[12:05] <gnomefreak> theres one that has alot of info in it. i saw it last week im looking through my subscribed bugs closing as i go along you can mark one as a dup of the other with those 2 whatever one has more info and best description of the issue until i fond the one im looking for if i even have it still
[12:06] <xeruno> gnomefreak, OK
[12:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73842 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.19 (restricted) "Intermittent crash using OpenGL, Nvidia drivers, 6600GT" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73842
[12:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73843 in aptitude (main) "strange arrow-key behavior after suspend/resume" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73843
[12:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73844 in xfce (universe) "upon logging into xfce nautilus opens and gnome-desktop appears" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73844
[12:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73845 in Ubuntu "Resolutions not available after Eft installation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73845
[12:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73846 in Ubuntu "indistinguishable mimetype icons" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73846
[01:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73847 in tagcoll (main) "tagcoll has been renamed to tagcoll2 in Debian" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73847
[01:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73848 in nautilus (main) "Nautilus overloading CPU (Stays at 99% all the time)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73848
[01:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73849 in ubiquity (main) "Error while installing GRUB under nUbuntu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73849
[01:31] <PWill> Have I missed most of Hug Day?
[01:31] <PWill> My school blocks IRC :(
[01:32] <sfllaw> It's still going on.
[01:32] <sfllaw> Hug Day lasts approximately 26 hours.
[01:32] <Admiral_Chicago> PWill: no
[01:32] <PWill> sweet
[01:32] <sfllaw> Sorry, 60h.
[01:32] <Admiral_Chicago> it's all day in evey timezone for the 29th
[01:33] <sfllaw> And since there are 26 timezones.
[01:33] <sfllaw> And I can't count.
[01:33] <PWill> heh
[01:33] <sfllaw> 26+24 = 50
[01:33] <sfllaw> 50h
[01:33] <sfllaw> That's what I get for doing an engineering degree.
[01:35] <PWill> hmm... wouldn't you only add 24+25?
[01:35] <PWill> wait, no. you were right.
[01:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73851 in gftp (main) "random crash while uploading files" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73851
[01:46] <sfllaw> Is someone from the MOTU SRU team here?
[01:50] <sfllaw> PWill: So ready to dive in?
[01:50] <PWill> I'm browsing unconfirmed and untriaged on launchpad
[01:51] <sfllaw> PWill: Any packages you're particularly interested in?
[01:52] <PWill> not really, just looking for stuff i know a lot about
[01:55] <sfllaw> PWill: Good good.  Let me know if you'd like help.
[01:56] <PWill> sfllaw: will do
[02:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73852 in php5 (main) ""dpkg -S /usr/bin/phpize" fails" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73852
[02:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73854 in spe (universe) "SPE has extra dependency: python-wxversion" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73854
[02:17] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69209 in firefox (main) "Mozilla Firefox  crashes, following links to (Many) other sites" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69209
[02:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73856 in avahi (main) "Faild to initialize hal!" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73856
[02:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73857 in firefox (main) "crasch when I try to access to pnpMyAdmin" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73857
[02:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73858 in gtranslator (main) "gtranslator crashes when copying text from translations fields" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73858
[02:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73859 in kleansweep (universe) "Installation of Kleansweep on Ubuntu (Gnome) fails to install kdesu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73859
[03:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73860 in mono (main) "Crash post hinbernate" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73860
[04:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73862 in cryptsetup (universe) "Add optimized cipher modules to initramfs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73862
[04:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73402 in xsensors (universe) "xsensors displays nothing and then crashes when closed." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73402
[04:48] <somerville32> Anyone around?
[04:48] <crimsun> no.
[04:48] <somerville32> hehe
[04:50] <somerville32> I've been in the Ubuntu BugSquad since the first day of September and have amassed almost 175K in Karma. Do you think I'm ready to join #ubuntu-qa? :)
[04:50] <somerville32> s/join/apply
[04:51] <crimsun> I'd say if you feel comfortable telling me what to do when a new bug comes in, then yes.
[04:51] <crimsun> meaning if you can explain why you'd do such and such, then you're ready
[04:52] <Cas> cry and run away?
[04:52] <Admiral_Chicago> i'd run and hide
[04:52] <somerville32> Cool :)
[04:52] <crimsun> that's just my $0.02, though. Feel free to apply as long as you have prior involvement and are courteous.
[04:52] <somerville32> Thanks. :)
[04:53] <somerville32> Ok, I applied. :)
[04:54] <crimsun> great, thanks for your commitment thus far!
[04:56] <somerville32> Thanks Crimsun :] 
[05:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73863 in update-manager (main) "xkb-data install fails with md5hash error on Dapper/Edgy upgrade" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73863
[05:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68809 in pouetchess (universe) "after about five moves the screen went bananas" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68809
[05:22] <ausimage> Hello... Is anyone intimate with firefox bugs??? I am trying to determine where to file a bug on firefox in Dapper.
[05:23] <ausimage> I do not want it to be a duplicate if possible...
[05:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73864 in grub (main) "[feisty]  scary message on upgrade" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73864
[05:25] <ausimage> The bug is that when closing firefox. it does not truly close. it just seems to remove it window, but it is still running. System profile is saying upwards of 80 mb on the firefox process. And you cannot open another firefox window, till you kill the other process.
[05:26] <ausimage> Is this similar to any bugs that have been reported??
[05:30] <ausimage> Anyone ?? I hate to add to the 600+ bugs or scan all 600+ at this point.
[05:31] <crimsun> ausimage: I haven't experienced anything resembling that in dapper, edgy, or feisty
[05:31] <ausimage> Hmmm. It is happening regularly...
[05:32] <ausimage> my daughter is using it most of the time... I know she plays flash games...
[05:33] <ausimage> crimsun: would that be the issue?
[05:33] <ausimage> she does not appear to have issue with flash though.
[05:33] <crimsun> which version of flashplugin-nonfree?
[05:33] <ausimage> um latest...
[05:34] <crimsun> latest for which Ubuntu release? :)
[05:34] <ausimage> dapper 9.*
[05:35] <crimsun> errL
[05:35] <crimsun> dpkg -l flashplugin-nonfree|grep ^ii|awk '{print $3}'
[05:35] <ausimage> yeah I would have to doube check but it is the new version 9. series
[05:40] <ausimage> crimsun: 9.0.21.7.8~ubuntu1
[05:40] <crimsun> that um.
[05:40] <crimsun> that can't be right.
[05:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73865 in realtime-lsm (universe) ""realtime" is now "realcap" but init scripts do not reflect this change" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73865
[05:41] <ausimage> crimsun ???
[05:41] <crimsun> there was never any such version
[05:41] <ausimage> uhh .78 not .7.8
[05:42] <crimsun> so you're using the edgy version on dapper?
[05:42] <crimsun> sorry, an older feisty version
[05:42] <ausimage> hmmm no I have no edgy repos on that machine...
[05:42] <crimsun> 9.0.21.78.2ubuntu1 is the current feisty version
[05:43] <ausimage> does that backport easily ??? crimsun
[05:44] <crimsun> it runs on dapper, yes
[05:44] <crimsun> it's very much unsupported, however
[05:44] <ausimage> K maybe I will try that and see if the problem goes away....
[05:45] <ausimage> I really hate to add to that firefox buglist :(
[05:45] <crimsun> I doubt it's a flashplugin-nonfree issue
[05:45] <ausimage> I saw something about leaks in the bugs on firefox but none said that they could not restart the appp
[05:46] <crimsun> remove all plugins and extensions, back up and delete your ~/.mozilla, and attempt to reproduce the symptoms
[05:47] <ausimage> crimusn is there away to filter the bugs by there content.  I will work on that, but my daughter will not be happy without flash:(
[05:48] <ausimage> I am really trying to wean her off M$....
[05:49] <crimsun> use keywords
[05:51] <ausimage> crimsun how is that accomplished just use the search at the top of the bug list?
[05:51] <crimsun> yessir
[05:52] <ausimage> cool... thanks... I will work on this get back here if there is anymore troubles
[06:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73866 in mesa-utils (main) "glxinfo crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73866
[06:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73867 in compiz (universe) "Tomboy notes are not correctly set as active" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73867
[07:10] <towsonu2003> ;)
[07:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73468 in compiz (universe) "crash if right click a totem in windows list (bottom)" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73468
[07:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73471 in compiz (universe) "missing some refresh when playing a video" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73471
[07:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73473 in compiz (universe) "Very hi CPU in firefox and gnome-terminal" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73473
[08:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73869 in firefox (main) "crash on start-up 2x" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73869
[08:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73870 in gthumb (main) "TIFF faxes display black & white but print black & black" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73870
[08:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71351 in xfdesktop4 (main) "hidden menu items reappear after including them" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71351
[08:53] <somerville32> 71351 isn't new :/
[08:56] <dholbach> good morning
[09:02] <somerville32> Hey :)
[09:02] <somerville32> dbolbach: I enjoyed your session. :)
[09:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73873 in uim (universe) "Japanese language input method (SCIM) in EDGY" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73873
[09:07] <dholbach> somerville32: thanks a lot :)
[09:07] <somerville32> :] 
[09:07] <somerville32> Are we going to have regular hug days again?
