[12:19] ok.. thanks.. === belito [n=user@201.230.49.33] has joined #launchpad === flacoste [n=francis@modemcable207.210-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #launchpad ["Bye"] === dsas [n=dean@host-84-9-170-12.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #launchpad [01:15] Hi, Am I dreaming or did LP use to have a calendar function? I can't seem to find it. [01:20] dsas: it used to, see https://launchpad.net/people/larstiq/+calendar [01:24] LarstiQ: Hm, ok... [01:24] thanks :) [01:25] As long as I'm not going crazy. :) [01:26] dsas: that I do not know, but you are right that there used to be a calendar :) === Dominus_Suu1 [n=borden@206-248-152-182.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #launchpad [01:29] hey, I think I'm an idiot and disabled my wiki.ubuntu account forever :( [01:31] could someone help me get my wiki account back, please? === belito` [n=user@201.230.49.33] has joined #launchpad === yankees26 [n=yankees2@ool-182c6007.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #launchpad === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.16.239.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #launchpad === yankees26 [n=yankees2@ool-182c6007.dyn.optonline.net] has left #launchpad ["Leaving"] === Dominus_Suu1 [n=borden@206-248-152-182.dsl.teksavvy.com] has left #launchpad [] [04:06] lifeless: re the 7000-line patch. you notice that there are several malone-release-management branch. the first one is 6000 lines, and i'm not responsible for it, it's brad's work. then follow 5 other branches which makes the total diff 7000 lines. [04:06] lifeless: so it's really a 1000 line diff spread out on 5 different branches, you can't be unhappy about that :) [04:07] lifeless: it might be a good idea to extend the pending-review page, though, so that these kind of things get easier to see. (basically allowing one to say that branch foo is based on branch bar, which hasn't been merged into rf yet) === towsonu2003 [n=towsonu2@c-69-251-20-244.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #launchpad === towsonu2003 [n=towsonu2@c-69-251-20-244.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has left #launchpad ["Leaving"] [04:44] BjornT: hmm, that's probably a good idea. It's increasingly common that branches in the review queue depend on other branches. [04:53] Is there a reason sync() is not public on our database classes? [05:03] jamesh: https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/file2r2gTl.html [05:06] stub: none that I can think of. [05:08] stub: looks good. [05:08] ok. landing. [05:09] stub: when I last looked at sync()/syncUpdate(), we were looking to see if it was easy to automatically expose them on all SQLObjects [05:09] tricky? [05:09] but our security framework doesn't make that particularly easy [05:09] I've only ever had an issue in tests so far, and flush_database_updates is just as good in that case. [05:10] I added canonical.launchpad.ftests.syncUpdate(), which can be used from tests [05:10] ok [05:10] it unwraps the security proxy and calls syncUpdate() [05:10] unless you are doing data modifying SQL, syncUpdate() is usually what you want rather than sync() === jml [n=jml@ppp110-150.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad [05:40] BjornT: can you please file a bug on launhcpad-development-infrastructure about the enhancement to do [05:41] sure === highvoltage [n=jonathan@196.1.61.16] has joined #launchpad [06:10] thanks === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-105-195.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #launchpad === Weebit [n=unknown@216.96.40.142] has joined #launchpad [07:51] New bug: #74011 in launchpad-development-infrastructure "Allow saying against which branch a diff should be produced from" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/74011 === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #launchpad === Fujitsu [n=william@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #launchpad === sigurdga_ [n=sigurdga@184.80-202-221.nextgentel.com] has joined #launchpad === malcc [n=malcolm@host86-135-237-55.range86-135.btcentralplus.com] has joined #launchpad === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #launchpad [08:40] New bug: #74017 in launchpad-development-infrastructure "launchpad-developer-dependencies package should require bzr-pqm" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/74017 === silwol [n=silwol@193.170.135.113] has joined #launchpad === SnkBite [n=SnkBite@212.25.63.30] has joined #launchpad === carlos [n=carlos@18.Red-88-16-32.