[01:59] <LForshaw> hola
[02:04] <Dheeraj_k> is there any all in 1 pdf suite available for linux? same as acrobat?
[02:04] <LForshaw> Foxit for Linux (preview) is pretty cool
[02:04] <LForshaw> http://www.foxitsoftware.com/downloads/
[02:05] <Dheeraj_k> is it free?
[02:06] <LForshaw> i believe so
[02:06] <Dheeraj_k> I am a fan of foxit reader :) but  I think except reader every thing is paid?
[02:06] <LForshaw> ahh.. u need more than the reader :P
[02:07] <Dheeraj_k> any free solution available?
[02:07] <Dheeraj_k> to create/manager/modify pdf
[02:08] <Dheeraj_k> all in1 :D
[02:09] <Dheeraj_k> I Still don't understand how cum foxit can sale pdf stuff as adobe has its exclusive patent?
[02:10] <Dheeraj_k> and it is not allowing microsoft to provide such function  in msoffice 2007. because it will use it for commercial purpose
[02:11] <yolynne> http://www.asymptopia.org/
[02:12] <yolynne> new cool educational apps
[02:13] <Dheeraj_k> yolynne: what is its use?
[02:14] <Dheeraj_k> gr8 application for education :) http://thakur.dheeraj.googlepages.com/Java.rar
[02:16] <yolynne> yeah
[02:16] <yolynne> got it from the schoolforge mailing list
[02:18] <Dheeraj_k> but what is its use?
[02:19] <Dheeraj_k> I was talking about this link Dheeraj_k: gr8 application for education :) http://thakur.dheeraj.googlepages.com/Java.rar
[02:24] <LForshaw> Thanks for the link Yolynne.. looks interesting!
[02:25] <yolynne> LForshaw: welcome
[02:28] <Dheeraj_k> that is gr8 stuff for kids :)
[02:41] <Dheeraj_k> hello every body chk this out list of almost all the application of ubuntu http://thakur.dheeraj.googlepages.com/ubuntuPackage.pdf
[03:53] <Dheeraj_k> can any body tell me what is context free grammer?
[03:56] <crimsun> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Context_free_grammar
[03:59] <Dheeraj_k> thanks :)
[04:03] <Dheeraj_k> that was very confusing and complex :-X
[04:18] <Dheeraj_k> can any body tell me the difference between multi programming and multi processing operating system?
[04:19] <maccabeus> what's up
[04:21] <maccabeus> #ubuntu-classroom
[04:21] <maccabeus> anyone using schooltool or schoolbell with edubuntu or just in general?
[04:24] <EduNotWork> Who's here and who wants to help?
[04:24] <Burgundavia> what is your issue?
[04:25] <Burgundavia> Dheeraj_k: wikipedia can
[04:25] <EduNotWork> Edubuntu won't install
[04:25] <EduNotWork> Let me get you the specifics
[04:25] <Dheeraj_k> I was looking for simple term answer
[04:25] <Dheeraj_k> not the 100 line answer
[04:25] <EduNotWork> LSTPH won't install...
[04:26] <EduNotWork> During the middle of the install, that comes up
[04:27] <Burgundavia> right
[04:27] <Burgundavia> have you verified the iso? have you checked with another cdrom drive?
[04:27] <EduNotWork> and it says it's an error and can't continue
[04:27] <Burgundavia> have you burned another copy?
[04:27] <EduNotWork> Yes
[04:27] <EduNotWork> Used 2 or 3 different cd roms
[04:27] <Burgundavia> all three?
[04:27] <EduNotWork> burned 2 or 3 times
[04:27] <Burgundavia> different drives?
[04:27] <EduNotWork> yes
[04:27] <EduNotWork> it WAS installed fine
[04:28] <Burgundavia> then why were you reinstalling?
[04:30] <EduNotWork> why NOT?
[04:31] <EduNotWork> change of hardware, and it wouldn't boot after hardware changed
[04:34] <Dheeraj_k> EduNotWork: even I faced the same problem long time back
[04:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> sure your hardware is ok?
