[12:06] <lifeless> 2) yes.
[12:08] <lifeless> 3) I've triaged far to many in the past for products, but not done specific triaging within ubuntu... hmm
[12:08] <lifeless> hangon, apport and hwddb I did some cleanup on
[12:09] <Kaleo> sfllaw: I would like to apply for ubuntu-qa.
[12:09] <sfllaw> Kaleo: OK.  You just have to answer three questions:
[12:10] <sfllaw> 1. Do you promise to be polite to bug reporters, even if you don't think they deserve it?
[12:10] <sfllaw> 2. Have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance?
[12:10] <sfllaw> 3. Can you show me some bugs you've triaged?
[12:10] <Kaleo> 1. yes
[12:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73989 in gftp (main) "gftp randomly crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73989
[12:10] <Kaleo> 2. I am doing this now
[12:11] <Kaleo> 3. Let me see
[12:11] <lifeless> https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/hwdb-client/+bug/30910
[12:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30910 in hwdb-client "Hardware Database not browseable" [Medium,Unconfirmed] 
[12:11] <lifeless> sortof-triaged
[12:12] <Kaleo> 2. done
[12:12] <lifeless> https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/hwdb-client/+bug/17595
[12:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 17595 in hwdb-client "failure to parse xorg output leads to a hung gui." [Medium,Needs info] 
[12:12] <lifeless>  found duplicates for this and isolated the failure
[12:14] <sfllaw> lifeless: All right.  You're in.
[12:14] <sfllaw> Let me hit the right button.
[12:14] <lifeless> thank you
[12:16] <Kaleo> I do not know
[12:16] <Kaleo> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/3647
[12:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 3647 in totem ""On Top" menu bug" [Unknown,Confirmed] 
[12:18] <Adri2000> sfllaw: I would like to be part of ubuntu-qa too :)
[12:18] <sfllaw> Adri2000: Hurray!  3 questions.
[12:18] <sfllaw> Ready?
[12:18] <sfllaw> 1. Do you promise to be polite to bug reporters, even if you don't think they deserve it?
[12:18] <sfllaw> 2. Have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance?
[12:18] <sfllaw> 3. Can you show me some bugs you've triaged?
[12:18] <Kaleo> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/33387
[12:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 33387 in linux-source-2.6.15 "Creative webcam plus driver does not work." [Medium,Confirmed] 
[12:18] <Adri2000> 1. Of course :)
[12:18] <Adri2000> 2. Yes
[12:19] <Kaleo> sfllaw: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/33387
[12:19] <Adri2000> 3. today in the package lopster: bug 32449 64340 73938 (and https://bugs.launchpad.net/people/adri2000/+karma)
[12:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 32449 in lopster "1.2.0 is an obsolete version" [Wishlist,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/32449
[12:19] <lifeless> sfllaw: is there a canned 'untriaged bugs' search ?
[12:20] <sfllaw> lifeless: Ugh.  No.  We've asked LP.
[12:20] <sfllaw> You can find one in the UbuntuHugDay page, I think.
[12:20] <lifeless> sfllaw: yes, but can we do one with advanced ?
[12:20] <sfllaw> Yes.
[12:20] <sfllaw> There's a URL on the wiki page about it.
[12:20] <sfllaw> I've bookmarked it myself.
[12:20] <lifeless> this should be on HowToTriage
[12:20] <Adri2000> sfllaw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/lopster/+bugs and "All bugs ever reported"
[12:21] <sfllaw> lifeless: True.
[12:21] <sfllaw> Kaleo: When you set bugs to Needs Info, can you assign them to yourself?
[12:22] <sfllaw> And when you set them to Confirmed, assign them to Nobody?
[12:22] <Adri2000> sfllaw: I heard of that, it's a new rule?
[12:23] <sfllaw> Yeah.
[12:23] <Adri2000> ok
[12:23] <Kaleo> sfllaw: ok
[12:23] <Kaleo> it makes sense
[12:23] <Adri2000> sfllaw: tell me if I can join the team on launchpad
[12:24] <sfllaw> Kaleo: All right, I will approve you.
[12:24] <sfllaw> Adri2000: Looking through LP now.
[12:24] <Kaleo> sfllaw: thank you, you are kind.
[12:24] <lifeless> sfllaw: on the page now
[12:25] <sfllaw> lifeless: Hmm, I noticed that.
[12:25] <sfllaw> lifeless: Please tell me when you're done.
[12:25] <lifeless> sfllaw: I mean 'I'm done, its on the page now'
[12:25] <sfllaw> lifeless: I just realized that HowToTriage doesn't reflect the Assignee policy.
[12:25] <sfllaw> Ah.
[12:26] <lifeless> sfllaw: ok, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/bzr/+bug/50290 is already fixed in edgy
[12:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50290 in bzr "Creating a branch in a repository chews up huge amounts of memory" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[12:26] <lifeless> sfllaw: dapper is also fixed I think, via dapper updates
[12:26] <lifeless> sfllaw: how would you choose to reflect this? fix released, with a comment ?
[12:27] <coNP> I am a newbie, so can I confirm a bug report if I think it has been confirmed?
[12:28] <coNP> in fact it seems to be confirmed by many users, only that the status is still unconfirmed
[12:28] <lifeless> coNP: when asking for advice, please quote the bug #. I.e. bug 1234
[12:28] <Ubugtu> Bug 1234 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/1234 is private
[12:28] <lifeless> coNP: that will let folk that want to advise look at the relevant data :)
[12:28] <coNP> is it that nobody wanted to change the status for some reason, or that no one "dared" to set it unconfirmed
[12:28] <Admiral_Chicago> coNP: tunfortunetly it us up to the Bug QA team to do that
[12:29] <Admiral_Chicago> least it in a duplicate or something like that
[12:29] <lifeless> coNP: we dont know. Whats the bug #?