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad [09:15] morning === _thumper_ [n=tim@166-179-18-187.jamamobile.co.nz] has joined #launchpad [09:30] New bug: #74019 in launchpad-development-infrastructure "Please provide launchpad-*-dependencies packages for dapper at lpdebs.canonical.com" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/74019 === ddaa [n=ddaa@nor75-18-82-241-238-155.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad === ddaa [n=ddaa@nor75-18-82-241-238-155.fbx.proxad.net] has left #launchpad [] [09:48] lifeless: ah, I was sleeping when Aleka came in === dda1 [n=ddaa@nor75-18-82-241-238-155.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad === sabdf1 [n=sabdfl@217.205.109.249] has joined #launchpad === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #launchpad === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #launchpad === danilos [n=danilo@cable-89-216-150-41.dynamic.sbb.co.yu] has joined #launchpad === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad === tim_ [n=tim@166-179-20-72.jamamobile.co.nz] has joined #launchpad === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.16.174.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad [10:50] New bug: #74025 in launchpad "Cache problems with doc tests" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/74025 === WebMaven [n=webmaven@ip72-193-220-34.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #launchpad === careyo [n=careyo@ppp39-19.lns2.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad [11:22] if someone registers a product on launchpad, are they able to request it be removed from launchpad (for whatever reason)? [11:36] careyo: it can be hidden [11:36] ie, deactivated [11:37] jordi: I see, and that is able to be done by who? I am guessing by the person who registered the product. [11:38] or does it have to be requested, and someone higher up does it? [11:39] requested [11:39] ok [11:39] just curious, thanks [11:39] (and argumented :) [11:39] fair enough :) === jinty [n=jinty@177.Red-83-54-74.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad === matsubara [n=matsubar@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [12:01] jordi: ping [12:01] pong === salgado [n=salgado@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad === niemeyer [n=niemeyer@200.138.132.233] has joined #launchpad [12:20] hey stub, might you have some time to review my db patch on pillar-gotchis today? [12:30] New bug: #74031 in launchpad-bazaar "supermirror pull frequency should be more transparent" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/74031 [12:33] salgado: You need UPDATE person SET emblem=NULL WHERE teamowner IS NULL AND emblem IS NOT NULL; [12:33] Because some people have emblems [12:34] salgado: (before adding the CHECK constraint of course) [12:34] salgado: With that, r=stub, patch-67-34-0.sql [12:35] stub, will do that change. thanks a lot! [12:36] shouldn't we be scaling them? [12:37] stub, you mean, generating the emblem from the gotchi? [12:37] yes [12:38] currently looks like users upload the large image, and it automatically gets stored as the smaller ones too despite the comments saying there are max pixel sizes. [12:38] kiko was concerned about that, because you usually will have to tweak an image (removing small details), to make it clear what it is in such a small size [12:39] but ianar (i am not a reviewer) [12:40] stub, that'd be a bug, IIUC. where you see that? === cprov [n=cprov@monga.dorianet.com.br] has joined #launchpad [12:40] class PersonHackergotchiView(GeneralFormView): def process [12:41] oh - ignore me [12:41] btw, that view is already gone. my pillar-gotchis-2 branch should be up for review soon [12:42] good morning, folks [12:46] New bug: #74032 in launchpad-bazaar "users should be able to request immediate mirroring" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/74032 [12:51] New bug: #74033 in launchpad-bazaar "configurable pull interval for mirror branches" [Low,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/74033 === careyo [n=careyo@59.167.35.198] has joined #launchpad [01:07] ddaa: hi [01:07] ddaa: I replied about your help text email. Thanks for writing that, and doing the help text except where you're blocked on it. === grazieno [n=grazieno@200.128.80.254] has joined #launchpad [01:23] good morning [01:24] do we have a special tag for ui-1.0 bugs? [01:28] there's a ui tag [01:28] but nothing related to 1.0 [01:28] note however that we will be able to target bugs to releases soon [01:28] yeah, I'm using the ui tag for now [01:29] I think using the ui tag is enough [01:29] because we should not do much more work on the old ui [01:46] BjornT, everything