[12:15] <lotusleaf> allee: <lifeless> its appropriate to have both, so that we can report on things like 'a new upstream release has happened but is not in the distro'
 not at all. How can we make it more clear that we want this ?
 and to answer the question, yes, each package should be listed twice - once in the distro, and once in products
[12:16] <allee> uhm, feel free to fill the product gap ;)
[12:16] <lotusleaf> heh ;)
[12:17] <allee> lotusleaf: did you ping motus to trigger a rebuild?
[12:17] <lotusleaf> allee: eh?
[12:17] <lotusleaf> allee: ah! thx for confirming it, too! :) :)
[12:19] <allee> lotusleaf: it's a clear and simple bug.  /join #ubuntu-motu
[12:19] <lotusleaf> allee: thx ok
[12:19] <allee> oh that should have been two line ;)
[12:19] <lotusleaf> allee: heh, I mentioned it in there a few days ago, no response
[12:20] <lotusleaf> allee: same with #kubuntu, I tried in #kubuntu every 30 minutes for a few hours
[12:20] <allee> lotusleaf: I've added kubuntu-team to kdar bug subsciptor.  So hopefully such bug don't slip through unnoticed in the future
[12:21] <lotusleaf> allee: awesome, thanks! :)
[12:52] <Tonio__> hey
[12:55] <DaSkreech> hi
[01:18] <allee> hi Tonio_
[01:18] <allee> Tonio_: are you the kdar expert? ;)
[01:23] <Tonio_> allee: don't think so :)
[01:24] <allee> Tonio_: k
[01:25] <Tonio_> allee: and unfortunatelly I'm not available today and tomorrow (gf gave me stuff to do to help in her job :'()
[01:25] <Tonio_> one more day and I'm done.......
[01:25] <allee> Tonio_: gf have always lot of work for bf :)
[01:26] <Tonio_> allee: sadly yes....
[01:26] <DaSkreech> does it work the other way?
[01:27] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: sometimes yes........
[01:32] <DaSkreech> :-)
[01:32] <DaSkreech> That's ok then
[01:46] <allee> nite
[01:55] <Hobbsee|Remote> lotusleaf: dar is just a mess.  i'll have to look at it again
[01:56] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee|Remote: hi, okay, thank you very much for the notice, I appreciate it. =)
[01:56] <lotusleaf> allee: and thank you very much for your attention to this =)
[01:56] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: however, i will look again.  i believe the later versions of dar didnt actually build at all.
[01:56] <DaSkreech> Hi Hobbsee|Remote
[01:57] <Hobbsee> hey DaSkreech
[01:57] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee thanks =)
[01:57] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: ^
[01:57] <ryanakca> hmmm?
[01:57] <ryanakca> ah
[01:58] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: @ the kdar stuff
[01:58] <ryanakca> yeah
[01:58] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: i thought someone fixed it.  it got marked as released
[01:59] <ryanakca> kk
[02:00] <ryanakca> pedantic?
[02:00] <ryanakca> english please?
[02:01] <Hobbsee> um...as in, it'll whinge about every single syntax error you put on
[02:01] <Hobbsee> *in
[02:01] <Hawkwind> http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1B2GGGL_en___US177&q=define%3Apedantic
[02:01] <ryanakca> ah
[02:02] <ryanakca> thanks
[02:02] <imbrandon> Tonio_: !!
[02:02] <imbrandon> heya all
[02:02] <Hawkwind> google.com and typing  define:your-word is an amazing thing :)
[02:02] <Tonio_> hey imbrandon :)
[02:03] <Tonio_> imbrandon: not available today still.... neither tomorrow, too much external stuff
[02:03] <imbrandon> man i was sooo lagging on irc from work today
[02:03] <imbrandon> Tonio_: thats ok, me either
[02:03] <Tonio_> imbrandon: but we have to make a point on the todo on thursday probably
[02:03] <ajmitch> hey imbrandon
[02:03] <Tonio_> I have plenty of things pending.......