[12:29] <coNP> https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/openbox/+bug/60210
[12:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60210 in openbox "Missing libobrender.so.1/libobparser.so.1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[12:29] <coNP> okay, than I misunderstood sfllaw in the afternoon
[12:30] <lifeless> Admiral_Chicago: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage says anyone can confirm
[12:30] <lifeless> coNP: I dont think you misunderstood
[12:30] <coNP> okay, then I was right :)
[12:30] <Admiral_Chicago> lifeless: let me look i don't remember seeing that but i'll check
[12:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73990 in xorg-server (main) "Xnest recommends using a universe package" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73990
[12:31] <sfllaw> Well, it says "you can Confirm"
[12:31] <sfllaw> Which is a pretty inclusive you.
[12:31] <sfllaw> I figure if you can read this page, that's you.
[12:31] <coNP> so what do you think, is there a special reason not to confirm it?
[12:32] <coNP> because I was surprised to see as many comments at a bug that is not confirmed
[12:32] <sfllaw> coNP: Hmm.  Do you know what openbox is?
[12:32] <coNP> sfllaw: of course, I use it daily
[12:32] <Admiral_Chicago> coNP: check where it shows the package name, click it, there should be a drop down menu
[12:32] <coNP> it is an X window manager
[12:33] <sfllaw> coNP: Does it break without these libraries?
[12:33] <coNP> Admiral_Chicago: I know how to do it :)
[12:33] <coNP> sfllaw: yes, all comments are true and useful
[12:33] <Admiral_Chicago> coNP: and you can't?
[12:33] <coNP> Admiral_Chicago: I can, but I was wandering if I _should_
[12:34] <sfllaw> coNP: I'm a little shocked that a non lib* package has shared libraries in it.
[12:34] <sfllaw> coNP: But it seems to be a valid bug.
[12:34] <Admiral_Chicago> sfllaw: you think it's a good idea?
[12:34] <coNP> actually openbox does not need these libraries
[12:34] <coNP> only obconf that is a configuration tool for it
[12:34] <coNP> and a separate package
[12:35] <sfllaw> coNP: I'd say change the bug report's description.
[12:35] <sfllaw> Say that libobrender.so.1 and libobparser.so.1 aren't shipped any more in a package.
[12:35] <sfllaw> And that a separate libopenbox package should be created for these shared libraries.
[12:35] <sfllaw> Then obconf can depend on libopenbox.
[12:36] <sfllaw> http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html
[12:36] <lifeless> sfllaw: I think you are wrong :)
[12:36] <sfllaw> lifeless: Really?
[12:36] <lifeless> yes
[12:36] <sfllaw> lifeless: Fair enough.
[12:36] <lifeless> /usr/lib/ called libobrender.so.0.4.0 and libobparser.so.0.4.0 whick acc. to dpkg -S are installed by openbox package.
[12:36] <lifeless> from near the top
[12:37] <sfllaw> Oh.
[12:37] <sfllaw> It's just symlinks.
[12:37] <lifeless> I'm thinking a rebuild is needed
[12:37] <sfllaw> Boy do I feel dumb.
[12:37] <sfllaw> Yeah, it's likely a packaging bug.
[12:37] <lifeless> coNP: definately confirm this
[12:37] <lifeless> coNP: as you note - there are people confirming it
[12:37] <sfllaw> And it is a complete bug report.
[12:37] <sfllaw> Albeit difficult to read.
[12:37] <coNP> yes, therefore was I _shocked_ why it has not been confirmed yet
[12:38] <sfllaw> coNP: That's why we're glad you're here!
[12:38] <sfllaw> :)
[12:38] <lifeless> coNP: I would try to update the description to be more clear - the packaging appears to be faulty, and it needs a packager to look at it.
[12:38] <lifeless> coNP: this means it is not an upstream bug, its a bug in ubuntu specifically
[12:39] <lifeless> sfllaw: so my question was, bug 50290 is fixed upstream, and the fixed package is in edgy for sure
[12:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50290 in bzr "Creating a branch in a repository chews up huge amounts of memory" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/50290
[12:39] <lifeless> sfllaw: whats the protocol to close bugs ?
[12:40] <sfllaw> If it's in Edgy, it's Fix Released.
[12:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73435 in xchat (universe) "unexpected quit" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73435
[12:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73991 in Ubuntu "Belkin USB 4 Port Hub F5U021 : Failure to mount Lexar Thumbdrive (and perhaps any other usb device?)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73991
[12:41] <sfllaw> The protocol to close bugs for non-triagers is poorly defined.
[12:46] <Adri2000> sfllaw: looked at my triaged bugs?
[12:47] <lifeless> sfllaw: ok, so fix released, dont touch milestone, just a comment ?
[12:51] <sfllaw> lifeless: Yes.  There's no need to touch any of the other stuff.
[12:51] <lifeless> thanks
[12:51] <sfllaw> Adri2000: You're good.
[12:51] <lifeless> sfllaw: bug 50339
[12:51] <Ubugtu> Bug 50339 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/50339 is private
[12:51] <lifeless> sfllaw: can you see that? its got no subscribers other than the reporter.
[12:51] <sfllaw> lifeless: You're going to have to subscribe me to that one.
[12:52] <Adri2000> sfllaw: ok, I have just joined the team
[12:52] <lifeless> sfllaw: hmm. I'll take this to #launchpad. I think its a glitch
[12:52] <sfllaw> lifeless: The UI could have let someone do that.
[12:52] <lifeless> but its a black hole.
[12:52] <lifeless> so we need to prevent this
[12:54] <Adri2000> sfllaw: thanks! :)
[01:01] <sfllaw> OK.  Dinner time.
[01:02] <lifeless> sfllaw: you should get people to promise to triage 1 bug a day :)
[01:02] <lifeless> 4) Will you triage 1 bug a day ?
[01:03] <sfllaw> lifeless: People would unconsciously lie.
