[12:19] <somerville32> I dunno why more people aren't involved in ubuntu-marketing
[12:19] <somerville32> It has to be the most fun
[12:20] <Burgwork> it is fun
[12:20] <Burgwork> now work on that Feisty doc
[12:36] <poningru> Burgwork: quick question is this updated? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Projects
[12:36] <Burgwork> it needs to be
[12:36] <somerville32> What Feisty doc?
[12:37] <Burgwork> LookingForwardAtFeisty
[12:37] <somerville32> I should subscribe to the ml, shouldn't I? :] 
[12:37] <Burgwork> yes, you should
[12:39] <somerville32> Alrighty. Be there in a second. :] 
[12:40] <lotusleaf> Burgwork: is the marketing ML tied into NNTP?
[12:41] <Burgwork> no
[12:41] <lotusleaf> darn
[12:41] <lotusleaf> could it be?
[12:41] <lotusleaf> like some of the others for gmane?
[12:41] <lotusleaf> !newsgrou[
[12:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about newsgrou[ - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:41] <lotusleaf> !newsgroup
[12:41] <ubotu> There are Ubuntu newsgroups via NNTP at news.gmane.org
[12:41] <lotusleaf> !newsgroups
[12:41] <Burgwork> yep, sure
[12:42] <lotusleaf> Burgwork: that would be awesome
[12:42] <Burgwork> you have the power
[12:47] <somerville32> Doh. I'm all alone
[12:52] <Admiral_Chicago> Burgwork: how does the doc go?
[12:52] <Burgwork> ignored it last night, but going to work on it tonight
[12:53] <Admiral_Chicago> the looking foward to feisty
[12:53] <Admiral_Chicago> can i see what you have so far?
[12:54] <jenda> Hello marketeers :)
[12:54] <jenda> I'm on my way to bed, but just in case anyone was interested:
[12:54] <Admiral_Chicago> we're not :P
[12:55] <jenda> 404 posters ordered (sold/preordered)
[12:55] <Admiral_Chicago> posters not found?
[12:55] <jenda> generated $81 as a donation to the ubuntuforums (in exchange for help in promoting them)
[12:55] <jenda> yep :)
[12:55] <jenda> I laughed out loud when I saw the number :)
[12:55] <Admiral_Chicago> jenda: link to the posters sale?
[12:56] <jenda> ... and $190 for marketing purposes.
[12:57] <jenda> Admiral_Chicago: http://ubuntuforums.org/index.php?page=poster
[12:57] <Admiral_Chicago> thanks
[12:57] <jenda> The first use of the above cash will be a free poster donated to the winner of tomorrows quiz in #ubuntu-trivia 
[12:57] <somerville32> 10 Ubuntu Highway Posters - $25.00/US
[12:57] <somerville32> I thought it was a dollar per poster
[12:57] <somerville32> + $5 shipping
[12:58] <jenda> That's what it says... but that's including a $8.72 donation to the forums, and a $1.28 paypal fee.
[12:58] <jenda> So, somerville32 if you add those up with $10 for posters and $5 shipping... $25 :)
[12:59] <jenda> Admiral_Chicago: if you want to buy them, the donation to the forums is not mandatory - so 10 posters would be $15
[12:59] <Admiral_Chicago> jenda: i'll have to consider them, i'm a broke college student so I'm not sure :\
[12:59] <jenda> Of course :)
[01:00] <jenda> I'm a broke college student too.
[01:00] <jenda> (with $190 to spend on Marketing Ubuntu... muhehehe)
[01:00] <Admiral_Chicago> jenda: i may order some for MOSS
[01:00] <Admiral_Chicago> (my open source society at college)
[01:01] <jenda> my open source society = MOSS :-D
[01:01] <Admiral_Chicago> well Monmouth (as in Monmouth College)
[01:01] <Admiral_Chicago> but i'll keep that in mind
[01:02] <Admiral_Chicago> we did a really succesful talk on Ubuntu recently, and I got some more convertors...
[01:02] <jenda> cool :)
[01:03] <jenda> Anyway, you can get any number x of posters (preferably x>4) for $(5+x)
[01:03] <jenda> the $5 is the shipping.
[01:04] <Admiral_Chicago> well i'd be donating to the forums and all as well but I'll see
[01:04] <Admiral_Chicago> how long will they be on sale?
[01:04] <jenda> 96 left
[01:04] <jenda> I can reserve some, if you want.
[01:05] <jenda> I can even send them straight away if you promise you'll pay up :)
[01:05] <jenda> I don't insist on payment in advance.
[01:05] <Admiral_Chicago> no sell them, i'll buy some as soon as I have the funds
[01:05] <jenda> OK
[01:06] <jenda> My guess is that I'll run out in two weeks.
[01:06] <Admiral_Chicago> that's good, if i  don't get posters, i'll get a tshirt
[01:07] <jenda> hehe :)
[01:07] <Admiral_Chicago> what do the designs looking like?
[01:07] <Admiral_Chicago> is brown going to happen?
[01:07] <jenda> Indeed - it's rather nice that about 1/3 of the expenses will be covered by the posters already :)
[01:07] <jenda> I dunno...
