[12:29] <stani> hello
[12:30] <stani> anyone here?
[12:30] <rmjb> hello stani
[12:31] <stani> i have a simple question, I guess
[12:31] <Burgwork> hey stani
[12:31] <stani> I am new here (effect of the ubuntu open week)
[12:31] <rmjb> welcome
[12:32] <rmjb> so what's your question?
[12:33] <stani> I develop SPE, a Python Editor, which some people are so kind to package and put in the universe. However it seems that an extra dependency needs to be defined: python-wxversion. What should I do? Report a bug on launchpad?
[12:34] <LaserJock> you're *the* stani?
[12:34] <stani> yes
[12:34] <LaserJock> how cool, I love SPE
[12:35] <stani> thanks
[12:35] <LaserJock> yeah, a bug on launchpad is the best way to go
[12:36] <stani> I was just wondering because the maintainer is the Debian QA Group and I am wondering if the Debian MOTU (is it the same as ubuntu MOTU?) will keep track of launchpad or if they have their own bug tracking system.
[12:37] <StevenK> Debian QA Group means the package is orphaned in Debian.
[12:37] <Burgwork> unlike Ubuntu, all packages in Debian must have a maintainer
[12:37] <CypherBIOS> stani: wow, I love the SPE too, thank you. Really, the Ubuntu package are ugly
[12:39] <stani> I understood that in the Ubuntu Open Week that Debian needs a maintainer, but as now the packaged is orphaned I am wondering who I should contact.
[12:39] <stani> I am afraid if I use Launchpad nobody will take action.
[12:39] <gnomefreak> rmjb: its nice python text editor/IDEish
[12:40] <Burgwork> stani: to maintain a package in Debian is a bit more work
[12:40] <LaserJock> stani: well, Launchpad will be ok for Ubuntu
[12:40] <Burgwork> however, that is the best place for you to do you work, because it will benefit Ubuntu and Debian
[12:40] <LaserJock> but Debian has it's own bug bug tracking system
[12:40] <rmjb> stani: unfortunately there seems to be something wrong with your site, I get 502 error on http://pythonide.stani.be/
[12:41] <stani> What is the url of debian bug tracking?
[12:41] <StevenK> http://bugs.debian.org
[12:41] <gnomefreak> rmjb: its still in the repos afaik
[12:41] <stani> rmjb: Yes my project was sponsored by zettai.net who gave free hosting, but they went out of business.
[12:41] <rmjb> bummer
[12:42] <stani> So I'll move to another sponsor soon. I got some great offers.
[12:42] <stani> I have asked for an ubuntu server hosting, but I am afraid that is hard to find.
[12:44] <LaserJock> there are quite a few Debian servers out there
[12:44] <stani> CypherBIOS: why you say the "Ubuntu packages are ugly"?
[12:45] <lotusleaf> stani: you need free hosting for a FOSS project?
[12:45] <rmjb> SPE does look very nice
[12:45] <CypherBIOS> stani: some errors on feisty
[12:45] <stani> Yes, but I was curious for ubuntu servers. I don't know yet any company offering Ubuntu.
[12:45] <rmjb> will use this instead of Geany for now
[12:45] <CypherBIOS> stani: relative on packaging
[12:45] <stani> rmjb: thanks
[12:45] <gnomefreak> what is geany?
[12:45] <lotusleaf> stani: oh, the server has to be ubuntu, then?
[12:45] <rmjb> another python IDE, the best one I saw
[12:45] <rmjb> until now
[12:45] <gnomefreak> rmjb: in repos?
[12:46] <rmjb> yep
[12:46] <gnomefreak> hmmmm
[12:46] <stani> CypherBIOS: which errors
[12:46] <rmjb> :)
[12:46] <gnomefreak> ill try it also. i use a bunch of ides :)
[12:46] <stani> Actually at the moment I am optimizing SPE for ubuntu.
[12:47] <CypherBIOS> stani: I'm not sure about what I'm saying, this is related for me by someone else...
[12:50] <gnomefreak> are the packages in -proposed repos supported or kind of like backports repos?
[12:50] <LaserJock> they are temporary
[12:50] <stani> Ha I didn't know geany will look at it. It looks like a multilingual IDE, while SPE is completely focused on python and has a lot of special features (such as UML, pychecker, ...)
[12:50] <StevenK> gnomefreak: The packages in -proposed are undergoing testing before being pushed to -updates
[12:50] <LaserJock> -proposed is where packages go to get tested before they go into -updates ,etc.
[12:50] <CypherBIOS> stani: If needed, latter,  I'll give you more description about the problems that is happening with my friend
[12:51] <gnomefreak> ty
[12:51] <rmjb> stani: VPS hosting that offers ubuntu: http://www.vpslink.com/
[12:51] <stani> lotusleaf: no, it doesn't have to be, but as I switched to Ubuntu, I was just curious if Ubuntu is getting in the server market for hosting
[12:51] <stani> CypherBIOS: ok, you can always send me a mail
[12:52] <CypherBIOS> stani: :)
[12:52] <lotusleaf> stani: ah, ok.
[12:53] <stani> I'll contact them to see if they would want to sponsor SPE by hosting.
[12:59] <gnomefreak> wasnt gnome updated to 2.16 fpr edgy?
[12:59] <gnomefreak> or just the other gnome things?
[12:59] <LaserJock> yeah, should be 2.16
[12:59] <gnomefreak> !info gnome
[12:59] <ubotu> gnome: The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:2.14.2.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 12 kB, installed size 44 kB
[12:59] <nolimitsoya> are there any plans on updating thunar for xubuntu? its now a rc, and the irritating bug with the treeview going bananas is fixed, among other things...
[01:00] <gnomefreak> that bothers me a bit :(
[01:00] <nolimitsoya> the thunar version currently in xubuntu is a very old beta, btw.
[01:00] <Adri2000> please, any motu for http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3553 ? it's already advocated, just need one more :)
[01:02] <ajmitch> afternoon
[01:03] <ajmitch> stani: afaik, there's no plans to do generic hosting stuff like sourceforge does - I've been bitten by zettai going out of business as well :)
[01:03] <Adri2000> ajmitch: you will look at it this afternoon?
[01:03] <nolimitsoya> whos managing thunar?
[01:04] <Adri2000> nolimitsoya: xubuntu people
[01:04] <Adri2000> nolimitsoya: are you talking of edgy or feisty?
[01:04] <nolimitsoya> Adri2000, and they are found where? :)
[01:04] <nolimitsoya> Adri2000, current, edgy
[01:04] <ajmitch> Adri2000: doubtful
[01:05] <Adri2000> nolimitsoya: there won't be new upstream release in edgy
[01:05] <Adri2000> ajmitch: ah :(
[01:06] <Adri2000> nolimitsoya: maybe in -backports, you can ask in #xubuntu
[01:06] <nolimitsoya> Adri2000, yes, thats the general idea. however, i understand exeptions are made if there is a good reason, and fixing a very irritating bug and moving from early beta to rc at the same time would be grounds for an expetion if you ask me...
[01:06] <nolimitsoya> Adri2000, no, nothing in backports. still the (now very dated) beta
[01:07] <ajmitch> Adri2000: simply because I'm at work right now :)
[01:07] <Adri2000> nolimitsoya: ask in #xubuntu, I don't really know
[01:07] <rmjb> nolimitsoya: maybe you can file a backport request for it?
[01:08] <nolimitsoya> Adri2000, there wouldnt be that many motus in #xubuntu, would there? :)
[01:08] <nolimitsoya> rmjb, how do i do that?
[01:08] <gnomefreak> it most likely will never happen that a DE will be upgraded in a stable release
[01:08] <Adri2000> nolimitsoya: motu are not responsible for xfce
[01:08] <Adri2000> it's in main since dapper
[01:09] <gnomefreak> ask in #ubuntu-backports :)
[01:09] <nolimitsoya> Adri2000, right... /me gets my head screwed on the right way again...
[01:10] <rmjb> nolimitsoya: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BackportsHowto#head-47046f0b6751338ce86e851fd70ded0f5680b99f
[01:10] <nolimitsoya> rmjb, thank you :)
[01:11] <stani> Another question: I'm using reportbug to file my bug, but it says it will be sent to ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com. I want to file this bug to the debian bug tracker. Can I use reportbug for that?
[01:12] <Adri2000> nolimitsoya: that's what I read in #ubuntu-classroom-chat from a xubuntu dev: <maxamillion> DenisTheMenace: no, the decision for a backport will be made once the stable release of xfce4 happens
[01:12] <LaserJock> ajmitch: hi!
[01:13] <nolimitsoya> Adri2000, ok, thank you. :) saved me the trouble of a backport request... bloody shame though. :(
[01:15] <CypherBIOS> can some one take a look on my uploaded package: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3587 If you can leave some comment I'll be grateful
[01:17] <ajmitch> hey LaserJock!
[01:18] <joejaxx> LaserJock: http://fluxbuntu.org/repoinstall.png
[01:18] <joejaxx> ajmitch: lol
[01:25] <LaserJock> ajmitch: autograph?
[01:25] <LaserJock> I got hacked today
[01:26] <LaserJock> but I'm starting to recover
[01:26] <LaserJock> I'm so glad I bought a 1GB usb stick for my birthday
[01:27] <joejaxx> well it seems i forgot something
[01:27] <joejaxx> drivers/built-in.o: In function `ide_wait_not_busy':
[01:27] <joejaxx> (.text+0x65a5d): undefined reference to `touch_nmi_watchdog'
[01:30] <LaserJock> ajmitch: will you be around tomorrow for my open week presentation?
[01:31] <ajmitch> LaserJock: at what time UTC?
[01:31] <ajmitch> ouch at getting hacked
[01:32] <LaserJock> 21:00 UTC
[01:32] <LaserJock> ajmitch: yeah, both my Ubuntu machines
[01:32] <LaserJock> somebody from Poland apparently wanted to use me as a port scanner
[01:33] <ajmitch> ok, I thought it was 20:00 UTC
[01:33] <ajmitch> looking at the wiki page
[01:33] <_MMA_> LaserJock: How did you notice? What was odd?
[01:33] <ajmitch> which would be 9AM local time
[01:33] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I just wondering because there is a chance I can't make it
[01:34] <LaserJock> _MMA_: well, to start off with the uni banned my mac because "I" scanned 300,000 https ports last night
[01:35] <_MMA_> Ouch..
[01:35] <ajmitch> LaserJock: it's unlikely I could guarantee being there
[01:35] <_MMA_> LaserJock: Both runnin Ubuntu?
[01:36] <ajmitch> since that's at the start of my working day
[01:36] <LaserJock> ajmitch: ok, well now that I have ok from the sysadmin to reinstall my computers I should be ok
[01:36] <LaserJock> _MMA_: yeah
[01:36] <LaserJock> I was just thinking I might not have a computer to do it from
[01:36] <LaserJock> but I'll get OS X at least on the one easily
[01:36] <ajmitch> hopefully you will
[01:36] <ajmitch> live cd! :)
[01:37] <LaserJock> hmm, although it might take a while to get it unbanned from the network
[01:37] <LaserJock> I'll make sure my other one is reinstalled tonight too
[01:37] <LaserJock> man, this sucks
[01:37] <LaserJock> note to self: make testing users have non-obvious names
[01:38] <ajmitch> testing user, easy password?
[01:38] <LaserJock> pretty easy
[01:38] <ajmitch> unfortunate
[01:38] <LaserJock> it wasn't same as user name
[01:38] <LaserJock> but similar enough
[01:38] <ajmitch> oh dear
[01:39] <ajmitch> so probably some automated attack
[01:39] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:39] <Burgwork> username was something like, test, no?
[01:39] <LaserJock> I saw where the same IP has been trying to get in for a couple weeks
[01:39] <LaserJock> yeah, I used testing1, testing2, etc.
[01:40] <LaserJock> but normally my computers aren't accesible outside the department network
[01:40] <LaserJock> so I just didn't think much of it
[01:40] <LaserJock> stupid me
[01:42] <LaserJock> anyway, the person left their tracks
[01:42] <LaserJock> so I"m going to throw the logs and their scripts on a usb stick and reinstall
[01:43] <LaserJock> so I learned a good security lesson I guess
[01:43] <LaserJock> just stupid it had to happen
[01:43] <crimsun> we all learn.
[01:43] <LaserJock> and it just irritates me that I can't use my computer in peace
[01:44] <crimsun> I remember when my RH 5.2 machine got hacked and used as a base for some .gov attacks.
[01:44] <LaserJock> without literally getting attacked hundreds or thousands of times a day
[01:44] <LaserJock> heh
[01:44] <LaserJock> well, our department router got hacked into once
[01:44] <ajmitch> now that would be annoying
[01:44] <LaserJock> because a collaborator of one of our profs
[01:44] <LaserJock> who is in texas
[01:45] <LaserJock> had his computer hacked into
[01:45] <LaserJock> and they got his password to our server
[01:45] <LaserJock> then ran a password sniffer thingy
[01:45] <LaserJock> and got all our passwords
[01:45] <LaserJock> that one wasn't fun
[01:56] <rmjb> so, is there a guide on setting up a subversion repo on ubuntu? I want to set up one to hold the debian directories of the packages I work on, so I can make and test changes more easily
[01:57] <fbond> rmjb, you should really consider using bzr instead
[01:57] <fbond> much simpler to use anyway
[01:57] <Adri2000> rmjb: look at the server guide
[01:58] <rmjb> bzr just for the debian directory of packages I work on? will it be on launchpad or on my "server"?
[01:58] <fbond> it would be where ever you put it :)
[01:58] <LaserJock> bzr is great for packaging
[01:58] <LaserJock> you don't have .svn directories everywhere
[01:58] <joejaxx> LaserJock: did you see that screenshot?
[01:58] <crimsun> palski: when you submit SRU proposals, would you follow a few guidelines, please? First, please see points #1 and #2 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates . Please include all relevant info in your description of bug 73780. Your changelog (in the debdiff) also needs to reference #73780.
[01:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73780 in kdbus "[SRU]  kdbus (edgy)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73780
[01:59] <LaserJock> joejaxx: yes I did
[01:59] <LaserJock> joejaxx: very cool
[01:59] <fbond> yeah, I use svn at work, bzr at home
[01:59] <fbond> bzr is way simpler
[01:59] <fbond> simpler in a good way, that is
[01:59] <joejaxx> LaserJock: thanks :) i still have to add some little things like artwork etc but the package is installable :)
[01:59] <LaserJock> svn is still pretty nice if you want a central repo kind of thing
[02:00] <crimsun> palski: Please amend #73780 to address the points in #1 and #2, and resubmit a new debdiff, thanks!
[02:00] <fbond> LaserJock, that is true; but for personal use only, there's not much of a need
[02:00] <fernando> hi all
[02:00] <LaserJock> fbond: exactly
[02:00] <fbond> it's nice to be able to use version control features without needing a network connection, too
[02:00] <LaserJock> bzr on a stick ;-)
[02:01] <fbond> indeed :)
[02:02] <fernando> can somebody to review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3450 ?
[02:02] <LaserJock> geeze, 53 bug subscribed to ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[02:03] <rmjb> heh, the ubuntu server guide's page on version control systems doesn't mention bzr
[02:04] <crimsun> crap, which 53?!
[02:04] <rmjb> I've got one in those 53 :(
[02:04] <LaserJock> rmjb: because it's so easy they don't need to add it ;-)
[02:04] <rmjb> LaserJock: good sale
[02:05] <LaserJock> well, it's not really a server thing
[02:05] <LaserJock> I suppose
[02:06] <LaserJock> crimsun: and motureviewers has 41 total :/
[02:06] <crimsun> which url are you using for u-u-s?
[02:06] <rmjb> you all need more MOTUs <hint> <hint> *wink* *wink* ;)
[02:07] <LaserJock> crimsun: https://bugs.launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-universe-sponsors/+subscribedbugs
[02:07] <ajmitch> crimsun: don't worry, I'll try & look at some of those bugs tonight/tomorrow
[02:07] <Adri2000> what's the difference between ubuntu-universe-sponsors and motureviewers?