[01:03] <lifeless> true enough
[01:04] <lifeless> then perhaps we can encourage 'a bug a day'
[01:04] <crimsun> does that then mean that if people consistently don't triage one per day then they get evicted?
[01:04] <sfllaw> ajmitch: Off with your head!
[01:04] <sfllaw> :)
[01:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73993 in Ubuntu "Galaxy Screen Saver Reboot System Automatically" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73993
[01:48] <a7p> what do you think about this one: #1725 it's over a year old and nothing was ever done about it (and I think there never will be ... proper network-anonymity should be handled another way).
[01:51] <a7p> generally what about all the things maked as "Whishlist" for over a year?
[01:51] <a7p> with no reply ever ...
[01:53] <coNP> if there is a bug reported more than once, which should become the duplicate?
[01:54] <coNP> the one that has been reported first should be left?
[01:56] <tarheelcoxn> or the more complete one, the one with better notes
[01:56] <coNP> yes that is the question... :)
[01:56] <coNP> so you say, tarheelcoxn, it is up to me?
[01:57] <a7p> coNP, it is.
[01:57] <tarheelcoxn> the better one. mark the one that's not as complete as a duplicate of the better one
[01:57] <coNP> okay, thanks both a7p & tarheelcoxn
[02:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73994 in drgeo (universe) "Crash report" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73994
[02:08] <a7p> mmm ... why can't I find the package sane-backends-extras via apt-cache search ? It seems to exist in the bugtracker, but I also can not find it via packages.ubuntu.com ... what does that mean?
[02:11] <a7p> ah, it is a source-package which generates libsane-extras ...
[02:11] <a7p> quit confusing
[02:32] <coNP> I did a mistake
[02:32] <coNP> I added a wrong distribution link to bug #59305
[02:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59305 in tilda "problem with specifying size as a percentage" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59305
[02:32] <coNP> how could I remove it?
[02:33] <crimsun> coNP: you can't. You can reject it, and add the correct distribution, however.
[02:34] <coNP> crimsun: thanks
[02:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73995 in meta-gnome2 (universe) "Banshee Web resource help links fail to load if browser not open" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73995
[03:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73996 in gaim (main) "crash report" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73996
[03:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73997 in firefox (main) "Windows Live Mail" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73997
[03:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73998 in Ubuntu "Open Office word crashes when copying and pasting text into gaim chat." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73998
[03:13] <yamal> no less than 18 dupes and still people keep reporting it anew
[03:15] <Admiral_Chicago> yamal: the OO crash?
[03:19] <yamal> yup
[03:20] <Admiral_Chicago> i'll keep it in mind if i see it
[03:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73999 in gksu (main) "Crashes. Spawned by update-manager. Possible interaction issue with synergy." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73999
[03:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74000 in control-center (main) "crashes when I change gnome theme" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74000
[04:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74002 in file-roller (main) "[Feisty]  File Roller's "Extract" button no longer functions" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74002
[04:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74003 in Ubuntu "Kernel Panic --Edgy-- unable to mount root fs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74003
[04:45] <towsonu2003> I truly hate searching for bugs in launchpad... can never find what I'm looking for, even if it's among the ones I'm subscribed too...
[05:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74004 in initramfs-tools (main) "Doesn't include qla2xxx firmware" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74004
[05:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74005 in viewcvs (universe) "viewcvs should require python-subversion" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74005
[05:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74006 in xserver-kdrive (universe) "Cap lock key stuck in cap lock" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74006
[06:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74007 in gnome-media (main) "volume control not working" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74007
[06:50] <yamal> what to do with a bug without subscribers? even the initial reporter isn't subscribed (anymore?)
[06:50] <crimsun> which?
[06:53] <yamal> crimsun: Bug #62042
[06:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62042 in openoffice.org "OPenoffice malfunctioning with SCIM" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62042
[06:55] <crimsun> yamal: technically at least three groups are notified still
[06:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74008 in compiz (universe) "Taking screenshots of the invidual window fails to capture window decorators" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74008
[06:55] <yamal> yeah that's true
[06:58] <yamal> though even very basic info requested just after it was filed is still missing never to be added :/
[06:58] <towsonu2003> how do you debug program hangs?
[06:59] <towsonu2003> I mean if this was a crash, you'd use gdb
[06:59] <towsonu2003> what do you use for hangs?
[07:01] <towsonu2003> anyone?
[07:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74009 in Ubuntu "Kernel panic after "Initializing /dev" during startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74009
[07:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68937 in openoffice.org (main) "openoffice opens files read-only fromn nfs mounted partition" [Undecided,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68937
[07:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74010 in xmms (main) "xmms still has debian logo" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74010
[07:47] <towsonu2003> you cant make fun of bug 74010 while I'm here can you :Pp
[07:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74010 in xmms "xmms still has debian logo" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74010
[07:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74012 in compiz (universe) "Compiz crashes with two X-screens" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74012
[07:56] <dholbach> good morning
[08:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74013 in initramfs-tools (main) "Wrong grep switch in all_generic_ide" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74013
[08:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74014 in initramfs-tools (main) "scripts/init-top/all_generic_ide uses wrong call to grep" [High,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74014
[08:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74016 in im-switch (main) "[Sync request]  Sync im-switch-1.13 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74016
[08:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74018 in initramfs-tools (main) "2.6.19 panics on boot in vmware" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74018
[08:43] <Cieffe> can i reject this bug 61683?
[08:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61683 in rhythmbox "Error loading files : not an audio stream" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61683
[08:44] <Cieffe> the report is old and it seems to be caused by the absence of gstreamer-ugly
[09:04] <dfarning> I am triaging a bug #68538 that was files against firefox, Got some info back from reported that leads me to believe that it is a blackdown bug
[09:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68538 in firefox "When visiting www.map24.com Firefox starts hanging permanently after a few seconds." [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68538
[09:04] <dfarning> how do I move it?