[01:08] <jenda> I'm inclined towards black, because it would allow more choice of shirts.
[01:08] <lotusleaf> yes, black is good
[01:08] <jenda> and it's neutral - the brown they offer looks a bit too pink to me :)
[01:08] <Admiral_Chicago> i really like how brown looks, but black and white is also pretty sweet
[01:08] <jenda> hmm 41:52
[01:08] <jenda> black:brown
[01:08] <Admiral_Chicago> really
[01:09] <jenda> that's beginning to be significant.
[01:09] <Admiral_Chicago> why do you say black allows for more choices
[01:09] <jenda> I'll have to look around for other suppliers.
[01:09] <jenda> because this supplier only has 2 types of shirts in 'sandy' color as they call it.
[01:10] <jenda> No v-neck, no girl-cut, no range of quality to choose from.
[01:10] <Admiral_Chicago> Ah i see
[01:13] <Admiral_Chicago> where is teh marketing page on forums?
[01:13] <Admiral_Chicago> i can't find it
[01:14] <jenda> There is none.
[01:14] <jenda> AFAIK
[01:15] <lotusleaf> which is probably a good thing
[01:16] <jenda> Yes.
[01:16] <jenda> It's a decision we made as a team some months ago.
[01:16] <jenda> at the first IRC meeting :)
[01:16] <lotusleaf> awesome
[01:17] <rjian> hehe
[01:17] <jenda> mm... meeting...
[01:17] <jenda> I have some issues for a meeting... but I need a bit of time just thinking before I'm ready to discuss them at a meeting.
[01:18] <jenda> If the other projects come up with stuff to discuss at a meeting, I'll gladly call one :)
[01:18] <Admiral_Chicago> i think there is a LoCo meeting
[01:18] <jenda> yes
[01:18] <Admiral_Chicago> i won't be able to go tomorrow
[01:18] <jenda> but that's not marketing ;)
[01:19] <jenda> (it's related, though, of course)
[01:19] <lotusleaf> are there plans to beef up the media relations section of marketing with more ppl?
[01:21] <jenda> lotusleaf: I know poningru and matthewrevell were interested in that.
[01:22] <jenda> rjian: whadda?
[01:22] <jenda> 
[01:22] <lotusleaf> cool, that's something I'd like to look into as well
[01:22] <rjian> jenda: what?
[01:22] <jenda> lotusleaf: talk to poningru...
[01:22] <jenda> ...and get something out there! :)
[01:23] <jenda> rjian: what is that?
[01:23] <lotusleaf> jenda: roger that, thx =)
[01:23] <jenda> 
[01:23] <poningru> what?
[01:23] <jenda> media relations project?
[01:24] <rjian> jenda: ah ok the IOSN will host the ASIA SOURCE 2 will be on Indonesia Jakarta..
[01:24] <jenda> so...
[01:24] <jenda> is it an OSS conference?
[01:24] <rjian> jenda: yeah open source software conference..
[01:24] <jenda> ok
[01:25] <jenda> It's a little out of hand for me :)
[01:26] <rjian> jenda: they extend the application in Dec. 2 because they lack of Female attending the conference..
[01:27] <jenda> Can't help there :)
[01:27] <lotusleaf> lol
[01:27] <rjian> hehe
[01:28] <poningru> sweet
[01:28] <poningru> lotusleaf: we are trying to do that
[01:28] <poningru> talked to jono re that spec
[01:28] <poningru> I dont know if you saw the spec or not
[01:29] <poningru> jono approved it
[01:29] <poningru> we are gonna go ahead with it for feisty
[01:29] <lotusleaf> poningru: no, I didn't
[01:29] <poningru> hold on
[01:29] <lotusleaf> poningru: oh, that's what you were talking about the other day, that was related?
[01:29] <lotusleaf> that's what I get for not paying attention ;D
[01:29] <poningru> hehe
[01:29] <Burgwork> rjian: we saw that
[01:30] <Burgwork> disappointing
[01:30] <lotusleaf> rjian: money buys a lot there
[01:30] <rjian> Burgwork" yeah :(
[01:30] <lotusleaf> rjian: I won't say any more =)
[01:30] <Burgwork> lotusleaf: it isn't money
[01:30] <poningru> you can probably get elkbuntu to go
[01:30] <poningru> she is kinda in asia
[01:30] <Burgwork> it is conservatism due to the new military gov
[01:30] <Burgwork> rjian: disappointed
[01:31] <rjian> ops.. 
[01:31] <rjian> elkbuntu: is from asia?
[01:31] <poningru> rjian: I was jk
[01:31] <lotusleaf> Burgwork: true, I dind't want to raise that discussion because of politics, but wouldn't you speculate they've had "other" offers?
[01:31] <poningru> she is from aus
[01:31] <lotusleaf> didn't*
[01:31] <Burgwork> lotusleaf: no, I don't think so
[01:31] <lotusleaf> Burgwork: really?
[01:31] <poningru> yeah that guy just seems that ... uninformed
[01:32] <rjian> poningru: u from ASIA?