[04:34] <Dheeraj_k> when I attached  my hdd on my friends pc
[04:35] <Burgundavia> right
[04:36] <EduNotWork> Hardware should be fine
[04:36] <EduNotWork> The true story: my friend's 7900gt died and was sent in for repairs.
[04:37] <EduNotWork> In the meantime, I leant him the machine
[04:37] <EduNotWork> 's gf4mx4000
[04:37] <EduNotWork> After putting in the 2x ati rage/1x radeon it wouldnt work ever again
[04:37] <EduNotWork> Video issues, maybe it needed drivers, so I booted it into commandline
[04:37] <EduNotWork> And it wouldnt serve anymore
[04:37] <EduNotWork> After many, many reinstalls, I've been unable to get it to remote boot
[04:38] <EduNotWork> With the gf4, it booted my notebook using pxe or whatever and my friend's notebook as well
[04:38] <EduNotWork> After that fateful night it never worked again
[04:39] <Dheeraj_k> did you tried other distro?
[04:39] <Dheeraj_k> on that machine
[04:39] <EduNotWork> I tried the same distro but the DVD version
[04:40] <EduNotWork> The first time, I used the CD version
[04:40] <Dheeraj_k> try memory test
[04:40] <EduNotWork> k
[04:48] <EduNotWork> my friend actually started a workstation install
[04:48] <EduNotWork> Is there someway to install the needed packages to get LTSP and all that?
[04:50] <maccabeus> starting a new thread from edunotwork...what's the area needing most help in edubuntu right now? I'd like to figure out a way to contribute
[04:52] <maccabeus> edunotwork: I'm sure you can add the appropriate packages using synaptic, after the fact. then check out the wiki for info on setting up the ltsp side of things. if your friend has not invested much into the workstation yet (like if he's still installing), then I'd recommend that he start over on the install....
[04:55] <EduNotWork> Haha thanks man
[05:03] <EduNotWork> is there anyway to turn the workstation into a server unit?
[05:03] <EduNotWork> edubuntu workstation that is
[05:08] <Burgundavia> what kind of server?
[05:14] <maccabeus> anybody running a calendar server on edubuntu for collaboration?
[05:21] <EduNotWork> Burgundavia: I need to get thin clients (or any other machines) to boot off Edubuntu off of lAN
[05:21] <EduNotWork> LAN*
[05:22] <maccabeus> edunotwork: have you setup the edubuntu server yet?
[05:24] <EduNotWork> I have the workstation install currently running on a machine
[05:30] <maccabeus> take a look through synaptic and search for ltsp -- you'll have to add those packages if you don't want to reinstall
[05:30] <maccabeus> no
[05:30] <maccabeus> scratch that
[05:30] <maccabeus> try also searching for edubuntu
[05:30] <maccabeus> in synaptix
[05:30] <maccabeus> synaptic
[09:56] <willvdl> ping nixternal
[09:57] <nixternal> willvdl: pong?
[09:57] <willvdl> hey, just going through doc.u.c
[09:58] <nixternal> ya, that is our staging location
[09:58] <willvdl> does doc.u.c only show "latest" stuff from svn?
[09:58] <nixternal> yes
[09:59] <willvdl> meaning, for eg. "about Edubuntu" is for Feisty
[09:59] <willvdl> How would one find devel versions for 6.10 & 6.06?
[09:59] <nixternal> that is correct...all the docs are being pulled from trunk, which are for feisty
[10:00] <nixternal> well, if you wanted just the .xml versions they would be located under the branches directory on the svn server
[10:00] <nixternal> https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches
[10:01] <Burgundavia> willvdl: the devel versions are now the final ones, as seen on help.ubuntu.com
[10:01] <Burgundavia> for 6.06 and .610
[10:01] <nixternal> the docs for Edubuntu in the 6.10 and 6.06 directories though are not going to be what was released though
[10:01] <nixternal> Burgundavia: there aren't any Edubuntu builds on help though
[10:02] <Burgundavia> hmm
[10:03] <willvdl> Burgwork, by devel versions you mean stable versions?
