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lotusleafallee: <lifeless> its appropriate to have both, so that we can report on things like 'a new upstream release has happened but is not in the distro'12:15
lotusleaf<lifeless> not at all. How can we make it more clear that we want this ?12:15
lotusleaf<lifeless> and to answer the question, yes, each package should be listed twice - once in the distro, and once in products12:16
alleeuhm, feel free to fill the product gap ;)12:16
lotusleafheh ;)12:16
alleelotusleaf: did you ping motus to trigger a rebuild?12:17
lotusleafallee: eh?12:17
lotusleafallee: ah! thx for confirming it, too! :) :)12:17
alleelotusleaf: it's a clear and simple bug.  /join #ubuntu-motu12:19
lotusleafallee: thx ok12:19
alleeoh that should have been two line ;)12:19
lotusleafallee: heh, I mentioned it in there a few days ago, no response12:19
lotusleafallee: same with #kubuntu, I tried in #kubuntu every 30 minutes for a few hours12:20
alleelotusleaf: I've added kubuntu-team to kdar bug subsciptor.  So hopefully such bug don't slip through unnoticed in the future12:20
lotusleafallee: awesome, thanks! :)12:21
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Tonio__hey12:52
DaSkreechhi12:55
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alleehi Tonio_01:18
alleeTonio_: are you the kdar expert? ;)01:18
Tonio_allee: don't think so :)01:23
alleeTonio_: k01:24
Tonio_allee: and unfortunatelly I'm not available today and tomorrow (gf gave me stuff to do to help in her job :'()01:25
Tonio_one more day and I'm done.......01:25
alleeTonio_: gf have always lot of work for bf :)01:25
Tonio_allee: sadly yes....01:26
DaSkreechdoes it work the other way?01:26
Tonio_DaSkreech: sometimes yes........01:27
DaSkreech:-)01:32
DaSkreechThat's ok then01:32
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alleenite01:46
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Hobbsee|Remotelotusleaf: dar is just a mess.  i'll have to look at it again01:55
lotusleafHobbsee|Remote: hi, okay, thank you very much for the notice, I appreciate it. =)01:56
lotusleafallee: and thank you very much for your attention to this =)01:56
Hobbseelotusleaf: however, i will look again.  i believe the later versions of dar didnt actually build at all.01:56
DaSkreechHi Hobbsee|Remote01:56
Hobbseehey DaSkreech01:57
lotusleafHobbsee thanks =)01:57
Hobbseeryanakca: ^01:57
ryanakcahmmm?01:57
ryanakcaah01:57
Hobbseeryanakca: @ the kdar stuff01:58
ryanakcayeah01:58
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Hobbseeryanakca: i thought someone fixed it.  it got marked as released01:58
ryanakcakk01:59
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ryanakcapedantic?02:00
ryanakcaenglish please?02:00
Hobbseeum...as in, it'll whinge about every single syntax error you put on02:01
Hobbsee*in02:01
Hawkwindhttp://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1B2GGGL_en___US177&q=define%3Apedantic02:01
ryanakcaah02:01
ryanakcathanks02:02
imbrandonTonio_: !!02:02
imbrandonheya all02:02
Hawkwindgoogle.com and typing  define:your-word is an amazing thing :)02:02
Tonio_hey imbrandon :)02:02
Tonio_imbrandon: not available today still.... neither tomorrow, too much external stuff02:03
imbrandonman i was sooo lagging on irc from work today02:03
imbrandonTonio_: thats ok, me either02:03
Tonio_imbrandon: but we have to make a point on the todo on thursday probably02:03
ajmitchhey imbrandon02:03
Tonio_I have plenty of things pending.......02:03
imbrandoni'll be busy pretty much all this week02:03
Tonio_hi ajmitch02:03
imbrandonTonio_: great thursday will be fine02:03
ajmitchhi Tonio_02:03
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ajmitch& Hobbsee02:03
imbrandonheay ajmitch02:03
Hobbseehey ajmitch02:03
ajmitch& all others :)02:03
Tonio_yo Hobbsee02:04
Tonio_imbrandon: there is a bunch of issues with python/debhelper02:04
imbrandonman i figured out ssh into my home computers suck, i dont see how you all ( Hobbsee and others used/use it )02:04
imbrandonTonio_: i noticed02:04
Tonio_most pykde apps fail to build because of pycheck02:04
