[12:15] <BluesKaj> whew ... back in KDE-Land ... success!  ;)
[12:15] <Cyprene> Glad to hear it worked, whatever you did. :)
[12:16] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: well if you want to jump between the two you will have to endure teh indignity of having to login :)
[12:16] <DaSkreech> Cyprene: what's got you konfused?
[12:16] <Cyprene> Aah, I've got most of my problems worked out.
[12:16] <BluesKaj> now I  must go to the community mailbox, thru the wind and rain
[12:16] <Cyprene> I'm trying to get Japanese text input.
[12:16] <BluesKaj> yup DaSkreech ...afraid so :)
[12:17] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: if you plan infrequent jumps you can setone as defualt and autologin on that one then logout only when you need to
[12:18] <Cyprene> I guess that may be a rather specialized issue, lol
[12:20] <DaSkreech> !jp
[12:20] <ubotu>  #ubuntu-jp  #kubuntu-jp 
[12:20] <intelikey> Cyprene
[12:20] <intelikey> kde-i18n-ja - Japanese (ja) internationalized (i18n) files for KDE
[12:20] <intelikey> language-pack-kde-ja - KDE translation updates for language Japanese
[12:20] <intelikey> language-pack-kde-ja-base - KDE translations for language Japanese
[12:20] <DaSkreech> Cyprene: If you can read Japanese that might help :)
[12:20] <DaSkreech> intelikey: why isn't it jp?
[12:21] <intelikey> DaSkreech no idea
[12:21] <Cyprene> Does that handle the input?
[12:21] <Firefishe> hey, my japanese fonts are installed..kewl ;) hee
[12:21] <lupine_85> cor, looks good
[12:21] <Cyprene> lol
[12:22] <lupine_85> I'm being good though :)
[12:22] <DaSkreech>  that's about it
[12:22] <lupine_85> is there anything japanese that isn't inherently naughty, anyway?
[12:22] <Cyprene> Salarymen.
[12:23] <lupine_85> rule 34?
[12:23] <DaSkreech> kamikaze?
[12:23] <lupine_85> no, that's naughty. very much so.
[12:23] <Cyprene> Kamikaze are?
[12:23] <Cyprene> That's an interesting viewpoint.
[12:24] <Firefishe> What Java IDE is best used with ubuntu/powerpc?
[12:24] <lupine_85> would you let your kid do it?
[12:24] <Cyprene> Kamikaze?  I don't think I would.
[12:24] <Cyprene> We have missles now that do the same job.
[12:24] <Cyprene> Missles are cheap.  Lives are expensive.
[12:24] <underzsof> THE SITE HAS EVERYTHING ABOUT WAREZ RAPIDSHARE DOWNLOADZ --> WWW.UNDERZSOFT.COM  THANX!!!
[12:25] <DaSkreech> Firefishe: Eclipse works
[12:25] <Cyprene> Well, I guess I know where to go if I want information about warez rapidshare downloads.
[12:25] <Cyprene> lol
[12:25] <DaSkreech> Or netbeans
[12:26] <DaSkreech> Firefishe: Or kate :)
[12:26] <fannagoganna> hmm, Java IDE might be Eclipse
[12:26] <intelikey> get all the warez you want at 127.0.0.1
[12:26] <fannagoganna> personally, i haven't used it
[12:26] <fannagoganna> why not just use torrents?
[12:26] <Firefishe> DaSkreech: Ah..thank you.  Does KDevelop work for java?
[12:26] <fannagoganna> if you want warez??
[12:26] <DaSkreech> I should think so
[12:26] <fannagoganna> i've never gotten KDevelop to work -- it seems too unwieldy
[12:27] <Firefishe> intelikey: chuckle
[12:27] <Firefishe> ;)
[12:27] <intelikey> :)
[12:27] <intelikey> Firefishe that was for the newbee's that are used to windows... :)
[12:28] <BluesKaj> DaSkreech, i had a pretty good look at xfce4 ... justa simplified and confusing gnome :)
[12:28] <Firefishe> DaSkreech: Well, as a powerpc/g4 laptop user, I'm using the IBM release of the java sdk.  What I'm wanting, really, is an IBM version IDE to go with it...java based, of course.  Know of anything like that/
[12:28] <Firefishe> ?
[12:28] <lupine_85> KDEvelop is incredible
[12:28] <Firefishe> intelikey: ah...understood
[12:28] <lupine_85> I'm using it for c++ and it does all the yucky automake stuff for me :)
[12:28] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: Yeah it's light though
[12:28] <Firefishe> c++ I wouldl think, yes.  java can be a bit more unwieldy
[12:29] <DaSkreech> Firefishe: Eclipse
[12:29] <DaSkreech> That will require doubling your RAM though
[12:29] <DaSkreech> and yes I don't care how much RAM you currently hav :)
[12:29] <Firefishe> Eclipse uses that much?
[12:30] <intelikey> DaSkreech i have a box with 64m will i still need to dubble it ?
[12:30] <jbasilio> anyone good with hotplug scripts?  i want to know how to set a usb memory card reader so that when it mounts it is accessible by ALL users of a group on my system
[12:31] <jbasilio> i wish it would just honor the umask setting
[12:31] <DaSkreech> Firefishe: Yup
[12:31] <DaSkreech> intelikey: is it running comforatbly now?
[12:31] <intelikey> DaSkreech very
[12:31] <DaSkreech> apt-get install xserver-xorg and try it again :)
[12:32] <DaSkreech> arethere CLI IDEs outside of the Deadly Duo ?
[12:32] <BluesKaj> with just 64? ...what can run on that ?
[12:32] <intelikey> well kde is a little tight if i have mozilla mail and konqueror both working with more than one window/tab...
[12:32] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: Ubuntu-server
[12:32] <intelikey> i guess i could enable some swap space and cure that
[12:33] <BluesKaj> ok
[12:33] <intelikey> p.s.  that's not a joke.  honest truth. ^
[12:34] <tobias> I met david rovics yesterday XD
[12:34] <BluesKaj> just gave an old 233mhz MMXbox away with 128mb Ram on it to the old folks center here
[12:35] <BluesKaj> there was old guy there who knew how to set up linux on it
[12:35] <tobias> thats nice :)
[12:35] <lupine_85> !info xserver-xgl dapper
[12:35] <ubotu> xserver-xgl: GL-based X server. In component universe, is optional. Version 7.0.0-0ubuntu4 (dapper), package size 1584 kB, installed size 4384 kB
[12:35] <lupine_85> !info xserver-xgl edgy
[12:35] <ubotu> xserver-xgl: GL-based X server. In component universe, is optional. Version 7.0.0.git.20060725-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1548 kB, installed size 4124 kB
[12:35] <DaSkreech> so the old folks center is saved!! :)
[12:35] <intelikey> BluesKaj i'm talking p1mmx 100mhz 64m ram 610m hd     (yes it's a hacked install, not default)
[12:35] <tobias> when Im old Ill finally learn how to install linux
[12:36] <BluesKaj> cool ol' dude ...he had it running ubuntu in hr
[12:36] <BluesKaj> right on intelikey ! :)
[12:36] <intelikey> tobias there wont be a linux by then.  M$ will have seued it out of existance
[12:36] <BluesKaj> new life for old boxes
[12:36] <jbasilio> mother !@#!!!  it's funy how until you ask a question doors don't open up.  1) ubuntu uses udev.  2) /etc/udev/permissions.d
[12:37] <tobias> intelikey not if I buy m$!!
[12:37] <intelikey> tobias actually "not if we all stop buying M$"  :)
[12:37] <tobias> intelikey hehehe
[12:38] <tobias> intelikey oh yeah, thats what I meant
[12:38] <BluesKaj> tobias , I'm pretty old (63) .
[12:38] <Firefishe> tobias: If you want a walkthrough for linux install, I'll help you in /query
[12:38] <tobias> firefishe I got linux installed, but thanks a lot for the offer! :D
[12:38] <tobias> firefishe my friend installed kubuntu for me
[12:38] <Firefishe> tobias: hee...okay then.  well, enjoy it.
[12:39] <dennister> good evening all
[12:39] <Firefishe> tobias: nice to have a local kubuntu user :)
[12:39] <tobias> blueskaj cool:) how long have u used linux?
[12:39] <intelikey> dennister
[12:39] <BluesKaj> HI dennister, HOW GOES THE BATTLE ? :)
[12:39] <dennister> hey intelikey, BluesKaj :)
[12:39] <tobias> firefishe: are u in norway? nice :)
[12:39] <Firefishe> tobias: no, stateside
[12:39] <dennister> going well, ty...finally found out what the problem was with lirc
[12:40] <BluesKaj> tobias, about 5yrs off and on , but i've been really learning since i bought this new pc last march
[12:40] <tobias> firefishe you thought I lived in the states?
[12:40] <dennister> turns out it was with the blaster for the card: it's only a receiver, and can't transmit any signals to the STB or anything else; it's a hardware limitation
[12:41] <dennister> so Hauppauge is going to send me the "newer" 150 model with the better IR blaster :)
[12:41] <tobias> blueskaj ahh, i just started this summer on kubuntu, its so nice that it actually is easier and better than m$ now I think!
[12:42] <intelikey> does kdecelop depend on something in "restricted" ?
[12:42] <intelikey> kdevelop
[12:42] <Firefishe> tobias: oh, I don't think I asked your location.  I meant that I felt it was nice for you to have someone local to you.
[12:42] <BluesKaj> right dennister, hauppauge has a good reputation
[12:42] <Firefishe> tobias: someone local who could install it for you, I was saying I was happy for you in that regard :)
[12:42] <dennister> tobias: i have to agree with u, especially with edgy on i386 architecture
[12:42] <tobias> firefishe: aah! I see, yes its wonderfull! he is such a positive influence on everyone around.
[12:43] <intelikey> restricted is the only repo i don't have (of the four common ones)  and kdevelop is the only part of kde that didn't install correctly  dependancy problem
[12:43] <giometz> Hi to you all
[12:43] <dennister> IF you install it with a clean install, and have the hardware to handle it...apparently it doesn't do so well with older hardware and upgrading
[12:43] <tobias> hello :)
[12:44] <BluesKaj> well tobias, i like the challenge of linux and when i solve aproblem , i usually end up creating another one due to my less than cautious curiosity
[12:44] <giometz> why apt-get dist-upgrade does not upgrade my amarok (1.4.3) although the new version (1.4.4) has been released the 30th of october with the kubuntu packages?
[12:44] <tobias> hehehe
[12:44] <intelikey> /nick crash_test_dummy
[12:45] <dennister> at least....that's been my experience, and I'm adding all the stuff I've heard here and elsewhere...i'm sure other people with older hardware and upgrades should speak for themselves, in regard to their experience
[12:45] <tobias> thats how we learn in life as well blueskaj :)
[12:45] <jdiwnab> w00t! I finished upgrading from 5.10 to 6.06!
[12:45] <BluesKaj> it's nice meeting interesting and interested ppl here, mostly always willing to help with good advice too :)
[12:46] <dennister> I love great companies who build their reputations on good tech support and good return/rma policies :)
[12:46] <Firefishe> tobias, BluesKaj:  Want challenge?  Install kubuntu on a G4 PowerBook (PowerPC-based) laptop ;)
[12:46] <tobias> blueskaj: yes! I started learning stuff from others here, and now I am able to help some people with problems too, so its like a constantly growing knowledge base
[12:46] <dennister> BluesKaj: i'll agree there, too, as I found out about the Linux Caffee in Toronto here in the irc channel
[12:47] <blanky> hey guys
[12:47] <dennister> I even plan to attend the Ubuntu lug meeting in a couple of days...maybe I can help witht he marketing effort
[12:47] <BluesKaj> hehe , interesting Firefishe , that you should say that, cuz my daughter is returning from the far east next spring with an old trusty powerbook
[12:47] <blanky> sometimes when I log off/restart/shutdown, my kde session closes (apparently at least) but my computer hangs there, on a black screen, so then I have to press the turn off button on my computer and when I turn it back on I have problems, like, just now I had disk problems, and now I'm experiencing weird kde bugs, like visual artifacts
[12:48] <tobias> :)
[12:48] <Firefishe> BluesKaj: What model?
[12:48] <Maxilein> Heya guys
[12:48] <Maxilein> just a question.... wanted to get the new edgy elt but am not sure about the right ISO image
[12:48] <dennister> did u guys know this is Ubuntu OpenWeek? lots of events (including learning events) in other ubuntu-related irc channels
[12:49] <Maxilein> there are several options on the download page but there is no alternate CD
[12:49] <BluesKaj> you in toronto tobias, I'm near sudbury... was in toronto last week visiting my other daughter at bayview and sheppard
[12:49] <Maxilein> whichone isa the LIVE CD which offers an install option and which one is the alternate one?
[12:49] <tobias> blueskaj: I live in Norway :)
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Firefishe, I'm not sure ..she bought it taipei
[12:49] <dennister> Maxilein: first, what do you want to do with your linux installation?
[12:50] <BluesKaj> oh IC tobias, IRC cafe'
[12:50] <tobias> blueskaj: Im gonan go visit canada at some point though, I heard they have vegan hotdogs on the streets.
[12:50] <tobias> gonna even
[12:50] <tobias> and Im vegan so I like to go see if its true ;)
[12:50] <BluesKaj> gwad ..vegan hotdawgs  :(
[12:50] <dennister> Maxilein: do you just want a desktop, or do u want a mythtv installation?
[12:50] <Maxilein> dennister: why? What is the difference between the alternate and the live cd?  I thought it should give me the same system once it is installed
[12:50] <tobias> hehehe
[12:51] <Maxilein> dennister: mythtv?  never heard...
[12:51] <jdiwnab> !update
[12:51] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[12:51] <Firefishe> BluesKaj: Actually, they're pbly delicious.  Most textured vegetable protein can be formulated so that it is quite palatable.  Much like kubuntu on the power pc ;) hee
[12:51] <Maxilein> dennister: I want a surf and fun PC which is also used as a testing server on my localhost (just for me)
[12:51] <intelikey> blanky don't use the power button.  use  [SysRQ] +[alt] +[u]    and then   [SysRQ] +[alt] +[b]     should emergensy remount read only the disk then reset the box    if it doesn't work that way,  then we have the power button...
[12:51] <dennister> because I wanted a mythbox, which needs a lamp server first...I love using my lamp server
[12:51] <Firefishe> I'm sticking with dapper
[12:51] <BluesKaj> dennister, is in canada, but i forgot where
[12:51] <blanky> intelikey: hey! long time no see! SysRQ?
[12:52] <Firefishe> dennister: what is a lamp server?  something to turn your house lights on and off? ;)
[12:52] <Maxilein> ok, I rephrase ... where can I get the LIVE CD with install option?
[12:52] <Kr4t05> Maxilein: www.kubuntu.com/download.php
[12:52] <intelikey> blanky yea it's normaly with the print screen button
[12:52] <BluesKaj> !live cd
[12:52] <ubotu> Ubuntu Dapper 'Desktop' CD contains a Live CD (Ubuntu that runs straight off the CD and RAM) with an install option. Breezy's Live CD contained no install.
[12:52] <dennister> Maxilein: you want the ubuntu-server 6.10 then...it's all text-based, and when that's installed you just "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[12:52] <blanky> intelikey: ah I see it thanks! :)
[12:53] <Firefishe> !lamp
[12:53] <ubotu> lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL.  For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP  -  See also the Server CD install menu.
[12:53] <BluesKaj> !edgy cd
[12:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about edgy cd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:53] <Kr4t05> !bot
[12:53] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[12:53] <dennister> once you have the server backend installed, then you add the X-windows graphical desktops on top of the server backend
[12:53] <Maxilein> Kr4t05: Came until there ... but there is no alternate or live cd listed ... so I assume one of both does not exist any longer
[12:53] <Maxilein> so which one is the right link?
[12:54] <dennister> Maxilein: r u following me?
[12:54] <Kr4t05> Maxilein: The live cd is the install CD
[12:54] <DaSkreech> tobias: needa vegan wallet?
[12:54] <Firefishe> dennister: ah, that makes sense.
[12:54] <Maxilein> kubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso
[12:54] <Maxilein> is this the right one?
[12:54] <BluesKaj> dennister, why is it called the 'back end " ?
[12:54] <Kr4t05> Yes!
[12:54] <Maxilein> Kr4t05 Yes to me?
[12:54] <Kr4t05> Maxilein: yes
[12:54] <Maxilein> Yes to kubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso ?
[12:54] <dennister> i call it a backend, not everyone does, because of what I use it for
[12:54] <Maxilein> thank you
[12:54] <Firefishe> BluesKaj: it's similar to running a daemon in the background.
[12:54] <Kr4t05> Maxilein: For the third time. Yes
[12:54] <dennister> Maxilein: no!
[12:55] <Maxilein> dennister no?
[12:55] <tobias> daskreech: there is one?
[12:55] <Maxilein> Thank you guys
[12:55] <tobias> daskreech: :D
[12:55] <dennister> if you want a server, u want the ubuntu-server first
[12:55] <Maxilein> have a nice evening
[12:55] <Maxilein> cya
[12:55] <DaSkreech> No I just recall a venn chart Diagram suddenly :)
[12:55] <Kr4t05> dennister: don't confuse him any more.
[12:55] <BluesKaj> ok, that gives me a clue . :)
[12:55] <dennister> ok...i guess it's a matter of opinion
[12:55] <intelikey> blanky the ubuntu kernel has SysRQ calls enabled    and it's good to know what they are.    like    [SysRQ] +[alt] +R  to reset the keyboard  if [alt] +[ctrl] +[f#]  doesn't work    or    [SysRQ] +[alt] +E  to kill everything  if something has an expensive run-away    or that   [SysRQ] +[alt] +U  to remount,ro     or    [SysRQ] +[alt] +B  to "reset" the box      there are others also   but i'm prolly off topic
[12:55] <tobias> daskreech: what is that?
[12:55] <Kr4t05> Question.
[12:56] <dennister> he decided not to listen to me anyway :)
[12:56] <blanky> intelikey: thanks! :)
[12:56] <DaSkreech> dennister: good thing
[12:56] <Kr4t05> Is there anyway for the Dapper Install CD to update things to Edgy?
[12:56] <tobias> daskreech: give me a vegan wallet :D
[12:56] <dennister> why?  is that installation method too confusing for noobs?
[12:57] <intelikey> Kr4t05 no.   all you get out of the install cd is install
[12:57] <DaSkreech> dennister: Nope just you explaining it :)
[12:57] <dennister> at least, we're assuming he's a noob, cause he didn't know what a lamp server was
[12:57] <BluesKaj> dennister, Most Installs are confusing for us noobs :)
[12:57] <intelikey> Kr4t05 you can 'upgrade'  but it's proven better to do a clean install if possable
[12:57] <intelikey> !upgrade
[12:57] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[12:58] <jdiwnab> Is it better to apt-get or use the update manager?
[12:58] <dennister> well i was a brand new noob < 4 months ago, and i've done many isntalls since, with my method
[12:58] <BluesKaj> dennister, i thought you were gonna say a lamp server came in bottle ...genie !
[12:58] <Kr4t05> intelikey: I would, but my net connection is considerably slower on the Live CD than on a regular install.
[12:59] <Kr4t05> intelikey: All I have right now is the Dapper CD, so I'm going to perform a fresh install of Dapper and then go to Edgy off the cuff.
[12:59] <intelikey> jdiwnab apt/adept/aptitude/deslesct are all front/back/ends to dpkg the debian package manager
[12:59] <dennister> anyway...on to other topics
[12:59] <Firefishe> !lamp
[12:59] <ubotu> lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL.  For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP  -  See also the Server CD install menu.
[12:59] <intelikey> Kr4t05 see the link ^
[01:00] <BluesKaj> yeah dennister, I'll bet you were a noob <-4mos ago :)
[01:00] <Kr4t05> intelikey: the one for LAMP?
[01:00] <intelikey> !upgrade | Kr4t05
[01:00] <ubotu> Kr4t05: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[01:00] <intelikey> that one
[01:01] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: We are all noobs now we just don't know it :)
[01:01] <Kr4t05> intelikey: I already know how to upgrade, I was merely asking if there was a way to do it from the live CD.
[01:02] <intelikey> Kr4t05 this is linux  there is always a way or fifty five...    but not for the faint of heart
[01:02] <Kr4t05> intelikey: I'm getting a new hard drive later this week, anyway. I'm just putting together a temporary install in the meantime.
[01:03] <intelikey> so why upgrade the dapper then   if it's for 3/2 days ???
[01:03] <dennister> tobias: when u come to Toronto, let me know...they have lots of vegan possibilities for dining here
[01:04] <tobias> dennister kool! I will! :)
[01:04] <BluesKaj> ahh you are in tranna, dennister, :)
[01:04] <BluesKaj> i;d forgotten
[01:04] <dennister> although i do have to warn you...lots of vegan and vegetarian folks I know still have problems...u have to know where to look for the info
[01:05] <tobias> the vegan stuff is hidden?
[01:05] <dennister> it's just not mainstream...you look in certain places/sources for the resataurants
[01:06] <dennister> and yes, we pronounce it tranna :)
[01:06] <tobias> viana=vegan
[01:06] <tobias> :)
[01:06] <BluesKaj> no kidding ...lived there for a few yrs myself , when i was young and crazy
[01:07] <dennister> it's the teens my son hangs out with who are the majority of the vegetarians/vegans...and they don't have enough $ yet to influence the mainstream
[01:07] <DralaFi> vegan is weird.
[01:07] <tobias> ahh
[01:07] <tobias> I think vegan is fun!
[01:07] <dennister> spoken like a true mainstreamer :)
[01:08] <intelikey> every one is weird.  you are all krazy.  why don't you act like me ?
[01:08] <BluesKaj> my youngest pays lipservice veganism, but i know she sneaks a burger in now and then :)
[01:08] <tobias> I never cooked so much before, I learned how to cook out of necessity, now I make lots of cake and stuff I would never dream about before
[01:08] <deitarion> I've never used kubuntu, but I'm curious. Have you guys come up with a KDE equivalent to gksudo? It'd be a nice thing to install on my Gentoo box.
[01:08] <DralaFi> i can understand if someone has to be vegan if they have health problems.
[01:08] <DralaFi> but not otherwise.
[01:08] <BluesKaj> cake ? ... bad for ya
[01:08] <tobias> I made a cake club! I make people come to my house and make vegan cake for me
[01:08] <tobias> while I film them
[01:09] <tobias> its nice
[01:09] <dennister> u with your cooking; me with my linux adventure...i've been a gourmet baker/chef for many, many years
[01:09] <jdiwnab> vegan cake?
[01:09] <tobias> jdiwnab: yupp without eggs and milk, no problems
[01:09] <intelikey> deitarion  hehhe bee there for ever.   kdesu
[01:09] <intelikey> been
[01:09] <dennister> with no butter, eggs, or milk products, right?
[01:09] <BluesKaj> eeew , vegan linux ...could it be next ...I hope not
[01:09] <LeeJunFan> go figure, people in #windows are too busy talking about viruses to answer a simple question about batch files! hah
[01:09] <deitarion> intelikey: In that case, how do you configure kdesu to behave as sudo rather than su?
[01:09] <BluesKaj> hehe
[01:10] <tobias> with margarine instead of butter and soy milk instead of cow milk and banana instead of egg :)
[01:10] <dennister> hehehee...viruses
[01:10] <DralaFi> virii
[01:10] <tobias> vegan linux!! wee! how would that work??
[01:10] <BluesKaj> bananaramma
[01:10] <LeeJunFan> yeah, on linux I'm too busy being productive to worry about fixing my machine all the time :p
[01:10] <jdiwnab> I believe that it is viruses
[01:10] <intelikey> deitarion idk  the ubuntu team didn't seem to have a problem    but i'm not part of that....
[01:10] <tobias> isnt linux allready pretty vegan?
[01:10] <deitarion> I'll drop over to #kde and ask then. Thanks.
[01:10] <dennister> but I'm gonna have to go back to winblows mce for my tv recording/watching for a coupla weks :(
[01:10] <BluesKaj> you get hungry for more after 40 mins
[01:11] <tobias> hehehe
[01:11] <tobias> more linux!
[01:11] <tobias> just 40 minutes of linux and you need more!
[01:11] <deitarion> tobias: Ever tried frozen bananas, water, and vanilla in a blender? Tastes exactly like a banana milkshake with vanilla ice cream.
[01:11] <dennister> while my tuner is in transit to Hauppauge, NY and back
[01:11] <tobias> deitarion: ooh Im gonna try that
[01:11] <jdiwnab> I haven't been able to get a solid 40 minutes of linux for years, they all mess up on me
[01:11] <tobias> thanks deitarion
[01:12] <jdiwnab> hopefully it won't this time
[01:12] <deitarion> tobias: Freeze 2 bananas. Break in half, add enough water to float them, and once they've been blended to fluid, add vanilla to taste.
[01:12] <DaSkreech> deitarion: kdesu?
[01:12] <Firefishe> tobias:  ./veggiefigure && makeveggies && make install veggies
[01:12] <dennister> another great shake is cold coffee/sanka, crushed ice, and soy milk
[01:12] <tobias> firefishe: for real?
[01:12] <deitarion> DaSkreech: Yeah, now I'm wondering how to make it behave as sudo rather than su.
[01:12] <Firefishe> tobias:  no, not for real ;) hee,.
[01:12] <dennister> like a cold ice-cappucino
[01:13] <intelikey> "<jdiwnab> I haven't been able to get a solid 40 minutes of linux for years,"   how can you break linux in less than an hour ?
[01:13] <Firefishe> tobias:  That's similar to "how do you romance a girl with linux?  Answer:  ./configher && make && make out ;)
[01:13] <deitarion> tobias: Also, frozen bananas and strawberries in a food processor with no water make amazing "ice cream".
[01:13] <tobias> deitarion Im putting it into my kontakt :)
[01:13] <jdiwnab> well... It is more that it wouldn't start working
[01:13] <tobias> mmmm
[01:13] <dennister> now I'm getting hungry :( came online to ask a question about wine
[01:14] <tobias> deitarion: I like to try new icecreams
[01:14] <tobias> deitarion: Im gonna put this in my notebook in kontakt
[01:14] <intelikey> jdiwnab not installing it on a C128 are ya ?
[01:14] <Firefishe> deitarion: now *thatI* sounds scrumptious
[01:14] <Firefishe> *that* rather
[01:14] <DaSkreech> deitarion: There was a patch into it about two weeks back
[01:14] <jdiwnab> naw, but my microsoft wireless card, and strange video cards don't help
[01:15] <dennister> Q: I've now got wine installed, and the fake windows drive is there, do I just stick my winblows office disk in the cd drive to install work in wine?
[01:15] <dennister> i can't exactly download it like the howtos suggest
[01:15] <lupine_85> dennister: give it a try
[01:15] <deitarion> tobias: One other good summer snack is frozen grapes. Just pick 'em, bag 'em, freeze 'em, and they're like cold candy.
[01:15] <intelikey> jdiwnab umm hmm   don't blame linux for your M$ only hardware...    you got exactly what you paid for.
[01:15] <jdiwnab> heh
[01:15] <lupine_85> the setup program will install to whatever it thinks c: is - assuming the setup program works in wine
[01:16] <tobias> nice!
[01:16] <tobias> :D
[01:16] <jdiwnab> It worked in Suse, but my video card didn't. Then my network card didn't work in ubuntu the first 5 times
[01:16] <tobias> my friends used to make me grapes with alchohol in them in the freezer
[01:16] <tobias> I tried it once, not a good idea
[01:16] <DaSkreech> jdiwnab: Matrox Video cards?
[01:16] <tobias> too easy to get drunk
[01:16] <tobias> :)
[01:17] <deitarion> tobias: Finally, to balance it out with a winter snack, chocolate "milk" can be had with roughly two heaping spoonfulls of unsweetened cocoa powder, roughly two cups of maple syrup, and however much condensed coconut milk you need to make it creamy.
[01:17] <dennister> well apparently word 2003 does work in wine, it's in the wine database...i just don't know how to install it from a cd into wine, as the howtos say to download programs
[01:17] <jdiwnab> Some strange integrated ATI stuff
[01:17] <tobias> ooh! cocomilk!
[01:17] <tobias> its so nice not to have to use the soy milk all the time
[01:17] <DralaFi> but you can't drink milk!
[01:17] <tobias> or the rice\oat milk
[01:17] <jdiwnab> but I got an old comptuer to play with and have it sharing internet with my windows box, so it seems to be working now
[01:18] <tobias> I can drink coconutmilk! :D
[01:18] <tobias> dralafi: i cant drink cowmilk
[01:18] <DaSkreech> tobias: Soy Juice
[01:18] <DralaFi> tobias, but why won't you eat meat and drink cow milk?
[01:18] <tobias> dralafi: or wont rathr
[01:18] <DaSkreech> You can't milk a Soy bean
[01:18] <DaSkreech>  at least not the last time I tried
[01:18] <dennister> the howtos just talk about downloading apps and their executable files
[01:19] <intelikey> DaSkreech gerber does it.
[01:19] <deitarion> tobias: To be honest, we don't get "... milk" much. I usually prefer the tropical juice blends, especially Tropicana's Paradise Blend.
[01:19] <DaSkreech> intelikey: gerber milks the public
[01:19] <intelikey> that too
[01:19] <tobias> daskreech: I have to call it something, and I dont like the word juice for it does not have the same qualities as juice for me, while milk is the most common term that I can think off, its like yea I can use it for everything milk can be used for with no exception so why not just call it soy milk? :)
[01:20] <DaSkreech> Because milk requires mammry glands?
[01:20] <intelikey> cow juice ?
[01:20] <intelikey> moo juice   that is.
[01:21] <purpleposeidon> moo-moo milk
[01:21] <dennister> here goes...sticking the ms office dvd in...
[01:21] <tobias> dralafi: various reasons have made me decide to stop consuming products that I belive are harming the planet and other beings(humans and other animals alike) one of the products I have chosen to stear away from is animal products, one of the reasons is that they cut down the rainforest, grow food for animals there(in brazil) and transport the food all the way to norway where they feed it to animals, and then the energy that is fed to the animal
[01:21] <tobias> o the animals are treated horribly, its nothing like it used to be.
[01:21] <intelikey> ewh glands    how discusting.
[01:22] <DaSkreech> stear away :-)
[01:22] <tobias> hehe
[01:22] <tobias> its norwenglish no doubt
[01:23] <intelikey> but what about the poor plants   don't they count ?
[01:23] <tobias> it means to avoid
[01:23] <intelikey> they have feelings too
[01:23] <DaSkreech> I've often wondered that
[01:23] <intelikey> you guys crack me up.
[01:23] <tobias> intelikey: yes they do, but when I am vegan I absorb one tenth of the plants I would absorb on a meat+dairy based diet
[01:23] <DaSkreech> Soylent cola?
[01:23] <DaSkreech> Soylent Greens for everyone! :)
[01:24] <Winter> DaSkreech: oh gad
[01:24] <DralaFi> tobias, ok, but coputers and the energy they consume also harm the planet, and has certainly harmed my eyesight. So by that count, is it logical for us all to stop using computers? I mean, I don't like the fact that animals are being killed for us, but you can't exactly stop because then you're sabotageing your survival.
[01:24] <tobias> its made out of people!!
[01:24] <DaSkreech> heehee :)
[01:24] <DaSkreech> tobias: would you advocate everone to be vegan?
[01:24] <tobias> dralafi: I dont have to do everything to do one right thing do I? I can try my best... you know :) everything counts
[01:24] <dennister> ok...sticking the dvd in is not working...how do i install this app from dvd into wine?
[01:25] <tobias> daskreech: I would advocate everyone to think for themselves and question all "truths"
[01:25] <DralaFi> tobias, true.
[01:25] <deitarion> According to a guy in #kde, kdesu uses sudo by using "sudo su -" but he has no idea how to alter it's behaviour.
[01:25] <DralaFi> intelikey, hahaha :)
[01:25] <DaSkreech> intelikey: You can't be down with energy
[01:25] <DaSkreech> that's silly u plutonian
[01:25] <intelikey> DaSkreech it's my chant leave it alone  !
[01:25] <Firefishe> Can 'sux' be used in place of sudo?
[01:25] <intelikey> :)
[01:25] <Firefishe> or will it mess things up in ubuntu?
[01:25] <DaSkreech> tobias: ha ha ok but this is waty O-T now
[01:26] <tobias> :D
[01:26] <tobias> this is fun
[01:26] <Firefishe> up with if, in fact "ifup" ;)
[01:27] <tobias> there are many nice people here I can see :)
[01:27] <DaSkreech> ha ha :)
[01:27] <intelikey> * DaSkreech/#kubuntu chants "down with Chanting, *   hehhe   that's kinda the pot calling the kettel mule isn't it     lol
[01:27] <jdiwnab> <.<
[01:28] <intelikey> can't say black, it might offend someone.
[01:28] <DralaFi> intelikey, #000000
[01:29] <intelikey> DralaFi come on....    this channel went to hell an hour ago.   ;/
[01:29] <DralaFi> intelikey, or unsigned char the_colour[3]  = {0,0,0};
[01:30] <DralaFi> intelikey, it went to hell? :D didn't notice
[01:30] <tobias> we are in hell now? who would have thought it was so pleasent.
[01:33] <intelikey> off hand anyone know where the xdm config is ?
[01:33] <DralaFi> ooh, anyone still use xdm?
[01:33] <DralaFi> i think it might be somewhere under /etc/X11/
[01:33] <Hawkwind> intelikey: /etc/X11/xdm ?
[01:33] <intelikey> yeah found it /etc/X11/xdm
[01:33] <intelikey> ty
[01:34] <DralaFi> :)
[01:35] <intelikey> hmmm but nothing on passwordless login
[01:36] <jdiwnab> hrm
[01:36] <jdiwnab> I was using the update manager for upgrading
[01:36] <jdiwnab> and it seemed to have stopped after downloading everything
[01:37] <DaSkreech> adept?
[01:37] <jdiwnab> I don't know
[01:37] <jdiwnab> I went to the update manager and said upgrade and it downloaded everything to upgrade from 6.06 yo 6.10
[01:38] <jdiwnab> then stopped
[01:39] <DaSkreech> ah
[01:39] <DaSkreech> is there a full upgrade button?
[01:39] <DralaFi> yes, it's the big red one
[01:40] <DralaFi> well not really. but there should be a full upgrade button in Adept.
[01:40] <Launchpad-Lap> can kubuntu run good as a server?
[01:40] <DralaFi> isn't kubuntu for desktop/laptop uses? ie. users who just want a workstation, and not a server?
[01:40] <bobbyshafter> reading some of the thread online that is not a good way to upgrade from dapper to edge
[01:40] <Launchpad-Lap> ?
[01:40] <DaSkreech> Launchpad-Lap: as wel las Ubuntu
[01:41] <jdiwnab> hopefully I didn't hose my system a second time
[01:41] <DaSkreech> tobias: http://mako.cc/copyrighteous/reflections/20061116-00.html
[01:41] <DralaFi> Launchpad-Lap, get debian, slackware or something similar, perhaps. depends on your requirements.