[02:08] <LaserJock> not a ton
[02:08] <crimsun> LaserJock: 22, actually.
[02:08] <crimsun> LaserJock: I've processed everything that's status Fix Committed or Confirmed
[02:09] <LaserJock> geeze
[02:09] <ajmitch> LaserJock: are you surprised?
[02:09] <ajmitch> crimsun is far beyond deity level
[02:09] <crimsun> yep, I'm back to "mere mortal" by overflowing the counter
[02:10] <LaserJock> crimsun: how many are you doing a day, roughly?
[02:10] <crimsun> depends how many geser submits ;)
[02:10] <LaserJock> hehe
[02:11] <ajmitch> LaserJock: this is why we don't need the motu council, or sru or uvf teams
[02:11] <ajmitch> we have crimsun
[02:11] <crimsun> pssht
[02:12] <LaserJock> well, the idea was to give the poor guy a break
[02:12] <ajmitch> soon we won't need the tech board either
[02:12] <ajmitch> once he gets warmed up
[02:12] <joejaxx> is there some ubuntu only method that they use to patch the ubuntu kernels
[02:12] <joejaxx> ?
[02:13] <crimsun> joejaxx: it depends on which Ubuntu kernel you're referring to
[02:13] <fbond> it's not the method, it's the patches
[02:13] <crimsun> but no, none of them are Ubuntu-only "methods"
[02:13] <joejaxx> because i just tried patching the generic kernel
[02:13] <fernando> I'm really lost in ubuntu structure. I don't know where you need more help. I'm starting with packaging then.
[02:13] <crimsun> fernando: great!
[02:14] <joejaxx> crimsun: and you know something is wrong when you do not get an error when you use eithe -p0 and -p1
[02:14] <fbond> well, I wouldn't just select patch options at random :)
[02:14] <fbond> ubuntu kernel != vanilla kernel
[02:14] <crimsun> what, does patch display a moocow or something?
[02:15] <fbond> patches to vanilla kernel don't always / rarely apply to ubuntu kernel
[02:15] <joejaxx> fbond: i am not selecting random patch options
[02:15] <joejaxx> i am just saying
[02:15] <fbond> it was a joke :)
[02:15] <joejaxx> oh
[02:15] <joejaxx> especiall in #u-devel
[02:15] <fbond> understandable
[02:15] <joejaxx> crimsun: it displays nothing
[02:16] <crimsun> .oO( ``patch -moo'' would be interesting. )
[02:16] <fbond> um; it displays nothing?
[02:16] <joejaxx> yeah
[02:16] <crimsun> joejaxx: that's ... ok, what did you do with the ponies?
[02:16] <fbond> whoa
[02:16] <joejaxx> normally when you do something wrong with patch it complains
[02:17] <joejaxx> which is why i tested it with the wrong -p flag
[02:17] <fbond> yes; if it displays nothing, that makes me think your patch file does not actually patch anything?
[02:17] <joejaxx> yeah
[02:17] <joejaxx> which is why i am asking
[02:17] <crimsun> check the return value and the patch
[02:17] <crimsun> try to reverse it
[02:22] <LaserJock> ponies!!!?!
[02:22] <_MMA_> :)
[02:24] <LaserJock> fbond: http://www.hasbro.com/mylittlepony/
[02:24] <fbond> ok, now ... bring it all together and make it relevant
[02:25] <joejaxx> LOL
[02:25] <fbond> ah screw it, I can just check the logs :)
[02:26] <rmjb> wait for it
[02:26] <fernando> hey Hobbsee 
[02:26] <rmjb> there it was
[02:26] <joejaxx> shhhhhhhhhhh Hobbsee is here
[02:26] <LaserJock> everybody hide!
[02:27] <crimsun> ok. ponies are nice shiny things, and kids like ponies. Well you know how kids scream about wanting ponies? Now see http://fridge.ubuntu.com/files/no-pony-for-you.jpg
[02:27] <joejaxx> rofl
[02:27] <crimsun> (The context actually goes back further to jdub, et al., but we can omit it)
[02:27] <Admiral_Chicago> crimsun: poniez!
[02:28] <Admiral_Chicago> that made me lol
[02:28] <joejaxx> that is so fun
[02:28] <joejaxx> funny*
[02:28] <LaserJock> wasn't there a ./ april fools pony item?
[02:29] <ajmitch> probably
[02:29] <crimsun> yeah, /. went pony-pink
[02:29] <LaserJock> yeah, that was funny
[02:29] <LaserJock> my wife just thinks we are all a bunch of nerds
[02:29] <ademan> ok i'm absolutely fed up with this package, but i'm gonna try one more time, and hopefully you guys can help me with the error spew
[02:29] <ajmitch> LaserJock: correct
[02:29] <Admiral_Chicago> crimsun: do you have a few minutes to help me wth alsa?
[02:29] <ajmitch> Hobbsee_!!
[02:29] <joejaxx> its another Hobbsee! :O
[02:30] <LaserJock> oh no
[02:30] <LaserJock> now where do I hide
[02:30] <joejaxx> she has a twin
[02:30] <joejaxx> :O
[02:30] <LaserJock> an "evil" twin ?!?!
[02:30] <LaserJock> just when I thought it couldn't get any worse
[02:30] <fernando> Hobbsee: have you a clone?
[02:31] <crimsun> Admiral_Chicago: which Ubuntu release?
[02:31] <Admiral_Chicago> edgy,
[02:32] <joejaxx> oh
[02:33] <Admiral_Chicago> alsa wasn't recognizing my soundcard, but OSS was so I investigated. now i can load the sound card module, i just want to save the paramater
[02:33] <joejaxx> crimsun: sudo sh -c 'bzip2 -dc ../patches-20061124-prealpha.tar.bz2 | tar xf - | patch -p1 --dry-run'
[02:33] <joejaxx> does that look right to you?
[02:33] <joejaxx> yes right?
[02:34] <fbond> aha!
[02:34] <ademan> any kind of help is appreciated: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/0bjQIY68.html  relevant error spew starts on line 448
[02:34] <fbond> you are feeding patch empty input
[02:35] <crimsun> joejaxx: nope
[02:35] <joejaxx> ok
[02:35] <joejaxx> LLAJ
[02:35] <joejaxx> ==
[02:35] <Hobbsee> fernando: there can only be one Hobbsee!
[02:35] <joejaxx> Lets All Laugh At JoeJAxx
[02:35] <crimsun> you're missing -O
[02:35] <ajmitch> the Hobbsee!
[02:35] <fbond> hmm: grep -c 'pon\(ies\|y\)' '#ubuntu-motu.html' -> 98
[02:36] <fbond> there's something unhealthy about that
[02:36] <joejaxx> crimsun: alright
[02:36] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch, joejaxx 
[02:36] <joejaxx> crimsun: i knew i had forgotten something
[02:36] <Hobbsee> the ajmitch!
[02:36] <joejaxx> Hobbsee: hello :D
[02:36] <Hobbsee> heya :)
[02:37] <ajmitch> fbond: you haven't been around as long - I count 198
[02:38] <fbond> and not one of you younger than 12 :)
[02:38] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: :(
[02:38] <fbond> (I assume)
[02:38] <joejaxx> crimsun: wait -O
[02:38] <ajmitch> you assume far too much
[02:38] <joejaxx> ?
[02:38] <LaserJock> fbond: in spirit maybe :-)
[02:38] <fbond> ajmitch, I feared that
[02:38] <ajmitch> LaserJock: mental age
[02:39] <LaserJock> yes
[02:39] <LaserJock> I know that bddebian fellow is like 10
[02:39] <LaserJock> ;-)
[02:39] <rmjb> archive.ubuntu.com, the repos, don't set no-cache options on their downloads right? I can set up a cache server to cache packages?
[02:39] <bddebian> Hrmph
[02:39] <Admiral_Chicago> crimsun: nvm i think i got it working
[02:39] <LaserJock> fbond: it's a common inside jock for us, that's all :-)
[02:39] <Admiral_Chicago> hopefully
[02:39] <ajmitch> bddebian!
[02:39] <LaserJock> bddebian: dude! I didn't know you were here
[02:39] <fbond> LaserJock, I follow ...
[02:39] <bddebian> :-)
[02:40] <bddebian> LaserJock: So I noticed ;-P
[02:40] <LaserJock> doh!
[02:40] <Admiral_Chicago> no :(
[02:41] <joejaxx> fbond: what did crimsun mean by -O
[02:42] <joejaxx> i do not remember using that last time i used patch 
[02:42] <fbond> I believe he's talking about using that as an option to tar ...
[02:42] <fbond> hang on
[02:42] <ajmitch> yes, he is
[02:43] <joejaxx> ah
[02:43] <fbond> man tar: -O, --to-stdout
[02:43] <ajmitch> since tar will extract files to the current directory, not to stdout
[02:43] <joejaxx> ah ok
[02:43] <fbond> roight
[02:44] <crimsun> joejaxx: tar's intelligent enough to notice bz2/gz, btw.
[02:44] <fbond> crimsun, you don't have to give it -j or -z ?
[02:44] <crimsun> tar -Oxf foo.tar.bz2 | patch ...
[02:44] <fbond> neat
[02:44] <crimsun> fbond: you did in older versions
[02:45] <fbond> the lazy will prevail :)
[02:45] <joejaxx> fbond: -j :D
[02:46] <joejaxx> i use that when using tar
[02:46] <joejaxx> for bz2
[02:47] <fbond> me too
[02:47] <joejaxx> hmm
[02:48] <joejaxx> |--- linux.orig/hpc/migrecv.c   2006-11-02 22:51:58.000000000 +0100
[02:48] <joejaxx> |+++ linux/hpc/migrecv.c        2006-11-02 22:52:00.000000000 +0100
[02:48] <joejaxx> i think i created the wrong symlink
[02:50] <ademan> so about my stupid problem... http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/0bjQIY68.html  relevant error spew starts on line 448
[02:50] <joejaxx> kernel patching fun stuff
[02:50] <ademan> its looking for the upstream tarball right?
[02:50] <joejaxx> i should just patch the vanilla kernel
[02:50] <joejaxx> lol
[02:51] <LaserJock> ademan: what's in upstream/
[02:51] <ademan> or is the problem that i'm calling pbuilder from the package folder? should i be calling it from the folder with the *.dsc in it?
[02:51] <ademan> LaserJock: no such folder
[02:52] <ademan> and i can't even tell where it should be, should it be package/upstream/  or upstream/ or should it be package/source-tree/upstream/ ?
[02:52] <ademan> package of course is my own shorthand for eclipse-cdt-3.1.1-0ubuntu1 or whatever
[02:54] <LaserJock> ademan: can you also pastebin debian/rules for us?
[02:54] <ademan> LaserJock: sure
[02:55] <ademan> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/kylHzF68.html
[02:55] <ademan> i tried screwing with the tar command because tar ../"upstream/*.tar.gz" just didn't seem right to me, but alas to no avail
[02:56] <LaserJock> hmm, it's kind of a messy rules file to me
[02:56] <ademan> line 62
[02:56] <ademan> i changed it back just fyi
[02:56] <ademan> yeah i dunno, i didn't make it, i don't even know what one looks like, till now of course
[02:58] <LaserJock> ok, so where is the tar.gz? 
[02:59] <ademan> currently its in the dir above the package dir
[02:59] <LaserJock> what is the package dir?
[02:59] <somerville32> Hey
[02:59] <somerville32> Just wondering, but why isn't there some sort of meta-package to install all the dev/package tools?
[03:00] <ademan> exactly? its: eclipse-cdt-3.1.1-0ubuntu1
[03:00] <somerville32> It almost seems logical to have one (or a few specialized ones)
[03:00] <LaserJock> somerville32: well, that's hard to define really
[03:00] <LaserJock> ademan: so in eclipse-cdt-3.1.1-0ubuntu1/ there is a tar.gz?
[03:03] <rmjb> hmm... how can I set global proxy settings for apt?
[03:04] <ademan> LaserJock: no the one above that
[03:04] <LaserJock> ademan: well, it's looking for it in there I think
[03:05] <ademan> hrm ok
[03:05] <ademan> but why's it looking for a tar.gz anyways?
[03:05] <ademan> the uupdate's already been done...
[03:05] <LaserJock> because it's going to unpack it in eclipse-cdt-3.1.1-0ubuntu1/upstream/
[03:06] <ademan> k i'll give it a shot
[03:06] <ademan> thanks
[03:06] <LaserJock> or rather eclipse-cdt-3.1.1-0ubuntu1/source-tree/ is where it's going to build it
[03:06] <LaserJock> ademan: did you look at the original source package
[03:06] <LaserJock> ?
[03:07] <ademan> not really, i suppose that's a good plan
[03:08] <ademan> it has a upstream/source.tar.gz so i guess i'll follow that
[03:13] <rmjb> question, the proxy settings in synaptic, will they also affect apt-get, aptitude and update-manager?
[03:14] <ajmitch> unlikely
[03:15] <ajmitch> apt-get & aptitude honour the http_proxy environment variable
[03:16] <rmjb> the format for that will simply be export http_proxy=server:8080 ? or do I have to put the http:// in before the server?
[03:17] <ademan> LaserJock: i put it in upstream but to no avail
[03:17] <ajmitch> with http://, I believe
[03:17] <ajmitch> at least that's what I have
[03:19] <ademan> in a possibly related note, i looked at the targz in upstream/ in the old package and it's absolutely NOTHING like the tar.gz i've got
[03:19] <rmjb> let me state my real question, I'm testing a .deb in a vm, testing the install dependencies. I'll test one package, then revert the snapshot and test another. It has a heavy dependency that I want automatically installed when installing the .deb, but I'm using squid to cache it... so I really want to proxy to take effect on Gdebi
[03:20] <rmjb> ajmitch ^^^ ?
[03:21] <ajmitch> rmjb: yes?
[03:21] <ajmitch> I don't know what gdebi will honour
[03:21] <ajmitch> just test it & see
[03:21] <ajmitch> or use a local mirror of the package
[03:21] <ademan> HRM, i think my problem may be that it just plain isnt a source tarball that i've got here...
[03:21] <rmjb> yeah... shoot, takes a bout 1/2 hour for the dependency
[03:21] <rmjb> ah well
[03:22] <ajmitch> must be large
[03:22] <rmjb> nah, slow connection
[03:22] <ajmitch> can't you stick it on a local http server?
[03:22] <rmjb> if this squid doesn't work will have to do that
[03:23] <LaserJock> ademan: I'm not much help right now as I have no real working Ubuntu box. I'd look in maybe Debian.Readme or find some info on where that tarball came from
[03:23] <ademan> alright thanks
[03:24] <LaserJock> sorry
[03:24] <somerville32> LaserJock: You're on the list of MOTU Mentors. Do you still have positions open?
[03:25] <ademan> LaserJock: unfortunately there's no readme in there
[03:28] <ajmitch> LaserJock: you're popular today :)
[03:28] <crimsun> can't go wrong with one-third of the MOTU trinity
[03:28] <lastnode> hey crimsun, ajmitch 
[03:29] <ajmitch> hello lastnode 
[03:29] <lastnode> hows it going, guys?
[03:29] <crimsun> bddebian: ...frown? pssht, you're a supastar!
[03:29] <bddebian> Oh yeah, ,I've done soo much for feisty :'-(
[03:30] <ajmitch> "And in this Trinity none is afore or after another; none is greater or less than another."
[03:30] <ajmitch> bddebian: lucky you, I've never got mail about mentoring
[03:31] <bddebian> ajmitch: pfft, you are all greater than me
[03:31] <ajmitch> bddebian: not possible by definition
[03:31] <bddebian> Gah
[03:32] <LaserJock> ajmitch: apparently I am popular
[03:32] <ajmitch> bddebian: I'm just a MOTU fanboy
[03:32] <LaserJock> somerville32: did you email me today?