[10:03] <Burgundavia> well, that is because the only edubuntu stuff has not been developed in our repos
[10:03] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:03] <Burgundavia> however, the ubuntu stuff is mostly correct
[10:03] <nixternal> exactly Burgundavia, which I hope gets fixed ASAP
[10:03] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:03] <Burgundavia> it is already there, we just need the permissions stuff
[10:04] <willvdl> okie. I'm just looking at/for overlaps bewteen edubuntu and ubuntu
[10:04] <willvdl> and how to point to the right sets of docs
[10:04] <Burgundavia> with the topic based help, the duplication issue will go away
[10:04] <Burgundavia> as the edubuntu people will only need to write edubuntu specific stuff
[10:05] <Burgundavia> anyway, I truly need ot sleep'
[10:05] <willvdl> thanks
[10:11] <willvdl> Hey highvoltage, do you perhaps know why https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki is not the same as https://wiki.edubuntu.org/?
[10:12] <highvoltage> willvdl: I do indeed
[10:12] <highvoltage> willvdl: wiki.ubuntu.com and wiki.edubuntu.org is the same wiki
[10:12] <willvdl> highvoltage, groovy. Just wanted to know if you know :P
[10:12] <willvdl> yip
[10:12] <highvoltage> willvdl: kubuntu.org also has the same frontpage as all of them.
[10:12] <highvoltage> oh ok :)
[10:13] <highvoltage> willvdl: they used to be seperate wiki's. according to ogra and myself, it was better when it was seperate wiki's
[10:13] <willvdl> but www.edubuntu.o points to the wiki as wiki.edub.o/EdubuntuWiki
[10:13] <highvoltage> willvdl: sabdfl likes all the wiki's combined though, and there are some good reasons for that in terms of management and duplication
[10:13] <willvdl> and not wiki.edub.o
[10:14] <highvoltage> willvdl: yes, that's the Edubuntu wiki 'homepage'
[10:14] <highvoltage> willvdl: making sense?
[10:14] <willvdl> Doh, I'm an idiot
[10:15] <willvdl> Was not actually reading wiki.edu.o, was just looking at the css theme...
[10:15] <highvoltage> aaah
[10:15] <willvdl> can be confusing :)
[10:15] <highvoltage> it can indeed
[10:15] <willvdl> ok then
[10:17] <highvoltage> no need for that. edubuntugirl will sit in the corner for you
[10:18] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: stand in the corner
[10:19] <willvdl> righteous
[10:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0
[10:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> poor edubuntugirl :(
[10:19] <highvoltage> ok edubuntugirl you can come back now
[10:19] <edubuntugirl> yay!
[10:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> *giggle* :)
[10:22] <willvdl> Is the (https://wiki.edubuntu.org/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters) CookBook completely deprecated now?
[10:22] <willvdl> As in  superceded by handbook for all supported versions of edubuntu?
[10:33] <Dheeraj_k> hi I just installed apache2 phpmyadmin php4 mysql
[10:34] <Dheeraj_k> but I am not able to login to mysql database
[10:34] <Dheeraj_k> through phpmyadmin
[10:34] <Dheeraj_k> it is giving this error (" #2002 - The server is not responding (or the local MySQL server's socket is not correctly configured)")
[10:43] <willvdl> hey RichEd
[10:43] <RichEd> hi there willvdl
[10:44] <RichEd> been fighting with my network this morning ... now seems to be okay :)
[10:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi RichEd ! :)
[10:44] <RichEd> ( after UDS & AH realised perhaps I need to set encryption & password on my wifi point to avoid leeches :)
[10:44] <RichEd> hey Kamping_Kaiser
[10:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[10:46] <willvdl> RichEd, how about simple MAC filtering
[10:47] <willvdl> did you check the garden for any leech gangs?