[01:41] <Launchpad-Lap> is debian freeware?
[01:41] <BluesKaj> yup
[01:41] <Launchpad-Lap> basicly i just want a fileserver/printer server
[01:41] <galileu> alguem me entende ai?
[01:41] <Launchpad-Lap> and possiable a fileserver
[01:41] <DaSkreech> Launchpad-Lap: It's open Source and free
[01:41] <Launchpad-Lap> err doman
[01:41] <Launchpad-Lap> domain
[01:42] <Launchpad-Lap> opern source doesnt = free though lol
[01:42] <DaSkreech> galileu: espanol?
[01:42] <BluesKaj> !pt
[01:42] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[01:42] <BluesKaj> !es
[01:42] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[01:42] <intelikey> DralaFi the default install is geared that way but *buntu is a full linux distro.
[01:42] <Launchpad-Lap> !debian
[01:42] <galileu> no brasileiro
[01:42] <ubotu> Debian is "the rock upon which Ubuntu is founded". To see more details on the relationship, see: http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship
[01:42] <DaSkreech> !br
[01:42] <bobbyshafter> i think you would have to edit your sourses list first ,then do aptget
[01:42] <DaSkreech> !br | galileu
[01:42] <ubotu> galileu: Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[01:42] <Launchpad-Lap> have yall heard of eyeOS?
[01:42] <DralaFi> intelikey, i know. but how much work do you need to put in to strip all the new cutting edge stuff and make it a solid server?
[01:42] <Launchpad-Lap> aptget work niced for me
[01:43] <intelikey> DralaFi use the "alternate" install cd
[01:43] <DaSkreech> DralaFi: install ubuntu-server
[01:43] <DaSkreech> Easy peasy :)
[01:43] <Launchpad-Lap> ubuntu-server?
[01:43] <Launchpad-Lap> what be that
[01:44] <intelikey> !ubuntu-server
[01:44] <DaSkreech> Yeah it's a package
[01:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubuntu-server - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:44] <DralaFi> intelikey, i installed from alternate, and still ended up with all the fancy desktop stuff.
[01:44] <Launchpad-Lap> lol
[01:44] <DaSkreech>  Heehee
[01:44] <DaSkreech> DralaFi: They have an option to install or install Server
[01:44] <intelikey> DralaFi yes that's one option on it.
[01:44] <DralaFi> DaSkreech, yeah, i heard of that, should look into it at some point. thanks for reminding me :)
[01:44] <Launchpad-Lap> can kubuntu open an rpm file?
[01:44] <adolfo> which are the "name" of the webserver`s user ?
[01:44] <LjL> !rpm
[01:44] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[01:44] <DaSkreech> !alien
[01:44] <adolfo> apache2
[01:45] <DaSkreech> adolfo: depends onthe webserver
[01:45] <Launchpad-Lap> booo
[01:45] <Launchpad-Lap> lol
[01:45] <adolfo> DaSkreech: apache 2
[01:45] <dennister> ok: my tab completion in konsole isn't working :( there's a problem with my kde initialization
[01:45] <intelikey> !lamp
[01:45] <ubotu> lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL.  For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP  -  See also the Server CD install menu.
[01:45] <DralaFi> intelikey, DaSkreech: heh, i was obviously not paying much attention to the ubuntu installer :D thanks for correcting me :)
[01:45] <BluesKaj> usually RPM files have their dedpkg equivalents
[01:45] <DaSkreech> DralaFi: it's choice one :)
[01:45] <Launchpad-Lap> i wanna pratice on kubuntu before i buy this cheap system and put it on
[01:45] <BluesKaj> dev
[01:45] <Launchpad-Lap> that way ill have my amd to run win2k3
[01:46] <dennister> how do i fix the tab completion issue first?
[01:46] <DaSkreech> Launchpad-Lap: What can you only get as a rpm ?
[01:46] <jdiwnab> Anyone know why updating seemed to stop after downloading everything?
[01:46] <Launchpad-Lap> a file called "kernel-2.6.18-1.2238.fc5.src.rpm
[01:46] <Launchpad-Lap> i think its fedora core though
[01:46] <LjL> ...
[01:46] <LjL> !kernel
[01:46] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[01:47] <BluesKaj> yup, it would be
[01:47] <Dark_Vampire> Ive got a problem with java
[01:47] <Dark_Vampire> I`ve allready installed it but it dont run in Firefox
[01:47] <Launchpad-Lap> i am though trying to install ntfs-3g
[01:48] <Launchpad-Lap> does the 6.06 kubuntu have the server edition on it?
[01:48] <LjL> not the normal Desktop CD
[01:49] <Launchpad-Lap> grr
[01:49] <intelikey> Launchpad-Lap http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.18.3.tar.bz2
[01:49] <Launchpad-Lap> i need to bly some blank cds
[01:49] <Launchpad-Lap> ty
[01:49] <adolfo> www-data
[01:50] <DralaFi> hey, anyone else having hal + kde difficulty with kernels ~~ 2.6.18 ?
[01:51] <BluesKaj> I find MythTv abit daunting to install..i already have TVTime , but it's video resoultion an colour suck pretty badly...anyone know of any other TV tuner/video programs one can use to watch tv and record it on a pc ?
[01:51] <Launchpad-Lap> why are they making u buy the new cds for ubuntu
[01:52] <dennister> BluesKaj: there's motu...supposed to be newer/better than xawtv
[01:52] <dennister> and there's kdetv
[01:52] <BluesKaj> moyu and kdetv eh ...thx dennister, :)
[01:52] <BluesKaj> motu rather
[01:52] <tobias> daskreech: lol what a nice wallet :D
[01:52] <zblach> hey all
[01:52] <dennister> although i don't know if they record tv, do ur research
[01:52] <zblach> any laptop gurus?
[01:52] <DaSkreech> tobias: and Venn Diagram :)
[01:53] <tobias> hehe
[01:53] <tobias> I want one of those wallets for real!
[01:53] <dennister> they won't work with my ivtv card, it's in the documentation, but if tvtime works for you your card is probably supported with these other tvapps
[01:54] <tobias> daskreech: its possible to make a hemp wallet and just modify it to make rfid proof!
[01:54] <Launchpad-Lap> anyone here used ntfs-3g yet?
[01:54] <tobias> daskreech: there are allready lots of vegan wallets :)
[01:54] <dennister> ok: the problem I'm immediately trying to get some help with: in my syslog i get a few kde-related errors, like this one: kdm_greet[4273] : Internal error: memory corruption detected
[01:54] <DaSkreech> jdiwnab: what are you using to upgrade?
[01:54] <jdiwnab> update manager
[01:54] <intelikey> Launchpad-Lap i don't do windows.
[01:55] <dennister> anyone seen that one before, and know the fix?
[01:55] <DaSkreech> Launchpad-Lap: You can fake it wit hthe desktop CD but it's much more annoying
[01:55] <DaSkreech> !laptop
[01:55] <ubotu> Laptop support information can be found on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops - http://www.linux-laptop.net/ - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam - http://tuxmobil.org
[01:55] <Launchpad-Lap> eh well i kubuntu installed on one partion on the hd.. and my other partions are ntfs
[01:55] <Launchpad-Lap> yeah kubuntu doesnt run well on my delle1405
[01:56] <DaSkreech> Launchpad-Lap: if you want you can aptitude remove kdelibs4c2a and then apt-get install ubuntu-server and there you go
[01:56] <DaSkreech> jdiwnab: try apt-get
[01:56] <DaSkreech> jdiwnab: If you aren't command line averse
[01:57] <jdiwnab> I'm afriad to do much, would it hurt to close the command line when it looks to be in the middle of a frozen operation?
[01:57] <dennister> ctrl-c jdiwnab
[01:57] <zblach> anyone know what scripts are executed on startup/hibernate?
[01:57] <jdiwnab> that might work
[01:57] <Launchpad-Lap> apt-get is nice
[01:57] <Launchpad-Lap> runing 6.10 nicely
[01:57] <MidMark> someone familiar with kio::copy?
[01:57] <DaSkreech> jdiwnab: You can ask for help here and fix stuff
[01:58] <DaSkreech>  just don't reboot if stuff goes wrong :)
[01:58] <dennister> anyone seen this syslog error b4? kdm_greet[4273] : Internal error: memory corruption detected
[01:58] <jdiwnab> heh
[01:58] <jdiwnab> I already hosed the system once last night
[01:58] <dennister> that's one of 2 i'm getting, and it gets repeated
[01:58] <jdiwnab> don't remove your video card when the comptuer is on
[01:59] <dennister> jdiwnab: u trying to get mythtv going?
[01:59] <jdiwnab> nope, I just accidently knocked it out
[02:00] <dennister> sorry...heard you were talking about server install, then tuner...assumed you wanted mythtv
[02:00] <jdiwnab> I wasnt the server guy
[02:00] <jdiwnab> HOLY!
[02:00] <dennister> no...video card, my mistake again
[02:00] <jdiwnab> it was still working
[02:01] <jdiwnab> I tried to start apt-get and it said it couldn't get a lock, so I looked at the updater, that was hidden even though it looked closed, it it was still doing it's thing
[02:02] <jdiwnab> now it asks to restart
[02:02] <jdiwnab> should I?
[02:02] <Kr4t05> jdiwnab: Uh, yeah?
[02:03] <DaSkreech> jdi
[02:03] <DaSkreech> jdiwnab: try and updatea nd upgrade again :)
[02:03] <DaSkreech> I normally do cause I'm paranoid :)
[02:03] <jdiwnab> k
[02:03] <DaSkreech> jdiwnab: do you know irssi?
[02:03] <jdiwnab> nope
[02:04] <DaSkreech> jdiwnab: ok do you know about multiple terminals?
[02:04] <jdiwnab> some
[02:04] <jdiwnab> update manager says that it can't install everything right now
[02:04] <Launchpad-Lap> can kubuntu open a .bz2 file?
[02:04] <jdiwnab> yeah...
[02:05] <robotgeek> tar -jxf foo.bz2 , or right click and open
[02:05] <dennister> anyone know anything about memory corruption errors?
[02:05] <tobias> where is the ubuntuopenweek going on?
[02:05] <jdiwnab> just about anything can happen if you memory goes bad
[02:05] <Launchpad-Lap> kewlies robo
[02:06] <Launchpad-Lap> i think i just crashed kubuntu on the update lol
[02:06] <tobias> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[02:06] <tobias> aha!
[02:06] <dennister> gee thanks...i'm sure it's not though...but my kdm:greet at bootup is mentioning this
[02:06] <DaSkreech> dennister: I used to ... but my memory isn't what it used to be
[02:06] <DaSkreech> jdiwnab: Ok Press Alt+Ctrl+F1 if it works try Alt+Ctrl+F7 to get back here
[02:06] <dennister> lol...did u realize ur made a pun?
[02:07] <DaSkreech> dennister: me I'm not punny :(
[02:07] <Launchpad-Lap> lol i crashed adept manager
[02:07] <jdiwnab> OK, that seemed to work, DaSkreech
[02:07] <Launchpad-Lap> whats linux aqubalent of alt + ctrl + del
[02:08] <Kr4t05> Launchpad-Lap: Hrm... Depends.
[02:08] <Launchpad-Lap> ok in kubuntu 6.10
[02:08] <DaSkreech> jdiwnab: Ok if you can't get stuff to work you can press Alt+Ctrl+F1 and login
[02:08] <dennister> ok, i may have to make some room on a drive that's almost full, and run memseek...see if that fixes the probs at bootup with kdm, and tab-completion in bash...and why some of my preferences settings won't stay
[02:08] <Launchpad-Lap> cause i cant close adept manager now that i crashed it lol
[02:08] <DaSkreech> jdiwnab: Part two now. open a CLI and type irssi -c irc.freenode.net
[02:08] <dennister> bbl folks
[02:08] <Kr4t05> Launchpad-Lap: CTRL + ALT + Backspace will restart X.
[02:09] <DaSkreech> Launchpad-Lap: I think it's Alt+ctrl=Del
[02:09] <DaSkreech>  Launchpad-LapWhat does that normally do for you?
[02:09] <logicalbomb> I wonder if I could get black and white 2 working on my linux machine...
[02:09] <logicalbomb> with a Go5700 though... why would I bother/
[02:10] <DaSkreech> logicalbomb: To show that God does exist through eternity
[02:10] <DaSkreech> jdiwnab: Let me know what happens
[02:11] <jdiwnab> it is checking my ident
[02:11] <Launchpad-Lap> ctrl + alt + backspace a no go
[02:11] <jdiwnab> it then closed when it coudln't get my identd
[02:12] <Kr4t05> logicalbomb: Did they port B&W2, or are you using wine?
[02:12] <logicalbomb> DaSkreech: he exists on my Windows PC in blasphemy running on crossfire X1900 XTX's
[02:12] <DaSkreech> jdiwnab: hmm ok try just irssi then
[02:12] <logicalbomb> Kr4t05: no idea, haven't even tried it yet
[02:13] <Launchpad-Lap> nothing DaSkreech
[02:13] <Launchpad-Lap> hmm im assuming wine works on kubuntu
[02:14] <DaSkreech> Launchpad-Lap: What? what do you want Alt+Ctrl+Del to do?
[02:14] <Launchpad-Lap> well im looking for something simular to alt + ctrl + del
[02:14] <Launchpad-Lap> in windows
[02:14] <Launchpad-Lap> like a task manager
[02:14] <jdiwnab_> DaSkreech: I'm here now
[02:14] <DaSkreech> Launchpad-Lap: Ah try Ctrl+Esc
[02:14] <jdiwnab> I usually use xchat or something
[02:14] <DaSkreech> jdiwnab_: Ah this is in irssi?
[02:14] <jdiwnab> and over here is my windows box
[02:14] <Launchpad-Lap> just opened applications for me lol
[02:14] <jdiwnab_> this is irssi
[02:15] <DaSkreech> jdiwnab_: Ok if things go badly then you can use Alt+Ctrl+F1 to login and irssi to come here and get help
[02:16] <DaSkreech> what couldn't be upgraded?
[02:16] <jdiwnab> if things go badly, I have my windows box
[02:16] <jdiwnab> this is my windows box
[02:16] <DaSkreech> Launchpad-Lap: What DE are you using?
[02:16] <DaSkreech> jdiwnab: Ah didn't know that
[02:16] <jdiwnab> I said that a few times
[02:16] <jdiwnab> ;)
[02:16] <Launchpad-Lap> de?
[02:17] <Launchpad-Lap> The Kubuntu i have is 6.10
[02:17] <Launchpad-Lap> Dapper Dan
[02:17] <Launchpad-Lap> or something lol
[02:19] <jdiwnab> seems to be fully installed
[02:19] <Launchpad-Lap> lol
[02:20] <jdiwnab> boot screen different
[02:20] <jdiwnab> so something happened
[02:21] <jdiwnab> it's logging in
[02:21] <jdiwnab> seems to be ok
[02:21] <DaSkreech> jdiwnab: I know but after we started my little teaching session
[02:22] <jdiwnab> what should I check for?
[02:22] <murchadh> jdiwnab: Welcome back! Glad it's looking good so far.
[02:22] <jdiwnab> well, I learned how to use irssi
[02:22] <DaSkreech> jdiwnab: update and check for upgrades again :)
[02:23] <Kr4t05> jdiwnab: You have a partner in crime. I'm going from Dapper to Edgy.
[02:23] <jdiwnab> seems to be all up to date
[02:24] <jdiwnab> I think it worked
[02:24] <DaSkreech> Then Holla :)
[02:24] <Launchpad-Lap> dapper is 6.10, edgy is 6.06 right?
[02:24] <jdiwnab> other way, Launchpad-Lap
[02:24] <Kr4t05> Launchpad-Lap: other way around
[02:24] <jdiwnab> is there anything else i shoudl check?
[02:25] <Launchpad-Lap> ooo ok
[02:25] <Launchpad-Lap> hehe im catching on
[02:25] <jdiwnab> internet still works
[02:26] <Kr4t05> If I were to get a new harddrive, could I mount, partition and migrate everything over?
[02:27] <Kr4t05> Without reinstalling?
[02:27] <Launchpad-Lap> hmm i need to get that ubuntu book
[02:27] <Launchpad-Lap> my new job is gonna keep me board
[02:29] <larson9999> Kr4t05, that should work just fine.  i'd use gparted live cd to do it
[02:30] <bob> how do i upgrade to firefox 2.0 in Kubuntu Dapper?
[02:30] <intelikey> !ff
[02:30] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[02:30] <tobias> whenever I join a channel it says "no colors allowed" ... I find that a little disturbing..
[02:31] <tobias> what does it mean?
[02:31] <intelikey> tobias you like collour ?
[02:31] <tobias> intelikey: sure do
[02:32] <tobias> all colours!
[02:32] <tobias> colors
[02:32] <tobias> or something
[02:32] <Launchpad-Lap> black is a color
[02:32] <intelikey> means the server filters out the code that colours the text  your irc client probably adds colour to some things tho
[02:32] <Launchpad-Lap> white is a color
[02:32] <tobias> I seem to associate it with some parts of american history
[02:32] <Launchpad-Lap> clear isnt
[02:32] <Launchpad-Lap> lol
[02:33] <tobias> maybe im just a little crazy ;)
[02:33] <intelikey> clear is a colour too      what's wrong wif you.
[02:33] <Launchpad-Lap> u cant see clear
[02:33] <Launchpad-Lap> clear aint a color!
[02:34] <Launchpad-Lap> color not colour lol
[02:34] <tobias> "no color codes allowed" would be a more... specific thing...
[02:34] <SdSk8> Hello
[02:35] <intelikey> juz cause you kaint see it don't mean it aint no colour....  look at inferred or ultra-violet
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[02:35] <tobias> I cant see it, were all humans!
[02:35] <Launchpad-Lap> i can see it
[02:35] <tobias> color does not matter
[02:35] <tobias> :D
[02:35] <Launchpad-Lap> inferred is my favorite
[02:35] <Launchpad-Lap> hehe
[02:36] <tobias> I wish I was infrared
[02:36] <DralaFi> clear lets you see stuff behind the clear object, so you see whatever colour is behind it. so clear is multi-coloured! :D \o/
[02:36] <intelikey> tobias tell that to the traffic cop when you drive through a singal
[02:36] <Launchpad-Lap> no sneaking into a girls bathroom lol
[02:36] <tobias> lol
[02:37] <Launchpad-Lap> hehe stewie from family guy = funnnnny
[02:37] <tobias> clear is all colors!
[02:37] <DralaFi> clear is colour.*
[02:37] <Launchpad-Lap> clear isnt a color
[02:37] <tobias> clear is the rainbow, clear is the love we all share!
[02:37] <tobias> wee
[02:38] <intelikey> howto tell dpkg to ignore one dependancy and install without it ?
[02:38] <Launchpad-Lap> !dpkg
[02:38] <ubotu> dpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.
[02:38] <zblach> intelikey: -f
[02:38] <Launchpad-Lap> what do u use dpkg with?
[02:39] <intelikey> zblach force-all   but  that won't ignore a dep
[02:39] <DralaFi> you use dpkg with dpkg
[02:39] <zblach> intelikey: ah. ok, i don't know then
[02:39] <intelikey> Launchpad-Lap apt mostly   being a console guy
[02:39] <Launchpad-Lap> ooo like windows console panel? or alittle different?
[02:39] <intelikey> Launchpad-Lap lots diff
[02:39] <Launchpad-Lap> oo
[02:40] <Dekkard> console=cli=terminal
[02:40] <Launchpad-Lap> im assuming theres no razor copperback mouse drivers for kubuntu
[02:40] <DralaFi> intelikey, i don't know much about the apt system, but if it keeps a list of packages installed, could it be possible to edit the package list, add the entry for your dependency, then dpkg, then remove the hacked dependency?
[02:40] <zblach> quick issue. on boot, my laptop drops into hibernate
[02:40] <Launchpad-Lap> !copperback
[02:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about copperback - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:40] <intelikey> Launchpad-Lap   [alt] +[ctrl] +[f1]  to see a console     but remember  to  [alt] +[ctrl] +[f7]   to get back to your gui
[02:41] <intelikey> console != terminal
[02:41] <zblach> it detects the lidbutton as closed
[02:41] <Launchpad-Lap> i need that ubuntu book lol
[02:41] <Launchpad-Lap> http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&EAN=9780132435949&itm=2
[02:41] <Launchpad-Lap> that one
[02:41] <DaSkreech> Dink: There?
[02:41] <Dink> yeah
[02:42] <Launchpad-Lap> that book wouldnt happen to be an ebook online eh?
[02:42] <DaSkreech> http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2006/11/27/6086
[02:42] <Dekkard> Launchpad-Lap:  what are you trying to install?
[02:42] <bob> which works better or safer, Automatix or EasyUbuntu?
[02:42] <Launchpad-Lap> well i got kubuntu already installed
[02:42] <Dink> lol yeah i saw that
[02:42] <intelikey> Launchpad-Lap ever look into rute   rutebook is in the repos
[02:42] <LjL> bob: probably easyubuntu. but best is reading the documentation
[02:42] <Launchpad-Lap> i just want a book to help me thru it
[02:43] <LjL> http://help.ubuntu.com/community
[02:43] <Dink> bbl
[02:43] <Dink> gtg
[02:43] <Launchpad-Lap> rutebook?
[02:43] <Dekkard> through what?
[02:43] <intelikey> !rutebook
[02:43] <ubotu> rutebook: Linux: Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition, an online book. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.0-1 (edgy), package size 5468 kB, installed size 8264 kB
[02:43] <Dekkard> it is a pretty broad subject
[02:43] <Launchpad-Lap> eh i would prefer something close just to kubuntu/ubuntu
[02:44] <intelikey> chances are it's covered in rute
[02:44] <DaSkreech> k
[02:44] <DaSkreech> later  all
[02:44] <Launchpad-Lap> well would i beable to get rutebook from?
[02:44] <ryanakca> why are my keyboard layouts... gone? SysSet -> Regional & Language -> Keyboard Layout. They're all gone...
[02:45] <intelikey> read what the bot just said
[02:45] <Launchpad-Lap>  rutebook: Linux: Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition, an online book. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.0-1 (edgy), package size 5468 kB, installed size 8264 kB
[02:45] <Launchpad-Lap> no location lol
[02:45] <zblach> where would I find button state information?
[02:45] <intelikey> yes there is
[02:45] <intelikey> lol
[02:45] <Launchpad-Lap> well online dont count
[02:45] <Dekkard> you need to go into edit software sources/repositories and add universe
[02:45] <intelikey> and lol the location is In component multiverse  lol
[02:45] <Launchpad-Lap> some help lol
[02:45] <Dekkard> oops multiverse..what he said!!!
[02:45] <intelikey> as in the multiverse repository  lol
[02:46] <Launchpad-Lap> just let me get my 5th dimensional travling jeep out
[02:46] <Dekkard> dood
[02:46] <Launchpad-Lap> hmm its coming up at the debian site
[02:46] <jdiwnab> bah, only 5 dimentions
[02:46] <Launchpad-Lap> is that correct?
[02:47] <intelikey> !repos | Launchpad-Lap
[02:47] <ubotu> Launchpad-Lap: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[02:47] <Launchpad-Lap> yeah; X,Y,Z, Time, and Multiverse
[02:47] <Launchpad-Lap> why u ignoreing me :(
[02:47] <Dekkard> cant he just run synaptic..and edit the sources from there?
[02:47] <intelikey> Dekkard if he installs synaptic
[02:48] <Dekkard> Launchpad-Lap:  open a terminal
[02:48] <Launchpad-Lap> "our good behavor will be rewarded with love and plutominal
[02:48] <logicalbomb> !dpkg
[02:48] <ubotu> dpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.
[02:48] <intelikey> Dekkard if he reads that link it'll walk him throught it in adept
[02:48] <Dekkard> its called konsole
[02:48] <Dekkard> k..
[02:48] <Dekkard>  i just wouldnt want to resort to that old #linux addage of rt(fill in the blank) m
[02:49] <Launchpad-Lap> ok console is open
[02:49] <Dekkard> type this sudo apt-get install synaptic
[02:49] <logicalbomb> !synaptic
[02:49] <ubotu> synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[02:49] <Dekkard> groovy
[02:50] <Dekkard> man
[02:50] <Launchpad-Lap> eh
[02:50] <intelikey> !adept
[02:50] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[02:50] <Dekkard> adept crashes in my kde install..
[02:50] <Dekkard> it just goes kaflooey
[02:50] <intelikey> Dekkard edgy ?
[02:50] <Dekkard> yip
[02:50] <Launchpad-Lap> i got "E: could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - opem (11 Resource temp unavailable)
[02:50] <intelikey> figgers
[02:51] <Dekkard> do you have any other package tool open?
[02:51] <Launchpad-Lap> i think my apdept manager is killing it
[02:51] <Launchpad-Lap> yea
[02:51] <Launchpad-Lap> apt
[02:51] <Dekkard> thats why
[02:51] <Launchpad-Lap> hmm why is it that u can only have one package tool open?
[02:51] <Dekkard> cuz dey uses the same resources
[02:52] <Dekkard> er sumpin
[02:52] <Launchpad-Lap> ooo
[02:52] <DralaFi> goodnight everyone
[02:52] <Dekkard> nighters
[02:52] <Launchpad-Lap> nite
[02:53] <Dekkard> anyone here use konversation?
[02:53] <bob> QUESTION: Automatix or EasyUbuntu?
[02:53] <Dekkard> answer: brew yer own
[02:53] <Skrot_> Dekkard: I do
[02:54] <Dekkard> you like it.. its osrt of like xchat lite
[02:54] <Skrot_> I've loved it since the first release :)
[02:54] <Dekkard> koo
[02:54] <Skrot_> Better than xchat imo. Closer to mIRC for windows
[02:54] <n8k99> yes Dekkard
[02:54] <Dekkard> eeeeeee
[02:54] <Dekkard> and thats a good thing?
[02:54] <Dekkard> kidding
[02:54] <Skrot_> ofcourse ;)
[02:55] <Dekkard> i use a java client sometimes that is even more mirc like.. you can have multiple windows..
[02:55] <intelikey> ok anyone sharp on "aptitude" ?    how to mark a package as forbiden.
[02:55] <Dekkard> almost time for "Heros"
[02:56] <Dekkard> kachow!
[03:03] <bob> where was Brandon Holtsclaw? i thought this was a presentation by him
[03:05] <bob> tomorrow i may want to attend Ask Mark Shuttleworth, how will that chatroom be designated?
[03:08] <matrix> hi i still have trouble with my sound. hda intel ad198x (that's what aplay -l says)
[03:08] <matrix> it seems to be recognized correct
[03:08] <matrix> and it is a fifty fifty chance if it plays sound after start up
[03:09] <matrix> but as soon as i touch the wave volume settings in kmixer i don't hear anything any more
[03:09] <matrix> i am confused
[03:13] <dogg07> hey i just got kubuntu and im trying to figure how to get on the net can some one help please?
[03:14] <dogg07> im me please..
[03:14] <dogg07> can some one help me?
[03:15] <dogg07> anyone?
[03:15] <matrix> dogg07: do you have knetworkmanager installed?
[03:15] <intelikey> howto make an empty .deb ?
[03:16] <dogg07> i dont know i got the kubuntu instaltion disk and installed its self?
[03:16] <dogg07> my laptop has wireless modem.
[03:16] <dogg07> so how do i set this up?
[03:17] <intelikey> !wifi
[03:17] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:17] <intelikey> !ndiswarper
[03:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ndiswarper - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:17] <dogg07> i have both xp hime and kubuntu wifi yes..
[03:18] <intelikey> !ndiswraper
[03:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ndiswraper - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:18] <naught101> !ndiswrapper
[03:18] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:18] <matrix> in the kde start menu->internet do you have knetworkmanager there?
[03:19] <intelikey> never mind me... i'm still trying to learn how to make an empty .deb
[03:19] <matrix> dogg07: if not i'd recommend to install it via adept manager
[03:19] <intelikey> matrix install it from where ?
[03:20] <dogg07> its says something about susi?
[03:20] <matrix> adept manager, package manager: kde menue->system->adept manager ...
[03:20] <matrix> ui frontend to apt
[03:21] <dogg07> ok brb ill  look..
[03:21] <intelikey> matrix yeah without the network..... right.
[03:21] <eneried> hello boys
[03:21] <eneried> i need a little help
[03:22] <matrix> intelikey: adept manager is not for network setup
[03:22] <matrix> intelikey: of course you can install your packages right away from the internet when you are connected
[03:25] <eneried> i need to fix the characters in my tty mode, i can't read accents or words in other languages, because tty shows them like question marks, or yen symbols or other things,
[03:25] <eneried> this not occurs with dapper, but with edgy does
[03:26] <naught101> anyone know if it's safe to delete all the socket-* and cache-* folders from /home/me/.kde/
[03:26] <naught101> ?
[03:26] <intelikey> matrix what part of this are we not communicating on,   if the network is down and the install CD did not install an app  what are the chances of that app being installabel from the cd ?
[03:27] <Launchpad-Lap> ooo man im messedged up my somas hittinhg me
[03:27] <naught101> intelikey: matrix seemed to be talking to dogg07
[03:27] <naught101> keep your eyes peeled
[03:28] <Launchpad-Lap> lool
[03:28] <matrix> intelikey: i don't know if knetworkmanager is on the cd/dvd
[03:28] <dogg07> whats up do u need to load and programs off the dick to get wifi working or what?
[03:28] <intelikey> naught101 and i seem to be talking to him keep your just as peeled.
[03:28] <khatahn> hi, sometimes when i enter a website with firefox, the firefox window is not updated unless i resize it. that is, if it was blank before entering the website, it stays blank until i resize the window. anyone else experienced this problem?
[03:28] <dogg07> disks opps..
[03:29] <matrix> dogg07: do you have the knetworkmanager installed?
[03:29] <intelikey> matrix exactly.  and if he cant get to the network   you don't tell him to install something off the network to fix it so he can get to the network....   not if there is any other way.   that's all i was saying.
[03:30] <matrix> intelikey: what do i know if this app is on the cd or not?
[03:31] <matrix> dogg07: is it possible for  you to conncet via wire to the internet until you have your wlan up and running
[03:31] <intelikey> now you're talking.
[03:33] <dogg07> im on wifi with xp right now?
[03:34] <intelikey> dogg07 you can't fix linux from M$ xp      can you connect to the internet in any fassion from linux  as it is now ?
[03:34] <dogg07> do i rebbot and got kubuntu and set it up there?
[03:34] <matrix> dogg07: on the same machine you want to setup kubuntu?
[03:34] <dogg07> no.
[03:35] <matrix> dogg07: do you know what wireless network card you have?
[03:35] <dogg07> mabey dial up thats what i keep getting?
[03:35] <intelikey> dogg07 then you should dl the web pages that ubotu is about to show you and save them where you can read them from linux.
[03:35] <matrix> dogg07: so you have two machines. one you use to chat on the other you want to configure wifi
[03:36] <intelikey> !wifi | dogg07
[03:36] <ubotu> dogg07: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:36] <dogg07> no i just know i have a compaq presario m2000.
[03:37] <dogg07> no both programs are split one mashine..
[03:38] <matrix> dogg07: how is your wifi setup? wpa? wep? did you setup your router?
[03:38] <dogg07> no i just got the machine and it was allready set up?
[03:39] <dogg07> so do i need to change it in windows or kubuntu?
[03:40] <matrix> dogg07: you would have to set it up in kubuntu
[03:40] <dogg07> ok i guess ill try again ?this isnt easy?
[03:40] <matrix> dogg07: the easiest way would be to connect your laptop for the setup procedure directly to your router via ethernetcable
[03:41] <matrix> dogg07: another way is to use the command line
[03:41] <dogg07> dont hav an eathernet cable got dsl in the houe and it connects that way
[03:41] <matrix> dogg07: or to install networkmanager manually by downloading the required packages under windows and using an usbstick or your mounted windows partition to install them under linux
[03:42] <matrix> dogg07: do you have an usb stick?
[03:42] <dogg07> no?
[03:42] <dogg07> wait y
[03:42] <dogg07> mabey it came with a camera.
[03:43] <matrix> with it you could transfere the requirred packages to ubuntu
[03:43] <matrix> dogg07: are you at least slightly familiar with the command line?
[03:43] <dogg07> ok got a flash reader usb stick?
[03:44] <Launchpad-Lap> is there anyway to make kubuntu a server?
[03:44] <dogg07> wer du i down load network manager?
[03:44] <matrix> dogg07: here you can download the network manager http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/kde/knetworkmanager
[03:45] <matrix> dogg07: klick i386 in the download table
[03:45] <dogg07> down loade and reboot or what?
[03:45] <matrix> dogg07: you see there some requirred files like network-manager (>= 0.6.2) and so on
[03:46] <matrix> dogg07: those packages are mandatory to install the network manager
[03:46] <matrix> dogg07: it relies on them and the have to be installed before
[03:46] <intelikey> Launchpad-Lap sure something like    dpkg -l | cut -d' ' -f3 > list    edit list and remove the first three lines.   then   for Q in `cat list` ;do apt-get -y remove $Q ;done       that will remove ALL non essential packages.  then just add what you need.
[03:46] <matrix> dogg07: this is a painfull way i admit because you have to take care of it your own
[03:46] <dogg07> ok so do i download to usb stick? the reeboot and install?
[03:46] <matrix> dogg07: normaly adept manager or apt would do it
[03:47] <matrix> you have to install the *.deb files (deb is the file extension of packages)
[03:47] <Launchpad-Lap> no answer:_(\] 
[03:47] <matrix> dogg07: in kubuntu you open a command line and enter
[03:47] <matrix> dogg07: sudo dpkg -i NameOfDebFile
[03:47] <matrix> dogg07: it might tell you that you are missing some more files so you would have to download them also
[03:48] <matrix> dogg07: i'd say as you seem to be very new to linux
[03:48] <matrix> dogg07: do your self a favour and get a ethernet cable. ubuntu is real comfortable once you got your network running.
[03:49] <intelikey> !lamp | Launchpad-Lap
[03:49] <ubotu> Launchpad-Lap: lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL.  For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP  -  See also the Server CD install menu.
[03:50] <dogg07> yes new to linux but everyone has said itd better xp..
[03:50] <intelikey> heep mo' betta' 'n good !
[03:51] <Launchpad-Lap> !lamb
[03:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lamb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:51] <Launchpad-Lap> !lamp
[03:51] <ubotu> lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL.  For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP  -  See also the Server CD install menu.
[03:52] <matrix> dogg07: it is. please don't give up
[03:52] <Launchpad-Lap> what proggie is used for email?
[03:53] <dogg07> im not ill try it and dee what happens i dont wanto go to dial up again.
