntu-marketing-offtopic
[09:02] <ompaul> tsmithe, if you were not known doing that could get you banned very quickly and ping j is more valuable to him than all that other stuff - that just annoys people in the same channel
[09:02] <ompaul> tsmithe, there is no justification for that 
[09:02] <tsmithe> sorry
[09:02] <nixternal> muhahaha
[09:02] <ompaul> the -offtpic that
[09:02] <ompaul> is
[09:02] <nixternal> watch the spamming
[09:02] <tsmithe> will do
[09:02] <nixternal> hehe
[09:02] <nixternal> sup ompaul 
[09:02] <nixternal> lol
[09:03] <nixternal> accidents happen, but don't let them happen again ;) haha
[09:03] <tsmithe> it won't
[09:03] <tsmithe> i wont copy and paste ping in future
[09:03] <nixternal> lol...good deal
[09:03] <nixternal> now get in #ubuntu-classroom and learn about the community (and Kubuntu now)
[09:03] <ompaul> nixternal, nothing much
[09:04] <ompaul> KDE pawaaaaa no :P
[09:04] <nixternal> doh
[09:04] <tsmithe> nixternal, /me thought it was rosetta
[09:04] <nixternal> kNewSense?
[09:04] <tsmithe> oh, wait, it's now 2000
[09:04] <ompaul> hehe
[09:04] <nixternal> hehe
[09:04] <nixternal> i thought orinoco cards were closed cards..but i guess not...my lappy runs gNewSense wirelessly
[09:06] <FredLight> Greetings. ^-^
[09:06] <nixternal> greetings and salutations earthling ;p
[09:07] <ompaul> nixternal, well we went hell for leather to get out the door, we figure that as time progresses we are one of the distros that gets smaller
[09:07] <ompaul> :)
[09:07] <ompaul> if it is non free it will stop working at sime stage
[09:07] <ompaul> s/sime/some/
[09:07] <nixternal> gotcha
[09:08] <ompaul> stuff working is a bug :)
[09:08] <nixternal> it might not work in rfmon mode though
[09:08] <nixternal> which means no wifi hacking for me ;p
[09:08] <ompaul> we ripped a lot out in the driver space
[09:08] <ompaul> this is not -offtopic we really should take it there
[09:09] <nixternal> hehe...im waiting for imbrandon to give his kubuntu speach
[09:09] <ompaul> in the beginning was fvwm and then we had fvwm2, we also had xfce and wmakers
[09:10] <ompaul> I remember hacking fvwm 1.x
[09:10] <ompaul> that was fun then along came fvwm2 and it was just so much more
[09:10] <ompaul> my little mind was blown away
[09:11] <nixternal> hehe
[09:21] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: yo
[09:21] <Madpilot> greetings
[09:21] <Madpilot> snowed in, so I can't get to work. What a pity. ;)
[09:21] <Admiral_Chicago> Madpilot: that sounds awful...not
[09:22] <jenda> hehe :)
[09:22] <jenda> Hello there, folks
[09:22] <Madpilot> hi jenda 
[09:22] <jenda> A ton of us in here...
[09:22] <jenda> Madpilot: yo there.
[09:23] <jenda> Madpilot: anything new with the rough design?
[09:23] <Madpilot> jenda, not currently, but I'll have time this afternoon to update it, thanks to the snow
[09:23] <Madpilot> I'll add the complete copyright notice, for starters
[09:23] <jenda> neat-o
[09:24] <jenda> I'd really like the logo rough-ified better, but that's just me.
[09:24] <jenda> Now it seems the demand for those shirts would be rather high, so it'll probably be either me or somebody else printing them out.
[09:25] <jenda> There is a guy on the forums who seems he might be interested.
[09:25] <tsmithe> but... hmm... where i've looked prices were high
[09:25] <tsmithe> who'd pay $15 per piece?!
[09:25] <Madpilot> $15 for one t-shirt is fairly inexpensive
[09:26] <tsmithe> really?
[09:26] <Madpilot> for a logo'd limited edition shirt, yes
[09:26] <tsmithe> jenda's were prob's gonna be about $10
[09:26] <tsmithe> jenda?
[09:26] <jenda> tsmithe: I was going to charge about $15 per t
[09:26] <jenda> err..
[09:26] <tsmithe> oh
[09:26] <jenda> per t-shirt too
[09:26] <jenda> but that's shipping included.
[09:28] <tsmithe> perhaps when i do...
[09:28] <tsmithe> maybe then
[09:28] <tsmithe> 'tis a pity...
[09:30] <jenda> tsmithe: at that price, I wouldn't recommend.
[09:30] <Burgwork> Madpilot: http://www.itmanagersjournal.com/feature/21456
[09:30] <jenda> Im' buying at $6 apiece.
[09:30] <tsmithe> jenda, that's why i'm not ;)
[09:30] <jenda> But feel free to keep looking, or thinking of other things :)
[09:30] <tsmithe> mine would probs end up about $11 apeice
[09:32] <Madpilot> Burgwork, interesting
[09:34] <omgponiezlol> did you all get those last three messages. freenode took a dive on me
[09:34] <Burgwork> which ones?