ajmitchimbrandon: works ok for me :)02:04
Tonio_that's the reason I didn't upload guidance at the moment.... I have to investigate further but no time for this now.... would be cool if we can fix that before Riddell comes back02:05
imbrandonajmitch: well it normaly does for me too , but today i was lagging sooo bad, like 1 to 2 seconds between letter typing and showing up02:05
Hobbseeimbrandon: it's gotten worse recently.  worse lag02:05
Tonio_imbrandon: I didn't notice any issues with ssh on client or server side02:05
ajmitchimbrandon: that does get painful02:05
imbrandonahhhhh GAH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!102:05
HobbseeTonio_: yes please, i keep forgetting my power isnt turned on :P02:05
ajmitchgah to you too02:05
imbrandonsomeone has bittorrent seeds running on the network02:05
ajmitchhah02:06
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ajmitchyeah, I usually find that if something is lagging02:06
ajmitchthat's when I pull out iptables & limit them to dialup speed or worse02:06
imbrandonzomg , it was my MOM !!02:06
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ajmitchthe limit module for iptables is great02:07
imbrandondude that soo sucked today at work, i wish i would have known then, i would have disconnected it from the network02:07
Tonio_ajmitch: yep works nice, but is quite limited since it only plays with protocols + port02:07
imbrandoni'm glad for the saturday session i'll be home and thus no lagg, maybe i can sounds more coherant02:08
imbrandonthere was soo many typo's i dident catch untill after i had sent the message because of the lag, normaly i dont care, but for something like that i try to check02:08
Tonio_would be nice to be able to do stuff like a packetshipper can do with iptable ;)02:08
imbrandonajmitch: btw thanks for the kind words today :)02:09
Tonio_s/packetshipper/packetshaper02:10
Tonio_of course....02:10
imbrandondude my new job soo rocks anyhow, all i do it watch mrtg graphs of rack temps, make a round throughout the DC once every 3 hours and thenanswer 4 or 5 emails a day02:10
imbrandonajmitch: ^02:10
imbrandonits like the lazy techs dream hehe02:11
imbrandoni mean i'm sure it /can/ be hetic if something goes wrong, but on avg , it looks pretty sweet02:11
freeflyingmorning all02:13
imbrandonmoins freeflying02:13
Tonio_imbrandon: got a new job finally ?02:14
robotgeekimbrandon: i could not catch your entire presentation, i was a work :)02:14
imbrandonrobotgeek: amazingly i was too LOL02:14
imbrandonrobotgeek: i will have another ( better ) one saturday02:14
imbrandon*hopes*02:15
Hobbseelotusleaf: ah yes, that's right.  it's because kdar doesnt actually build anymore, due to a libdar library error.  on 2.0.6 anyway, there's a 2.0.702:15
robotgeekimbrandon: cool. will catch that one, hopefully02:15
Hobbseeallee: kdar 2.0.6 doesnt build in edgy, fyi02:18
lotusleafHobbsee ah so will this mean a bump to 2.0.7 for the edgy version? :-)02:19
Hobbseelotusleaf: depends if *that* builds.02:19
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Hobbseei dont really want to, but i may well have to02:19
lotusleafHobbsee :)02:19
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lotusleafHobbsee feel free to @lart me at your leisure when this is over with ;)02:20
Hobbseehehe02:20
Hobbseelotusleaf: nah, i had forgotten about it, it's oaky02:20
lotusleafHobbsee :) I appreciate all parties involved taking a gander at it02:20
Hobbseelotusleaf: 2.0.7 doesnt fix it either.02:23
lotusleaf!02:24
Hobbseehopefully it will be fixed when dar releases 2.4.002:24
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Hobbseelotusleaf: slight problem that kdar doesnt actually build with any later versions of dar :P02:25
lotusleafHobbsee :) should someone contact the developers of *dar ?02:25
Hobbseenot sure02:25
lotusleafHobbsee k, again, thanks for checking all this out =)02:27
Hobbseelotusleaf: doesnt even build with the latest kdar.02:45
lotusleafHobbsee how very bizzare!02:45
Hobbseelotusleaf: yeah...02:45
Hobbseelotusleaf: and i dont want to even think about putting the development version of dar in.02:45