[02:03] <imbrandon> i'll be busy pretty much all this week
[02:03] <Tonio_> hi ajmitch
[02:03] <imbrandon> Tonio_: great thursday will be fine
[02:03] <ajmitch> hi Tonio_
[02:03] <ajmitch> & Hobbsee
[02:03] <imbrandon> heay ajmitch
[02:03] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch
[02:03] <ajmitch> & all others :)
[02:04] <Tonio_> yo Hobbsee
[02:04] <Tonio_> imbrandon: there is a bunch of issues with python/debhelper
[02:04] <imbrandon> man i figured out ssh into my home computers suck, i dont see how you all ( Hobbsee and others used/use it )
[02:04] <imbrandon> Tonio_: i noticed
[02:04] <Tonio_> most pykde apps fail to build because of pycheck
[02:04] <ajmitch> imbrandon: works ok for me :)
[02:05] <Tonio_> that's the reason I didn't upload guidance at the moment.... I have to investigate further but no time for this now.... would be cool if we can fix that before Riddell comes back
[02:05] <imbrandon> ajmitch: well it normaly does for me too , but today i was lagging sooo bad, like 1 to 2 seconds between letter typing and showing up
[02:05] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: it's gotten worse recently.  worse lag
[02:05] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I didn't notice any issues with ssh on client or server side
[02:05] <ajmitch> imbrandon: that does get painful
[02:05] <imbrandon> ahhhhh GAH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[02:05] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yes please, i keep forgetting my power isnt turned on :P
[02:05] <ajmitch> gah to you too
[02:05] <imbrandon> someone has bittorrent seeds running on the network
[02:06] <ajmitch> hah
[02:06] <ajmitch> yeah, I usually find that if something is lagging
[02:06] <ajmitch> that's when I pull out iptables & limit them to dialup speed or worse
[02:06] <imbrandon> zomg , it was my MOM !!
[02:07] <ajmitch> the limit module for iptables is great
[02:07] <imbrandon> dude that soo sucked today at work, i wish i would have known then, i would have disconnected it from the network
[02:07] <Tonio_> ajmitch: yep works nice, but is quite limited since it only plays with protocols + port
[02:08] <imbrandon> i'm glad for the saturday session i'll be home and thus no lagg, maybe i can sounds more coherant
[02:08] <imbrandon> there was soo many typo's i dident catch untill after i had sent the message because of the lag, normaly i dont care, but for something like that i try to check
[02:08] <Tonio_> would be nice to be able to do stuff like a packetshipper can do with iptable ;)
[02:09] <imbrandon> ajmitch: btw thanks for the kind words today :)
[02:10] <Tonio_> s/packetshipper/packetshaper
[02:10] <Tonio_> of course....
[02:10] <imbrandon> dude my new job soo rocks anyhow, all i do it watch mrtg graphs of rack temps, make a round throughout the DC once every 3 hours and thenanswer 4 or 5 emails a day
[02:10] <imbrandon> ajmitch: ^
[02:11] <imbrandon> its like the lazy techs dream hehe
[02:11] <imbrandon> i mean i'm sure it /can/ be hetic if something goes wrong, but on avg , it looks pretty sweet
[02:13] <freeflying> morning all
[02:13] <imbrandon> moins freeflying
[02:14] <Tonio_> imbrandon: got a new job finally ?
[02:14] <robotgeek> imbrandon: i could not catch your entire presentation, i was a work :)
[02:14] <imbrandon> robotgeek: amazingly i was too LOL
[02:14] <imbrandon> robotgeek: i will have another ( better ) one saturday
[02:15] <imbrandon> *hopes*
[02:15] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: ah yes, that's right.  it's because kdar doesnt actually build anymore, due to a libdar library error.  on 2.0.6 anyway, there's a 2.0.7
[02:15] <robotgeek> imbrandon: cool. will catch that one, hopefully
[02:18] <Hobbsee> allee: kdar 2.0.6 doesnt build in edgy, fyi
[02:19] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee ah so will this mean a bump to 2.0.7 for the edgy version? :-)
[02:19] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: depends if *that* builds.
[02:19] <Hobbsee> i dont really want to, but i may well have to
[02:19] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee :)
[02:20] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee feel free to @lart me at your leisure when this is over with ;)
[02:20] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:20] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: nah, i had forgotten about it, it's oaky
[02:20] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee :) I appreciate all parties involved taking a gander at it
[02:23] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: 2.0.7 doesnt fix it either.
[02:24] <lotusleaf> !
[02:24] <Hobbsee> hopefully it will be fixed when dar releases 2.4.0
[02:25] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: slight problem that kdar doesnt actually build with any later versions of dar :P
[02:25] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee :) should someone contact the developers of *dar ?