[09:05] <dholbach> click on the 'firefox' in the yellow bar in the middle
[09:05] <dholbach> and replace firefox with blackdown
[09:06] <dfarning> man, I was looking for something more complicated;)
[09:06] <dfarning> thanks
[09:06] <dholbach> I'm sure you can do it in a more complicated way :-)
[09:06] <dholbach> anytime :)
[09:14] <dholbach> hmmmmm, nothing like bug triage in the morning
[09:14] <cypher1> dholbach: hi
[09:14] <cypher1> dholbach: how are you
[09:14] <dholbach> hey cypher1
[09:14] <dholbach> good good - how are you?
[09:14] <cypher1> dholbach: fine too thanks
[09:15] <cypher1> dholbach: december started :)
[09:15] <dholbach> yeah
[09:15] <Cieffe> can i reject this bug 61683?
[09:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61683 in rhythmbox "Error loading files : not an audio stream" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61683
[09:15] <Cieffe>  the report is old and it seems to be caused by the absence of gstreamer-ugly
[09:15] <dholbach> I looked forward to the 1st of december for two weeks now :-)
[09:15] <cypher1> dholbach: :-)
[09:15] <dholbach> Cieffe: good catch - close it
[09:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74007 in gnome-media "volume control not working" [Medium,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74007
[09:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65822 in gnome-media "gnome-volume-control crashed" [Unknown,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65822
[09:16] <dholbach> cypher1: I'm going to play in a club nearby tonight - that's what I've been looking forward to :-)
[09:17] <cypher1> play means ?
[09:18] <dholbach> play records
[09:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74020 in xorg (main) "computer freezes when starting glxgears" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74020
[09:21] <Cieffe> today i close or commented some bug report in rythmbox
[09:21] <dholbach> Cieffe: I noticed - good work on those!
[09:21] <Cieffe> There are still 3 report with status unconfirmed/undecided that i don't know how to handle
[09:21] <Cieffe> dholbach: can you help me on this?
[09:22] <Cieffe> dholbach: thanks! :)
[09:22] <dholbach> Cieffe: which ones are those?
[09:22] <dholbach> I'll try
[09:22] <Cieffe> bug 66924
[09:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66924 in rhythmbox "behaves poorly when a previous instance has frozen" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66924
[09:23] <Cieffe> maybe i should only ask if the problem is still present?
[09:23] <dholbach> Yeah, ask if he could try with Edgy or Feisty and you could probably forward it as a suggestion upstream
[09:24] <dholbach> and probably ask for a  rhythmbox -d  log
[09:24] <dholbach> also a backtrace might be useful to find out why the existing instance is hanging
[09:24] <dholbach> (if so)
[09:24] <dholbach> gdb -p $(pidof rhythmbox)
[09:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74021 in xorg (main) "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg's monitor test freezes computer" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74021
[09:25] <Cieffe> ok i'm going to ask if the problme is still present, if so i ask for other info
[09:26] <Cieffe> other bug 66810
[09:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66810 in rhythmbox "Likes to crash shortly after startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66810
[09:30] <dholbach> Cieffe: the backtrace indicates that there's something wrong with gnome-vfs
[09:31] <dholbach> it's not clear what rhythmbox was trying to do, so a  -d log  might help also
[09:32] <dholbach> I'm just doing some searches on the upstream bugzilla
[09:33] <dholbach> often it's enough to search for a function name in one of the comments in the upstream tracker
[09:34] <dholbach> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=gnome_vfs_uri_unref&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailqa_cont
[09:34] <dholbach> act2=1&emailcc2=1&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time&field0-0-0=noop&type0-0-0=noop&value0-0-0=
[09:34] <dholbach> oops
[09:34] <dholbach> http://tinyurl.com/yhg3u5
[09:35] <dholbach> http://tinyurl.com/yfnp53
[09:35] <dholbach> those two might help
[09:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74022 in dovecot (main) "vpopmail support not compiled into dovecot" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74022
[09:35] <dholbach> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=366346 looks like a good candidate
[09:35] <Ubugtu> Gnome bug 366346 in general "crash in Rhythmbox Music Player: loading music into the p..." [Critical,Needinfo] 
[09:36] <dholbach> it has some duplicates already and it was asked for a debug backtrace
[09:36] <dholbach> the one in bug 66810 looks quite good
[09:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66810 in rhythmbox "Likes to crash shortly after startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66810
[09:36] <dholbach> so it'd be good to follow up on the upstream bug with more information and link the two bugs
[09:36] <dholbach> (mention the malone url upstream and add a bugwatch for the upstream bug in malone)
[09:39] <dholbach> Cieffe: does that help?
[09:39] <dholbach> hey pradeep
[09:39] <pradeep> hello dholbach :)
[09:39] <Cieffe> dholbach: should i ask for rhythmbox -d anyway? only last X line or all the log? ( X=?) :)
[09:40] <dholbach> rhythmbox -d 2>log.txt
[09:40] <dholbach> if it crashes at startup it shouldn't be that long
[09:40] <Cieffe> dholbach: yes, i understand, i'm going to do and then you will check :)
[09:40] <Cieffe> thanls
[09:40] <Cieffe> *thanks
[09:40] <dholbach> de rien
[09:40] <dholbach> thanks for working on them
[09:41] <pradeep> dholbach, quick question: What is the -dbg package for eog(Eye of Gnome)?
[09:41] <Admiral_Chicago> dholbach: you speak french?
[09:41] <dholbach> pradeep: in which version of ubuntu?
[09:41] <dholbach> Admiral_Chicago: seulement un peu :-)
[09:41] <Admiral_Chicago> moi aussie
[09:42] <dholbach> but seb128 always makes fun of me
[09:42] <Admiral_Chicago> so you speak three languages then?
[09:42] <pradeep> dholbach, edgy and feisty. I noticed a bug and i want to generate a trace.