[09:08] <Hobbsee> there's one on today?
[09:08] <dholbach> there was yesterday
[09:08] <Hobbsee> nope, yesterday
[09:08] <dholbach> sfllaw's announce was a bit short notice probably
[09:08] <dholbach> but oh well - we should have regular HUG DAYs again
[09:09] <somerville32> dholbach: Btw, I dunno if you noticed but I applied for ubuntu-qa last night. I'm not sure if I'm ready (Though I feel very confident working with bugs) but I thought I'd just let you know. If I'm not ready, maybe I could get a few pointers? : )
[09:10] <dholbach> somerville32: usually sfllaw does ubuntu-qa approvals
[09:10] <somerville32> Alrighty :] 
[09:11] <somerville32> Thanks anyhow : )
[09:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73874 in gxine (main) "Some gxine preferences aren't accessible from the gui" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73874
[09:26] <Hobbsee> dholbach: you around?
[09:26] <dholbach> Hobbsee: yep
[09:26] <dholbach> heya seb128
[09:27] <seb128> hey dholbach
[09:27] <Hobbsee> dholbach: if we've got a couple of SRU bits, have been in proposed for over 7 days, and have reports of them working, what do we do then?
[09:27] <dholbach> :-)
[09:27] <dholbach> Hobbsee: did you ping on the bug again?
[09:28] <Hobbsee> dholbach: ping who, sorry?
[09:28] <dholbach> Hobbsee: on the bug
[09:28] <Hobbsee>  https://launchpad.net/bugs/69494
[09:28] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/67889
[09:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67889 in kdebase "(edgy) SRU: KDE crashes when logout is canceled" [Medium,Fix committed] 
[09:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 69494 in kopete "Kopete 0.12.3 can't log in to ICQ anymore" [Unknown,Fix released] 
[09:28] <Hobbsee> are the bugs in question
[09:28] <dholbach> just write   "ping?"  in a comment :)
[09:28] <Hobbsee> dholbach: i dont understand.  usually pinging involves a person?
[09:28] <dholbach> there should be people subscribed to it, no?
[09:28] <Hobbsee> what for?
[09:28] <Hobbsee> yes
[09:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73876 in gpaint (main) "Cannot select rectangle or square area" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73876
[09:32] <dholbach> the motu-sru team is not subscribed
[09:33] <dholbach> Hobbsee: ^
[09:33] <dholbach> hey mvo
[09:33] <Hobbsee> dholbach: they're both in main?
[09:33] <dholbach> ok... sorry
[09:34] <dholbach> seems you didn't add a  verification-needed  tag
[09:34] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates - point 4
[09:34] <mvo> hey dholbach!
[09:34] <dholbach> Hobbsee: did you notify sfllaw?
[09:35] <Hobbsee> dholbach: i didnt write either bug, or do either SRU.  i'm not sure if sfllaw has been notified
[09:35] <palski> Speaking about SRUs, can someone take a look at bug #73780, does it contain all information required?
[09:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73780 in kdbus "[SRU]  kdbus (edgy)" [Low,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73780
[09:35] <dholbach> Hobbsee: you should ping him and ask what's going on
[09:40] <seb128> Hobbsee: that SRU is not good
[09:40] <seb128> Hobbsee: no wonder you get not reply when things are not done properly ;)
[09:40] <seb128> the debdiff is for edgy, not edgy-proposed
[09:40] <Hobbsee> seb128: i didnt write the darned thing, i didnt have anything to do with it, apart from following this email.
[09:40] <seb128> ubuntu-sru is not subscribed
[09:40] <seb128> Hobbsee: you are the one asking there
[09:40] <seb128> Hobbsee: that's why I reply to you
[09:40] <seb128> if you don't want a reply don't ask
 dholbach: if we've got a couple of SRU bits, have been in proposed for over 7 days, and have reports of them working, what do we do then?
[09:41] <Hobbsee> sorry, i've just had a bit of an...annoying afternoon
[09:41] <seb128> np
[09:42] <seb128> maybe a good idea to fix the bugs first
[09:42] <seb128> like attach a debdiff for edgy-proposed
[09:42] <seb128> and not for edgy which will not accept an update
[09:44] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, i see.  he's got a repo for it, instead of a debdiff.
[09:45] <Hobbsee> seb128: urgh, i see.    i'm not sure that patch would even work.
[09:45] <Hobbsee> seb128: apart from fixing those botchup patches, is there anything else?
[09:45] <seb128> point him to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates maybe
[09:45] <sfllaw> seb128: A few of your SRUs have been approved.
[09:46] <seb128> sfllaw: rock on, thank you ;)
[09:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73877 in gimp (main) "Wacom Lock up and Crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73877
[09:46] <Hobbsee> yeah, well..
[09:46] <sfllaw> Bug #65797 is interesting, because it has both main and universe changes.
[09:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65797 in totem "(Edgy) 'Fit window to movie' doesn't work at all" [Unknown,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65797
[09:47] <sfllaw> Does the universe change go in separately?  It needs five "works for me" before it gets uploaded to edgy.
[09:47] <seb128> we will not bother, no :p
[09:47] <seb128> the src package is main
[09:48] <sfllaw> We should probably decide on a policy for those.
[09:48] <sfllaw> Src package in main or universe .
[09:49] <seb128> decide on the src package I would say
[09:50] <seb128> Hobbsee: in fact your bugs have already be approved for edgy-proposed
[09:50] <Hobbsee> seb128: i dont get this.  apparently the kdebase fix has already been uploaded to edgy-proposed - why do you want another debdiff about it?
[09:50] <Hobbsee> so it seems.
[09:51] <seb128> Hobbsee: I don't get what you are asking if the fix have already been approved
[09:51] <Burgundavia> seb128: regarding compiz: I went through and set any bug from pre-Feisty (and thus likely compiz-quinn) to be NeedInfo, with an explanation of why and a request for testing
[09:51] <Hobbsee> seb128: what i'm trying to ask is "it's been sitting in proposed for the required time, yet sfllaw seems to have not been pinged about it, and people have tested it and reported it works.  so what happens now?"
[09:51] <seb128> Burgundavia: excellent, thank you
[09:52] <seb128> Hobbsee: did you have the "verification-needed" tag set?
[09:52] <Hobbsee> seb128: unfortunately no. i've set that now
[09:52] <seb128> ok
[09:52] <seb128> that's why
[09:52] <seb128> they should be on the "to review" list now ;)
[09:53] <Hobbsee> for sfflaw to review, and wait for another 7 days, presumably
[09:54] <Hobbsee> seb128: have i understood correctly now?  ^
[09:55] <gnomefreak> Burgundavia: in feisty it will be known as beryl correct?
[09:55] <Burgundavia> gnomefreak: compiz and beryl are seperate things
[09:55] <Burgundavia> compiz-quinn is now beryl
[09:56] <gnomefreak> Burgundavia: but didnt the bugs say compiz-quinn == beryl
[09:56] <Burgundavia> the bugs are filed against compiz
[09:56] <Burgundavia> thus I asked them to test compiz
[09:57] <Burgundavia> beryl is not yet in the repos, due to "issues"
[09:58] <gnomefreak> ah i was wondering what happened cause imbrandon uploaded them and someone the other day was playing with them after he uploaded them to "new"
[09:59] <Burgundavia> it will hit the repos eventually
[09:59] <seb128> Burgundavia: what "issues"?
[09:59] <seb128> I thought that nobody was interested to work on the packages simply
[09:59] <Burgundavia> imbrandon and others were struggling with some issues with upstream and how it was packaged, etc.
[09:59] <Burgundavia> no, there are 5 people working on and off on it
[10:00] <Burgundavia> hmm, is 1am
[10:00] <Burgundavia> I need to sleep
[10:00] <gnomefreak> its 4am her estill waiting to fall asleep
[10:01] <seb128> bah
[10:01] <gnomefreak> main is frozen due to herd 1 and yet i still have a kernel update?
[10:01] <seb128> I would prefer people working on compiz :p
[10:01] <seb128> gnomefreak: frozen means that archive admin can approve things they want
[10:01] <gnomefreak> oh thats right
[10:02] <seb128> :)
[10:03] <Hobbsee> heh
[10:03] <Hobbsee> but a working kernel is good!