[03:32] <ajmitch> LaserJock: you're a superstar
[03:32] <LaserJock> bah
[03:32] <LaserJock> security newb apparently
[03:33] <somerville32> LaserJock: Nope.
[03:33] <LaserJock> somerville32: ok, maybe I will
[03:34] <LaserJock> I just need to get some things cleared up
[03:34] <bddebian> LaserJock: Actually I told this guy to try to catch you here.  He's an EE major and interested in Ubuntu so I thought MOTUScience might interest him
[03:34] <LaserJock> like a working computer
[03:34] <somerville32> LaserJock: :}
[03:34] <LaserJock> bddebian: yeah, looked promising, haven't had a chance to email back yet
[03:34] <bddebian> LaserJock: Oh, he e-mailed yoU?
[03:35] <LaserJock> bddebian: yeah
[03:35] <LaserJock> but I'm stuck on a sarge box today as my Ubuntu computer's got hacked
[03:36] <rmjb> so... I've been sending emails to the ubuntu-motu list about once a week or so on dmraid... if I'm doing something wrong with my approach to the sync request can one of you guys tell me?
[03:37] <bddebian> LaserJock: So dist-upgrade it ;-P
[03:38] <LaserJock> can't I don't think
[03:39] <LaserJock> I need a 2.4 kernel
[03:39] <LaserJock> sarge was the last thing I could find that had it
[03:40] <LaserJock> other then slackware I suppose
[03:40] <LaserJock> but I wasn't going there
[03:40] <bddebian> I was looking at a $400 amd64 hp/compaq laptop on E-bay today...
[03:41] <LaserJock> hmm
[03:41] <LaserJock> you looked at System76?
[03:41] <bddebian> System76?
[03:41] <LaserJock> company that sells laptops/desktop/servers with Ubuntu preinstalled
[03:42] <LaserJock> they have a laptop for $700-$800 I think
[03:43] <bddebian>  $700 > $400 :-)
[03:43] <LaserJock> oh, not by too much ;-)
[03:46] <ajmitch> rmjb: sorry that it's been sitting for awhile, I'll try & take a look tonight
[03:46] <ajmitch> from the bug report, it looks like it should be fine
[03:47] <bddebian> LaserJock: Got a URL?
[03:48] <LaserJock> bddebian: for the laptop?
[03:48] <bddebian> Aye
[03:48] <LaserJock> http://system76.com/index.php/cPath/1_10?osCsid=9af2e853e19bf2a9971f2990869de5b4
[03:48] <bddebian> thx
[03:48] <LaserJock> they only sell Ubuntu computers
[03:48] <rmjb> ajmitch: thanks
[03:49] <LaserJock> they also came to the Mt. View UDS
[03:49] <ajmitch> who feels generous?
[03:49] <rmjb> I think system76 were the ones that created the ubuntu stickers for your computer
[03:49] <LaserJock> yeah
[03:49] <bddebian> LaserJock: Uhm, those are Intel boxen
[03:49] <ajmitch> rmjb: yes, it'd be nice if I actually had one of those stickers :)
[03:50] <LaserJock> they might also be donating some hardware to the MOTU
[03:50] <ajmitch> nice of them
[03:50] <LaserJock> bddebian: but isn't that what you want? ;-)
[03:50] <rmjb> I would not mind a sticker myself... I really can't remember the last time I booted windows on this PC
[03:50] <ajmitch> (not to individual MOTUs, AIUI)
[03:50] <bddebian> No, I want a 64bit machine to test/build Ubuntu shit on :-)
[03:50] <ajmitch> bddebian: intel does 64-bit, remember
[03:51] <LaserJock> ajmitch: yes, but maybe you can get one diverted from London to NZ ;-)
[03:51] <ajmitch> LaserJock: a small detour :)
[03:51] <bddebian> ajmitch: Yeah but how many fairly inexpensive Itanium machines are around? :)
[03:51] <ajmitch> bddebian: I didn't want an itanic
[03:52] <ajmitch> core 2 duo is 64-bit
[03:52] <LaserJock> bddebian: a core duo 2 at least is 64bit
[03:52] <rmjb> core2 is supposed to have the amd64 stuff
[03:52] <crimsun> em64t, yep.
[03:52] <plugwash> intel are now using amds 64 bit extentions though they renamed them so it wasn't quite so obvious that they were now the cloners
[03:53] <bddebian> A core-duo 2 is 64-bit?  Damn, I'm not keeping up am I
[03:53] <ajmitch> no, you're not
[03:53] <LaserJock> I think my imac might be 64 bit
[03:53] <ajmitch> G5?
[03:53] <bddebian> G5?
[03:53] <LaserJock> no, intel
[03:53] <crimsun> must be your children, bddebian. Best lock 'em in a dark cellar!
[03:53] <ajmitch> ah right
[03:53] <bddebian> *cough*
[03:54] <bddebian> crimsun: Yeah,, good plan
[03:54] <LaserJock> did they start with core-duo or core-duo2 ?
[03:54] <ajmitch> core duo
[03:54] <ajmitch> I think :)
[03:54] <plugwash> i didn't think code-duo supported 64 bit
[03:54] <ajmitch> core 2 duo does
[03:54] <ajmitch> core duo didn't, iirc
[03:56] <LaserJock> darn, mine's a core duo
[03:56] <LaserJock> I think the new ones are core 2 duo though
[03:58] <paran> hello. what is the best way to submit a small patch against a universe package? create a new bug in launchpad with the patch included in the report?
[03:58] <LaserJock> yep
[03:58] <LaserJock> if it's for an existing bug you can just attach it there
[04:00] <bddebian> Gah, Intels site is a joke
[04:01] <joejaxx> hello all
[04:01] <bddebian> Heya joejaxx
[04:02] <joejaxx> :)
[04:02] <paran> LaserJock: thanks. it's a new bug, a fix for cryptsetup initramfs hook.
[04:11] <jdong> LaserJock: core duos don't do 64-bit... unless you're a lucky n millionth customer of the 2.16GHz variety ;-)
[04:11] <jdong> (64-bit capable T2600's have been spotted randomly....)
[04:12] <jdong> a lot of the core duos though support vmx... which should bring a few hours of entertainment ;-)
[04:15] <rmjb_> vmx? virtualization?
[04:19] <jdong> rmjb_: correct
[04:19] <imbrandon> crap
[04:19] <jdong> the first batch of core duos (T2400,2500,2600) all had VMX
[04:20] <imbrandon> ok man i got a major freakin problem
[04:20] <jdong> the later released T <2400 ones had vmx stripped though :(
[04:20] <imbrandon> any partition guru's in the house ?
[04:20] <jdong> imbrandon: what happened, out of curiousity?
[04:21] <ajmitch> hey imbrandon 
[04:21] <imbrandon> fsked up an partition table somehow on a computer i cant afford to loose the data on at home
[04:21] <ajmitch> what's up?
[04:21] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch 
[04:21] <ajmitch> ah
[04:21] <imbrandon> and i'm half tired
[04:21] <jdong> imbrandon: do you remember where the partitions started/ended?
[04:21] <ajmitch> parted can scan for where the partitions should start & end, based on knowledge of the filesystem
[04:21] <joejaxx> does debian still have a 2.4 kernel?
[04:21] <imbrandon> jdong: no idea, i have a good guess
[04:21] <jdong> imbrandon: or parted can figure that out
[04:21] <ajmitch> joejaxx: etch will ship with 2.6.18
[04:21] <rmjb_> the partitions are still there?
[04:21] <jdong> the latter takes a lot longer
[04:21] <joejaxx> ajmitch: i mean in its repos
[04:21] <jdong> imbrandon: you mgiht wanna try guessing once
[04:21] <imbrandon> parted complains when i load it
[04:22] <ajmitch> joejaxx: you can search
[04:22] <joejaxx> ajmitch: is etch the new one?
[04:22] <ajmitch> of course parted will complain
[04:22] <jdong> just don't mount rw and you won't hurt anything :)
[04:22] <ajmitch> joejaxx: yes
[04:22] <imbrandon> jdong: i cant afford to guess wrong and fuck the disk beond data recovery
[04:22] <joejaxx> oh ok then i want the old one
[04:22] <ajmitch> imbrandon: no spare disk to dump the whole lot onto?
[04:22] <imbrandon> not really
[04:23] <imbrandon> its the biggest drive i have free atm
[04:23] <imbrandon> hrm
[04:23] <imbrandon> ok lemme pastbin some output 
[04:23] <imbrandon> one sec
[04:23] <rmjb_> if you're tired go to sleep man, figuring out what your partition table is supposed to look like can take hours, take a nap and look at it fresh
[04:23] <rmjb_> took my over 4 hours to recover my partitions once
[04:24] <jdong> rmjb_: how can you sleep with data at risk
[04:24] <jdong> :)
[04:24] <rmjb_> because i checked and rechecked and checked again before even writing one thing to the disk
[04:24] <imbrandon> rmjb_: i have to goto work in 10 hours and i need this done before i leave in the morning  ( its not /my/ system )
[04:24] <plugwash> joejaxx etch will not be shipping with a 2.4 kernel
[04:24] <jdong> I supposed this would be a really really bad time to lecture about backups?
[04:24] <plugwash> sarge ships with both 2.4 and 2.6 and will always continue to do so right until its eol'd
[04:24] <joejaxx> plugwash: which is why i said i wanted an older release :D
[04:25] <jdong> even little 512-byte backups that could've saved your rear?
[04:25] <jdong> ;-)
[04:25] <LaserJock> imbrandon: man, it's just our day. I got hacked and your partitions got screwed
[04:25] <imbrandon> jdong: its not my system, my shit is always backed up
[04:25] <LaserJock> I think we just better go home
[04:25] <imbrandon> hahaha
[04:25] <joejaxx> ok so i need sarge
[04:25] <rmjb_> the hardest thing for me was figuring out the sector boundries for the partition table, if there's a tool that can do a readonly scan and do that you're 3/4 way there
[04:25] <LaserJock> joejaxx: I'm running sarge with 2.4 right now
[04:25] <imbrandon> LaserJock: wow
[04:26] <jdong> rmjb_: I've seen parted howtos for doing that
[04:26] <joejaxx> LaserJock: the reason i am asking all these questions is because i am about to cluster every computer in my house
[04:26] <imbrandon> ajmitch: http://pastebin.ca/262066
[04:26] <imbrandon> ^^ someone
[04:26] <crimsun> man, if the MOTU deities are having computer problems, I'm probably going to crash my car into a brick wall or something
[04:26] <joejaxx> LOL unknown
[04:27] <LaserJock> crimsun: you better not
[04:27] <ajmitch> crimsun: please don't
[04:27] <LaserJock> crimsun: we need you healthy with working fingers
[04:27] <imbrandon> crimsun: noooooo
[04:27] <ajmitch> we don't have 10 people to replace crimsun 
[04:27] <joejaxx> Lol
[04:27] <imbrandon> ajmitch: or 15
[04:27] <jdong> imbrandon: that's not a partition table :)
[04:27] <rmjb_> imbrandon: where there logical drives? was hda1 starting on a sector other than 1?
[04:28] <imbrandon> crap this is really shitty, you wan na know what happened ? would that help in my trubbles
[04:28] <jdong> rmjb_: it looks like other random data being interpreted as a partition table
[04:28] <ajmitch> imbrandon: that's just to do u-u-s
[04:28] <imbrandon> ajmitch: right on
[04:28] <imbrandon> ok here is what happened / what i did , so far to end up here
[04:29] <ajmitch> we'd probably need another 20 or so to replace his other work
[04:29] <rmjb> it might not help your troubles, the partition table is already gone, but it might be a good story
[04:29] <jdong> well, probably parted is your best bet
[04:30] <jdong> though it's quite time-consuming
[04:30] <imbrandon> the computer had xp pro loaded, then on another partition vista got loaded , then vista got deleted , but still showed up in the boot menu, thus boot from windows boot disk "fixmbr" and "fixboot" , then invalaid part table, and not i'm here
[04:30] <imbrandon> jdong: it dont work, done been there
[04:30] <jdong> imbrandon: tried a more recent parted?
[04:30] <imbrandon> jdong: latest cvas
[04:30] <imbrandon> cvs
[04:30] <jdong> :-/
[04:30] <ajmitch> screwy
[04:30] <jdong> imbrandon: what did parted say?
[04:30] <imbrandon> jdong: no partition table, exiting
[04:31] <imbrandon> jdong: i'm not a total screwball
[04:31] <jdong> imbrandon: sorry, didn't say you were....
[04:31] <imbrandon> i know :)
[04:31] <imbrandon> heh
[04:31] <jdong> imbrandon: gpart?
[04:31] <jdong> imbrandon: that's what I meant when I said gparted before
[04:32] <jdong> sorry, different tool, REALLY similar name
[04:32] <jdong> imbrandon: http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/user/76201/gpart/
[04:32] <imbrandon> jdong: gparted, qtparted,cfdisk,fdisk
[04:32] <jdong> imbrandon: gpart... not gparted :)
[04:32] <imbrandon> jdong: and this will halp how without a readable partition table ?
[04:32] <jdong> imbrandon: it scans the disk looking for filesystem superblocks
[04:33] <ajmitch> imbrandon: if the filesystems are there, it can scan for theboundaries
[04:33] <jdong> imbrandon: and uses that info to compuse a filesystem
[04:33] <jdong> partition table *
[04:33] <imbrandon> hrm
[04:33] <ajmitch> how useful, static binaries
[04:33] <LaserJock> "Gpart is a tool which tries to guess the primary partition table of a PC-type hard disk in case the primary partition table in sector 0 is damaged, incorrect or deleted."
[04:33] <LaserJock> that sound about like what you want
[04:33] <joejaxx> nice tool
[04:33] <jdong> joejaxx: though you hope you'd never have to use it :)
[04:34] <ajmitch> however much you may wish to drink in this situation :)
[04:34] <joejaxx> jdong: :)
[04:34] <jdong> ajmitch: right now it looks like /dev/urandom is in his partition table. How could it possibly be worse? ;-)
[04:34] <ajmitch> jdong: everything gone
[04:34] <rmjb> okay that looks like the ticket... I was going to recommend ptedit from partition magic... it's what I used some 7 years ago... but that's a windows app and you guys would shoot me
[04:34] <ajmitch> rmjb: he's fixing a windows box
[04:35] <crimsun> dude, ponies in the partition table. rock.
[04:35] <jdong> rmjb: partition magic is excused from any anti-windows remarks :)
[04:35] <imbrandon> hhahahaha
[04:36] <rmjb> the thing with partition table problems, your data is all there... just have to get the one piece, the partition table back, and you magically get your data back
[04:36] <rmjb> just don't format after you repartition
[04:36] <Lathiat> someone remind me, any/all, which is which? :)
[04:36] <imbrandon> ohhh looks like this is working *HOPES*
[04:36] <jdong> rmjb: yeah, though I'd feel much better if I was able to dd the whole drive to another disk first....
[04:36] <imbrandon> if it does i'll kiss you jdong
[04:36] <rmjb> all is arch independent
[04:36] <jdong> imbrandon: :)
[04:37] <LaserJock> Lathiat:  any is for any arch, all is for all archs (i.e. arce indep)
[04:37] <Lathiat> thanks :)
[04:37] <ajmitch> imbrandon: careful there..
[04:37] <imbrandon> hehehe
[04:37] <Lathiat> thats what i thought but had to check its someone confusing :)
[04:37] <jdong> I thought ubuntu was just a hugging thing?
[04:37] <jdong> unless I should really look at feisty-artwork?