looks good on your malone-release-management-3 branch. r=salgado [01:49] wow [01:49] that's a momentous r=salgado [01:49] good job [01:49] hey carlos, danilos [01:49] hey kiko [01:49] kiko: hey [01:50] how's the weather? [01:50] it's rocky with a southern current here [01:50] 8 degrees celsius, pretty foggy ;) [01:50] but it should clear up towards the evening [01:50] I guess today will rain here.. ;-) [01:53] kiko: "clearing up" was re ff ;) [01:54] thanks salgado === carlos hates timestamp handling in launchpad/sqlobject [01:56] carlos, what's bothering you? [01:58] It's mostly fixed, but "CURRENT_TIMESTAMP AT TIME ZONE 'UTC'" is being cached by sqlobject when it should get a valid date [01:58] well [01:58] kiko: https://bugs.launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/74025 [01:58] isn't that the time of the transaction? [01:58] Malone bug 74025 in launchpad "Cache problems with doc tests" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [01:59] kiko: It happens after commit [01:59] even fetching the objects again === quicksilver [n=jules@212.69.38.59] has joined #launchpad [02:28] I may have confused launchpad in my attempts to register. Anyone help me unconfuse it? [02:28] quicksilver, sure. what happened? [02:28] I started the registration process as jules@jellybean.co.uk [02:29] but I didn't complete it because some one pointed out I was already tehre [02:29] https://launchpad.net/people/jules <--- this is me [02:29] So I clicked 'Hey, I'm Jules Bean' and told it to email info to jules@debian.org [02:29] which I guess would be the address it has for me [02:29] never got that email though :( [02:30] did it say that the email was sent to jules@debian.org? [02:30] yes === SteveA [n=steve@costello.z3u.com] has joined #launchpad [02:30] and how long ago was that? [02:30] and I did test myself sending a mail to jules@debian.org and the address does appear to work [02:30] 5 minutes ago, maybe? [02:32] I remember we had some delays when delivering emails, in some rare occasions. it may be the case here. :/ [02:32] ah ok [02:33] I'll go have lunch and see if that helps [02:33] having lunch often helps :) [02:33] heh. indeed. if it doesn't help launchpad it surely helps you. :) [02:33] in my case it helps a lot [02:33] quicksilver, I guess you've checked your spam filters, just to be sure? [02:34] salgado: I did better than that, I checked my exim logs [02:34] salgado: definitely nothing from launchpad. Well just the one message from the registration attempt I aborted [02:35] well, then it must be a delay issue. if it doesn't arrive after you finish having lunch I'll investigate with the sysadmins === danilo_ [n=danilo@cable-89-216-150-60.dynamic.sbb.co.yu] has joined #launchpad === mholthaus__ [n=mholthau@225.16.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #launchpad [02:43] ddaa: bah, looks like master.debian.org sat on the email for 32 minutes [02:43] salgado: that was for you, really :) [02:44] heh [02:44] that was a quick lunch, eh? [02:45] haven't eaten it yet, just bought it :) [02:46] ah, right. :) [02:47] but the email arrived, finally? === quicksilver nods [02:47] woo now I can edit that bzr bug [02:47] which is what this was all about [02:48] cool. [02:49] quicksilver, we also have an email interface for that. it might be handy in case you're used to debbugs [02:49] well, now you can also edit bugs on ubuntu, request free CD, translate applications in Outer-Qwghlmian, host bzr branches and more :) [02:49] Though the outstanding question is whether one would really want to translate application in Outer-Qwghlmian [02:49] my Outer-Qwghlmian is fairly rusty, alas === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #launchpad [03:22] salgado: review answered. Do you think would be possible to get an answer today? === flacoste [n=francis@modemcable207.210-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad [03:22] BjornT: I have another review answer for you (still working on it) would you have sometime later today to handle it? === mholthaus_ [n=mholthau@225.16.