[12:26] <Burgwork> http://askthewebhost.net/blogs/asp/53712/
[12:27] <Burgwork> please add that to the UWN
[12:29] <Burgwork> http://feynmanboson.blogspot.com/2006/11/ubuntu-linux-for-human-beings.html
[12:31] <YoussefAssad> there was the chap in here earlier with the ubuntu HA cluster; did someone manage to point him in the right direction, or reach an understanding of whether it was worthy of propagation as an ubuntu success story?
[12:32] <Burgwork> no idea
[12:58] <jono> jenda: ping!
[12:58] <tsmithe> he's probs not around... remember it's 1am in prague now
[12:59] <tsmithe> and his proxy means he never leaves
[12:59] <jono> right
[01:15] <YoussefAssad> morning rjian 
[01:17] <rjian> YoussefAssad: morning 2
[03:05] <Madpilot> lotusleaf, ping
[03:11] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: pong
[03:11] <Madpilot> lotusleaf, PM?
[03:11] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: files received, apologies for delay, have been trying to get to the bottom of bug 62699
[03:11] <Madpilot> no, this is about your website baner
[03:11] <Madpilot> banner, even
[03:12] <lotusleaf> ah
[03:12] <lotusleaf> thanks, sure pm ;-)
[03:20] <Burgundavia> whose around right now?
[03:20] <Admiral_Chicago> i am
[03:20] <Madpilot> Mrh?
[03:21] <Burgundavia> who wants to help me work on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LookingForwardAtFeisty
[03:21] <Burgundavia> ?
[03:22] <Admiral_Chicago> Burgundavia: i can give it a shot
[03:22] <Burgundavia> I am going to gobby it up, but I will lay it out first
[03:23] <Admiral_Chicago> Burgundavia: okay that's fine, I helped with the write up of the official release notes for kubuntu edgy so i've done some of this
[03:23] <Burgundavia> cool
[03:23] <Admiral_Chicago> just let me  know when you stopped edititng so i could see the wiki
[03:24] <Burgundavia> yep, will do
[03:36] <Burgundavia> ok, wiki page editing with urls for specs
[03:36] <Burgundavia> final sorting is far from complete
[03:37] <Admiral_Chicago> Burgundavia: okay let me look at it
[03:38] <Burgundavia> we need to add the upstream stuff to that
[03:38] <Burgundavia> shall we move to gobby?
[03:39] <Burgundavia> Admiral_Chicago: ^
[03:40] <Admiral_Chicago> Burgundavia: gobby
[03:40] <Burgundavia> ok, to poningru and his gobby thne
[03:40] <Admiral_Chicago> ?
[03:40] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm not sure what that is really
[03:40] <Burgundavia> a collaborative editor
[03:40] <Admiral_Chicago> okay i get you
[03:40] <Burgundavia> you on edgy or dapper?
[03:40] <Admiral_Chicago> let's add that
[03:40] <Admiral_Chicago> odgy
[03:41] <Admiral_Chicago> s/edgy
[03:41] <Burgundavia> just install gobby then
[03:41] <Burgundavia> requires gtk
[03:41] <Admiral_Chicago> can do chief
[03:45] <Admiral_Chicago> ah this gobby this is pretty sweet
[03:45] <Burgundavia> see the ip and password on the Feisty page
[03:46] <Burgundavia> here is the general goal
[03:46] <Burgundavia> each spec should get at the very least a few lines
[03:46] <Burgundavia> feel free to link to other resources, such as blog posts
[03:46] <Burgundavia> try and tie specs together
[03:47] <Admiral_Chicago> i don't see an IP
[03:47] <Admiral_Chicago> give me a sec
[03:47] <Admiral_Chicago> ah no i do
[03:48] <Burgundavia> one thing to be aware of: gobby has no undo
[03:48] <Admiral_Chicago> i'll keey that in mind
[03:49] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: btw, installing gtk for gobby on windows broke gaim for a friend of mine...not sure how to make things share gtk
[03:49] <tonyyarusso> silly windows having separated libs
[03:52] <Burgundavia> Admiral_Chicago: for those specs, write only the high priority ones for now
[03:52] <Burgundavia> as we cannot be for certain that everything is set in stone
[03:55] <Admiral_Chicago> Burgundavia: let me open those links all up so I know what we are talking about here
[03:56] <Burgundavia> yep
[03:56] <Admiral_Chicago> i'll work on the Desktop Effects section
[03:56] <Burgundavia> might want to leave that for right now
[03:57] <Admiral_Chicago> alright then i'll do multimedia
[03:57] <Burgundavia> ok
[05:35] <lotusleaf> hmmm
[05:35] <lotusleaf> a shame the ubuntu roughcut posters news never made boingboing.. and yet.. a story about how to turn your pee blue, did. :P
[06:03] <Joe_CoT> Hey, I'm working on a poster for my LoCo team (an Inkscape ... shop of the "Obey Ubuntu" one). can someone take a look? I'm kinda not good at writing anything interesting :)
[06:03] <Joe_CoT> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewJerseyTeam/PosterSpec
[06:15] <Madpilot> Joe_CoT, looks good - nice to see my posters being used & modified!