[04:37] <LaserJock> hehe
[04:37] <crimsun> Lathiat: I think of "any" arch that has gcc, since not "all" arches can execute another's binaries
[04:38] <LaserJock> Lathiat: it is, I wish sometimes we had better words for that
[04:38] <ajmitch> Lathiat: just memorise debian policy
[04:38] <rmjb> jdong: I'm sure you can write a part table a bunch of times and your data will be safe... when you're frantic you don't think that though
[04:38] <jdong> rmjb: yeah, but get boundaries wrong and your first careless mount could mean death to your data...
[04:39] <jdong> and not every filesystem is so respectful of -o ro
[04:39] <rmjb> always mount ro
[04:39] <rmjb> untill
[04:39] <rmjb> true
[04:39] <rmjb> p magic allow some flexability in that though
[04:39] <jdong> rmjb: as I said... I'd feel /better/ if I was able to do a full backup first :)
[04:39] <rmjb> jdong: definitly
[04:40] <LaserJock> too much stress
[04:40] <rmjb> gpart says is recovers primary part table, what about extended logical drives?
[04:40] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I think I'm going to retire & do gardening
[04:40] <LaserJock> ajmitch: nifty, I bet you guys can get some decent gardens in NZ
[04:40] <jdong> rmjb: It's able to guess that to some degree
[04:40] <crimsun> I'm going to take up fixing the brick wall
[04:40] <ajmitch> LaserJock: a bit better than reno, true
[04:41] <LaserJock> jdong: how do you know if it guesses wrong?
[04:41] <ajmitch> crimsun will dedicate his life to the care of ponies
[04:41] <ajmitch> LaserJock: everything blows up, simple
[04:41] <jdong> LaserJock: it usually tells you about it...
[04:41] <jdong> through inconsistencies
[04:41] <rmjb> actually, your logical drives will magically come back coming to think of it
[04:41] <jdong> (i.e. two different guessing algorithms returned conflicting results...)
[04:42] <LaserJock> interesting
[04:42] <rmjb> that table starts at the beginning of the extended partition (not in sec 0) and is stored as a linked list
[04:42] <LaserJock> you'd think a partition table would be a little safer
[04:42] <ajmitch> LaserJock: this dates back to pre-history
[04:43] <LaserJock> yeah, but as much as I've seen people mess up partition tables you'd think we would have gotten past this
[04:43] <crimsun> remember that beer and asm don't mix
[04:43] <imbrandon> woot
[04:43] <LaserJock> screw the wobbly windows, I want a bullet-proof partition table
[04:43] <ajmitch> LaserJock: LVM FTW
[04:43] <imbrandon> it looks like it guressed correct
[04:43] <rmjb> with a pointer to the definition of the next partition at the end of the last
[04:43] <crimsun> and we love beer a lot more than we love asm
[04:43] <imbrandon> now to write this somehow
[04:43] <jdong> ajmitch: losing your lvm metadata? ;-)
[04:43] <ajmitch> jdong: that's far more robust
[04:43] <imbrandon> LaserJock: bulletproof ssh :P
[04:43] <jdong> imbrandon: -W :)
[04:43] <LaserJock> bah
[04:43] <ajmitch> jdong: see /etc/lvm/backup
[04:44] <LaserJock> imbrandon: in the end it's all PEBKAC
[04:45] <jdong> LaserJock: no, no.. he's in his right to blame vista for this one... :)
[04:45] <LaserJock> yeah, just say if it was running Ubuntu it wouldn't have happened
[04:45] <rmjb> vista is higher in the blaming order than PEBKAC
[04:46] <imbrandon> LaserJock: hehe
[04:46] <jdong> LaserJock: ha, that joke would only be funny after the data was recovered successfully
[04:46] <crimsun> I'd be pretty sore if Vista magically appeared on my HD
[04:46] <crimsun> so yeah, I'm pretty sure it's all PEBKAC
[04:46] <ajmitch> crimsun: grumpy!
[04:46] <ajmitch> I'm sure it's mark's secret plan to ship vista
[04:46] <crimsun> where?! can I dist-upgrade to it?
[04:46] <imbrandon> well what it guessed looked corrct, so i told it to write the table, now waiting for that to finish
[04:46] <imbrandon> we'll see 
[04:46] <jdong> crimsun: yeah, cat /dev/urandom > /dev/hda.... imbrandon can tell you all about that command :D
[04:47] <rmjb> crimsun: only after eleventy thousand dollarts
[04:47] <rmjb> s/dollarts/dollars
[04:47] <crimsun> (actually I was going to suggest that he dd his entire skewed HD to another one as a backup first)
[04:47] <imbrandon> one hundred and eleventy one thousand dollars
[04:47] <rmjb> imbrandon: before you reboot do the fdisk -l first
[04:47] <ajmitch> crimsun: yeah, I asked if he had a spare..
[04:48] <imbrandon> crimsun: i would if i had a spare, all other hdds big enough are in use
[04:48] <crimsun> ah
[04:48] <jdong> imbrandon: gpart was confident with its results? (no inconsistencies?)
[04:48] <imbrandon> i think this is gonna work though, this is the last nail in the coffin though, i will never support windows again , even for "mom and dad"
[04:48] <ajmitch> imbrandon: not even enough free space on another one? I use dd & netcat to backup at times
[04:49] <imbrandon> jdong: yea
[04:49] <jdong> imbrandon: whew, lucky :)
[04:49] <imbrandon> ajmitch: crap i dident think about that yea i had room on the file server to dd it to a file
[04:49] <imbrandon> grr, oh well
[04:49] <ajmitch> it takes awhile
[04:49] <imbrandon> jdong: we'll see its writing it now
[04:49] <rmjb> how long does it take to write a part table?
[04:49] <jdong> imbrandon: well, if you're paranoid, it's not too late to back up now
[04:49] <jdong> rmjb: re-reading it back takes a bit
[04:50] <imbrandon> rmjb: aparently this takes about 5+ minutes to run
[04:50] <jdong> imbrandon: usually data doesn't begin being corrupted until you try to mount :)
[04:50] <rmjb> oh, the results aren't cached
[04:50] <imbrandon> no
[04:50] <jdong> rmjb: right, it's a dry-run by default
[04:50] <LaserJock> how sane of it
[04:50] <ajmitch> imbrandon: if you have time, might be a good idea to take a snapshot of data before booting
[04:51] <rmjb> jdong: what would be the best thing for him to mount?
[04:51] <ajmitch> LaserJock: recovered your system yet?
[04:51] <rmjb> a vfat partition?
[04:51] <imbrandon> Edit this table (y,n) : n
[04:51] <imbrandon> Activate which partition (1..4, q to quit) : 1
[04:51] <imbrandon> Write this partition table (y,n) : y
[04:51] <imbrandon> * Warning: partition table written, you should reboot now.
[04:51] <rmjb> as  test
[04:51] <LaserJock> ajmitch: OS X is up on the imac
[04:51] <rmjb> imbrandon: don't reboot
[04:51] <imbrandon> rmjb: i know
[04:51] <LaserJock> but no network until I get the uni IT guys to unblock the mac
[04:51] <rmjb> partprobe /dev/hda
[04:51] <imbrandon> i'm going to ro mount it first
[04:51] <ajmitch> LaserJock: you can give the superstar session tomorrow?
[04:52] <jdong> imbrandon: wait
[04:52] <LaserJock> I'm installing Ubuntu on the other machine right now
[04:52] <rmjb> fdisk -l /dev/hda
[04:52] <imbrandon> jdong: ro
[04:52] <jdong> imbrandon: what filesystems you ahve to work wtih?
[04:52] <imbrandon> ntfs
[04:52] <LaserJock> ajmitch: should be fine, I even backed up my notes from the last one
[04:52] <jdong> imbrandon: bleh, then go ahead :)
[04:52] <jdong> I was gonna suggest a ro fsck
[04:52] <jdong> but funny story about nonexistent fsck.ntfs :)
[04:52] <imbrandon> rmjb: its ahppy now
[04:53] <imbrandon> happy*
[04:53] <imbrandon> ( fdisk -l )
[04:53] <imbrandon> hrm
[04:54] <jdong> ajmitch: not a good idea in a state of panic :)
[04:54] <imbrandon> root@ubuntu:/mnt/hda1# ls -l
[04:54] <imbrandon> total 3244532
[04:54] <imbrandon> -r-------- 1 root root        904 2006-06-16 08:37 artpdbg.log
[04:54] <imbrandon> -r-------- 1 root root          0 2005-12-04 23:50 AUTOEXEC.BAT
[04:54] <imbrandon> dr-x------ 1 root root       4096 2006-09-25 06:14 Boot
[04:54] <imbrandon> -r-------- 1 root root        425 2006-09-25 06:14 Boot.BAK
[04:54] <imbrandon> -r-------- 1 root root        425 2006-09-25 03:26 boot.ini
[04:54] <imbrandon> gawd i love yall
[04:54] <jdong> yay :)
[04:54] <jdong> imbrandon: that'd be illegal for me ;-)
[04:54] <rmjb> love linux man... pqmagic would have taken you a LOT longer
[04:55] <imbrandon> jdong: ok a drink :)
[04:55] <jdong> :)
[04:55] <imbrandon> dapper live cd FTW
[04:55] <ajmitch> imbrandon: when can I collect?
[04:55] <jdong> I wonder how much worship mail the gpart guy gets :)
[04:55] <imbrandon> ajmitch: when you come for an interview ( or spain UDS what ever comes first )_
[04:55] <imbrandon> :)
[04:55] <ajmitch> haha
[04:56] <ajmitch> next UDS probably isn't that likely
[04:56] <imbrandon> jdong: i think i'm going to send the gpart guy some cash on payday, he saved my ass this timre
[04:56] <imbrandon> time*
[04:56] <jdong> imbrandon: cool, that guy definitely deserves it :)
[04:56] <imbrandon> ok now for the real test , brb gonna reboot it
[04:56] <jdong> imbrandon: and a planet blogpost about gpart wouldn't be a bad idea either ;-)
[04:56] <imbrandon> if i'm not back cursing in 5 min
[04:56] <imbrandon> its all good
[04:57] <jdong> lol
[04:57] <imbrandon> jdong: definately
[04:57] <imbrandon> this tool should be in ubutnu recovery console
[04:57] <jdong> yeah
[04:57] <imbrandon> just for livecd boots like this
[04:57] <imbrandon> ok brb rebooting
[04:57] <jdong> gl hf gg nr20
[04:58] <ajmitch> I see gpart is merely in universe
[04:59] <ajmitch> and I see that apt decided to go madly out of control & crash when I tried apt-cache madison
[04:59] <rmjb> the last update on the site is 2001...
[04:59] <rmjb> for gpart
[04:59] <jdong> yet it's still useful up to this day :)
[04:59] <rmjb> looks like the app is solid since then
[04:59] <jdong> it's not like filesystems change all that often either :)
[04:59] <rmjb> true
[04:59] <jdong> at least the basic geometry info
[05:00] <jdong> it's just fortunate his ntfs partition wasn't corrupt at all
[05:00] <jdong> it would've been a nightmare if that were the case :)
[05:01] <jdong> LaserJock: does your hacking story have a happy ending yet ;-)
[05:01] <LaserJock> sure
[05:01] <LaserJock> I just hit the button to use LVM on my new Ubuntu install
[05:01] <jdong> imbrandon and my disasters apparently have happy endings now :)
[05:02] <jdong> so today could be the day that murphy wasn't able to keep up with us :)
[05:02] <ajmitch> the day isn't done yet
[05:02] <rmjb> it's done for me, just crossed midnight
[05:02] <rmjb> what happened to you jdong?
[05:02] <LaserJock> well, I was expecting all hell to rain down on me from the uni IT people
[05:03] <jdong> rmjb: I force-resized an online ext3 partition :D
[05:03] <LaserJock> but it was more like "meh, it happens"
[05:03] <jdong> and it actually worked :)
[05:03] <rmjb> that ... doesn't sound like it should have worked
[05:03] <jdong> silly Dapper installer for not reserving resize inodes...
[05:03] <jdong> rmjb: no kidding :)
[05:04] <jdong> rmjb: e2fsck preened a bit on subsequent boot, but the inode numbers were all to temporary-type files
[05:04] <Lathiat> uh "congratulations" ;p
[05:04] <jdong> and I just recently finished my md5sum pass over my important data
[05:04] <jdong> Lathiat: lol, I don't think that deserves congrats :D
[05:04] <rmjb> you have md5sums of your data?
[05:04] <jdong> rmjb: yeah... to an extent
[05:05] <rmjb> sounds like a good idea
[05:05] <jdong> rmjb: it's a remnant from when I used to play alot with filesystems
[05:05] <jdong> rmjb: i.e. testing for corruption after some test hard resets
[05:05] <Lathiat> did you ever corrupt anything? :)
[05:05] <jdong> Lathiat: oh yeah, quite a bit
[05:05] <Lathiat> really? ouch
[05:05] <Lathiat> on what?
[05:05] <jdong> XFS and hard resets do not mix at all :)
[05:05] <Lathiat> hah
[05:05] <jdong> not even with write barriers
[05:06] <joejaxx> are we going to implement GRumpyGRoundhog?
[05:06] <Lathiat> XFS also doesn't like having a full disk
[05:06] <jdong> not even with write cache off
[05:06] <Lathiat> it pretends to write things and they really fail
[05:06] <jdong> Lathiat: I've seen XFS performance sharply drop after only 50% full... which is concerning
[05:06] <rmjb> LaserJock: i finally uploaded an update to the pacakge on revu, should I comment what I did?
[05:07] <jdong> rmjb: I also typically print out a fdisk -l on the systems I install....
[05:07] <jdong> it's silly until something like this happens
[05:07] <LaserJock> rmjb: that would be nice
[05:07] <_MMA_> Hey guys. Normally I wouldnt ask but does anyone know how to remove a configured network printer from gnome-cups-manager? PM me If so.
[05:08] <rmjb> jdong: actually after my part issue I used to print pqmagic's partinfo when i did an install... it was about 6 pages
[05:08] <jdong> _MMA_: umm, the same as how you'd remove any printer?
[05:09] <_MMA_> GUI doesnt work.
[05:09] <rmjb> _MMA_: Edit -> Become Administrator
[05:09] <LaserJock> jdong: and the saga continues with -devel ;-)
[05:10] <LaserJock> is it a computer black hole day or something?
[05:10] <joejaxx> lol
[05:10] <rmjb> I hope that blackhole passes little trinidad
[05:12] <jdong> LaserJock: no kidding... I better update all my backups :)
[05:30] <rmjb> imbrandon: back yet?
[05:31] <jdong> rmjb: he said if he didn't come back that'd be good news, right?
[05:32] <rmjb> oh.. right
[05:32] <rmjb> and here I was waiting... guess I can go to sleep
[05:34] <ademan_> is there a mailing list i could subscribe to to hopefully resolve this godawful problem with the eclipse-cdt ?
[05:47] <jdong> ademan_: doko in #ubuntu-devel is usually the one who takes care of eclipse...
[05:47] <jdong> ademan_: what's up with eclipse-cdt?
[05:48] <crimsun> what's the issue with eclipse-cdt?
[05:50] <ademan_> it's incompatible with the current package of eclipse
[05:51] <ademan_> eclipse is version 3.2 wheras the cdt is 3.0.1
[05:51] <ademan_> they don't play nice together
[05:51] <ademan_> so i've been trying for the past week to package a newer version
[05:52] <crimsun> and how is that progressing?
[05:52] <ademan_> butting my head against the same wall over and over and over again
[05:52] <crimsun> doko's an extremely busy person
[05:53] <ademan_> i think the problem is i don't have a source package like the one in the package
[05:53] <jdong> I've also found myself very incompetent at java packaging
[05:53] <jdong> I tried quite a bit with that azureus package...
[05:53] <jdong> and doko magically did it literally overnight...
[05:53] <ademan_> geeze, does he have an email?
[05:53] <crimsun> yep, see his LP page
[05:54] <jdong> ademan_: search him up on launchpad
[05:54] <ademan_> just look him up by doko?
[05:56] <crimsun> now, which version do you need in feisty?