[09:42] <dholbach> he said something along the lines of "did you translate that with babelfish? it makes no sense"
[09:42] <Admiral_Chicago> ah i tried to help out on the kubuntu forums in french
[09:42] <Admiral_Chicago> i remember that
[09:43] <dholbach> pradeep: enable pitti's repository (explained in http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash) and it should be eog-dbgsym
[09:43] <dholbach> hey mvo
[09:43] <dholbach> i'm not good at french, and I tried to learn other languages as well, but didn't have enough people to talk to on a day-to-day basis, so I gave up again :)
[09:44] <mvo> hey dholbach!
[09:44] <Admiral_Chicago> well i studied it four years in school, but i don't practice ever
[09:45] <Admiral_Chicago> talk to raphael pinso
[09:47] <pradeep> thanks dholbach ! :)
[09:49] <Cieffe> moi aussi, j'ai etudie le francais a l'ecole :)
[09:50] <Cieffe> dholbach: done, can you check bug 66810
[09:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66810 in rhythmbox "Likes to crash shortly after startup" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66810
[09:52] <Cieffe> there is only one, bug 63143, undecided for rhytmbox now :)
[09:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63143 in rhythmbox "problems with rhythmbox and xubuntu 6.06" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63143
[09:52] <Admiral_Chicago> je parle francais seulement quand je vuex parle avec mes amis en prive
[09:52] <Admiral_Chicago> i can't do accent marks...
[09:52] <Cieffe> Admiral_Chicago: me too
[09:53] <Cieffe> It's the only thing i can say, and I'm not sure it's right :P
[10:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74023 in Fedora (universe) "Xorg does not start in dom0 with i810 driver" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74023
[10:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74024 in ubiquity (main) "Attempting to re-install Ubuntu 6.06 after a failed "upgrade" of Xubuntu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74024
[10:23] <seb128> dholbach is back to bug triage, waouh :)
[10:24] <Admiral_Chicago> dholbach: your email wasn't translated by babelfish, a lot easier to understand :P
[10:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71770 in ubiquity (main) "Unable to install Ubuntu 6.06 in HP Pavillion dv1325" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71770
[10:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71809 in ubiquity (main) "Installer crashed - "Install failed with exit code 1"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71809
[10:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73523 in ubiquity (main) "Installer Crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73523
[10:39] <Cieffe> seb128: i just see your comment
[10:39] <Cieffe> thanks
[10:39] <seb128> hi Cieffe
[10:39] <seb128> thank *you* for bug triaging ;)
[10:39] <Cieffe> I agree with you for bug 56557
[10:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56557 in rhythmbox "Queued songs are shuffled when shutting down and restarting" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/56557
[10:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71633 in ubiquity (main) "Installed crashed, line 696 gtkui.py" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71633
[10:41] <Cieffe> and also for bug 59703
[10:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59703 in rhythmbox "Import freezes/rhythmbox doesn't exit properly if a wmv file is in the watched directory" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59703
[10:42] <Cieffe> but it's ok to reject bug 33112?
[10:42] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 33112 in rhythmbox "[Dapper]  Rhythmbox does not play mp3's" [Undecided,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/33112
[10:44] <seb128> Cieffe: it is, that's why I didn't change it ;)
[10:44] <seb128> Cieffe: good work!
[10:44] <Cieffe> i'm raising more problem than trying to help :)
[10:45] <Cieffe> it should be
[10:45] <Cieffe> i'm raising more problem than solution  trying to help :)
[10:47] <DarkMageZ> maybe there is a better solution to 33112. back in the old days of windows, i think i recall a feature where if the media player couldn't play a file due to missing codecs. it would try and find the codec (always failed tho :P). maybe ubuntu's rhythmbox could advice the user that it found mp3 files during the scan and give them some advice?
[10:47] <Cieffe> seb128: and why you assigned this bug 61683 to ubuntu desktop if it was rejected?
[10:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61683 in rhythmbox "Error loading files : not an audio stream" [Undecided,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61683
[10:48] <seb128> Cieffe: why did you unassign it? ;)
[10:48] <seb128> DarkMageZ: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EasyCodecInstallation
[10:49] <Cieffe> DarkMageZ: as far as i know there is a spec already write for this
[10:49] <Cieffe> seb128: because if rejected it shouldn't be assigned
[10:49] <seb128> why not?
[10:49] <Cieffe> but of course i'm wrong :)
[10:49] <seb128> the team is still responsive for it
[10:50] <seb128> and if the submitter disagree and comment the team gets the mails for sure then
[10:50] <Cieffe> i think reject == not a bug => no one should resolve it => no one should have it assigned
[10:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74026 in libapt-front (main) "apt-index-watcher watch results in segfault" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74026
[10:50] <Admiral_Chicago> i don't suppose either of you gents know the license RSS uses?
[10:50] <seb128> rejected = not listed, not in the way
[10:50] <Cieffe> your last line is very clear :)
[10:50] <seb128> but still, if the submitter has extra comments somebody should read them
[10:51] <Cieffe> i understand
[10:51] <Cieffe> thanks
[10:51] <seb128> np
[10:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71940 in ubiquity (main) "I can't install my ubuntu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71940
[10:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74027 in gutenprint (main) "WISHLIST: Upgrade gutenprint to the CVS version" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74027
[10:56] <dholbach> hehe Admiral_Chicago
[10:56] <dholbach> hey seb128
[10:56] <seb128> dholbach: Alter!