[10:03] <gnomefreak> yes it is! but we will see if it works
[10:04] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: btw the koffice 1.6.1 is up again. it was down for a week or so
[10:04] <poningru> hooray 2.6.19
[10:05] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: yay.  it just got uploaded into repos, for after the freeze
[10:05] <gnomefreak> poningru: your late we are on -7 now we started at -1 or -2
[10:05] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: oh goodie i can get rid of repo soon :)
[10:05] <poningru> :(
[10:05] <gnomefreak> waiting to see if 2.6.20 gets accepted
[10:06] <poningru> whatshisface said we should
[10:06] <poningru> we covered that on UWN
[10:06] <gnomefreak> yeah well i keep hearing maybe
[10:06] <Burgundavia> benc?
[10:06] <Burgundavia> our lead kernel dev?
[10:06] <poningru> yeah thats it
[10:06] <gnomefreak> if it didnt come from benc dont believe it
[10:06] <gnomefreak> :)
[10:07] <Burgundavia> no, it came from him
[10:07] <Burgundavia> I can dig up the -devel email if you want
[10:07] <gnomefreak> no im good i just keep getting 2.6.19 was accepted in the -changes list
[10:08] <gnomefreak> so i wasnt sure if he was just pulling modules and stuff and throwing them in 19
[10:08] <poningru> woah
[10:09] <poningru> gnomefreak: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-November/022413.html
[10:11] <gnomefreak> yeah plenty of time to stablize it. and i saw him and someone else talking about that last week but didnt pay too much attention to it
[10:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73879 in Ubuntu "Adding Language causes immediate change which is difficult for a sys admin " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73879
[10:27] <gnomefreak> seb128: gdmsetup is #ubuntu-desktop team right?
[10:27] <gnomefreak> -#
[10:27] <poningru> hehe
[10:27] <seb128> gnomefreak: correct
[10:27] <poningru> hooray irc
[10:27] <seb128> hi poningru
[10:28] <gnomefreak> we need update on it. i cant remember if i filed bug or if i just commented on the gksu bug on it but it doesnt open in feisty
[10:29] <poningru> nn guys have fun
[10:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73880 in mouseemu (universe) "Mouseemu kills keyboard and mouse with kernel 2.6.19" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73880
[10:31] <seb128> gnomefreak: nothing to do with gksu, it doesn't work with sudo neither
[10:31] <seb128> gnomefreak: I've looked at that yesterday but I've not clue about the problem atm
[10:32] <gnomefreak> seb128: no gksu wouldnt let me into it a while ago because gksu was looking for su password
[10:32] <gnomefreak> and once that was fixed it didnt open wasnt sure if it had anything to do with it so i threw that comment on the gksu bug
[10:39] <seb128> hum
[10:39] <seb128> 2.6.19 has issues with my network
[10:39] <seb128> the card stop working after some time
[10:40] <gnomefreak> seb128: the -6 or -7 release?
[10:40] <seb128> 2.6.19-6.9
[10:41] <seb128> does it make any difference?
[10:41] <gnomefreak> i dont know thats why i was asking to see if it happens to me but didnt have any problems on -6
[10:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73498 in compiz (universe) "bottom panel not considered when maximizing windows" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73498
[10:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73881 in mdadm (main) "mdadm gives warnings on update-initramfs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73881
[10:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73882 in smart (universe) "Please sync from debian/incoming (overwrite ok)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73882
[10:58] <a7p> seb128, what's up? now I'm online.
[10:58] <seb128> a7p: hi
[10:58] <seb128> a7p: first thank you for bug triaging ;)
[10:59] <seb128> a7p: I wanted to point that crash files can be used to get a debug backtrace (apport-retrace by example) so no need to ask the submitter to get a new one
[11:01] <a7p> seb128, ah yes, I read your notice - thanks for the information - I did not know that (someone @the gnome ML once asked me to rereporte since I had no debug symbols installed - but I guess that was since it was a random crash).
[11:01] <seb128> a7p: bug-buddy has backtraces and no coredump
[11:01] <seb128> a7p: so for crashes with bug-buddy you need to install the dbg packages
[11:01] <a7p> just hope I am not causing to much chaos in the bug tracking system :)
[11:01] <seb128> a7p: apport crash files have the coredump
[11:02] <seb128> a7p: no, don't worry we are looking at changes and we will tell you if you do something wrong so you can fix it ;)
[11:02] <a7p> seb128, very good, just tell me if I am causing more problems than I solve.
[11:03] <seb128> you are not for the moment, it's all good ;)
[11:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73883 in grep (main) "[feisty]  A grep usage message appears on boot" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73883
[11:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73425 in udev (main) "warning at boot" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73425
[11:34] <fernando> moin all
[11:41] <mvo> gnomefreak: smart is uploaded and I requested a sync for it. lets see how quickly it will be in ubuntu
[11:46] <a7p> mmm ... I found a bug from 2005 reporting problems with composite X and properitary nvidia drivers - should I reject it as - not supportet and due to the drivers most likley not tracable?
[11:49] <a7p> and what about bugreporters using not the default, but an evidently selfcompiled kernel version?
[11:50] <a7p> - a vanilla kernel?
[11:52] <seb128> a7p: we don't support self compiled kernels
[11:52] <Hobbsee> a7p: i think so, yeah.  same thing for the compiled kernel, assuming it doesnt happen ona regular one
[11:52] <seb128> a7p: and yeah, you can probably close the old composite with binary driver bug, maybe ask before if he still have the issue (put it NeedInfo)
[11:53] <a7p> okay, thanks.
[11:58] <davmor2> I've just updated one of my own bugs for brasero but I think it might be either an upstream problem or a problem with the 64bit build is there anyway to find out?
[11:59] <seb128> davmor2: what is the bug number?
[11:59] <davmor2> 72692
[11:59] <seb128> davmor2: I don't think we patch brasero much, so that's most likely an upstream problem
[11:59] <seb128> bug 72692
[12:00] <seb128> bug #72692
[12:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72692 in brasero "It may be Brasero or it maybe Libburn no audio cd from mp3" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/72692
[12:00] <seb128> davmor2: yeah, looks like an upstream problem
[12:01] <seb128> davmor2: the way to figure would be to track the bug and fix it ;)
[12:01] <davmor2> thanks seb128 will update accordingly
[12:01] <seb128> np
[12:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73884 in language-pack-pl (main) "Polish translations lost after update" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73884
[12:09] <seb128> a7p: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/62430, that is a bug
[12:10] <seb128> a7p: usually when something is working in a confusing way that's not a topic for a spec but rather a bug to fix ;)
[12:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62430 in rhythmbox "FireFox associates .pls files with RhythmBox" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[12:12] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73885 in mcrypt (universe) "attempting to encrypt to openpgp format core dumps" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73885
[12:12] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73886 in sylpheed-claws-gtk2 (universe) "sylpheed crashes after downloading new mails " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73886
[12:12] <a7p> seb128, okay - I just saw it from a different perspektiv.
[12:13] <seb128> a7p: which one (just curious)?
[12:15] <a7p> a7p, I just thought rhythmbox not playing these playlists would be a missing feature - but you are right, the mime-type for .pls should not be linked to rhythmbox if it does not support this. I did not think that far (and was may be too tired ;).
[12:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73887 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "Edgy is slow and can't handle multiple apps well" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73887
[12:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73888 in Ubuntu "It happens when uses firefox 2.0" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73888
[12:19] <seb128> what did I do to get that many hugs? :p
[12:19] <dholbach> (for closing 247692467246 bugs in the meantime)
[12:19] <dholbach> ROCK ON
[12:19] <seb128> ;))
[12:20] <dholbach> . o O { he's a madman ;-) }
[12:20] <dholbach> i'm down to 26 mails in my inbox
[12:20] <seb128> a7p: np ;)
[12:20] <dholbach> that's good enough to move to the bug box
[12:24] <a7p> an OT question: Are there statistics about the bugs somewhere?
[12:24] <dholbach> yes
[12:24] <dholbach> they're linked from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad
[12:24] <a7p> dholbach, would you mind tellig me where? *g*
[12:24] <a7p> ah ..
[12:24] <a7p> thanks
[12:24] <dholbach> http://people.ubuntu-in.org/~carthik/bugstats/
[12:25] <seb128> it never stops going up :/
[12:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73889 in hdparm (main) "hdparm is busted in the hd? -> sd? change" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73889
[12:35] <ailean> dholbach, How successful was the Hug day then? :)
[12:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73891 in evolution-data-server (main) "build error trying to build evolution-data-server from .dsc, .diff.gz, and tarball" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73891
[12:37] <dholbach> ailean: it was good - we had a bunch of new contributors for the desktop team, which is great
[12:37] <ailean> excellent. i need to get involved.