[09:34] <Admiral_Chicago> Burgwork: the one about pre-orders
[09:34] <Burgwork> ah
 Madpilot: that sounds awful...not <-- last line I have
[09:35] <Admiral_Chicago> oh i said in regards to pricing, i think 15 (shipping included) is the highest most poeple would go, but I would suggest pre-orders for shirts
[09:36] <Admiral_Chicago> Burgwork: thanks
[09:38] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: did you catch my memo?
[09:38] <Madpilot> lotusleaf, did you PM me?
[09:39] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: do a /ms list
[09:39] <Madpilot> gah, sorry, I'm bad at checking my memos on IRC 
[09:39] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: np! :)
[09:39] <Admiral_Chicago> jenda and tsmithe that would be my idea for shirts, pre-orders
[09:40] <Admiral_Chicago> but i have to nap now
[09:40] <tsmithe> hmm
[09:40] <jenda> Admiral_Chicago: can you expand on the idea?
[09:40] <tsmithe> i had a poll on the forum for sizes
[09:40] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: please PM me regarding the memo if/when you get a chance since it's unrelated to marketing, thx ;)
[09:40] <jenda> not sure i know what you mean... but if I do, ... I will be accepting preorders if I end up doing the shirts.
[09:41] <Madpilot> lotusleaf, I'll do your logo this afternoon too - I've got a bunch of graphics stuff to catch up on
[09:41] <Admiral_Chicago> jenda: the idea is you won't have to front the money yourself, you can get people willing to buy them to pay initially and that will help offset the cost of printing
[09:42] <tsmithe> hmm... good idea
[09:42] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: awesome, thanks =)
[09:42] <Admiral_Chicago> i don't know how you will be handling the actual payment, i assume paypal (that would be my route)
[09:42] <jenda> Admiral_Chicago: I don't mind paying the money up front.
[09:42] <jenda> But I know some people will be willing to pay in advance.
[09:43] <jenda> paypal and bank transfer, choice of buyer, at their expense.
[09:43] <jenda> or cash, of course.
[09:44] <Admiral_Chicago> from my own experience of printing t-shirts, it would have been nice to have the money up front, it felt like i blew 100 all at once and got it back slowly over several weeks
[09:45] <tsmithe> but did you make a profit?
[09:45] <jenda> Admiral_Chicago: I've done the posters this way. It feels good to risk your own money, not somebody elses.
[09:46] <jenda> At least to me. I'd rather lose money than disappoint people :)
[09:46] <Admiral_Chicago> i guess i'd have to explain what you mean by ris
[09:46] <Admiral_Chicago> risk*
[09:46] <tsmithe> jenda, that's kinda how i feel, 'cept i dont have the money in the first place
[09:48] <jenda> Admiral_Chicago: there's the chance that the entire batch burns while you carry it home, or that the shipping is twenty times the price you expected because it won't work without gold casing :)
[09:49] <Admiral_Chicago> that's true
[09:49] <Admiral_Chicago> i'd feel that as long as I broke even, that would be fine with me
[09:50] <Admiral_Chicago> btw, if / when you / someone else prints them, i would try to get that in the UWN
[09:50] <Admiral_Chicago> nap time
[09:50] <Admiral_Chicago> it's long overdue
[09:55] <jenda> Admiral_Chicago: I will UWN, I will fridge, and I'll get a banner on the ubuntuforums.org, just like the one for posters right now.
[09:55] <jenda> I'll also advertise on the mailing list.
[09:56] <somerville32> :)
[10:51] <Madpilot> jenda, do you want a high-res bitmap version of the Ubuntu roughcut too, or can you work from the SVG?
[10:53] <jenda> Madpilot: they said that if I send them both an SVG and an EPS, they'll be able to work with it.
[10:53] <jenda> Can you export to EPS?
[10:53] <jenda> (and they prefer vector over bitmap in any case)
[10:53] <Madpilot> sure, Inkscape can do that. I know zip about EPS, but Inkscape appears to ;)
[10:55] <Madpilot> OK, the EPS seems to work - at least, Evince displays it perfectly. Tarballing everything for emailing now.
[10:59] <jenda> neat :)
[11:08] <Madpilot> jenda, lotusleaf - tar.gz enroute
[11:08] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: thx :)
[11:08] <jenda> thx :)
[11:09] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: I'm dabbling on launchpad.net atm it'll be a few
[11:10] <tsmithe> can i see the tarball? jenda, can you host it on spreadubuntu, in the bzr repo, or summat?
[11:12] <jenda> tsmithe: will do
[11:12] <tsmithe> cool
[11:12] <Madpilot> tsmithe, it'll be going into the bzr repo; older versions are already there
[11:12] <tsmithe> i know ;) and thanks :)
[11:12] <Madpilot> but I don't grok bzr, so I leave that uploading to jenda :)
[11:13] <jenda> bzr'ing
[11:15] <jenda> bzr'd
[11:15] <tsmithe> cheers
[11:25] <tsmithe> ping jenda
[11:25] <jenda> pong
[11:25] <tsmithe> pm
[11:25] <jenda> k