[03:56] <Hawkwind> Launchpad-Lap: kmail, evolution, thunderbird, mutt, and many many others
[03:56] <robotgeek> Launchpad-Lap: i prefer to use kmail, it is very nice
[03:56] <Launchpad-Lap> i mean server program for email
[03:56] <Launchpad-Lap> sorry
[03:56] <Hawkwind> Launchpad-Lap: postfix
[03:56] <Launchpad-Lap> with the shipit cd - it comes with ubuntu server
[03:56] <Launchpad-Lap> right?
[03:56] <Hawkwind> Launchpad-Lap: There is also sendmail, but postfix will give you less headaches
[03:57] <robotgeek> uggh, postfix smtp relay is extremely difficult
[03:57] <Hawkwind> robotgeek: No it's not
[03:57] <logicalbomb> i installed that 3d desk viewer
[03:57] <logicalbomb> and have no idea how to install it
[03:57] <Hawkwind> Maybe for some, but not for everyone
[03:58] <robotgeek> Hawkwind: i gave up and used nbsmtp
[03:58] <Hawkwind> logicalbomb: You installed it but you have no idea how to install it ?
[03:58] <logicalbomb> no I installed it from adept manager via GUI and have no idea how to get it to work?
[03:58] <logicalbomb> lol
[03:58] <Hawkwind> robotgeek: The postfix docs are quite simple to follow and understand.  Nothing too hard about it
[03:58] <Launchpad-Lap> sweet.. my somas kicked in so i will ask the same question tomorrow
[03:59] <robotgeek> Hawkwind: yeah, i managed to do it finally, it was tough cause ssl and all that stuff had to be setup
[04:02] <logicalbomb> Hawkwind:  it says it's installed but it doesn't exactly function.
[04:07] <logicalbomb> /var/lib/dpkg/lock is in use?
[04:08] <logicalbomb> how do I get that to free up?
[04:11] <metatecque> I have a question/problem - I keep getting an error when I try to do anything as root - "Conversation with su failed" does anybody have any idea what this could be?
[04:18] <metatecque> I have a question/problem - I keep getting an error when I try to do anything as root - "Conversation with su failed" does anybody have any idea what this could be?
[04:21] <spurcell-portabl> I have a strange symptom when using my Dell Latitude D600 running Kubuntu LTS and trying to use a video projector through the external video port.  Using every projector I've tried (different models of Dell projectors), every resolution I've tried, and every Monitor type I've used for the second monitor, I always have a strip of pixels on the right side of the laptop screen that are not seen on the projected screen.  What
[04:21] <spurcell-portabl> could cause this?
[04:24] <matrix> how can i find the available parameters of a kernel module?
[04:25] <spurcell-portabl> metatecque: I haven't seek that, but does this help? http://www.michaelphipps.com/2006-11-15/kubuntu-fix-conversation-with-su-failed-and-forgotten-password.html
[04:26] <metatecque> actually  I found it in the ubuntu forums - thanks anyway
[04:27] <logicalbomb> if I source install I should be able to get GLX working right
[04:28] <logicalbomb> ''''
[04:28] <logicalbomb> gffffgft
[04:28] <logicalbomb> g
[04:28] <logicalbomb> fFFgtfff
[04:28] <logicalbomb> '
[04:28] <logicalbomb> gggF'
[04:28] <logicalbomb> ggTF
[04:28] <logicalbomb> gtf'
[04:28] <logicalbomb> gtf
[04:28] <logicalbomb> sorry
[04:28] <purpleposeidon> your logic in undeniable.
[04:28] <logicalbomb> my 2 year old found my computer while I was AFK
[04:29] <spurcell-portabl> :-)
[04:29] <spurcell-portabl> Starting him/her early!
[04:29] <logicalbomb> at least he has initiative, maybe he'll be the next computer nerd of the family
[04:29] <purpleposeidon> learning to type before learning to talk!
[04:30] <logicalbomb> lol, exactly, with linux you have to start them early
[04:30] <spurcell-portabl> My (now) five year old learned his alphabet from a linux game when he was 2.
[04:30] <logicalbomb> otherwise the world taints them to the world of windows
[04:30] <purpleposeidon> Start him right, keep him away from windows
[04:30] <luca> hi everyone
[04:30] <logicalbomb> spurcell-portabl: i'm building them a linux box to learn japanese, typing, and the alphabet
[04:30] <luca> has anybody experienced ooffice and/or firefox crashes?
[04:30] <spurcell-portabl> Cool.
[04:31] <logicalbomb> spurcell-portabl: the mom's japanese, it wasn't negotiable
[04:31] <galathalion> is there a command or something to show the desktop?
[04:32] <robotgeek> galathalion: there is an applet, to show desktop
[04:32] <spurcell-portabl> galathalion: not sure what you mean... like minimize all other windows to reveal it?  Or like open it in a file browser?
[04:33] <Jucato> galathalion: you can also press Ctrl+Alt=D
[04:33] <Jucato> Ctrl+Alt+D
[04:33] <spurcell-portabl> Any X gurus watching?
[04:34] <galathalion> robotgeek: an applet?
[04:34] <galathalion> spurcell-portabl: yes minimize all windows
[04:34] <Jucato> galathalion: right-click on the panel -> Add Applets to Panel -> Show Desktop applet
[04:35] <galathalion> Jucato: sweetness.. thank you
[04:35] <logicalbomb> my wife and recipes online
[04:35] <logicalbomb> she's going to drive me nuts!
[04:36] <logicalbomb> how the hell do you make healthy cookies?
[04:37] <logicalbomb> why does it give you a can not open lock file error?
[04:37] <logicalbomb> !lock file
[04:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lock file - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:37] <logicalbomb> !13 permission
[04:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 13 permission - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:37] <deitarion> In order to just throw in my two cents on the topic I had to leave (not to change the subject), I'm "conditionally" vegan (I make an exception for the occasional cheese pizza) for two main reasons: First, because it's less wasteful (Think "trophic levels") of growing space. Second, because it's easier on my digestive system. (my as a personal reference, not as a reference to humans in general)
[04:38] <logicalbomb> !/var/lib/dpkg/lock
[04:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about var/lib/dpkg/lock - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:39] <logicalbomb> um it does that when I fail to use the sudo command
[04:39] <logicalbomb> my bad
[04:39] <logicalbomb> !nvidia-glx
[04:39] <luca> nobody with troubles using FF or OOO? I am going nuts with them crashing!
[04:39] <ubotu> nvidia-glx: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 1.0.8776+2.6.17.6-1 (edgy), package size 3970 kB, installed size 12312 kB
[04:40] <deitarion> luca: Sorry. I use Konqueror, wvWare, and LyX... and I don't currently have any active Kubuntu installs. (though I have one planned)
[04:41] <spurcell-portabl> luca: Haven't had problems here.
[04:41] <luca> I have had six ooo crashes this afternoon
[04:41] <norbert> My yakuake opens and automatically hides again -> it seems that this behaviour is mostly related to another window already being open on the workspace. Someone encounter this? or have a suggestion on fixing it?
[04:41] <luca> would it not be for the recover feature, I would be tearing it apart!
[04:42] <logicalbomb> how do you exit the X-Server?
[04:42] <logicalbomb> cntrl-alt-F1?
[04:42] <logicalbomb> !X Server
[04:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about X Server - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:42] <logicalbomb> !X-server
[04:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about X-server - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:42] <spurcell-portabl> ctrl-alt-backspace
[04:43] <norbert> haha - it worked :-)
[04:44] <norbert> its been a *long* day; anywho, someone notice this yakuake issue? It kind of defeats the purpose if I have to find an empty workspace to open it :-/
[04:44] <logicalbomb> cntrl+alt+backspace didnt work out too well for me
[04:45] <spurcell-portabl> What did it do?  You disappeared from here -- so I figured it worked...
[04:46] <spurcell-portabl> Exiting the X-session would necessarily close (and normally restart) KDE.
[04:47] <peanutb> how do i make virtual desktops not share the same windows?
[04:49] <luca> eight crashes
[04:49] <luca> I am kinda beginning to enrage
[04:49] <luca> :(
[04:51] <_kuja_> eight crashes huh? Which thing crashed?
[04:51] <luca> open office
[04:52] <luca> it is REALLY disturbing >_<
[04:53] <peanutb> how do i separate virtual desktops like in gnome?
[04:54] <T3hWiz0rd> I got a new harddrive... I am guessing there is no way to simply copy all of the content of this drive over to it and have it simply ready to go out of the box eh?
[04:54] <T3hWiz0rd> outside of mirror raiding that is
[04:54] <Jucato> peanutb: in the taskbar? right-click on the panel -> Configure Panel -> Taskbar options -> uncheck "Show windows from all desktops"
[04:55] <peanutb> ok
[04:56] <peanutb> thanks
[04:56] <logicalbomb> I installed my kernel-source files
[04:57] <logicalbomb> but the nvidia-linux installer wont recognize it
[04:57] <T3hWiz0rd> logicalbomb: are you trying to use nvidias official drivers off their site?
[04:57] <peanutb> T3hWiz0rd, youprobably will need to do another install, but copying all the data to that drive shouldent be hard.
[04:57] <T3hWiz0rd> peanutb: well its in a usb shell right now and i can't seem to format the MF pos
[04:57] <logicalbomb> yes I am
[04:58] <T3hWiz0rd> logicalbomb: those can be problematic on kubuntu
[04:58] <logicalbomb> oh
[04:58] <T3hWiz0rd> *can be*
[04:58] <logicalbomb> well should I go to the original install
[04:58] <logicalbomb> apt-get nvidia-confg
[04:58] <logicalbomb> xorg
[04:58] <logicalbomb> however that is
[04:58] <T3hWiz0rd> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[04:58] <logicalbomb> it screws up when I boot into my login
[04:59] <logicalbomb> I have it installed when I switch to the Nvidia driver and restart it gives me screwed up graphics at login
[04:59] <T3hWiz0rd> kubuntu does things an odd way... its hard to explain it in some cases.
[04:59] <logicalbomb> haven't tried to F1 login then F7 to boot back in
[05:00] <peanutb> T3hWiz0rd, you might just put it into your computer, and format it that way.
[05:00] <T3hWiz0rd> hmmm true that
[05:00] <T3hWiz0rd> peanutb: what worries me is i think my boot sector is on the damned windows harddrive lol
[05:00] <T3hWiz0rd> and i'd need to format it in windows to make sure it gets doen the way I'd like it.
[05:01] <PsiKloPx> Hiya - what's the linux equivalent to windows "ipconfig"?
[05:01] <T3hWiz0rd> I have a primary domain controller on my network, peanutb... so I may just copy all contnet of this computer to it and then back over once the install is done.... pretty easy in and of its own as well
[05:01] <eilker> ifconfig
[05:02] <voker57> hi
[05:02] <PsiKloPx> thanx!
[05:02] <T3hWiz0rd> peanutb: i do, however, hate having to back stuff up via network... it is t3h sl0wnizz
[05:02] <peanutb> T3hWiz0rd, thats what i did for mylaptop.
[05:02] <voker57> Can you tell me where i can find "x11-dev"?
[05:02] <T3hWiz0rd> peanutb: especially considering it'd be backing up close to 60GB
[05:03] <peanutb> T3hWiz0rd, wooo. Id use a usb HD.
[05:03] <T3hWiz0rd> hmmmm
[05:03] <logicalbomb> t3hwiz0rd:  I installed the pack but i'm not sure how it will react on the reboot
[05:03] <eilker> voker57: package or folder ?
[05:03] <T3hWiz0rd> peanutb: i wonder.... I have a ide-to-usb hdd casing
[05:04] <voker57> eilker: package
[05:04] <logicalbomb> my wife just freaked out because she found out our printer was color
[05:04] <logicalbomb> is that all it takes?
[05:04] <T3hWiz0rd> logicalbomb: woman are simple.
[05:04] <T3hWiz0rd> logicalbomb: like macs... give them something useless to do and they'll do it good with joy.
[05:04] <peanutb> T3hWiz0rd, that'll work
[05:04] <T3hWiz0rd> peanutb: let me boot into the dreaded WIND0ZE!!!#!@!@!@!~#!@#!@
[05:04] <T3hWiz0rd> and see what magic i can work up
[05:04] <voker57> "libx11-dev" is that it?
[05:05] <T3hWiz0rd> what worries me is windows won't be able to see that drive clearly cos its linux EX3
[05:05] <logicalbomb> T3hWiz0rd:  any advice on getting 3ddesktop to work?
[05:05] <logicalbomb> !3ddesktop
[05:05] <ubotu> 3ddesktop: "Three-dimensional" desktop switcher. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.9-5.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 74 kB, installed size 448 kB
[05:05] <T3hWiz0rd> logicalbomb: my advice is not using 3ddesktops
[05:05] <T3hWiz0rd> they're unstable, beta, and rather bugy
[05:05] <logicalbomb> lag
[05:05] <T3hWiz0rd> thy can really mess up your linux install and lead to many unpleasant buggies
[05:05] <eilker> voker57: most probably, pls its explanation
[05:06] <T3hWiz0rd> also, htey lock up openGL
[05:06] <T3hWiz0rd> so if you go to launch another application that uses openGL
[05:06] <T3hWiz0rd> you can crash the computer
[05:06] <logicalbomb> t3hWiz0rd: uninstalling now
[05:06] <voker57> eilker: some program requires it to build
[05:06] <eilker> tT3hWiz0rd: it depends on video card
[05:06] <eilker> voker57: dont you use adept ?
[05:06] <T3hWiz0rd> eilker: its still buggy...
[05:07] <voker57> eilker: i do.
[05:07] <T3hWiz0rd> theres no use in doing it on a computer that he might use for actual production.
[05:07] <eilker> tT3hWiz0rd: i have onboard video card, and no problem
[05:07] <T3hWiz0rd> eilker: it doesn't change the fact that 3d desktops are not stable.
[05:07] <T3hWiz0rd> i can make my car run on 2 quarts of oil
[05:07] <eilker> voker57: so install all packages..what is the problem now?
[05:07] <T3hWiz0rd> doesn't make it a good idea.
[05:08] <eilker> tT3hWiz0rd: in fact i installed it, but i dont use it
[05:08] <T3hWiz0rd> like i said eilker
[05:08] <T3hWiz0rd> its like saying i can make my car run on two quarts of oil...
[05:08] <T3hWiz0rd> I know i can, but its still a dumb idea.
[05:08] <T3hWiz0rd> there is nothing productive in 3d desktops that make the problems and bugs worth while yet.
[05:09] <eilker> tT3hWiz0rd: but i think that it also depends ram and video card
[05:09] <logicalbomb> i'm on a Go5700
[05:09] <logicalbomb> why risk it
[05:09] <eilker> tT3hWiz0rd: in fact good utility
[05:09] <logicalbomb> the drivers barely work right for me
[05:09] <logicalbomb> lol
[05:09] <T3hWiz0rd> eilker: no, its a known fact that 3d desktops tie up openGL and launching another openGL application can crash it.
[05:09] <eilker> tT3hWiz0rd: oftenly crashes...
[05:10] <T3hWiz0rd> linux is an odd beast...
[05:10] <T3hWiz0rd> it doesn't like certain things, at all.
[05:10] <dennister> ok, real problem i hope to get help with: i think I've got another x-session going that I can't shut down, so my /tmp directory is growing at each reboot instead of being emptied
[05:11] <T3hWiz0rd> logicalbomb: if you wanna play with 3d desktops, make a small non-production computer that you can use to play with it.  have a P3 800MHz with 1GB of ram and 256 megs of video that i have beryl on
[05:11] <dennister> what to do?
[05:11] <T3hWiz0rd> logicalbomb: and thats all i do with it... Gentoo with customizations, its a non production box.
[05:12] <logicalbomb> this box is my experimental steps into linux
[05:12] <logicalbomb> kubuntu's been the best distro i've ever used
[05:12] <logicalbomb> it made my laptop into a linux machine for good
[05:12] <T3hWiz0rd> logicalbomb: then you can do it. But if you've only got one linux box i always recommend making a second
[05:13] <T3hWiz0rd> and naming it "b0rkerbox" on your network lol
[05:13] <T3hWiz0rd> something to just destroy
[05:13] <logicalbomb> i'm building a second for my kids to use
[05:13] <T3hWiz0rd> logicalbomb: one of the problems related to your video erros might be that you installed the kubuntu drivers off of apt and then did the official drivers
[05:13] <T3hWiz0rd> when i did that, i borked kubuntu beyond reason.
[05:14] <eilker> dennister: check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:14] <T3hWiz0rd> logicalbomb: dell has some really cheap 300 dollar computers that i buy every now and then to play with, break them, then sell them
[05:14] <T3hWiz0rd> logicalbomb: but i also work for a company that has Casstle and Cooke homes as a client... I get a lot of their old computers.
[05:14] <peanutb> why not just build your own?
[05:14] <T3hWiz0rd> many are actually pretty nice.
[05:15] <T3hWiz0rd> peanutb: for my main boxes and servers i do build my own
[05:15] <T3hWiz0rd> but building my own isn't as cheap as a 200 dollar dell lol
[05:15] <peanutb> its gotten cheeper lately
[05:15] <logicalbomb> T3hWiz0rd:  I work for a fed agent and he dumps dban worked comps on me
[05:15] <T3hWiz0rd> ah
[05:15] <T3hWiz0rd> peanutb: still not as cheap as what dell can assemble one of their bucket PC's for
[05:16] <T3hWiz0rd> peanutb: and considering i eventually just recycle the parts and build something better out of them... tis not bad.
[05:16] <T3hWiz0rd> I'm not fond over dells motherboards but... it could be worse.
[05:16] <joecoder> Probably a funny question, but is there a way to have my apps store their settings somewhere else besides /home/myname ?
[05:17] <T3hWiz0rd> joecoder: errr... 0.o
[05:17] <logicalbomb> T3hWiz0rd:  What do you do for living
[05:17] <joecoder> I prefer to have show hidden files enabled but the folder is just to cluttered.  Putting them in a subfolder would make life much easier.
[05:17] <peanutb> T3Wiz0rd, celerons have an odd way of frying
[05:17] <peanutb> like potatoes
[05:17] <T3hWiz0rd> logicalbomb: system administration data recovery and linux management
[05:17] <logicalbomb> dennister: you're canadian aren't you?
[05:17] <logicalbomb> T3hWiz0rd:  i'm a network admin for multiple law firms around here, and a couple fed agents
[05:18] <wizard> logicalbomb: im going into the navy for their stuff eventually
[05:18] <logicalbomb> T3hWiz0rd:  Learning linux for fun will probably turn it into prophit soon, i'm one of those "MSCE" punks
[05:18] <wizard> logicalbomb: switched computers lol
[05:18] <logicalbomb> wizard:  Into the navy?  you're young then
[05:19] <joecoder> it seems like the user app settings path should be an environment variable or something.
[05:19] <wizard> logicalbomb: yeah, i am
[05:19] <wizard> logicalbomb: i got in the right place at the right time and knew the right people
[05:19] <murchadh_bhaba>  /msg nickserv set unfiltered on
[05:20] <joecoder> Am I the only one that finds it frustrating to find my own files and folders among about 100 app settings folders in /home/user ?
[05:20] <wizard> joecoder: . folders should be hidden
[05:20] <_kuja_> only if you have show hidden files turned on
[05:20] <wizard> joecoder: unless you're using a GTK app or gnome, which doesn't respect stuff
[05:20] <bkudria> can someone help me get the google search textbox back on my konqueror toolbar?  i can't seem to figure out how to add it ...
[05:20] <joecoder> I prefer it off.
[05:21] <seven> is somebody using xara extrem?
[05:21] <joecoder> as customizeable as linux is, I assumed there'd be a way.  I'll just toggle hidden files on and off as I need it I guess.
[05:21] <logicalbomb> i'm afraid to reboot my system after putting that Nvidia Driver in place
[05:21] <logicalbomb> i feel another recovery to the NV driver comming on.
[05:22] <joecoder> logicalbomb: backup Xorg.conf and replace the old version via cmd line if fail?
[05:22] <Jucato> bkudria: 1) check if it's enabled: Settings -> Configure Extensions -> Search Bar Plugin
[05:22] <wizard> godspeed, t3hwiz0rd... godspeed lol
[05:22] <logicalbomb> i did dpkg command last time and recovered resolution and driver
[05:23] <excitatory> logicalbomb: why would you reboot your computer..?  restart x.
[05:23] <logicalbomb> excitatory:  Because i'm not in the mood to fix it yet
[05:23] <bkudria> Jucato: it is...what next?
[05:23] <Jucato> bkudria: if it's enabled, check if it's currently added to the toolbar, Settings -> Configure Toolbars, look for the Search Toolbar and see if the "Search Bar" actions is in the Current actions side
[05:25] <Jucato> bkudria: the Search Toolbar will only appear if you're in Web Browser mode (viewing a web page, not a folder/directory)
[05:25] <seven> how do i get plug ins in xara extrem do i have to buy it. it a multiverse package but i can adept the 0.7 version, no plugins???
[05:26] <bkudria> Jucato: aha, got it
[05:26] <Jucato> :)
[05:26] <bkudria> Jucato: thanks a lot!
[05:26] <joecoder> aw, no symlinks across devices.
[05:27] <logicalbomb> man oh man everytime I switch driver "nvidia" in the xorg.conf it screws up terribly!
[05:27] <Jucato> joecoder: if the device isn't formatted in a Linux FS, or if you're trying to make symlinks using media:/
[05:27] <joecoder> media:/, yeah
[05:28] <Jucato> joecoder: try using /media instead :)
[05:28] <RawSushi> question...I set up an nvidia driver..but I just got a new nvidia video card
[05:28] <RawSushi> how do I get it working?
[05:28] <joecoder> I think I did.  I was trying to add my home folder in windows under my linux home folder.
[05:28] <RawSushi> I had an old one
[05:28] <RawSushi> I set up the driver
[05:28] <RawSushi> then I got a new card
[05:28] <RawSushi> so the driver isn't working now
[05:28] <logicalbomb> that doesn't even make since?
[05:28] <Jucato> joecoder: I think you can, but not the other way around
[05:29] <RawSushi> ?
[05:29] <logicalbomb> !nvidia
[05:29] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:29] <logicalbomb> check that out
[05:29] <RawSushi> I have to do it all over again?
[05:29] <joecoder> jucato; let me try swapping the order of my arguments, etc.
[05:29] <joecoder> Jucato: invalid cross-device link either way
[05:30] <Jucato> joecoder: hm.. let me try...
[05:30] <logicalbomb> more then likley
[05:30] <logicalbomb> it isn't that bad of a process is it?
[05:30] <logicalbomb> other then I can't get myne working ribght
[05:30] <logicalbomb> right*
[05:30] <logicalbomb> lol
[05:30] <logicalbomb> and thats regular drivers not beta from nvidia
[05:30] <Jucato> joecoder: no problems here. how are you making the symlink btw?
[05:31] <joecoder> Jucato: sudo link /home/myfiles /media/windows/MyFiles
[05:31] <Jucato> joecoder: you're trying to make a hard link, not a symlink
[05:31] <joecoder> ah, ok
[05:32] <joecoder> thought a hard link was a symlink.
[05:32] <Jucato> nope
[05:32] <joecoder> and then shortcuts (a windows term I guess) was something different.
[05:32] <joecoder> but on ntfs, isn't a symbolic link the same as a hard link?
[05:32] <joecoder> and how do I do a symbolic link?
[05:33] <Jucato> lol I suddenly forgot :)
[05:33] <Jucato> joecoder: you don't want drag and drop?
[05:34] <luca> by the way, I would make my ntfs partition writable in kubuntu?
[05:34] <joecoder> dragging and dropping in konqueror just moves or copies the folders, correct?
[05:34] <luca> pls no warning on the dangers, I am aware :)
[05:34] <Jucato> joecoder: nope, unless you pick Move or Copy from the popup
[05:35] <joecoder> Jucato: perfect! thanks.
[05:35] <Jucato> joecoder: when you drag and drop a file/folder to a different place, a popup will appear, asking you if you want to Move, Copy, or Link
[05:36] <joecoder> Jucato: now, when I delete will it just break the link?
[05:37] <Jucato> joecoder: delete which one?
[05:37] <joecoder> luca: I have ntfs writing enabled. Found a guide on the net although I don't have the link any more. I think I originally saw it on digg if that helps.
[05:37] <joecoder> Jucato: The link and not the original.
[05:37] <murchadh_bhaba> luca: You'll need the Givre ntfs-3g driver installed. Then use the mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/??? /MountPoint
[05:37] <Jucato> joecoder: if you delete the link, it will be gone. no link, nothing broken. if you delete the original, the link will point to an invalid location, then it's broken
[05:38] <luca> murchadh_bhaba: where do I find the driver? synaptic?
[05:38] <luca> and thanks in any case :)
[05:38] <logicalbomb> I want to launch an FTP Server from my house
[05:38] <murchadh_bhaba> luca: Give me a minute, I'll see if I can find the repository details.
[05:38] <luca> thanks!
[05:38] <logicalbomb> !FTP
[05:38] <ubotu> FTP clients: gftp, konqueror, kbear, nautilus. FTP servers: ftpd, proftpd, pure-ftpd, twoftpd, vsftpd
[05:40] <logicalbomb> konqueror has FTP
[05:40] <logicalbomb> ?
[05:40] <logicalbomb> how do I use that one
[05:40] <logicalbomb> oh
[05:40] <logicalbomb> that isn't a server duh
[05:40] <robotgeek> logicalbomb: ftp://foo.server.net
[05:40] <robotgeek> logicalbomb: use proftpd
[05:41] <luca> logicalbomb: and for uploading, I highly recommend kftgrabber
[05:41] <robotgeek> konqueror
[05:42] <robotgeek> konqueror is awesome :)
[05:43] <logicalbomb> i tried to install proftpd
[05:43] <logicalbomb> IPv6 getaddrinfo error
[05:45] <murchadh_bhaba> luca: Add the following to your /etc/apt/sources.list and it should show in adept/synaptic - deb-src http://givre.cabspace.com/ubuntu/ dapper main
[05:47] <luca> thanks!
[05:48] <joecoder> ok, who wants to help me get my wireless working (probably most common question after video drivers, eh?)
[05:48] <joecoder> well, I'm almost finished with an adept update, who knows, maybe it'll just work this time.
[05:49] <murchadh_bhaba> luca: Any problems do a search for Givre and ntfs-3g; just in case there is a key to download from their server.
[05:49] <luca> no way :(
[05:49] <luca> mount failed
[05:49] <luca> uh wait
[05:50] <luca> me stupid
[05:50] <luca> done
[05:50] <luca> :)
[05:51] <joecoder> surely not!  "bash: gcc: command not found"
[05:51] <luca> finally! thanks a lot, I missed it :)
[05:51] <joecoder> where's my gcc?
[05:52] <murchadh_bhaba> luca: Did you get it going?
[05:52] <ergoproxy> heya, anyone know how i can get the 'recently used items' in the K menu?
[05:52] <joecoder> well, update finished
[05:52] <joecoder> hopefully the reboot works.
[05:53] <_kuja_> ergoproxy, right click on the panel, configure panel, the menus tab
[05:53] <ergoproxy> excellent... thanks!
[05:55] <luca> murchadh_bhaba: yeah perfectly
[05:59] <joecoder> Ugh... too many annoyances.  Just finished an update (including kernel).  Computer didn't shut down on it's own so I had to do a hard reset (it's happened before), Grub comes up and seems to have removed windows from the list (happens every time after a kernel update), and when I do get back into kde, I have to do sudo etho0 down, sudo eth0 up to get netowrk working again.
[05:59] <murchadh_bhaba> luca: Legend! I was waiting years for ntfs write access. Invaluable!
[05:59] <joecoder> and now my kopete settings have been changed and all these chat messages look all funky.
[06:00] <joecoder> and my wireless still doesn't work.
[06:00] <luca> murchadh_bhaba: what do you mean? have you not done it for yourself yet? sorry I fear I am misunderstanding :D
[06:02] <joecoder> why is gcc "command not found" ?
[06:03] <robotgeek> joecoder: install build-essential
[06:03] <joecoder> thanks.
[06:03] <joecoder> why did updating my kernel erase windows from grub (again) ?
[06:04] <max_> after you download 3ddesktop how do you run it?
[06:04] <murchadh_bhaba> luca: No, I have it working perfectly for about 4 or 5 months. But ntfs write capability is very new. I hope it all works as well for you as it has for me. <|;-}
[06:06] <feld> i have kubuntu edgy
[06:06] <luca> murchadh_bhaba: :)
[06:06] <max_> after you download 3ddesktop how do you run it?
[06:07] <feld> konqueror appears to be neutered and cant see anything but /home and /media
[06:07] <feld> wtf is up with that, and how do I fix it.
[06:07] <luca> View - Show hidden files
[06:08] <_kuja_> There's a special section in the grub menu.lst file called automagic, or similar. If you put the windows entries in that section they would have been erased...... they should be placed outside of that section.
[06:08] <feld> luca: that's weird as hell. who made that decision :X
[06:08] <luca> feld: someone with a practical sense
[06:09] <feld> how is that practical
[06:09] <feld> I have to unhide things now
[06:09] <luca> I do not want to see my sys folders every time, when I just need Docs and cdrom
[06:09] <luca> it is just a click...
[06:09] <joecoder> is there a way to verify menu.lst before taking the plunge?
[06:09] <feld> so Amarok can find /mnt/files because it doesnt have full Konq functionality
[06:10] <feld> /mnt/files is an NFS share of mine that has all my music
[06:10] <murchadh_bhaba> feld: There is a file called.hidden in root. Anything in here is hidden. Delete the file, and it will show all of the root directory.
[06:10] <joecoder> kuja: thanks
[06:10] <feld> murchadh_bhaba: thanks for that
[06:10] <Jucato> !hidden-root | feld
[06:10] <ubotu> feld: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[06:11] <murchadh_bhaba> feld: Type sudo kate /.hidden and you'll get the idea.
[06:11] <feld> yeah i see it
[06:11] <_kuja_> joecoder, not as far as I know.
[06:11] <feld> interesting........ anyway, thx for the tip
[06:11] <Jucato> !kdesu | murchadh_bhaba
[06:11] <ubotu> murchadh_bhaba: In KDE, use kdesu to run graphical applications with root priveleges when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[06:11] <joecoder> next question:  my laptop often hangs on shutdown... any logs I can check for an evil process that's hanging or something like that?
[06:12] <_kuja_> What video card drivers are you using?
[06:13] <joecoder> ati's
[06:13] <_kuja_> Thought so.
[06:13] <murchadh_bhaba> Jucato: Oops! Sorry, my bad. It should've been kdesu kate /.hidden.
[06:13] <joecoder> workaround?
[06:14] <_kuja_> I've not played with it much, so I'm not sure ... search around on the ubuntuforums  though and it won't take you long to find something on this. ATIs linux drivers are crap.
[06:15] <joecoder> I've heard that before
[06:16] <_kuja_> one workaround is to use the opensource drivers for it (ati or radeon), the other would probably involve trying a different (probably newer) version of the driver.
[06:19] <Dekkard> hmm
[06:19] <metatecque> hmm
[06:19] <Dekkard> seems .. i dunno.. is kde 3.5 buggy?
[06:20] <max_> how do i configure 3ddeskd?
[06:21] <metatecque> max_ I have tried that and made it work and honestly I don't remember
[06:21] <Dekkard> i honestly need to crash
[06:22] <max_> metaecque: it works, i just need to find out the shortcuts
[06:23] <metatecque> as I remember hmmm - alt key combo - holdon
[06:23] <Jucato> max_: you need to make your own shortcuts for running 3ddesk
[06:24] <max_> oh ok
[06:24] <fulat2k> hi folks, how do i enable the graphical boot screen for kubuntu?  it's somehow not enabled for my installation
[06:24] <Jucato> I suggest using Input Actions to create your shortcuts keys for 3ddesk
[06:25] <max_> Jucarto: is there no config in 3ddesk, can you not change the way it switches....or is the roullete wheel like thing the only way
[06:26] <Jucato> max_: run this in Konsole:  "3ddesk --help"
[06:26] <Jucato> take a look at the --mode=xxxx options
[06:27] <jodaddy> how do you get a kb shortcut to just open konqueror as filemanager? i'm looking everywhere can't find it.
[06:28] <max_> Jucarto: ithanks
[06:30] <Jucato> jodaddy: you can make an application launcher (in K Menu or in the panel) and create a keyboard shortcut for it. use this command for the launcher: kfmclient openProfile "filemanagement"
[06:35] <logicalbomb> how do you compile the kernel source after you've gotten
[06:36] <_kuja_> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KernelCustomBuild?highlight=%28kernel%29
[06:38] <logicalbomb> so when one you apt-get kernel-source that is updating it and compiling it for you automatically
[06:38] <logicalbomb> ?
[06:39] <Jucato> no
[06:39] <Jucato> apt-get source only downloads the source code for the package
[06:39] <logicalbomb> how do I run and compile it then?
[06:39] <Jucato> see the link _kuja_ gave above
[06:40] <logicalbomb> yeah
[06:46] <logicalbomb> it gives me an error saying that I need to be in the top level
[06:46] <logicalbomb> a top level linux kernel source directory tree
[06:46] <logicalbomb> how do I find my way there
[06:47] <robotgeek> logicalbomb: cd /usr/src/linux-xx.xxx
[06:50] <logicalbomb> the x's stand for my version right
[06:50] <logicalbomb> I can get that with uname -r
[06:51] <robotgeek> logicalbomb: sure, or whereever you ahve the sourec
[06:52] <logicalbomb> i did it to where I have the source and it gave me the same error
[06:52] <logicalbomb> and told me to upgrade it if I met this error as being wrong
[06:52] <logicalbomb> I have it upgraded, and I still recieve the error
[06:54] <robotgeek> logicalbomb: what exactly are you trying to do?
[06:54] <logicalbomb> compile the most current version of my source
[06:55] <logicalbomb> remove the old nvidia driver set, and then install the beta drivers my friend suggested
[06:55] <robotgeek> logicalbomb: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html
[06:58] <jodaddy> Jucato: Thanks, works perfect :-)
[06:58] <xsacha> http://youtube.com/watch?v=f2XQ97XHjVw :)
[06:59] <jodaddy> Jucato: Sorry, last thing, is there a param i can pass to make it go to the home folder? i know ctrl-home does that
[07:00] <Jucato> jodaddy: doesn't int open in the home folder by default already?
[07:00] <jodaddy> Jucato: Sorry, yeh it was my profile saved. Btw, the size column doesn't stay put when i save the profile. is there a fix for that?
[07:01] <Jucato> I really don't know
[07:03] <jodaddy> k, thanks for the help on the filemanager, i would of never found that command
[07:06] <jodaddy> Jucato: Ok, i promise the last thing, on windows in the "Run Command" box you can type in anything aslong as there is a shortcut to it in the system path, how do i do that?