[05:57] <ademan_> 3.1.x
[05:58] <ademan_> but really since the package doesnt work at all, it should be in edgy...
[05:58] <ademan_> shouldn't make people use backports for that i don't think
[05:58] <crimsun> link to the tarballs?
[05:59] <ademan_> of the new version?
[06:00] <ademan_> that's a big problem
[06:00] <crimsun> why is it a big problem?
[06:00] <ademan_> the source is supposedly in the sdk (i'll give you a link) but it doesn't look right
[06:01] <ademan_> http://download.eclipse.org/tools/cdt/releases/callisto/dist/3.1.1/
[06:01] <ademan_> unfortunately there doesnt really seem to be another source other than a 1gb cvs snapshot of it and a bunch of related tools
[06:02] <jdong> ademan_: most likely if it's remedied it'll be through backports....
[06:02] <jdong> ademan_: I've not had any luck convincing anyone to introduce newer upstream versions through other means :)
[06:02] <jdong> ademan_: and I've been playing this game since Warty
[06:03] <ademan_> jdong: but its absolutely essential, it doesn't work otherwise
[06:03] <jdong> ademan_: I understand...
[06:03] <ademan_> :-(
[06:03] <jdong> ademan_: as I said... I haven't been able to convince a new upstream version into a stable release... regardless of circumstances
[06:03] <jdong> *cough* *cough* mga drivers *cough*
[06:04] <ademan_> well its not like i'm going to get it packaged any time soon
[06:04] <ademan_> i've been butting my head up against this for almost a week
[06:04] <LaserJock> good night guys
[06:04] <ademan_> night
[06:04] <jdong> night LaserJock
[06:05] <jdong> ademan_: I said the same thing with azureus :)
[06:05] <crimsun> ademan_: did you check rawhide?
[06:05] <ademan_> crimsun: don't even know what that is
[06:05] <jdong> ademan_: as crimsun is saying... redhat/fedora is probably your best source
[06:05] <ademan_> but i'll google it
[06:05] <jdong> ademan_: rawhide = fedora development
[06:05] <ademan_> ah
[06:06] <jdong> ademan_: they're usually the gold mine of gcj patches :)
[06:06] <ajmitch> oh dear
[06:07] <ajmitch> I wonder if it's the card, the driver, or the monitor
[06:07] <jdong> isn't this a fun day?
[06:07] <ajmitch> well I have been testing nouveau a bit lately :)
[06:08] <ajmitch> if it's the monitor, I have a new 20" panel that's been ordered already
[06:08] <ajmitch> monitor OSD still works, so I bet the card is in a funny state or something
[06:10] <ajmitch> killing X brought it back
[06:15] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: compiz bugs. I occurs to me because of the old compiz-quinn branch, any bugs previous to the feisty version of compiz are thus mostly useless
[06:16] <Burgundavia> thus my modest suggestion is to set all compiz bugs to be needinfo if they have not been updated since feisty opened
[06:16] <ajmitch> s/any/most/
[06:16] <Burgundavia> thoughts?
[06:16] <ademan_> beryl++
[06:16] <ajmitch> plenty could still apply
[06:17] <Burgundavia> yes, they could, hence the needinfo, not closed
[06:17] <ajmitch> fine, set needs info
[06:21] <Burgundavia> can I mass change bugs in LP?
[06:22] <ajmitch> no
[06:22] <ajmitch> this is launchpad
[06:23] <ajmitch> you *may* be able to something via email\
[06:23] <ajmitch> by CCing the various bug numbers
[06:23] <ajmitch> if it works that way
[06:25] <Burgundavia> right
[06:25] <Burgundavia> launchpad: "we had bug triagers"
[06:25] <ademan_> hey i've been bothering the fedora core people, and i got an RPM, how can i open it?
[06:25] <Burgundavia> but then I need to gpg sign my emails, which means I need my key, blah blah blah
[06:25] <jdong> ademan_: you need a SRPM
[06:25] <jdong> and use rpm2cpio
[06:25] <ademan_> jdong: you mean a src.rpm ?
[06:25] <ademan_> cause i have that
[06:26] <jdong> ademan_: yep same diff
[06:26] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: should I tell them they should only test with stock Xorg as well?
[06:26] <ademan_> either way, how can i open it? the archive manager doesn't like it
[06:26] <Burgundavia> archive manager should
[06:26] <Burgundavia> that is a nasty and dumb bug
[06:26] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: well stock Xorg is fine for free drivers & current proprietary nvidia drivers only
[06:27] <Burgundavia> right
[06:27] <ademan_> says archive type not supported
[06:27] <Burgundavia> what should I tell the ATI people then?
[06:27] <ademan_> to get their asses in gear?
[06:27] <ajmitch> no idea, I don't have an ATI card
[06:28] <jdong> ajmitch: tough toenails? :D
[06:29] <Burgundavia> sorry, connection hates me
[06:29] <Burgundavia> did you say anything ajmitch?
[06:29] <ajmitch> nothing important
[06:29] <ademan_> so yeah, is there an alternative way to open an rpm?
[06:29] <ademan_> since the package manager is being retarded
[06:29] <jdong> ademan_: rpm2cpio
[06:29] <ademan_> alright thanks
[06:30] <ademan_> hrm, what package is it in?
[06:30] <Burgundavia> ok, that was fun
[06:32] <jdong> jdong@jdong-laptop:~/tmp$ apt-file search rpm2cpio
[06:32] <jdong> rpm: usr/bin/rpm2cpio
[06:32] <jdong> ademan_: ^^
[06:32] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: "we require the make and model number of your video card, to help us debug driver issues"
[06:32] <Burgundavia> that correct?
[06:32] <ademan_> jdong: i got a command not found, and since /usr/bin is in $PATH doesnt that mean i don't have it
[06:32] <jdong> ademan_: you got rpm installed?
[06:33] <ademan_> no, just install the rpm package?
[06:33] <jdong> apt-get install rpm
[06:37] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: it'd help
[06:38] <Burgundavia> ok, sounds good
[06:38] <ajmitch> since it'll give an indication as to what driver they may be using
[06:39] <Burgundavia> is there a way to determine which driver x is currently using?
[06:39] <Burgundavia> aside from greping xorg.conf, of course
[06:39] <ajmitch> glxinfo doesn't return the version
[06:40] <ajmitch> nor would grepping xorg.conf
[06:40] <ajmitch> attaching /var/log/Xorg.0.log may be helpful
[06:40] <ajmitch> eg
[06:40] <ajmitch> (II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"
[06:40] <ajmitch>         compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.9629
[06:40] <ajmitch> this log gives all the info I need
[06:40] <tepsipakki> woohoo, alpine was released (0.8), the pine replacement with a sensible license (apache)
[06:41] <ajmitch> sensible & non-GPL-compatible
[06:41] <Burgundavia> rock
[06:41] <tepsipakki> really
[06:41] <tepsipakki> ?
[06:41] <tepsipakki> but it's distributable?
[06:41] <ajmitch> sure
[06:41] <ajmitch> apache is free software
[06:42] <tepsipakki> ok, _more_ sensible than the previous license :)
[06:42] <tepsipakki> I'll try to package it today
[06:45] <ajmitch> back later
[06:47] <jdong> anyone have any recommendations for a php or cgi script for router status type info
[06:47] <jdong> I might just start ripping from ipcop...
[06:48] <jdong> but I need something on my apache server to display active NAT'ed connections.... and maybe some other stats
[07:34] <superm1> imbrandon, you around?
[07:59] <StevenK> Hum.
[08:23] <ailean> update on the feisty CD?
[08:56] <dholbach> good morning
[09:10] <palski> crimsun: ?
[09:15] <joejaxx> Gooble Gooble
[09:16] <joejaxx> goes the turkey
[09:16] <joejaxx> bbl LOL
[11:01] <stgraber> If someone has some minutes, can he have a look at : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3576 and tell me fi he saw anything wrong with my upload, thx
[11:02] <stgraber> s/fi/if/
[11:21] <\sh> moins
[11:21] <Hobbsee> hey \sh 
[11:25] <ajmitch> hi \sh 
[11:33] <fernando> moin all
[12:07] <lastnode> Fujitsu, ping please
[12:10] <\sh> new wine 0.9.26 is reaching the archives
[12:10] <ajmitch> once an admin waves it through
[12:12] <\sh> actually universe is not in freeze mode..so someone has to wave it through...and I'm waiting for my syncs too ;)
[12:13] <ajmitch> right, hence why I said waves it through :)
[12:13] <ajmitch> since the whole archive is frozen in launchpad terms
[12:14] <\sh> but wow is not even working under wine on my dual core laptop
[12:14] <\sh> but it could be that I'm too dump to work with wine ;)
[12:23] <CypherBIOS> Hobbsee: ping
[12:26] <siretart> \sh: so plain wine is able to run wow nowadays?
[12:26] <ajmitch> it should be able to
[12:26] <ajmitch> not that we ever want to encourage such time wasting amongst our MOTUs
[12:26] <ajmitch> no, there was a patch against wine that fixed an issue or two
[12:27] <siretart> interesting
[12:27] <ajmitch> supposedly merged in 0.9.25 or .26
[12:28] <\sh> 0.9.25 should be able to run wow without any problems.
[12:28] <\sh> but I never succeed...f
[12:28] <\sh> while running cedega, no problem (tested it on a friends laptop)
[12:29] <jsgotangco> it can be pretty addicting
[12:29] <ajmitch> heard it sucks too much time away :)
[12:29] <jsgotangco> ;especially when you get a mob
[12:30] <\sh> I just play it once or twice a week
[12:30] <\sh> in the evening during my time in the hotel
[12:30] <ajmitch> \sh: you still live in a hotel?
[12:31] <\sh> ajmitch: jepp...in karlsruhe
[12:31] <StevenK> Last night, I was playing Can I Debug python-qt3 And Not Go Insane? I lost.
[12:31] <\sh> StevenK: depends how you debug python-qt3...c++ sourcecode is really creepy 
[12:32] <StevenK> \sh: *Autogenerated* C++ is much much worse.
[12:32] <\sh> I know, honey, I know ;)
[12:33] <siretart> template meta programs make even more fun with AOP :)
[12:33] <lastnode> Fujitsu, you there mate?
[12:33] <ajmitch> sick people
[12:42] <Hobbsee> CypherBIOS: heya
[12:42] <CypherBIOS> Hobbsee: hi :)
[12:42] <CypherBIOS> Hobbsee: how are you today?
[12:43] <Hobbsee> okay
[12:43] <CypherBIOS> good
[12:44] <CypherBIOS> Hobbsee: I sent a email for you yesterday, when you have some time, please review the package that I've uploaded, please :)
[12:44] <Hobbsee> i saw that, in the blur
[12:45] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: likes reviewing.
[12:45] <Hobbsee> :P
[12:46] <CypherBIOS> :)
[12:46] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: not at this hour of night
[12:46] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: haha.  it's pre midnight
[12:47] <ajmitch> for you
[12:47] <CypherBIOS> wow, is morning here now \o/
[12:47] <Hobbsee> for you too?
[12:47] <ajmitch> I'm not in .au, remember?
[12:47] <ajmitch> closer to 1AM
[12:47] <Hobbsee> bah.  you should run on our timezone, you puny insignificant island!
[12:47] <Hobbsee> ah right, you're 3 hours out still...
[12:48] <ajmitch> 3 hours out?
[12:49] <StevenK> ajmitch: It's a feature.
[12:49] <ajmitch> a very special feature
[12:49] <StevenK> It's telling you that you should be using aptitude.
[12:49] <ajmitch> aptitude source doesn't work
[12:49] <ajmitch> I usually prefer aptitude
[12:49] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: as in, 3 hours difference
[12:49] <ajmitch> bug 73062
[12:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73062 in apt "[feisty]  apt and aptitude crashing" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73062
[12:49] <StevenK> Neat.
[12:50] <ajmitch> yep
[12:50] <ajmitch> maybe I should hunt down mvo
[12:50] <ajmitch> I only got bitten today
[12:51] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: and here I thought that it was 22:50 there in sydney
[12:51] <StevenK> I haven't seen that in my chroots, either.
[12:51] <Hobbsee> it is
[12:51] <ajmitch> why do you say that I'm 3 hours ahead?
[12:51] <Hobbsee> oh bugger, i cant count
[12:51] <StevenK> Muahahaha
[12:51] <StevenK> Ow!
[12:53] <ajmitch> heh
[01:03] <elkbuntu> StevenK, any more violence like that, and i say you should withhold that blue square object from her ;)
[01:04] <elkbuntu> ajmitch, kubuntu edgy cd
[01:05] <ajmitch> ah
[01:06] <elkbuntu> ajmitch, yes, same. im all out now though.
[01:06] <ajmitch> they're still in a bag here somewhere
[01:06] <elkbuntu> i should have grabbed more
[01:06] <ajmitch> oh well
[01:06] <elkbuntu> well.. by 'all out', i have still one here for myself
[01:06] <ajmitch> good
[01:06] <ajmitch> collector's item
[01:06] <elkbuntu> hehe
[01:15] <ailean> Hobbsee, are you really only 18?
[01:15] <Hobbsee> ailean: yep
[01:15] <ailean> Hobbsee, i need to get some tips from you
[01:16] <Hobbsee> ailean: what about?
[01:16] <ailean> Hobbsee, you got involved with Ubuntu very quickly . . . :)
[01:16] <Hobbsee> ailean: i'm not the youngest MOTU
[01:17] <ailean> Hobbsee, who is?
[01:17] <lastnode> heh
[01:17] <lastnode> :-)
[01:17] <ailean> you?
[01:17] <Hobbsee> jpatrik, iirc
[01:17] <lastnode> im not a MOTU, ailean 
[01:17] <ailean> what age is he/she?
[01:17] <lastnode> Hobbsee, how old?
[01:17] <Hobbsee> 14?
[01:17] <ailean> really?
[01:17] <ailean> wow
[01:17] <Hobbsee> i think so
[01:17] <Hobbsee> he migth be 15 now
[01:17] <ailean> so i have no excuses huh?
[01:17] <lastnode> Fujitsu is 15 too, iirc
[01:17] <Hobbsee> lastnode: oh yeah
[01:18] <StevenK> Oh God.
[01:18] <ajmitch> StevenK: doesn't it make you feel old?
[01:18] <StevenK> Yes. :-(
[01:18] <elkbuntu> he might be 16 by now
[01:18] <Hobbsee> he's in school.
[01:19] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, he's of employable age, so he's late 15 or early 16
[01:19] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: true
[01:19] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: then again, the min age depends on the type of employment
[01:20] <ailean> I'm 24 . . . I thought I was young
[01:20] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:20] <elkbuntu> ailean, you're younger than me, if that makes you feel better
[01:20] <ailean> elkbuntu, a bit, thank you :)
[01:20] <ajmitch> elkbuntu: only slightly
[01:21] <lastnode> elkbuntu, Fujitsu mentioned he was 15.5 a few weeks back, so maybe not just yet
[01:21] <ailean> nah, I'm more impressed with all the people doing great things at such a young age
[01:21] <elkbuntu> lastnode, thanks for the clarification :)
[01:21] <lastnode> np
[01:21] <ailean> and I need to start doing my bit
[01:22] <ailean> well, i'm closer to 25 than 24 . . . :$ seeing as we're admitting things
[01:22] <jonh_wendell> any motu guy could see bug 33235? there is a patch there
[01:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 33235 in firebird2 "Missing directory /var/run/firebird2" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/33235
[01:23] <ajmitch> seems like we have a few people here who are 24-26
[01:39] <pirast> hi, is there already a "universe-security" or "motu-security" team?
[01:40] <jonh_wendell> StevenK, around?
[01:40] <ajmitch> pirast: not a very active one, currently
[01:41] <ajmitch> there's no launchpad team for it, but the security-review mailing list is used
[01:41] <pirast> ajmitch, i know.. 