[06:16] <Joe_CoT> hehe. svg makes it painfully easy :)
[06:16] <Madpilot> use a rougher font for your additions, though - there are lots of 'distressed typewriter' fonts around
[06:16] <Madpilot> yes, SVG rocks
[06:16] <Madpilot> try dafont.com for piles of free-as-in-beer fonts, including lots of rough/distressed ones
[06:18] <Madpilot> dafont even has an entire font category called "Typewriter": http://www.dafont.com/theme.php?cat=113
[06:19] <Joe_CoT> yeah, i see. i'll check it out
[06:19] <Joe_CoT> hmmm
[06:37] <Joe_CoT> how do i either render the text, or embed the font?
[06:38] <Madpilot> Joe_CoT, select the text, then go Path -> Object To Path
[06:39] <Joe_CoT> yes, just found that :) thanks
[06:39] <Madpilot> only do that when you're SURE it's all proofread, because once that's done, it's not text anymore
[06:39] <Madpilot> and you can't convert path back to text
[06:39] <Joe_CoT> yeah
[06:42] <Joe_CoT> i'm just gonna hide the original text in a layer for now, till we decide on something
[06:45] <Madpilot> that works.
[06:49] <Joe_CoT> alright, uploaded the new ones. now it's pretty, but I still need wittier text :D
[06:49] <Joe_CoT> also, pathing text really seems to add to the file size
[06:50] <Madpilot> it does, text = complex outlines 
[06:52] <Madpilot> Joe_CoT, too much text in the 'The Ubuntu New Jersey Team is..." section
[06:53] <Joe_CoT> yeah. just dunno what to make it. I put that there as a placeholder, mostly, because the text sucks
[06:56] <Madpilot> plunder freely. "The Ubuntu New Jersey Team Needs YOU!" 
[06:59] <Joe_CoT> haha. I was thinking along those lines
[07:00] <Madpilot> hey, if it worked for the US Army, it'll work for anyone.
[07:01] <Madpilot> Besides, the early 20th C was a cool time for all sorts of design, it's well worth plundering! :)
[07:14] <Joe_CoT> alright, how bout now? (only changed the svg)
[07:15] <Madpilot> Joe_CoT, nice
[07:16] <Joe_CoT> cool (asked my DART major girlfriend a few times before I asked you again :D )
[07:17] <Madpilot> DART?
[07:17] <Joe_CoT> Digital Art
[07:17] <Madpilot> cool - I'm strictly a self-taught design freak ;)
[07:17] <Joe_CoT> ah
[07:18] <Joe_CoT> yeah, this was basically my first foray into inkscape. Seems pretty awesome.
[07:19] <Madpilot> Inkscape rocks. There's a good mailing list, too - and #inkscape here on Freenode is useful
[09:34] <jenda> Madpilot: just had a look at themposters. Looking good, thx for the copyright thing.
[09:34] <jenda> Do you think you could have a look if the smudges could be changed a bit? I'd feel more comfortable ordering 100 pieces if they were :)
[09:35] <Madpilot> jenda, sure. If this snow continues I might have lots of time this week (assuming the power doesn't go out, of course...)
[09:36] <jenda> aww
[09:36] <jenda> Can you take a picture? :)
[09:36] <Madpilot> my camera still shoots film, not digital, but I could ;)
[09:36] <jenda> Nah, leave it ;)
[09:37] <jenda> The winter I spent in Canada didn't have much snow. 
[09:37] <jenda> I felt betrayed ;)
[09:37] <Madpilot> this part of Canada hardly ever gets snow, that's why only 6-10 inches of the stuff has f'd up the city so bad
[09:37] <jenda> Which part is it?
[09:37] <jenda> I lived in Fredericton.
[09:37] <Madpilot> Victoria
[09:37] <jenda> cool
[09:37] <jenda> I guess we've had 10 inches during the winter too.
[09:38] <jenda> I was imagining one of those Canadian snow-ins with 6 feet of snow, rather :)
[09:38] <Madpilot> meh. We had one of those (~1m of snow in 30hrs or so) back in 1996 - that was memorable!
[09:38] <jenda> hehe :)
[09:39] <jenda> I saw a picture of the house I lived in during one of those.