[02:25] <Hobbsee> not sure
[02:27] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee k, again, thanks for checking all this out =)
[02:45] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: doesnt even build with the latest kdar.
[02:45] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee how very bizzare!
[02:45] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: yeah...
[02:45] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: and i dont want to even think about putting the development version of dar in.
[02:45] <Hobbsee> so i think it'll just have to wait
[02:46] <lotusleaf> ;_;
[02:46] <lotusleaf> baby jesus cry!
[02:46] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee didn't allee say it was fscked in fawn too, or therebouts?
[02:47] <ryanakca> hmm... since nobody seems to know in #kubuntu... Why did the keyboard layouts in System Settings disappear / cease to exist?
[02:48] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: that's where i tested it
[02:49] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: it's there.  somewhere...iirc
[02:49] <lotusleaf> hmm
[02:49] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: it's under regional and language
[02:49] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: SysSet, Regional & Language, Keyboard Layout... the tab to access it is still there, except that when you get to it, the layouts aren't there
[02:50] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee it's in universe, right, do some universe packages get cvs builds?
[02:50] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: ahhhh
[02:50] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: sometimes
[02:50] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: want a screenshot?
[02:50] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee worth considering?
[02:50] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee just to have it working at all?
[02:50] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: i checked the snapshot.   that doesnt work
[02:50] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: yes please
[02:50] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee wow, I'm scrounging around on the sf talk about it
[02:51] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: ie, it doesnt seem to build with the versoin of dar
[02:51] <lotusleaf> ya
[02:51] <lotusleaf> one post "Yes, kdar-2.0.7 does not compile with dar-3 and it never will. Use dar-2.x or wait for kdar-3.x, which should be at least several months away."
[02:51] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: http://rkavanagh.homelinux.org/~ryan/nomorelayouts.png
[02:51] <lotusleaf> 2006-04-03
[02:53] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: ahhh.
[02:53] <Hobbsee> sarah@sarah:~$ show dar | grep Version
[02:53] <Hobbsee> Version: 2.3.2-1
[02:54] <lotusleaf> dar devel is  2.4.0
[02:56] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: I remember seeing someone else with that problem in #kubuntu a couple of days ago as well
[02:57] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: i'm not surprised
[02:57] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: 403'd
[02:57] <Hobbsee> jdong: why not?
[02:57] <Hobbsee> oh wait, it's in main
[02:58] <jdong>  Hobbsee: upstream is on a pretty unpredictable release cycle that mixes serious bugfixes with crackpot new features, etc etc etc :)
[02:58] <Hobbsee> jdong: heh.   true that
[02:58] <jdong> Hobbsee: to be perfectly honest I don't know if they'll release a stable 2.1+ series before feisty comes out
[02:58] <jdong> but at the same time, 2.0.3 has some nagging bugs that upstream will no longer fix
[02:58] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: oh, lol, just a sec
[02:59] <jdong> maybe later when a more stable beta is released
[02:59] <jdong> from ktorrent's forums, 2.1 beta is still not as stable as 2.0.3
[02:59] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: go 'head
[02:59] <jdong> (mainly because they decided to include that random web interface that is causing all kinds of crashes)
[03:03] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: does that occur on a new profile?  i cant reproduce that (feisty)
[03:03] <Hobbsee> jdong: ahhh :(
[03:18] <ajmitch> jdong: yay for upstreams that just go on feature-adding binges
[03:18] <ajmitch> & never have a real stable release
[03:18] <jdong> lol
[03:18] <jdong> ajmitch: it's wonderful isn't it :)
[03:18] <jdong> ajmitch: especially now that cherry-picking fixes from SVN is no longer practical
[03:18] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: should I get a new 20" LCD panel?
[03:19] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yes, why not?
[03:19] <jdong> I've got a 32" LCD HDTV I'm using as a makeshift monitor
[03:19] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: $549 NZD for a 20" panel that does 1680x1050
[03:19] <ajmitch> I'm quite tempted
[03:19] <jdong> sadly until I stop being cheap (i.e. purchase HDMI->DVI converter cables) I can only do 1280x1024
[03:20] <jdong> anyone want to purchase a LCD HDTV for >$400 USD?
[03:20] <ajmitch> or one that does 1600x1200, might be a better option
[03:20] <ajmitch> nope
[03:20] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: nice!