[10:47] <RichEd> willvdl: I've set up encryption with a hexadecimal key ... it's working now ... easier to allow for visitors like JaneW's dad when he pops in on business trips
[10:48] <willvdl> Rightio
[12:54] <RichEd> [12:55] <ogra> :)
[12:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi ogra :)
[12:56] <ogra> hey
[12:57] <willvdl> ogra woot
[01:00] <RichEd> [01:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D
[03:09] <jsgotangco> so yeah
[03:09] <jsgotangco> ogra: please remove my admin in members
[03:09] <ogra> i cant ... that needs to be done by the CC
[03:09] <jsgotangco> oh
[03:09] <ogra> but i'll inform the right people
[03:10] <willvdl> edubuntugirl, what is CC?
[03:10] <edubuntugirl> willvdl: excuse me?
[03:10] <ogra> the edubuntu-memebers team is owned by CC
[03:10] <ogra> community council
[03:10] <willvdl> ogra, I know...just checking of she does  :)
[03:10] <ogra> seems not :)
[03:10] <jsgotangco> ogra: thanks...im sure we'll get to work again
[03:10] <willvdl> facinated by bots
[03:11] <willvdl> msg edubuntugirl, tell ogra that you don't know what CC means
[03:11] <willvdl> doh
[03:11] <ogra> haha
[03:11] <edubuntugirl> ogra: by the way, willvdl told me to tell you 'you don't know what CC means' 7 seconds ago (on Wed Nov 29 16:11:05 2006)
[03:11] <willvdl> doh doh
[03:11] <ogra> LOL
[03:12] <willvdl> edubuntugirl, go hide in the corner
[03:12] <edubuntugirl> willvdl: huh?
[03:12] <willvdl> edubuntugirl: stand in the corner
[03:12] <willvdl> ok edubuntugirl you can come back now
[03:13] <willvdl> she didn't sya yay
[03:13] <willvdl> oh well
[03:13] <RichEd> edubuntugirl: tell willvdl: tell edubuntugirl: tell RichEd says can edubuntugirl handle logic loops ?
[03:13] <edubuntugirl> Righto, RichEd!
[03:14] <willvdl> small things amuse small minds
[03:14] <edubuntugirl> willvdl: by the way, RichEd told me to tell you 'tell edubuntugirl: tell RichEd says can edubuntugirl handle logic loops ?' 11 seconds ago (on Wed Nov 29 16:13:47 2006)
[03:14] <willvdl> more like infinite loops
[03:15] <RichEd> Wew ... I'm cooking in my little office today ... 23 degrees C and sweating ...
[03:15] <SimonAnibal> RichEd: Back? How was all your travel?
[03:15] <jsgotangco> hey RichEd
[03:15] <RichEd> hey SimonAnibal :) was looking for your nick in the channel yesterday
[03:16] <SimonAnibal> I'm usually only on during work times, since my router at home drops packets and makes it impossible to keep an IRC connection for long
[03:16] <RichEd> SimonAnibal: tiring ... too much time in airports and planes ... but quite constructive in-between travels
[03:17] <SimonAnibal> RichEd: Right on! I enjoy travel, myself
[03:17] <RichEd> now catching up with a huuuge mail backlog ... and then back to normal work next week
[03:17] <willvdl> RichEd, my GF has been in Copenhagen for three days without her luggage (got lost in Zurich)
[03:17] <RichEd> SimonAnibal: yep ... but not 55 hours in airplanes in 3 weeks + airport check in time !