[12:40] <dholbach> nice
[12:40] <dholbach> ailean: I'd suggest to take a package that you know already and have a look at some of its bugs before you start off looking at new  bugs yourself
[12:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73892 in gtk+2.0 (main) "UI components render with black backgrounds in GTK applications" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73892
[12:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73893 in cryptmount (universe) "Empty examples directory" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73893
[12:41] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs is a good start also
[12:41] <dholbach> if you're into Ubuntu's Desktop's bugs you can start here: https://launchpad.net/people/desktop-bugs/+packagebugs if you like
[12:42] <dholbach> and if you have any questions, just fire away
[12:44] <ailean> cheers dholbach, I got some good advice on how to start, I just don't have time right now :D
[12:44] <ailean> dholbach, you'll know when I do :P
[12:45] <dholbach> alrighty :)
[12:46] <ailean> hey Hobbsee :)
[12:55] <Hobbsee> :)
[12:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73895 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "crash reading RSS" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73895
[12:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73896 in linux-source-2.6.19 (main) "nic-firmware udeb gone AWOL" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73896
[01:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71365 in at-spi (main) "Java doesn't work property with at-spi" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71365
[01:18] <jonh_wendell> seb128, around?
[01:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73898 in ltsp (main) "X hangs occasionally when clients log out from ltsp sessions" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73898
[01:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73897 in Fedora (main) "the swedish keyboard layout does not work as printed on the physical keyboard" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73897
[01:37] <gnomefreak> mvo: thank you so much for the upload
[01:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73899 in xserver-xgl (universe) "Xgl crach after closing ut2004" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73899
[01:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71811 in firebird2 (universe) "error on start service before reboot" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71811
[01:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73511 in postfix (main) "Missing dependency for update-inetd" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73511
[02:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73900 in ardour (universe) "Ardour 2 is (nearly) finished" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73900
[02:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73472 in Ubuntu "The battery lifetime isn't functioning well" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73472
[02:12] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi people, sorry for the stupid question but, how do I add a package to the list of "affected" packages in a launchpad bug report?
[02:14] <ailean> 2 secs
[02:14] <Nafallo> hmm
[02:14] <Nafallo> update-grub does the wrong thing?
[02:16] <ailean> Le-Chuck_ITA, click "also affects" upstream or downstream
[02:16] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I want to add xserver-xorg-input-wacom to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/wacom-tools/+bug/40473
[02:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40473 in xorg "/etc/X11/xorg.conf should point to /dev/input/wacom instead of /dev/wacom and xserver-xorg-input-wacom should depend on wacom-tools (AKA Wacom support almost there... add some udev magic?)" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[02:16] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but I am unsure
[02:17] <Le-Chuck_ITA> if I click on "xorg" it seems like I can change that package, not add another one
[02:18] <ailean> no
[02:18] <ailean> click on "also affects" and select the package from there
[02:20] <ailean> okay, i think that has already been added
[02:20] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ?
[02:20] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I can click on "upstream" or "distribution", should I choose distribution, then ubuntu?
[02:20] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I think I got it now :)
[02:20] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it's "xorg(ubuntu)"
[02:21] <ailean> well, it's in Ubuntu, yes
[02:21] <Le-Chuck_ITA> yes I thought launchpad was somewhat more kind to ubuntu :)
[02:21] <ailean> but my point is that xserver-xorg-input-wacom seems to be taken care of with wacom-tools
[02:22] <ailean> which is already added
[02:22] <Le-Chuck_ITA> in fact I can't find the package
[02:22] <Le-Chuck_ITA> in the search dialog
[02:22] <ailean> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+search?text=xserver-xorg-input-wacom and look at the bottom of the page
[02:22] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ok, thank you
[02:22] <ailean> you don't need to do anything :)
[02:23] <Nafallo> so... anyone running feisty? :-P
[02:23] <ailean> not me :)
[02:23] <Hobbsee> Sysinfo for 'sarah': Linux 2.6.19-6-generic running KDE 3.5.5, CPU: GenuineIntel(R)CPUT2250@1.73GHz at 800 MHz (3458 bogomips), , RAM: 1161/1510MB, 133 proc's, 7.0h up
[02:23] <Hobbsee> Nafallo: me :P  ^
[02:23] <Nafallo> Hobbsee: does your /boot/grub/menu.lst have and recovery kernels after the latest grub?
[02:23] <ailean> Hobbsee, how do you find it?
[02:23] <Nafallo> s/and/any/
[02:24] <Hobbsee> Nafallo: not for the partition that grub is on, ie, feisty.  however it hasnt touched the recovery partition of my edgy install
[02:24] <Hobbsee> ailean: it's nice when it doesnt break
[02:24] <ailean> lol
[02:24] <Nafallo> Hobbsee: so bug in update-grub then :-).
[02:24] <Hobbsee> Nafallo: i'd say do
[02:24] <Hobbsee> * so
[02:24] <ailean> I'll wait a bit before upgrading then
[02:25] <ailean> i usually wait until the 2nd test cd
[02:25] <Hobbsee> ailean: do you know how to chroot?
[02:25] <ailean> in theory yse
[02:25] <ailean> yes
[02:25] <Hobbsee> ailean: sometimes it becomes unbootable, due to a bad package
[02:25] <Hobbsee> ailean: requiring a chroot
[02:26] <Hobbsee> if you can manage that, and just update && upgrade from there, you're fine
[02:26] <Hobbsee> ie sudo chroot /media/feisty su
[02:26] <Hobbsee> and then go in taht way
[02:26] <ailean> oh right
[02:26] <ailean> hrm . . .
[02:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73902 in mono (main) "Beagle daemon generates a high load condition" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73902
[02:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73903 in pyrex (main) "pyrex-mode should provide 'pyrex-mode" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73903
[02:26] <Nafallo> Bug #73906
[02:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73906 in grub "update-grub doesn't add recovery anymore" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73906
[02:27] <ailean> i dunno if i have the baws to do it Hobbsee :)
[02:27] <Nafallo> more fun that way :-P
[02:28] <Hobbsee> Nafallo: heh.  yeah, it is, rather.  after a bit of stabilisation
[02:28] <Nafallo> naah
[02:28] <Nafallo> it's more fun when it's unstable :-)
[02:28] <Hobbsee> not that unstable that apt segfaults
[02:28] <Hobbsee> that's more than a little annoying
[02:28] <Nafallo> hehe
[02:28] <Nafallo> one message to mvo fixed that bug ;-)
[02:28] <Hobbsee> didnt think of dpkg -i the new apt, at that point
[02:28] <ailean> i prefer showing people a rock-solid system that is a bit older than the latest devel that breaks. it sells ubuntu better
[02:29] <Nafallo> just had to remove some *.bin :-)
[02:29] <Hobbsee> ailean: true.  dual boot
[02:30] <ailean> Hobbsee, i have a spare partition i was saving so i could do that . . .
[02:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73904 in pyrex (main) "pyx file extension is entered two times to the auto-mode-alist" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73904
[02:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73905 in Ubuntu "confusing garden path sentence in the installation partitioner" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73905
[02:31] <Nafallo> Bug #73889 <-- biggest annoyance atm
[02:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73889 in hdparm "hdparm is busted in the hd? -> sd? change" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73889
[02:32] <Hobbsee> ailean: :)
[02:32] <ailean> Hobbsee, yes? :)
[02:32] <ailean> oh
[02:32] <ailean> sorry
[02:33] <ailean> i've had enough coffee . . .
[02:33] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:33] <ailean> 10 shots so far . . .
[02:33] <ailean> i'd better stop
[02:33] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:35] <ailean> this beryl needs a wee bit of integration into the programs . . . the borders look great, but then the harsh line to the grey interface on all the programs spoils it
[02:35] <Nafallo> mjg59 seems to try to integrate compiz better atm :-)
[02:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73906 in grub (main) "update-grub doesn't add recovery anymore" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73906
[02:35] <Nafallo> ha! :-)
[02:36] <ailean> was that coincidence? :)
[02:37] <Nafallo> que?
[02:37] <ailean> nada
[02:38] <ailean> what does Nafallo mean?
[02:38] <Nafallo> with? :-)
[02:38] <ailean> looks vaguely portugese :)
[02:38] <ailean> No fallo = I don't speak, I think
[02:39] <ailean> not that my portugese is great
[02:39] <Nafallo> ah. no. just something I changed to when I needed a new nick. doesn't mean anything.
[02:39] <seb128> jonh_wendell: now around
[02:39] <Nafallo> now I'm the only one in Sweden named Nafallo though :-P
[02:39] <Nafallo> hi seb128 :-)
[02:40] <seb128> Hey Nafallo
[02:40] <ailean> it's quite apt for an IRC nickname :)
[02:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73907 in Ubuntu "the installer froze when I changed the time" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73907
[02:40] <ailean> i checked, "I don't speak" is "no falo". not bad eh? :)
[02:41] <Nafallo> :-P
[02:41] <Nafallo> Nafallo is not no falo though :-P
[02:41] <ailean> it is kinda when you speak quickly :D
[02:42] <Nafallo> ah :-)
[02:42] <ailean> my swedish is poor too
[02:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73908 in Ubuntu "error activating XKB configuration" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73908
[02:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73909 in ltsp (main) "ltsp-manager doesn't work on ubuntu edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73909
[02:47] <jonh_wendell> seb128, ah... nevermind... :)
[02:48] <seb128> ?