[01:32] <Burgwork> lotusleaf: it is possible, but I suspect more that it is more nationalism
[01:34] <lotusleaf> poningru: you gonna be here tomorrow? I'd like to discuss the media relations aspect of marketing further, but I'm growing sleepy O_o
[01:39] <poningru> lotusleaf: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/loco-press-releases
[01:39] <poningru> yes
[01:39] <poningru> will be here
[01:39] <poningru> rjian: from india
[01:39] <poningru> but now in the US
[01:40] <rjian> poningru: ah ok.. ur like a tourist heheh
[01:40] <lotusleaf> poningru: k thx =)
[01:40] <lotusleaf> poningru: && thx for linky ;)
[02:33] <tonyyarusso> Burgwork: Have you gotten a handle on this Turkish Kurd thing, and are we mentioning it in UWN?
[02:38] <somerville32> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9005462
[02:41] <poningru> tonyyarusso: the what?
[02:41] <tonyyarusso> poningru: Massive mailing list thread
[02:41] <poningru> oh
[02:43] <tonyyarusso> I'm still reading and trying to figure it out, put apparently it involves the Turkish government being upset because Linux (possibly Ubuntu in particular, but there's some confusion) is available in Kurdish, and they aren't fond of giving the Kurds the right to use their language.
[02:44] <poningru> which mailing list btw
[02:44] <poningru> oh sounding
[02:44] <poningru> hmm
[02:44] <tonyyarusso> sounder and devel, actually
[02:45] <tonyyarusso> Not sure how it got on devel, but it did, and that's where the input from Mark comes from.
[02:45] <tonyyarusso> Which is basically "Whoa, hold on folks, and talk to Jono."
[02:48] <tonyyarusso> http://www.kurdishinfo.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=5060
[02:48] <tonyyarusso> http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Kurdish_operating_system_under_investigation_by_Turkish_attorney_general
[02:52] <poningru> hmm
[06:25] <elkbuntu> what about me? no im not from asia, but aus is pretty close ;)
[06:26] <poningru> right
[06:34] <Madpilot> jenda, the posters arrived today, it'll probably be Sunday before I pick them up, though
[06:36] <elkbuntu> Madpilot, http://meldra.no-ip.info/ubuntuhighway.jpg
[06:36] <Madpilot> elkbuntu, cool!
[06:37] <Madpilot> I'm going to keep one or two, give a couple away, and give the rest to the local LUG for doorprize swag
[06:37] <elkbuntu> im keeping one or two, hanging one or two up locally, taking the rest to LCA
[06:39] <somerville32> I'm going to use the 10 that I baught to promote Ubuntu all through Fredericton, NB :)
[06:40] <somerville32> Anyone want to work on "LookingFowardToFeisty" with me?
[06:44] <Burgundavia> playing with bugs tonight
[06:45] <somerville32> Doesn't the cd come out later today?
[07:46] <dotwaffle> Burgundavia: It appears you made DL.TV ;)
[07:51] <poningru> he did?
[07:51] <poningru> link?
[07:55] <dotwaffle> Latest episode on dl.tv - he gets a mention on the OpenSuSE affair ;)
[07:56] <dotwaffle> Go go Patrick Norton for researching the subject ;)
[07:57] <somerville32> :] 
[08:18] <Admiral_Chicago> Burgundavia: how goes the looking ahead to Feisty?
[08:29] <Burgundavia> Admiral_Chicago: spent the evening poking at compiz bugs
[08:29] <Burgundavia> dotwaffle: geez, yet another place that mentions me
[08:29] <Admiral_Chicago> ah well i have a paper
[08:30] <Admiral_Chicago> maybe msg me tomorrow and i'll take another stab at it
[08:30] <Burgundavia> will do
[08:31] <Burgundavia> http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2006/11/the_open_source_1.html
[08:31] <Burgundavia> see item 3
[08:33] <Admiral_Chicago> i saw that recently
[08:34] <nixternal> ooh, the neuros in on there
[08:34] <nixternal> Admiral_Chicago: neuros is a chicago company..we did some osd hacking with them at a chiglug event
[08:34] <Admiral_Chicago> osd?
[08:35] <nixternal> on screen display
[08:35] <Admiral_Chicago> i thought so, just checking
[08:35] <Admiral_Chicago> i want to go to a chiclug event, but i'm here...
[08:35] <Burgundavia> they run elisa, mythtv or their own stuff?