[03:18] <SimonAnibal> RichEd: Agreed, though I enjoy adding new airports to my "places been" list
[03:18] <RichEd> willvdl: ouch ... they promise bridging money for clothes etc, but make it almost impossible to get it out of them
[03:19] <SimonAnibal> RichEd: I'm 6'5", so most forms of travel are particularly cramped for me
[03:20] <SimonAnibal> RichEd: This summer, I traveled on a bus for about 18 hours each way in order to get to the border between Venezuela and Brazil, and it was one of the most uncomfortable experiences of my life
[03:20] <RichEd> SimonAnibal: 6'3.5" so I know the story ... they check in peoplea are tired of hearing me ask for an emergency exist seat
[03:21] <SimonAnibal> RichEd: Beautiful experience otherwise, then there's the fact that Venezuelan bus and taxi drivers have an alarming fetish for frostbite
[03:22] <SimonAnibal> I believe the reasoning is "Since it's sweltering outside, if I freeze myself I should be about the right temperature on average"...I don't think it works, though, because one should not have to carry a blanket with oneself in order to stay warm in the tropics
[03:22] <SimonAnibal> Or, as in my case, not carry a blanket and freeze
[03:22] <jsgotangco> hahaha
[03:22] <jsgotangco> fetish for frosbite
[03:22] <jsgotangco> i like
[03:24] <SimonAnibal> jsgotangco: It's the only way I can explain why someone would crank the air conditioner at full blast even when the temperature is such that the passengers are huddled under covers in order to maintain body heat
[03:24] <SimonAnibal> jsgotangco: it's a mystery to me, even my brother does it and he can't explain to me why
[03:25] <jsgotangco> perhaps force the body to do its natural self-defense mechanisms?
[03:27] <antoniou> hello everyone
[03:33] <SimonAnibal> antoniou: Howdy!
[04:09] <sbalneav> Morning all
[04:10] <RichEd> his royal scottyness ... hello from hot & sweaty cape town
[04:11] <jsgotangco> hi
[04:12] <jsgotangco> RichEd: so how are things going on your side
[04:12] <jsgotangco> ?
[04:13] <antoniou> hello richard
[04:13] <antoniou> greetings from greece
[04:14] <sbalneav> RichEd: Greetings from cold and snowy Winnipeg.
[04:14] <RichEd> thanks antoniou :) we have some partners in Greece - PLATON school
[04:14] <antoniou> more than partners... friends :-)
[04:14] <sbalneav> 15 cm of snow yesterday, and a relatively balmy - 17C, with windchill, feels like -25 C
[04:14] <RichEd> jsgotangco: good thanks ... just trying to get back into gear after 3.5 weeks away from the routine
[04:14] <RichEd> ubooontu !
[04:15] <antoniou> uboooontu !
[04:15] <sbalneav> The edubuntu group pic with the sign we took really worked out great.
[04:15] <RichEd> sbalneav: ouch ... no outside barbeques for the burgers then ?
[04:16] <sbalneav> No, Propane barbeques work until -30
[04:16] <sbalneav> so we're still OK.
[04:16] <sbalneav> I've barbequed in january before :)
[04:16] <RichEd> sbalneav: not really a spectator sport though !
[04:16] <sbalneav> no
[04:16] <sbalneav> You grill and go in to eat :)
[04:16] <RichEd> antoniou: can you remember the date for Italy meeting in 2007 ?
[04:17] <antoniou> if i'm not mistaken 22.2
[04:17] <antoniou> or 24.2
[04:17] <jsgotangco> its all good
[04:17] <RichEd> thanks antoniou :)
[04:18] <antoniou> RichEd: I'll ask my principle today I'll tell you tomorrow
[04:18] <antoniou> no prob
[04:27] <antoniou> RichEd: my boss said the meeting is on the 22.2 or 23.2
[04:28] <RichEd> Thanks ... I've look at the dates and 22 is a Thursday ... and I think we agreed Thu / Fri / Sat
[05:05] <juliux> ****REMINDER edubuntu session on #ubuntu-classroom now;)********
[05:26] <plagerism> is edubuntu suited to do a network boot?
[05:30] <highvoltage> it is indeed
[05:30] <highvoltage> plagerism: you might also want to join #ubuntu-classroom, ogra is explaining a large deal of edubuntu things at the moment
[05:30] <highvoltage> which makes for good reading.
[05:31] <plagerism> I hope I didnt miss the stuff I am interested in
[05:32] <plagerism> My teacher recently asked me to find a replacement for the current installation of Linux.
[05:32] <highvoltage> plagerism: look at the topic, logs are also kept of the channel
[05:32] <highvoltage> plagerism: what are you currently using?