[10:56] <Admiral_Chicago> i don't think the idea of RSS has a license
[10:56] <seb128> morning ;)
[10:56] <dholbach> Alter
[11:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74028 in scummvm (universe) "version 0.9.1 is already in Debian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74028
[11:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71592 in ubiquity (main) "Installer Crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71592
[11:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71945 in Ubuntu "HP Laserjet 1020 gets detected but doesn't work." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71945
[11:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74029 in slocate (main) "updatedb scans /mnt (hence /mnt/hgfs) by default" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74029
[11:12] <a7p> in #25226 someone complains about his CPU freqency not automatically beeing adjusted (in dapper). He changed some stuff and now it works like he wants it to - I've got absolutly no idea how to handle this bug. (personally I think it should be rejected, for cpu-scaling is handled diffently in edgy and with the feedback the user gives it is not possible to find a potential powernowd bug).
[11:17] <seb128> bug #25226
[11:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 25226 in laptop-mode "laptop-mode does not twiddle CPU frequency" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/25226
[11:18] <seb128> a7p: looks like a request to get the default config adapted then, he should not have to change the config to get it working
[11:18] <seb128> maybe confirming as a wishlist?
[11:19] <seb128> or reject if that's not revelant to edgy
[11:19] <seb128> I don't know enough about cpu-scaling to have a clear opinion about that one
[11:33] <a7p> seb128, It seem cpu scalling principially works for him ... normally powernowd does nothing else but setting the CPU-Frequency explicitly. And setting it manually seems to work for him ...
[11:34] <a7p> okay, I will reject it - since wishlisting is inadequat - fullfilling whould be a step back from where edgy is.
[11:34] <seb128> ok
[11:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74030 in firefox (main) "firefox crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74030
[11:58] <dholbach> Cieffe: good work
[12:01] <seb128> pfiou
[12:01] <dholbach> seb128: hm?
[12:02] <seb128> I've cleaned most of the desktop-bugs crasher which were "Need Info"
[12:02] <seb128> I'm reaching saturation on reading them
[12:02] <seb128> time to do something else :p
[12:03] <dholbach> packaged new g-s-t
[12:03] <dholbach> + s-t-b + liboobs :)
[12:03] <seb128> 115 to 63
[12:03] <dholbach> make the a11y team happy and package lsr
[12:04] <seb128> dholbach: you packaged the new gst?
[12:04] <dholbach> nope
[12:04] <dholbach> sorry s/packaged/package
[12:04] <dholbach> !
[12:04] <dholbach> it was a suggestion to do something else
[12:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68881 in gnome-panel (main) "Crash when right clicking on the window-list applet" [Unknown,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68881
[12:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69261 in gaim (main) "Crashes when recieved message" [Medium,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69261
[12:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69394 in gnome-panel (main) "[edgy] gnome-panel crash suddenly when i load a new window for firefox.." [Undecided,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69394
[12:05] <Admiral_Chicago> dholbach: want to help me set up a planet?
[12:05] <seb128> dholbach: I didn't notice there was a new g-s-t, I would be happy to do the update :)
[12:05] <Admiral_Chicago> in reality i have one question really
[12:06] <dholbach> Admiral_Chicago: I never did that
[12:06] <dholbach> seb128: enjoy
[12:06] <seb128> thank you
[12:06] <Admiral_Chicago> neither have I :(
[12:06] <seb128> I too the Need Info list matching crash from 115 to 61
[12:06] <dholbach> seb128: what about the new evoluition?
[12:06] <seb128> good enough for a morning ;)
[12:06] <jonh_wendell> seb128, what do you mean with "i've cleaned"? marked all rejected?
[12:06] <seb128> dholbach: they are waiting in the freeze limb somewhere
[12:07] <seb128> dholbach: I've uploaded it yesterday
[12:07] <dholbach> cool
[12:07] <seb128> jonh_wendell: most of them
[12:07] <jonh_wendell> wow
[12:07] <seb128> reopened and reassigned some
[12:07] <dholbach> gnumeric is there also, but I'd like the xubuntu folks to do it
[12:07] <jonh_wendell> can i do that too? :)
[12:07] <dholbach> and I'll merge the new gthumb soon also
[12:07] <seb128> Need Info for over 1 month and no reply
[12:07] <seb128> jonh_wendell: sure, Need Info bugs without infos are not useful
[12:07] <seb128> they can be closed after a month
[12:08] <jonh_wendell> nice to know this!
[12:08] <seb128> I close them with a comment saying "feel free to reopen with the asked details if you still get the bug"
[12:08] <jonh_wendell> ok
[12:08] <jonh_wendell> seb128, can you give me an example? on of these you have closed
[12:10] <seb128> jonh_wendell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gaim/+bug/69261
[12:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 69261 in gaim "Crashes when recieved message" [Medium,Rejected] 
[12:11] <yamal> so basically if information is requested but not received timely, it's policy to close?
[12:13] <jonh_wendell> i guess we have a lot of bugs like that. some from breezy epoch
[12:14] <yamal> exactly, quite alot of these around, that's why I wondered whether I understood this correctly
[12:14] <seb128> jonh_wendell: probably yep
[12:14] <seb128> well
[12:15] <seb128> the gaim bug I pointed is an easy case
[12:15] <seb128> a bug with like 15 comments and a discussing is not always to close even if it's Needs Infoi
[12:15] <seb128> discussion
[12:15] <seb128> it might have enough informations to be useful already
[12:16] <seb128> and many of those bugs actually have a comment and can be reopened and triaged
[12:38] <seb128> dholbach: I was considering update the title too for bug #67361
[12:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67361 in gaim "Gaim crashes after startup (strcmp) [NO MORE CRASH FILES NEEDED] " [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67361
[12:38] <seb128> people don't like to read comments apparently ;)
[12:38] <dholbach> yeah
[12:38] <dholbach> i started doing that with a11y crashes last cycle already
[12:42] <geser> are bugs which got fixed in feisty set to "Fix Released"?
[12:42] <dholbach> yes
[12:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68846 in gmediaserver (universe) "Not possible to remove package" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68846
[12:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74034 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "Serial ports of some HP Laptops don't work in Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74034
[01:04] <Admiral_Chicago> Bug #72518
[01:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72518 in Ubuntu "Include aiccu in multiverse" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/72518
[01:04] <Admiral_Chicago> can someone set as wishlist?
