[04:26] <atoponce> rjian: evening
[05:13] <elkbuntu> jenda, guess what im holding in my hands :)
[05:15] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: Squid!
[05:15] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: Results of the survey!
[05:19] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, posters
[05:19] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, im still v.slowly working through the surveys... very very slowly
[05:19] <tonyyarusso> hehe
[05:20] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: you should talk with mdz about merging the ubuntu counter with the hwdb
[08:14] <YoussefAssad> surveys; cool. How much data, out of curiosity?
[08:17] <tonyyarusso> YoussefAssad: Oodles
[08:18] <elkbuntu> YoussefAssad, thousands of submissions
[08:20] <YoussefAssad> format?
[08:21] <YoussefAssad> Paper? Or something which lends itelf better to a little awking and csv-in-spreadsheet'ing?
[08:39] <elkbuntu> YoussefAssad, stored in mysql, yes. but it's a matter of having the time to do it
[08:54] <YoussefAssad> elkbuntu: any chance a mysql dump or some comparably transparent format can be dumped anywhere?
[08:54] <elkbuntu> YoussefAssad, once i've had my fun
[08:55] <YoussefAssad> elkbuntu.fun.__doc__
[08:59] <YoussefAssad> ?
[09:35] <rjian> Ping me 
[09:35] <Burgundavia> ping rjian
[09:36] <rjian> hello corey
[11:18] <jenda> elkbuntu: yay :)
[11:44] <elkbuntu> jenda, :D
[11:45] <jenda> elkbuntu: Ever heard of Yuri Kozlov?
[11:45] <jenda> He was mentioned in the UWN a few times along with the Google SoC.
[11:45] <YoussefAssad> elkbuntu: do you know when us mortals will see the survey data, approximately?
[11:46] <elkbuntu> jenda, the name sounds sorta familiar, but it's easy to get confused
[11:46] <elkbuntu> YoussefAssad, no
[11:46] <jenda> Anyway... this poor soul would like to buy 30 Kubuntu stickers... but can only get 23!!! :( You know who's fault it is ;)
[11:47] <elkbuntu> hehehe, i'll send the remaining 7 his way if he likes
[11:47] <YoussefAssad> So, you are proceeding slowly, you have no plans for releasing survey data, and you are not interested in exploring the capabilities or data analysis experience of people on the team. Have I got it right?
[11:48] <jenda> elkbuntu: BTW, I was forced to make a little notice for the customs office on the package this time. I hope they don't make you pay anything.
[11:49] <YoussefAssad> jenda: they don't generate income, so that should be fine. Tax law from that perspective tends to be relatively uniform
[11:49] <elkbuntu> YoussefAssad, your tone in that sentence reeks of entitlement and i do not appreciate it.
[11:49] <jenda> please do stay friendly, you two :)
[11:50] <jenda> Keep the ubuntu spirit.
[11:50] <jenda> YoussefAssad: well, they do generate income, just not for me.
[11:50] <jenda> and even, they do generate income for me too - 7.4 US per poster :)
[11:51] <YoussefAssad> jenda: True, but that income is so far downstream and so intangible (in the sense that it is difficult to quantify, as cost savings tend to be) that, practically, you're still fine
[11:51] <YoussefAssad> oh. 
[11:51] <YoussefAssad> That might be diffeent, jenda 
[11:51] <jenda> Not really. Noone can prove that the payments and the posters are related.
[11:51] <jenda> In fact, I seriously doubt any government even notices the payments, since the largest of them is $25
[11:52] <jenda> And the way I see it:
[11:52] <YoussefAssad> elkbuntu: Is the data going to be published along with the nalysis?
[11:52] <elkbuntu> YoussefAssad, yes
[11:52] <YoussefAssad> excuse typos, fingers again faster than ssh can echo the characters back at me
[11:53] <jenda> Imagine a bunch of friends buying a box of posters together. They go to the printer, and each of them forks up their share of the price, and give it to one of them, who hands it over to the vendor.
[11:53] <YoussefAssad> elkbuntu: I look forward to poking holes in it. I cut my data analysis teeth on a 350 million dollar portfolio
[11:53] <YoussefAssad> elkbuntu: I would be grateful if you could give me an indication when this happens to save me having to check periodically.
[11:54] <elkbuntu> YoussefAssad, i cannot tell you something i myself do not know
[11:54] <jenda> The only difference from what I do is that I pay the sum first, and gather the contributions from the 'friends' later.