[07:07] <Jucato> Alt+F2
[07:07] <jodaddy> no, i mean after pressing that, if i enter something like    jucato_rules   that would just open up a text file with that string in it.
[07:08] <jodaddy> well, any application really
[07:08] <Jucato> um... I'm not really sure I understand. do you mean something like Katapult? (Alt+Space)
[07:09] <jodaddy> well like on windows, i usually create the file  c:\notes.txt   then a shortcut to that file. Rename the shorcut to just "notes", then when i just do start-run-> notes it opens that text file the shortcut points to
[07:09] <jodaddy> but the shortcut "notes" has to be in the system path
[07:09] <jodaddy> well, where do i put the file?
[07:10] <robotgeek> jodaddy: it will only work in command line, which is not something you are loking for
[07:11] <jodaddy> no, but could i just put in a script vim /path/to/file & then run the script from there?
[07:11] <logicalbomb> i think i'll be smart and decide this kernel compiling stuff is over my head.
[07:11] <robotgeek> jodaddy: what you can do is setup a menu shortcut to something like kate /path/to/file, and open it using katapult
[07:12] <robotgeek> jodaddy: Right Click on K-Menu -> Menu Editor
[07:12] <jodaddy> there
[07:12] <jodaddy> k there
[07:12] <robotgeek> File -> New Item
[07:12] <jodaddy> ok
[07:12] <Jucato> or use Katapult (with the Document catalog enabled) and it will comb through whatever's in /home?
[07:12] <robotgeek> yeah, that should work
[07:13] <jodaddy> i'll have to look into Katapult
[07:13] <jodaddy> so this would be like "Katapult foo.txt" or whatever?
[07:14] <robotgeek> jodaddy: no, katapult is a launcher, so you would alt + space it, and type foo.txt
[07:14] <Jucato> jodaddy: try this, if you have some documents in /home right now: Alt+Space then start typing the  name of the document
[07:15] <robotgeek> jodaddy: yes, it works :)
[07:16] <jodaddy> o that's slick, that's realllll slick. THANK YOU!
[07:17] <RawSushi> how do I turn my microphone amplifier off?
[07:17] <RawSushi> it's on by default.
[07:17] <Jucato> jodaddy: tip: if you want to access a file which you know is in a directory under /home, you have to type in the folder name, press the left right arrow key to complete, '/' (to identify that it's a folder) then the file name
[07:17] <RawSushi> I want it off
[07:18] <robotgeek> Jucato: you know if i katapult code is in python ? :)
[07:19] <robotgeek> i want to add features, dammit!
[07:19] <Jucato> robotgeek: not really sure. ask Mez
[07:19] <robotgeek> i'll just check on website
[07:19] <robotgeek> its written in c++
[07:20] <RawSushi> anyone?
[07:20] <_kuja_> should be able to change the setting in kmix
[07:21] <RawSushi> It doesn't seem to be working.
[07:21] <RawSushi> I click the mute button.
[07:21] <RawSushi> Should be under input, right?
[07:24] <_kuja_> right
[07:25] <_kuja_> Wait a second
[07:25] <_kuja_> how do I turn my microphone amplifier off?: should be in switches: the mic boost switch
[07:26] <jodaddy> general question, when using firefox is the bouncy ball right below the cursor supposed to stay there, or did i enable that (it won't go away)
[07:26] <jodaddy> the ball is the firefox icon
[07:26] <_kuja_> It times out after a set amount of time
[07:29] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: ping
[07:30] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: pong
[07:30] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: so i am online....
[07:30] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: no you aren't
[07:30] <Jucato> I'm just psychic
[07:30] <Admiral_Chicago> i think wikipedia isn't loading properly then
[07:30] <Admiral_Chicago> the last two sites i've tried stall
[07:31] <Jucato> ah
[07:31] <Admiral_Chicago> seems like the search bar in FX isn't working
[07:33] <skipjack> Good Morning ..
[07:51] <jodaddy> What's the shortcut to show the desktop? is there a icon/link i can use for this too?
[07:52] <jodaddy> well, i found the applet
[07:53] <jodaddy> thanks for all the help guys, i gotta hit the sack. You all have been very kind.
[07:57] <emonkey> johey, ctrl+alt+d
[07:57] <emonkey> ou sorry tab mistake
[07:57] <emonkey> should be jodaddy
[07:58] <edgy> Hi, I have a video dvd that I need to burn. In k3b I can't find a way to make an image of it or copy dvd option, any hint?
[07:59] <emonkey> edgy, did you try it woth the normal CD Dialog?
[07:59] <edgy> emonkey: what's that?
[07:59] <emonkey> edgy, there's should be an option "copy CD..."
[08:00] <xsacha> "Starting June 2007, PCs in French dputs' offices will be equipped with a Linux operating system and open source productivity software. ... will see 1,154 French parliamentary workstations running on an open source OS, with OpenOffice.org, Firefox and an open source email client" :P
[08:00] <xsacha> "choice of OS and email client hasn't yet been taken. "  any chance of kubuntu? ;)
[08:01] <edgy> emonkey: ah! yes I tried that but it doesn't recognize it
[08:01] <emonkey> hmk... so then I don't know sorry...
[08:02] <emonkey> hace to go
[08:02] <emonkey> bye
[08:04] <Admiral_Chicago> xsacha: hopefully
[08:07] <mindspin> i have problems mounting an USB Stick automatically, I can mount the stick manually after some editing of /etc/fstab, but I'd lke to act the systemm like before. Anyone else experienced the same issue? Time for a bug report?
[08:08] <lagwagon> im a convert from mac to linux, how exactly do you instal programs onto linux?
[08:09] <Admiral_Chicago> lagwagon: adept works well
[08:09] <Admiral_Chicago> have you installed multiverse/universe
[08:21] <fek> moin
[08:32] <nrdb_> how do I configure Kontact to not use bluefish as its default browser?
[08:35] <naught101> !defaultbrowser
[08:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about defaultbrowser - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:35] <naught101> !default
[08:35] <ubotu> To change the default application for a filetype in Nautilus, right-click on a file, select Properties -> Open With, and then change the setting. In Kubuntu, Konqueror -> Settings -> Configure and then hit "File Associations"
[08:38] <nuku> nrdb_: systemsettings -> default application -> web browser
[08:55] <logicalbomb> anybody here know about ATi Crossfire?
[08:58] <naught101> anyone know of a way to test your ethernet card?
[09:02] <shitoss> hi
[09:03] <jan___> Hello guys
[09:04] <jan___> I have a problem installing opengl with kubuntu any help
[09:04] <jan___> i am running a 3d software called maya on kubuntu but because of the issues with opengl
[09:05] <jan___> the draw mode is not enabled any help
[09:07] <kray^er> hello. i was wondering if ubuntu supports mirroring scsi drivers like the way with dynamic disks under windows. i have an older scsi controller that does not have raid hardware support. thank you
[09:07] <shitoss> hello , i wanna ask about files.avi  what program playing this type ????
[09:08] <shitoss> ????
[09:12] <naught101> shitoss: depends on the codec, but you'll probably need w32codecs
[09:12] <shitoss> how can i get it
[09:12] <naught101> and xine
[09:13] <naught101> apt-get install xine w32codecs
[09:13] <naught101> then neraly every player will play it
[09:13] <naught101> if you can't find w32codecs, you need to update your repositories
[09:13] <shitoss> there r also files.asf
[09:13] <naught101> !w32codecs
[09:13] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:15] <kray^er> hello. i was wondering if ubuntu supports mirroring scsi drivers like the way with dynamic disks under windows. i have an older scsi controller that does not have raid hardware support. thank you
[09:16] <shinobi2> anyone have ath0 wifi fix on 6.10?
[09:17] <shitoss> hey guys i have problim in my pc , the kopete messenger doesnt work i dont know why , every time i click it , loading then nothing
[09:19] <naught101> shitoss: run it from the commandline
[09:21] <shitoss> DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Could not open network socket
[09:23] <shitoss> kopete: ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Can't setup DCOP communication.
[09:23] <naught101> try searching for that message, in quotes, in google?
[09:23] <shitoss> thank u
[09:41] <adept_x> is it just me or is it difficult to install java on kubuntu?
[09:42] <yamal> adept_x: it's just you
[09:43] <yamal> !java
[09:43] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[09:45] <adept_x> the site ubotu referred to doesnt mention 6.10 i guess its just the same,
[09:46] <momal> Anyone have any ideas to get programs to use a proxy if it doens't have a built in proxy setting
[09:47] <adept_x> !women
[09:47] <ubotu> The women and men of the Ubuntu women project hang out in #ubuntu-women. Encouraging women to use linux? Read http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/ for some suggestions compiled by women who use Linux on how to do so effectively.
[09:48] <yamal> adept_x: java instructions should be the same as 6.06/dapper, see the bottom of the page
[09:48] <adept_x> ok cheers
[09:48] <_4strO`> yop
[09:59] <lolipup> hello all
[09:59] <lolipup> i have a problim login to my pc
[10:01] <lolipup> after i finished work at office program i pressed save then he gave me error and i pressed ok then the program didnt respond to any thing
[10:02] <lolipup> i tried clos it but i faild , i used command to kill and killall but he refused to close
[10:02] <lolipup> then the whole pc didnt respond
[10:02] <lolipup> i pressed restart on the cpu
[10:02] <lolipup> then
[10:03] <lolipup> every time i try to login the linux he gave me the screen of user and pass i type it
[10:03] <lolipup> he returns again to the same window
[10:03] <lolipup> i tried that 10 times to enter but he refuses
[10:03] <lolipup> so what shall i do with that problim
[10:03] <lolipup> ???????????????????????????????????
[10:04] <kray^er> is you caps lock off?
[10:04] <lolipup> yes
[10:05] <lolipup> he doesnt give me any error of pass
[10:05] <lolipup> he just pretend that he is logging in by giving me black screen then return again to the same window
[10:06] <lolipup> so what ????
[10:06] <beligum> Hello guys, what's wrong with firefox 2.0 and flash on Kubuntu, they seem to crash ??
[10:06] <beligum> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=10301.new;topicseen#new
[10:07] <lolipup> hey can any one solve my problim
[10:08] <lolipup> hello there
[10:12] <skipjack> whio can I change my keyboard charset in the console and the console locales ?!
[10:13] <nyt_> how to install flash:(
[10:15] <_4strO``> http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/
[10:15] <_4strO``> just follow the instructionsd
[10:16] <nyt_> i try that :(
[10:16] <_4strO``> wich browser ?
[10:16] <nyt_> but it's still no flash :(
[10:17] <nyt_> konqueror
[10:19] <nyt_> does mozilla browser will run in kubuntu?
[10:19] <mindspin> nyt it does
[10:20] <yamal> !flash9
[10:20] <ubotu> You can download a Flash 9 installer here: http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/backports/ (replace dapper-seveas with edgy-seveas for Edgy).  If you use GDebi to install it, make sure you open its terminal window (to answer an installer question).
[10:20] <_4strO``> i have install flashplayer by using automatix2
[10:20] <mindspin> and for flash support you may add commercial(?) to your sources
[10:23] <beligum> mozilla firefox crashes when loading a flash page
[10:27] <nyt_> thanks byebye
[10:32] <wizard> I lost my ibook...
[10:32] <wizard> It'll respond to pings... but I have no idea where i put it
[10:33] <momal> Anyone have any ideas to get programs to use a proxy if it doens't have a built in proxy setting
[10:34] <lenscape> !vmware
[10:34] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"). Instructions for VMWare Server can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingVMWare
[10:34] <yamal> momal: tsocks
[10:35] <momal> yamal: Can you tell me a bit more please ;)
[10:36] <yamal> it is a wrapper that makes any app use a proxy of your choice, even if the app has no clue of proxies
[10:36] <yamal> as simple as that
[10:38] <enrico_> Salve a tutti
[10:38] <enrico_> C'e qualcuno che abbia provato Kubuntu 6.10
[10:38] <yamal> !it
[10:38] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[10:40] <_lars9> I can see that alot of Kubuntu howto's say that you should sudo passwd root... What is wrong with sudo -su?
[10:42] <crimsun> because it's redundant. Use sudo -s  or sudo -i  instead
[10:47] <ubuntu_> Hello. I have just installed Edgy on a laptop but I'm facing a MAJOR problem:
[10:47] <ubuntu_> when booting it says hd invalid boot sector
[10:48] <ubuntu_> like if grub was not installed properly
[10:48] <ubuntu_> what could i do now?
[10:49] <ubuntu_> going to rename myself: will be something with franz
[10:51] <franzmax> anyone can help about missing grub on my new installation?
[10:52] <franzmax> hey, is there anyone alive in here ?  I see 286 nicks but no one talking......
[10:53] <ehird> franzmax: be patient
[10:53] <racarr> franzmax: IRC:Idle relay chat, duh
[10:53] <franzmax> lol
[10:54] <crimsun> it would be eerie to have 286 dead folks in a channel, yes
[10:55] <franzmax> sorry... I know i should not be upset like this.... but sometimes i really wonder what is all this people doing in chennels, if not j
[10:55] <franzmax> increasing statistics
[10:55] <sc0tt> franzmax: most people leave their clients idle here when they're not around.
[10:56] <franzmax> scOtt: and none of them know about the "away" status setting?
[10:57] <sc0tt> sure they do, but most don't use it
[10:57] <sc0tt> its not a requirement :)
[10:57] <seven__> is there a gui tool config grub
[10:58] <franzmax> seven__: is it an answer or a statement?
[10:58] <franzmax> i'm not expert about grub....
[10:59] <franzmax> i just installed and got no error messages, everything went smoothly as it did before for me on different machines
[11:00] <sc0tt> seven__: howcome you need a GUI interface?
[11:00] <franzmax> but i do not have a working grub now and i'm working "live" from cd
[11:01] <franzmax> i'm only asking how and where to put my hands to check and possibly fix the problem
[11:01] <franzmax> i'm not complaining about ubuntu: it may be a hardware problem as well
[11:02] <franzmax> but I have no way to tell it now
[11:03] <sc0tt> franzmax: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351
[11:03] <Vladdy> knetworkmanager doesn't remember wireless settings, how do I configure it so that it keeps passwords/access points etc, I've tried in the program but there doesn't seem to be such an option
[11:03] <franzmax> going to have a look. thanks sc0tt
[11:04] <sc0tt> Vladdy: no idea :(
[11:04] <vge> someone can help me to install eclipse on edgy?
[11:04] <Vladdy> it's hard to configure it manually every time, university network requires 802.11x auth :-/
[11:05] <sc0tt> :<
[11:05] <sc0tt> If you stick around a little while, someone who uses wireless may know
[11:05] <seven__> sc0tt: i have downloaded a kubuntu-grub-splashimage package but i can' t find out how to use it
[11:05] <Vladdy> hehe... i have plenty of experience with wpa_supplicant, but knetworkmanager works great with dhcpp
[11:07] <sc0tt> seven__: Try looking on the forums :)
[11:07] <sc0tt> http://ubuntuforums.org/
[11:07] <seven__> thanks
[11:07] <Vladdy> so far I don't need it yet
[11:07] <sc0tt> Vladdy: I had a whole bunch of fun setting up wireless on my slackware routing box
[11:08] <Vladdy> sc0tt: it's a breeze with knetworkmanager :-)
[11:08] <Vladdy> select network, enter password, and you're in
[11:08] <Vladdy> but i g2g
[11:08] <satempler> Vladdy: when it works
[11:09] <Vladdy> bye
[11:09] <sc0tt> byes:)
[11:16] <tom__> is anybody around?
[11:17] <satempler> ya
[11:18] <tom__> I have installed another OS and its not appeared in GRUB anyone have any ideas please?
[11:18] <satempler> you might need to tell grub to look at that partion
[11:19] <satempler> one sec
[11:19] <satempler> !dualboot
[11:19] <ubotu> Dual boot instructions:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo (x86/AMD64) - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot (Macintosh)
[11:19] <satempler> try that
[11:20] <franzmax> sc0tt: i followed what suggested in the link you provided, but with no success (grub problem)
[11:21] <franzmax> it could be a hardware problem on my hd.... how could I check this out?
[11:21] <tom__> okay thanks
[11:22] <tom__> it is two linux systems though, i.e. Kubuntu and Fedora Core
[11:23] <sc0tt> no idea offhand franzmax :(
[11:23] <franzmax> thanks anyway scOtt
[11:33] <naught101> anyone know how to findout what kernel module is used for a given LAN card?
[11:33] <naught101> on a laptop?
[11:34] <grimi> use /sbin/lspci to find out which chipset is on your lan-card
[11:35] <naught101> broadcom,
[11:36] <naught101> I got that far, I just don't know which module it is
[11:38] <grimi> 1000 or 10000 MBit?
[11:38] <grimi> erm.. i mean 100 or 1000 MBit ;)
[11:39] <sc0tt> 10000mbit eh
[11:39] <sc0tt> :P
[11:39] <sc0tt> gimme one
[11:39] <sc0tt> :D
[11:39] <naught101> 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5751 Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express (rev 01)
[11:39] <naught101> I guess 1000
[11:40] <naught101> are there any 'net connections that go that fast yet anyway?
[11:41] <grimi> only if the opposit has a GBit card too
[11:41] <naught101> yeah...
[11:42] <naught101> anyway, is there any way I can find my driver module from that?
[11:42] <grimi> did you googled for that?
[11:43] <naught101> I think I did... let me try again. back in a bit
[11:44] <naught101> ah, yeah, I did, it came up with tg3, which isn't on my system (from lsmod)
[11:45] <naught101> the other possibility so far is ipw2200, but that's not present either
[11:45] <naught101> is there a list of ethernet card drivers for linux anywhere?
[11:46] <grimi> naught101: lsmod only shows you the modules actually loaded
[11:47] <grimi> try modprobe -l  | grep -i tg3
[11:47] <grimi> or something like tigon3
[11:48] <grimi> did anyone know how i can start the text-installer at the new 6.10 release?
[11:48] <naught101> grimi: I'm using my laptop now, on the card I'm trying to find the drivers for, so it must be loaded
[11:49] <grimi> oh..
[11:49] <grimi> :)
[11:49] <grimi> had a look at dmesg?
[11:50] <naught101> yeah... oh, what the hell? tg3 IS loaded now
[11:50] <naught101> wierd, I swear I couldn't find it before :D
[11:51] <grimi> hehe
[11:51] <naught101> I assume that installs with the kernel .deb, right?
[11:51] <VSpike> where can I get help getting printing working in kubuntu?
[11:51] <naught101> if I want to reload tg3, I have to reload the kernel?
[11:51] <naught101> !printing
[11:51] <VSpike> I'm completely flummoxed
[11:51] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[11:53] <grimi> rmmod tg3 && modprobe tg3 ?
[11:58] <naught101> grimi: just ran that, and got "FATAL: Error inserting tg3 (/lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/kernel/drivers/net/tg3.ko): Operation not permitted"
[11:58] <naught101> and now lsmod's not showing it
[11:58] <naught101> :/
[11:58] <naught101> but network's still operating... I think...
[11:59] <naught101> grimi: wow
[11:59] <naught101> grimi: just ran that, and got "FATAL: Error inserting tg3 (/lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/kernel/drivers/net/tg3.ko): Operation not permitted"
[11:59] <naught101> had to wait a bit to reload
[11:59] <VSpike> naught101: thanks - I don't think any of that helps me.  The answers may be on linuxprinting.org somewhere, but I'm not knowledgeable enough to find them
[12:00] <naught101> VSpike: wish I could help, but I have very little experience printing in linux
[12:00] <VSpike> I'm going to test out Turboprint, because it claims to support my printer perfectly, while the linuxprinting database only shows it as "partially" supported.
[12:01] <VSpike> naught101: thanks for trying - you led me to Turboprint which may solve my problems.  At this point having wasted a day on it, 40 bucks to make it works sounds pretty good
[12:01] <naught101> there's a printing thing starting with "f" that I used last time that worked for my epson
[12:01] <VSpike> foomatic?
[12:02] <naught101> yeah
[12:03] <VSpike> I think I have that installed
[12:04] <naught101> ARRGH!! does anyone have experience with network connections? I have a problem with my laptop- some sites (like sourceforge.net) freeze ALL of my browsers for up to 30mins before loading completly
[12:05] <VSpike> naught101:  that's pretty wierd
[12:05] <naught101> it's not IPv6, it's not any of my config files in /home/naught101/* (I've tried deleting them all), I removed and re-loaded my network card drivers, AND  I've re-installed kubuntu
[12:05] <naught101> and it still happens
[12:06] <naught101> it's killing me, I really like (and sometimes need) sourceforge.net
[12:06] <wincide> hi all, I'cant configure an internal laptop multi card reader... and i'dont find any manual to configure that.. Someone could hellp me ? thx a lot..
[12:07] <naught101> is there anything between my network card and my browser that I haven't thought of yet? (all other comps running of my router work fine...)
[12:07] <ArmedGeek> naught101: try it in links
[12:07] <wincide> lspci gives me this : :0b.2 System peripheral: O2 Micro, Inc. OZ711Mx 4-in-1 MemoryCardBus Accelerator
[12:07] <naught101> ArmedGeek: I'll give it a go
[12:08] <naught101> ArmedGeek: is there a version of links for X/kde?
[12:08] <ArmedGeek> no, it's a console app, which is why i suggested it
[12:09] <VSpike> naught101: have you tried using wget to test?
[12:09] <naught101> nope, never knew I could. I'll try.
[12:10] <VSpike> wget http://sourceforge.net
[12:11] <VSpike> It may be some particular image type or maybe some content resident on another site, like a banner that's causing the problem
[12:12] <naught101> yeah, it might be. maybe I can try to adblock all the external stuff (once it loads after 30 mins)
[12:12] <naught101> wget on the index.php worked fine
[12:12] <naught101> so I guess it must be something external
[12:13] <naught101> cheers
[12:13] <velle> when using aptitude in cli mode, is there a way to get to know wether a package is installed? i was thinking something like "aptitude status libxml2", but i cant find it
[12:13] <naught101> actually... it only pauses once it gets to loading stuff from "http://static.sourceforge.net"
[12:14] <VSpike> naught101: you can make wget do recursive fetches, or spider a site and all kinds of clever stuff
[12:14] <naught101> wget on static.sf.net worked fine
[12:15] <naught101> that could be a good idea, I'm currently running wget with the -d (debug) option, and it looks nice
[12:15] <naught101> could I load everything that's embedded on the sourceforge front page?
[12:16] <VSpike> I think so ... try wget -r -l 1 http://etc...
[12:17] <VSpike> oh.. or wget -p http://...
[12:18] <VSpike> I think the second is better
[12:18] <naught101> what's -p?
[12:18] <VSpike> "page requisites" .. loads everything needed to dispay a page
[12:19] <VSpike> like -r -l 1 but a bit more intelligent
[12:19] <naught101> I just found it in the man pages. it doesn't mention embedded flash and stuff, but I'll give it a go
[12:21] <naught101> only loaded the one page... said it didn't want to load from other servers
[12:21] <naught101> including other subdomains, it seems
[12:22] <VSpike> which module do I need for usb printer support?
[12:23] <naught101> :/ VSpike, any idea how to make it load from any domain?
[12:24] <VSpike> try -r -l 1
[12:24] <naught101> I just did
[12:24] <naught101> said it wouldn't load from http://sourceforge.net
[12:24] <naught101> it would only load from www....
[12:25] <naught101> ahh, wait
[12:25] <naught101> it's frozen on "Resolving rss.sourceforge.net..."
[12:26] <VSpike> yeah, that option seems to do multiple domains for me
[12:26] <naught101> I had to do it without the www
[12:26] <naught101> loaded the rss
[12:29] <naught101> VSpike: how long did it take you to spider one level?
[12:29] <VSpike> I killed it before it finished :)
[12:30] <VSpike> after at least 30s
[12:30] <naught101> mine's still going... maybe that -p option is more sensible
[12:30] <VSpike> does anyone have a usb printer connected, and if so, could you tell me what the device path is? e.g. /dev/usb/lp1
[12:31] <VSpike> I've not used wget in anger for a long time, but I remember it took me a few attempts to make it do exactly what i wanted.
[12:31] <naught101> cheers for the help, it's a great start
[12:31] <Healot> /dev/usb/lp0
[12:32] <sara> wait how ?
[12:32] <sara> thats forts
[12:32] <VSpike> thanks Healot
[12:33] <VSpike> I don't even have a /dev/usb
[12:33] <VSpike> something is fubared here
[12:33] <Healot> that's my HP Deskjet 3920
[12:33] <SaRa> his hip
[12:33] <VSpike> if i look at /dev/bus/usb/devices, for my printer it has the line:
[12:33] <VSpike> I:  If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 2 Cls=07(print) Sub=01 Prot=02 Driver=usbfs
[12:34] <VSpike> I don't pretend to know what all that stuf means, but surely "Driver" should be usblp, not usbfs?
[12:34] <Tulsa> ok ok.. but my thats hip
[12:34] <Tulsa> are you
[12:34] <ArmedGeek> Tulsa is hip ?  wasn't the last time i was there :)
[12:34] <cox377> is there anyway, under kubuntu to connect to windowz xp remote desktop default client?
[12:35] <Tulsa> ????????
[12:35] <naught101> how do you grep a man page?
[12:35] <ArmedGeek> Tulsa: tulsa, oklahoma.  city in the US
[12:36] <VSpike> Healot: could you do more /dev/bus/usb/devices and see if you can find the section for your printer, and see what the I: line says?
[12:36] <Tulsa> but..
[12:37] <VSpike> naught101: "man wget | grep -i recursive" seems to do something
[12:37] <naught101> cheers..
[12:37] <VSpike> today, i am pining for Windows
[12:38] <Healot> no such files, but there are some directories under /dev/bus/usb
[12:38] <cox377> VSpike: pining?
[12:38] <VSpike> I'm trying to wean myself off of the crack cocaine of OS's.  Some days, I get Linux joy.  Some days, I feel like formatting and installing XP in frustration.  Today is the latter type.
[12:39] <VSpike> cox377: pining. as in to yearn deeply; suffer with longing; long painfully
[12:40] <naught101> VSpike: ok, what I want to grep for is "-l" etc (the first line of the options), but that sets the option for grep. I tried 'man wget | grep -i "-l"'
[12:40] <cox377> VSpike: haha i know what the definition is i was just wondering for the cause of your 'pining' ; )
[12:41] <VSpike> naught101: man wget | grep -e '-l'
[12:41] <VSpike> cox377: :)
[12:41] <cox377> can 'terminal server client' be used to connect to windows remote desktop?
[12:42] <VSpike> I know i won't get much sympathy here, and i have faith that the pain will be worth it, but its hard when you have years of knowledge of how to do things, and stuff just works for you, to go back to stumbling around in the dark trying to make basic stuff work
[12:42] <VSpike> cox377: yes.. if the remote is running XP Pro or is a terminal server
[12:42] <cox377> VSpike: how long u been using kubuntu?
[12:42] <cox377> VSpike: yeh it's running so i just need to install terminal server client?
[12:42] <VSpike> I suppose its a lesson in humility.. now I know how all those XP users feel when I help them out
[12:43] <naught101> VSpike: cool. also work using an escape: grep -i "\-l"
[12:43] <VSpike> cox377: about 4 weeks, although I've been away for 2 of them
[12:44] <cox377> VSpike: I've been using for about 6 months now, i suppose its like a toy to a certain exstent, however i have installed on friends computers and wireless has got me everytime.. takes a day to get it working
[12:44] <VSpike> cox377: you need to enable remote desktop in XP.  Go to control panel->system and select "remote" tab.  Turn it on there.  Admins are permitted by default, any other users you have to add to the list
[12:44] <VSpike> cox377: You may also need to open the relevant port in any firewalls, although it gets opened automatically in the built-in one
[12:45] <VSpike> cox377: note one other gotcha ... the user you are logging in as remotely cannot have a blank password
[12:45] <cox377> VSpike: RD is all good on the windows machine, use it from other windows boxes but i dont have a head on it today so thought hmmmm what about connecting it from my main kubuntu machine
[12:45] <VSpike> cox377: I find wireless can be that hard on Windows too... it seems to be a luck of the draw, based on devices in use and the environment
[12:45] <cox377> VSpike: noted ; )
[12:46] <VSpike> cox377: It should work fine then.  If you have trouble with it, you could always fall back to VNC.
[12:47] <cox377> VSpike: both times installing wireless onto linux it was amazingly simple once i had managed to find a simple set of instructions, I.E one time i found some random instructions and it worked using ndiswrapper that i hadnt found udner the ubuntu forums, another time i found some .deb file installed it and boot the wireless just started working when all the ndiswrapper instructions hadnt worked. pot luck
[12:47] <cox377> does anyone know the application name for terminal server client for apt-get?
[12:48] <Healot> vnclient?
[12:48] <cox377> i notice under ubuntu its installed default but now kubuntu
[12:49] <cox377> Healot: is it vnc i want as i'm connection to windows RD?
[12:49] <Healot> yes vnclient
[12:49] <Healot> !find vnc
[12:49] <ubotu> Found: libvncauth-dev, libvncauth0, vnc-common, xvncviewer, directvnc (and 18 others)
[12:49] <Healot> you mean :need:?
[12:49] <VSpike> vnc != terminal server client
[12:49] <cox377> Opps
[12:50] <cox377> ok.. cheers guys
[12:50] <cox377> any recommendations ; )
[12:50] <Healot> remote desktop - vnclient
[12:50] <VSpike> http://www.rdesktop.org
[12:51] <Healot> for kubuntu it's krdc i think
[12:51] <cox377> N1
[12:51] <naught101> anyone else get this: "Resolving images.sourceforge.net... failed: Temporary failure in name resolution." when they run "wget -dpH http://images.sourceforge.net" ?
[12:52] <Healot> it's 404 anyways
[12:53] <cox377> lol just one more question, i'm running a live cd on another machine and it's being a real ass, is it possible to install using command line?
[12:53] <naught101> Healot: was that a response to me?
[12:54] <VSpike> naught101: I guess so, because I get 404's too
[12:54] <Healot> is 404 some kind of code, I don't know
[12:54] <VSpike> 404 not found
[12:54] <VSpike> means the url is invalid
[12:55] <naught101> not found... yeah, but that's where sourforge's images are supposed to come from... that's why that page isn't working for me...
[12:55] <naught101> if people go to http://www.sourceforge.net do the images load?
[12:55] <VSpike> yes
[12:56] <naught101> what the hell? I swear my computer hates that server...
[12:56] <naught101> can you ping images.sourceforge.net?
[12:56] <VSpike> try wget -dpH http://images.sourceforge.net/sfx/cca/sf_cca_2006_64.png
[12:57] <VSpike> that's a valid URL
[12:57] <ArmedGeek> naught101: the images load fine here (not the ads, adblocker)
[12:57] <VSpike> there's just nothing at the root
[12:58] <naught101> VSpike: nope, that image aint loading
[12:58] <naught101> I can't resolve that subdomain at all
[12:59] <VSpike> maybe its a problem with your ISP's DNS server?
[12:59] <ArmedGeek> sounds like it
[01:00] <ArmedGeek> so "nslookup images.sourceforge.net" doesn't return a handful of IP addresses ?
[01:00] <Healot> VSpike: the redirect / maybe 404?
[01:01] <milaks> At first I've installed Ubuntu Edgy Eft, and after a while, I've installed only KDE (no kubuntu-desktop). In settings I've specified small icons wherever I could, and somehow kmenu menu showed small (16) icons which was very nice. Today I've decided to install whole kubuntu-desktop, but after installation icons in kmenu menu become again those default huge ones (32), and I cannot turn the look back. Can someone please tell me how to make kmenu
[01:01] <milaks> show small (16) incon in its menu?
[01:01] <cox377> to install the OS from the command line? would it be this apt-get install ubuntu?
[01:02] <Healot> ubuntu-desktop?
[01:03] <cox377> Healot: is that what it is? because the gui keep hanging when trying to install
[01:04] <Healot> the meta package for GNOME desktop is ubuntu-desktop
[01:04] <velle> how do i identify to this server? I think i have registered once, but I really dont remember what im supposed to do
[01:04] <naught101> VSpike: I just thought that, but other people /on my router/ have been able to access it recently, albeit from windows
[01:05] <naught101> velle: /nickserv identify <pass>
[01:05] <velle> i want to join #python, but get "you
[01:05] <velle> i want to join #python, but get "You need to be identified to join that channel"
[01:06] <cox377> Healot: sorry mate, is there a command for installing the whole OS instead of hitting the 'install' button?
[01:06] <velle> naught101: thanks
[01:06] <naught101> no wokkers
[01:07] <milaks> Anyone
[01:07] <milaks> ?
[01:07] <cox377> lol
[01:08] <naught101> woo hoo! ArmedGeek, VSpike, Healot, cheers for your help. temporary solution: adblock entire http://images.sourceforge.net/* . works like a dream!
[01:08] <Healot> adblock
[01:09] <naught101> yep, it's great
[01:09] <Healot> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop >> cox377
[01:09] <VSpike> naught101: cool :) glad it works
[01:09] <Healot> on the terminal, cox377
[01:09] <ArmedGeek> naught101: you should keep trying to nslookup images.sourceforge.net occasionally until your ISPs DNS server get right
[01:09] <ArmedGeek> if they do
[01:10] <naught101> yeah... could it be a problem with my router?
[01:10] <naught101> doesn't seem logical
[01:10] <naught101> I emailed them about it
[01:10] <milaks> Can anyone please help me to make kmenu show smaller (16) icons in its menu??
[01:11] <cox377> Healot: ahh on thanks mate and installs from cdrom?
[01:11] <ArmedGeek> naught101: could just be a hiccup on your ISPs end.  might resolve itself in a day or so
[01:11] <ArmedGeek> no pun intended
[01:11] <naught101> nice. it's been like that for a while. like a week or so
[01:11] <ArmedGeek> wow.  that bites.
[01:11] <naught101> awesome
[01:12] <ArmedGeek> wget is handy
[01:12] <VSpike> yeah, its a really cool tool
[01:12] <ArmedGeek> as is links, telnet, dig
[01:12] <VSpike> I was thinking, that's the payoff from this pain I was bitching about before
[01:12] <Healot> apt-cdromm add >> next enter your alternate ubuntu install CD-ROM or DVD-ROM
[01:13] <VSpike> It really sucks when things don't work, but you learn a lot of useful stuff in fixing them
[01:13] <Healot> next do apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[01:13] <naught101> yeah, for sure
[01:13] <Healot> *apt-cdrom add* first...
[01:13] <ArmedGeek> "It really sucks when things don't work, but you learn a lot of useful stuff in fixing them"  .. truer words are rarely spoken
[01:15] <cox377> Healot: i've just run the comands, adding the cdrom worked, but when i go to install ubuntu-desktop it says latest is already installed
[01:16] <cox377> : (
[01:24] <Vladdy> yay, kubuntu has all the python packages i need for astronomy course :D
[01:40] <deian> hi anyone here running beryl??