[01:05] <Admiral_Chicago> i'll package it sometime this week if I can get around to it
[01:07] <Hobbsee> Admiral_Chicago: done
[01:08] <Admiral_Chicago> Hobbsee: thank you
[01:08] <Admiral_Chicago> i wish i was on QA, not enough experience though
[01:08] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:10] <Admiral_Chicago> karma = 19K iirc
[01:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74036 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "Oops in scsi_mod and usbstorage" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74036
[01:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74037 in kdeadmin (main) "[feisty]  kuser ui is broken" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74037
[01:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74038 in totem (main) "Crash while generating thumbnails in nautilus windows" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74038
[01:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74039 in fityk (universe) "Fityk complains about mailcap entry" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74039
[01:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74040 in initramfs-tools (main) "no longer includes mptspi" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74040
[01:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74042 in gdebi (main) "Include "uninstall" button" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74042
[01:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74043 in pymol (universe) "Please sync pymol 0.98+0.99rc6-2 (universe) from Debian Sid (main)" [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74043
[01:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74045 in adept (main) "WISHLIST: aptitude-like behaviour for Adept" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74045
[01:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74047 in network-manager (main) "NM shouldn't depend on gnome-keyring" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74047
[01:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74048 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "kernel BUG when inserting usb stick" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74048
[03:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74049 in gaim (main) "gaim-remote not installed, breaks aim: links in firefox" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74049
[03:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74050 in tomboy (main) "tomboy in kubuntu (kde): the applet not visible in the main panel" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74050
[03:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74051 in defoma (main) "Defoma fontconfig backend creates weird fonts.conf" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74051
[03:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74052 in pennmush (universe) "Missing game directory config files" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74052
[03:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74053 in gnome-vfs2 (main) "[feisty]  gaim-url-handler now deals with aim links" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74053
[04:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74054 in defoma (main) "Defoma fontconfig backend creates weird fonts.conf" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74054
[04:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74055 in gdm (main) "gdm default theme fails to follow Fitt's Law ("options" button)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74055
[04:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74057 in update-manager (main) "update-manager with user's privileges and not with gksudo" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74057
[04:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73528 in lastfm (universe) "Last.FM crashes for no apparent reason" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73528
[05:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71954 in qdvdauthor (multiverse) "qdvdauthor can not start" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71954
[05:21] <pointwood> hi, I reported a bug some time ago and I'm wondering whether I have posted enough info or there is more I can do: https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/71715
[05:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71715 in Ubuntu "Thinkpad Z61T card reader doesn't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[05:21] <Admiral_Chicago> pointwood: 15:00.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments Unknown device 8039 is the line
[05:21] <Admiral_Chicago> or 15:00.2 Mass storage controller: Texas Instruments Unknown device 803b
[05:21] <Admiral_Chicago> have you tried firewire/
[05:22] <Admiral_Chicago> it seems the hardware vendor's driver is malfunctiondng
[05:22] <pointwood> it is an internal card reader
[05:22] <pointwood> I didn't notice I had one until after some time :p
[05:23] <pointwood> when I found it I of course had to try it and it didn't work
[05:23] <pointwood> not a big deal, but hey :)
[05:24] <Admiral_Chicago> look at the bug report, the stuff that isn't working is  a TI device driver
[05:24] <pointwood> yeah
[05:24] <Admiral_Chicago> sd card detected in socket 1
[05:24] <Admiral_Chicago> seems to half work...hmm
[06:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74058 in yarssr (universe) "Google Atom feeds do not work in Yarssr " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74058
[06:47] <Yawner> Howdy guys, can someone step in here, I am not too sure what to recommend.. https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/73784
[06:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73784 in firefox "Firefox crash when closing tab" [Undecided,Needs info] 
[07:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74059 in linux-source-2.6.19 (main) "ata2 timeouts, fails to boot" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74059
[07:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74060 in acpi-support (main) "lenovo 3000 N100 touch pad doesn't work after resume" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74060
[07:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74061 in mythtv (multiverse) "optimize_mythdb.pl" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74061
[07:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74062 in munin (universe) "[Sync Request]  Sync munin (1.2.5-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74062
[07:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74064 in Ubuntu "HP DeskJet 952C ignores color/grayscale settings" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74064
[07:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73480 in kdepim (main) "Problems with manual in KHelpCenter" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73480
[07:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74063 in hydrogen (universe) "went to load file, crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74063
[07:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74065 in vmware-player (multiverse) "apt-get remove vmware-player doesn't remove vmware-player service" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74065
[08:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74066 in gaim (main) "Crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74066
[08:24] <stgraber> just a small and really easy question, if a bug is reported about a non-free software that's even not in Multiverse (Opera for this case) do I have to reject the bug with an explicit comment ? or what can I do ?
[08:26] <ivoks> god question
[08:27] <ivoks> that's a package devlierd by canonical's repos
[08:27] <stgraber> yes, that's why I'm asking
[08:27] <ivoks> imho, you should reject it
[08:28] <ivoks> it's not part of ubuntu distribution
[08:30] <stgraber> ok --> rejected
[08:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74068 in evolution (main) "evolution crashed while switching exchange folder" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74068
[08:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74069 in Ubuntu "razer USB mouse isn't recognized after system startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74069
[08:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74070 in evolution (main) "Google Calendar ics support" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74070
[08:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74071 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "Unexpected system hangups" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74071
[08:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73477 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "Network cards do not work on nForce 590-SLI" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73477
[09:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74072 in vmware-player (multiverse) "installing vmware-player failed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74072
[09:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74073 in powermanga (universe) "[Merge]  powermanga 0.80-dfsg-1ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74073
[09:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74074 in Baltix "Support keyboard GABA Model KB-2925" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74074
[09:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74075 in hotkey-setup (main) "Support keyboard GABA Model KB-2925" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74075
[09:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73529 in Ubuntu "Doesn't install the connector." [Undecided,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73529
[09:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68844 in ubiquity (main) "Installer Crashed (Ubuntu 6.10)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68844
[09:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74076 in Ubuntu "RiserFS partition not recognised as root partition" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74076
[09:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74077 in udev (main) "iftab_helper return an already allocated devname on ppp with /etc/iftab" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74077
[09:45] <davmor2> bug 54966 someones is asking that the nvidia-glx package be split in two so that if your running kde you don't need to install gtk2 unless you want the nvidia-settings program isn't this a request for a change to defaults
[09:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54966 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17 "nvidia-glx boasts unnecessary dependencies" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/54966
[09:48] <RichT> Hi, is keedcook here?
