=== plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rmjb [n=richard@cuscon10975.tstt.net.tt] has joined #ubuntu-motu === stani [n=stani@85.148.236.59] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:29] hello [12:30] anyone here? === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-123-177.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:30] hello stani [12:31] i have a simple question, I guess [12:31] hey stani [12:31] I am new here (effect of the ubuntu open week) [12:31] welcome [12:32] so what's your question? [12:33] I develop SPE, a Python Editor, which some people are so kind to package and put in the universe. However it seems that an extra dependency needs to be defined: python-wxversion. What should I do? Report a bug on launchpad? [12:34] you're *the* stani? [12:34] yes [12:34] how cool, I love SPE [12:35] thanks [12:35] yeah, a bug on launchpad is the best way to go [12:36] I was just wondering because the maintainer is the Debian QA Group and I am wondering if the Debian MOTU (is it the same as ubuntu MOTU?) will keep track of launchpad or if they have their own bug tracking system. [12:37] Debian QA Group means the package is orphaned in Debian. [12:37] unlike Ubuntu, all packages in Debian must have a maintainer [12:37] stani: wow, I love the SPE too, thank you. Really, the Ubuntu package are ugly === rmjb wants to see this SPE to see what all the fuss is about [12:39] I understood that in the Ubuntu Open Week that Debian needs a maintainer, but as now the packaged is orphaned I am wondering who I should contact. [12:39] I am afraid if I use Launchpad nobody will take action. [12:39] rmjb: its nice python text editor/IDEish [12:40] stani: to maintain a package in Debian is a bit more work [12:40] stani: well, Launchpad will be ok for Ubuntu [12:40] however, that is the best place for you to do you work, because it will benefit Ubuntu and Debian [12:40] but Debian has it's own bug bug tracking system [12:40] stani: unfortunately there seems to be something wrong with your site, I get 502 error on http://pythonide.stani.be/ [12:41] What is the url of debian bug tracking? [12:41] http://bugs.debian.org [12:41] rmjb: its still in the repos afaik [12:41] rmjb: Yes my project was sponsored by zettai.net who gave free hosting, but they went out of business. [12:41] bummer [12:42] So I'll move to another sponsor soon. I got some great offers. [12:42] I have asked for an ubuntu server hosting, but I am afraid that is hard to find. [12:44] there are quite a few Debian servers out there [12:44] CypherBIOS: why you say the "Ubuntu packages are ugly"? === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:45] stani: you need free hosting for a FOSS project? [12:45] SPE does look very nice [12:45] stani: some errors on feisty [12:45] Yes, but I was curious for ubuntu servers. I don't know yet any company offering Ubuntu. [12:45] will use this instead of Geany for now [12:45] stani: relative on packaging [12:45] rmjb: thanks [12:45] what is geany? [12:45] stani: oh, the server has to be ubuntu, then? [12:45] another python IDE, the best one I saw [12:45] until now [12:45] rmjb: in repos? [12:46] yep [12:46] hmmmm [12:46] CypherBIOS: which errors [12:46] :) [12:46] ill try it also. i use a bunch of ides :) [12:46] Actually at the moment I am optimizing SPE for ubuntu. [12:47] stani: I'm not sure about what I'm saying, this is related for me by someone else... === StevenK quotes CypherBIOS out of context. [12:50] are the packages in -proposed repos supported or kind of like backports repos? [12:50] they are temporary [12:50] Ha I didn't know geany will look at it. It looks like a multilingual IDE, while SPE is completely focused on python and has a lot of special features (such as UML, pychecker, ...) [12:50] gnomefreak: The packages in -proposed are undergoing testing before being pushed to -updates [12:50] -proposed is where packages go to get tested before they go into -updates ,etc. [12:50] stani: If