[05:32] <plagerism> Well they are using an archaic version of Redhat
[05:33] <plagerism> And using evms to rootsnap the isntallation upon boot
[05:33] <plagerism> (revert to the known good install)
[05:33] <plagerism> So all changes are lost upon reboot
[05:34] <plagerism> And me being a ubuntu User myself and although not exactly designed for the College Market I definately think that it would be a start if consideration has been made for the needs of this install
[05:35] <plagerism> actually ogra just mentioned exactly what I am talking about
[05:44] <cbx33> guys and gals, I'm so sorry I missed the meeting, I had net access down at work for the day, it only popped on every few minutes or so
[05:44] <cbx33> plus the guy who I normally use the cgiirc on his server....it well died
[05:45] <cbx33> ping ogra
[05:46] <cbx33> just reading meeting log now
[05:49] <cbx33> anyone know of a freenode cgiirc that has free channel choice and is reliable
[05:59] <rockprincess> hello? is anybody out there?
[05:59] <cbx33> indeed we are
[05:59] <ogra> sure
[05:59] <cbx33> ogra, dude, I'm so sorry
[05:59] <cbx33> I was trying all day to get in
[06:00] <cbx33> but our ISP at the school is so dodgy lately
[06:00] <ogra> well, lets just discuss the topic next meeting
[06:00] <ogra> i dont see us in a hurry
[06:00] <cbx33> ok
[06:00] <cbx33> no
[06:00] <rockprincess> i've got some splendid news :)
[06:00] <cbx33> go for it
[06:00] <ogra> shoot
[06:00] <rockprincess> i'm meeting my ex-teacher wednesday, next week!
[06:01] <rockprincess> i'm gonna present my edubuntu project on my laptop, and hopefully she will agree to use it for her school
[06:01] <ogra> cool !!
[06:01] <ogra> thats very good news :)
[06:02] <cbx33> excellent...
[06:02] <cbx33> way to go rockprincess
[06:02] <rockprincess> then next week i can ask a uni professor to coach me through my bachelor assignment
[06:02] <cbx33> ogra, I enjoyed your blog post btw
[06:02] <ogra> thanks :)
[06:02] <rockprincess> i think i'd new a very good presentation to convince her that edubuntu is the right choice
[06:03] <cbx33> so did the kids
[06:03] <cbx33> they thoght the circles triangle thing was hilarious
[06:03] <ogra> heh
[06:03] <ogra> yeah
[06:03] <rockprincess> what would you suggest to include into my presentation document?
[06:04] <ogra> well, i have only a german presentation i gave once but thats only in pdf ... dont ask for the OO.o doc
[06:04] <rockprincess> i have everything installed that would be useful i guess...but i want to pinpoint the obvious reasons....
[06:04] <cbx33> rockprincess, does she have a whole day
[06:04] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LinuxTagTalk.pdf
[06:04] <rockprincess> ogra: that's fine....i'm german speaking myself :) i'm from vienna, austria!
[06:04] <cbx33> there is sooooo much good ;)
[06:04] <ogra> yay
[06:04] <highvoltage> ogra: nice session
[06:05] <cbx33> indeed
[06:05] <ogra> its a bit old, but should give you some generic insight
[06:05] <ogra> apart from that: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy
[06:05] <ogra> thats a very good document
[06:05] <rockprincess> cbx33: i guess only a few hours, and i guess she wants to talk about her new born baby boy as well......but even if it's just 1 hour of edubuntu talk it'll be enough....
[06:05] <ogra> highvoltage, thanks
[06:06] <rockprincess> ogra: excellent, danke ;))))
[06:06] <ogra> :)
[06:06] <cbx33> hehe ogra ;) - cool
[06:06] <cbx33> glad it came in useful
[06:06] <cbx33> one of our guinuea pigs passed away on monday :(
[06:06] <ogra> cbx33, its an awesome doc :)
[06:07] <ogra> oh no !