[01:41] <BluesKaj> i tried but too many ATI card issues
[01:41] <deian> nvidia is best for sure
[01:41] <deian> i feel my framerate is apalling
[01:42] <BluesKaj> really screwed up the xserver-xorg
[01:42] <BluesKaj> there's a SETTING somewhere in the options gor framerates
[01:42] <BluesKaj> for
[01:43] <deian> yea?
[01:44] <BluesKaj> but i can't recall exactly how to access it
[01:44] <BluesKaj> there's lots of eye candy lovers/users here ..they'll show up soon...once the server settles down
[01:45] <Vladdy> eek, vim doesn't have syntax highlighting
[01:45] <deian> teh framerate cap in the benchmark plugin youo mean?
[01:45] <BluesKaj> dunno
[01:46] <BluesKaj> anyone using "DVR" ?
[01:46] <deian> DVR?
[01:46] <BluesKaj> Digital Video Recorder
[01:46] <deian> no
[01:47] <BluesKaj> I meant "anyone" :)
[01:48] <ArmedGeek> i've not either ( not in the strictest sense ), i *do* have a tv card in my desktop box and have recorded the occasional tvshow, but building a dedicated DVR or buying one, no i've not either
[01:51] <BluesKaj> ArmedGeek, no, this is merely a software utility that uses the onboard video card for recording from a source that you provide, be it a tv tuner card or other video source
[01:53] <ArmedGeek> ah, still not used it.  link ?
[01:58] <BluesKaj> http://dvr.sourceforge.net/
[02:01] <BluesKaj> bummer ...need commercial qt3 files to make it go :(
[02:03] <sven__>  hello all
[02:03] <sven__> what is a good personal firewall for ubuntu linux?
[02:05] <BluesKaj> you don't need one unless you open spam and dangerous email
[02:05] <sven__> can anybody help me?
[02:06] <sven__> I need a  personal firewall for ubuntu linux? where i can find it ?
[02:15] <GradysGhost> Slow morning, eh?
[02:17] <sven__> nee, ich nicht
[02:17] <sven__> :-)
[02:18] <GradysGhost> Sure in Germany.
[02:18] <GradysGhost> Either way, it's dark.
[02:22] <GradysGhost> Funny.  Sven is here at the same time that I'm eating a Danish.
[02:22] <GradysGhost> Food humor sucks.
[02:23] <underzsof> VISIT : WWW.UNDERZSOFT.COM THE No1 WAREZ INSTANT DOWNLOADZ SITE THANKS
[02:24] <BluesKaj> sven , are you behind a router ?
[02:25] <eilker> i am looking for a WYSIWYG for linux....
[02:26] <Vladdy> cute, a bot spamming a linux channel with warez
[02:27] <Vladdy> "Download the latest pirated v2.6.18.4 kernel now!"
[02:27] <SortOfThing> ^^
[02:27] <GradysGhost> eilker - Adept is showing me a program called abiword, though it looks like it's more developed toward Gnome.
[02:27] <SortOfThing> I search for the enterprise pro edition of the last linux kernel, someone knows where I could find it?
[02:27] <GradysGhost> Yeah, no joke.  "Come steal the software that you're all getting for free without piracy."
[02:28] <naught101> eilker: nvu
[02:28] <naught101> for html
[02:28] <Vladdy> "Kubuntu, we offer the lowest pri$es for the latest appz'
[02:29] <GradysGhost> For HTML/web development, Quanta is pretty badass.
[02:29] <SortOfThing> not nvu, kompozer
[02:29] <SortOfThing> nvu is not maintained anymore
[02:29] <SortOfThing> kompozer is an active fork of nvu
[02:29] <lenscape> eilker: wysiwyg what? Word processor?
[02:30] <Jucato> Quanta+ is the KDE Web Development IDE
[02:30] <naught101> nvu is not maintained?
[02:30] <eilker> lenscape: "what you see is what you get"
[02:30] <SortOfThing> yep, Quanta rox :)
[02:30] <Jucato> GradysGhost: Abiword is a word processing program...
[02:30] <naught101> well it still works. will have to try Quanta
[02:30] <SortOfThing> naught101: Daniel Glazman works on Mozilla Composer
[02:30] <eilker> so people? kompozer or quanta ?
[02:31] <lenscape> eilker: yes. I know what it stands for but it can apply to all sorts of applications
[02:31] <GradysGhost> Yeah, I got that.  As lenscape asked, I'm wondering what kind of WYSIWYG prog eilker is looking for.
[02:31] <GradysGhost> HTML/web development?  Straight-up word processor?
[02:32] <eilker> GradysGhost: for web development, like dreanwave
[02:32] <eilker> GradysGhost: for web development, like dreamwave*
[02:32] <GradysGhost> Okay.  Quanta is good.  I can't speak for Komposer, having never used it, but if they say it's good, it probably is.
[02:32] <GradysGhost> You can get Quanta directly through the Adept package manager.
[02:32] <GradysGhost> Don't know about Komposer.
[02:33] <eilker> GradysGhost: do u have any idea for bluefish ?
[02:33] <GradysGhost> No.
[02:33] <eilker> GradysGhost: i installed it, but didnt like
[02:33] <lenscape> eilker: if you know the names of the packages, I'd suggest you try them out
[02:33] <lenscape> eilker: people like different features
[02:33] <lenscape> eilker: I much prefer a light-weight HTML editor - like Vim :-)
[02:33] <GradysGhost> Yeah.  Personally, I prefer not using a program like that.
[02:34] <SortOfThing> There's nothing like Windows professionnal WYSIWYG applications under linux, as usual
[02:34] <GradysGhost> I'd use a plain text editor before anything else.
[02:34] <eilker> lenscape: i exactly need dreamwave equalevent in linux
[02:34] <GradysGhost> Linux is geared more toward hard-coders and geeks anyway.
[02:35] <GradysGhost> I'm not sure that any WYSIWYG is going to have all that much thought put behind it.
[02:35] <lenscape> eilker: well, you might get Dreamweaver to run on Wine. Otherwise, try a VM
[02:35] <GradysGhost> And will probably insert ridiculous &nbsp char codes for every space.
[02:35] <SortOfThing> GradysGhost: O my :)
[02:35] <eilker> lenscape: do u use vm ? i havent tried it yet...
[02:36] <lenscape> eilker: I've been using VMWare for years. I have to run some Windows apps for my work
[02:36] <eilker> lenscape: i have only 512 ram...
[02:36] <eilker> lenscape: is it problem ?
[02:36] <lenscape> eilker: 2GB :-)
[02:36] <GradysGhost> 512 is all I'm running here.
[02:37] <lenscape> eilker: it'll be tight in 512MB but you can do it with, say, a 200MB VM
[02:37] <torgny> Hello eveyone!
[02:37] <GradysGhost> Howdy, torgny.
[02:37] <eilker> lenscape: what must i install ? vmserver ? there are 4-5 software in vm page
[02:37] <torgny> :D
[02:38] <torgny> I have a litte problem, i'm a beginner and i use kubuntu
[02:38] <SortOfThing> there's no problem here =)
[02:39] <Vladdy> there is no spoon
[02:39] <lenscape> eilker: you will need a Windows install CD and VMWare isn't free
[02:39] <torgny> Yesterday i installed Amsn and the swedish letters  worked perfectly, but suddenly is stopped working. I want to get them back because it is really hard without them
[02:39] <GradysGhost> Wow.  I was just commenting on my consumption of a Danish a moment ago.
[02:40] <eilker> lenscape: there r free version too, i have win cd...
[02:40] <GradysGhost> Now there's a Swede.
[02:40] <GradysGhost> Okay.
[02:40] <Vladdy> go to K menu - system settings and configure regional settings
[02:40] <GradysGhost> Yeah.  Listen to Vladdy.  Not me.
[02:40] <GradysGhost> I'm going out for a smoke.
[02:40] <lenscape> eilker: the free version is VMWare Player but that only runs pre-created VMs
[02:40] <eilker> lenscape: VMware Player | VMware Server | VirtualCenter for VMware Serve  these are free
[02:41] <torgny> I have alreade configured my regional setting and  workes generally but not in Amsn. Is it Amsn that is the problem?
[02:41] <Vladdy> most likely
[02:41] <lenscape> eilker: I'd suggest you want either VMware player of VMware workstation (not free). The others are for servers
[02:42] <lenscape> eilker: ...and datacenters
[02:42] <eilker> lenscape: must i buy it ? or can it be found on net ?
[02:42] <torgny> Vladdy, do you think that i can configure the settings for Amsn? I havn't found any
[02:43] <naught101> http://www.vmware.com/
[02:43] <lenscape> I don't get involved in nicking software. I use FOSS or I buy it
[02:43] <Vladdy> well, I'm not that sure about amsn, I don't like it very much myself
[02:43] <naught101> there's a free version of server(?)
[02:43] <SortOfThing> torgny: forget amsn, try kopete ^^
[02:43] <naught101> that you can use as a personal edition
[02:43] <naught101> http://www.vmware.com/products/free_virtualization.html
[02:44] <naught101> free as in gratis
[02:44] <Vladdy> kopete supports msn webcams ;p
[02:44] <torgny> sortofthing: Ohhh, but do you think that i can keep my msn contacts i i use kopete? :P
[02:44] <naught101> lenscape: what about closed source freeware?
[02:44] <lenscape> naught101: yes, that too, when I have to
[02:44] <SortOfThing> torgny: of course, MSN support is included
[02:45] <SortOfThing> torgny: client side or a jabber server transport side
[02:45] <naught101> night all
[02:45] <SortOfThing> torgny: kopete is one of the best MSN compliant clients around
[02:46] <Vladdy> yep
[02:46] <Vladdy> gaim comes in second to kopete
[02:46] <torgny> sortofthing: Thanks for the tip :D  i'm not so good at this, is it easy so understand and install? Can i install it from the adept?
[02:47] <SortOfThing> torgny: of course, kopete is the official KDE IM client
[02:47] <Jucato> Kopete is already installed
[02:47] <Jucato> (on Kubuntu)
[02:47] <SortOfThing> torgny: just launch it:)
[02:48] <torgny> Ohh, that was easy! :D Thanks alot!
[02:48] <torgny> Now i will try to sort it out
[02:48] <GradysGhost> torgny: Download, untar it.  Open a Konsole window.  Use cd <dir> to browse to the directory.  Use ls to show you the files in it.  Find something like config.sh or install.sh.  Type ./<filename>
[02:48] <GradysGhost> Follow prompts, let it do its thing.
[02:49] <SortOfThing> GradysGhost: huh?!
[02:50] <torgny> GradysGhost: that seems wery difficult :S
[02:51] <kirkz> hey all i just installed msttcorefonts, however i want them to appear non-aliased like in windows.. (just clear lines) and w/o the AA artifacts, how do i do that?
[02:54] <torgny> Now i have started kopete, but were is my msn contacts?
[02:55] <Jucato> torgny: have you added and MSN account in Kopete?
[02:55] <Jucato> s/and/an/
[02:56] <lenscape> torgny: Can you feed yourself?
[02:56] <SortOfThing> torgny: just add a new account in kopete "configuration"
[02:56] <Jucato> also, by default, Kopete doesn't show offline buddies/contacts.
[02:57] <torgny> Ohh, now i understand. I did is wrong the first time. Now it works
[02:57] <torgny> Thankyou everyone!
[02:57] <torgny> thanks*
[02:58] <mivek> witam :] 
[02:58] <torgny> Actually my kopete shows the offline contacts
[02:59] <torgny> But i figured it out
[02:59] <SortOfThing> You can hide them
[03:00] <torgny> right, hidden is better :P
[03:00] <SortOfThing> I've got all my colleagues in a jabber account
[03:01] <mo6> hallo
[03:01] <lenscape> Jabber rocks
[03:02] <mo6> ik ben nog niet zo lang met kubuntu bezig, maar ik ben aan het uitzoeken hoe ik mp3's aan de praat krijg
[03:02] <icheyne> !nl
[03:02] <mo6> iemand die me even op weg kan zetten? :)
[03:02] <ubotu> Nederlandstalige ondersteuning voor Ubuntu (en vers gezette koffie) is te vinden in #ubuntu-nl
[03:02] <mo6> ah k, sry
[03:02] <icheyne> did I guess right? ;)
[03:02] <lenscape> :-)
[03:02] <mo6> yeah :)
[03:03] <icheyne> cool
[03:03] <mo6> you rock ;)
[03:03] <icheyne> :P
[03:03] <torgny> Are there any sweedes in here? :P
[03:04] <icheyne> !se | torgny
[03:04] <ubotu> torgny: Svensk Ubuntu- och Kubuntusupport hittar du pa #ubuntu-se resp. #kubuntu-se
[03:05] <torgny> Ohh, tack s mycket! :D
[03:13] <deian> hi room
[03:13] <deian> anyone got upstart working on feisty?
[03:14] <Jucato> deian: you might want to try asking in #ubuntu+1 :)
[03:14] <Pupeno> !mp3
[03:14] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:15] <php1> Hallo !
[03:18] <vyoman> i am thinking of resizing the root partion ext3 (qtparted), how dangerous is that you think?
[03:18] <php1> I don't know, sorry
[03:19] <php1> just .... figuring out if the IRC chat works ...
[03:19] <php1> kk
[03:19] <php1> cya
[03:19] <vyoman> has anybody got some nightmare experience to share? :)
[03:22] <lenscape> this is odd
[03:22] <lenscape> my USB headset has a volumne control on it - buttons - up and down
[03:22] <lenscape> it's never worked before but now, on Kubuntu it is adjusting the volume
[03:23] <Lynoure> lenscape: :)
[03:23] <lenscape> however, it's adjusting the wrong volume.
[03:23] <Lynoure> wrong?
[03:23] <lenscape> it's adjusting the main audio (hw:0) and not the headset audio (hw:1) in ALSA terms
[03:24] <lenscape> which is kind of useful but not really right
[03:36] <cox377> does anyone here have a modded xbox and use xlink?
[03:37] <Digital_Pioneer> Hi. My computer is hooked up to the phone line, and I need to receive a fax and save it to a file (format doesn't matter, as long as I can print it later). How do I do that?
[04:00] <wildchild> !samba
[04:00] <ubotu> samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[04:01] <linux_> hi all, I would like some info about exploits, hace someone a good link whit examples and info ??
[04:05] <fulat2k> hi folks, is there any way i can get kubuntu to load the usb2 module for my devices?  rite now only the usb1 module is loaded.
[04:10] <nagyv> how can I connect to my laptop with my mobile using bluetooth? The mobile sees the laptop, but asks for a password, what is this password?
[04:12] <MidMark> nagyv: you have to connect from laptop to mobile and not the opposite
[04:13] <MidMark> then a code will be asked in the mobile, you type and then the same code will be asked in the laptop and then repeat it, then connected
[04:13] <nagyv> MidMark: and on the mobile side I do not have to authorize anything?
[04:13] <MidMark> ^
[04:14] <nagyv> MidMark: and how should I connect from the laptop? Where will I find the mobile device?
[04:15] <MidMark> system->remote address->bluetooth
[04:15] <Angrataf> n
[04:16] <nagyv> MidMark: thx, I have found it in Konqueror too
[04:17] <MidMark> of course when you open the address I have said konqueror shows
[04:18] <fragrag> Anything that is supposed to be for ubuntu is also good for kubuntu, right? (sorry, total Linux noob here)
[04:19] <edmund> we
[04:19] <edmund> wo
[04:19] <edmund> wi
[04:20] <icheyne> fragrag, more or less.
[04:20] <kirkz> hey all i just installed msttcorefonts, however i want them to appear non-aliased like in windows.. (just clear lines) and w/o the AA artifacts, how do i do that?
[04:23] <fragrag> That's weird, I changed sources.list in Kate and when I click save, it says access denied
[04:23] <icheyne> kirkz, http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=16896&postcount=1
[04:23] <icheyne> oh right
[04:23] <icheyne> sorry kirkz ignore that
[04:23] <icheyne> hang on
[04:23] <Jucato> fragrag: right-click on sources.list, select Actions -> Edit as Root
[04:24] <kirkz> icheyne?
[04:24] <icheyne> kirkz, just googling for an article I once read
[04:24] <fragrag> I get a malformed URL
[04:25] <fragrag> nevermind
[04:26] <Jucato> fragrag: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:26] <icheyne> kirkz, sorry mate I can't find it
[04:30] <kirkz> thanks
[04:30] <fragrag> thanks alot
[04:34] <Kr4t05> Someone wanna refresh my memory? What packages do I need to install if I
[04:35] <Kr4t05> am installing the NVIDIA beta drivers?
[04:35] <fragrag> How do I enable ipv6 on my browser?
[04:35] <fragrag> konqueror to be exact
[04:36] <LeeJunFan> I wish SIS would release specs or something for their cards for linux. Would love to have the 25 workstations at the library running beryl.
[04:37] <scythe128> what is the difference from using apt-get install kde and apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
[04:38] <trappist> scythe128: the difference between apt-cache depends kde and apt-cache depends kubuntu-desktop
[04:38] <Jucato> prepare for lots of scrolling lines
[04:38] <scythe128> would you mind explaining that trappist?
[04:39] <Digital_Pioneer> Hi. My computer is hooked up to the phone line, and I need to receive a fax and save it to a file (format doesn't matter, as long as I can print it later). How do I do that?
[04:39] <nagyv> how can I found out the device name of a device? (bluetooth dongle)
[04:39] <scythe128> nag, you might want to try lsusb if it is a usb dongle
[04:39] <trappist> scythe128: kde and kubuntu-desktop are just metapackages - that is, all they do is depend on other packages so you can install many packages at once.  the difference between them is what they depend on.
[04:39] <Jucato> the "kde" metapackage install a lot (and I mean a lot) of KDE software, while the "kubuntu-desktop" metapackage installs the default Kubuntu packages and settings
[04:39] <nagyv> Digital_Pioneer: you say that you would like to use your computer as a fax?
[04:40] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: Yes, but I don't want to send, I want to receive.
[04:40] <nagyv> scythe128: aham, and how to get the device name? I mean /dev/something ?
[04:40] <scythe128> ok, so you actually get a more complete install (for kde) using the apt-get install kde?  kubuntu-desktop relies more on the default ubuntu software and just adds the kde wm, basically
[04:40] <Kr4t05> Does anyone else know what packages I'd need in order to install the Beta Nvidia drivers?
[04:41] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: You might try dis/reconnecting it and then checking dmesg.
[04:41] <scythe128> well nagyv, uhhh... cant help you with that one
[04:41] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: What are you connecting? A cell phone?
[04:41] <VSpike> Anyone managed to get amarok visualizations working under kubuntu edgy?
[04:41] <nagyv> yes, I would llike to use remoteJ
[04:41] <VSpike> And is just me, or is Amarok a bit buggy?
[04:42] <Digital_Pioneer> VSpike: Mine work just fine.
[04:42] <scythe128> yes vspike, yes :)\
[04:42] <VSpike> Digital_Pioneer: out of the box?
[04:42] <Digital_Pioneer> VSpike: All I have is the libvisual ones though.
[04:42] <VSpike> hmm
[04:42] <Digital_Pioneer> VSpike: Do you have libvisual installed?
[04:42] <Digital_Pioneer> If not, you need it.
[04:42] <icheyne> Kr4t05, there are instructions at the Ubuntu Wiki
[04:42] <VSpike> yeah.. well, i have libvisual and libvisual-plugins installed
[04:42] <Digital_Pioneer> VSpike: And nothing lists in Tools->Visualizations?
[04:42] <icheyne> !nvidia | Kr4t05
[04:42] <ubotu> Kr4t05: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:43] <VSpike> I get the "No visualizations found" popup error
[04:43] <LordOllie> anyone here have issues with kopete displaying all your contacts
[04:43] <LordOllie> ?
[04:43] <LordOllie> or hang with downloads?
[04:43] <Jucato> LordOllie: Settings -> Show offline users?
[04:43] <Digital_Pioneer> VSpike: A stupid question, but have you restarted Amarok since you installed libvisual?
[04:44] <VSpike> Digital_Pioneer: yep :)
[04:44] <Digital_Pioneer> OK, thought so.
[04:44] <LordOllie> Jucato: nope, all my users are offline... but, there are like only 6 of them
[04:44] <LordOllie> there should be 50ish
[04:44] <Digital_Pioneer> VSpike: DK. Do you know of any other visuals I can put in Amarok? I want more, More, MORE! LOL
[04:45] <VSpike> Digital_Pioneer: oops.. you made me think.  Did i just close the window and leave it running in the tray?
[04:45] <Digital_Pioneer> VSpike: That would be a problem. :)
[04:45] <VSpike> Digital_Pioneer: The answer I'd guess was yes, because I just closed it properly and now I seem to have visuals :)
[04:45] <Digital_Pioneer> VSpike: Yeah, I do that all the time.
[04:45] <nagyv> Digital_Pioneer: dmesg did not helped me out :(
[04:46] <Digital_Pioneer> I mean, the computer should have a system to read your mind and know if you want it minimized or closed. NOTE: That should be included in next release. :D
[04:46] <VSpike> exactly!
[04:46] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: OK. Did you say it was a cell phone?
[04:46] <VSpike> it should dwim
[04:46] <nagyv> Digital_Pioneer: yes
[04:46] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: OK, check for presence of /dev/ttyACM0
[04:47] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: (With phone connected, of course.)
[04:47] <scythe128> how bout just having the system minimize to tray and actually fully quit when you tell it to (x button or quit command or etc..)
[04:47] <nagyv> Digital_Pioneer: btw, I can not help you out with your fax question :(
[04:47] <snowice> which program recommended for p2p on kubuntu?
[04:47] <Digital_Pioneer> scythe128: No, that alwasy trips me up too.
[04:47] <nagyv> Digital_Pioneer: I do not have it (I think I am connected)
[04:47] <Digital_Pioneer> snowice: I use KTorrent, it works just fine.
[04:48] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: Too bad. That's what mine comes as.
[04:48] <icheyne> !p2p | snowice
[04:48] <ubotu> snowice: Conventional P2P clients: Limewire/GTK-Gnutella/Frostwire (Gnutella Network).  -  BitTorrent: see !torrent  -  Direct connect: try valknut.  -  Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/P2PFileSharing for general information.
[04:48] <scythe128> hehe digital, atleast it would be consistant between all apps then
[04:48] <VSpike> Digital_Pioneer: it would be nice to have more viz
[04:48] <LeeJunFan> mldonkey/kmldonkey is okay, but for torrents ktorrent seems nicer.
[04:48] <icheyne> snowice, I use ktorrent
[04:48] <snowice> Digital_Pioneer, thanks, I'll have a look at it
[04:48] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: Is it a P2K phone?
[04:48] <VSpike> Digital_Pioneer: having just migrated from windows, i'm missing the excellent milkdrop on winamp
[04:48] <nagyv> Digital_Pioneer: a what? it's a Sony-Ericsson k750
[04:49] <Digital_Pioneer> VSpike: LOL, well, welcome to the bunch of smart ones who use Linux.
[04:49] <LordOllie> ok, anyone know about making broadcom wireless cards work?
[04:49] <icheyne> !broadcom | LordOllie
[04:49] <ubotu> LordOllie: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:49] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: Hmm... I see.
[04:49] <VSpike> Digital_Pioneer: thanks :) not feeling so smart at the moment with no working printer, but hey ho ;)
[04:49] <nagyv> Digital_Pioneer: I can browse it in Konqueror
[04:50] <LeeJunFan> VSpike: missed the beginning of this conversation, but if you install xmms visuals - amarok can use them.
[04:50] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: Pastebin your dmesg after dis/re-connecting it.
[04:50] <icheyne> LordOllie, you need to use ndiswrapper
[04:50] <LordOllie> icheyne... *ewwww* what I read about ndiswrapper is that it isn't pleasant
[04:50] <icheyne> LordOllie, I bought a new wifi card it annoyed me so much
[04:51] <scythe128> lordollie, may not be plesent, but it works ...... sorta
[04:51] <nagyv> Digital_Pioneer: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34560/
[04:51] <icheyne> LordOllie, an RT2500 chipset one - works perfectly. With a bit of messing around I got wpa working.
[04:51] <LordOllie> sorta that sounds reasuring... what about it makes it "sorta"?
[04:51] <Digital_Pioneer> OK, viewing.
[04:51] <scythe128> ive heard it can be flaky
[04:52] <scythe128> will work sometimes, sometimes it wont
[04:52] <Kiongku> who's good with mplayer here?
[04:52] <icheyne> LordOllie, unless you are short of money I recommend buying a decent wifi card - saves a lot of time. Depends how valuable your time is. :)
[04:52] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: Hmm. Not altogether informative, is it?
[04:52] <scythe128> or a wireless bridge... but that is only usefull in certain circumstances
[04:53] <nagyv> Digital_Pioneer: I agree
[04:53] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: I'm going to tell you to try something very simple... :D
[04:53] <LordOllie> icheyne: so you say external wireless card then?
[04:53] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: Disconnect the device. Wait a few seconds.
[04:53] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: ls /dev > 1
[04:53] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: Reconnect, wait.
[04:53] <icheyne> LordOllie, if you have a laptop and that's all you can do then yes I recommend that. Otherwise get an internal PCI one
[04:54] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: ls /dev > 2
[04:54] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: diff 1 2
[04:54] <nagyv> Digital_Pioneer: is there any unmount-like command for deconnecting?
[04:54] <trappist> nagyv: yeah, if you know the device name :)  but it's only necessary if it's mounted
[04:54] <LordOllie> icheyne: ok, since wireless is a bitch what about making my ehternet quit "hanging" during download?
[04:54] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: The system should see the device disconnected, but if you knew the node you could "umount <devnode>"
[04:55] <icheyne> LordOllie, it's not THAT bad. I managed it, but got bored of doing the whole ndiswrapper compile process again and again.
[04:55] <icheyne> LordOllie, sorry don't know ethernet too well
[04:56] <scythe128> icheyne what enet card do you have?
[04:56] <trappist> LordOllie: when it hangs, if you run dmesg, do you get something about NETDEV WATCHDOG timeout?
[04:56] <LordOllie> icheyne: wireless is good, but I just want a staple connection to download stuff, keeps me from flopping from linux to doze
[04:56] <scythe128> and are you dl'ing large files?
[04:56] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: Has the jury (diff) reached a verdict (devnode)?
[04:56] <nagyv> there is a kio_bluetooth process running (I thought I will check for running bluetooth-like processes, while waiting)
[04:57] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: It should only take a few seconds, max.
[04:57] <LordOllie> trappist: yes, I believe that is what is says
[04:57] <trappist> LordOllie: I sure wish I could remember how I fixed that :/  what nic is it?
[04:57] <scythe128> lordollie, that sounds like a dlink card.
[04:57] <scythe128> is it?
[04:58] <nagyv> Digital_Pioneer: f*ck, I overwrote 1 :)
[04:58] <Digital_Pioneer> !language | nagyv
[04:58] <ubotu> nagyv: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:58] <LordOllie> trappist: it is a Marvell Yukon card
[04:58] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: :)
[04:58] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: Now, don't worry.
[04:58] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: Just forget 1 for now, and write 2 with the device disconnected.
[04:58] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: Then diff 2 1
[04:59] <trappist> LordOllie: wow, never heard of that one.  I don't remember how I fixed mine, but I remember where I got the help for it: #kernelnewbies on irc.oftc.net
[04:59] <nagyv> Digital_Pioneer: no differences (no output)
[04:59] <scythe128> trappist, the only one I ever heard of doing that was cheap dlink cards... the drivers were total crap.  I fixed by getting a intel pro card :)
[04:59] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: That probably means that you don't have a suitable driver, or you don't have the proper kernel module loaded.
[04:59] <LordOllie> trappist: ok, thanks for the help
[05:00] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: What are you trying to do to the phone?
[05:00] <nagyv> Digital_Pioneer: but I can browse my phone's content from my laptop with bluetooth!
[05:00] <nagyv> Digital_Pioneer: I would like to use the remoteJ program
[05:00] <trappist> scythe128: mine wasn't a dlink card.  I don't recall the mfr, but it was a pretty expensive gigabit card.  seems to be a driver issue anyway, not so much a hardware issue
[05:00] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: Is your laptop Windoze or Linux?
[05:00] <nagyv> Digital_Pioneer: Kubuntu Dapper
[05:01] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: Why not Edgy?
[05:01] <nagyv> Digital_Pioneer: I heard that it is not painless to upgrade, and don't have time to backup and (re)install everything
[05:02] <scythe128> trappist... most definately a driver issue, but certain cards are almost bulletproof in *nix where others are a little goofy
[05:02] <nagyv> Digital_Pioneer: Konqueror's bluetooth browser sees the phone, I can even open files from the phone in Konqueror (even though I am not used to use Konqueror)
[05:02] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: aptitude install update-manager
[05:02] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: That should help you do it.
[05:03] <nagyv> Digital_Pioneer: you mean Dapper->Edgy?
[05:03] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: Yeah.
[05:03] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: When you open update-manager (as root), it will tell you you are outdated and need to upgrade. Just click the button! :D
[05:03] <nagyv> Digital_Pioneer: I am really scared to do it now, I need the laptop, because I can not study without music, but the exam period is close :)
[05:04] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: And if you're browsing files in Konquror, I'd say you don't get a devnode because the computer sees it as a removable storage device.
[05:04] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: LOL
[05:04] <nagyv> Digital_Pioneer: and how can I browse it some other way?
[05:04] <scythe128> NETDEV WATCHDOG timeout seems to be a very common error though, google turned up over 39000 hits
[05:05] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: Well, I'm not familiar with remoteJ...
[05:05] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv:  Never heard of it. I really don't know... :(
[05:05] <trappist> scythe128: yeah hard to go wrong with like intel or 3com
[05:05] <nagyv> it's a kind of a bluez client, just not for symbian (lets say :) )
[05:05] <scythe128> but they can be expensive
[05:06] <nagyv> Digital_Pioneer: and how can I use the bluetooth connection out of Konqueror?
[05:06] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: Well, if it needs a devnode, I really don't know.
[05:06] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: I have one last idea.
[05:06] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: But other than that...
[05:06] <scythe128> btw.. you know of a place where I can get a diff faceplate for the pcislot for a nic.  I have a low profile card that needs to go in a desktop machine now (full size)
[05:06] <LordOllie> another quick question, is kubuntu really for begginers?
[05:06] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: Same as before... Almost.
[05:06] <nagyv> Digital_Pioneer: should I buy a new phone? :)
[05:06] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: Remove device...
[05:06] <scythe128> why do you ask lordollie?
[05:06] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: find /dev > 1
[05:07] <nagyv> LordOllie: it is, I am a beginner :)
[05:07] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: reconnect, find /dev > 2
[05:07] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: Don't overwrite 1.
[05:07] <Digital_Pioneer> ;)
[05:07] <Ace2016> How does ark put its stuff into konqueror's right click menu? i want to add some
[05:07] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: diff 1 2
[05:07] <LordOllie> scythe128: I was wondering if SUSE or fedora core 6 would be easier
[05:07] <Ace2016> like "Open With Ark"
[05:07] <Ace2016> how did ark put it there?
[05:07] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: It's possible that the devnode isn't in the top dir, but in a subfolder. Find will list recursively.
[05:08] <LordOllie> now that I have the partition and all
[05:08] <nagyv> Digital_Pioneer: no output
[05:08] <scythe128> lordollie, It is one of the most user friendly distros I have used.  Suse was great up to 9.2... after that it's quality control went to crap
[05:08] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: Then you aren't getting a devnode. I don't know what to do about that...
[05:08] <nagyv> Digital_Pioneer: as a normal user can I see everything? shouldn't I sudo?
[05:08] <scythe128> I havent tried fedora since core 2, i dont like redhat.  apt-get and synaptic makes k/ubuntu easier though
[05:08] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: Try it. May work.
[05:09] <nagyv> Digital_Pioneer: the devnode should go to the usb dongle or to the phone (once connected)?
[05:09] <scythe128> I do miss single user mode though. How do I get to that?  It was runlevel 2 on my suse box, what is it on kubuntu.  rl2 is full x multi user, rl1 is single user??
[05:10] <BluesKaj> Does anyone know what  this command does ?  :" sudo nano /etc/modprobe.conf",   and how do i use this command to set the TVCard to it's correct audio driver
[05:10] <trappist> scythe128: you just boot with the kernel option 'single'
[05:10] <BluesKaj> options cx88xx card=4
[05:11] <TheGateKeeper> BluesKaj: nano is a cli editor
[05:11] <scythe128> trappist, where do I pass that to the kernel?  Am I going to modifying my menu.list and can I get there from rl2?
[05:11] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: I would think the phone, but maybe not.
[05:11] <nagyv> Digital_Pioneer: yeeeeeeeessssssssssssss: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34565/
[05:11] <BluesKaj> ok TheGateKeeper, what does that mean and how do i use it ?
[05:12] <trappist> scythe128: I don't know what rl2 is.  hit esc at the grub prompt and add single to the list of options already there
[05:12] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: Excellent!
[05:12] <nagyv> Digital_Pioneer: I just had to use the Bluetooth Chat program
[05:12] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: You got it. They hid it. :)
[05:12] <deian> does anyone here have bad FPS in beryl?
[05:12] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: ?
[05:12] <nagyv> Digital_Pioneer: so, what does it mean? :)
[05:12] <TheGateKeeper> BluesKaj: sudo is for admin mode, nano is the editor, /etc/modprobe.conf is a file
[05:13] <TheGateKeeper> BluesKaj: you use nano to edit that file
[05:13] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: Well, I would expect that the phone's node is /dev/bus/usb/002/somethingoranother...
[05:13] <Digital_Pioneer> nagyv: Or whatever it said. LOL
[05:13] <scythe128> trappist, rl2 = run level 2 and is probably what run level you are running in.  Debian based distros use it instead of run level 5 for a full multi user, networked, with x  session
[05:14] <trappist> scythe128: oh, runlevels in ubuntu aren't anything like what you're used to
[05:14] <stka> is there something wron with the ubuntu update servers? Everytime i try "apt-get update" i get this messsage :  http://de.archive.ubuntu.com ... 302 Moved Temporarily
[05:15] <scythe128> exactly.... I usually have to go to run level 3 in suse to install the nvidia driver (no x session) but I have to kill x to do it in kubuntu
[05:15] <Digital_Pioneer> stka: You might want a few more repositories in your list. :)
[05:15] <TheGateKeeper> BluesKaj: if you are not comfortable using a cli editor do: Run Command... kdesu kate /etc/modprobe.conf
[05:16] <elton> 123456
[05:16] <ccc> 7
[05:16] <stka> Digital_Pioneer: I got the error with all Servers
[05:16] <Digital_Pioneer> elton: YAY! YOU CAN COUNT!
[05:16] <Ace2016> Does view profiles in konqueror effect the right click context menu?
[05:16] <Digital_Pioneer> stka: Hmm... Well, I've got so many repositories on my sources.list I always get errors...