needed, latter, I'll give you more description about the problems that is happening with my friend [12:51] ty [12:51] stani: VPS hosting that offers ubuntu: http://www.vpslink.com/ [12:51] lotusleaf: no, it doesn't have to be, but as I switched to Ubuntu, I was just curious if Ubuntu is getting in the server market for hosting [12:51] CypherBIOS: ok, you can always send me a mail [12:52] stani: :) [12:52] stani: ah, ok. [12:53] I'll contact them to see if they would want to sponsor SPE by hosting. [12:59] wasnt gnome updated to 2.16 fpr edgy? [12:59] or just the other gnome things? [12:59] yeah, should be 2.16 [12:59] !info gnome [12:59] gnome: The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:2.14.2.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 12 kB, installed size 44 kB [12:59] are there any plans on updating thunar for xubuntu? its now a rc, and the irritating bug with the treeview going bananas is fixed, among other things... [01:00] that bothers me a bit :( [01:00] the thunar version currently in xubuntu is a very old beta, btw. [01:00] please, any motu for http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3553 ? it's already advocated, just need one more :) [01:02] afternoon [01:03] stani: afaik, there's no plans to do generic hosting stuff like sourceforge does - I've been bitten by zettai going out of business as well :) [01:03] ajmitch: you will look at it this afternoon? [01:03] whos managing thunar? === awbassett [n=awbasset@206.135.97.35] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:04] nolimitsoya: xubuntu people [01:04] nolimitsoya: are you talking of edgy or feisty? [01:04] Adri2000, and they are found where? :) [01:04] Adri2000, current, edgy [01:04] Adri2000: doubtful [01:05] nolimitsoya: there won't be new upstream release in edgy [01:05] ajmitch: ah :( [01:06] nolimitsoya: maybe in -backports, you can ask in #xubuntu [01:06] Adri2000, yes, thats the general idea. however, i understand exeptions are made if there is a good reason, and fixing a very irritating bug and moving from early beta to rc at the same time would be grounds for an expetion if you ask me... [01:06] Adri2000, no, nothing in backports. still the (now very dated) beta === redguy_ [n=mati@public-gprs3367.centertel.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hawkwind [n=SoS@ulteo/community-leader/Hawkwind] has joined #ubuntu-motu === torkel [n=torkel@69-188.umenet.t3.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:07] Adri2000: simply because I'm at work right now :) [01:07] nolimitsoya: ask in #xubuntu, I don't really know [01:07] nolimitsoya: maybe you can file a backport request for it? [01:08] Adri2000, there wouldnt be that many motus in #xubuntu, would there? :) [01:08] rmjb, how do i do that? [01:08] it most likely will never happen that a DE will be upgraded in a stable release [01:08] nolimitsoya: motu are not responsible for xfce [01:08] it's in main since dapper [01:09] ask in #ubuntu-backports :) [01:09] Adri2000, right... /me gets my head screwed on the right way again... [01:10] nolimitsoya: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BackportsHowto#head-47046f0b6751338ce86e851fd70ded0f5680b99f [01:10] rmjb, thank you :) [01:11] Another question: I'm using reportbug to file my bug, but it says it will be sent to ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com. I want to file this bug to the debian bug tracker. Can I use reportbug for that? [01:12] nolimitsoya: that's what I read in #ubuntu-classroom-chat from a xubuntu dev: DenisTheMenace: no, the decision for a backport will be made once the stable release of xfce4 happens [01:12] ajmitch: hi! [01:13] Adri2000, ok, thank you. :) saved me the trouble of a backport request... bloody shame though. :( [01:15] can some one take a look on my uploaded package: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3587 If you can leave some comment I'll be grateful [01:17] hey LaserJock! === ajmitch looks around for a bit of paper