[06:07] <cbx33> it needs updating
[06:07] <cbx33> yup little trinity...our favourite little grey agouti pig
[06:07] <cbx33> it was so tough....:(
[06:08] <rockprincess> i'm soooo excited, i'd like to meet her this week already......i'm soooo impatient :(
[06:08] <ogra> cbx33, yeah, i belive that
[06:08] <rockprincess> awww sorry to hear that cbx33 :((((((
[06:08] <cbx33> thanky guys
[06:08] <cbx33> it's been a bad year for our pigs
[06:08] <cbx33> we started it with 5
[06:08] <cbx33> and now have only 2
[06:09] <ogra> ouch
[06:09] <cbx33> and one of those is poorly too
[06:09] <cbx33> soon it'll just the hyperactive long haired Goku left ;)
[06:10] <rockprincess> are you going to bury it?
[06:12] <cbx33> already done
[06:12] <cbx33> :')
[06:12] <maccabeus> ogra, you here?
[06:13] <ogra> indeed
[06:13] <ogra> :)
[06:13] <ogra> welcome maccabeus
[06:14] <maccabeus> hi ogra,
[06:14] <rockprincess> hi maccabeus!!
[06:14] <maccabeus> i'll take a look at the advocacy page (I had to step out a few minutes ago for a meeting)
[06:15] <maccabeus> hi
[06:15] <maccabeus> i've been interested in k12ltsp for quite some time
[06:15] <maccabeus> first real ltsp that I've implemented though was edubuntu
[06:15] <maccabeus> i'm running dapper in an alternative/special needs type environment
[06:15] <maccabeus> with donated eqipment
[06:15] <ogra> nice!
[06:15] <cbx33> rockprincess, http://www.edubuntu.org/UsingEdubuntu is the up to date ESA document
[06:16] <maccabeus> running server on a dell p4 2GHz with ide disk
[06:16] <cbx33> you should take info from there generally ;)
[06:16] <maccabeus> and some p3 1GHz workstations from compaq that just rock for netbooting
[06:16] <maccabeus> it's really sweet
[06:16] <ogra> sounds like :) you could even use the netbooted workstation mode with such big clients :)
[06:17] <ogra> (which will be in feisty)
[06:17] <rockprincess> cbx33: thank you very much for your help! i'll definitely use it!
[06:17] <maccabeus> students like it -- teacher likes it -- i've installed citrix client for him as well as groupwise client so he can get into email
[06:17] <cbx33> rockprincess, if you can think of any good ideas to update it
[06:17] <maccabeus> ogra, what is netbooted workstation mode?
[06:17] <cbx33> shout
[06:18] <ogra> maccabeus, feisty ltsp will have an option to build an ltsp environment that loads the full desktop on the client directly to save server ressources if you have a bigger set of clients around
[06:18] <maccabeus> ogra, so it does an image based install on the fly?
[06:18] <rockprincess> cbx33: of course I will, and I'm pretty sure I will have a few clever ideas, but I'm pretty occupied til friday afternoon...i'll read it on the weekend and then let you know what i think of it.......
[06:18] <cbx33> yeh sure
[06:18] <ogra> sort of ...
[06:18] <cbx33> really do hope it helps
[06:19] <maccabeus> ogra, what happens on reboot, another install?
[06:19] <cbx33> that's why we wrote it
[06:19] <ogra> ltsp currently only runs the X server locally
[06:19] <ogra> the fat-client spec defines to run the whole desktop on the client
[06:19] <ogra> no, you netboot like you would do with a thin client
[06:19] <ogra> it mounts /opt/ltsp/i386-workstation readonly via nfs
[06:20] <ogra> that path has a full ubuntu install
[06:20] <maccabeus> ogra, interesting -- so I'd guess performance is better...
[06:20] <ogra> the plan is to have one workstation as "master workstation" where yu can make all changes to the system
[06:20] <ogra> that are then picked up by all others on next bot
[06:20] <ogra> *boot
[06:21] <ogra> yeah, you should be able to run several hundret clients on one server in this setup
[06:21] <ogra> but the clients need to be bigger
[06:22] <ogra> i.e 1Ghz at least and 256M
[06:22] <maccabeus> Nice -- right -- they have to have a bit more muscle...I would definitely recommend keeping both options so you can choose your own adventure :)
[06:22] <ogra> while thin clients run fine with 300Mhz and 32M
[06:22] <maccabeus> Has anyone run edubuntu on a sparc server yet?