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #launchpad [03:28] SteveA: kiko: I'm getting tired of writing. So feedback sought on https://launchpad.canonical.com/Bazaar1h2007 [03:29] carlos, I'll try my best. what time are you leaving? [03:29] I will put in more details for the vcs-imports and dogfood sections later. [03:29] ddaa: mail launchpad list, and I'll look next week [03:32] salgado: when that's done [03:32] salgado: I will be at home, so I will be around [03:33] salgado: thanks [03:36] ddaa: it's good, but it's a bit confused, needs to be more "boom boom boom" IYKWIM [03:37] i.e. "These are the top priorities for Bazaar-Launchpad in 2007" [03:37] do you want me to climb in a bit? [03:38] at the moment it talks a lot about how success should feel, but not about what is planned to be delivered [03:38] sabdfl, ddaa: why are we prioritizing using text? I thought we'd do that using 1.1 and 1.2 goals. or is this to prepare 1.1 and 1.2? [03:41] carlos: i'm not sure i'll have time to look at it today, we'll see. if not, i'll look at it on monday for sure. [03:44] kiko: its nice to have a descriptive rationale for the roadmap alongside the actual listings [03:44] sabdfl, my concern is that it's very easy for that rationale to go very out of date as soon as we start changing the listings mid-process. === quicksilver [n=jules@212.69.38.59] has left #launchpad ["thanks] [03:44] kiko: agreed, but it's a short term (1-2Q) roadmap [03:44] right, cool [03:45] sabdfl: I'd like ddaa to actually do the writing on this [03:45] so, I'd prefer you to give him specific feedback (or relay that via our conf call that is soon) [03:46] sabdfl: you've been watching too many Steve Jobs keynotes :) [03:46] Note that I just renamed the page to https://launchpad.canonical.com/Bazaar2007h1#preview [03:46] what's h1? [03:46] 1st half of the year [03:46] 1st half === kiko shrugs [03:47] standard abbrs: q1, h1, w1 [03:47] quarter, half, week [03:47] ddaa: never watched one. must be something we have in common, along with being royal pains in the neck to work for ;-) === radix [n=radix@70.91.133.157] has joined #launchpad [03:47] sabdfl: I hope someone buys you a dark turtle-neck for xmas [03:48] sabdfl: at allhands some watched a video that collated "boom"s said by Steve Jobs during keynotes, quite funny [03:48] but not quite as funny as the video that collates all the "fuck" in the Big Lebowsky :) [03:48] i'd be glad to do my own personal boom-fuck anthology [03:49] sabdfl: please feel free to edit the document. This is just an early brain dump. [03:49] Not that the "use cases" section is definitely tongue-in-cheek :) [03:50] I do plan to dig into more detail, if only to get more confidence that these are reasonable goals for the intended time fram. [03:52] BjornT: ok, thanks [03:53] kiko, carlos, danilos: what was the outcome of your meeting yesterday about the +translate page? [03:53] matsubara, I'm going to do the query rewrites since the other alternatives will take longer to do. [03:54] kiko: ok, thanks [04:10] ddaa: there's a question about hiding / deleting branches on launchpad-users [04:11] fyi [04:11] ah... just when I thought I was running out of "soft" things to do and could handle some reviews... === daq4th [n=darkness@netstation-005.cafe.zSeries.org] has joined #launchpad [04:13] ddaa: i've made a start, need to do some other work, will return to this later === BjornT [n=bjorn@clt-84-32-240-183.dtiltas.lt] has joined #launchpad [04:42] carlos, ping [04:42] SteveA, kiko, ddaa: OK, i'm happy with that https://launchpad.canonical.com/Bazaar2007h1 page now :-) [04:43] i'm sure it could do with more work but the roadmap is a clearer reflection of the things we have already talked about [04:43] it would be good to map these items to specs / bugs [04:43] also, to get poolie's input [04:44] carlos: ping [04:45] okay, let me dash for some lunch, sabdfl, SteveA: back in 15 [04:45] see you on the call kiko === now3d [n=now3d@88-106-233-12.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #launchpad [04:46] Hello, could some direct me to documenation so I can assign this bug to language-support-en please? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/28226 [04:46] Malone bug 28226 in Ubuntu "en install ends up with en_US packages being installed" [Medium,Rejected] [04:49] now3d: click the 'Ubuntu' link below the Affects: and choose a package name [04:49] salgado: pong [04:50] now3d: that's bug 1095, btw [04:50] Malone bug 1095 in malone "Unnecessarily difficult to find how to change status or reassign a bug" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/1095 [04:52] carlos, when you have a branch that you want to land ASAP, you should try really hard to keep it very concise. you added quite some code to your bug-68014 branch since my first review. and more code means more chances of having things that would block the landing, as well as lot more effort from your reviewer [04:52] the thing is that I missed a kind of notification... [04:52] matsubara: Ok, thanks [04:53] it would have been okay if that code was necessary to fix that bug, but it is not, as you pointed [04:53] sorry, phone... [04:56] sabdfl: can we have a pre-call