Hobbseeso i think it'll just have to wait02:45
lotusleaf;_;02:46
lotusleafbaby jesus cry!02:46
lotusleafHobbsee didn't allee say it was fscked in fawn too, or therebouts?02:46
ryanakcahmm... since nobody seems to know in #kubuntu... Why did the keyboard layouts in System Settings disappear / cease to exist?02:47
Hobbseelotusleaf: that's where i tested it02:48
Hobbseeryanakca: it's there.  somewhere...iirc02:49
lotusleafhmm02:49
Hobbseeryanakca: it's under regional and language02:49
ryanakcaHobbsee: SysSet, Regional & Language, Keyboard Layout... the tab to access it is still there, except that when you get to it, the layouts aren't there02:49
lotusleafHobbsee it's in universe, right, do some universe packages get cvs builds?02:50
Hobbseeryanakca: ahhhh02:50
Hobbseelotusleaf: sometimes02:50
ryanakcaHobbsee: want a screenshot?02:50
lotusleafHobbsee worth considering?02:50
lotusleafHobbsee just to have it working at all?02:50
Hobbseelotusleaf: i checked the snapshot.   that doesnt work02:50
Hobbseeryanakca: yes please02:50
lotusleafHobbsee wow, I'm scrounging around on the sf talk about it02:50
Hobbseelotusleaf: ie, it doesnt seem to build with the versoin of dar02:51
lotusleafya02:51
lotusleafone post "Yes, kdar-2.0.7 does not compile with dar-3 and it never will. Use dar-2.x or wait for kdar-3.x, which should be at least several months away."02:51
ryanakcaHobbsee: http://rkavanagh.homelinux.org/~ryan/nomorelayouts.png02:51
lotusleaf2006-04-0302:51
Hobbseelotusleaf: ahhh.02:53
Hobbseesarah@sarah:~$ show dar | grep Version02:53
HobbseeVersion: 2.3.2-102:53
lotusleafdar devel is  2.4.002:54
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ryanakcaHobbsee: I remember seeing someone else with that problem in #kubuntu a couple of days ago as well02:56
Hobbseeryanakca: i'm not surprised02:57
Hobbseeryanakca: 403'd02:57
Hobbseejdong: why not?02:57
Hobbseeoh wait, it's in main02:57
jdong Hobbsee: upstream is on a pretty unpredictable release cycle that mixes serious bugfixes with crackpot new features, etc etc etc :)02:58
Hobbseejdong: heh.   true that02:58
jdongHobbsee: to be perfectly honest I don't know if they'll release a stable 2.1+ series before feisty comes out02:58
jdongbut at the same time, 2.0.3 has some nagging bugs that upstream will no longer fix02:58
ryanakcaHobbsee: oh, lol, just a sec02:58
jdongmaybe later when a more stable beta is released02:59
jdongfrom ktorrent's forums, 2.1 beta is still not as stable as 2.0.302:59
ryanakcaHobbsee: go 'head02:59
jdong(mainly because they decided to include that random web interface that is causing all kinds of crashes)02:59
Hobbseeryanakca: does that occur on a new profile?  i cant reproduce that (feisty)03:03
Hobbseejdong: ahhh :(03:03
ajmitchjdong: yay for upstreams that just go on feature-adding binges03:18
ajmitch& never have a real stable release03:18
jdonglol03:18
jdongajmitch: it's wonderful isn't it :)03:18
jdongajmitch: especially now that cherry-picking fixes from SVN is no longer practical03:18
ajmitchHobbsee: should I get a new 20" LCD panel?03:18
Hobbseeajmitch: yes, why not?03:19
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jdongI've got a 32" LCD HDTV I'm using as a makeshift monitor03:19
ajmitchHobbsee: $549 NZD for a 20" panel that does 1680x105003:19
ajmitchI'm quite tempted03:19
jdongsadly until I stop being cheap (i.e. purchase HDMI->DVI converter cables) I can only do 1280x102403:19
jdonganyone want to purchase a LCD HDTV for >$400 USD?03:20
ajmitchor one that does 1600x1200, might be a better option03:20
ajmitchnope03:20
Hobbseeajmitch: nice!03:20
ajmitchyeah, it'll go well for dual-head with the 21" CRT I have03:20
ajmitchwill free up the 17" CRT for the old box which I want to use for some other hacking03:21
ajmitch3200x1200 desktop will be nice03:21
ryanakcaHobbsee: sorry, creating a new session caused my computer to go KRASH!... but yes, I can reproduce it on a new account03:22
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Hobbseeryanakca: interesting....03:22
=== ajmitch has plenty of money on the credit card for it, might as well...