[08:35] <nixternal> there will be some when you come back...we will meet up and go
[08:36] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: i think i saw them in a mag i was reading
[08:36] <Admiral_Chicago> btw, i'm going to set a date for a meeting, send an email
[08:36] <Admiral_Chicago> we can change it based on the feedback
[08:37] <nixternal> we need a location yet
[08:37] <nixternal> if we do the city..only 4 people will show up
[08:37] <Burgundavia> befriend a cafe and have them sell linux
[08:37] <Admiral_Chicago> i like the idea of a library
[08:37] <Burgundavia> then make it your handout spot
[08:37] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: Neuros OSD is on sale at thinkgeek
[08:37] <Admiral_Chicago> i saw it today in the catalogue i got
[08:37] <nixternal> ahh
[08:38] <nixternal> Burgundavia: i wish we had some cool cafes in chicago
[08:38] <nixternal> starbucks runs them out
[08:38] <Burgundavia> yep
[08:38] <nixternal> although, we got a killer hackspot though...an old flower shop..it is a flower shop in the front, and a hacking lab in the back
[08:38] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: btw, next time you are in Galesburg (i think you said you come sometimes) there is a cool cafe called Innkeeper's
[08:38] <Burgundavia> oh, crap, herd 1 tomorrow
[08:38] <nixternal> ya Burgundavia 
[08:38] <Burgundavia> forgot all abou tit
[08:39] <Burgundavia> however, not much has changed yet
[08:39] <nixternal> hey, get the mind out of the gutter
[08:39] <Burgundavia> sorry, mine never leaves
[08:39] <nixternal> Burgundavia: i started the kubuntu release notes...lost for words, or nothing to add..one of the two
[08:39] <Burgundavia> saw that, why I rememberd
[08:39] <nixternal> hehe
[08:39] <Admiral_Chicago> my mind out the gutter? man that cafe rocks
[08:39] <nixternal> i was struggeling to get information
[08:39] <nixternal> it seems all of the devs are on vacation
[08:40] <Burgundavia> yep
[08:40] <nixternal> im going on vacation this weekend as long as we don't get a foot of snow like they are calling for tomorrow
[08:40] <Burgundavia> this is generally the vacation week
[08:40] <Burgundavia> we got snow here in Victoria
[08:40] <Burgundavia> completely odd
[08:40] <Admiral_Chicago> "Easy to build, MAKE Open Source MP3 player kit. Audio quality is as good as an iPod, can access 65,000 tracks, play MP3s as well as 48khz WAV files, interface it with everything from simple button pushing to parallel ports to very powerful serial modes."
[08:40] <Admiral_Chicago> mp3 is a restrictive format, wth
[08:40] <nixternal> #neuros is where tehy hang out on freenode i believe as well
[08:41] <nixternal> the owner sits in there hacking all of the time..cool guy
[08:41] <Admiral_Chicago> it rained ridiculously today
[08:41] <nixternal> same here..it poored all day long
[08:41] <nixternal> arg...2am already..this is nuts
[08:44] <Admiral_Chicago> yea and i'm getting nowhere with this paper
[08:47] <poningru> to get to coreys part
[08:47] <poningru> ofourse didnt happen
[08:51] <nixternal> jsjs
[08:52] <nixternal> doh
[08:52] <nixternal> haha
[08:52] <nixternal> poor patrick norton
[08:56] <poningru> that is the dumbest tech show ever
[08:56] <poningru> thats made for grandparents
[08:56] <nixternal> haha ya
[08:56] <nixternal> it is the rebirth of the screensavers pretty much
[09:03] <Admiral_Chicago> synaptic is pretty cool
[09:06] <Burgundavia> gnome-app-install is better
[09:08] <Admiral_Chicago> i was able to lock a program, aptitude is such a beast
[09:56] <poningru> whatever dude portage > *
[12:40] <MenZa> jenda: ping
[12:41] <jenda> MenZa: pong
[12:41] <jenda> quickly, though :)
[12:41] <MenZa> :D
[12:41] <jenda> I'm on my way out.
[12:41] <MenZa> query?
[12:41] <jenda> sure
[07:12] <atoponce> jenda: ping
[07:15] <tsmithe> he's never around... just has his proxy sitting here
[07:15] <tsmithe> (like i do - thank's for the idea jenda!)
[07:53] <Admiral_Chicago> try again later (about 5-6 hours)
[08:05] <tsmithe> five ours from now would be one o'clock in prague
[08:05] <tsmithe> *hours
[08:17] <Admiral_Chicago> well i'm not sure his time, i usually talk to him in the evening
[09:42] <atoponce> tsmithe: well, i'm just wondering what i should be doing. i joined the team on launchpad, and really want to help, i just need some direction
[09:42] <tsmithe> ah...
[09:42] <tsmithe> it comes in drips and drabs
[09:42] <tsmithe> the main effort is to promote ubuntu
[09:42] <tsmithe> buy posters off jenda, and put them up around the place
[09:42] <tsmithe> hand out cds
[09:43] <atoponce> hmmm
[09:43] <tsmithe> that little ever-flowing undercurrent of free rebellion is always important
[09:43] <tsmithe> there should be more work to do with spreadubuntu, hopefully
[09:43] <tsmithe> hang on...