[05:17] <stka> lol
[05:17] <BluesKaj> yeah TheGateKeeper, I'm trying to modify my TV Tuner card to work in Edgy ... check this out and tell mw how to follow thisguys instructions . if you don't mind  :) .. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=271496
[05:17] <Digital_Pioneer> stka: And SOMEHOW I'm still always having to manually download packages from packages.ubuntulinux.org....
[05:17] <scythe128> how do I manually install the binary drivers for my gforce fx card.. the computer it is on has no connection!
[05:18] <Digital_Pioneer> stka: But I ran aptitude update earlier today, and all mine seemed to work... Except for an evil few that never work.
[05:18] <stka> Fehl http://security.ubuntu.com edgy-security/universe Sources  302 Moved Temporarily  <--- this is what i get
[05:18] <BluesKaj> TheGateKeeper, I have good video feed from my sat receiver , but no audio ...that's what I'm trying to fix
[05:19] <scythe128> bluesKaj.. do you have it muted in volume control? I know it sounds simple... but its usually the small things that get me frustrated
[05:19] <Digital_Pioneer> stka: I don't know. Probably exactly what it says.
[05:19] <Digital_Pioneer> stka: Just wait a few days and check back. Maybe it'll be fixed by then.
[05:20] <stka> Digital_Pioneer: hopefully
[05:20] <BluesKaj> nope scythe128, if it was muted either thru the pc soundc ard or tv tuner it will show on the scrn :)
[05:20] <TheGateKeeper> BluesKaj: open up /etc/modprobe.conf and add the line to it: options cx88xx card=4
[05:21] <TheGateKeeper> BluesKaj: that's all there is to it
[05:21] <scythe128> really?  I had a switch that told my intel based card to use an external amp... that kept any and all sounds from working on my machine and no notification that it was muted.  That was why I asked
[05:21] <scythe128> good luck blues
[05:22] <TheGateKeeper> BluesKaj: you can use a cli editor nano or a gui one kate, makes no never mind
[05:22] <snowice> do I need to be aware of any security stuff when using ktorrent, like file or folder permissions, ... ?
[05:23] <stka> Digital_Pioneer: it looks like it's working again, like it says "Moved Temporarily" ;-)
[05:23] <snowice> and what is DHT?
[05:23] <Ace2016> decentralised tracker
[05:24] <Ace2016> useful if y
[05:24] <Ace2016> useful if the tracker goes down
[05:24] <snowice> Ace2016, it's okay to use that?
[05:24] <snowice> b/c it's off by default
[05:25] <Ace2016> some sites which require registration ask users to disable it
[05:25] <ijacek> cz
[05:25] <ijacek> !cz
[05:25] <ubotu> esk uivatele dme, aby mluvili v kanle #ubuntu anglicky. esky je mono se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Dkujeme.
[05:25] <snowice> okay, thanks, I'll just switch it on then
[05:26] <stka> another question: I try to install multisync but i get the errormessage that i need libpisock8 does any one of you has a solution ?
[05:27] <TheGateKeeper> stka: apt-get install libpisock8
[05:28] <stka> TheGateKeeper: that would be to easy ;-) There is no package with this name
[05:28] <scythe128> TheGateKeeper.. if it was available, wouldnt apt dl that when he tried to install multisync?
[05:29] <TheGateKeeper> stka: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&subword=1&version=dapper&release=all&keywords=libpisock8&sourceid=mozilla-search
[05:29] <lzap> Hi, where are these UBUNTU SESSIONS?
[05:29] <Ace2016> ubuntu sessions?
[05:29] <lzap> UbuntuOpenWeek
[05:29] <lzap> Taking place from Mon 27th Nov - Sat 2nd Dec on IRC.
[05:29] <Ace2016> weren't they over
[05:30] <lzap> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[05:30] <stka> TheGateKeeper: Thanks
[05:30] <TheGateKeeper> or put this into konqueor apt:/search?libpisock8
[05:30] <BluesKaj> TheGateKeeper, I tried adding that "options cx88xx card=4" in the terminal but it's not accepting it ..what's the command  ?
[05:31] <TheGateKeeper> BluesKaj: it won't lol
[05:32] <TheGateKeeper> BluesKaj: you open /etc/modprobe.conf up in a editor
[05:32] <TheGateKeeper> BluesKaj: write the command into the edit window
[05:32] <TheGateKeeper> BluesKaj: then save
[05:32] <voicu> !ipod
[05:32] <ubotu> For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto
[05:33] <scythe128> TheGateKeeper  can you append to the end of the file or does the line need to go in a spescific spod in the file?
[05:33] <voicu> uh, is by any chance an ipod expert in here?
[05:34] <TheGateKeeper> scythe128: hmm probable just append, idk, I don't have that file
[05:34] <scythe128> nope.. noone buys that crap.. I keep to the name brands like archos ;)  Im not, but I had to give you some flak
[05:35] <ByronFortescue> hey everyone..
[05:35] <scythe128> thankx.  TGK, how did you pull that off?? no need for modules at all?? are you running a monolithic kernel?
[05:35] <ByronFortescue> i have a question, I now how to run an openssh server now, however, if i want to login from another computer in the network i do something like user@192.1.1.1 or something.. how can i change the 192.1.1.1 into a name?
[05:36] <BluesKaj> nope, that fix doesn't work for my TV Wonder card
[05:36] <scythe128> do you have a dns server?
[05:37] <ByronFortescue> dns server?
[05:37] <scythe128> dns, it translates ip addresses, 192.168.0.1, to names  www.microsoft.com
[05:38] <ByronFortescue> oh, is that something i have to configure in the router?
[05:38] <TheGateKeeper> BluesKaj: you might need to reboot or restart the service to do with your tv card
[05:38] <scythe128> nope.. usually a standalone machine with a huge config file.  you would have to add a record to another upstream dns server and records for everything you want to have a name
[05:39] <scythe128> I dont know how to do it in linux, but there has to be a way
[05:39] <BluesKaj> ok TheGateKeeper reboot it is
[05:39] <ByronFortescue> ah ok
[05:39] <scythe128> you could also put in a line in your host file.  that should allow you to type in the name instead of the ip addres
[05:39] <ByronFortescue> but i cant i make a sort of alias for 192.1.1.1 on my other computers?
[05:40] <scythe128> yes, using your host(s?) file
[05:40] <scythe128> is it hosts in linux?  been a looooooooooooooooonnnnnnngggg time since I did anything remotely connected to that and I dont have a linux box near me right now
[05:40] <ByronFortescue> hmm
[05:40] <ByronFortescue> ok
[05:41] <ByronFortescue> i have a file called resolv.conf
[05:41] <yamal> scythe128: it is. /etc/hosts
[05:41] <scythe128> thanks yamal
[05:41] <ByronFortescue> which says
[05:41] <ByronFortescue> nameserver 102.168.1.254
[05:41] <ByronFortescue> domain user-desktop
[05:41] <ByronFortescue> i mean 192 ^_^
[05:42] <yamal> ByronFortescue: check in /etc/hosts, and add a line for the ip of your choice
[05:42] <scythe128> yeah.. what he said :)
[05:43] <scythe128> if you are the admin... there should be a file on your nameserver that also could do that so you dont have to edit the /etc/hosts file on every computer
[05:43] <ByronFortescue> ok do i need to add a line for the computer that wants to connect to it or do i need to type a line in for the server
[05:43] <ByronFortescue> oh i understand
[05:43] <scythe128> it would be the name of the server you are tyring to connect to and the ip address
[05:44] <yamal> ByronFortescue: you can choose any name you want for the ip, but it will only work from that one pc where you set this
[05:44] <scythe128> dang, I knew that I should have paid more attention to the dns part of my tcp/ip class :)
[05:45] <scythe128> you could call it fred if you wanted on that computer and on another you could call it barney
[05:45] <ByronFortescue> ah i done it!
[05:45] <scythe128> but that wouldn't be too bright
[05:45] <ByronFortescue> thansk for the help ^_^
[05:45] <scythe128> did it work ByronFortescue, or have you just edited the file?
[05:45] <ByronFortescue> yeah, but it was something that would be neat for the local server running here
[05:45] <ByronFortescue> yes it works
[05:46] <ByronFortescue> i can now connect with ssh user@user (example)
[05:46] <scythe128> glad to be of some help (I think yamal was more of help than I was)
[05:46] <ByronFortescue> you tried, that's enough ^_^
[05:46] <scythe128> hehe
[05:47] <scythe128> I usually dont have anything in my internal network that I connect to... all of my printers are shared and my files are shared.  I dont use nfs or ssh on my network, its only for the intarwebs
[05:48] <yamal> scythe128: I guess it's sometimes an advantage to be on a 500 pc lan :)
[05:49] <scythe128> hehe, I do admin stuff on a few 500 pc lans... but we use ms for dns, and I dont deal with that
[05:49] <scythe128> I have full admin privileges, but they get mad if I do anthing more than add to the domain :(
[05:51] <scythe128> guess they feel that isnt in my contract (they actually hired me as a fiber tech)
[05:52] <BluesKaj> no audio ...I wonder if this guy actually has the same tv card as mine ...it seems different
[05:59] <franzmax>  I am having a major problem after installing kubuntu edgy on my laptop: no grub at startup! I can only run ubunto cd live
[05:59] <llutz> Moin
[05:59] <franzmax> needless to say that i had no warnings or error messages
[06:01] <franzmax> i can access my hd and configure whatever may be needed, but i dunno where to start from
[06:02] <ByronFortescue> hmm does anyone now about a good online note keeper or something, where i can dump some stuff so i have notes anywhere
[06:02] <netmonk> hello! I have kubuntu dapper. it used to auto mount my usb pen but not any more. when i mount the device as root it shows fine on the desktop. how can i fix that back to auto mount? any ideas?
[06:03] <franzmax> a quick search on forums and with google gave so many links that it-s impossible to go through al of them and recognise good info from crap
[06:04] <scythe128> netmonk, do you have auto for that device in your /etc/fstab?
[06:05] <franzmax> any grub expert around?
[06:07] <MidMark> !ask
[06:07] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[06:07] <ByronFortescue> franzmax: try sudo update-grub
[06:07] <netmonk> scythe128 - /dev/sda1 /media/bigusb vfat noauto,noatime 0  2
[06:07] <netmonk> scythe128, what should i change?
[06:07] <ByronFortescue> noauto to auto i think
[06:08] <MidMark> franzmax: how many hdd have you in the laptop?
[06:08] <franzmax> fisically or logically?
[06:08] <ByronFortescue> franzmax: grub-install might work
[06:08] <ArmedGeek> fisically ??
[06:08] <MidMark> hdd->hard disk->phisically
[06:09] <scythe128> netmonk: change that noauto to auto and see if that help
[06:09] <netmonk> thanks... do i have to reload somehow the fstab?
[06:09] <TheGateKeeper> BluesKaj: what is your card?
[06:09] <franzmax> it is one hdd with several partitions MidMark
[06:10] <scythe128> dont think so, you should be able to do a sudo mount -a (it could be -A, im not sure) and it will remount all of your drives
[06:10] <BluesKaj> TheGateKeeper, TV Wonder Pro
[06:11] <scythe128> then unplug and replug your device
[06:11] <MidMark> franzmax: grub won't shows when: 1) install windows after linux 2) you have more than one hdd
[06:11] <BluesKaj> ATI
[06:11] <scythe128> BluesKaj,  The TV Wonder Pro is a BT card
[06:11] <scythe128> I have the VE, but I haven't messed with getting it to work yet
[06:12] <scythe128> I rarely use it and only in windows so far
[06:12] <BluesKaj> TheGateKeeper, it's the same card as the guy on the URL i showed you
[06:12] <netmonk> scythe128, now it mounts but i can't write files unless i'm root..
[06:12] <franzmax> MidMark I know.  Windows was already installed and a linux partitioning was already there from a previous install of a different distro
[06:13] <BluesKaj> TheGateKeeper, BT ?
[06:13] <scythe128> add user to the noauto,noatime section... that might help.. might not
[06:13] <scythe128> Its a brooktree chipset
[06:13] <scythe128> I dont remember what drivers work for it thgouh
[06:14] <scythe128> netmonk... atleast you have made some progress
[06:14] <franzmax> update-grub cant work from a live cd as it can-t find the dirs
[06:14] <netmonk> scythe128, yes, thanks :)
[06:15] <BluesKaj> scythe128, check this out : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=271496
[06:15] <scythe128> will do blues
[06:16] <netmonk> scythe128, solved it :) had add "user" in the line in fstab :)
[06:16] <netmonk> thanks
[06:16] <TheGateKeeper> BluesKaj: been here for the drivers? http://ati.amd.com/support/driver.html
[06:17] <franzmax> now it seems i need to run grub-install.  can anyone help ?  working from a live cd
[06:17] <TheGateKeeper> !grub
[06:17] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[06:17] <MidMark> franzmax: are you sure in the bios there is the hdd listed in the boot list?
[06:17] <scythe128> BluesKaj, you tried to plug in sound into your in port on your soundcard instead of the capture card?  Might need an RF modulator to do it.  You sould be able to select sound source then and have it work :) (I already have the RF Modulator so that is the easiest thing I could think of doing)
[06:18] <franzmax> let me check this MidMark..... need to reboot... see u later
[06:19] <MidMark> sometimes solution is the easiest one...
[06:20] <scythe128> BluesKaj, that is interesting... I need to get a net connection to the computer before I start fighting with it.  I also need to get the right video drivers installed... so right now it is mainly a windows computer that has the capture card.
[06:20] <tamacracker> Is anyone havin a problem with their KcheckGmail program?
[06:20] <scythe128> Mid, true... but the easiest solution is not always the most graceful nor desired
[06:21] <scythe128> there is a gmail checking program for linux?????!!!!!!:)
[06:21] <BluesKaj> scythe128, I have used the soundcard input from the sat receiver audio feed successfully, but i would like to record video and audio , so it requires an integrated signal to do so , hence the search for a fix :)
[06:21] <scythe128> What are you using to record?  In my windows, I can select a sound source in the program that is doing the capture... can you do that with your capture program?
[06:21] <MidMark> scythe128: one day to my customer->"there is no sound, why?"->"Because they aren't wireless..."->cable disconnected from pc :)
[06:22] <scythe128> lol!!!
[06:24] <scythe128> went for an interview.  Guy said his computer would no longer play sounds but he already knew why.  I check his machine and everything was right.  I looked at his speakers and they weren't on.  I tried to turn them on and then looked at him and said no power??  He replied that someone had taken his power brick from his speakers.  What type of butthead would do that??\
[06:25] <BluesKaj> scythe128, the capture program doesn't have any optional audio sources
[06:26] <franzmax> MidMark, yes, HDD is first in boot order in my bios
[06:26] <scythe128> I just interested in what program you are using... that is the one thing that is holding me back from a full transition to linux
[06:26] <franzmax> when booting it says there is something invalid
[06:27] <franzmax> i'm on a different computer now (where kubuntu and grub work just fine... )
[06:27] <franzmax> working from a live cd is so damned slow.......
[06:28] <BluesKaj> scythe128, using tvtime ... it all works well in windows with tv wonder pro program , btw
[06:28] <MidMark> franzmax: exact message?
[06:28] <franzmax> wait... need t reboot that old machine again...
[06:28] <scythe128> yeah, I know.. it was designed for that.  tvtime??  other than the sound issue, how do you like it
[06:29] <MidMark> always copy exact msgs
[06:29] <franzmax> MidMark, "Hard disk boot sector invalid"
[06:30] <MidMark> ok need to do the sudo grub-install
[06:30] <franzmax> I know MidMark ...only the laptop is in another room....
[06:30] <MidMark> try it
[06:30] <scythe128> BluesKaj, there is a program out there callled jacks.  If I rmember correctly.. it allowed me to reroute my inputs to any outputs.  Might help, might not
[06:30] <BluesKaj> it's ok , the video isn't quite up to the windows version
[06:30] <BluesKaj> oh yeah , jacks eh ?
[06:31] <Admiral_Chicago> how do i switch to another tty
[06:31] <scythe128> jacks or jack, I dont rmemeber fully
[06:31] <Admiral_Chicago> nvm
[06:31] <Jucato> Ctrl+Alt+F1-F6
[06:31] <BluesKaj> ok . I'll look for it
[06:31] <scythe128> there is a version for osx, but I cant seem to find any more info for linux
[06:31] <MidMark> jack
[06:31] <scythe128> jucato... looks like your keyboard has terrets
[06:31] <scythe128> thans midmark
[06:31] <franzmax> MidMark, any specific hint doing grub-install from live cd ?  anything i'm not supposed to find in normal howtos?
[06:33] <MidMark> if bootsector is damaged
[06:33] <MidMark> at least you don't do nothing better :)
[06:33] <franzmax> yep
[06:34] <franzmax> MidMark, now I know how to spend my evening...
[06:34] <franzmax> I hope it will not be the whole night...
[06:34] <MidMark> but I think in the dvd there is a rescue option, is there also in the live cd?
[06:34] <scythe128> BluesKaj.. http://jackit.sourceforge.net/docs/faq.php  check that out
[06:34] <MidMark> that try to boot within ubuntu that is installed
[06:35] <MidMark> but doesn't remember exactly
[06:35] <franzmax> what do I have to search for MidMark ?
[06:35] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: no this keyboard stopped being recognized
[06:35] <Admiral_Chicago> i had the command right
[06:35] <Jucato> ouch
[06:35] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: #ubuntuz-classroom ?
[06:35] <Jucato> yez
[06:35] <MidMark> yes tried with: "boot from first hard disk"?
[06:36] <franzmax> of course MidMark.... it gives the same error I reported before
[06:36] <MidMark> and if it works then sudo grub-install that probably works also with the normal liv
[06:36] <MidMark> ok then try with the live
[06:36] <BluesKaj> scythe128, jackeq:jackEQ is a tool for routing and manipulating audio from/to multiple input/output sources. It runs in the JACK Audio Connection Kit.
[06:37] <franzmax> ok MidMark , thanks for your time
[06:37] <BluesKaj> it's in adept
[06:37] <scythe128> BluesKaj, the routing part might be of some help?
[06:37] <BluesKaj> yeah , we'll give it a shot
[06:38] <scythe128> good luck... its not a pretty fix, but its a fix maybe :)
[06:38] <MidMark> nothing... are you italian?
[06:38] <scythe128> adept?
[06:38] <BluesKaj> yup
[06:38] <scythe128> what is adept?
[06:38] <MidMark> !adept
[06:38] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[06:39] <franzmax> yes I am MidMark : how did u found it?
[06:39] <MidMark> franzmax: because you wrote fisically and not phisically and because I'm italian too :)
[06:39] <BluesKaj> pkg manager ..in multimedia in the kicker , if yer using kde
[06:39] <franzmax> LOL
[06:39] <BluesKaj> use apt scythe128,
[06:39] <scythe128> excellant.... I didnt install kubuntu desktop... just kde, so I have a slightly different package selection installed :)
[06:40] <scythe128> I usually do use apt, or synaptic if I am really confused on a packages name :)
[06:40] <franzmax> MidMark, that's an example of social engineering......  ciao e grazie!
[06:40] <MidMark> ciao divertiti con kubuntu :)
[06:40] <BluesKaj> yeah I prefer synaptic , but adeprt is more forgiving with names :)
[06:41] <BluesKaj> err adept
[06:41] <scythe128> hehe.. I may have to install that:)  my spelling is attrocious...attt..att.. horible
[06:42] <doojandro> holas
[06:42] <doojandro> alguien q pueda ayudarme
[06:42] <scythe128> bueno dias
[06:42] <MidMark> |es
[06:42] <MidMark> !es
[06:42] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[06:42] <BluesKaj> !es
[06:43] <MidMark> I love spanish :))
[06:43] <doojandro> necesito cambiar la resolucion de mi pantalla y noc comohacer
[06:43] <TFrog> i just booted up my desktop after having everything working in edgy and got the following "/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off" can someone tell me why all of a sudden i can't get x-windows up and get this after booting normally?
[06:44] <scythe128> lo siento, para no hablo bien, vas a #ubuntu-es por favor o hable ingles aqui
[06:46] <BluesKaj> hmmm , jackeq is missing something in it's GUI ...dies upon launch
[06:46] <scythe128> aaarrrrggggggg... nnnnoooooooo :(  You could always compile from source using the sourceforge packages :)
[06:49] <scythe128> doojandro, are you getting help changing your resolution in the other room
[06:50] <kpenrose> Does anyone know why newly installed applications don't show up in K Menu?
[06:50] <scythe128> because they weren't configured to?
[06:50] <MidMark> kpenrose: in dapper it's a known bug
[06:50] <MidMark> in edgy should be absent
[06:50] <baboso> hi everybody
[06:50] <scythe128> feature.. MidMark... its a feature :)
[06:51] <MidMark> ?
[06:51] <scythe128> its not a bug.. its a feature :)
[06:51] <BluesKaj> scythe128, I always have problems with compiling ... i get the pkgs to dl ok, but can't seem to get them to install
[06:51] <kpenrose> MidMark:  I'm using dapper on the desktop - edgy on the laptop; doesn't seem to work in either place.
[06:51] <baboso> i installed firefox 2.0 with psychocats script, but it crashes on startup
[06:51] <kpenrose> And these are installs from ubuntu mirrors.
[06:52] <baboso> i'm using scim and this page (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion) says this might happen
[06:52] <scythe128> BluesKaj, what usually fails... the ./configure, the make or the make install?
[06:52] <baboso> how can i run them at the same time?
[06:52] <BluesKaj> all of the above :)
[06:52] <baboso> (the page has a link to an article that doesn't exist...)
[06:52] <MidMark> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/40048
[06:53] <MidMark> kpenrose: ^
[06:53] <scythe128> hehe... I usually have to dl a ton of things like a c++ compiler, or the header files, or some obscure version of libxxwhatever
[06:53] <logicalbomb> I like how Kubuntu installed my kernel and the kernel source didn't match the kernel
[06:53] <scythe128> what?
[06:54] <logicalbomb> also giving me the latest as a 2.4 on apt-get when i'm running 2.6
[06:54] <MidMark> because you have to search linux* and not kernel*
[06:55] <baboso> does anybody have any ideas?
[06:55] <scythe128> logicalbomb, you can apt the correct kernel source though.  You can even get it from kernel.org (minus any nifty changes Mr. Stallworts team has done to it)
[06:55] <scythe128> sorry babs
[06:55] <logicalbomb> scythe128 got it and installed ty
[06:55] <logicalbomb> just now lol
[06:55] <baboso> there is no way?... :(
[06:56] <logicalbomb> I want the nvidia drivers to work right on this thing
[06:56] <logicalbomb> brb
[06:56] <milaks> Can someone tell why is that when I installed kde on ubuntu, I cannot access / (filesystem root) from within konqueror?
[06:56] <logicalbomb> have to shut down my x server to install them
[06:56] <baboso> it worked in edgy... there is no way to make it work in dapper?
[06:56] <scythe128> oh yeah, I didnt even remember doing the search for linux... I had completely forgotten about searching for that
[06:56] <milaks> it simply shows only /home and /media folders
[06:57] <scythe128> what did you go to dapper from edgy? what caused you to downgrade
[06:57] <baboso> a number of different problems
[06:57] <MidMark> milaks: because they are hidden, just click on show hidden files
[06:57] <baboso> and eventually a faulty cd
[06:57] <baboso> long story
[06:57] <scythe128> ok
[06:57] <MidMark> !hidden
[06:57] <ubotu> Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[06:57] <scythe128> I wont ask :)
[06:58] <milaks> MidMark: thanks
[06:58] <baboso> its not as bad as it sounds... but everything worked so great with dapper i thought i would give it another shot
[06:58] <baboso> but then again, i'm running into these stupid problems trying to setup dapper again... *sigh*
[06:58] <MidMark> milaks: I think this behaviour will be changes again for feisty because too many problems about this, like yours :)
[06:59] <milaks> MidMark: Yes, well it is a bit odd :)
[06:59] <milaks> MidMark: One more question, how can I make konqueror (file browser) window start in one windows size, and konqueror (web browser) in another?
[07:00] <BluesKaj> scythe128, as an example of what i mean , at the bottom of this page is an update to an existing video converter prog, which works very well btw ...but can't get this program to install , no matter what i try .
[07:00] <BluesKaj> http://www.rastersoft.com/programas/devede.html
[07:01] <MidMark> milaks: when you save your profile there are two profiles: web and file manager ;)
[07:01] <fragrag> I'm getting this error while running the firefox shell to install firefox
[07:01] <fragrag> ./firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot                                             open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:01] <baboso> ok... i think i'll just have to revert to 1.5 then...
[07:01] <baboso> until i find a solution
[07:01] <baboso> thx
[07:02] <milaks> MidMark: And how can I save profile? Right now those two are persistently the same size.
[07:02] <MidMark> milaks: settings -> save profile....
[07:02] <MidMark> and choose at the bootom -> save dimension... (something like that)
[07:03] <milaks> MidMark: And I should click at Settings->Save View Profile "Kubuntu File Manager" ?
[07:03] <MidMark> it depends on which profile you are saving for...
[07:04] <MidMark> and what you want to do :)
[07:04] <MidMark> open konqueror in your home -> dimension it -> save the profile in file manager
[07:04] <MidMark> do it the same thing but opened in a web page and saving into web profile
[07:05] <milaks> Is there any way for konqueror (web browser) to automaticaly remebers open tabs and reopens them upon next start, something like in opera?
[07:05] <fragrag> Doesn't it do that already?
[07:05] <MidMark> milaks: don't know I use firefox
[07:08] <RobertDB> can I ask an ignorant question?
[07:08] <Digital_Pioneer> RobertDB: NEVER!!! What is it?
[07:09] <milaks> MidMark: Thanks :)
[07:09] <kpenrose> Another ? - Other distribs create default directories (like My Documents, Music, etc.).  Why not (k)ubuntu?  New users will miss this type of structure, don't you think?
[07:09] <livingdaylight> is it fdisk -l or something to give me hardrive output?
[07:09] <RobertDB> I did a server install of 6.06, and then used apt-get install kubuntu-desktop. What will happen next? Do I have to restart the machine, or what?
[07:10] <_kuja_> Shouldn't  need to
[07:10] <cloakable> RobertDB: startx
[07:10] <RobertDB> (obviously more experience with win* that linux)
[07:10] <RobertDB> than
[07:10] <Digital_Pioneer> RobertDB: Same here. :)
[07:10] <fragrag> Every time I run the firefox shell to install it, I get this error that libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 can't be found
[07:11] <RobertDB> With the server installation, will I always boot to the command prompt, or will I boot to kde?
[07:11] <_kuja_> probably boot to kde
[07:11] <RobertDB> or do I have a choice?
[07:11] <livingdaylight> is it fdisk -l or something to give me hardrive output?
[07:11] <Digital_Pioneer> RobertDB: Probably to KDM (or GDM or XDM or whatever you're using) unless you specify otherwise.
[07:13] <RobertDB> it's been 25 years since I've used *nix, and even then I always used the terminal, so a real gui is a plus.
[07:14] <cloakable> :)
[07:14] <slow-motion> hallo
[07:14] <RobertDB> thanks for the help.
[07:15] <baboso> @scythe128: in case you were interested, i got firefox 2.0 to work with scim...
[07:15] <baboso> i had to run it with GTK_IM_MODULE=xim /opt/firefox/firefox, but now it works
[07:16] <baboso> just wanted to let you know :)
[07:16] <baboso> bye!
[07:16] <cloakable> bye
[07:19] <doojandro> some girl??
[07:19] <cloakable> What?
[07:20] <MidMark> !girl
[07:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about girl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:20] <noela> lol
[07:21] <logicalbomb> amazing!
[07:22] <logicalbomb> nothing I do works.  my graphics drivers tell me to go shove it
[07:22] <livingdaylight> does someone have a link for Kubuntu Edgy?
[07:22] <BluesKaj> !edgy
[07:22] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.10 (codenamed Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. To upgrade to Edgy, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades - To download Edgy: http://www.ubuntu.com/download
[07:22] <MidMark> !Edgy
[07:23] <fragrag> I'm having problems with konqueror, basically it's really really slow. I know it's something to do with IPv6 but what do I exactly do?
[07:23] <MidMark> damn for some milliseconds :)
[07:24] <livingdaylight> has everyone upgraded to Edgy or are any of you using Kubuntu Dapper?
[07:24] <logicalbomb> already at edgy
[07:25] <MidMark> Edgy here
[07:25] <livingdaylight> is Edgy stable or is it really Edgy
[07:25] <cloakable> Edgy recently. Before that, stable.
[07:25] <_kuja_> stable for me, a bit rought around the edges for others
[07:25] <cloakable> YMMV
[07:25] <livingdaylight> So, why is Dapper supported for another 3 years - seems meaningless when everyone jusmps boat everytime there is a new release
[07:26] <_kuja_> Because businesses & the like find it costly to upgrade
[07:26] <MidMark> livingdaylight: because some people cannot change every 6 months OS, like servers
[07:26] <cloakable> Indeed.
[07:27] <MetaBookfoziS> how can i remotecontrol my kubuntu wia bluetooth?
[07:27] <MetaBookfoziS> i have a connected device
[07:27] <MetaBookfoziS> but i forget the app's name
[07:27] <livingdaylight> so, if i'm installing an os on desktop first time is Edgy reccommended or Dapper?
[07:27] <MetaBookfoziS> that can do this... that kde app
[07:28] <nagyv> is here any bluetooth guru? I would like to use my sonyericsson as a remote controller. I have found the program remoteJ, which does just this, but it does not work for me.
[07:29] <livingdaylight> should i go for the latest?
[07:29] <_kuja_> livingdaylights, your pick. I'd say go with edgy, and if you are one of the people who experiences problems (some do), drop back to dapper
[07:29] <livingdaylight> why can't linux be like xp that lasts for 6 years
[07:30] <nagyv> how can I set up my bluetooth dongle in a way that I can connect to it from the mobile? (I can connect from the laptop with obexftp for example)
[07:30] <_kuja_> If you want LOOOOOONNNNNNGGGGGG release cycles, there is always debian.
[07:30] <cloakable> Indeed.
[07:30] <BluesKaj> xp lasts for 6 yrs with billions of dollars worth of help to keep it  afloat .
[07:30] <cloakable> Or LFS :P
[07:30] <snowstalker> livingdaylight: If you are installing fresh, I'd say that you go for the latest, and then upgrade only when you feel the need.
[07:30] <livingdaylight> i heard mark shuttleworth also has billions
[07:31] <livingdaylight> snowstalker: ok, that sounds sensible, as long as the latest is stable as dapper
[07:31] <nagyv> livingdaylight: actually I think that xp is already outdated (and it is since a couple of years), software is simply developing faster than this
[07:31] <daftvader> how can i quickly find out my kde version?
[07:32] <livingdaylight> agues, everyone here prefers kubuntu
[07:32] <nagyv> livingdaylight: actually what I like in ubuntu is that they have introduced now the LTS version, so I don't have to upgrade every half year.
[07:32] <_kuja_> go to help -> about -> about kde in most any kde program
[07:32] <snowstalker> daftvader: kde-config --version
[07:32] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight, edgy actually works better with my hardware than dapper did
[07:32] <livingdaylight> nagyv: LTS?
[07:32] <daftvader> thank you
[07:33] <cloakable> livingdaylight: Long Term Support
[07:33] <nagyv> livingdaylight: Long Term Support (version Dapper Drake)
[07:33] <cloakable> livingdaylight: version 6.06
[07:33] <nagyv> !LTS
[07:33] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[07:33] <stamen> hi
[07:33] <cloakable> :
[07:33] <_kuja_> helloooooooo
[07:33] <cloakable> Hey
[07:34] <intelikey> !dsl
[07:34] <ubotu> Setting up an ADSL/PPPoE connection? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ADSLPPPoE
[07:34] <nagyv> livingdaylight: but I am a bit affraid about the BIG upgrade to the next LTS, I think it won't be easy
[07:34] <stamen> I wan't to ask, is Edgy stable now or I will have problems again ?
[07:34] <stamen> my problem was with xorg server
[07:34] <cloakable> stamen: YMMV
[07:34] <daftvader> edgy should be stable
[07:34] <cloakable> I have some uptime problems.
[07:34] <nagyv> !YMMV
[07:34] <stamen> is it stable and final release
[07:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about YMMV - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:34] <intelikey> stamen it's stable and you will have problems
[07:35] <stamen> intelikey why
[07:35] <cloakable> I have difficulty getting over 1 day uptime :(
[07:35] <stamen> intelikey I will have problems with it if it is stable
[07:35] <daftvader> although i can't get my usplash to run
[07:35] <stamen> and xorg is working
[07:36] <daftvader> oh well considering i don't reboot my computer often
[07:36] <stamen> daftvader all was working on my PC
[07:36] <stamen> with splash screen, but only I had problems with xorg server
[07:36] <daftvader> stamen i still get that annoying "no useable theme found" msg
[07:37] <stamen> daftvader ok, I will not upgrade
[07:37] <daftvader> what's wrong with you xorg server?
[07:37] <stamen> could you tell me how to switch on nvidia tvout
[07:37] <fragrag> !mp3
[07:37] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:37] <stamen> its not working on my PC
[07:38] <daftvader> may be because its the new kernel
[07:38] <stamen> daftvader I couldn't start the X
[07:38] <stamen> daftvader tha was the problem with xserver
[07:38] <daftvader> try use generic kernel
[07:39] <stamen> daftvader I used it, but the same thing
[07:39] <stamen> daftvader the problem started when I made an upgrade to the new xserver
[07:40] <stamen> and after the restart, as you gues, the KDE didn't start
[07:40] <stamen> so I will stay on dapper
[07:40] <stamen> till they fix the problem
[07:41] <stamen> but who can tell me how to enable NVIDIA tvout
[07:41] <fragrag> !deb
[07:41] <ubotu> deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click on them (Ubuntu) or right-click and select Kubuntu Package Menu->install (Kubuntu)
[07:41] <stamen> for 2.6.12-15-686 kernel
[07:41] <snowice> stamen, I had the same problem when upgrading from debian stable to debian etch (about to become debian stable anytime soon)
[07:41] <stamen> for NVIDIA 6600
[07:41] <intelikey> who here builds .deb packages ?     got a howto on that ?
[07:42] <stamen> intelikey ask google :)
[07:42] <intelikey> i did he said he knew but wasn't going to tell me
[07:42] <snowice> stamen, so I just did a fresh install since my home is on a seperate partition, no problem
[07:43] <angasule> I need a program to edit subtitles, can anyone recommed me one?
[07:43] <j0rgy> hi folks, need to talk to anyone that used to be a suse user to ask a few questions.. thinkin of switchin..