[01:41] <ajmitch> does there need to be a lp team?
[01:42] <pirast> what do you think? shall i found one? okay, i'm not that familar with packaging but pushing security patches to universe team
[01:42] <ajmitch> you can if you wish
[01:42] <pirast> the advantage would be that it can be subscribed to universe security bugs..
[01:42] <pirast> ajmitch, k.. ill think of it :-)
[01:43] <ajmitch> I don't know if the security contact field can be split down main/universe lines on malone
[01:43] <pirast> ajmitch, yeah.. when pitti is back, ill speak to him
[01:43] <ajmitch> back in an hour or so
[01:43] <pirast> okay.. thanks
[01:43] <ajmitch> he said he'd be away for ~2 hours :)
[01:44] <pirast> lol :-P
[01:44] <ajmitch> "parental tech support" :)
[01:48] <ajmitch> oh well, I think I'm going to go & sleep now
[01:48] <ajmitch> night all
[01:49] <Hobbsee> night ajmitch!
[01:52] <sivang> night ajmitch 
[02:01] <\sh> wine 0.9.26 accepted :)
[02:16] <xerxas> Hi all 
[02:17] <Nafallo> hi xeros 
[02:17] <Nafallo> hi xerxas even
[02:17] <xerxas> Hi Nafallo  
[02:17] <xerxas> even :) 
[02:17] <Nafallo> :-)
[02:17] <xerxas> is there a tool to help merges ? 
[02:17] <xerxas> merge.ubuntu.com generates reports 
[02:17] <Hobbsee> xer
[02:18] <Hobbsee> xerxas: there's a script called grab-merge.sh on the mom.  use that
[02:18] <xerxas> that mean that it does sth like dget current-version.dsc previous-version.dsc and ubuntu-current-version.dsc 
[02:18] <xerxas> on the mom ? 
[02:18] <Nafallo> anyone else running feisty that can confirm that latest update-grub removes the recovery menu entries?
[02:18] <Hobbsee> merge o matic 
[02:18] <xerxas> ok 
[02:18] <Nafallo> xerxas: there are grab-merges.sh on merges.ubuntu.com
[02:19] <xerxas> can we include grab-merge.sh in a package ? 
[02:20] <xerxas> probably in devscripts or a new package called merge-o-matic or ubuntu-devscripts ? 
[02:20] <Hobbsee> nah, just wget it
[02:20] <Hobbsee> xerxas: people use lots of different scripts - why would you?
[02:21] <xerxas> also , I think that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Merging should refer to this script 
[02:21] <Hobbsee> yes, it needs a rewrite
[02:21] <Hobbsee> Nafallo: i use /usr/local/bin
[02:21] <xerxas> Hobbsee,  why would I what ? 
[02:21] <Nafallo> Hobbsee: I don't want to use sudo to add such scripts ;-)
[02:21] <xerxas> Hobbsee,  I don't think it needs a rewrite 
[02:21] <xerxas> I learnt a lot from here 
[02:22] <Hobbsee> xerxas: why would you pack up a whole lot of scripts, seeing as different people use different ones
[02:22] <Hobbsee> Nafallo: there's a point
[02:22] <xerxas> Hobbsee,  because you can still choose not to use other's script 
[02:22] <Hobbsee> true
[02:22] <Hobbsee> devscripts has a lot of them
[02:23] <giskard> hello *
[02:23] <xerxas> yes but devscripts is a debian package, right ? 
[02:23] <Nafallo> hi giskard :-)
[02:23] <xerxas> Hi giskard  
[02:25] <xerxas> How do I use grab-merge.sh appart for removing all files in the cwd ? 
[02:25] <xerxas> :)
[02:25] <xerxas> for example, I think aircrack-ng is fairly simple to merge 
[02:26] <xerxas> I want to get an eye on it 
[02:26] <StevenK> aircrack-ng is mine, I say, mine!
[02:26] <xerxas> I need to retrieve current and previous debian version , and ubuntu futur previous version 
[02:26] <xerxas> StevenK, anyway, I need to learn 
[02:26] <StevenK> xerxas: That's not the point, you should ask first.
[02:26] <Hobbsee> xerxas: make a new directory
[02:26] <xerxas> StevenK, I'm too slow to work 
[02:26] <xerxas> so you can work on it 
[02:27] <xerxas> I was planning to ask before pushing to revu 
[02:27] <StevenK> I've already finished it. I'm waiting for the Herd freeze to lift.
[02:27] <xerxas> Hobbsee,  and then ? 
[02:27] <xerxas> Herd ? 
[02:27] <Hobbsee> xerxas: and then run the grabmerge script inside it
[02:27] <Hobbsee> StevenK: it's in universe, you can upload it.
[02:27] <StevenK> Hobbsee: I know, I want to wait.
[02:28] <xerxas> you want to wait what ? 
[02:28] <Hobbsee> even though universe isnt frozen?
[02:28] <Hobbsee> why?
[02:29] <Hobbsee> xerxas: no point doing the work, and then abandoning it.  i think you can take all of dholbach's merges
[02:30] <xerxas> Hobbsee, he doesn't have time to merge ? 
[02:30] <xerxas> Hobbsee, I want to learn and try before doing real things 
[02:30] <xerxas> I don't want to tell dhollbach I'll do sth but won't do it 
[02:30] <xerxas> and I don't want to spend time to choose what I should work on 
[02:30] <xerxas> so I took the first package that I know and that has a short list of conflicts 
[02:31] <xerxas> Hobbsee:
[02:31] <xerxas> root@panther:/home/xerxas/contrib/grab-merge# time sh ../grab-merge
[02:31] <xerxas> real    0m0.002s
[02:31] <xerxas> user    0m0.000s
[02:31] <xerxas> sys     0m0.000s
[02:31] <xerxas> root@panther:/home/xerxas/contrib/grab-merge# ls
[02:31] <xerxas> root@panther:/home/xerxas/contrib/grab-merge#
[02:32] <xerxas> as root , I should probably work as xerxas, anyway, a dev system running feisty 
[02:32] <Hobbsee> that's because you used the wrong syntax?
[02:32] <Hobbsee> that too
[02:32] <xerxas> what wrong syntax ? 
[02:33] <Hobbsee> sarah@sarah:~/devel/merges$ grab-merge.sh package
[02:33] <Hobbsee> Sure you want to delete all the files in /home/sarah/devel/merges [yn] ? y
[02:33] <Hobbsee> is the correct syntax
[02:33] <xerxas> ok 
[02:33] <xerxas> thx 
[02:33] <Hobbsee> of course, if you dont want everythhhing to delete, you can modify the script
[02:34] <xerxas> yep 
[02:34] <xerxas> ok, I got the point 
[02:34] <xerxas> grab-merge.sh shouldn't be in . 
[02:34] <xerxas> cause it removes itself 
[02:34] <xerxas> :)
[02:34] <Nafallo> LOL
[02:34] <Nafallo> ~/bin ffs :-)
[02:34] <Hobbsee> ROFL!
[02:34] <Hobbsee> yeah
[02:38] <CypherBIOS> Hobbsee: You'll take a look at my package latter? Or are you too busy now? :)
[02:38] <Hobbsee> it's far too late now
[02:38] <Hobbsee> and i'm not in a nitpicky mood :P
[02:39] <CypherBIOS> hahah, ok, np
[02:39] <CypherBIOS> can someone take a look on my package? I 
[02:40] <CypherBIOS> I want to work :)
[02:40] <CypherBIOS> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3581
[03:09] <zul> hey
[03:09] <Nafallo> hi zul :-)
[03:10] <ivoks> dholbach: hi
[03:11] <dholbach> hey ivoks
[03:33] <fabo> imbrandon: could you take a look at #73924
[03:34] <fabo> or someone member of dapper-backports ... i've done a mistake when i reported it ...
[03:53] <xerxas> Can someone help me making my first merge ?
[03:53] <xerxas> I'm trying to merge gnome-backgrounds 
[03:53] <xerxas> I use grab-merge.sh
[03:54] <xerxas> I have 1 file that conflicts 
[03:54] <xerxas> $ cat watch
[03:54] <xerxas> version=2
[03:54] <xerxas> <<<<<<< gnome-backgrounds-2.16.1-0ubuntu1 (ubuntu)
[03:54] <xerxas> ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gnome-backgrounds/2.14/ \
[03:54] <xerxas> [03:54] <xerxas> http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gnome-backgrounds/([\d\.] +)/ \
[03:54] <xerxas> >>>>>>> gnome-backgrounds-2.16.1-1 (debian)
[03:54] <xerxas>         gnome-backgrounds-(.*)\.tar\.gz \
[03:54] <xerxas>         debian uupdate
[03:54] <xerxas> the debian changelog says: switch from ftp to http 
[03:55] <xerxas> what does the file is supposed to look like ? 
[03:57] <Seeker`> xerxas: You need to look in the changelogs to see if you can find out why the change was made, and if so, if it is still valid
[03:58] <Seeker`> (i think, i only did my first merge yesterday)
[03:58] <xerxas> Seeker`, I looked at the changelog 
[03:58] <xerxas> but I don't understand the content of the "watch" file 
[03:58] <Seeker`> for the ubuntu and debian versions?
[03:58] <xerxas> it's a diff output ? 
[03:59] <Nafallo> xerxas: read the REPORT
[04:01] <xerxas> Nafallo,  ok 
[04:02] <xerxas> Nafallo, how does diff3 conflict markers works ? 
[04:02] <Nafallo> xerxas: trying to learn myself atm :-)
[04:02] <xerxas> :)
[04:02] <xerxas> ok 
[04:05] <geser> Seeker`: congratulations to your first sponsored upload
[04:06] <Seeker`> geser: Thanks :D Couldn't have done it without you
[04:07] <stgraber> If someone has some minutes, can he have a look at : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3576, thx
[04:08] <geser> Seeker`: the bug was set to "Fix Committed". Once you checked that the package built on all archs and reached the archive you can set it to "Fix Released"
[04:08] <Seeker`> geser: Where do you check?
[04:10] <geser> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/eterm -> Target: feisty -> View Builds -> and select "All states"
[04:10] <geser> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty/+source/eterm/+builds?build_state=all
[04:10] <geser> you will see it build on all archs
[04:12] <Seeker`> and how do you know when it reaches the archive?
[04:13] <rukuartic> Yo guys. Looking to build an Ubuntu Distro (mythTV based). Any things you could suggest I read? (Sorry if this is the wrong spot...)
[04:13] <geser> http://packages.ubuntu.com/eterm
[04:14] <Seeker`> so when 
[04:14] <Seeker`> feisty (x11): Enlightened Terminal Emulator [universe] 
[04:14] <Seeker`> 0.9.3-1ubuntu1: amd64 i386 powerpc
[04:14] <Seeker`> changes to 0.9.4 it has reached the archives I can change it to released?
[04:14] <geser> yes
[04:14] <Seeker`> ok
[04:14] <Seeker`> how long does it take?
[04:15] <xerxas> Nafallo, I fixed the watch file I took the old one and I think I know how diff3 confilt markers works 
[04:15] <chillywilly> great, squid is horribly broken in dapper
[04:15] <xerxas> now, I cannot run dpkg-genchanges -S -v2.16.1-0ubuntu1
[04:15] <chillywilly> at least for a transparent proxy
[04:15] <chillywilly> why is there not a newer package?
[04:15] <chillywilly> there's an upstream fix
[04:16] <xerxas> $ LANG=C dpkg-genchanges -S -v2.16.1-0ubuntu1
[04:16] <xerxas> dpkg-parsechangelog: error: cannot open debian/changelog to find format: No such file or directory
[04:16] <xerxas> dpkg-genchanges: error: syntax error in parsed version of changelog at line 0: empty file
[04:16] <geser> Seeker`: usually a few hours but as currently the archive is frozen (for Herd 1) it can take some time (universe packages has to be accepted by hand)
[04:16] <xerxas> but the file debian/changelog exists and is not empty 
[04:16] <geser> xerxas: you need to be inside the package dir
[04:16] <xerxas> doesn't work either I think so 
[04:17] <xerxas> $ LANG=C dpkg-genchanges -S -v2.16.1-0ubuntu1
[04:17] <xerxas> dpkg-genchanges: error: cannot open .dsc file ../gnome-backgrounds_2.16.1-1ubuntu1.dsc: No such file or directory
[04:17] <xerxas> $ ls -l ../*ubuntu*dsc
[04:17] <xerxas> -rw-r--r-- 1 xerxas xerxas 1407 2006-10-02 18:05 ../gnome-backgrounds_2.16.1-0ubuntu1.dsc
[04:18] <Seeker`> what exactly is Herd 1? I keep on hearing references to it, but i dont know what it is
[04:18] <xerxas> howcome grab-merge.sh generates a -1ubuntu1 and I have a -0ubuntu1 ? 
[04:18] <Nafallo> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -S -v2.16.1-0ubuntu1
[04:18] <Nafallo> xerxas: ^
[04:18] <xerxas> Nafallo,  this generates a dsc file ?
[04:19] <geser> Seeker`: Herd 1 is the first beta release for feisty
[04:19] <geser> more alpha release then beta
[04:20] <Seeker`> ok
[04:20] <xerxas>  Nafallo : should'nt the report mention this ? 
[04:20] <rukuartic> DX Wrong spot to ask questions :P Sorry guys.
[04:20] <Seeker`> what sort of time scale before it is unfrozen again?
[04:20] <Nafallo> xerxas: it generates everything you need :-P
[04:20] <xerxas> Nafallo,  then I don't need to run "dpkg-genchanges -S -v2.16.1-0ubuntu1" after running dpkg-buildpackage ... 
[04:20] <xerxas> ?
[04:21] <geser> Seeker`: once Herd 1 is released, should be today or tomorrow
[04:21] <geser> xerxas: not until you are a MOTU
[04:22] <xerxas> geser,  so I'm supposed to be ok now, I need to put the stuff in revu ? 
[04:22] <xerxas> or try the package with pbuilder ? 
[04:22] <Nafallo> xerxas: right
[04:23] <Nafallo> xerxas: pbuilder
[04:23] <geser> xerxas: revu is for new packages
[04:23] <geser> xerxas: test build your merged package in a feisty pbuilder
[04:23] <chillywilly> is it possible to downgrade and pin that package to the downgraded dist/version?
[04:23] <Nafallo> downgrades are not supported
[04:24] <Seeker`> geser: Cool. Thanks again for all the help
[04:25] <xerxas> geser, Nafallo ,  the modifications are really small , anyway, trying to build, but what then ? 
[04:25] <xerxas> How/Where do I submit my stuff for merging / inclusion ? 
[04:26] <Nafallo> no idea. I will upload mine...
[04:26] <geser> xerxas: file a bug against the source package on LP, attach the debdiff, subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors, wait
[04:27] <geser> you get a debdiff by running: debdiff debian_version.dsc your_merged_version.dsc > debdiff
[04:27] <xerxas> ubuntu-universe-sponsors , it's a team ? 
[04:27] <geser> yes
[04:28] <xerxas> kj
[04:28] <xerxas> k
[04:28] <xerxas> thanks 
[04:28] <geser> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[04:29] <xerxas> yes, wiating for moderation for my subscription ! 
[04:29] <xerxas> anyway , I think I have a problem 
[04:29] <Nafallo> moderation?
[04:29] <Nafallo> you don't have to join the team to subscribe them?
[04:30] <geser> you don't need to be a member of this team
[04:30] <xerxas> k 
[04:30] <xerxas> I didn't understood :) 
[04:30] <xerxas> no I got it 
[04:30] <xerxas> I should subscribe this team to the bug 
[04:30] <xerxas> my problem: 
[04:30] <xerxas> xerxas@panther:~/contrib/gnome-backgrounds/gnome-backgrounds-2.16.1-1ubuntu1$ ls ../*ubuntu*dsc
[04:30] <xerxas> ../gnome-backgrounds_2.16.1-0ubuntu1.dsc
[04:30] <xerxas> xerxas@panther:~/contrib/gnome-backgrounds/gnome-backgrounds-2.16.1-1ubuntu1$ head -3 debian/changelog
[04:30] <xerxas> gnome-backgrounds (2.16.1-1ubuntu1) feisty; urgency=low
[04:30] <xerxas>   * Merge from debian unstable.