[09:43] <tsmithe> you can check out the bzr branch if you so wish, but that's not as up to date as diy.devubuntu.com
[09:45] <tsmithe> https://code.launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-marketing/+branch/spreadubuntu/spreadubuntu
[09:45] <atoponce> ok. so what can i do to help? it looks like diy needs some improvement
[09:45] <tsmithe> we need to persuade jenda to keep that page in sync with bzr
[09:46] <tsmithe> that way we can all work on it
[09:46] <tsmithe> another thing you can do is think
[09:46] <tsmithe> we are always in need of new ideas
[09:46] <tsmithe> t-shirts are in the process of being done, posters have been, as have stickers and cds
[09:47] <atoponce> $5.50 isn't bad at all for a shirt
[09:48] <atoponce> that's cheap, i think. you could sell them for more
[09:48] <tsmithe> not $5.50
[09:48] <tsmithe> 5.50
[09:48] <tsmithe> that's GBP
[09:48] <tsmithe> 1 =~ $1.8
[09:49] <tsmithe> plus, jenda's are only costing $6 per piece. probs cos he's in prague
[09:50] <atoponce> $10.82. still, i'd pay $15
[09:50] <tsmithe> that's only ~2 profit each
[09:50] <tsmithe> say i sold all 100
[09:50] <tsmithe> i'd make 200
[09:50] <tsmithe> not too bad
[09:51] <tsmithe> but, i don't have the 550 cash for the investment ;)
[09:51] <atoponce> ahh, yeah. that's the hiccup right there
[09:51] <tsmithe> indeed
[09:51] <tsmithe> so, considering i won't have that kinda money till later next year, i'll be pipped to the post with that project
[09:52] <tsmithe> but, as i said, thinking is all-important
[09:54] <atoponce> hmmm. so is the marketing team responsible for all the stuff you can purchase on cafepress, and other sites, or is that separate?
[09:55] <Burgwork> not currently, although we should do that
[09:55] <tsmithe> i dont think so
[09:55] <tsmithe> damn i'm late
[09:56] <atoponce> so, in your own words, what's the "purpose" of the marketing team? i'm failing to see exactly what our roll is
[09:57] <tsmithe> to spread ubuntu
[09:57] <Burgwork> no
[09:57] <Burgwork> to create the goods to help people spread Ubuntu
[09:58] <Burgwork> some of those include news articles, et.c
[09:58] <atoponce> mugs, shirts, cds. that sort of thing?
[09:58] <tsmithe> "diy marketing" stuff
[09:58] <tsmithe> atoponce, not yet
[09:58] <tsmithe> but it's coming
[09:59] <tsmithe> you could always do one ;)
[09:59] <Burgwork> yep, plus the UWN and the graphical release notes
[09:59] <Burgwork> I also edit the website
[10:00] <atoponce> Burgwork: which site?
[10:00] <Burgwork> ubuntu.com
[10:00] <atoponce> ahh. cool
[10:00] <atoponce> uwn...?
[10:00] <Burgwork> ubuntu weekly news
[10:01] <Burgwork> tsmithe: we shoudl probably define a mission statement, as it is clear that differnet people have different ideas about "marketing"
[10:01] <tsmithe> yes
[10:01] <atoponce> ahh. ok. is the marketing team responsible for the shipit cd's? or is there a shipit team
[10:01] <Burgwork> shipit is entirely canonical
[10:01] <atoponce> i knew that
[10:01] <tsmithe> but, Burgwork, do we really know ourselves yet? we should let it evolve a bit first i feel, but would that make it too late?
[10:02] <Burgwork> never too late to define what we do
[10:02] <Burgwork> and "let is evolve" hasn't worked
[10:02] <atoponce> i would be very interested in helping with the mission statement! :)
[10:04] <tsmithe> Burgwork, i can see that "let it evolve" hasn't worked. we need a passionate leader with vision, really
[10:04] <Burgwork> right
[10:05] <tsmithe> shanghai-ing?
[10:06] <Burgwork> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_%28verb%29
[10:07] <Burgwork> you said we needed a leader
[10:09] <tsmithe> and i think we do
[10:09] <tsmithe> but what's that to do with conscription
[10:10] <Burgwork> there are several logical people, myself included
[10:10] <atoponce> tsmithe: to shanghai someone, means to force them to work
[10:10] <tsmithe> i can see that
[10:11] <tsmithe> but why would it involve shanghaiing
[10:12] <atoponce> hopefully, it shouldn't
[10:14] <tsmithe> hi ompaul 
[10:14] <ompaul> evening
[10:15] <tsmithe> what is your opinion of the marketing team's "mission statement"
[10:15] <Burgwork> the need for, rather
[10:16] <tsmithe> yeah, that
[10:29] <MagicFab> I recall seing marketplace requirements somewhere other than at http://www.ubuntu.com/support/marketplace/join ?
[10:30] <ompaul> Burgwork, where is the current "motd" for the marketing team?
[10:30] <Burgwork> there is none
[10:30] <ompaul> hmm
[10:30] <Burgwork> MagicFab: possibly
[10:31] <tsmithe> define:motd
[10:31] <ompaul> message of the day - the "slogan"
[10:31] <tsmithe> ah
[10:32] <ompaul> Burgwork, perhaps a few comments are in order
[10:32] <ompaul> (A) there is no SU it raises its head now and again
[10:32] <ompaul> (B) there are CDs for specific projects
[10:32] <ompaul> (C) there are posters
[10:33] <ompaul> (D) capturing good will is one thing - it is keeping people in that "good zone"
[10:34] <ompaul> so could it be said the defacto role of the "marketing team" has been to offer support to people from within it's narrow means, by way of advice when someone wants to encourge others to join the camp?
[10:35] <ompaul> Burgwork, your (et al) book is a great example of getting a concrete project out the door, without the other parts of the community it could never have happened.