[07:44] <snowice> angasule, subtitleeditor? didn't use it myself though
[07:44] <angasule> j0rgy: I was a SuSE user back in the 7.0 days, but not recently
[07:45] <livingdaylight> is  there a difference between downloading kubuntu iso or installing ubuntu and then doing install kubuntu-desktop
[07:45] <we2by> omg, glad you left suse
[07:45] <_kuja_> Yes
[07:45] <j0rgy> angasule: i see.. thx for lettin me know.. things changed a lot since the 7.0 days tho ;)
[07:45] <angasule> snowice: I don't see it in my repos, I guess it's installed from source?
[07:45] <snowstalker> intelikey: check out the packaging 101 session - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[07:45] <angasule> j0rgy: a lil' bit, yeah ;)
[07:45] <_kuja_> livingdaylight, if you install ubuntu then kubuntu-desktop, you get a full GNOME ubuntu installation first.
[07:46] <intelikey> snowstalker k ty
[07:46] <snowice> angasule, try enable universe in sources.list
[07:47] <angasule> snowice: do you have the subtitleeditor package available? I'm on dapper and don't see it
[07:47] <snowice> angasule, I'm using edgy and have it in my repos
[07:48] <angasule> !subtitleeditor
[07:48] <ubotu> subtitleeditor: GTK+ tool to edit subtitles. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.10.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 481 kB, installed size 1876 kB
[07:48] <livingdaylight> _kuja_: and is the resulting kubuntu the same as if i were to install kubuntu on its own?
[07:48] <angasule> maybe it's only on edgy
[07:48] <_kuja_> livingdaylight, yes, though, your menus would probbly be cluttered
[07:49] <livingdaylight> aha
[07:49] <guiden> does anyone know a easy 3D program that I can make shapes with picture as a skin on the shapes?
[07:49] <angasule> I need to fix some subtitles to remove some videos from my hdd so I can install edgy, lil' problem heh
[07:50] <angasule> guiden: blender is good
[07:50] <angasule> guiden: but you'll need to learn a tutorial and such, those programs aren't the easiest thing to learn
[07:50] <guiden> angasule ok thanks,
[07:51] <guiden> do you think I can make a game out of the objects I make?
[07:51] <guiden> I mean, can I programme it all in blender, or do I use another program for that?
[07:52] <angasule> guiden: blender has a game engine, but I've never used it so I don't know what it can do
[07:52] <guiden> ok
[07:53] <lagwagon> i am a mac convert to linux and am very new to linux..if there is someone who can private message me to help me with a few things that would be great. thank you
[07:53] <angasule> lagwagon: just say what you need help with, if anyone knows the answer, you'll get one
[07:54] <Alndr>  
[07:54] <lagwagon> ok. my knowlege for linux is very very limited. i am confused using the adept installer
[07:55] <lagwagon> i downloaded firefox, and am not sure on how to install it using adept or any other means
[07:55] <cloakable> lagwagon: DEB file?
[07:55] <CVirus> !adept
[07:55] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[07:55] <angasule> lagwagon: in linux, you don't download files from websites, generally speaking
[07:55] <CVirus> lagwagon: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[07:56] <angasule> lagwagon: what you do, is use an application (in Kubuntu's case, Adept) that manages all the software installed on your system
[07:56] <lagwagon> ok. the file i got was a .tar.gz file then once that was extracted i got a few .bin files
[07:56] <_kuja_> lagwagon, you don't actually have to go out, find, and download software, adept does it all for you.
[07:56] <angasule> lagwagon: unless you have a particular reason to run the latest, I'd advice using the kubuntu packages (accessible from within Adept)
[07:57] <angasule> lagwagon: in adept, you search for an application, select it for installation, and then adept will download, install and configure it for you
[07:57] <cloakable> Or Konqueror
[07:57] <lagwagon> ok. so use the add/remove program?
[07:58] <_kuja_> Sure.
[07:58] <angasule> lagwagon: you can use add/remove programs from the KDE menu, or start up adept (see the link mentioned above)
[07:58] <CVirus> lagwagon: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[07:58] <snowice> or alternatively use sudo aptitude in konsole
[07:59] <lagwagon> ok. i did the how to last night and followed that, but when i tell it to install, it asks me to insert dvd
[07:59] <snowice> lagwagon, you have to edit your sources.list file
[07:59] <lagwagon> ok. is there a how to on that process?
[08:00] <angasule> !sources.list
[08:00] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[08:00] <angasule> the ! thing is like magic :D
[08:00] <_kuja_> no kidding angasule ;)
[08:01] <cloakable> !magic
[08:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about magic - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:01] <elias_> is anybody fit with ACL?
[08:02] <angasule> hehe cloakable
[08:02] <cloakable> Thanks, angasule
[08:03] <j0rgy> !ppoe
[08:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ppoe - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:03] <intelikey> !dsl
[08:03] <ubotu> Setting up an ADSL/PPPoE connection? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ADSLPPPoE
[08:03] <j0rgy> thx intelikey
[08:04] <intelikey> np
[08:04] <cloakable> !networkmanager
[08:04] <ubotu> networkmanager is an application to make (wireless) networking Just Work. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/NetworkManager
[08:04] <j0rgy> intelikey: maybe u might help clarify. i notice most of the help is ubuntu-specific and not kubuntu specific.. does that mean there's a whole bunch of gnome stuff installed underneath the kde hood?
[08:05] <cloakable> !stability
[08:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about stability - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:05] <_kuja_> !botsnack
[08:05] <ubotu> Yum!
[08:05] <ajopaul_> has anybody tried kde4 on edgy?
[08:05] <serverus_> alguna chica
[08:06] <intelikey> j0rgy if the apps are gui they will most likely be desktop specific  but on the cli level there is neither gnome nor kde    it's just linux.
[08:06] <j0rgy> i see..
[08:06] <j0rgy> intelikey: and ppoe is currently only shell specific ?
[08:07] <intelikey> j0rgy i.e.  if it says open a terminal and type   then it's cli.
[08:07] <j0rgy> intelikey: i know what cli means ;)
[08:07] <intelikey> j0rgy i haven't looked at the page and don't have eth so i'd have to " learn to teach "   :)
[08:07] <j0rgy> intelikey: coz on suse there's a gui called kinternet and i'd assumed i'ts a kde app and not a suse app.
[08:08] <intelikey> i think kde has network manager   or some such
[08:08] <intelikey> look in the menu
[08:08] <j0rgy> i currently use kinternet to manage both ppoe as well as wlan.
[08:09] <j0rgy> so ur probly talkin about that..
[08:10] <intelikey> j0rgy also of note if a wiki is desktop specific   one in a pinch could install the required apps.   every thing ubuntu has kubuntu has to and vise versa   it's only one set of repos
[08:10] <intelikey> too
[08:13] <guiden> the server that was default on Konversation was ubuntu. something, but it doen't seem like I'm getting there
[08:13] <ubuntu__> hi
[08:14] <livingdaylight> guys, tell me how i best allocate partitions; how many for / and how many /home
[08:14] <_kuja_> hello
[08:14] <deian> one for each
[08:14] <_kuja_> ten gig for /, /home gets the rest, is how I do it.
[08:15] <j0rgy> livingdaylight: that depends on how much software u think u'll need to install vs how much stuff u'll want to store..
[08:15] <_kuja_> Don't forget to set up some space for swap though
[08:15] <deian> on root /, and swap too
[08:15] <livingdaylight> i got a 80gb hardrive
[08:15] <deian> just linux on it?
[08:15] <livingdaylight> so 10gb for / and then as much as i like for /home
[08:15] <livingdaylight> how about /var ; /usr
[08:16] <_kuja_> woudln't worry about them
[08:16] <freqmod> Hello, does anybody know if/where original (not patched by (k)ubuntu) kpdf packages for edgy are that does print correnctly.
[08:16] <deian> they will be made in root
[08:16] <_kuja_> just let them be on the / partition
[08:16] <livingdaylight> deian: i heard its good to make separate partitions for /var and /usr
[08:17] <deian> maybe for bigger computers/servers
[08:17] <_kuja_> In that case, root won't need anywhere near ten gig
[08:17] <_kuja_> the majority of space is taken up by /usr
[08:17] <deian> but linux works fine for me with /var and /usr in the root
[08:18] <deian> i only have a 80gb hdd
[08:18] <livingdaylight> ok
[08:18] <deian> and windiws takes 56gb of that
[08:18] <intelikey> _kuja_ deian not that it matters but as pertains to the discussion,   i don't have any partition
[08:18] <livingdaylight> can i leave 20gb for xp if i need to install it or can i run xp using vmware?
[08:18] <deian> not been down that route
[08:18] <_kuja_>  You don't have any partitions? Does this mean you lack a harddrive altogether intelikey :P
[08:19] <intelikey> _kuja_ no.  i mount /dev/hda /
[08:19] <deian> and that is root?
[08:19] <_kuja_> And even if you only have one intelikey, one partition is one partition
[08:19] <intelikey> i don't have one.
[08:20] <deian> so where is linux installed?
[08:20] <intelikey> on hda
[08:20] <deian> or do u use live dvd?
[08:20] <deian> and use hda for media/
[08:20] <livingdaylight> guys, can you just advise me whether 20gb is enough for xp dualboot or can i just run xp from vmware?
[08:20] <deian> yes
[08:20] <_kuja_> deian, 5-10gig for root, some swap space dependent on how much RAM you have (if you have a lot of RAM you won't need much swap space), and the rest for home.
[08:20] <deian> 20gb is sufficient
[08:20] <deian> i have 2gb of ram to match my 2gb swap
[08:21] <intelikey> livingdaylight both are true.   20g is sufficent for xp and you can run xp in vmware
[08:21] <intelikey> deian i have no swap
[08:21] <livingdaylight> is vmware for running other os's what's the point of dualboot when you can run em in vmware
[08:21] <_kuja_> You'll probably never see the swap used with 2 gig of RAM, (mine's almost never used), but it's good to have it anyway
[08:21] <deian> i'm interested in your setup there intelikey
[08:21] <deian> no partition?
[08:21] <livingdaylight> intelikey: so, what is the better way to go, what is the difference?
[08:21] <deian> what file system do you use?
[08:22] <_kuja_> how fast is your computer deian?
[08:22] <deian> dell xps m1710
[08:22] <_kuja_> processor model/speed?
[08:22] <deian> intel dual core 2 2.00ghz
[08:22] <deian> Sysinfo for 'dellxps': Linux 2.6.17-10-generic running KDE 3.5.5, CPU: Intel(R)Core2CPUT7200@2.00GHz at 1000 MHz (3995 bogomips), , RAM: 1040/2026MB, 120 proc's, 7.11h up
[08:23] <intelikey> livingdaylight i would sujest a native install of both linux and M$ on different drives if possable, if not then on different partitions.     that would be imo the best setup for using both systems.
[08:23] <deian> nvidia ge force go 7900gtx 512mb
[08:23] <intelikey> deian ext2
[08:23] <_kuja_> I'd go with XFS for the filesystem, but you'll need a seperate partition for /boot. The /boot partition can be really small, 100MB or less.
[08:23] <deian> XFS will not be maintained anymore
[08:23] <deian> the guy that makes it is in trouble with the law apparently
[08:24] <_kuja_> XFS is fast, and it's stable.
[08:24] <deian> so that is stopped
[08:24] <Frederick> folks is there any dc++ package for ubuntu?
[08:24] <deian> or am i thinking about Reiser
[08:24] <_kuja_> No, the guys who made it went bankrupt.
[08:24] <intelikey> deian you're not talking about rieserfs are you ?
[08:24] <amohammed> i know it's silly , but how to disable single click behaviour ?
[08:24] <LordOllie> ok, now that I am up and running I used automatix to install JDK 5, could anyone tell me where it is?
[08:24] <deian> i may well be
[08:24] <Frederick> _kuja_: is that for me?
[08:24] <intelikey> the guy that wrote rieserfs is in jail
[08:24] <_kuja_> Is what for you?
[08:24] <deian> oh is he?
[08:25] <deian> what did he do wrong?
[08:25] <_kuja_> I didn't hear about that one.....
[08:25] <intelikey> accused of killing his wife iirc
[08:25] <deian> no way?
[08:25] <deian> thats not good
[08:25] <deian> so XFS
[08:25] <deian> i heard it's better for
[08:25] <deian> servers ans such
[08:26] <Frederick> _kuja_: I asked if there is any package with dc++ for ubuntu
[08:26] <intelikey> hasn't gone to trial yet     but a scan of news headlines will finsih that info.
[08:26] <_kuja_> If you have a reasonably fast computer, it's a really snappy filesystem.
[08:26] <_kuja_> I'll take a look around Frederick, I'm sure there are.
[08:26] <deian> my hdd is only 5400
[08:26] <amohammed> guys , i wanna change single click behaviour in kubuntu to double click
[08:26] <deian> if i went for the 7200 one i'd use XFS
[08:26] <deian> but i'm on ext 3 for now
[08:26] <livingdaylight> intelikey: do i mkae / primary then make extended and then /home; swap and then ntfs for xp?
[08:27] <mc__> XFS is really a great filesystem
[08:27] <intelikey> livingdaylight / doesn't even have to be primary
[08:27] <intelikey> or all can be...
[08:27] <_kuja_> XFS is worlds faster than ext3, unless you're running a really slow computer (Processor -wise)
[08:27] <mc__> but reiserfs is extreme fast when dealing with very small files
[08:27] <deian> anyway.... i'd like to ask about upstart
[08:27] <intelikey> your choice
[08:27] <mc__> smaller than 4k
[08:27] <livingdaylight> intelikey: but primary i can only make a max of 4
[08:28] <_kuja_> Currently upstart seems to only be emulating sysvinit
[08:28] <deian> it's going to replace it in the end right?
[08:28] <intelikey> livingdaylight yes.  1 xp 2 / 3 /home 4 /usr  extended 5 swap    ???
[08:28] <_kuja_> You can have every single partition be inside a logical partition and it wouldn't make any difference
[08:28] <_kuja_> deian, right
[08:28] <cpk1> so has dapper been getting any updates to apps like amarok?
[08:29] <cpk1> i noticed there is a 1.4.4 amarok on edgy but dapper still only has 1.4.3? =(
[08:29] <deian> isn't there a repo for amarok?
[08:29] <mc__> cpk1: nope,just security fixes
[08:29] <intelikey> main ?
[08:29] <cpk1> booo that means i will actually have to install things myself
[08:30] <livingdaylight> intelikey: do i make xp ntfs or fat32?
[08:30] <_kuja_> deian, it's in main, there's also another one at http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-latest
[08:30] <cpk1> and dunno if its relevant but i get back from vacation today and now http://kubuntu.org dapper/main Packages and sources is 404
[08:30] <deian> thats the one i meant
[08:31] <livingdaylight> what is best for xp /linux dualboot ntfs or fat32?
[08:31] <deian> ntfs
[08:31] <livingdaylight> thx
[08:31] <cpk1> err fat332 would be better i think
[08:31] <intelikey> cpk1  url with <space> in it ?
[08:31] <cpk1> but then you have smaller file size
[08:32] <_kuja_> Writing to ntfs can be troublesome business.
[08:32] <deian> no matter really
[08:32] <deian> anyone here like beryl?
[08:33] <_kuja_> I've not tried it ... I should
[08:33] <deian> it's good
[08:33] <deian> not just eye candy, quite some useful features on it
[08:33] <freqmod> it is good, but the svn is sometimes a bit buggy
[08:34] <deian> it's always buggy
[08:34] <deian> it works well here
[08:34] <deian> got 3d world and transparent desktop too
[08:34] <_kuja_> Frederick: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28378
[08:34] <cpk1> intelikey: eh? actually i see i dont have http://kubuntu.org dapper/main Packages but i do have deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-latest dapper main and one for koffice and kde and stuff
[08:35] <freqmod> btw. beryl uses 94% of my 3Ghz dual core pentium D when writing this in a transparent window on top of television
[08:35] <_kuja_> I'm assuming it's a seperate session and I can still have my lovely kwin at the end of the day right?
[08:35] <freqmod> 94% of one cpu
[08:35] <deian> something wrong there
[08:35] <_kuja_> Sounds like your graphics card isn't getting the job done to me.
[08:35] <deian> transaprent window is still new and experimental and so is the blur plugin
[08:36] <intelikey> cpk1 http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-latest  is not 404 for me.
[08:36] <amohammed> guys , how could i change single click behaviour to double click ?
[08:36] <_kuja_> the goal of AIGLX was to offload the window drawing work to the graphics card.
[08:36] <Admiral_Chicago> amohammed: system settings
[08:36] <intelikey> cpk1 you may need to sudo apt-get update
[08:36] <amohammed> where in sys steetings ?
[08:37] <_kuja_> Under  Mouse
[08:37] <cpk1> intelikey: thats what gives me the 404 =)
[08:37] <intelikey> and is it that url ?
[08:37] <Admiral_Chicago> amohammed: K menu
[08:37] <intelikey> how mostly odd
[08:37] <amohammed> thanks ! i thought it was from konquerer settings .. now i found it
[08:37] <cpk1> Err http://kubuntu.org dapper/main Packages 404 Not Found
[08:38] <cpk1> is what i get
[08:38] <Ayabara> isn't there a "lock screen" feature in kubuntu?
[08:38] <deian> yes
[08:38] <cpk1> but i get hit http://kubuntu.org dapper/main Packages a couple lines up =P
[08:39] <px> hi
[08:39] <livingdaylight> i've got here no root file system using kubuntu installer
[08:39] <_kuja_> http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-143 perhaps?
[08:39] <Admiral_Chicago> livingdaylight: edgy?
[08:39] <Ayabara> sorry, I found it under my nose...
[08:39] <livingdaylight> i used qparted in edgy, yes, Admiral_Chicago
[08:39] <cathal> just looking at the benifets to upgrade to edgy, it says it now automaticly configures laptop buttons. Is their a site to see what laptops are supported as this would be one of the only reasons to upgrade at the moment
[08:39] <intelikey> cpk1 hmmm   ooop your right  there is no dapper there now.   only an edgy
[08:40] <Admiral_Chicago> livingdaylight: might want to look in /.hidden
[08:40] <cpk1> argh those people have no feelings for us dapper folk =(
[08:40] <Ayabara> well. another question then :-) I installed kpowersave on my system. should I remove the default power manager? Is that the one called simply powersave?
[08:40] <livingdaylight> Admiral_Chicago: then i clicked on installer and selected manual installer and assigned mount points for the partitions, but i get the error no root file system, even though i've allocated / to sda1
[08:40] <cpk1> _kuja_: i have 1.4.3 but its not the newest =)
[08:40] <px> i can't conect with my wireless card. Detect the lan but dosen't conect
[08:40] <Admiral_Chicago> oh i see
[08:40] <_kuja_> qtparted = a nightmare
[08:40] <Admiral_Chicago> hold on give me a sec
[08:41] <Admiral_Chicago> livingdaylight: hmm i see what you mean, not sure how to help you though
[08:42] <intelikey> cpk1 i guess latest and LTS don't sound good togather or something ?
[08:42] <livingdaylight> Admiral_Chicago: should i find another way to partition and format?
[08:42] <cloakable> !upstart
[08:42] <ubotu> Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model.  For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[08:42] <livingdaylight> Anyone know about problems with kubuntu installer assigning mount points to partitions?
[08:42] <cpk1> intelikey: oh well i guess thats what i get for being lazy and stubborn and staying with dapper, i have to install things myself now
[08:42] <Admiral_Chicago> livingdaylight: what i do is just create an empty partition (not even create the filesystem) and write the installer there
[08:42] <Admiral_Chicago> write kubuntu there*
[08:43] <livingdaylight> Admiral_Chicago: hrm..i think i see
[08:43] <intelikey> cpk1 no.  just use the stable version.
[08:43] <Admiral_Chicago> and use the blank spaces, no mount point
[08:43] <livingdaylight> Admiral_Chicago: using qparted should i have assigned mount points to the partitions?
[08:43] <_kuja_> livingdaylights, the kubuntu installer is in an ugly state regarding the partitioning phase at the moment. The alternate cd is MUCH better in this respect.
[08:43] <Admiral_Chicago> no
[08:44] <Admiral_Chicago> empty space
[08:44] <livingdaylight> that is what i did
[08:44] <cpk1> intelikey: hmm? pretty sure amarok 1.4.4 is plenty stable, whats wrong with getting it from source?
[08:44] <livingdaylight> i left it for the installer part to assign mount points
[08:44] <Frederick> _kuja_: there is no linux defaul client?
[08:44] <intelikey> cpk1 why stick with LTS ?     if because it's stable, then why corrupt it with alpha/beta hand installed Krap ?
[08:44] <_kuja_> Frederick: I don't use it so I wouldn't know, but that's what I found ... google is my friend
[08:45] <intelikey> and you can install anything you want, it is after all your box.
[08:45] <Admiral_Chicago> okay when you use kubuntu installer use the "largest available free space" or something like that
[08:46] <livingdaylight> Admiral_Chicago: using qparted where it says label you leave that blank? thats what i did
[08:46] <Admiral_Chicago> yes
[08:46] <_kuja_> Use this for the amarok repository: http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-144 edgy main
[08:46] <_kuja_> I'm installing it now :)
[08:46] <livingdaylight> Admiral_Chicago: ok, i'll try using the option you suggest 'use largest free space' instead of manual option 3 as i have done
[08:46] <_kuja_> *almost forgot deb http....
[08:47] <cloakable> _kuja_: I use another repo with Creative support
[08:47] <_kuja_> ?Creative Support? Do tell cloakable.
[08:47] <livingdaylight> Admiral_Chicago: i just hope that when it takes largest available free space it takes the rifght space
[08:48] <Admiral_Chicago> well it won't take a partition that has a filesystem etc
[08:48] <cloakable> deb http://imbrandon.com/packages edgy amarok
[08:48] <cloakable> deb-src http://imbrandon.com/packages edgy amarok
[08:48] <cloakable> Those are thel ines :)
[08:48] <cloakable> *the lines
[08:49] <intelikey> cloakable but is there a dapper there ?
[08:49] <cloakable> intelikey: Yep
[08:50] <cloakable> And a feisty :)
[08:50] <_kuja_> Frederick: on second thought, there is a package dcgui that you might try
[08:50] <cloakable> wget http://www.imbrandon.com/packages/887D9FD2.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -
[08:50] <_kuja_> cloakable, what is "Creative Support" though?
[08:50] <cloakable> To get the key
[08:51] <cloakable> _kuja_: Creative Nomad MP3 player
[08:51] <_kuja_> Seeing as I don't have one, I'm not bothered by Riddel's packages then ...
[08:51] <cloakable> The Ubuntu packages don't support them
[08:54] <_kuja_> I'm still stuck in the world of cds anyway .... or oggs after I'm done ripping them, anyhow
[08:54] <intelikey> ogg  :)
[08:54] <cloakable> MP3 here ^^
[08:55] <snowice> is anybody able to use webcam with kopete?
[08:55] <intelikey> propritary junk
[08:55] <livingdaylight> in teh section preparing mount points 'step 5 of 6' it puts my partitions in the order of sda1; sda3; and sda2
[08:55] <cloakable> Heh
[08:55] <intelikey> ogg is free
[08:55] <snowice> flac here :-)
[08:56] <cloakable> snowice: I wince for your hard drive :D
[08:56] <intelikey> livingdaylight order doesn't matter mountpoint and whether or not to format
[08:56] <snowice> 300GB, plenty of space
[08:56] <_kuja_> I've got the space to use FLAC, but the sense not to...
[08:57] <cloakable> I have 36GB :(
[08:57] <intelikey> i dont' have the space so maybe i should try it....
[08:57] <intelikey> :)_
[08:57] <livingdaylight> intelikey: oh.. coz i don't want them to be in the wrong order
[08:57] <livingdaylight> intelikey: as a habit i do / first then /home and then swap
[08:57] <LordOllie> ok, so now my wireless is working :)
[08:58] <intelikey> livingdaylight the order that they are listed there does NOT matter.
[08:58] <_kuja_> If I remember it took longer to encode with lossless formats too, then again, that was a while back that I played with that.
[08:59] <snowice> no complaints on that, encoding is pretty fast
[08:59] <livingdaylight> kubuntu installing
[08:59] <livingdaylight> KUBUNTU HERE I KOME!
[09:00] <snowice> it's only about twice the size of a 320bit mp3
[09:00] <livingdaylight> the environment where everything has a K in front of it
[09:00] <_kuja_> Brand recognition :)
[09:00] <snowice> livingdaylight, go for it, man!
[09:00] <livingdaylight> snowice: i'm Koing for it!
[09:01] <snowice> that's the spirit!!
[09:01] <livingdaylight> thats the Kspirit
[09:01] <_kuja_> I use Q6 ogg for everything, I almost started using FLAC a while back, but I couldn't tell the difference so I didn't.
[09:01] <livingdaylight> Everything with KKK
[09:01] <jpatrick> linuxwizard: that last one was so bad
[09:01] <LordOllie> wow, that was easier then everyone made it out to be, thanks guys :)
[09:01] <livingdaylight> can we use easyubuntu in kubuntu too?
[09:02] <_kuja_> Probably
[09:02] <intelikey> !easyubuntu
[09:02] <jpatrick> livingdaylight: yes
[09:02] <ubotu> easyubuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ - For help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu
[09:02] <cloakable> !ubotu
[09:03] <livingdaylight> is there a clear winner now that has emerged from Easyubuntu Automatix and Bumps?
[09:03] <intelikey> !bot
[09:03] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[09:03] <intelikey> !Automatix
[09:03] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[09:03] <intelikey> !install
[09:03] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[09:03] <intelikey> !WorksForMe
[09:03] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[09:04] <intelikey> !EasySource
[09:04] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[09:06] <Weltallpuma> Theinfinity> bist du noch da????
[09:07] <mkaster> hello, I need some help uninstalling kubuntu from one of my computers
[09:07] <intelikey> "The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability."    hehhe  "The latest version of ANTthing is _hardly ever_ useful if you aim for stability."
[09:07] <livingdaylight> hoary hedghog is stable?
[09:07] <intelikey> !uninstall
[09:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about uninstall - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:08] <cloakable> intelikey: What about the latest version of 'Hello World'? :P
[09:08] <intelikey> livingdaylight edgy is not the latest.
[09:08] <_kuja_> uninstalling? well,  Well, mkaster, just delete the partitions, simple as that
[09:08] <livingdaylight> intelikey: what?!
[09:08] <mkaster> is there a partition manager I can get to in the live cd?
[09:08] <TheGateKeeper> mkaster, as in leaving ubuntu or as in totally replacing the OS
[09:08] <intelikey> _kuja_ what about grub. ^
[09:08] <livingdaylight> intelikey: please dod not tell me you are using Feisty
[09:08] <TheGateKeeper> mkaster, yes gparted
[09:09] <_kuja_> I reckon you could fix that with [insert operating system of choice] 's installation/rescue disk
[09:09] <TheGateKeeper> probable others too
[09:09] <mkaster> well i have kubuntu on another computer and thats all i need, i need to use my hard drives in the computer im uninstalling from for an archive of files
[09:09] <intelikey> livingdaylight no i'm using the LTS release  but you at least know what latest means...
[09:10] <_kuja_> In that case, just pop in a live cd, open up qtparted, and delete all the partitions
[09:10] <_kuja_> Create a new one with your favourite filesystem.
[09:10] <livingdaylight> intelikey: you using Dapper?
[09:10] <intelikey> it's the lts.
[09:10] <mkaster> what menu is qtparted under?
[09:11] <_kuja_> system, I'd imagine
[09:11] <intelikey> mkaster is it qt or g ?
[09:11] <mkaster> i have windows on my main hard drive, will i be able to boot into that after formatting all other hard drives?
[09:11] <mkaster> and i dont know if it is qt or g
[09:11] <mkaster> im a noob as they say
[09:12] <TheGateKeeper> mkaster, that menu lol http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[09:12] <cloakable> !livecd
[09:12] <ubotu> Ubuntu Dapper 'Desktop' CD contains a Live CD (Ubuntu that runs straight off the CD and RAM) with an install option. Breezy's Live CD contained no install.
[09:12] <cloakable> !Edgy
[09:12] <livingdaylight> intelikey: i fall prey to Peer pressure
[09:12] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.10 (codenamed Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. To upgrade to Edgy, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades - To download Edgy: http://www.ubuntu.com/download
[09:12] <cloakable> !Feisty
[09:12] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is pre-alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[09:12] <intelikey> mkaster open a terminal and type  gparted    or  qtparted     which ever comes up.
[09:13] <intelikey> livingdaylight most do.   that doesn't make it good.
[09:13] <mkaster> qtparted is in the system menu
[09:13] <Ranbee> hi, my friend has been using knoppix and likes it, i was going to tell him to try out mepis, but i wanted to ask if there are any/many advanages to using kubuntu instead. can any tell me what they think, please?
[09:13] <intelikey> k it is qt   didn't remember for sure.
[09:14] <intelikey> Ranbee for an install  or a live CD   ?
[09:14] <mkaster> the swap partiton is still mounted
[09:14] <mkaster> how do i unmount so i can delete it?
[09:14] <intelikey> sudo swapoff -a
[09:14] <Ranbee> intelikey: livecd, then if he likes it an install
[09:15] <TheGateKeeper> Ranbee, mepis is one of those distros where everything is preinstalled that you would generally want
[09:15] <intelikey> knoppix for the live.    debian stable for the install.
[09:15] <Ranbee> thanks TheGateKeeper. does mepis come as a livecd?
[09:15] <intelikey> you ask what we thought ...
[09:16] <icheyne> Ranbee: yes
[09:16] <mkaster> i cant delete the main linux partition now either
[09:16] <mkaster> how do i unmount that too?
[09:16] <TheGateKeeper> Ranbee, where (k)ubuntu scores is in the backup & like irc channels & friendly forums, the size of the community
[09:16] <TheGateKeeper> Ranbee, yes
[09:16] <mkaster> it is hdb
[09:17] <intelikey> mkaster sudo umount /media/*
[09:17] <Ranbee> ok, thanks. icheyne TheGateKeeper that's what i was thinking, the k/ubuntu support is very good
[09:17] <intelikey> mkaster hdb is not a partition.  it's a disk.
[09:17] <TheGateKeeper> Ranbee, You might find this usefull http://za1012001.googlepages.com/
[09:18] <icheyne> Ranbee: Mepis also has dodgy repositories
[09:18] <intelikey> mkaster hdb1 would be a partition
[09:18] <icheyne> Ranbee: very unreliable repositories
[09:18] <guiden> what's the name of this server?
[09:18] <mkaster> it says /media/* not found
[09:19] <berkes> bhah. is it only me who hates the way Gimp makes you hunt dialogs and toolboxes all over the virtual desktops?
[09:19] <Ranbee> so really he can get kubuntu, then just get the media stuff working, then kubuntu would be the one to pick
[09:19] <intelikey> mkaster so  sudo umount /dev/hdb*     then
[09:19] <Ranbee> guiden: this is freenode
[09:20] <TheGateKeeper> Ranbee, are you looking for a distro that works 'out of the box' ?
[09:20] <intelikey> /server
[09:20] <mkaster> it said it is not mounted
[09:21] <mkaster> but i still cant delete the partition
[09:21] <sampo-> How I can delete files from USB-flash? I today buy Kingston's flash and there is somekind "password protection" system.
[09:21] <intelikey> mkaster type  mount     and see what is mounted.
[09:22] <Ranbee> TheGateKeeper: just looking for a good first distro, i can help getting the basics working, but i want something which he'll want to use
[09:22] <_kuja_> Umm, if you have a swap partition on the drive you're trying to delete partitions from, it can cause trouble, you should pass the noswap option to the kernel when booting the livecd
[09:22] <Ranbee> something similar to knoppix, which he likes
[09:22] <guiden> Ranbee how can I get here if I connect to this server irc.ubuntu.com
[09:22] <_kuja_> or use swapoff
[09:22] <mkaster> none of my disks are mounted
[09:22] <guiden> Not that if I don't like it, It's great
[09:23] <_kuja_> it often mounts the swap anyway, if you have one, it will use it.
[09:23] <TheGateKeeper> Ranbee, (k)ubuntu is a good first distro, not ecerything is installed by default, but most stuff is relatively easy to install
[09:23] <intelikey> sampo- mounted as root and you as user trying to rm files....     sudo mount -o remount,umask=000 /media/<where_ever_it_is>
[09:23] <TheGateKeeper> Ranbee, however it does have 2 downsides that you need to know about...
[09:23] <mkaster> i deleted the swap partition and commited changes
[09:23] <intelikey> man mount for details
[09:24] <mkaster> do u want the details here?
[09:24] <intelikey> mkaster that wasn't for you.
[09:24] <mkaster> oh
[09:24] <Ranbee> TheGateKeeper: i think we'll go with kubuntu. i asked about mepis in their channel and no one has replied. no one has said anything to anyone :|
[09:25] <intelikey> mkaster i would sujest you do a sudo cfdisk /dev/hdb     and see what you got.
[09:25] <Ranbee> guiden: maybe redirected??
[09:25] <TheGateKeeper> Ranbee, First it's a fairly slow distro (not optimised for i686) secondly they have a 6 monthly upgrade cycle, & upgrading to the next version is not always straight forward
[09:25] <chupa-chups> hi all
[09:25] <chupa-chups> i just wanna ask about how to play avi files
[09:26] <guiden> but I want to get here directly, is it irc.freenode.net then?
[09:26] <mkaster> ok i used the cfdisk to delete the partition
[09:26] <Ranbee> TheGateKeeper: maybe the dapper version will do then, so he doesn't have to update. although after 6 months, he'll know how he feels about kubuntu :)
[09:26] <mkaster> will i be able to boot into windows when i restart?
[09:26] <kharloss> hi there. i try setup a fresh kubuntu intallation. everything it`s fine but my pcmcia network card isn`t recognized .  any solution ?
[09:27] <chupa-chups> i just wanna ask about how to play avi files
[09:27] <TheGateKeeper> Ranbee, ok, kanotix is another possibility too :-)
[09:27] <guiden_> hello
[09:27] <guiden> haha
[09:27] <Ranbee> chupa-chups: there's a whole page on the ubuntu wiki about restricted formats
[09:27] <TheGateKeeper> Ranbee, good luck :-)
[09:27] <Ranbee> TheGateKeeper: thanks :)
[09:27] <chupa-chups> but all clips i have are avi files
[09:28] <livingdaylight> whats wrong with kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list?
[09:28] <TheGateKeeper> Ranbee, yw :-)
[09:28] <_kuja_> livingdaylight, should be nothing wrong with that
[09:28] <chupa-chups> and asf movies , they doesnt need to be played
[09:28] <livingdaylight> _kuja_: not working here
[09:28] <_kuja_> what does it say/do?
[09:29] <livingdaylight> !paste
[09:29] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:29] <livingdaylight> _kuja_: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34626/
[09:29] <mkaster> i rebooted but grub is still there and it says error 21
[09:30] <_kuja_> the messages it printed out are unrelated livingdaylight
[09:31] <cloakable> Zeroconf problem?