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Hobbseeyes, but do you have money to *pay* said credit card?  *g*03:22
ryanakcaedgy, btw03:23
Hobbseeyeah, i figured03:23
Hobbseeedgy's old, upgrade to feisty :P03:23
ryanakcalol03:23
ajmitchHobbsee: it's in credit by about $1100, actually03:23
ryanakcalast I heard, it was terribly unstable03:23
ajmitchso yes03:23
Hobbseeajmitch: yay!03:23
Hobbseeryanakca: well, every once in a while something *major* breaks :P03:23
ajmitch& only a week until I get paid next03:23
ryanakcaHobbsee: lol03:24
Hobbseeyay :)03:24
ryanakcaHobbsee: well, when I can use my console, kopete, konversation, python, firefox, mysql, apache2, mysql, php, KDE, konqueror, (need I go on), tell me :)03:25
Hobbseehehe03:25
Hobbseeryanakca: meet a dual boot :P03:25
ryanakcaI have one computer... that's plugged in... and it plays the role of server and desktop03:25
Hobbseeha03:25
ryanakcaHobbsee: but that means I wouldn't have 200gb all to edgy anymore03:25
Hobbsee*ah03:25
Hobbseeyes, and?03:25
ryanakcadunno03:26
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ajmitchok, should get a new monitor soonish03:29
ryanakcaHobbsee: in the morning, should I submit that as a bug?03:30
Hobbseeyeah03:30
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ryanakcakk03:32
Hobbseethen you can go triage all hte other bugs :P03:32
ryanakcalol03:33
ryanakcaI thought you didn't want me to do that because it spamed your inbox?03:33
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ajmitchhi Hobbsee07:31
Hobbseehey ajmitch07:31
Jucatohi Hobbsee07:32
Hobbseehey Jucato07:32
JucatoI was just about to go to bed :)07:32
Hobbseesmart07:32
Jucatoso I can stay up late tonight again07:33
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Hobbseeyay, netsplit07:42
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freeflyinganyone has a ppc machine would like test kerry-0.2 for me10:26
freeflyinghttp://192.168.0.230/~freeflying/packages/feisty/kerry/10:26
crimsunI'm pretty sure that URL is invalid for most of us10:28
crimsun(most ISPs drop 192.168/16)10:28
freeflyingcrimsun: sorry10:44
freeflyinghttp://211.54.174.45/~freeflying/packages/feisty/kerry/10:44
freeflying:)10:45
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freeflying_raphink: robotgee1: arounds?04:13
raphinkyep04:14
freeflying_raphink: would u like test kerry-0.2 on ppc? :)04:14
raphinkwhy not04:15
freeflying_http://211.154.174.45/~freeflying/packages/feisty/kerry/04:15
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freeflying_it works well with pbuilder on x86 :)04:15
raphinkwait04:16
raphinkI'm a bit busy04:16
raphinkbut I'll test04:16
bddebianHeya04:17
freeflying_raphink: thanks, if it's ok on ppc, i'd upload :)04:17
freeflying_bddebian: hi04:17
Jucatohi bddebian04:19
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bddebianHeya freeflying, Jucato04:24
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lotusleafhttps://launchpad.net/products/kdar confirmed bug in ubuntu and ubuntu edgy, but listed as unconfirmed in upstream, can this be listed as confirmed by someone please?05:06
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plerkimbarndon05:44
plerkare you here?05:44
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mhbhi all05:54
Lurehi mhb05:55
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seelemhb: ping07:01
Jucatohi seele :)07:01
seelehallo07:02
mhbseele: here07:02
seelemhb: did you catch my blog entry about grub use cases and default configs?07:03
mhbseele: missed it07:03
seelemhb: http://weblog.obso1337.org/2006/grub-user-interface-the-early-stages/07:03
seeleall the comments are answering a few questions i asked.. particularly what options they tend to change if they change any at all07:04
mhbcool07:04
mhbseele: I have to get away now, sorry ... thanks for the blog entry and everything07:09