[10:35] <Burgwork> the book we were paid for
[10:35] <ompaul> no matter, I get paid to support hardware
[10:36] <ompaul> if there was no compass there would still be north but it would be a little harder to find :)
[10:37] <atoponce> ompaul: so what would you suggest me, a newcomer to the team, to do?
[10:37] <ompaul> UWN came out of this
[10:37] <ompaul> atoponce, tell me what you do for a living/ studies or whatever
[10:37] <atoponce> i really want to help, but i'm unsure how to start
[10:37] <atoponce> well... i'm a computer programmer for a living using proprietary languages
[10:38] <ompaul> fine
[10:38] <atoponce> i'm a member of the ubuntu-utah loco team
[10:38] <ompaul> so what other skills have you got?
[10:38] <atoponce> president of the ogden area linux users group
[10:38] <atoponce> not much good at art, but strong in advocation. never really "marketed" before, but this team seems to meet my niche for advocacy
[10:39] <ompaul> that is a role ;-) not a skill, but it could be said that you have people skills for that role
[10:39] <ompaul> marketing is about addressing people and "manging their expectations"
[10:39] <atoponce> yes. i'm not afraid to talk and spread the word. even to random people on the street
[10:40] <ompaul> okay - so you can use the stuff and have a reasonable amount of technical cluefulness
[10:40] <atoponce> i have good leadership skills and i am inner motivated
[10:41] <atoponce> yes
[10:41] <Burgwork> the Ubuntu marketing team is responsible for spreading some stuff, but not others
[10:41] <Burgwork> for instance, the loco teams are really responsible for marketing within their area
[10:41] <Burgwork> we are responsible for global stuff
[10:41] <atoponce> i know that is where i struggle- trying to find that line
[10:42] <Burgwork> we are also responsible for creating teh stuff that locos use to market
[10:42] <atoponce> what are some examples? like the posters?
[10:43] <Burgwork> yes
[10:43] <Burgwork> articles
[10:43] <atoponce> what sort of articles? like blogging, or more specific, like the wiki?
[10:44] <tsmithe> wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing
[10:44] <atoponce> Burgwork: btw, what part of canada are you at? just curious. i lived in toronto for some time
[10:44] <tsmithe> at the bottom is the link to the current server branch
[10:44] <Burgwork> victoria
[10:45] <atoponce> articles, meaning, printed?
[10:45] <Burgwork> either
[10:45] <ompaul> sorry lost my connection
[10:47] <ompaul> atoponce, whatever you do maintain it at a "how easy it is to do"
[10:47] <ompaul> level
[10:47] <ompaul> and only give people easy things to do 
[10:47] <ompaul> when they want to do harder stuff then be on hand to provide support 
[10:47] <ompaul> that is all you can do 
[10:47] <ompaul> if you convert 3 people 
[10:48] <ompaul> and they each do 2.5 and so on
[10:48] <ompaul> it spreads
[10:49] <atoponce> so, for me, find those who are struggling to get ubuntu material created, and provide support?  or, work on converting others to ubuntu, and getting them to do the same?
[10:49] <ompaul> atoponce, a little of both, if you know the material, (which always needs updating,) and you work with it and people then you have done the job well 
[10:50] <ompaul> atoponce, you should really try to get your hands on a few of the docs and get a feel for it
[10:50] <atoponce> ok. as long as i have a clear objective, and a reachable goal, i can do it
[10:51] <atoponce> is there a marketing forum on ubuntuforums?
[10:51] <ompaul> so read some material and see if you can get others to help you get others step across the line
[10:51] <ompaul> there is a marketing mailing list
[10:51] <ompaul> $forums no idea, there was something but it got eaten by the person who thought they were doing some good with their power plays
[10:52] <atoponce> hmmm
[10:52] <ompaul> i.e. all politics are never smooth
[10:52] <ompaul> :)
[10:52] <atoponce> agreed
[10:52] <ompaul> but practical work is easy, and the stuff is on the wiki
[10:53] <atoponce> is the spreadubuntu site just a pipe dream, or a reality?
[10:55] <ompaul> it could be something, if people agreed when it would be finished
[10:55] <tsmithe> ping ping ping ping ping JENDA
[10:55] <ompaul> the continued reluctance to put an end goal on it has killed it out
[10:55] <tsmithe> we need his input here
[10:55] <ompaul> right
[10:56] <tsmithe> he has a roadmap
[10:56] <ompaul> tsmithe, the road map does not have anything other than big signposts 
[10:56] <ompaul> there is no indication of when you get there
[10:56] <ompaul> how you will know you are there
[10:56] <ompaul> i.e. No pre defined tasks
[10:56] <ompaul> step one 
[10:56] <ompaul> step two 
[10:57] <ompaul> step three
[10:57] <ompaul> result
[10:57] <ompaul> it is ------> direction over here
[10:57] <tsmithe> good point
[10:57] <ompaul> and --------> other there also
[10:57] <tsmithe> |
[10:57] <tsmithe> |
[10:57] <tsmithe> |
[10:57] <ompaul> s/other/over/
[10:57] <tsmithe> \/
[10:57] <tsmithe> true
[10:57] <ompaul> oh come on there was no need to do that, this is not //aol//
[10:58] <ompaul> :)
[11:00] <ompaul> Burgwork, the mission statement is one word
[11:00] <ompaul> encouraging
[11:00] <ompaul> you can fluff that up with more words but that is what it always has been
[11:01] <ompaul> any "big ideas" fall foul of the usual "free software community modus operandi"
[11:01] <ompaul> i.e. small groups work best, and hardest to get their goals
[11:01] <atoponce> so is the marketing team more about "advertising" or "sales". i'm thinking i'm stroger in the "sales" aspect than "advertising"
[11:03] <Burgwork> sales is about closing people. We are most certainly not that
[11:03] <Burgwork> we are more about information
[11:03] <ompaul> atoponce, consider what ubuntu is - a variety of GNU/linux/linux whatever way you say it, highly polished, with a good support structure that gets people across a line
[11:05] <atoponce> well, i'm thinking about converting, say, a school to use an "official" linux distro, and use ubuntu, of course
[11:05] <atoponce> would that me "marketing"?