[09:31] <_kuja_> There are wacom related devices in your xorg.conf file that you don't have...... I think they're in there to better support tablet pcs or something of that nature.
[09:31] <cloakable> An error occurred while loading zeroconf:/:
[09:31] <cloakable> The Zeroconf daemon (mdnsd) is not running.
[09:31] <livingdaylight> _kuja_: well, that is what i get when i do the command
[09:31] <_kuja_> did the kate window come up?
[09:31] <livingdaylight> no
[09:31] <livingdaylight> i got the error messzage didn't i?
[09:32] <_kuja_> That's an unrelated message, it'll give that to you every time
[09:32] <_kuja_> Try the thing again, I bet it's a kdesu problem.
[09:32] <_kuja_> kdesu doesn't work reliably, it only comes up about half the time for me :(
[09:33] <mkaster> how do i remove grub?
[09:33] <_kuja_> From the drive?
[09:33] <mkaster> yes
[09:34] <intelikey> you install an MBR
[09:34] <mkaster> it is still on my computer even though I repartitioned the linux drive
[09:34] <intelikey> !mbr
[09:34] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[09:34] <bLaZeD> !firewall
[09:34] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[09:34] <kharloss> hi there. i try setup a fresh kubuntu intallation. everything it`s fine but my pcmcia network card isn`t recognized .  any solution ?
[09:35] <mkaster> my only computer that has a floppy drive or cd burner is the computer im trying to remove grub from
[09:35] <mkaster> my laptop has neither of those
[09:35] <_kuja_> Hmm,  I'm not sure mkaster
[09:35] <intelikey> mkaster you boot M$ and install an mbr
[09:36] <mkaster> how do i do that?
[09:37] <intelikey> i don't do windows.   but old dos was fdisk /mbr   new xp it's something like fixmbr
[09:37] <mkaster> but how do i get into windows to do that?
[09:37] <mkaster> it keeps telling me Grub loading... error 21
[09:37] <mkaster> every time i boot now
[09:38] <intelikey> window boot/recovery disk
[09:38] <mkaster> i dont have one O.o
[09:38] <mkaster> where can i obtain one?
[09:38] <intelikey> google bootdisk
[09:39] <_kuja_> Either t hat, or pester the person you bought the computer from to give you the disks they should have given you to begin with.
[09:39] <intelikey> _kuja_ that would be the "propper" way yes.
[09:39] <mkaster> lol yeah but it was a church sale and i got the server cheap for 75 dollars
[09:40] <_kuja_> Not a bad price
[09:40] <intelikey> they are people too.
[09:41] <_kuja_> If you know anyone with a windows install disk, you can use it to do the recovery, it doesn't strictly have to be your disk.
[09:41] <mkaster> if i used the windows installation cd do u think theres a recovery mode?
[09:41] <_kuja_> I know there is a recovery mode, and that's what you want to use.
[09:42] <mkaster> lol ok then i have a xp sp1 install disk but my xp is sp2
[09:42] <intelikey> the mbr doesn't care what version
[09:42] <mkaster> ok so fixmbr?
[09:43] <_kuja_> I don't recall what the recovery mode does exactly, or what it looks like, I've not done an xp install since ....... crap, that was a while back
[09:44] <_kuja_> and even then, it was only a vmware windows install..... first real one would have been years ago
[09:44] <mkaster> i tried automated recovery mode but it asked for a floppy
[09:44] <mkaster> that was the only recover mode
[09:44] <_kuja_> uggh, do you have a floppy, or what floppy did it want?
[09:45] <mkaster> it wanted the automated rovery floppy
[09:45] <mkaster> recovery*
[09:45] <_kuja_> Ah, yes, the one you didn't make >.>
[09:46] <chupa-chups> i just wanna ask about how to play avi files
[09:46] <mkaster> yay! theres a recovery mode inside the installation
[09:46] <mkaster> new mbr written :)
[09:46] <_kuja_> Ah, there we go then
[09:47] <_kuja_> chupa-chups, I have no trouble playing avi files in Kaffeine, do you?
[09:47] <chupa-chups> hello
[09:47] <chupa-chups> i have
[09:47] <mkaster> yay!
[09:47] <mkaster> ty guys
[09:48] <chupa-chups> i have many movies avi thy are all doesnt be played in any program
[09:48] <_kuja_> AVI is just a container format really ... there are a plethora of codecs that one can use to encode the video, and a handful to encode the audio with as well.
[09:49] <cloakable> I'm having problems with Zeroconf on KDE?
[09:49] <cloakable> Kubuntu 6.10
[09:49] <chupa-chups> gr8 but how can i deal with them ?????
[09:49] <BluesKaj> devede26 is the best at converting video codecs to mpeg , so far in my experience
[09:49] <_kuja_> chupa-chups, try installing libxine-extracodecs
[09:50] <icheyne> !avi | chupa-chups
[09:50] <ubotu> chupa-chups: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:50] <chupa-chups> apt get install??
[09:50] <_kuja_> Right
[09:51] <cloakable> Zeroconf help?
[09:53] <intelikey> i wosh i knew a way to tell get-apt not to fetch one dependancy for a package and yet install the package......
[09:55] <intelikey> it seemeth unreasonable to me, that gdm should have to fetch over 3.5m of ubuntu-sounds      i dont' even want login sounds.
[09:56] <intelikey> that makes it a 30 minute dl   just to install gdm
[09:56] <delight> does someone know in which deb-package the libkonsolepart.so is included ?
[09:56] <elias_> kfmclient openProfile "Kubuntu File Manager" == Profile Kubuntu File Manager not found??
[09:59] <intelikey> delight grep -Re'libkonsolepart.so' /var/lib/dpkg/info
[10:00] <intelikey> filter as you like.
[10:00] <mo6> hello
[10:01] <mo6> I try to setup my mail account in Kontact
[10:01] <delight> intelikey ... thnx a lot ... somehow it must be korrupt ... yakuake, konsole, and even terminal-emulator in konqueror is crashin ... with a note to libkonsolepart.so ... hope I will be able to reinstall
[10:01] <mo6> but when I try to add a pop-account he only asks me the acountname, username, pwd and the servername
[10:02] <mo6> normally I need to fill in an incoming server and also an outgoing riight?
[10:02] <mo6> I don't get it
[10:02] <mo6> is it the program that sucks or is it me
[10:02] <mo6> nothing works properly for now on
[10:03] <mo6> he also doen't ask for the e-mailadres
[10:03] <mo6> I'm used to work with windows soo, I'm still a noob in linux
[10:03] <mo6> help me plzz
[10:03] <intelikey> mo6 mail.   but smtp.  is another step iirc
[10:04] <intelikey> e-mailadres = " username," ^
[10:05] <intelikey> i am 20 minutes more of this worthless download then i'll stop lagging.
[10:08] <mo6> oww sry
[10:08] <mo6> I found it
[10:08] <mo6> I found a tab-page for outgoing mail
[10:08] <mo6> sry for the stupid question
[10:08] <ScarFreewill> i want to download a tar.bz2 but when i put the link into konqueror it tries to open it how to i make it save it insted of opening it?
[10:09] <cpk1> use wget?
[10:09] <ScarFreewill> cpk1, @ me?
[10:10] <cpk1> ScarFreewill: yup
[10:10] <ScarFreewill> cpk1, i put the link in konqueror
[10:11] <cpk1> ScarFreewill: i know.
[10:11] <intelikey> ScarFreewill or let it open it then save as
[10:11] <ScarFreewill> intelikey, what if it is a big file... or a bin file that i can't resave?
[10:12] <intelikey> ScarFreewill you can set a mime type for that file extention if you like.
[10:12] <intelikey> can't resave ?
[10:12] <ScarFreewill> intelikey, what would that do?
[10:12] <cpk1> cant you just use wget?
[10:12] <intelikey> what you talking about willis ?
[10:13] <ScarFreewill> cpk1, i can just use kget if i want but i want to know how to resolve this,,
[10:13] <intelikey> cpk1 course he could.
[10:13] <ScarFreewill> intelikey, what is willis?
[10:14] <intelikey> ScarFreewill mime type.   that tells the system what to do with that "kind" of file.
[10:14] <ScarFreewill> intelikey, "or a bin file that i can't resave" ok thats just a bad example...
[10:14] <intelikey> open with ark
[10:14] <ScarFreewill> intelikey, ok, but would it make my brouser not to try and open it?
[10:15] <cloakable> !zeroconf
[10:15] <ubotu> zeroconf: IPv4 link-local address allocator. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 40 kB, installed size 132 kB
[10:15] <BlueEagle> Ok, I got a weird issue here. I'm running Kate over a ssh X-tunnel and when I start it now I suddenly get the error "kio (KMimeType): WARNING: KServiceType::offers : servicetype ThumbCreator not found" and all I get is a blank window. So I go on to install kdebase-kio-plugins and that gets rid of the error but I am still getting a blank window. Now when I close it I get "QObject::disconnect: Unexpected null parameter" and "QFile::open:
[10:17] <ScarFreewill> ok here is a link http://osdn.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/todoom/wrogue-0.7.1.tar.bz2 if i pop it in konqueror it wants to open it via arc, but i want it to ask be do you want to open with $app or save (the menu it gives with most other mime tipes) how is this possable?
[10:18] <guiden> my computer freezes and goes black, and I have to restart it with the button everytime I play a 3D game, what's the problem?
[10:18] <MrBallZ> hi, what's the best method to upgrade from 6.06 to 6.10 ... and is it advisable to do it ? ... since there were lot of problems for some people ?
[10:19] <nagyv> is here anyone using remotej?
[10:19] <intelikey> ScarFreewill check the setup of the other mime types and mime them.... :)
[10:19] <ScarFreewill> guiden, does it freeze intsantly?
[10:19] <BlueEagle> guiden: Erroneous driver, Malconfigured X-server, Bugged game, Incompatible emulation, bad luck. Impossible to tell w/o further information.
[10:20] <ScarFreewill> intelikey, where?
[10:20] <intelikey> !upgrade | MrBallZ
[10:20] <ubotu> MrBallZ: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[10:20] <MrBallZ> intelikey: thnx
[10:21] <quartzy> ScarFreewill: you could just drop the url into kget in order to download it, but you would have to change the default action to make it so konqueror handle's if differently I would imagine
[10:21] <intelikey> ScarFreewill where you set that one. i would assume
[10:22] <BlueEagle> guiden: Relevant information would be the output from lspci and your xorg.conf file along with the game(s) in question. The output from glxinfo or fglrxinfo might be helpful. Also there might be useful clues in the log from your X-server.
[10:22] <guiden> ScarFreewill: I can play for example, crack-attack, for like 2 seconds, then it goes black, like as the 3d card got overheater
[10:22] <BlueEagle> !paste
[10:22] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:22] <guiden> heated
[10:22] <intelikey> BlueEagle i doubt that "bad luck" would be a repetable process....
[10:22] <BlueEagle> guiden: Does glxgears or fglrx_gears run?
[10:22] <ScarFreewill> quartzy, i know but i just want to know how to set to so it work with konqueror
[10:23] <ScarFreewill> intelikey, what is "that one"
[10:23] <BlueEagle> intelikey: It would be bad luck if the graphics card has got a weird fault that only manifests itself in his card...
[10:23] <guiden> guiden@guiden-desktop:~$ fgl_glxgears
[10:23] <guiden> Using GLX_SGIX_pbuffer
[10:23] <guiden> 3558 frames in 5.0 seconds = 711.600 FPS
[10:23] <guiden> 3764 frames in 5.0 seconds = 752.800 FPS
[10:23] <guiden> 3763 frames in 5.0 seconds = 752.600 FPS
[10:23] <guiden> 4017 frames in 5.0 seconds = 803.400 FPS
[10:24] <guiden> yes it works very good
[10:24] <guiden> how great is my fps? normal?
[10:24] <intelikey> ScarFreewill i'm lagging so bad, it's impossable to sound cohearent    or spell it.. :)
[10:24] <ScarFreewill> guiden do you possably have another pc that you can test you hardware in to make sure it is not hardware realated?
[10:25] <guiden> I only have  laptop
[10:25] <quartzy> ScarFreewill: the association is in: Control Centre -> Kde Components -> File Associations and search for tar.bz
[10:25] <guiden> and this one
[10:25] <guiden> station
[10:25] <ScarFreewill> guiden, glxgears is not a benchbark,,,
[10:25] <guiden> ok
[10:25] <quartzy> my konq had the same problem as yours and the associations seems to be telling it to give me the option to save
[10:25] <ScarFreewill> quartzy, thx a lot
[10:25] <quartzy> which is weird
[10:26] <ScarFreewill> guiden, ati?
[10:26] <guiden> yes
[10:27] <guiden> ati radeon 9800 pro
[10:27] <intelikey> ok i now have a blank  ubuntu-sounds  installed  hehhe   lag time is finished   where were we ?
[10:27] <fyrmedic> What app can I use to open binaries
[10:27] <fyrmedic> ?
[10:28] <intelikey> fyrmedic what do you mean open them ?
[10:28] <ScarFreewill> guiden, (sweet my friend had the se and hardmoded it to pro and sold it to my brother); do you use normal deb drivers or what...
[10:28] <astroman> can anyone help me with a bash command ???
[10:28] <fyrmedic> intelikey: for editing and such
[10:28] <ScarFreewill> fyrmedic, kate can open...
[10:28] <humbolt> why is it that KDE is so incredibly slow in kubuntu?
[10:28] <quartzy> astroman: that would depend on the command, so ask?
[10:28] <humbolt> What can I do to make it faster?
[10:29] <guiden> I've followed a guide to enable the 3d acc thing
[10:29] <humbolt> Windows are rendered very slowly!
[10:29] <intelikey> any hex editor i guess   vi in bin/hex mode
[10:29] <astroman> tr ???
[10:29] <ScarFreewill> guiden, ubuntu guide?
[10:29] <fyrmedic> ScarFreewill; I tried and it wouldn't work. It came out as garbled characters
[10:29] <guiden> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[10:29] <guiden> that one
[10:29] <humbolt> When I switch windows, it takes for ever until they are rendered!
[10:29] <ScarFreewill> ok
[10:30] <astroman> i want to change 12-15-12 -500 to 12:15:10 -0500
[10:30] <quartzy> astroman: what are you using tr for?
[10:30] <humbolt> I want to switch back from ubuntu to kubuntu but I don't know how it got so slow!
[10:30] <ScarFreewill> fyrmedic, is it encripted?
[10:30] <astroman> i think it's the best choice no ??
[10:30] <fyrmedic> ScarFreewill; I don't know but I suppose it could be.
[10:30] <BlueEagle> The issue was resolved by restarting the local X-server.
[10:30] <intelikey> humbolt it's that slow computer you have.  you need a good fast one like this p1mmx 100mhz box with 64m ram    kde works ok here   :)
[10:31] <quartzy> astroman: what are you trying to do?
[10:31] <humbolt> when I manage to use beryl everything is much faster
[10:31] <intelikey> humbolt look for somethin hogging cpu use   top
[10:31] <astroman> quartzy : i want to change 12-15-12 -500 to 12:15:10 -0500
[10:31] <humbolt> I have a recent centrino with 1.5 gig of ram!
[10:31] <humbolt> Xgl
[10:31] <guiden> everything gets black, it's like the card just stop worked. but i dont get NO SIGNAL ON CABLE as It would if I unplugg the cable from the card
[10:31] <astroman> quartzy : with tr i change all the "-"
[10:31] <fyrmedic> ScarFreewill; I am reasonably certain the program I am interested in seeing is a worm/virus targeted at windows users by Nigerians or something.
[10:32] <humbolt> Xgl seems to use up all CPU
[10:32] <BlueEagle> guiden: And the card in question is a?
[10:32] <intelikey> quartzy man tr
[10:32] <humbolt> while I don't have that problem in gnome
[10:32] <astroman> quartzy : but i dont want to change the last one
[10:32] <ScarFreewill> fyrmedic, you can't open any file if it is encripted then it would usualy open that way what extension does the file have that you want to open?
[10:32] <guiden> ati radeon 9800 pro
[10:32] <intelikey> humbolt run top and see what is eating cpu time
[10:32] <guiden> it's when I play 3D game
[10:32] <fyrmedic> ScarFreewill; .exe
[10:32] <humbolt> intelikey: Xgl!
[10:33] <humbolt> but I am not running beryl currently
[10:33] <intelikey> then dump xgl
[10:33] <humbolt> and Xgl with and without beryl runs fine on gnome
[10:33] <ScarFreewill> fyrmedic, well you can run it in linux...
[10:33] <quartzy> xgl without running beryl has alwasy been terrible for me
[10:33] <nuku> fyrmedic: you can try "ht" or install wine and use the free editon of IDA pro..
[10:33] <ScarFreewill> fyrmedic, but you can't just open it and see its src
[10:34] <quartzy> astroman: i dont actually know sorry, have you read the man page?
[10:34] <fyrmedic> ScarFreewill; ok thanks was just curious how I go about seeing the source code of it.
[10:34] <intelikey> if you have things eating up cpu and you want to speed theings up  you stop/kill/unload what ever is eating the cpu-time   it's as simple as that.  you don't say   "oh my '<app-here>' is slow the app must be bad." you find out why and fix it.
[10:35] <astroman> quartzy : yes but i dont know what to do if i want to change couple of - but not all !! thx anyway
[10:35] <humbolt> now when beryl is running everyting runs smoothly
[10:35] <ScarFreewill> fyrmedic, if you meet some uber clever guy he can maybe de/reverse-compile it for you :P
[10:35] <humbolt> except for the adept-update manager icon, which is in the top-left corner
[10:35] <nuku> fyrmedic: ida pro will give you a deep insight what an executable does... ht provides some fair disassembling capabilites :)
[10:36] <ScarFreewill> fyrmedic, i know how to do it with java apps but exe, and native bins... :(
[10:37] <ScarFreewill> guiden, there is over a milion possable resons that your pc freezes but seeing that ur on a lapy ... you can't just pug ur gfx card in another pc...
[10:38] <ScarFreewill> guiden, is this the first os you have loaded on the pc?
[10:39] <humbolt> can I replace kwin with beryl in /usr/bin/startkde
[10:39] <humbolt> ?
[10:41] <ScarFreewill> humbolt, are you trying to get back from beryl to kwin?
[10:42] <scion> hello all
[10:42] <ScarFreewill> humbolt, can't you just right click the beryl icon in the taskbar and tell it to use kwin?
[10:42] <againstme> is it hard to change the adept program to install via internet instead of installer dvd?
[10:42] <ScarFreewill> scion, hi :)
[10:42] <quartzy> againstme: edit your sources.list and comment out the dvd entries
[10:42] <intelikey> ScarFreewill i think you have that backwards ^
[10:43] <MidMark> againstme: or better open adept, manage repo, and disable dvd
[10:43] <ScarFreewill> intelikey, the kwin thingy..
[10:43] <deian> guys... have u seen this article? http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/54436.html
[10:43] <againstme> im converting from mac so im really new to liux
[10:43] <deian> Ubuntu Creator Urges Abandonment of OpenSuse
[10:44] <intelikey> ScarFreewill yeah
[10:44] <ScarFreewill> deian, i heard something about novelsoft and m$...
[10:44] <scion> well mac is pretty much BSD so i'm sure you'll be fine!
[10:44] <trappist> deian: #kubuntu-offtopic please
[10:44] <intelikey> ScarFreewill it seems he's wanting beryl to run
[10:44] <deian> it's not off topic is it?
[10:44] <againstme> im turning on my linux ibook right now to figure out that adept deal
[10:44] <trappist> deian: this is a support channel
[10:44] <deian> oh
[10:44] <deian> ok
[10:45] <BluesKaj> Someonr here says Mark Shuttleworth is a billionaire ... really now :)
[10:45] <intelikey> i wonder why kde shows the utc time ?
[10:46] <intelikey> cat /etc/timezone  yelds   US/Central
[10:46] <BluesKaj> a brit developer ?
[10:46] <intelikey> what does kde read ?
[10:46] <BluesKaj> I changed mine to am pm
[10:47] <trappist> intelikey: mine says America/Chicago
[10:47] <againstme> im in the adept manage repositories, how do i disable DVD?
[10:47] <intelikey> trappist but your kde does read it as that does it not ?
 againstme: or better open adept, manage repo, and disable dvd
[10:48] <trappist> intelikey: it shows the time correctly - not sure where it gets the tz though
[10:48] <againstme> im in there, but how do i disable dvd?
[10:48] <intelikey> mine reads the trc as is  displays GMT
[10:49] <intelikey> oh well it's no THANG to me.  i'll just rm it from the pannel
[10:49] <intelikey> problem solved
[10:49] <intelikey> gdm is hard coded to use tty7   that's totally unacceptable to me.
[10:50] <ScarFreewill> quartzy, ping
[10:50] <quartzy> againstme: if you have gone to adept -> manage repos there will be a list of things, some are black (currently in) and others comments out. You need to find the ones that reads differently to the others it wont have http://somewebaddr.com
[10:50] <trappist> intelikey: you can adjust it from Adjust Date & Time
[10:50] <scion> set up your timezone!
[10:51] <ScarFreewill> quartzy, sorry but where is "Control Centre"
[10:51] <quartzy> ScarFreewill: lol it is good point, add the applet "Settings Menu" to kicker
[10:52] <ScarFreewill> quartzy, ok
[10:53] <guiden> ScarFreewill no, I've used it for many os's. Btw my other computer was a laptop, this is a tower.
[10:53] <ScarFreewill> quartzy, I added "Settings" that was the only one there
[10:53] <againstme> ok. i found one that does not have the http:// in the comments
[10:54] <quartzy> ScarFreewill:  click on that at the very top it should say control center
[10:55] <guiden> ScarFreewill: It froze before too, it didn't go black, I could see the screen and move the mouse, but only horizontally, and everything else was wierd. But then I checked the card, and I saw alot of dust in the fan, I removed it and then it worked, now I'm getting these problems
[10:55] <j_> I get these in my log: "kernel	[17201038.104000]  eth0: Oversized Ethernet frame spanned multiple buffers, entry 0x6 length 0 status 00000600!"
[10:55] <ScarFreewill> guiden, so if you have only ran linux on it, i don't really know much commands like glxinfo and stuff like that to test your gl, but it seems that nothing is wronge with the soft where ... just note SEEMS
[10:56] <j_> apparently it's an old bug with VIA Ethernet card drivers
[10:56] <j_> anyone managed to fix it?
[10:57] <j_> also, I need a good audio player
[10:57] <j_> xmms crashes a lot
[10:57] <j_> and I haven't figured out Beep skins
[10:57] <j_> need a bigger skin and bigger fonts
[10:57] <againstme> sorry guys, im very new. once i find the one that doesnt have the http in the respo., how do i get rid of it?
[10:57] <webben> does kde use a different DPI from gnome by default
[10:57] <j_> than xmms or Beep
[10:59] <quartzy> againstme: right click on it and select disable or remove
[10:59] <quartzy> when you have done the ones you want make sure you click apply
[10:59] <againstme> ok. ill try again, but my cntl click wouldnt bring up a menu.(im on mac, no right click)
[11:00] <ScarFreewill> guiden, in the past i have had 3 pcs that gave me gfx problems with ati cards so i would say its still very possable (even though ur opengl is setup correctly or so it seems) that is software realated
[11:00] <quartzy> hmm i wouldn't know how to do it on a mac
[11:00] <againstme> its the ppc version
[11:01] <intelikey> anyone know where the setting is that makes gdm use tty7 ?
[11:02] <lzap> hi I am upgrading Dapper-Edgy and the apt-get -u dist-upgrade process failed: /var/cache/apt/archives/anjuta_2.0.2-2ubuntu1_i386.debE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) -- I cannot either remove anjuta  or re-run the upgrade process, what should I do? please help!
[11:02] <ScarFreewill> how do i make glxgears show me my fps
[11:02] <intelikey> and don't think to say it the first open tty  i don't use tty5,6   so that's not the case.
[11:02] <quartzy> againstme: maybe google it, it appears you need right click to do it that way..
[11:02] <quartzy> ScarFreewill: glxgears -showfps i think
[11:03] <quartzy> intelikey: it will be in gdmrc i would imagine, as for where that is i don't know since i'm an kubuntu user
[11:03] <quartzy> intelikey: i know for kdm its in kdmrc which is /etc/kde3/kdm
[11:03] <quartzy> so it may be something similar
[11:04] <intelikey> there is no   *rc   there is .conf  but that's not it.
[11:04] <ScarFreewill> lzap i would try to uninstall anjuta seeing that edgy doesn't need it to run and its giving u probs
[11:05] <quartzy> intelikey: where are you looking?
[11:05] <ScarFreewill> lzap i guess you could just reinstall it afer you booted up in edgy..
[11:06] <lzap> ScarFreewill: I cannot uninstall anything, apt-get stops: The following packages have unmet dependencies: (about 15 packages)
[11:07] <BlueEagle> lzap: Did you try with adept or aptitude?
[11:07] <intelikey> quartzy /etc/gdm
[11:08] <ScarFreewill> BlueEagle, i think he did apt uninstall..
[11:08] <quartzy> intelikey: it may be .conf then, did you look in there?
[11:08] <intelikey> quartzy found it  gdm.conf:FirstVT=7
[11:08] <lzap> BlueEagle: nope
[11:08] <BlueEagle> lzap: That might be something to try. :)
[11:08] <j_> am I stupid if I tru to compile a driver to fix that "oversized Ethernet frame" thing?
[11:08] <j_> *try
[11:09] <lzap> synaptic doesnt run
[11:09] <drarem> is there a way to run gedit to edit a protected directory file without having to sudo it from root? the gui way doesn't give me authority
[11:09] <BlueEagle> guiden: If you're hardware savy then you might want to check that the fan and rib is properly seated and perhaps check that you've got a proper amount of thermal paste between them.
[11:10] <lupine_85> gksudo gedit
[11:10] <BlueEagle> lzap: Not synaptic, adept.
[11:10] <cloakable> Any way to publish a Samba server on Zeroconf?
[11:10] <ScarFreewill> lzap aptitude should... seeing ur in "text mode"
[11:10] <j_> how do I check which driver I am running?
[11:11] <BlueEagle> j_: lsmod usually.
[11:11] <lzap> adept reinstalled anjuta, its working
[11:13] <roltux> oke maybe a lot of people came to here with this problem
[11:13] <roltux> but i upgraded to kde 3.5.5 and now mounting of my usb stick is not working anymore
[11:13] <lzap> ScarFreewill: it seems its continuing with the disttro update! adept is not based on apt? strange, but it seems to work... wish me luck. thanks.
[11:14] <RobertDB> I have a question about kde.
[11:14] <_kuja_> ask away
[11:14] <RobertDB> Now that I've installed kde over ubuntu server 6.06, how do I get the server applications previously installed (apache, proftpd, mysql, etc) onto the menu?
[11:15] <j_> hmmm, via_rhine   0
[11:15] <guiden> ok
[11:15] <_kuja_> Not sure if it can be done or not, seeing as they're all cli daemons started from the shell.
[11:16] <_kuja_> or more likely, from an init script....
[11:16] <roltux> anybody who upgraded to kde 3.5.5 and having mounting problems
[11:16] <RobertDB> I'm simply looking for a means of doing app configuration
[11:16] <intelikey> RobertDB (apache, proftpd, mysql, etc)  are not gui applications   in fact not applications in the common sense
[11:17] <_kuja_> Hmm, some of them might have guis for configuration, I'm pretty sure mysql does, not sure about apache or proftpd as I've not looked.
[11:17] <TheGateKeeper> RobertDB, use your browser as the interface
[11:17] <intelikey> !lamp
[11:17] <ubotu> lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL.  For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP  -  See also the Server CD install menu.
[11:18] <_kuja_> If you want a gui for configuration of mysql, install the mysql-admin package.
[11:18] <RobertDB> k
[11:18] <j_> I'm gonna leave this one for my bro
[11:18] <j_> too bad this is producing horrible latency
[11:19] <RobertDB> What do I do to use the browser as the interface?
[11:21] <_kuja_> For administrating proftpd, try the program supplied by the gproftpd package.
[11:21] <_kuja_> I did a quick search for something similar for apache and didn't find anything
[11:24] <_kuja_> roltux, does that mean you're having problems with it? I've not heard anything about it.
[11:24] <RobertDB> I've been reading what docs I can find this afternoon, but apparently I'm not looking in the right places.
[11:24] <roltux> yes after upgrading kde to 3.5.5 from dapper i have this problem
[11:24] <cpk1> i am trying to mount a usb stick but seem to be mounting the usb hub instead
[11:25] <cpk1> what am i doing wrong?
[11:25] <aib> is it possible to _downgrade_ a package? binutils 2.17.50.0.5 has a serious bug that causes link time to be O(n^2) ! (and that's what is being used in kubuntu)
[11:25] <BlueEagle> robertdb: apache, proftpd and mysqld doesn't show up on the menu by default. You'll need to add manual entries for them. Not that I can fathom why you would want to do that tho...
[11:25] <lzap> upgrade with adept failed, what can I do?
[11:26] <RobertDB> I've been looking for how to add installed programs to the menu but haven't found it yet
[11:27] <cpk1> RobertDB: right click the kmenu and then select the menu editor, as soon as it opens press save and then close it
[11:27] <BlueEagle> robertdb: did you try: http://www.google.com/search?q=kde+edit+menu
[11:28] <_kuja_> roltux, what sort of problems then?
[11:28] <roltux> well i cant mount my usb stick, ones i insert my usbstick its asking me if i want to open it
[11:28] <roltux> and then i say yes but it never opens
[11:28] <roltux> btw _kuja_brb
[11:29] <_kuja_> Weird...... that's good, v
[11:29] <_kuja_> *because I need a few minutes myself
[11:29] <cpk1> roltux: same thing happening with me =\
[11:29] <RobertDB> BlueEagle, I'm checking it now.
[11:30] <cpk1> RobertDB: you try what i said?
[11:30] <intelikey> gdm error human.xml not found   yet i'v removed all refferance to human in the gdm.conf   what gives ?
[11:31] <RobertDB> open the menu editor and close it again?
[11:32] <BlueEagle> Doesn't kubuntu use KDM?
[11:32] <intelikey> BlueEagle by default yes.
[11:32] <cloakable> In most cases, yeah
[11:32] <intelikey> i don't like kdm  it's setup to use /root as a universal config dir
[11:33] <intelikey> ie users writting to /root
[11:33] <lupine_85> erm, not on kubuntu it isn't
[11:33] <lupine_85> at least not AFAICT
[11:33] <cloakable> :)
[11:33] <intelikey> lupine_85 ?
[11:33] <intelikey> at whom ?
[11:33] <lupine_85> @you :)
[11:34] <aerius> reeeeee
[11:34] <intelikey> lupine_85 which release ?
[11:34] <aerius> heloow
[11:34] <lupine_85> 6.06
[11:34] <_kuja_> helluuu
[11:34] <intelikey> dapper  yes it does.
[11:34] <lupine_85> erm, 6.10 ratehr
[11:34] <aerius> there is somebody to help me ;d
[11:34] <aerius> :)
[11:34] <aerius> just need to talk about vmware ^^ in linux :)
[11:34] <lupine_85> I only used dapper for a short while :)
[11:35] <lupine_85> aerius: ask away
[11:35] <aerius> ^o)
[11:35] <intelikey> if you want to test it  sudo rm -r /root ;sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[11:35] <RobertDB> darn I need to leave. I'll check out what you've given me so far. Thanks.
[11:35] <intelikey> and see what all it writes there.
[11:35] <_kuja_> later RobertDB
[11:35] <lupine_85> hehe. /root has plenty of stuff in atm, sorry
[11:35] <_kuja_> aerius: what about vmware?
[11:36] <intelikey> lupine_85 so you could mv /root /testing  and put it back when finished
[11:36] <aerius> i'm trying to install it but with out result
[11:36] <aerius> in synaptics i try to install the vmware player
[11:36] <aerius> (sorry for my english :) im frech)
[11:36] <_kuja_> have you tried following what the ubuntu wiki says to do?
[11:37] <aerius> nop :$
[11:37] <Lagwagon> thank you guys for the hlp..finally got my adept working
[11:37] <aerius> the error that i have is that the module vmnet can't be loaded
[11:38] <_kuja_> vmware server or vmware player?
[11:38] <aerius> the player
[11:38] <aerius> i'm downloading the server now to try with :)
[11:38] <aerius> cause with the player i have any time that problme
[11:39] <_kuja_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VmwarePlayer
[11:39] <aerius> but if you have a fix to the player
[11:39] <aerius> i prefere use it
[11:40] <aerius> ok i well go to see that now
[11:40] <aerius> thnkx ^^
[11:40] <Lagwagon> i have a question. i installed kubuntu on an ibook and the colors are not right and i tried to change some settings but nothing worked so far...any ideas?
[11:40] <_kuja_> kay
[11:41] <morphish> hm, this is like not particularly cool, apt-get segfaults as does the adept updater that wants to update something
[11:41] <_kuja_> Hmm, if you go to systemsettings-> monitor & display -> color & gamma you may be able to play with things
[11:42] <Lagwagon> yeah..i changed it to the apple standard setting but still prob
[11:42] <_kuja_> So, what's wrong with the color exactly?
[11:43] <Lagwagon> instead of showing colors, it will show pixels of random colors
[11:43] <_kuja_> That could be a video driver problem, which one do you use?
[11:43] <Lagwagon> sorry, just got it
[11:43] <Lagwagon> my fault
[11:43] <Lagwagon> sorry] 
[11:44] <_kuja_> Oh, what was it then?
[11:45] <Lagwagon> i changed it to apple standard, but accedentally moved the scroll wheel at the same time so i changed the settings with the apple setting
[11:47] <Lagwagon> now i have to find some cool software..
[11:49] <_kuja_> Now listening to:The Day The World Went Away by Nine Inch Nails on The Fragile
[11:57] <cpk1> for some reason i cant seem to mount my usb stick, automount doesnt work and if i try to mount /dev/sdb1/ it looks like to mounts the hub
[11:57] <yintelike> hmmm still not accepting passwdless login
[12:00] <_kuja_> cpk1, what hub?
[12:01] <yintelike> i set  PasswordRequired=false
[12:01] <yintelike> but still doesn't work
[12:03] <cpk1> _kuja_: the usb hub, after some reading it looks like the hal update caused some problems
[12:04] <_kuja_> Hmm
[12:04] <_kuja_> I've got no idea. Are you using edgy or dapper?
[12:05] <cpk1> dapper
[12:05] <cpk1> i am reverting to previous hal
[12:08] <re-align> Hmmm...
[12:10] <re-align> Unfortunately the KDE app responsible for setting the shortcuts wants WIN+(something else)...:(
[12:11] <re-align> Which file is responsible for defining keyboard shortcuts?
[12:12] <_kuja_> Hmm, you might be able to change the win key into a non-modifier key somewhere else, maybe... (I'm thinking system settings -> region & accessibility or system settings -> keyboard & mice -> ....