[11:54] <YoussefAssad> elkbuntu: Then I would be grateful if we could be transparent about why the data isn't published pending analysis
[11:54] <elkbuntu> YoussefAssad,  i have been
[11:54] <jenda> You can't consider such contributions income ;)
[11:55] <YoussefAssad> jenda: In any case, a lot of tax codes will institutionally ignore revenue below a certain level. 
[11:55] <jenda> Definitely.
[11:55] <jenda> I think $31.30 fits that description well.
[11:55] <jenda> (spread over several months too)
[11:55] <elkbuntu> YoussefAssad, however, i am not going to advertise the fact, as it only draws conversations like the current one which apart from having no value in the process, take up my time
[11:56] <YoussefAssad> Reminds me of a situation I was in last week
[11:57] <YoussefAssad> I was at a presentation where a non-profit claimed revenue of USD 75K/day on artisanal products. Which was bloody impressive until I asked the nice lady how many days thatwas a year
[11:57] <YoussefAssad> 3, turns out
[11:57] <YoussefAssad> in other words, money makes no sense if not contrasted with time. And jenda, I doubt your fiscal year would raise any eyebrows at 31 dollars per batch :)
[11:58] <jenda> Yep :)
[11:58] <jenda> If it did, I could make an invoice, but I'd be invoicing myself :)
[11:59] <YoussefAssad> jenda: Invoicing yourself is a great first step to money laundering. :)
[11:59] <YoussefAssad> Great new marketing slogsn: Ubuntu, the distro with the little marketing sub-channels through which dollars may be rinsed while bringing technology to the masses!
[12:00] <YoussefAssad> heh
[12:00] <jenda> So I _could_ invoice myself for marketing services :-D
[12:01] <jenda> I could invoice Ubuntu, I guess, since I consider the money generated to be Ubuntu's in a broad sense.
[12:01] <jenda> But I'd be the one signing the invoice for Ubuntu anyway :-D
[12:02] <jenda> oh well, tough stuff :)
[12:02] <jenda> I'll just pretend nothing's happening.
[12:05] <YoussefAssad> elkbuntu: I'm very sorry you feel antagonized. You cam blame this: 08:54 < elkbuntu> YoussefAssad, once i've had my fun    response to my query regarding when you will make the data available.
[12:06] <YoussefAssad> elkbuntu: The sense of entitlement, I don't know... I guess it stems from me being used to open communities not just open code.
[12:06] <elkbuntu> YoussefAssad, a) your one of dozens who've asked. b) this is no different to you demanding a programmer make his/her program final when it's still in beta
[12:06] <YoussefAssad> elkbuntu: Again, you're sitting on the data so it's your baby, fully acknowledged. I'm sure your analysis will contribute positively.
[12:08] <YoussefAssad> elkbuntu: Friendly advice, if you'll have it: when people show interest, find out first what they can do before brushing them off. Little nugget of experience (and a mistake I made when younger)
[12:09] <YoussefAssad> elkbuntu: Of course, you're volunteering, and so am I (on different levels). So, no hard feelings. Apologies if I offended you. I'd do it very differently than you, but it isn't my call.
[12:10] <YoussefAssad> elkbuntu: from the perspective that you're a volunteer, thanks in advance for the work (which I know isn't easy; I spent 2 years a director of marketing intel! Hell on earth).
[12:10] <YoussefAssad> Now, more generally.
[12:11] <YoussefAssad> I suppose there's a chance I'm just getting long in the tooth, but I don't think this team is for me. You guys are doing great work, I'd do it differently on many levels, but this isn't my gig (and Lord knows I've got enough of those; www.mifos.org and eglug.org for the curious).
[12:11] <YoussefAssad> So, good luck with the team! 
[12:11] <willvdl> YoussefAssad, just out of interest, have you worked on any open projects before?
[12:12] <elkbuntu> ...
[12:12] <elkbuntu> he can give it out...
[12:12] <willvdl> I think I know who he is
[12:12] <elkbuntu> willvdl, hmm?
[12:13] <willvdl> Grameen is a massive micro-lending org
[12:14] <elkbuntu> willvdl, so who was *that*?
[12:16] <willvdl> grameen consultant
[12:18] <elkbuntu> ah, i was interpreting you as though you knew him more specifically
[12:18] <willvdl> no, indirectly
[12:20] <elkbuntu> regardless. he just made it awful hard to focus on writing up my session for tomorrow and saturday
[12:22] <willvdl> openweek session?