[11:11] <atoponce> s/me/be/
[11:12] <Burgwork> marketing is creating and to some extent diseminating things that communicate the awesomeness that is Ubuntu
[11:12] <Burgwork> at least in our sense
[11:16] <jenda> tsmithe: one ping is enough. pong.
[11:16] <jenda> welcome, atoponce 
[11:17] <tsmithe> jenda: lighten up, dude! not like up took two hundred lines like before
[11:18] <jenda> hehe :)
[11:18] <jenda> You did improve a lot ;)
[11:18] <jenda> What's up?
[11:19] <jenda> It seems Ubuntu is capable of a system failure when the network is not configured right :/
[11:19] <tsmithe> weird
[11:19] <tsmithe> never happened here
[11:20] <atoponce> jenda: thx
[11:24] <jenda> tsmithe: it's a lappy, and I set up a static IP for university, where I tested their network (for a showcase box)
[11:24] <tsmithe> static ip + laptop always seems like a terrible dare to me
[11:24] <jenda> and now I came home and nothing would work - not even failsafe gnome :-D
[11:24] <tsmithe> me just has network-manager-gnome with dhcp cos he doesn't dare otherwise
[11:24] <tsmithe> jenda, that seems bad!
[11:24] <tsmithe> doubt it's the network
[11:24] <jenda> it was
[11:25] <atoponce> home, work, school
[11:25] <jenda> I fixed it by modifying my /etc/network/interfaces back to dhgp
[11:25] <jenda> dhcp
[11:25] <atoponce> just have to remeber when you get to the new location
[11:25] <tsmithe> weirder
[11:25] <jenda> It's crazy :-D
[11:25] <jenda> anyway, what was the ping for?
[11:25] <atoponce> me, or tsmithe ?
[11:25] <tsmithe> err atoponce wanted direction
[11:25] <tsmithe> then we wanted a mission statement
[11:26] <tsmithe> and then the roadmap for spreadubuntu
[11:26] <tsmithe> which apparently should be more detailed
[11:26] <tsmithe> (you have logs!)
[11:27] <atoponce> basically, i just want something to do. i think i have an idea now, just trying to work out the details
[11:27] <jenda> atoponce: you pung me too? :)
[11:28] <jenda> aha
[11:28] <jenda> tsmithe: but they are looong :)
[11:28] <tsmithe> indeed
[11:29] <jenda> ok... you both saw the wiki... and you want more! :)
[11:30] <jenda> and I'm supposed to have more... hmmm....
[11:30] <jenda> ok, I'll think about it ;)
[11:30] <atoponce> i do think a mission statement would help clear a lot of this up
[11:30] <jenda> atoponce: I have a great task for you, I think.
[11:30] <atoponce> ok. anything. :)
[11:30] <jenda> Mission statement... hmm...
[11:30] <jenda> atoponce: see the DIY HOWTO section?
[11:31] <atoponce> wiki?
[11:31] <tsmithe> you never had a "great task" for me
[11:31] <jenda> I think it's the type of thing that could suit you.
[11:31] <jenda> yes.
[11:31] <tsmithe> wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing
[11:31] <jenda> tsmithe: because I don't know what you do :)
[11:31] <jenda> not that wiki :/
[11:31] <tsmithe> i gave the link earlier!
[11:31] <tsmithe> oh
[11:31] <jenda> MarketingTeam/DIYWebsite
[11:31] <tsmithe> doesn't it link from there
[11:31] <tsmithe> i thought it did...
[11:31] <jenda> dunno
[11:31] <jenda> that must be Dan's work.
[11:31] <tsmithe> guess so
[11:31] <atoponce> k. there
[11:32] <atoponce> MarketingTeam/DIYWebsite
[11:34] <jenda> Well, maybe you could try to collect what's out there, regarding local DIY marketing projects?
[11:35] <tsmithe> jenda: what tasks are available? it would be good if you kept a log of stuff you thought of, or do you just think of it on the spot?
[11:35] <atoponce> ok. like gathering ideas?
[11:35] <jenda> That would mean, searching for what others already have done: CD stands in vendor shops
[11:35] <atoponce> off the forums, and from loco teams?