[06:22] <ogra> indeed it will only be an additional option ...
[06:22] <ogra> the default will stay a classic ltsp
[06:23] <ogra> not that i know of ...
[06:23] <ogra> i know fabbione tried ltsp on sparc and some people in debian have tried it as well
[06:23] <ogra> but edubuntu as a whole wasnt brought to my attention for sparc yet
[06:23] <ogra> i'd love to hear somethin from that area :)
[06:24] <cbx33> ogra, that feisty ltsp setup sounds awesome
[06:24] <ogra> its all standing and falling with the network authentication and ability to mount /home from an nfs server
[06:25] <maccabeus> I guess it might be a better strategy, if someone had the money or connection to get new Sun equipment, to go with one of their AMD multiproc servers
[06:25] <ogra> only if that is implemented we'll be able to implement the other pieces
[06:25] <ogra> the AMD systems shouldnt be a prob at all
[06:25] <maccabeus> so are you going the ldap route for auth?
[06:25] <ogra> yep
[06:25] <ogra> we'll use the sambaldap tools from moquist_
[06:25] <maccabeus> mounting /home from nfs is old school for some folks (I've not messed with nfs much)
[06:26] <ogra> they are already running fine on ubuntu environments ...
[06:26] <cbx33> ogra, is that just an nfs share....of are we looking for cifs too?
[06:26] <maccabeus> I'd imagine that PAM/SAMBA/LDAP integration would be the glue I'd look at for the auth piece
[06:26] <cbx33> indeed
[06:26] <ogra> well, doing it automatically on login is not as easy :)
[06:26] <cbx33> indeed not
[06:26] <cbx33> I manage to get it 90% working in dapper
[06:26] <ogra> right it will be ldap and pam ...
[06:27] <ogra> for the start we said we'd onyl do NFS shares and grow into cifs alter
[06:27] <ogra> later
[06:27] <maccabeus> ldap adds a significant layer of complexity for me as a sysadmin -- so it would require some good interface/ui for teachers to maintain/use
[06:27] <ogra> we'll use edsadmin
[06:28] <ogra> moquist_ is already in contact with uphstream to get it workig flawless for us
[06:28] <maccabeus> haven't heard of that -- I'll have to check it out
[06:28] <ogra> its a very simplified ldap usermanagement tool
[06:28] <ogra> really focusing o usermanagement only
[06:28] <ogra> the plan is to replace the users-admin from gnome with it as soon as you have edubuntu-auth-server or edubuntu-auth-client installed
[06:29] <moquist> ogra: hiya :)
[06:29] <ogra> hey moquist !!
[06:29] <ogra> i'm finally home
[06:29] <ogra> preparing the first milestone CD this week
[06:30] <ogra> from next week on i should have lots of spare cycles for new development then
[06:30] <maccabeus> looks easy from the screenshots
[06:30] <moquist> ogra: I'm getting my NH state tech-ed conference presentations (on Moodle portfolios and OSS apps) out of the way today so I can get on to the next TODO: Edubuntu Feisty. :)
[06:30] <moquist> ogra: sounds like we're basically in sync, then. Excellent.
[06:30] <ogra> yay
[06:30] <maccabeus> catch you later ogra --
[06:30] <ogra> to much travelling recently ..
[06:31] <ogra> yeah, bbl
[08:43] <cbx33> !seen LaserJock
[08:43] <ubotu> I last saw LaserJock (n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock) 18m 51s ago, quiting: "Leaving"
[08:43] <cbx33> damn it
[09:20] <cbx33> !seen LaserJock
[09:20] <ubotu> I last saw LaserJock (n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock) 55m 44s ago, quiting: "Leaving"
[10:17] <cbx33> hey bddebian
[10:18] <bddebian> Hi cbx33
[10:18] <cbx33> howz it going
[10:19] <bddebian> OK, thanks.  You?
[10:20] <cbx33> yeh good
[11:19] <LaserJock> ogra: you alive? :-)