to get LaserJock's autograph [01:18] LaserJock: http://fluxbuntu.org/repoinstall.png [01:18] ajmitch: lol === StevenK tries to determine why python-qt3 is busted in Feisty and goes quietly insane. [01:25] ajmitch: autograph? [01:25] I got hacked today [01:26] but I'm starting to recover [01:26] I'm so glad I bought a 1GB usb stick for my birthday [01:27] well it seems i forgot something [01:27] drivers/built-in.o: In function `ide_wait_not_busy': [01:27] (.text+0x65a5d): undefined reference to `touch_nmi_watchdog' === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has left #ubuntu-motu ["trombone"] [01:30] ajmitch: will you be around tomorrow for my open week presentation? [01:31] LaserJock: at what time UTC? [01:31] ouch at getting hacked [01:32] 21:00 UTC [01:32] ajmitch: yeah, both my Ubuntu machines [01:32] somebody from Poland apparently wanted to use me as a port scanner [01:33] ok, I thought it was 20:00 UTC [01:33] looking at the wiki page [01:33] <_MMA_> LaserJock: How did you notice? What was odd? [01:33] which would be 9AM local time [01:33] ajmitch: I just wondering because there is a chance I can't make it [01:34] _MMA_: well, to start off with the uni banned my mac because "I" scanned 300,000 https ports last night [01:35] <_MMA_> Ouch.. [01:35] LaserJock: it's unlikely I could guarantee being there [01:35] <_MMA_> LaserJock: Both runnin Ubuntu? [01:36] since that's at the start of my working day [01:36] ajmitch: ok, well now that I have ok from the sysadmin to reinstall my computers I should be ok [01:36] _MMA_: yeah [01:36] I was just thinking I might not have a computer to do it from [01:36] but I'll get OS X at least on the one easily [01:36] hopefully you will [01:36] live cd! :) [01:37] hmm, although it might take a while to get it unbanned from the network [01:37] I'll make sure my other one is reinstalled tonight too [01:37] man, this sucks [01:37] note to self: make testing users have non-obvious names [01:38] testing user, easy password? === PriceChild [n=pricechi@unix0.york.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:38] pretty easy [01:38] unfortunate [01:38] it wasn't same as user name [01:38] but similar enough [01:38] oh dear [01:39] so probably some automated attack [01:39] yeah [01:39] username was something like, test, no? [01:39] I saw where the same IP has been trying to get in for a couple weeks [01:39] yeah, I used testing1, testing2, etc. [01:40] but normally my computers aren't accesible outside the department network [01:40] so I just didn't think much of it [01:40] stupid me [01:42] anyway, the person left their tracks [01:42] so I"m going to throw the logs and their scripts on a usb stick and reinstall [01:43] so I learned a good security lesson I guess [01:43] just stupid it had to happen [01:43] we all learn. [01:43] and it just irritates me that I can't use my computer in peace [01:44] I remember when my RH 5.2 machine got hacked and used as a base for some .gov attacks. [01:44] without literally getting attacked hundreds or thousands of times a day [01:44] heh [01:44] well, our department router got hacked into once [01:44] now that would be annoying [01:44] because a collaborator of one of our profs [01:44] who is in texas [01:45] had his computer hacked into [01:45] and they got his password to our server [01:45] then ran a password sniffer thingy [01:45] and got all our passwords [01:45] that one wasn't fun === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:56] so, is there a guide on setting up a subversion repo on ubuntu? I want to set up one to hold the debian directories of the packages I work on, so I can make and test changes more easily === fernando__ [n=fernando@200.96.251.210] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:57] rmjb, you should really consider using bzr instead === poningru [n=poningru@ip72-209-68-178.