[04:32] <geser> have you updated the changelog? added the remaining changes?
[04:35] <Nafallo> hmm
[04:35] <Nafallo> anyone wants to look at wave-look @ REVU?
[04:40] <Nafallo> gaah
[04:40] <Nafallo> FTBFS :-(
[04:43] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:43] <Nafallo> hi bddebian 
[04:44] <bddebian> Heya Nafallo
[04:45] <sivang> hi bddebian 
[04:46] <bddebian> Heya sivang
[04:47] <xerxas> geser,  didn't grab-merge.sh generated the changelog ?
[04:47] <Nafallo> slomo: here? :-)
[04:47] <xerxas> the changelog have a version that is more recent than the dsc file 
[04:54] <xerxas> geser,  am I supposed to run debuild -S ? 
[04:55] <xerxas> debuild -sa (for not signing the stuff, because I don't have the private mom's private key) 
[05:22] <fernando> can somebody review the http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3551 ? thanks
[06:18] <jonh_wendell> Hi ajmitch
[06:33] <palski> what do you think is bug #73720 SRU material? Imho it is not very harmful to users
[06:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73720 in gtetrinet "Crashes on first startup" [Unknown,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73720
[07:01] <PriceChild> Is there anyone that could shed some light on Hobbsee's last question here: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3582 ? Thanks for any help
[07:03] <LaserJock> PriceChild: about what? pot files?
[07:03] <PriceChild> yeah
[07:04] <LaserJock> in KDE that have files for .pot generation I think
[07:05] <PriceChild> ok so i'll need to learn about those and sort that out then I suppose :)
[07:05] <PriceChild> I was soooo close.... she advocated it in that first comment but took it back :'(
[07:06] <LaserJock> well, I'm not really sure you need to do anything
[07:06] <fdoving> PriceChild: loooking at the diff i can't see that you included anything related to .pot files.
[07:06] <PriceChild> I'd never heard of them before :$
[07:06] <fdoving> if it's there it comes from the orig.tar.gz
[07:06] <fdoving> and then it's ok.
[07:09] <PriceChild> no there isn't any pot files in tehre at all
[07:10] <fdoving> from upstream? 
[07:10] <fdoving> in po/
[07:13] <PriceChild> argh wait yeah just seen it
[07:13] <PriceChild> fdoving sorry i've just got to pop out for a bit
[07:14] <PriceChild> thanks for helping
[07:14] <PriceChild> hopefully you'll be free later
[07:14] <PriceChild> sorry
[07:15] <proppy> dholbach: just mailed gnome-games for poker2d integration \o/
[07:18] <proppy> crimsun: here ?
[07:21] <crimsun> proppy: hi.
[07:22] <proppy> crimsun: i'm looking syncing a set of library from debian,
[07:23] <proppy> crimsun: and from merges.ubuntu.com, it appear you already merged one of thoose :)
[07:23] <proppy> crimsun: libpoker-eval and pypoker-eval
[07:24] <proppy> crimsun: i'm looking forward merging all our library plus the 2d client and server
[07:24] <proppy> crimsun: listed on http://pokersource.info/developers/index.php
[07:25] <proppy> crimsun: (reading your motu-school session about merging)
[07:26] <palski> crimsun: If you have time, I added more information to that SRU, is there enough information now (bug #73780)?
[07:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73780 in kdbus "[SRU]  kdbus (edgy)" [Low,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73780
[07:31] <proppy> crimsun: oups it's seems that they're already in sync with debian
[07:34] <crimsun> proppy: poker-eval is synced, yes.
[07:35] <crimsun> in a few minutes, I'll look at pypoker-eval and see whether its delta can be overwritten
[07:35] <proppy> crimsun: looks poker-network and poker-engine too.
[07:35] <crimsun> palski: will look in a few minutes
[07:35] <palski> crimsun: thanks
[07:35] <proppy> crimsun: thanks
[07:53] <rexbron> What is the procidure for getting package that are already being compiled for Ubuntu and stored in a 3rd party repo into universe?
[07:54] <LaserJock> rexbron: submit it to REVU
[07:54] <LaserJock> !REVU
[07:54] <ubotu> REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[07:55] <rexbron> LaserJock: my only issue with that is that there are many packages sitting without any attention being paid to them
[07:55] <rexbron> (one I uploaded included)
[07:55] <enyc> meepmoop
[07:58] <LaserJock> rexbron: the won't get uploaded any faster if they aren't on REVU. I agree that we are pretty behind on the list
[07:58] <rexbron> ok
[07:58] <LaserJock> you can do a little poking to see if somebody will review it
[07:58] <rexbron> I subscribed to the REVU mailing list
[07:58] <LaserJock> but we are pretty swamped so it can take some time
[07:58] <rexbron> so thats a start
[07:58] <rexbron> to be expected
[07:59] <enyc> a Friend of mine is having the problem with edgy that the built-in vnc server ('desktop sharing') does not seem to _save_ the password correctly. -- i.e. if "require password" is selected and a password is saved in there, and the "ask for confirmation" is not selected -- the passwrd auth DOES work until the system is _restarted_ at whcih time it will NO LONGER work until the password is re-entered in the configuration for 'desktop sharing'
[07:59] <enyc> o hangon i'm in the motu channel argh
[08:00] <rexbron> If your interested in what I am looking to try and get into Universe, check out jahshaka.org
[08:01] <rexbron> The packages are for dapper and breazy, but I tested them on edgy and they appeared to work fine
[08:02] <rexbron> I am also looking at packaging, with a friend, cinelerra for Fiesty (as the previous 3rd party maintaner does not have the time)
[08:03] <superm1> LaserJock, did you finish securing those boxes of yours from yesterday?
[08:04] <LaserJock> superm1: yeah, I just need to convince the IT admin to unblock the mac address
[08:06] <superm1> hehe
[08:07] <superm1> i'd say just spoof it, but you probably won't be on his good side after that
[08:07] <LaserJock> yeah
[08:08] <LaserJock> interestingly though I can at least do web browsing with the wifi
[08:08] <superm1> web browsing to just your internal campus web sites?
[08:08] <LaserJock> no
[08:08] <superm1> i know my school will ban to the extent that you can only get to internal school websites and the regular .edu for the school
[08:09] <superm1> so you can still check your webmail for them and such if need be
[08:09] <superm1> thats kinda odd then
[08:09] <LaserJock> so ethernet is still banned, but wifi is ok for that computer
[08:09] <zul> LaserJock: may i suggest firebombing as a way of convincing them
[08:10] <zul> im a freaking pyromaniac
[08:10] <superm1> yikes.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firebombing
[08:10] <LaserJock> zul: I asked my sysadmin if he would email them and he said "they never listen to me, you better contact the IT guy directly"
[08:10] <LaserJock> :/
[08:10] <zul> effective sysadmin
[08:10] <LaserJock> yeah
[08:10] <LaserJock> nice guy, loves Ubuntu
[08:11] <LaserJock> but nobody seems to listen to him
[08:11] <zul> well he does have one thing running for him then
[08:12] <ajmitch> hi
[08:13] <zul> like ajmitch
[08:13] <ajmitch> :P
[08:13] <ajmitch> I come in, I get abuse
[08:13] <ajmitch> typical day
[08:13] <zul> oh we like you alot...
[08:14] <superm1> would any of you 3 have a moment for a revu?
[08:14] <zul> not as much as you think though
[08:25] <ajmitch> LaserJock: ready for your session?
[08:26] <LaserJock> no
[08:27] <LaserJock> ajmitch: but I wasn't for the first one either
[08:27] <crimsun> lies. Those MOTU deities and poppycock butterflies.
[08:27] <LaserJock> hah
[08:28] <LaserJock> I tell ya, yesterday's activites made me feel quite mortal :/
[08:28] <crimsun> you ain't here in the peanut gallery :-)
[08:29] <LaserJock> I'm in the peanut gallery, they just give me a megaphone so I can shout louder
[08:30] <crimsun> ah, so you're mingling amongst the common folk, hehe
[08:30] <ajmitch> lowering himself to our status
[08:30] <ajmitch> how humbling :)
[08:31] <LaserJock> hah
[08:31] <LaserJock> I'm just hoping seb goes 2 hrs again ;-)
[08:32] <ajmitch> seb is always punctual
[08:34] <ajmitch> LaserJock: don't worry, we could never do what you do :)
[08:35] <LaserJock> whatever, that's just plain not true
[08:37] <bhale> is this seb question hour again?
[08:37] <LaserJock> yep
[08:38] <bhale> wonder why
[08:38] <LaserJock> because there are 2 of each session
[08:39] <bhale> most of the questions ive seen are "can you include my bluesky fantasy?"
[08:39] <bhale> or "ZOMG BERYL"
[08:39] <bhale> oh well.
[08:40] <zul> zounds
[08:43] <bhale> told you so.
[08:44] <ajmitch> sigh
[08:45] <zul> its like killing kittens 
[08:46] <LaserJock> nah, this is more fun
[08:46] <ajmitch> you have experience with both then?
[08:47] <LaserJock> no comment
[08:48] <LaserJock> I grew up in the backwoods of Montana, we did all kinds of stuff like that
[08:48] <LaserJock> although kittens are crossing the line
[08:48] <LaserJock> but mountain lions (big kittens) sure
[08:48] <ajmitch> heh
[08:49] <ajmitch> LaserJock: nervous yet?
[08:50] <LaserJock> oh, I don't know
[08:50] <zul> how about now
[08:50] <LaserJock> trying to collect data to make up time from yesterday
[08:50] <ajmitch> not possible for the superstars to get nervous
[08:50] <LaserJock> since yesterday was pretty much shot
[08:59] <rmjb> hey ajmitch or LaserJock, I made the mistake earlier of doing a ping on #ubuntu-classroom-chat... I didn't know what I was doing... and Seveas banned me, but not I can't perticipate fully in the Ubuntu Open Week
[08:59] <rmjb> can someone unban me? :(
[08:59] <bhale> from?
[09:00] <bhale> oh
[09:00] <ajmitch> irssi isn't cooperating, so I can't
[09:00] <jdong> rmjb: did imbrandon ever come back?
[09:00] <bhale> i dont have channel access
[09:00] <bhale> or I would
[09:00] <rmjb> from #ubuntu-classroom-chat
[09:00] <ajmitch> good luck, LaserJock 
[09:01] <rmjb> guess I'll just have to listen to LaserJock then...
[09:01] <rmjb> jdong: I'm not sure if he did
[09:01] <jdong> well , I take it he's "at work" now :)
[09:01] <amnesia> re
[09:01] <rmjb> shh... so am I
[09:02] <jdong> ha
[09:02] <jdong> now it's the day of weird ways of connecting to IRC....
[09:02] <jdong> lovely 3-5s lag
[09:03] <bhale> rmjb: the ops have spoke, you are still out
[09:03] <bhale> don't go nuts with CTCP in the future, I guess.
[09:04] <jdong> rmjb: what did you do?
[09:04] <rmjb> I did an ping on the room
[09:04] <bhale> he did a CTCP PING on the whole channel
[09:04] <bhale> it isnt really open for further discussion
[09:04] <jdong> oh 
[09:04] <jdong> :)
[09:04] <jdong> no comment then :)
[09:04] <rmjb> what's the ban period like? I claim ignorance of irc commands
[09:05] <jdong> I'm on a low-bandwidth connection or else I'd answer this myself... are ubuntu wine packages nowadays just renames of winehq packaging?
[09:05] <crimsun> ouch, 2.6.19 appears to have released with fairly nasty alsa regressions
[09:05] <bhale> rmjb: this is not the place for appeals
[09:05] <jdong> crimsun: really? but linus said.... :)
[09:05] <bhale> #ubuntu-ops if you are so bold
[09:05] <bhale> I already asked on your behalf
[09:05] <bhale> and the answer was "no"
[09:06] <bhale> I would recommend moving on
[09:06] <rmjb> "Seveas requested CTCP VERSION from rmjb" what do I do to this? ping him back?
[09:06] <bhale> he removed your ban
[09:06] <bhale> please play nice
[09:07] <amnesia> *sigh* I thought these kind of guys are only on ircnet
[09:07] <jdong> and this is why we need an xchat-gnome-gnome that removes all the irc commands but /join /part and /me :D
[09:07] <bhale> oh CGI:IRC
[09:07] <bhale> good one
[09:07] <jdong> bhale: his excuse was that he was at work :)
[09:07] <bhale> did he say something to -ops?
[09:08] <jdong> I wouldn't know.
[09:09] <rmjb> guess cgi:irc isn't holding up
[09:09] <jdong> ha
[09:09] <rmjb> if it was said I missed it, what's the ban period like?
[09:09] <jdong> rmjb: your ban has been removed
[09:10] <rmjb> thankt you thank you
[09:10] <rmjb> I wont try untested irc commands again!
[09:10] <jdong> now stop clicking random buttons on your IRC client :)
[09:10] <jdong> however fun that is
[09:10] <jdong> instead, I suggest you try ettercap on your coworkers
[09:10] <jdong> (j/k) :)
[09:12] <jdong> superm1: those make for the best "those were the days.." stories 
[09:12] <superm1> haha
[09:13] <jdong> oh boy, like that one time at a hotel when I tried spoofing my MAC on their wired network....
[09:14] <superm1> you really catch a lot of AIM conversations that really shouldnt be going on at work.  its really funny
[09:14] <jdong> apparently someone else was doing the same, and 00:11:22:33:44:55 was a really popular choice...
[09:14] <superm1> haha
[09:14] <jdong> I still rest my case that cisco is to blame
[09:14] <jdong> no "smart" switch should just fall to its knees with a single duplicate MAC
[09:14] <superm1> no kidding
[09:15] <superm1> jdong were you the one working on that package that tests wireless security of concourse AP's?
[09:15] <jdong> superm1: yeah
[09:15] <superm1> hows that coming along?
[09:15] <jdong> superm1: I have it working to the best of my knowledge
[09:15] <jdong> superm1: it works on two wayport AP's locally
[09:16] <superm1> awesome
[09:16] <jdong> superm1: https://launchpad.net/products/barnacle
[09:16] <jdong> :)
[09:16] <rmjb> jdong: what's a good way to check if I'm still connected to irc? that's why I tried that foolish ping earlier
[09:16] <superm1> ping yourself perhaps on irc?
[09:16] <jdong> rmjb: don't ping the entire channel?
[09:17] <jdong> and I'd be a bad choice to ping, with a whopping 9.6Kbit connection to the internet :)
[09:17] <superm1> rmjb, also if you use XChat, you get a nice little lag meter on the right
[09:18] <superm1> jdong, i'll bookmark this and give it a shot next time I travel
[09:18] <jdong> superm1: ha, have fun :)
[09:18] <jdong> play nicely, and NEVER EVER TRY IT ON A WIRED NETWORK :D
[09:19] <superm1> hehe
[09:19] <superm1> i *always* play nicely
[09:19] <jdong> rmjb: I guess you weren't connected :)
[09:20] <superm1> rmjb, can you ssh out from work?
[09:20] <rmjb> nah firewalled up the wazoo!
[09:20] <rmjb> get web access through proxy servers
[09:20] <superm1> ouch that hurts
[09:20] <superm1> socks proxy?
[09:21] <superm1> or http only
[09:21] <rmjb> ISA!
[09:21] <superm1> ugh...
[09:21] <rmjb> http only
[09:21] <rmjb> I know because I'm in the network admin dep't ;p
[09:21] <jdong> rmjb: ugh... does it operate on a ports whitelist or actual protocol detection?