[03:20] <ajmitch> yeah, it'll go well for dual-head with the 21" CRT I have
[03:21] <ajmitch> will free up the 17" CRT for the old box which I want to use for some other hacking
[03:21] <ajmitch> 3200x1200 desktop will be nice
[03:22] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: sorry, creating a new session caused my computer to go KRASH!... but yes, I can reproduce it on a new account
[03:22] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: interesting....
[03:22] <Hobbsee> yes, but do you have money to *pay* said credit card?  *g*
[03:23] <ryanakca> edgy, btw
[03:23] <Hobbsee> yeah, i figured
[03:23] <Hobbsee> edgy's old, upgrade to feisty :P
[03:23] <ryanakca> lol
[03:23] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: it's in credit by about $1100, actually
[03:23] <ryanakca> last I heard, it was terribly unstable
[03:23] <ajmitch> so yes
[03:23] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yay!
[03:23] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: well, every once in a while something *major* breaks :P
[03:23] <ajmitch> & only a week until I get paid next
[03:24] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: lol
[03:24] <Hobbsee> yay :)
[03:25] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: well, when I can use my console, kopete, konversation, python, firefox, mysql, apache2, mysql, php, KDE, konqueror, (need I go on), tell me :)
[03:25] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:25] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: meet a dual boot :P
[03:25] <ryanakca> I have one computer... that's plugged in... and it plays the role of server and desktop
[03:25] <Hobbsee> ha
[03:25] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: but that means I wouldn't have 200gb all to edgy anymore
[03:25] <Hobbsee> *ah
[03:25] <Hobbsee> yes, and?
[03:26] <ryanakca> dunno
[03:29] <ajmitch> ok, should get a new monitor soonish
[03:30] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: in the morning, should I submit that as a bug?
[03:30] <Hobbsee> yeah
[03:32] <ryanakca> kk
[03:32] <Hobbsee> then you can go triage all hte other bugs :P
[03:33] <ryanakca> lol
[03:33] <ryanakca> I thought you didn't want me to do that because it spamed your inbox?
[07:31] <ajmitch> hi Hobbsee
[07:31] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch
[07:32] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee
[07:32] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato
[07:32] <Jucato> I was just about to go to bed :)
[07:32] <Hobbsee> smart
[07:33] <Jucato> so I can stay up late tonight again
[07:42] <Hobbsee> yay, netsplit
[10:26] <freeflying> anyone has a ppc machine would like test kerry-0.2 for me
[10:26] <freeflying> http://192.168.0.230/~freeflying/packages/feisty/kerry/
[10:28] <crimsun> I'm pretty sure that URL is invalid for most of us
[10:28] <crimsun> (most ISPs drop 192.168/16)
[10:44] <freeflying> crimsun: sorry
[10:44] <freeflying> http://211.54.174.45/~freeflying/packages/feisty/kerry/
[10:45] <freeflying> :)
[04:13] <freeflying_> raphink: robotgee1: arounds?
[04:14] <raphink> yep
[04:14] <freeflying_> raphink: would u like test kerry-0.2 on ppc? :)
[04:15] <raphink> why not
[04:15] <freeflying_> http://211.154.174.45/~freeflying/packages/feisty/kerry/
[04:15] <freeflying_> it works well with pbuilder on x86 :)
[04:16] <raphink> wait
[04:16] <raphink> I'm a bit busy
[04:16] <raphink> but I'll test
[04:17] <bddebian> Heya
[04:17] <freeflying_> raphink: thanks, if it's ok on ppc, i'd upload :)
[04:17] <freeflying_> bddebian: hi
[04:19] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[04:24] <bddebian> Heya freeflying, Jucato
[05:06] <lotusleaf> https://launchpad.net/products/kdar confirmed bug in ubuntu and ubuntu edgy, but listed as unconfirmed in upstream, can this be listed as confirmed by someone please?
[05:44] <plerk> imbarndon
[05:44] <plerk> are you here?
[05:54] <mhb> hi all
[05:55] <Lure> hi mhb
[07:01] <seele> mhb: ping
[07:01] <Jucato> hi seele :)
[07:02] <seele> hallo
[07:02] <mhb> seele: here
[07:03] <seele> mhb: did you catch my blog entry about grub use cases and default configs?