[09:48] <RichT> Sorry, keescook!
[10:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74078 in brasero (universe) "Brasero crashes deleting a dvd-rw" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74078
[10:05] <keescook> ack.  RichT/starbug/cmodyssey left too quick.  :)
[10:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74079 in totem (main) "tried running a music video" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74079
[10:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74081 in jokosher (universe) "Crashed on attempting to select a section of the track" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74081
[10:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74082 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.19 (restricted) "no more glx" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74082
[10:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74083 in mozilla (universe) "Crash when printing HTML page with frames/iframes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74083
[10:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74084 in gaim (main) "crash on switching off account" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74084
[10:50] <dfarning> quick question about bug triage.  Should I worry about bugs in firefox 1.5 as shipped in dapper or should I work on 2.x and wait for someone to backpost 2.x to dapper
[10:52] <dfarning> s/backpost/backport/gc
[10:52] <davmor2> 2.x probably won't get backported to edgy
[10:53] <dfarning> do we then worry about issues in 1.5 for LTS
[10:54] <davmor2> yes look into them as it is still the default
[10:55] <dfarning> thanks
[10:56] <davmor2> dfarning:  if there are fixes in 2.x you may want to just let them know that and to look out for it.
[10:58] <dfarning> how should the orginal bug in 1.5 be marked?
[11:00] <dfarning> 'fixrelease' if fixed in 2.0 but not 1.5?
[11:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74086 in openssh (main) "neither ~/.bash_profile nor ~/.bashrc are read for ssh login" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74086
[11:01] <davmor2> I went for "in progress" and then a short explanation saying what the fix is and it will be made available with "this particular release"
[11:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74087 in xserver-xgl (universe) "xserver-xgl crashed and xserver restarts after loading large PDF" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74087
[11:03] <dfarning> davmor2: what if it looks like there will not be a fix in 1.5?  most of the dev work is being done in 2.0.
[11:03] <davmor2> pass still new at this myself
[11:04] <dfarning> thanks, I'll ask ask again later when dh is on
[11:04] <davmor2> or sfllaw
[11:05] <sfllaw> dfarning: You called?
[11:05] <sfllaw> dfarning: We do have to worry about old Firefox bugs in Dapper, because it is LTS.
[11:05] <sfllaw> It is unlikely that bugs will be fixed there, but someone ought to pay attention to them.
[11:06] <sfllaw> Especially if there is a security bug.
[11:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74088 in oo2c (universe) "Please sync oo2c (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74088
[11:08] <dfarning> hey sfllaw just read the transcript of your bug squad meeting
[11:08] <sfllaw> dfarning: Hello.
[11:08] <dfarning> nice job
[11:08] <sfllaw> dfarning: Thans.
[11:09] <dfarning> should just let bugs against 1.5 sit as confirmed in LP
[11:09] <dfarning> if they have been fixed in 2.0
[11:18] <ailean> davmor2, i see you're here :D
[11:18] <ailean> i've sent a reply to the bug you rejected explaining my point of view. have you got that?
[11:19] <davmor2> hang on I'll check
[11:20] <ailean> davmor2, 55709
[11:22] <davmor2> ailean:  the report I sent you back is the default message for getting a change to a package default
[11:23] <ailean> i see
[11:23] <ailean> davmor2, what do you suggest i do then? An ISO standard shouldn't need discussion
[11:24] <davmor2> as the default is incorrect it does need to change.
[11:25] <ailean> yep. the problem is that it's not that important to most people :)
[11:25] <ailean> i appreciate you looking at it
[11:25] <davmor2> sfllaw who is the best group of people to get onto about this?
[11:25] <davmor2> would it motu?
[11:26] <crimsun> err, what?
[11:27] <ailean> changing the name of a language
[11:27] <ailean> Bug 55709
[11:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55709 in language-pack-gnome-en-base ""Scots Gaelic" should be "Scottish Gaelic"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/55709
[11:27] <crimsun> no, motu is not appropriate
[11:27] <crimsun> language-pack-gnome-en-base | 1:6.10+20061019 | http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Sources
[11:27] <sfllaw> davmor2: Is there an actual argument here?
[11:28] <ailean> sfllaw, no
[11:29] <sfllaw> ailean: OK.  So ask the maintainer what he/she thinks.
[11:29] <sfllaw> I must go.
[11:29] <ailean> pitti then
[11:29] <davmor2> sfllaw no just confusion I put it down to needing a change to default which is agreed
[11:29] <crimsun> bye, sfllaw
[11:29] <ailean> seeya sfllaw
[11:30] <ailean> i'll email pitti
[11:30] <davmor2> bye
[11:30] <ailean> thanks for your help davmor2
[11:30] <davmor2> okay ailean sorry I couldn't help more
[11:31] <ailean> i don't see what you could do :)
[11:31] <davmor2> :)
[11:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74089 in console-common (main) "[Sync Request]  Sync console-common (0.7.68) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74089
[11:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74090 in gnunet (universe) "Bug in gnunet dpkg configure script " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74090
[12:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74091 in gnome-app-install (main) "Removing a package gives entirely wrong error message" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74091