[09:39] <jenda> It must've been 6, maybe 10 feet. You could barely see the house :)
[09:41] <jenda> aaanyway... the marketing mailing list just got an offer for Viagra and Cialis, did any of you order that? Next time please do so privately, not on the mailing list.
[09:41] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: see planet ubuntu
[09:42] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, got your asbestos undergarments handy?
[09:42] <Burgundavia> yep
[09:42] <Burgundavia> I imagine dholbach and seb128 will be amongst the first after me
[09:45] <Madpilot> are they in favour of accelX as well?
[09:45] <Burgundavia> no, but they hate it when I raise issues like this, in the manner of confrontation like I just did
[09:50] <Madpilot> Thou Shalt Not Shit-Disturb
[09:52] <Burgundavia> indeed
[09:52] <Burgundavia> and hug and be merry
[09:55] <Madpilot> anyway, I need sleep. How did it get to be almost 0100 so fast, anyway?
[11:53] <KenSentMe> Burgundavia: amen on your blog post at planet ubuntu
[11:53] <KenSentMe> Good points
[12:04] <jenda_> did I miss anything?
[12:13] <KenSentMe> the post about multimedia codecs on planet ubuntu
[12:34] <jenda_> dayum... I totally timed out there...
[12:34] <jenda_> elkbuntu: did you say anything?
[12:35] <elkbuntu> nope
[12:35] <jenda_> said, or received?
[12:40] <elkbuntu> hmm?
[12:45] <jenda_> said nothing, or received nothing yet, elkbuntu{
[12:46] <elkbuntu> um... im saying things when you prompt me jenda, what is the problem?
[12:48] <jenda_> I was enquiring if you received a package yet, but didn't realise you're busy. sry
[12:49] <elkbuntu> oh.. package. no, not today. it's not that im busy, rather sleepy and confused at how you were asking
[12:49] <jenda_> ok :)
[12:49] <jenda_> Disregard me, I can be confusing during sociology class...
[12:50] <elkbuntu> how unsociable of you :
[12:53] <jenda_> 
[01:09] <YoussefAssad> I might be a bit dense, but I can't quite tell if Corey's post on planet is pro or anti blobs
[01:09] <jenda_> I don't have the impression it's either.
[01:09] <elkbuntu> YoussefAssad, anti.
[01:10] <YoussefAssad> elkbuntu: oh, okay. Congrues with my opinion then
[01:10] <davehat> YoussefAssad: isn't it both?
[01:10] <jenda_> But it obviously states the nonsense of accepting some blobs for bling and not taking other, more important ones.
[01:10] <YoussefAssad> davehat: I can see I'm not the only confused soul.
[01:10] <davehat> that covers all interpretations then :)
[01:10] <davehat> apart from pro
[01:10] <YoussefAssad> jenda_: Yes, but I can see that sort of opinion prevaling in the current ubuntu atmosphere mind ye
[01:10] <elkbuntu> davehat, the way i understand it, he's saying 'it's bad, but you might as well go all the way if you're going to go part of it'
[01:11] <elkbuntu> the good man can correct me if i've missed the point
[01:11] <YoussefAssad> Or maybe corey's flipflopping; preparations for a run for congress, taking the solid center and refusing to commit to a platform
[01:11] <jenda_> YoussefAssad: 
[01:11] <elkbuntu> he's likely snoring his little canadian head off right now
[01:11] <jenda_> most probably.
[01:11] <YoussefAssad> jenda_: I'm just being silly
[01:12] <jenda_> I know :)
[01:12] <davehat> elkbuntu: actually, I think that's how I read it
[01:13] <poningru> what are we talking about?
[01:13] <elkbuntu> my personal view: i dont mind forcing blobs to make things functional. i do mind forcing not only blobs, but bling as well.
[01:13] <elkbuntu> i found compiz/beryl to be a pain to have enabled all the time
[01:14] <poningru> hehe
[01:14] <poningru> true that
[01:18] <davehat> elkubuntu: its also a nightmare to install. I reckon a large number of people must give up before they get it installed - and they're the people who actually wanted it in the first place. (Sorry, I realise this has been re-hashed ad nauseam and this ain't the channel for it either).
[01:21] <elkbuntu> hehe, im off to bed, g'nite
[01:21] <YoussefAssad> I think it needs to be discussed, _especially_ by the marketing folk
[01:21] <elkbuntu> agreed,  and afformentioned action
[01:22] <poningru> nn
[01:31] <poningru> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UMtyvHCzvU
[02:03] <poningru> jenda: dude whats the link to the lists thing?