[07:03] <mhb> seele: missed it
[07:03] <seele> mhb: http://weblog.obso1337.org/2006/grub-user-interface-the-early-stages/
[07:04] <seele> all the comments are answering a few questions i asked.. particularly what options they tend to change if they change any at all
[07:04] <mhb> cool
[07:09] <mhb> seele: I have to get away now, sorry ... thanks for the blog entry and everything
[07:09] <mhb> seele: I'll ping you tomorrow (or when I get back)
[07:11] <seele> no problem
[07:11] <seele> i have some papers to write because its end of semester so i probably wont do much work on this for a week or two
[08:20] <toma> Lure: ping
[08:30] <jpatrick> everyone still alive?
[08:30] <outime> Hi developers
[08:30] <jpatrick> anyone*
[08:31] <outime> Hmm, jpatrick, none
[08:31] <mhb> I'm here (again)
[08:32] <outime> Well... I try to explain. jpatrick say me that I can help the Kubuntu team with translate english to spanish, and make some documentation
[08:32] <outime> right?
[08:32] <DaSkreech> I would suspect so :)
[08:32] <mhb> outime: sure you can, but this is not the best channel for that
[08:33] <mhb> outime: (maybe for documentation, but not for translation)
[08:33] <outime> jpatrick, ouch ?
[08:33] <outime> He says me that this is the channel
[08:33] <outime> but it's ok
[08:33] <jpatrick> mhb: I just pointed him to this channel
[08:33] <DaSkreech> Good :)
[08:34] <mhb> outime: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-l10n-es
[08:34] <outime> Joining :-P, thanks
[08:34] <mhb> outime: this team has the rights to translate ubuntu (and Kubuntu) into Spanish
[08:34] <outime> Subscription request pending approval.
[08:34] <outime> Perfect mhb, thanks for help
[08:35] <mhb> outime: you can check their page, they may have some more info
[08:35] <mhb> outime: wiki page or something
[08:35] <outime> mhb, for example
[08:35] <mhb> outime: when they accept you, there will surely be someone who cares about Kubuntu translations
[08:35] <outime> there are some people who send invitation one year ago
[08:36] <outime> I can wait, but one year...
[08:36] <jpatrick> outime: you have to make them know you exist
[08:37] <outime> Carlos (here, in Freenode) is on, and is the administrator
[08:37] <outime> I go to talk with him
[08:38] <outime> Well, is away, maybe after
[08:45] <Lure> toma: pong
[08:48] <toma> Lure: did you try an updated mailody ?
[08:48] <Lure> toma: sorry, no - did not have time last days :-(
[08:48] <toma> okay
[08:49] <Lure> toma: problem is that I do not have vpn working, so I can only test at work and I do not have much time there :-(
[08:49] <toma> allright
[08:49] <toma> Lure: i'll probably do a RC2 which is still broken for you then
[08:50] <Lure> toma: I hope I will find more time in next weeks, as I would like to help with mailody
[08:50] <Lure> toma: will try RC2 next week and let you know - I am traveling this week
[08:50] <toma> Lure: ok, thanks
[08:51] <Lure> toma: btw, great work on mailody in short time
[08:51] <toma> ;-)
[08:51] <DaSkreech> Oh that's you?
[08:53] <toma> yep
[08:54] <DaSkreech> well done
[08:55] <toma> DaSkreech: thanks, did you try it?
[09:00] <DaSkreech> No been following the svn commits on it
[10:03] <Lure> http://tsdgeos.blogspot.com/2006/11/distributor-patches.html
[10:07] <mhb> Lure: it's ubuntu's fault? Debian patches not involved?
[10:08] <Lure> mhb: not sure, just seen it abd posted link for somebody with more knowledge of kpdf/cups packages
[10:11] <mhb> Lure: oh. it's not me, sadly
[10:48] <jdong> are we any closer to the mystery of the 60-fold DPMS timeout?
[10:49] <jdong> or should I continue writing python infinite loops to monitor xset -q output? :D
[11:29] <toma> s60 fold dpms timeout?
[11:31] <jdong> toma: yes... whatever DPMS timeout you set, on next login it's 60-fold
[11:31] <jdong> toma: I set 120, it turns out to be 7200
[11:32] <jdong> I would give you a LP bug #, but it would appear like the mighty proprietary beast is down right now
[11:32] <jdong> bug 65791
[11:33] <toma> jdong: ah okay.
[11:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65791 in kde-guidance "DPMS timeout restored incorrectly on login" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65791
[11:33] <jdong> it's quite an irritating regression from Dapper for laptop users
[11:33] <toma> jdong: ah, need to keep an eye on that