[02:48] <seb128> if you had a question feel free to ask ;)
[02:48] <jonh_wendell> seb128, the bug was already triaged :)
[02:48] <seb128> ok
[02:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73910 in linux-source-2.6.19 (main) "please split out nfs-modules again" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73910
[02:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73911 in linux-source-2.6.19 (main) "cdrom-modules udeb AWOL" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73911
[03:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73912 in python-qt3 (main) "[Feisty]  qt module is busted" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73912
[03:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73913 in esvn (universe) "looks for help docs in wrong place" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73913
[03:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73915 in spamass-milter (universe) "Please upgrade spamass-milter in dapper-backports (if possible)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73915
[03:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73916 in Ubuntu "PL2303  disconnects w/o preamble" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73916
[03:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73918 in subversion (universe) "Update to match Subversion 1.5 interface" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73918
[03:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73919 in python-stats (main) "io module is not generally useful" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73919
[03:17] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73917 in Ubuntu "PL2303  disconnects w/o preamble" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73917
[03:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73920 in cream (universe) "cream looks for help docs in the wrong place" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73920
[03:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73921 in tcldom (universe) "::dom::parse not working since Hoary" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73921
[03:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73924 in cmake (universe) "Please backport cmake" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73924
[03:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73925 in arts (main) "nas output has a very poor quality" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73925
[03:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73926 in ltspfs (main) "ltspfsd: do not install this on the server" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73926
[04:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73928 in fontconfig (main) "fc-match returns wrong matches" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73928
[04:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73927 in gnome-bluetooth (main) "gnome-bluetooth crashed after trying to send two files with file-> right click-> send -> bluetooth -> Mobile_Device_ID" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73927
[04:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73929 in Ubuntu "Skype in Edgy: "segmentation fault"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73929
[04:33] <dholbach> how's the bug hunt going?
[04:33] <Nafallo> I add more than I solve :-/
[04:35] <dholbach> go fix some bugs! go go go! :-)
[04:35] <Nafallo> :-)
[04:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73930 in linux-source-2.6.15 (main) "Unbalanced interrupts for Core 2 Duo" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73930
[04:43] <bddebian> Boo
[04:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73931 in gdm (main) "login in nested window dies changing workspace" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73931
[04:50] <dholbach> hey bddebian
[04:51] <bddebian> Hi Daniel.  How are you?
[04:51] <dholbach> Hey Barry - fine fine, how are you?
[04:52] <bddebian> Busy, depressed, etc. :)
[04:55] <fernando> bddebian: take vacations on brazil and your depression will be gone
[04:55] <fernando> ;-)
[04:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73932 in xdg-utils (universe) "syntax error in xdg-screensaver" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73932
[04:57] <bddebian> fernando: :-)
[04:57] <dholbach> bddebian: is it that bad? :/
[04:58] <bddebian> dholbach: Nah, I'm just burning out on several fronts and I'm not contributing to Ubuntu at all right now :(
[04:59] <dholbach> bddebian: when will you be able to take some time off again?
[04:59] <bddebian> From work?  Dunno, the go-live date keeps sliding more and more :-(
[04:59] <dholbach> I hope the best for you
[05:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73933 in alsa-modules-i386 (universe) "Skype locks system for a few seconds on first open of sound device" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73933
[05:01] <bddebian> dholbach: Thanks man
[05:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73934 in firefox (main) "Firefox cannot spell internet" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73934
[05:02] <fernando> bddebian: if you need some help, just ask me.
[05:04] <bddebian> fernando: Yeah, you can have my job :-)
[05:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73935 in mplayer (multiverse) "trying to make a vcd with DeVeDe" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73935
[05:07] <fernando> bddebian: jobs not is a problem  for me, i have six years without vacation :P
[05:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73936 in initramfs-tools (main) "lvm script waits for 180s for non-existing /dev" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73936
[05:27] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73938 in lopster (universe) "[universe] : no menu entry for lopster" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73938
[05:27] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73939 in zsnes (multiverse) "[universe] : no menu entry for zsnes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73939
[05:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73941 in vsftpd (main) "vsftpd requires update-inetd for upgrade" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73941
[05:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73942 in ubuntu-meta (main) "Left-handed mouse button settings not retained" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73942
[05:43] <davmor2> can someone who can set security please take a look at bug number 73685
[05:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73945 in kqemu (multiverse) "Request for porting kqemu to Ubuntu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73945
[05:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73946 in update-manager (main) "Focus not returned to the application window after progress dialog closes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73946
[06:02] <davmor2> sfllaw: you back on here now?
[06:02] <sfllaw> davmor2: I am.
[06:02] <davmor2> 73685 is the security bug
[06:03] <davmor2> it's only listed briefly as such in the first line the main complaint was a different bug all together
[06:05] <davmor2> I kinda highlighted the more important part after closing the bug as the main part worked
[06:06] <sfllaw> I don't think that's a security bug.
[06:06] <sfllaw> I'm pretty sure the application asks you for a password if it needs it.
[06:06] <davmor2> no
[06:06] <sfllaw> No?
[06:06] <davmor2> I tried
[06:06] <sfllaw> Hmm.
[06:06] <sfllaw> But then it doesn't work at all, does it?
[06:06] <davmor2> that's why I confirmed it
[06:07] <sfllaw> Hmm.
[06:08] <sfllaw> How does it get privs?
[06:08] <sfllaw> I will look.
[06:08] <davmor2> I can switch the network on and off at random
[06:08] <davmor2> I can change things switch it back on
[06:08] <davmor2> never asks for the password
[06:09] <davmor2> always used to in dapper
[06:09] <Admiral_Chicago> can someone chang Bug #73900 to "wishlist"
[06:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73900 in ardour "Ardour 2 is (nearly) finished" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73900
[06:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73951 in openoffice.org (main) "copyright file missing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73951
[06:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73952 in linux-source-2.6.19 (main) "no devices found for /dev/md0 at startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73952
[06:19] <jonh_wendell> ajmitch, is bug 65451 near to be solved?
[06:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65451 in gnomesword "[UNMETDEPS]  gnomesword has unmet dependencies" [High,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65451
[06:40] <dholbach> davmor2: try to disentangle the problems in bug 73685: 1) not asked for admin password, that's a dup of another bug, already known, 2) 'activate' does not work, 3) help screenshot is old
[06:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73685 in Ubuntu "Networking not working in version 6.10 AMD64" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73685
[06:40] <dholbach> davmor2: ask the user to file separate bug reports for that if needed
[06:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73953 in gazpacho (universe) "Error while adding Kiwi Entry widget" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73953
[06:52] <sfllaw> davmor2: Apparently this is by design.  It is transparent for admin users.
[06:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73954 in evolution (main) "Cannot create weather Calendar for Washington, DC, USA" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73954
[06:55] <theller> Hi. I've missed the bug-squad session, and have only skimmed the irc log.   Can someone help with https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/python2.5/+bug/72505 ?
[06:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72505 in python2.5 "python2.5 compiled with libffi does not support ctypes 64 bits integer" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[06:58] <dholbach> sfllaw: davmor2 is away for tea time.
[06:59] <sfllaw> dholbach: Man, I wish it were tea time here.
[06:59] <theller> Questions I have:
[06:59] <theller> 1. What should be done next with this bug?
[06:59] <theller> 2. If the bug is eventually fixed, when can I expect a new package to be released?
[06:59] <theller> Background:  I'm the (upstream) author of the ctypes package, and I *want* this bug to be fixed ASAP.
[07:02] <palski> theller: do you have the bug number?
[07:02] <theller> palski: 72505
[07:04] <palski> bug #72505
[07:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72505 in python2.5 "python2.5 compiled with libffi does not support ctypes 64 bits integer" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/72505
[07:08] <Cieffe> Bug 72113
[07:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72113 in rhythmbox "How do I get Rhythmbox to use a ssh proxy?" [Undecided,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/72113
[07:12] <davmor2> sfllaw dholbach so this is not a bug, unless it can be opened by users who are not admin
[07:12] <palski> theller: if the problem is serious enough, fix could be released for edgy, otherwise it would be released only for reisty
[07:12] <sfllaw> davmor2: Right.
[07:13] <davmor2> and the other part of the bug works perfectly so does that mean that the bug can be rejected with an explaination as to why?
[07:14] <theller> palski: the problem is serious IMO ;-), ctypes is unusable with it.  And it's probably easy to work around, python should *not* be configured with '--with-system-ffi'.
[07:14] <davmor2> but then thinking about it shouldn't it be a security flaw if it was a business?
[07:16] <palski> theller: then you should request SRU with the fix https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[07:18] <davmor2> sfllaw ?