[09:21] <jdong> rmjb: I've been able to sneak out onto SSH servers operating on port 80/443
[09:21] <jdong> on similar networks
[09:22] <jdong> or tor.... though that's really really noisy and probably a great way to get fired
[09:22] <rmjb> PC's dont' go out throught the firewall at all, they all go through proxy servers
[09:22] <rmjb> so unless ssh can go through a proxy server...
[09:23] <jdong> rmjb: putty :)
[09:23] <superm1> well i have heard of ways to tunnel ssh over an http connection, but i never got it to work through ISA
[09:23] <jdong> rmjb: putty can go out through a http or socks proxy
[09:23] <bhale> putty will tunnel ssh over https proxy
[09:23] <rmjb> really! will look into that
[09:23] <jdong> it's worth a shot
[09:24] <bhale> the trick is
[09:24] <bhale> you need to run sshd on port 443
[09:24] <bhale> because other ports will be blocked
[09:24] <jdong> though a really anal proxy would realize that it's not http traffic and refuse
[09:24] <bhale> no it wouldnt
[09:24] <bhale> SSL occurs before HTTP
[09:24] <jdong> hmm, I'll have to check out our Siemens VDO proxy again then
[09:25] <jdong> it definitely did refuse SSH on 443 while accepting HTTPS at the same IP on 443
[09:25] <rmjb> I could reconfigure the firewall for this week... but that would be frowned upon... I will look into putty through ISA though
[09:25] <bhale> sounds like serious inspection going on
[09:25] <bhale> ethereal can spot SSH setup
[09:25] <jdong> interesting
[09:26] <bhale> you dont normally expect that kind of packet inspection from a proxy, though
[09:26] <superm1> this is the other app you can look into: http://www.nocrew.org/software/httptunnel.html
[09:26] <superm1> with a nice howto here: http://sebsauvage.net/punching/
[09:26] <jdong> bhale: IIRC Putty kept on returning 403's, but when I swapped sshd with apache on 443, the proxy let through the connection
[09:27] <jdong> so then I was reduced to webmin's CGI shell
[09:27] <jdong> which was less than fun
[09:28] <jdong> crimsun: what kind of regressions are in 2.6.19
[09:28] <jdong> I was considering using it on one of my boxes
[09:28] <rmjb> there seems like a lot of promise here... I should have mentioned this to you guys before... cgi:irc is a pain
[09:30] <fernando> somebody with free time to review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3591 ? =) thanks
[09:58] <amnesia> I am creating a debian/rules for my new (and simple) package
[09:59] <amnesia> is there anything smaller/easier than the one on http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-scratch.html
[09:59] <amnesia> it really doesn't need anything special just a ./configure, I hoped a more simple rules would suffice for start
[10:03] <LaserJock> amnesia: maybe check the debhelper section
[10:03] <amnesia> k thanks
[10:03] <LaserJock> amnesia: it does get easier then that one ;-)
[10:03] <amnesia> hehe
[10:04] <amnesia> eh, I thought dh_ is for danielHolbach, not for debHelper :)
[10:04] <LaserJock> some say it is ;-)
[10:13] <snoogie_> Hello
[10:15] <bhale> ah
[10:15] <proppy> oh
[10:15] <proppy> so
[10:15] <bhale> < bhale> why do they need a different version
[10:15] <bhale> < bhale> of the same depend
[10:15] <proppy> let's take a concret exemple
[10:15] <bhale> please
[10:16] <proppy> package name issue : with python2.3 vs 2.4
[10:16] <proppy> and version issue with debhelper
[10:16] <bhale> I clearly said name
[10:16] <bhale> and you said version
[10:16] <vil> dholbach: ping
[10:17] <bhale> but I understand (again)
[10:17] <proppy> there is both sorry
[10:17] <dholbach> vil: pong
[10:17] <amnesia> Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, libgtk2.0-dev
[10:17] <bhale> unstable and feisty both have python2.4
[10:17] <amnesia> is this the good way to add a dependency?
[10:17] <bhale> amnesia: that is a Depends:
[10:17] <bhale> runtime
[10:17] <bhale> you would almost never need -dev there
[10:17] <vil> dholbach: I watch the fridge events, but so far there is no board meeting
[10:18] <vil> dholbach: however, today is a ubuntu dev meeting
[10:18] <amnesia> bhale: ah sorry, I mean build-depends of course, lemme check
[10:18] <bhale> amnesia: yes that is where you meant to put it.
[10:18] <vil> dholbach: I wonder if did get renamed
[10:18] <dholbach> vil: hum, I'm sorry - I don't know anything about it - maybe you drop a mail to ubuntu-devel@ about it?
[10:19] <dholbach> or hang on
[10:19] <amnesia> bhale: comma separated?
[10:19] <dholbach> the techboard has a mailing list itself
[10:19] <bhale> amnesia: yes.
[10:19] <amnesia> k
[10:19] <snoogie_> Is there a french speaker here ?
[10:19] <proppy> bhale: http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/unittest++-0611301030/linda
[10:19] <proppy> bhale: for exemple
[10:19] <dholbach> vil: technical-board@lists.ubuntu.com
[10:20] <vil> hang on does not sound bad
[10:20] <bhale> proppy: yawn
[10:20] <vil> I will check that
[10:20] <proppy> bhale: if i correct this warning by changing the minimum version of debhelper
[10:20] <proppy> bhale: it won't build anymore on sarge
[10:20] <proppy> bhale: with the same control file
[10:20] <bhale> I think you are really making too much work of this
[10:21] <bhale> fix the build system to take more than one source package
[10:21] <bhale> ours uses the hint in changelog
[10:21] <bhale> feisty, dapper, unstable, etc
[10:21] <snoogie_> I am new here, I am a C++ coder and I want to help, someone can tell me how ? which doc I need to read or what I can do ?
[10:21] <proppy> ok, thanks
[10:21] <snoogie_> Sorry for my broken english :D
[10:22] <proppy> don't want to bother you more with that :)
[10:22] <bhale> no problem, but it is rather a hack to solve it in one debian dir
[10:22] <proppy> i find it handy to have only one source package to submit to the build system
[10:22] <proppy> and then watch it build for all debian based distribution
[10:23] <bhale> that has never been how the "real" debian/ubuntu build systems work
[10:23] <bhale> so the packaging systems dont account for it
[10:23] <bhale> the packager does.
[10:24] <proppy> :)
[10:24] <proppy> very wise thoughts
[10:27] <proppy> becoming or working closer with a motu can help to submit directly to universe
[10:27] <proppy> instead of waiting for the sync ?
[10:28] <snoogie_> hello
[10:28] <snoogie_> Can you see me now ?
[10:28] <LaserJock> !packagingguide > snoogie_ 
[10:28] <LaserJock> snoogie_: yes we can
[10:29] <amnesia> when creating a gpg key to sign a package, should it be default, rsa or dsa
[10:29] <snoogie_> Thanks for url :)
[10:30] <amnesia> "DSA and Elgamal" is default
[10:30] <snoogie_> I have many read to do before asking some questions :D
[10:30] <proppy> bhale: thanks for your help :)
[10:30] <snoogie_> Sorry for my broken english
[10:30] <bhale> proppy: cheers.
[10:30] <LaserJock> snoogie_: no problem
[10:34] <geser> amnesia: if you have no specific reason to change stay with the default (DSA + ElGamal)
[10:35] <amnesia> ok did so
[10:36] <snoogie_> any french user here ?
[10:37] <LaserJock> snoogie_: there are some french speaking people around, but I think probably some of them are away right now
[10:39] <snoogie_> Ok thanks 
[10:39] <stgraber> snoogie_: je parle franais, mais aprs il faut voir si je peux t'aider, n'tant pas MOTU moi-mme :)
[10:39] <snoogie_> Did the ubuntu packager guide is available as PDF ?
[10:39] <proppy> snoogie_: pareil :)
[10:39] <stgraber> :)
[10:40] <stgraber> snoogie_: It should be, have a look at doc.u.c
[10:40] <snoogie_> stgraber, ok en fait je vais lire toute la doc, je developpe en C++ et aimerai aider mais je cherche comment commencer :D
[10:40] <jdong> god fscking who's stupid idea was it to distribute bittorrent clients via bittorrent?!?
[10:40] <LaserJock> snoogie_: yes it is
[10:40] <stgraber> well more help.u.c
[10:40] <LaserJock> jdong: hahaha
[10:40] <stgraber> snoogie_: si tu sais coder, c'est plutt du cter d'un soft integr  Ubuntu ou en faisant du dbug et correction de bug
[10:41] <stgraber> snoogie_: la cration de paquetage ne ncessite pas de connaissance en programmation sauf s'il faut adapter le code pour qu'il passe sur d'autre architecture
[10:41] <snoogie_> Et MOTU c juste packager les softs 
[10:41] <snoogie_> ah ok :D
[10:41] <jdong> ~/bin/madison-sync
[10:41] <jdong> grr
[10:41] <snoogie_> je croyais que les MOTU codais aussi 
[10:41] <snoogie_> codaient
[10:41] <jdong> you're not rxvt
[10:42] <snoogie_> arf
[10:42] <stgraber> snoogie_: au niveau des outils d'administration d'Ubuntu, le python est prioritaire, C++ est surtout utilis par KDE
[10:42] <stgraber> et certains utilitaires Gnome
[10:42] <snoogie_> en lisant le guide je commencais a comprendre en plus lol 
[10:42] <stgraber> MOTU = Master of the Universe, ce sont ceux choisissant les paquets entrant dans Universe et les packagant (entre autre)
[10:42] <amnesia> gpg: secret key not available
[10:42] <amnesia> I did something wrong :)
[10:42] <stgraber> donc les notions de programmation aident mais sont pas ncessaire
[10:43] <snoogie_> le python ... j'arrive pas a mi faire et puis comme je code 8h par jour au C++ depuis 8 mois et que j'ai toujours pas saisi toutes les subtilitees de ce langage :D
[10:43] <snoogie_> lol
[10:43] <snoogie_> Bon ok
[10:43] <stgraber> J'ai appris les baess du python en 1 semaine :), a dpend du language que tu as fait avant
[10:44] <geser> amnesia: when did you get this error?
[10:44] <amnesia> debuild -S
[10:44] <stgraber> pour python du moment que tu es habitu  l'orient objet, tu l'apprends sans trops de soucis, juste la syntaxe qui est un peu trange au dbut :)
[10:44] <amnesia> geser:  debuild -S
[10:44] <snoogie_> j'ai fais un peu de perl 
[10:44] <snoogie_> mais cet esprit de non-compilation ... :D
[10:45] <stgraber> moi aussi, c'est un language que j'aime bien
[10:45] <snoogie_> c abus des fois :D
[10:45] <stgraber> python est gallement non-compil bien que compilable
[10:45] <geser> amnesia: does your uid on that key match with the your name+email address in changelog?
[10:46] <amnesia> might not, letme see
[10:46] <snoogie_> les fichiers .pyc c ca?
[10:46] <amnesia> geser: you're right thanks
[10:46] <stgraber> donc en gros si tu veux coder et utiliser tes notions de C++, je te recommande de regarder les rapports de bugs sur launchpad et si tu en trouves un intressant et dont le logiciel d'intrese, te recuprer les sources, essayer de trouver le bug, ...
[10:46] <stgraber> oui
[10:46] <amnesia> geser: not sure who I am :)
[10:47] <amnesia> oops. I made a debian package
[10:47] <LaserJock> heh
[10:47] <LaserJock> that's a quote to remember
[10:48] <snoogie_> ok mais en gnl comment etre sur que je suis le seul a bosser dessus ou que qqun d'autre va pas sortir une correction avant moi ?
[10:48] <amnesia> LaserJock: yeah I mean I was sitting on the bus today thinking about that I should try it. and now look what happened
[10:48] <snoogie_> et comment remonter la correction ?
[10:48] <snoogie_> fichier .diff ?
[10:49] <stgraber> Launchpad rfrence les bugs rapports par les utilisateurs d'Ubuntu, ensuite les projets ont en gnral leur propre site web avec un outil de rapport de bug
[10:49] <stgraber> donc un moyen est de regarder si le bug est aussi rapport chez eux
[10:49] <stgraber> et voir si un patch a t envoy
[10:49] <amnesia> ok will upload it to revu and see what the -devel ML says about my proposal
[10:49] <amnesia> see you on the other side
[10:49] <stgraber> si c'est pas le cas tu peux en faire un
[10:49] <stgraber> et attacher le .patch au bug
[10:49] <stgraber> soit sur Launchpad soit sur leur systme de rapport de bug
[10:50] <stgraber> si c'est sur Launchpad quelqu'un le fera remont chez eux normallement
[10:52] <snoogie_> ok derniere question (enfin j'espere) tu as l'adresse du launchpad de bugs ? J'ai trouve ca : https://launchpad.net/ mais ca a pas l'air bon
[10:53] <snoogie_> ok https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu
[10:53] <snoogie_> lol
[10:53] <snoogie_> je suis une burne c'etait ecrit en gros
[11:00] <snoogie_> bon ba merci je v aller lire tout ca
[11:00] <snoogie_> merci encore
[11:02] <stgraber> sorry for the french flood on the channel :)
[11:02] <ajmitch> stgraber: it's ok, I understood most of it :)
[11:05] <CypherBIOS> LaserJock: I'm new here. I'd like to know who are the peoples that review the packages on REVU, can you tell me?
[11:06] <ajmitch> any MOTU with time
[11:06] <LaserJock> that would be the MOTU
[11:06] <LaserJock> who are the ubuntu-dev team on Launchpad
[11:06] <CypherBIOS> oh, right... tnx :)
[11:08] <ajmitch> eg LaserJock is a MOTU, who sometimes has time for reviewing when he's not on the international speaking circuit
[11:09] <LaserJock> haha
[11:09] <CypherBIOS> haaahhha
[11:09] <CypherBIOS> LaserJock: too busy now?!
[11:10] <LaserJock> yes, unfortunatly
[11:11] <LaserJock> must get data for a group meeting tomorrow
[11:11] <CypherBIOS> oh, ok. np
[11:12] <CypherBIOS> ajmitch: are you on an "international speaking circuit"? Or you can spent some time to review an package? :P
[11:13] <ajmitch> no, I'm not important enough to be a speaker
[11:13] <ajmitch> however I am trying to write up some PHP code at work :)
[11:13] <CypherBIOS> eheheh
[11:32] <bluefoxicy> xnest
[11:32] <bluefoxicy> "Use of Zephyr is recommended instead"
[11:33] <bluefoxicy> Category:  Main.
[11:33] <bluefoxicy> xserver-xephyr.  Category:  Universe
[11:33] <ajmitch> submit a patch, file a bug, whateveer
[11:33] <ajmitch> you've used launchpad
[11:33] <bluefoxicy> ajmitch:  I see you don't share in my amusement at having an officially supported package recommend use of a non-supported package instead ;)
[11:34] <ajmitch> no, I don't 
[11:34] <bluefoxicy> but yes I'll get right on that.
[11:34] <bluefoxicy> I suspect the first response is, "Who's going to maintain it?  You?" (unless it has a dedicated maintainer already)
[11:57] <theCore> does Herd 1 has been released?
[11:58] <theCore> there seems to be a daily build, but I am not sure if it's Herd 1 
[11:58] <theCore> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20061130.2/
[12:05] <_MMA_> theCore: I installed it earlier. It was Edgy.
[12:06] <_MMA_> theCore: Oh wait. Your link is .2 :)
[12:07] <theCore> I want the daily alternate
[12:07] <theCore> I don't want to download the live cd to save some bandwidth
[12:07] <theCore> so, I use jigdo
[12:07] <_MMA_> Yea... Looks like Desktop only for now.
[12:09] <theCore> there's a daily of the alternate CD, but it seems named Edgy ...  
[12:09] <_MMA_> Yea. THATS the one I got earlier. :(
[12:09] <_MMA_> Guess their still building.
[12:10] <theCore> I think I will wait then