[02:33] <dotwaffle> jenda: 25 shiny dollars (well, whatever that is in GBP converted to Czech Moolah) on it's way to you ;)
[03:02] <poningru> mmmm carne asada
[03:02] <poningru> a burrito is not a sandwich!!!
[03:03] <lotusleaf> poningru: indeed! :)
[03:03] <poningru> :D
[03:04] <lotusleaf> however, there's the carne asada torte or however you spell it
[03:05] <poningru> btw our software freedom day documentary
[03:05] <poningru> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UMtyvHCzvU
[03:07] <lotusleaf> <- dial up :P
[04:14] <jenda> dotwaffle: w00t
[04:14] <jenda> dotwaffle: only drawback: I just sent a shipment, so your's'll go on monday.
[04:17] <dotwaffle> That's no problem ;)
[08:13] <somerville32> m
[08:29] <stelt> I have some ideas for the spreading of free-er computing in general (in which Ubuntu is an important ingredient), for which i bought freedomdrive.org and homecomputerhelp.org, and as hosting is not in place yet i have previews at http://steltenpower.com/homecomputerhelp.org and http://steltenpower.com/freedomdrive.org  Want to hook into this to spread Ubuntu?
[08:30] <somerville32> stelt: Feel free to bring it up on the mailing list :) I'm sure people would love to discuss it.
[08:32] <somerville32> http://lists.ubuntu.com
[10:20] <jenda> so...
[10:21] <atoponce> :)
[10:21] <jenda> the project was too huge to complete, so I chose an alternative aproach.
[10:21] <atoponce> not sure if #dvorak wanted to see all that or not. :)
[10:21] <jenda> (which I could do while studying, too)
[10:21] <atoponce> yeah. looking over the wiki, it's fairly long
[10:22] <atoponce> but i can see how it covers a lot of ground
[10:24] <atoponce> i'm definitely interested. what can i do to help with SpreadUbuntu?  where to begin?
[10:24] <tonyyarusso> Will the SpreadUbuntu site be online by Feisty release?
[10:25] <tsmithe> hopefully
[10:25] <tsmithe> depends what you want in the site
[10:25] <atoponce> is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/SpreadUbuntu current?
[10:25] <jenda> tonyyarusso: could even be :)
[10:25] <jenda> but not in it's entirety
[10:25] <jenda> atoponce: not really.
[10:25] <jenda> as I was saying...
[10:26] <jenda> I decided to focus on the DIY section of the project for now, atoponce.
[10:27] <atoponce> what is needed for DIY?
[10:27] <atoponce> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing ?
[10:27] <jenda> That's one thing.
[10:28] <jenda> I didn't yet have time to organise it well, because I kindof got used to the state that there's no one to help with it ;)
[10:28] <jenda> and suddenly some people started to, quite intensively :)
[10:28] <jenda> I'll pastebin one roadmap I've charted...
[10:28] <atoponce> cool
[10:30] <atoponce> ahh cool. the ubuntu stand.  that came from our loco team.  mike moore i believe created it.
[10:30] <atoponce> i had forgotten about that
[10:30] <jenda> I think so too :)
[10:30] <jenda> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34642/
[10:30] <jenda> here
[10:30] <jenda> keep in mind it's about two weeks old...
[10:31] <atoponce> ok
[10:31] <jenda> ...and replace "I will" with "needs to be done" :)
[10:35] <tsmithe> urgh
[10:36] <atoponce> jenda: so, if i have the idea, you want to spread the word about people making their own ubuntu "stuff" and centralize it into one location?
[10:36] <atoponce> tsmithe: not a dp drinker eh? you know, it's the nectar of the gods... :)
[10:37] <jenda> atoponce: that's only step one.
[10:38] <jenda> atoponce: step two is creating a centralised database for Marketing Howtos.
[10:38] <jenda> I'm _really_ looking forward to that.
[10:38] <jenda> It should contain all the ideas the community came up with for local marketing campaigns.
[10:39] <atoponce> i see. help others get ideas about how to SU in their locale
[10:39] <jenda> From asking your retailer to give out CDs with sales to creating a computer room at the local school.
[10:39] <atoponce> yeah. ok.
[10:43] <stelt> OK, sent it to the list
[11:29] <stelt> OK, sent it to the list (this time not sabotaged by a broken connection)
[11:31] <jenda> stelt: are you arriba at steltenpower dot com?
[11:35] <stelt> jenda, yes, i am. sent it off wrong e-mail adress. My e-mail connection was on/off/on/off  etc.
[11:36] <jenda> that's ok
[11:36] <jenda> I'll let it through, but if you want to keep using this address, subscribe it to da list.
[11:36] <jenda> or... nevermind, I'll just set it on accept.