[11:35] <jenda> tsmithe: I'd like to, but my abstraction isn't good enough - my brain doesn't spit out tasks automatically :)
[11:35] <jenda> atoponce: pretty much.
[11:35] <tsmithe> mine neither
[11:35] <tsmithe> that's why i can't do much without direction
[11:35] <atoponce> ok. i can do that.
[11:36] <jenda> perhaps search mailing lists, and _your_own_brain_ too :)
[11:36] <jenda> tsmithe: what I just said is work for more than one person, you can join atoponce.
[11:36] <jenda> but if it's done before the site, it will wait anyway ;)
[11:36] <tsmithe> i don't really understand
[11:36] <atoponce> ok. and where do you want me and tsmithe to compile the data i collect?
[11:36] <atoponce> s/i/we/
[11:36] <tsmithe> wiki
[11:36] <atoponce> ok
[11:36] <jenda> MarketingTeam/DIYHowtos
[11:37] <tsmithe> oh, i would have suggested MarketingTeam/Triage
[11:37] <tsmithe> but i dunno what's on that page
[11:37] <jenda> use it as a whiteboard, just dump a list of things there.
[11:37] <jenda> whatever you find.
[11:37] <atoponce> sweet
[11:37] <tsmithe> i dont really know what you're really suggesting
[11:37] <jenda> Collect ideas for what I, as an Ubnutu user and fan can do for Ubuntu in my town.
[11:38] <atoponce> tsmithe: you and i, and whomever else, needs to compile a list of marketing ideas from the forums, mailing lists, loco teams, etc
[11:38] <tsmithe> right
[11:38] <tsmithe> ok
[11:38] <tsmithe> gottit
[11:38] <jenda> Not just marketing ideas - things one can actually do.
[11:38] <atoponce> then probably help them make it a reality? or is that for another "team" :)
[11:38] <jenda> (providing (s)he has the team and resources needed)
[11:38] <jenda> atoponce: not really ,that's up to them :)
[11:39] <atoponce> ok. np
[11:39] <jenda> but as a second step, we should have a look at what we have, and think about organising it.
[11:39] <tsmithe> this is a good first step
[11:39] <jenda> For example, state how many willing people will be needed.
[11:39] <atoponce> tsmithe: agreed.
[11:39] <tsmithe> this should need a table
[11:39] <atoponce> jenda: what do we do with the data we collect?
[11:39] <tsmithe> let it stew
[11:39] <jenda> start with making a list of specific ideas.
[11:39] <tsmithe> derive ideas from it
[11:39] <tsmithe> implement
[11:40] <tsmithe> but that's for later ;)
[11:40] <jenda> not sure if a table is necessary ATM
[11:40] <tsmithe> tables are nice and easy to work with
[11:40] <jenda> the wiki will be just the dump, make it a simple-to-copy-paste list :)
[11:40] <tsmithe> better than a sprawl of writings
[11:40] <jenda> not really.
[11:40] <atoponce> so what's the final say on the site url?  MarketingTeam/Triage?  MarketingTeam/Howtos?
[11:40] <tsmithe> a template to copy/paste to is simple enough surely
[11:40] <jenda> MarketingTeam/DIYHowtos, please
[11:40] <tsmithe> but if it's just a dump
[11:41] <atoponce> under a new section?
[11:41] <tsmithe> , 
[11:41] <tsmithe> it's not a how-to!
[11:41] <atoponce> ahh. yeah. s/Howtos/DIYHowtos/
[11:41] <atoponce> hmm. i think i agree with tsmithe 
[11:41] <jenda> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/DIYWebsite/HOWTOs?action=edit
[11:41] <jenda> how about that?
[11:41] <tsmithe> plus, does it really matter?!
[11:41] <tsmithe> hmm
[11:42] <tsmithe> you sure want it to be under HOWTo
[11:42] <jenda> isnce it's just a dump for that website, and will probably be only used by a few people.
[11:42] <jenda> tsmithe: yes.
[11:42] <tsmithe> stubborn!
[11:42] <jenda> These should end up _being_ howtos.
[11:42] <tsmithe> indeed
[11:42] <jenda> very :)
[11:42] <jenda> (stubborn)
[11:43] <jenda> You said you wanted guidance, here it is. Feel free to take whatever I say, and disregard it :)
[11:43] <jenda> 
[11:43] <atoponce> but i'm very willing
[11:43] <atoponce> jenda: and how do you do that smiley???
[11:43] <jenda> great ;)
[11:43] <jenda> I bound it on my keyboard, it's a unicode char.
[11:43] <atoponce> using a screen digraph?
[11:46] <jenda> nah, I have it bound on my keyboard :)
[11:46] <jenda> Super+o
[11:46] <jenda> I have a custom, xmodmap-defined keyboard
[11:46] <atoponce> ahh
[11:46] <jenda> I can also do things like  for french,  for Czech and  for latin.
[11:47] <jenda> Yes, I study latin :)
[11:47] <atoponce> 
[11:50] <jenda>  
[11:50] <jenda> (that was a 'hehe')
[11:52] <atoponce> W
[11:52] <atoponce> (sweet)
[11:56] <jenda> 
[11:59] <atoponce> i'll figure that smiley out yet, plus 3 or 4 more. :)