mhbseele: I'll ping you tomorrow (or when I get back)07:09
seeleno problem07:11
seelei have some papers to write because its end of semester so i probably wont do much work on this for a week or two07:11
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tomaLure: ping08:20
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jpatrickeveryone still alive?08:30
outimeHi developers08:30
jpatrickanyone*08:30
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outimeHmm, jpatrick, none08:31
mhbI'm here (again)08:31
outimeWell... I try to explain. jpatrick say me that I can help the Kubuntu team with translate english to spanish, and make some documentation08:32
outimeright?08:32
DaSkreechI would suspect so :)08:32
mhboutime: sure you can, but this is not the best channel for that08:32
mhboutime: (maybe for documentation, but not for translation)08:33
outimejpatrick, ouch ?08:33
outimeHe says me that this is the channel08:33
outimebut it's ok08:33
jpatrickmhb: I just pointed him to this channel08:33
DaSkreechGood :)08:33
mhboutime: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-l10n-es08:34
outimeJoining :-P, thanks08:34
mhboutime: this team has the rights to translate ubuntu (and Kubuntu) into Spanish08:34
outimeSubscription request pending approval.08:34
outimePerfect mhb, thanks for help08:34
mhboutime: you can check their page, they may have some more info08:35
mhboutime: wiki page or something08:35
outimemhb, for example08:35
mhboutime: when they accept you, there will surely be someone who cares about Kubuntu translations08:35
outimethere are some people who send invitation one year ago08:35
outimeI can wait, but one year...08:36
jpatrickoutime: you have to make them know you exist08:36
outimeCarlos (here, in Freenode) is on, and is the administrator08:37
outimeI go to talk with him08:37
outimeWell, is away, maybe after08:38
Luretoma: pong08:45
tomaLure: did you try an updated mailody ?08:48
Luretoma: sorry, no - did not have time last days :-(08:48
tomaokay08:48
Luretoma: problem is that I do not have vpn working, so I can only test at work and I do not have much time there :-(08:49
tomaallright08:49
tomaLure: i'll probably do a RC2 which is still broken for you then08:49
Luretoma: I hope I will find more time in next weeks, as I would like to help with mailody08:50
Luretoma: will try RC2 next week and let you know - I am traveling this week08:50
tomaLure: ok, thanks08:50
Luretoma: btw, great work on mailody in short time08:51
toma;-)08:51
DaSkreechOh that's you?08:51
tomayep08:53
DaSkreechwell done08:54
tomaDaSkreech: thanks, did you try it?08:55
DaSkreechNo been following the svn commits on it09:00
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Lurehttp://tsdgeos.blogspot.com/2006/11/distributor-patches.html10:03
mhbLure: it's ubuntu's fault? Debian patches not involved?10:07
Luremhb: not sure, just seen it abd posted link for somebody with more knowledge of kpdf/cups packages10:08
mhbLure: oh. it's not me, sadly10:11
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jdongare we any closer to the mystery of the 60-fold DPMS timeout?10:48
jdongor should I continue writing python infinite loops to monitor xset -q output? :D10:49
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tomas60 fold dpms timeout?11:29
jdongtoma: yes... whatever DPMS timeout you set, on next login it's 60-fold11:31
jdongtoma: I set 120, it turns out to be 720011:31
jdongI would give you a LP bug #, but it would appear like the mighty proprietary beast is down right now11:32
jdongbug 6579111:32
tomajdong: ah okay.11:33
UbugtuMalone bug 65791 in kde-guidance "DPMS timeout restored incorrectly on login" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6579111:33
jdongit's quite an irritating regression from Dapper for laptop users11:33
tomajdong: ah, need to keep an eye on that11:33
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