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:57] much simpler to use anyway [01:57] rmjb: look at the server guide [01:58] bzr just for the debian directory of packages I work on? will it be on launchpad or on my "server"? [01:58] it would be where ever you put it :) [01:58] bzr is great for packaging [01:58] you don't have .svn directories everywhere [01:58] LaserJock: did you see that screenshot? [01:58] palski: when you submit SRU proposals, would you follow a few guidelines, please? First, please see points #1 and #2 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates . Please include all relevant info in your description of bug 73780. Your changelog (in the debdiff) also needs to reference #73780. [01:58] Malone bug 73780 in kdbus "[SRU] kdbus (edgy)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/73780 [01:59] joejaxx: yes I did [01:59] joejaxx: very cool [01:59] yeah, I use svn at work, bzr at home [01:59] bzr is way simpler [01:59] simpler in a good way, that is [01:59] LaserJock: thanks :) i still have to add some little things like artwork etc but the package is installable :) [01:59] svn is still pretty nice if you want a central repo kind of thing [02:00] palski: Please amend #73780 to address the points in #1 and #2, and resubmit a new debdiff, thanks! [02:00] LaserJock, that is true; but for personal use only, there's not much of a need [02:00] hi all [02:00] fbond: exactly [02:00] it's nice to be able to use version control features without needing a network connection, too [02:00] bzr on a stick ;-) [02:01] indeed :) [02:02] can somebody to review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3450 ? [02:02] geeze, 53 bug subscribed to ubuntu-universe-sponsors [02:03] heh, the ubuntu server guide's page on version control systems doesn't mention bzr [02:04] crap, which 53?! [02:04] I've got one in those 53 :( [02:04] rmjb: because it's so easy they don't need to add it ;-) [02:04] LaserJock: good sale [02:05] well, it's not really a server thing [02:05] I suppose [02:06] crimsun: and motureviewers has 41 total :/ [02:06] which url are you using for u-u-s? [02:06] you all need more MOTUs *wink* *wink* ;) [02:07] crimsun: https://bugs.launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-universe-sponsors/+subscribedbugs [02:07] crimsun: don't worry, I'll try & look at some of those bugs tonight/tomorrow [02:07] what's the difference between ubuntu-universe-sponsors and motureviewers? [02:08] not a ton [02:08] LaserJock: 22, actually. [02:08] LaserJock: I've processed everything that's status Fix Committed or Confirmed [02:09] geeze [02:09] LaserJock: are you surprised? [02:09] crimsun is far beyond deity level [02:09] yep, I'm back to "mere mortal" by overflowing the counter [02:10] crimsun: how many are you doing a day, roughly? [02:10] depends how many geser submits ;) [02:10] hehe [02:11] LaserJock: this is why we don't need the motu council, or sru or uvf teams [02:11] we have crimsun [02:11] pssht [02:12] well, the idea was to give the poor guy a break [02:12] soon we won't need the tech board either [02:12] once he gets warmed up === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:12] is there some ubuntu only method that they use to patch the ubuntu kernels [02:12] ? [02:13] joejaxx: it depends on which Ubuntu kernel you're referring to [02:13] it's not the method, it's the patches [02:13] but no, none of them are Ubuntu-only "methods" [02:13] because i just tried patching the generic kernel [02:13] I'm really lost in ubuntu structure. I don't know where you need more help. I'm starting with packaging then. [02:13] fernando: great! [02:14] crimsun: and you know something is wrong when you do not get an error when you use eithe -p0 and -p1 [02:14] well, I wouldn't just select patch options at random :) [02:14] ubuntu kernel != vanilla kernel [02:14] what, does patch display a moocow or something? [02:15] patches to vanilla kernel don't always / rarely apply to ubuntu kernel [02:15] fbond: i am not selecting random patch options [02:15] i am just saying [02:15] it was a joke :) [02:15] oh === joejaxx