[07:18] <Cieffe> hi
[07:19] <Cieffe> I have a problem with bug 72113
[07:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72113 in rhythmbox "How do I get Rhythmbox to use a ssh proxy?" [Undecided,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/72113
[07:19] <sfllaw> davmor2: I'm confused as to why it would be a security flaw.
[07:19] <Cieffe> i close it because according to me it is a request for support
[07:19] <Cieffe> but the reporter doesn't agree with me :)
[07:20] <Cieffe> how should i respond, or what should I try
[07:20] <Cieffe> ?
[07:21] <davmor2> just me over thinking, if the admin's machine is switched on anyone can do any admin stuff without a password. But like I say I think I'm overthink it now.  Can the bug be closed than?
[07:22] <sfllaw> davmor2: I think so.  Or duplicated with https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/59946.
[07:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59946 in gnome-system-tools "Admin tools require admin group membership" [High,Confirmed] 
[07:22] <theller> palski: Ok, I'll read that.  Thanks so far.
[07:24] <rulus> Hi, I've a question about bug triaging. What should I do with hardware not supported? (for exemple: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/50606). These are most of the time absense of drivers? Are these really bugs, and what should I do with them?
[07:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50606 in Ubuntu "Webcam of Sony Vaio doesn't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[07:24] <minimec> sfllaw: May I disturb you again for the BugSquad?
[07:24] <sfllaw> minimec: Sure!
[07:25] <davmor2> Cieffe I think the bug is dual purpose it is a feature request and request for help
[07:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73955 in console-setup (main) "Clobbered X screen state during installation" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73955
[07:26] <davmor2> Cieffe but it is not actually a bug as such
[07:26] <minimec> sfllaw: Let's imagine I sign to BugSquad. What would I do then. Would I hang around here for the 'triage' or how would that go?
[07:27] <sfllaw> minimec: The best thing to do is to pick a package that you like and go through its untriaged bugs.
[07:27] <sfllaw> Start triaging, ask for help here, triage some more.
[07:27] <sfllaw> Pretty soon, you'll be an expert in that package.
[07:27] <sfllaw> So if you see a bug for it appear here, you'll know right away if it's a duplicate or something.
[07:27] <sfllaw> Then, get interested in more packages.
[07:27] <sfllaw> :)
[07:28] <rulus|> Is my question arrived btw? My internet connection just broke down :(
[07:28] <rulus|> for a moment
[07:28] <minimec> sfllaw: I see. And I can choose the packages I want?
[07:29] <sfllaw> minimec: You bet.
[07:29] <minimec> sfllaw: What about unofficial packages like E17 or so. If thy signed to lunchpad with the projekt I could also work on these packages?
[07:29] <Cieffe> davmor2: ok, let it be a feature request, what should I do? I'm new to bug triage :P
[07:30] <sfllaw> minimec: I don't think they have entries inside Ubuntu for that.
[07:31] <sfllaw> I'm not going to discourage you from working on Enlightenment though.
[07:31] <sfllaw> But there are plenty of nifty packages that need love already in Ubuntu.
[07:31] <sfllaw> rulus|: That is a support request.
[07:31] <rulus|> ok, thanks
[07:31] <minimec> sfllaw: Is there a list of packages that need love? ;)
[07:31] <sfllaw> minimec: All of them.
[07:31] <sfllaw> :)
[07:32] <sfllaw> We all need more love.
[07:32] <minimec> sfllaw: So love is needed everywhere...
[07:32] <sfllaw> Yup.
[07:32] <rulus|> sfllaw: so these bugs can be closed with mentionning it's a support request?
[07:33] <minimec> sfllaw: I'll give it a try...
[07:33] <davmor2> Cieffe:  So am I but basically go to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses there is a nice polite selection.  Then basically reject the bug with the reason of feature request
[07:33] <sfllaw> rulus|: That kind of bug is, because it's a "help me my hardware doesn't work bug."
[07:33] <rulus|> ok, thanks a lot!
[07:33] <sfllaw> rulus|: If it's something more technical, like "ipw2000 has this kernel oops" then it's a bug.
[07:33] <rulus|> ah, i see
[07:34] <Cieffe> davmor2: but should i also open a bug in gnome bugzilla with this feature request?
[07:34] <Cieffe> or should i only point the reporter to gnome bugzilla?
[07:35] <davmor2> Cieffe if you look at the feature request statement there is a site address with for requesting features
[07:36] <Cieffe> davmor2: yes, write a spec?
[07:36] <Cieffe> but is this the case?
[07:37] <sfllaw> That is totally a feature request.
[07:37] <sfllaw> It's also a support request, as I think you can use a SOCKS proxy shim.
[07:37] <davmor2> Cieffe yes if it isn't there then it's a request
[07:37] <sfllaw> Like dante-client
[07:38] <sfllaw> Or tsocks.
[07:38] <Cieffe> ok, tanks, i reply pointing to the spec page
[07:39] <Cieffe> My mistake is think that spec is only for "big" request :)
[07:39] <sfllaw> Nope.  If he wants a new feature, someone's got to implement it.
[07:39] <sfllaw> SOCKS proxying is not a standard expectation for network software.
[07:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73956 in sound-juicer (main) "crash after ejecting CD-Audio" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73956
[07:46] <beerockxs> hey guys, against which package would I report a bug where a required kernel module did not get loaded for my onboard network device?
[07:47] <zul> dapper or edgy?
[07:48] <beerockxs> both
[07:48] <beerockxs> well, I installed Dapper, and it didn't work
[07:48] <zul> linux-source-2.6.15
[07:49] <beerockxs> then dist-upgraded to edgy, still didn't work, I had to modprobe the corresponding module manually
[07:51] <minimec> beerockxs: Did you add the module to /etc/modules?
[07:52] <beerockxs> minimec: I have not yet rebooted, I just modprobed it.
[07:52] <beerockxs> Do I need to add it to /etc/modules to make it work automatically after each reboot?
[07:52] <minimec> beerockxs: Try that first and reboot.
[07:52] <beerockxs> minimec: it's working right now, the problem is that I had to do it manually.
[07:53] <minimec> beerockxs: no. Once you added that module to that file, it will stay there ;)
[07:53] <beerockxs> it's a bit un-intuitive to have to load the firewire kernel module to get LAN working :)
[08:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73957 in bluez-utils (main) "Nokia 6681 and Dongle Bluetooth adapter" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73957
[08:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73958 in linux-source-2.6.15 (main) "MSI K9N Neo F needs ieee1394 module loaded to have working ethernet" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73958
[08:09] <Cieffe> should i consider the Bug #64917 a feature request too?
[08:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64917 in rhythmbox "Description of podcast episodes doesn't support HMTL formatting" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64917
[08:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73959 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "Computer beeps, then a "bug; cut here" error appears in my Terminal" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73959
[08:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73960 in Ubuntu "Files corrupted" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73960
[08:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73961 in pypoker-eval (universe) "Please sync pypoker-eval_133.0-2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73961
[08:17] <rulus> Cieffe: that bug #64917 seems like a real bug to me
[08:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64917 in rhythmbox "Description of podcast episodes doesn't support HMTL formatting" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64917
[08:18] <Cieffe> rulus, ok so i confirm
[08:18] <Cieffe> it
[08:19] <rulus> not for confirming though
[08:19] <rulus> wait a sec
[08:20] <Cieffe> rulus: but if it is  a bug, it should go upstream, right?
[08:20] <rulus> it should yes
[08:20] <Cieffe> I have dinner now, see you later, ASAP :)
[08:20] <Cieffe> thanks
[08:20] <rulus> have you read this page? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage
[08:23] <rulus> can please someone point out what is exactly meant by 'confirming' a bug?
[08:24] <rulus> for exemple, when there's a screenshot of the problem attached, is that enough to confirm a bug?
[08:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73963 in firefox (main) "Crash when launching Mugshot chat" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73963
[08:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73964 in gwc (universe) "gwc.desktop contains incorrect executable name" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73964
[08:27] <palski> rulus: there's a list which contains criterias when the bug can be confirmed
[08:29] <palski> I wouldn't confirm a bug that only has screenshot attached if nothing on that list is true
[08:30] <palski> but that's just me of coures ;)
[08:32] <Adri2000> should I reject or set to fix released bug 32449 and 64340 ?
[08:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 32449 in lopster "1.2.0 is an obsolete version" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/32449
[08:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64340 in lopster "debian etch has got version 1.2.2" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64340
[08:35] <crimsun> reject 32449; Dapper is already released, so there's nothing that can be done now.
[08:35] <crimsun> same for 64340
[08:35] <crimsun> (Edgy is released)
[08:36] <crimsun> in the description for both rejects, mention the possibility of -backports from Feisty
[08:36] <Adri2000> ok
[08:36] <crimsun> it may be useful to link the wiki page for the backport request procedure
[08:39] <Adri2000> done
[08:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73966 in grub (main) "Postinst script fails running update-grub" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73966
[08:40] <crimsun> thanks!