call? [04:56] stub you beauty [04:59] SteveA: sure [04:59] salgado: well, most of it was needed to send the notification email [05:00] salgado: the only thing I did was add two extra notification emails === SteveA dials in [05:01] salgado: if that's a problem, I'm happy to split out those concrete changes. Is quite easy to split them out into another branch, I could even commit them as trivial later (most changes were related with tests because the amount of lines is quite big to check that) [05:02] sabdfl: I'm in the conf call now [05:02] me too [05:05] so am I === dmbasso [n=dmbasso@201.89.149.247] has joined #launchpad [05:09] hello [05:16] carlos, well, since now I'm halfway through the second review it'd be worst to split it, I think. the problem is that it may not be possible for you to land this branch today, since I may not have time for a third round of review [05:16] ok [05:17] salgado: anyway, I guess the problem was that I forgot the email testing (and missed some features on it) more than fixing the other bug. Thanks for your effort anyway [05:18] np [05:18] I need help from an admin... (I need to remove a product from a project) [05:19] any admin available? [05:19] dmbasso, please file a new ticket on launchpad === danilo_ [n=danilo@adsl-233-130.eunet.yu] has joined #launchpad [05:20] ok, thanks === jinty [n=jinty@90.Red-83-58-120.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad [05:32] done, the bug was already registered... Bug #38349: Can't delete a product you created [05:32] Malone bug 38349 in launchpad "Can't delete a product you created" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/38349 === somerville32 [n=somervil@fctnnbsc15w-156034093050.nb.aliant.net] has joined #launchpad [05:33] dmbasso, a ticket, not a bug, sorry -- launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+tickets [05:34] ahhh, right... sorry, I'm not used to this protocol ;) === BjornT [n=bjorn@clt-84-32-240-183.dtiltas.lt] has joined #launchpad === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #launchpad === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.16.174.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad [06:15] carlos, so how's it going? [06:15] heya stub [06:16] kiko: hi, still working on reviews [06:16] kiko: although BjornT already told me that he will not be able to answer my review answer until Monday === flacoste [n=francis@modemcable207.210-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad [06:17] is that bad news? :-) [06:17] flacoste: [06:17] flacoste: If you ever come back, you can do "bzr remerge --merge-type=weave file/foo" [06:17] kiko: not really ;-) I have a plan B, but you are too anxious [06:17] thanks kiko [06:18] kiko: thx! [06:18] carlos, I am not anxious, but I move close to the speed of light [06:18] Can someone help me setup bzr for a product? [06:18] kiko: should I share it with you now? or will you wait until I finish my work today? [06:19] carlos, I don't think asking me to wait is a good strategy, as we discussed on the phone yesterday -- constant and continuous conversation is key [06:20] kiko: ok, as I will not get BjornT's answer today, I will give you a present for Monday (or this weekend if you want to do it then), the readonly form. This will reach your goal of having that merged on Monday without causing conflicts [06:21] I see. are you sandbagging BjornT as well now! [06:21] I was thinking on doing that even if I get the review, because it's quite easy to do it, but as I said... you are to anxious ;-) [06:21] kiko: why? [06:21] heh [06:21] well, more for him to review, no? [06:21] kiko: I will branch TranslationReview and send a diff against that branch [06:22] ah, very good plan [06:22] good job [06:22] kiko: I was thinking on you to review it! [06:22] I may be a perfect candidate [06:23] so we have a deal === jkakar [n=jkakar@204.174.36.228] has joined #launchpad [06:24] kiko: btw, do you know how to modify: https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/filexpl4Wq.html [06:24] kiko: so the label 'New suggestion' is linked with the checkbox? [06:25] carlos, yes. [06:25] I was thinking on using onClick event because I don't see the way to do it without breaking the layout [06:25] use id="..." [06:25] mmm? [06:25] oh [06:25] ok [06:25] just use id and for [06:25] however [06:25] remember: IDs need to be unique for the page [06:25] the name is already unique in that page === Weebit [n=unknown@216.96.40.142] has joined #launchpad [06:25] so I can use it as id too [06:25] kiko: ok, thanks [06:26] yep. good job! [06:26] I thought the text and the checkbox should be linked using the