[12:22] <elkbuntu> yeah
[12:23] <willvdl> bummer it's on saturday. would like to attend
[12:23] <elkbuntu> it'll be the same tomorrow
[12:41] <willvdl> oh, missed that on the calendar
[12:48] <elkbuntu> now you can be happy :)
[05:50] <cbx33> dudes
[06:58] <danbuchWork> ...so about them SpreadUbuntu project, yes?
[07:04] <jenda> danbuch929: oh yes, yes :)
[07:06] <danbuchWork> Current Status:
[07:07] <danbuchWork> working with Cheetah template part of Skeletonz
[07:08] <danbuchWork> there are a TON of plugins available (wiki, RSS, etc)
[07:08] <danbuchWork> ...so what I'm really needing to do now is get the (ahem) skeleton in place
[07:09] <danbuchWork> should I still be following the framework diagrammed by Jenda?
[07:09] <jenda> danbuch929: the one on /SpreadUbuntu
[07:09] <jenda> ?
[07:09] <danbuchWork> yes
[07:10] <jenda> no.
[07:10] <danbuchWork> :-D  okay...
[07:10] <jenda> We will need a new one.
[07:10] <jenda> It has to be more flexible, as it will start with only a few of the points SU had...
[07:10] <danbuchWork> gotcha - should I take a whack at this as well (why not?)
[07:10] <danbuchWork> yes
[07:10] <jenda> ...but will (hopefully) keep growing to something similar in the end.
[07:11] <danbuchWork> right-y o ...   I'm reminded why I was so gung-ho about a CMS :-)
[07:12] <danbuchWork> I've already told you, Jenda, but for the sake of log-readers, we've got the support of Skeletonz' creator in this endeavor - he's a big Ubuntu fan
[07:13] <jenda> oh yes, that's great newz :)
[07:14] <jenda> Roadmap'd: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/DIYWebsite
[07:14] <danbuchWork> Thanks, Jenda!
[07:16] <jenda> I will now edit the site content section.
[07:16] <danbuchWork> excellent - for my part I should get back to doing my day job :-D ...   I'll work more tomorrow morning on the Skeletonz stuff, taking into consideration any information you put on the wiki page
[07:21] <jenda> content section edited, danbuchWork
[07:22] <jenda> If your job allows you, do you think my message to the ML is still necessary?
[07:27] <jenda> you quoted it on the wiki
[07:27] <jenda> PLanning and discussion section.
[07:28] <danbuchWork> AH!  be rid of it, if you so choose :-D
[07:34] <jenda> there, done.
[07:35] <jenda> I took what was worth it and surgically implanted into the roadmap.
[07:35] <danbuchWork> much prettier now :-D  Thanks again for your guidance, Jenda!  You've got diplomacy in your blood, for sure
[07:35] <jenda> muhehe
[07:36] <jenda> My dad was the Deputy chief of Mission in Washington DC for three years - could be that ;)
[07:37] <jenda> thanx to you, danbuch929, for prodding it to life again :)
[07:37] <danbuchWork> 'twas my thought exactly
[07:37] <danbuchWork> the former, that is
[07:37] <danbuchWork> I'm happy to jump in!
[07:37] <jenda> 
[07:37] <jenda> enjoy your job ;)
[07:38] <danbuchWork> monotony? ... sorry 'bout the chatter
[09:28] <jenda> somerville32: watch your inbox ;)
[09:28] <somerville32> ... Whys? :P
[09:28] <jenda> surprise ;)
[09:29] <somerville32> Good surprise or bad surprise? <g>
[09:30] <jenda> Dunno.
[09:30] <jenda> Would spoil half the surprise if I told you, no? ):
[09:30] <jenda> *:)
[09:30] <somerville32> haha
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[09:32] <jenda> umm...
[09:32] <jenda> I meant the real inbox ;)
[09:33] <somerville32> Oh!!
[09:33] <somerville32> My mailbox <g>
[09:33] <somerville32> Am I suppose to get it today?
[09:34] <somerville32> haha
[09:34] <jenda> not really, but soon :)
[09:34] <somerville32> :D
[09:35] <somerville32> So, how do they send 10 posters to me?
[09:35] <somerville32> Do they try to stick it in the mailbox?
[09:35] <somerville32> Do I have to go pick it up?
[09:35] <jenda> somerville32: I believe they'll stick it in the inbox.
[09:36] <jenda> It's a fairly tight roll.
[09:41] <somerville32> Cool :)