[08:46] <sfllaw> dholbach: Re: bug 65797
[08:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65797 in totem "(Edgy) 'Fit window to movie' doesn't work at all" [Unknown,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65797
[08:46] <sfllaw> Do you think that if the source package lives in main, we just skip the MOTU SRU procedure?
[08:46] <dholbach> sure
[08:47] <sfllaw> But who verifies the universe packages?
[08:47] <sfllaw> Should I?
[08:47] <dholbach> we upload source and we support source
[08:47] <sfllaw> The totem-xine binary is in universe.
[08:47] <dholbach> I know
[08:47] <dholbach> but a MOTU couldn't upload it
[08:47] <sfllaw> Support doesn't support binaries in universe.
[08:47] <dholbach> it's not their domain
[08:47] <sfllaw> Right.
[08:47] <dholbach> gcc has binary packages in universe also
[08:48] <dholbach> I just thought "there's nothing that MOTU can do about it anyway"
[08:48] <crimsun> it makes sense to ask whomever uploaded the SRU to also test those packages generated into universe
[08:48] <dholbach> right
[08:48] <sfllaw> Is that sufficient?
[08:49] <crimsun> imo, yes, since universe is best effort
[08:49] <sfllaw> Do we rollback the package if the universe binaries break?
[08:49] <crimsun> I see no reason to sacrifice main
[08:49] <sfllaw> I'm uncomfortable with having to choose between a fixed main package or a working universe one.
[08:50] <crimsun> fortunately universe is best effort, and there's usually a backport possibility
[08:50] <sfllaw> I don't think we're talking about the same thing, crimsun.
[08:50] <crimsun> yes, it's definitely uneviable, but I side with policy here
[08:51] <sfllaw> What policy?
[08:51] <crimsun> that universe is best effort in terms of support
[08:52] <sfllaw> I don't think we've written that down for this particular case.
[08:52] <sfllaw> Right now, I'm hoping to define some sensible policy for mixed main-universe source packages.
[08:53] <sfllaw> There are various options we can take:
[08:54] <sfllaw> 1. All the binaries go through main's SRU policy.
[08:54] <sfllaw> This is the safest one.
[08:54] <sfllaw> 2. Main's SRU policy applies, and we get at least one MOTU SRU approver to test the universe ones.
[08:54] <sfllaw> This adds latency to the package.
[08:55] <sfllaw> 3. Only the main/restricted binaries go through main's SRU policy.  We ignore testing on universe.
[08:55] <sfllaw> This is fast, but leads to breakage of the user experience.
[08:56] <crimsun> well, we would want (1) to be thorough, no?
[08:56] <sfllaw> Technically, we want all testing to be thorough.
[08:56] <crimsun> I'm fairly opposed to (2), because main should never block on universe
[08:57] <sfllaw> Agreed.
[08:57] <sfllaw> Even if we did a two-stage upload to -updates.
[08:57] <sfllaw> That would be annoying.
[09:12] <Cieffe> Hi again
[09:12] <Cieffe> :)
[09:12] <Cieffe> So i'm in trouble withi this bug 64917
[09:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64917 in rhythmbox "Description of podcast episodes doesn't support HMTL formatting" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64917
[09:13] <Cieffe> I don't know if it can be consider  a bug or a feature request
[09:13] <sfllaw> Have you checked in GNOME's bugzilla?
[09:13] <Cieffe> right!
[09:14] <Cieffe> you know i'm trying for the first time to triage :P
[09:14] <sfllaw> Yay!
[09:14] <sfllaw> From what I can tell, it sounds like a bug.
[09:14] <sfllaw> Podcasts are very web-centric, so HTML support is probably a given.
[09:15] <Cieffe> yes, i think so
[09:20] <Cieffe> sfllaw: yes, it his on gnome bugzilla form  2005-11-02 but is still "unconfirmed"
[09:21] <Cieffe> so i should only point bug to that page?
[09:21] <sfllaw> Yup.
[09:21] <sfllaw> Use the +Upstream... link.
[09:22] <sfllaw> I'd say it's a confirmed bug as well, if you can reproduce it.
[09:22] <Cieffe> yes
[09:22] <Cieffe> confirmed and link upstream
[09:22] <sfllaw> Thank you!
[09:23] <Cieffe> the question is, can i say it is confirmed if upstream they say "undecided"?
[09:23] <sfllaw> Yes.
[09:23] <Cieffe> ok
[09:23] <sfllaw> The bug exists and there's enough information to fix it.
[09:24] <sfllaw> Don't forget to put a comment in the upstream bugtracker pointing to our bug.
[09:24] <sfllaw> Just leave a friendly note with a URL.
[09:24] <Cieffe> ok
[09:25] <Cieffe> and i have to put an importance: whishlist or low?
[09:30] <sfllaw> Cieffe: Low.
[09:30] <Adri2000> I have just reported a bug in the debian but tracker using email, but it doesn't seem to work :(
[09:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73976 in evms (main) "Mistake in a evms string" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73976
[09:31] <sfllaw> Adri2000: It takes a while for Debian bugs to show up.
[09:31] <sfllaw> You'll get an e-mail reply when it does.
[09:31] <Adri2000> ok, I'll wait
[09:35] <Cieffe> sfllaw: mmm I can't change the importance, is it ok?
[09:39] <sfllaw> Cieffe: That's fine.
[09:49] <Cieffe> sfllaw: last bug for today
[09:49] <sfllaw> Cieffe: Cool.
[09:49] <Cieffe> this 71416
[09:49] <Cieffe> bug 71416
[09:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71416 in rhythmbox "Radio status message incorrect" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71416
[09:49] <Cieffe> it's already fix in feasty
[09:49] <Cieffe> *feisty
[09:50] <somerville32> sfllaw: Hey :)
[09:50] <somerville32> sfllaw: Did you get a chance to review my application for ubuntu-qa yet? :)
[09:51] <Cieffe> it's only a traslation error, shoul i close the bug and point out that is already fix in feisty?
[09:51] <sfllaw> somerville32: I need a better way of processing these things.
[09:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73978 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17 (restricted) "Cannot load drm module" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73978
[09:51] <Cieffe> because rhythmbox is't in rosetta
[09:51] <sfllaw> Cieffe: If it's fixed in Feisty, it's Fix Released.
[09:51] <sfllaw> Please mention why you're marking it in the bug comment, in a nice way.
[09:51] <sfllaw> Thanks!
[09:51] <sfllaw> somerville32: So I have three questions for you:
[09:52] <Cieffe> sfllaw: ok
[09:52] <Cieffe> thanks
[09:52] <sfllaw> 1. Will you promise to be polite to bug reporters, even when they don't deserve it?
[09:52] <somerville32> Yes. :)
[09:52] <sfllaw> 2. Have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance and understood it?
[09:52] <somerville32> Yes. :)
[09:52] <sfllaw> 3. Can you show me some bugs which you have triaged?  One or two is fine.
[09:53] <somerville32> Sure.
[09:53] <Cieffe> sfllaw: we should change wiki/bugrespons "If the bug is fixed in Edgy but still exist in Dapper"
[09:53] <Cieffe> with feisty and edgy :)
[09:54] <sfllaw> Cieffe: Please do!
[09:54] <Cieffe> ok
[09:55] <somerville32> sfllaw: Should I try to pick a few good ones or just point you to my launchpad page?
[09:55] <sfllaw> A few good ones, please.
[09:57] <Cieffe> done
[10:00] <Cieffe> All done, see you tomorrow
[10:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73979 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "Crash at boot with ipw3645 when kill switch is activated" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73979
[10:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71416 in rhythmbox (main) "Radio status message incorrect" [Undecided,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71416
[10:08] <somerville32> sfllaw: I'm just going to eat supper and then I'll give you a few examples :)
[10:09] <sfllaw> somerville32: Stylish!
[10:10] <Burgwork> sfllaw: compiz/beryl testing plan
[10:10] <sfllaw> Burgwork: I'm sorry, I don't have context for that.
[10:10] <sfllaw> Burgwork: Did we discuss it before?
[10:10] <Burgwork> sfllaw: if we are going to ship it by default, we are going to need a comprensive test plna for it
[10:11] <Burgwork> you might have seen that that I changed all the pre-Feisty compiz bugs to NeedInfo, due to compiz-quinn
[10:11] <sfllaw> Burgwork: Oh man.  Want to know a secret?
[10:11] <Burgwork> sure
[10:11] <sfllaw> Burgwork: We've never actually had test plans for anything else we've shipped.
[10:12] <Burgwork> right
[10:12] <sfllaw> Burgwork: I seems like a comprehensive test plan is not going to do very well.
[10:12] <Yawner> Howdy all
[10:12] <sfllaw> Burgwork: Having a not-so-comprehensive test plan would be a great start.