has a hard time with irc sarcasm [02:15] especiall in #u-devel [02:15] understandable === fbond can't seem to avoid being saracastic, even on IRC [02:15] crimsun: it displays nothing [02:16] .oO( ``patch -moo'' would be interesting. ) [02:16] um; it displays nothing? [02:16] yeah [02:16] joejaxx: that's ... ok, what did you do with the ponies? [02:16] whoa [02:16] normally when you do something wrong with patch it complains [02:17] which is why i tested it with the wrong -p flag [02:17] yes; if it displays nothing, that makes me think your patch file does not actually patch anything? [02:17] yeah [02:17] which is why i am asking [02:17] check the return value and the patch [02:17] try to reverse it === ajmitch hands crimsun a pony === rmjb seems to see a lot of ponies in #ubuntu-motu === fbond just doesn't get the pony thing. [02:22] ponies!!!?! === LaserJock looks left === LaserJock looks right === LaserJock is disappointed and looks back at his hacked machines [02:22] <_MMA_> :) === fbond thinks LaserJock could've avoided disappointment by simply revealing some basic information about these "ponies" [02:24] fbond: http://www.hasbro.com/mylittlepony/ [02:24] ok, now ... bring it all together and make it relevant [02:25] LOL [02:25] ah screw it, I can just check the logs :) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:26] wait for it [02:26] hey Hobbsee [02:26] there it was [02:26] shhhhhhhhhhh Hobbsee is here === LaserJock runs [02:26] everybody hide! === poningru [n=poningru@ip72-209-68-178.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:27] ok. ponies are nice shiny things, and kids like ponies. Well you know how kids scream about wanting ponies? Now see http://fridge.ubuntu.com/files/no-pony-for-you.jpg === joejaxx makes a break for the door [02:27] rofl [02:27] (The context actually goes back further to jdub, et al., but we can omit it) [02:27] crimsun: poniez! [02:28] that made me lol === ajmitch gives Hobbsee a pony [02:28] that is so fun [02:28] funny* [02:28] wasn't there a ./ april fools pony item? [02:29] probably [02:29] yeah, /. went pony-pink [02:29] yeah, that was funny [02:29] my wife just thinks we are all a bunch of nerds === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:29] ok i'm absolutely fed up with this package, but i'm gonna try one more time, and hopefully you guys can help me with the error spew [02:29] LaserJock: correct [02:29] crimsun: do you have a few minutes to help me wth alsa? [02:29] Hobbsee_!! [02:29] its another Hobbsee! :O [02:30] oh no [02:30] now where do I hide [02:30] she has a twin [02:30] :O [02:30] an "evil" twin ?!?! === ajmitch finds a dark corner to hide in [02:30] just when I thought it couldn't get any worse [02:30] Hobbsee: have you a clone? === dous [n=dous@124.107.248.86] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:31] Admiral_Chicago: which Ubuntu release? [02:31] edgy, [02:32] oh [02:33] alsa wasn't recognizing my soundcard, but OSS was so I investigated. now i can load the sound card module, i just want to save the paramater [02:33] crimsun: sudo sh -c 'bzip2 -dc ../patches-20061124-prealpha.tar.bz2 | tar xf - | patch -p1 --dry-run' [02:33] does that look right to you? [02:33] yes right? [02:34] aha! [02:34] any kind of help is appreciated: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/0bjQIY68.html relevant error spew starts on line 448 [02:34] you are feeding patch empty input [02:35] joejaxx: nope [02:35] ok [02:35] LLAJ [02:35] == [02:35] fernando: there can only be one Hobbsee! [02:35] Lets All Laugh At JoeJAxx [02:35] you're missing -O [02:35] the Hobbsee! === Hobbsee finds LaserJock and drops a bottlefull of tomato sauce on him [02:35] hmm: grep -c 'pon\(ies\|y\)' '#ubuntu-motu.html' -> 98 [02:36] there's something unhealthy about that [02:36] crimsun: alright [02:36] hey ajmitch, joejaxx [02:36] crimsun: i knew i had forgotten something [02:36] the ajmitch! [02:36] Hobbsee: hello :D [02:36] heya :) === dous [n=dous@124.107.248.86] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:37] fbond: you haven't been around as long - I count 198 [02:38] and not one of you younger than 12 :) [02:38] Hobbsee: :( [02:38] (I assume) [02:38] crimsun: wait -O [02:38] you assume far too much [02:38] ? [02:38] fbond: in spirit maybe :-) [02:38] ajmitch, I feared that [02:38] LaserJock: mental age [02:39] yes [02:39] I know that bddebian fellow is like 10 [02:39] ;-) === ajmitch thinks aggregate mental age could be somewhere around 12 [02:39] archive.ubuntu.com, the repos, don't set no-cache options on their downloads right? I can set up a cache server to cache packages? [02:39] Hrmph [02:39] crimsun: nvm i think i got it working [02:39] fbond: it's a common inside jock for us, that's all :-) [02:39] hopefully [02:39] bddebian! === stani [n=stani@85.148.236.59] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Konversation] [02:39] bddebian: dude! I didn't know you were here [02:39] LaserJock, I follow ... [02:39] :-) [02:40] LaserJock: So I noticed ;-P === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:40] doh! [02:40] no :( [02:41] fbond: what did crimsun mean by -O [02:42] i do not remember using that last time i used patch [02:42] I believe he's talking about using that as an option to tar ... [02:42] hang on [02:42] yes, he is [02:43] ah [02:43] man tar: -O, --to-stdout [02:43] since tar will extract files to the current directory, not to stdout [02:43] ah ok [02:43] roight [02:44] joejaxx: tar's intelligent enough to notice bz2/gz, btw. [02:44] crimsun, you don't have to give it -j or -z ? [02:44] tar -Oxf foo.tar.bz2 | patch ... [02:44] neat [02:44] fbond: you did in older versions [02:45] the lazy will prevail :) === paran [n=paran@cl-56.sto-01.se.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:45] fbond: -j :D [02:46] i use that when using tar [02:46] for bz2 [02:47] me too [02:47] hmm [02:48] |--- linux.orig/hpc/migrecv.c 2006-11-02 22:51:58.000000000 +0100 [02:48] |+++ linux/hpc/migrecv.c 2006-11-02 22:52:00.000000000 +0100 [02:48] i think i created the wrong symlink [02:50] so about my stupid problem... http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/0bjQIY68.html relevant error spew starts on line 448 [02:50] kernel patching fun stuff [02:50] its looking for the upstream tarball right? [02:50] i should just patch the vanilla kernel [02:50] lol === joejaxx wget gets [02:51] ademan: what's in upstream/ [02:51] or is the problem that i'm calling pbuilder from the package folder? should i be calling it from the folder with the *.dsc in it? [02:51] LaserJock: no such folder [02:52] and i can't even tell where it should be, should it be package/upstream/ or upstream/ or should it be package/source-tree/upstream/ ? [02:52] package of course is my own shorthand for eclipse-cdt-3.1.1-0ubuntu1 or whatever [02:54] ademan: can you also pastebin debian/rules for us? [02:54] LaserJock: sure [02:55] http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/kylHzF68.html [02:55] i tried screwing with the tar command because tar ../"upstream/*.tar.gz" just didn't seem right to me, but alas to no avail [02:56] hmm, it's kind of a messy rules file to me [02:56] line 62 [02:56] i changed it back just fyi [02:56] yeah i dunno, i didn't make it, i don't even know what one looks like, till now of course [02:58] ok, so where is the tar.gz? [02:59] currently its in the dir above the package dir === somerville32 [n=ubuntu@fctnnbsc15w-156034073180.nb.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:59] what is the package dir? [02:59] Hey [02:59] Just wondering, but why isn't there some sort of meta-package to install all the dev/package tools? [03:00] exactly? its: eclipse-cdt-3.1.1-0ubuntu1 [03:00] It almost seems logical to have one (or a few specialized ones) [03:00] somerville32: well, that's hard to define really [03:00] ademan: so in eclipse-cdt-3.1.1-0ubuntu1/ there is a tar.gz? [03:03] hmm... how can I set global proxy settings for apt? [03:04]