[10:12] <Burgwork> right
[10:12] <Hobbsee> sfllaw: i think there are a couple of kde SRU listed as needed-verification or whatever it is - if you could check the kdebase one for any regressions, that'd be cool.  it's already in proposed
[10:13] <Burgwork> however, I have no idea how to test a WM, save opening lots of programs
[10:16] <sfllaw> Hobbsee: I'm actually looking at bug 67889 right now.
[10:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67889 in kdebase "(edgy) SRU: KDE crashes when logout is canceled" [Medium,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67889
[10:16] <sfllaw> Hobbsee: Are there other KDE SRUs?
[10:16] <sfllaw> Are they tagged "verification-needed"?
[10:16] <Hobbsee> sfllaw: there's a kopete one, yes, but i'm nto sure that it's done all the steps leading up to that.  it's a standard kopete fix, from upstream, so i've never had trouble getting those patches thru in the past
[10:17] <Hobbsee> yes to the verificatino needed - but i'm not sure if it's even approved. it's all a big mess, and i didnt do it.
[10:17] <sfllaw> It needs to go through the StableReleaseUpdates policy now.
[10:17] <sfllaw> Because of bug 57153.
[10:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57153 in xorg-server "xorg-server 1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10.3 breaks X: "no screens found"" [Critical,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57153
[10:17] <Hobbsee> sfllaw: yeah, i know that.
[10:18] <sfllaw> What's the bug number of the kopete one?
[10:18] <Hobbsee> sfllaw: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kopete/+bug/69494
[10:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 69494 in kopete "Kopete 0.12.3 can't log in to ICQ anymore" [Unknown,Fix released] 
[10:19] <Burgwork> sfllaw: how do I delete useless tags?
[10:19] <Hobbsee> sfllaw: i believe they're waiting on a core dev to approve it.  or to actually submit a decent patch to it,  i'm not sure
[10:19] <Hobbsee> sfllaw: s/patch/debdiff/ - the patch is there
[10:19] <sfllaw> Burgwork: Edit Description/Tags link.
[10:19] <sfllaw> Just remove it there.
[10:20] <Burgwork> sfllaw: but there a bunch of tags listed with 0 bugs
[10:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73980 in gaim (main) "Gaim crashed and closed without any cause apparently" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73980
[10:20] <sfllaw> Oh those.
[10:20] <sfllaw> I don't know how and I'm not too concerned.
[10:20] <sfllaw> I figure they're just closed bugs.
[10:20] <Burgwork> except the clutter the UI to no end
[10:21] <sfllaw> We need a better way of presenting the tag cloud.
[10:21] <Burgwork> and some tags are being used for package names
[10:21] <Burgwork> which I think is misuse
[10:21] <Burgwork> https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=beryl
[10:21] <sfllaw> I'm not going to get argumentative about what you can/cannot do with tags.
[10:23] <Burgwork> right
[10:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73981 in xchat (universe) "[Merge]  xchat 2.6.8-0.2ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73981
[10:29] <Burgwork> sfllaw: do you mind if I "cleanup tags"?
[10:29] <somerville32> sfllaw: Can I send a few in a query?
[10:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73982 in linux-source-2.6.15 (main) "Another kernel bug at mm/rmap.c, process wedged" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73982
[10:30] <Hobbsee> sfllaw: for https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kopete/+bug/69494 core devs need a proper debdiff to approve it?  ie, is there any point in making one?
[10:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 69494 in kopete "Kopete 0.12.3 can't log in to ICQ anymore" [Unknown,Fix released] 
[10:31] <sfllaw> somerville32: I'm in a meeting right now.  Will look into it.
[10:31] <sfllaw> Hobbsee: I just wrote a comment there.
[10:31] <somerville32> kk
[10:32] <sfllaw> Hobbsee: A debdiff is required in the second step.
[10:32] <sfllaw> Hobbsee: But it looks like neither mdz or cjwatson has approved a potential update.
[10:32] <Hobbsee> sfllaw: ahh.  i get lost somewhere between the first and second steps.  it seems like they should be merged or something
[10:32] <sfllaw> Hobbsee: The first step is preliminary.
[10:32] <sfllaw> Hobbsee: It's the "should we spend our time on this" step.
[10:33] <Hobbsee> sfllaw: that's what it looks like to me too, which is different from what Riddell said in his email, but oh well
[10:33] <Hobbsee> ah, gotcha
[10:33] <sfllaw> Burgwork: It depends on what you mean.  Don't throw away any data.
[10:33] <Hobbsee> sfllaw: it seems like one heck of a lot of beaurocracy, but i'll prepare a debdiff later today?  or make fdoving do it, as he did the bug :P
[10:34] <Burgwork> sfllaw: yep
[10:34] <sfllaw> Hobbsee: It doesn't really matter who does it.
[10:34] <Hobbsee> true
[10:34] <sfllaw> Hobbsee: The debdiff is so that someone can make sure it's the minimal change.
[10:34] <sfllaw> And that someone is mdz, cjwatson, and me.
[10:34] <Burgwork> sfllaw: only removing tags that duplicate the package name
[10:35] <sfllaw> Burgwork: Why don't you ask the maintainer before you do that?
[10:36] <Hobbsee> sfllaw: oh right, you as well?
[10:36] <Burgwork> sfllaw: hmm, right
[10:37] <Burgwork> this whole tags thing was not well thoughtout and needs some changes
[10:42] <sfllaw> Hobbsee: I look at it when I do my testing.
[10:42] <sfllaw> Hobbsee: Sketchy fixes will be questioned.
[10:42] <Hobbsee> sfllaw: cool.  oh dear, that is a mess.  according to the feisty changelog, the edgy version is already fixed.
[10:42] <sfllaw> kopete?
[10:42] <sfllaw> I think you might have to talk to someone about it.
[10:43] <Hobbsee> yeah
[10:43] <Hobbsee> which is odd anyway, as i cant reproduce the bug even in the original version
[11:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73985 in gnupg2 (main) "[Feisty]  GnuPG 2.0 buffer overflow (CVE-2006-6169)" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73985
[11:02] <finalbeta> !bug 73955
[11:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73955 in console-setup "Clobbered X screen state during installation" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73955
[11:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bug 73955 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:07] <fdoving> Hobbsee: what debdiff? there are debdiffs all over the place.
[11:11] <Hobbsee> fdoving: just seen that, and commented on the bug report.  apparently the trouble was that it wasnt actually attached to the bug.
[11:11] <Burgwork> sfllaw: you get minions? you lucky man'
[11:12] <sfllaw> Burgwork: w00t!
[11:13] <Burgwork> sfllaw: get your minions in -ca
[11:13] <Burgwork> when they come
[11:13] <sfllaw> Hobbsee: The debdiff needs to be the one that will be uploaded into -proposed.
[11:13] <sfllaw> Burgwork: I can't get my coworkers to stay there.
[11:13] <Hobbsee> fdoving: ^
[11:13] <Burgwork> why not?
[11:14] <fdoving> sfllaw, hobbsee you're looking at the wrong bug.
[11:14] <fdoving> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kopete/+bug/69583
[11:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 69583 in kopete "SRU: kopete can't connect to ICQ. " [Low,Fix committed] 
[11:14] <Hobbsee> oh?
[11:15] <Hobbsee> oh, ther eyou go
[11:15] <fdoving> it's approved, it's uploaded, the debdiff is there.
[11:15] <fdoving> it needs approval by colin, that will happen tomorrow.
[11:16] <sfllaw> fdoving: Oh good.
[11:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73988 in upstart (main) "Wrong architecture for startup-tasks/system-services" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73988
[11:16] <fdoving> there is a version number change in the uploaded version, so the debdiff in the bugreport does not match 100%..
[11:16] <sfllaw> fdoving: Someone will e-mail me and tag it?
[11:16] <fdoving> I can upload a new debdiff it that is needed.
[11:16] <sfllaw> Yes please.
[11:16] <fdoving> sfllaw: yes, when the time comes. That's the next step, when it's approved by colin. (wiki StableReleaseUpdates)
[11:17] <sfllaw> fdoving: Excellent.
[11:17] <sfllaw> fdoving: All is good in the world then.
[11:17] <fdoving> it is :)
[11:55] <fdoving> nite.
[12:03] <sfllaw> lifeless: Right.  So you applied to ubuntu-qa.
[12:03] <sfllaw> Everyone has to answer three questions:
[12:03] <sfllaw> 1. Do you promise to be polite to bug reporters, even if you don't think they deserve it?
[12:04] <sfllaw> 2. Have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance?
[12:04] <sfllaw> 3. Can you show me some bugs you've triaged?
[12:04] <mc44> 4. What is the land speed velocity of an unladen swallow?
[12:04] <sfllaw> mc44: I don't know that!
[12:05] <mr_pouit> :D
[12:05] <mc44> sfllaw: the correct answer is "African or European" :p
[12:05] <lifeless> 1) yes.