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graham_100i have no clue how to use some parts of ubuntu  can somebody help me??12:47
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andrewgraham_100: #ubuntu12:47
graham_100andrew been in there not helping me12:48
tonyyarussograham_100: Perhaps - what parts?  (#ubuntu is good for general stuff usually, but depending what you need maybe we can take it here)12:48
graham_100tonyyarusso i need to know how to use a second hard drive mainly on ubuntu12:48
graham_100installed formatted and partitioned but i cant do anything with it12:49
tonyyarussograham_100: Is it mounted?12:49
graham_100it says so12:49
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tonyyarussoDescribe what your process is and what happens.12:49
graham_100i just checked and it is mounted definately12:49
graham_100i open the drive by double click12:50
graham_100and once in i can't creat save or do anything with it12:50
graham_100which i find strange12:50
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graham_100it is partitioned as ext212:50
tonyyarussoOkay, my first guess is it's a permissions issue.12:51
tonyyarussoIt sounds like you don't have write permissions.12:51
graham_100oh is that fixable?12:51
tonyyarussoAs long as we can make sure that's what's going on.12:51
graham_100ok how do i do that??12:51
tonyyarussoWe can check in the GUI, but frankly it's easier on a command line - is that okay?12:51
graham_100i know some basics not that though lol12:51
graham_100i can do terminal12:52
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tonyyarusso'ls -l /media/newdrive' , or whatever the path to the drive is.12:52
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graham_100is the path to drive the hdb1??12:52
tonyyarussoWhereever it's mounted.12:54
tonyyarussohdb1 is the device, you need the mounted path.12:54
graham_100tells me ls invalid option12:55
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tonyyarussoIt's l and in Luxemburg in both cases, by the way, not a one.12:55
graham_100mounted path would be computer:///??12:56
graham_100so hdbl??12:56
graham_10037.3 GB Volume: hdb1 that is what it says it is12:56
graham_100sorry if i sound so thick12:57
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tonyyarussoDid you mount it using a mount command, gui, or fstab?12:58
graham_100i think i did it with the right click optiion12:59
graham_100`right click`  `mount device`12:59
tonyyarussoAh, okay.01:00
tonyyarusso'cat /etc/mtab'01:01
tonyyarussoI think that will tell us something useful.01:01
graham_100kelly@kelly-desktop:~$ cat /etc/mtab01:02
graham_100/dev/hda1 / ext3 rw,errors=remount-ro 0 001:02
graham_100proc /proc proc rw 0 001:02
graham_100/sys /sys sysfs rw 0 001:02
graham_100varrun /var/run tmpfs rw 0 001:02
graham_100varlock /var/lock tmpfs rw 0 001:02
graham_100procbususb /proc/bus/usb usbfs rw 0 001:02
graham_100udev /dev tmpfs rw 0 001:02
graham_100devpts /dev/pts devpts rw,gid=5,mode=620 0 001:02
graham_100devshm /dev/shm tmpfs rw 0 001:02
graham_100lrm /lib/modules/2.6.15-27-386/volatile tmpfs rw 0 001:02
graham_100/dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1 ext2 rw 0 001:02
graham_100sorry if i pasted to much01:02
graham_100it's that bit on the last line about second drive yes??01:03
tonyyarussoSo, 'ls -l /media/hdb1'01:03
graham_100kelly@kelly-desktop:~$ ls -l /media/hdb101:04
graham_100total 4801:04
graham_100drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 49152 2006-11-28 01:12 lost+found01:04
graham_100what is that telling me ?01:04
graham_100it has a file in there called lost+found01:04
cafuego_no, that's a directory01:05
cafuego_it should be empty01:06
graham_100lost+found is empty01:06
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tonyyarussoOh hey, we actually need the parent of that don't we?01:07
tonyyarussograham_100: 'ls -l /media'01:07
tonyyarussoMy bad01:07
maniacmusicianwell it's safe to assume from that output that root owns the entire drive01:07
cafuego_lost+found is where damaged files are dumped by fsck, if the filesystem is damaged by an unclean unmount.01:07
maniacmusicianbecause graham hasn't made any changes there yet01:07
maniacmusicianso he needs to make himself the owner of /media/hdb101:07
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graham_100well the computer name is my g/f name  "kelly"01:08
tonyyarussomaniacmusician: Not necessarily the owner - just have at least +w set01:08
maniacmusiciantonyyarusso: yeah true. I guess i'm just in the habit of doing that with my drives :)01:09
tonyyarussograham_100: If I remember my mount syntax (debatable) you need to add 'user' to the "options" portion.01:09
graham_100oooh how do we do that bit?01:09
tonyyarussograham_100: If you just want a one-time fix, you can use sudo with chown or chmod (your choice)01:09
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graham_100is that straight forward way then?01:09
maniacmusicianor if you prefer gui, you can do a "gksudo nautilus" and use nautilus to modify the permissions01:10
tonyyarussograham_100: 'gksu gedit /etc/fstab'.  Find the line in there for this drive, and note the column headings - lloking for option.01:10
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tonyyarussograham_100: Change it from just defaults to defaults,user01:10
tonyyarusso(SOmeone correct me if I'm wrong)01:10
maniacmusiciansounds okay.01:11
tonyyarussoI know there's also a "users" option, which I get confused with "user"01:11
graham_100i have fstab open now01:11
tonyyarussoSee a line for this drive?01:11
maniacmusicianCommon for  all  types01:12
graham_100would that be it?01:12
maniacmusician       of  file  system  are  the options noauto (do not mount when "mount -a" is given, e.g., at boot time), user (allow a user to mount), and owner (allow device01:12
maniacmusician       owner to mount)01:12
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graham_100# /etc/fstab: static file system information.01:13
graham_100# <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>01:13
graham_100proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       001:13
graham_100/dev/hda1       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       101:13
graham_100/dev/hdb1       /media/hdb1     ext2    defaults        0       201:13
graham_100/dev/hda5       none            swap    sw              0       001:13
graham_100/dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       001:13
graham_100is all that is there01:13
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graham_100is that good or bad??01:13
tonyyarusso/dev/hdb1       /media/hdb1     ext2    defaults        0       2 is the line in question01:13
graham_100right i see that01:14
tonyyarussoJust make "defaults" "defaults,user"01:14
tonyyarussoSave, and exit01:14
graham_100now i have to change it right??01:14
graham_100changed how do i save it?01:14
tonyyarussoThen unmount and remount the drive for the new settings to take effect, and you should be all set.01:14
tonyyarussoDid you open in gedit?01:15
tonyyarussoBig ol' save button.01:15
tonyyarussoIn nano, Ctrl-O01:15
graham_100yeah i guess01:15
graham_100*fstab (/etc) - gedit is the header on window01:15
graham_100so just ctrl-o now to save??01:16
graham_100:) think i am learning01:16
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tonyyarussoThat was for a different editor.01:17
mdzgraham_100: cilck the icon with the word 'save' under it01:17
mdzclick, even01:17
tonyyarussoCtrl-S, or the big save button01:17
graham_100got it :)01:17
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graham_100now unmount    remount to see if it works??01:18
maniacmusiciana simple sudo mount -a will do the job01:18
graham_100but i just tried that and because it's me unable to unmount the drive lol01:18
maniacmusician"sudo mount -a"01:19
graham_100sudo mount -a didn't appear to do anything let me just check01:19
maniacmusicianwhat it does is it remounts all the drives, and applies all changes made in the /etc/fstab file01:20
maniacmusicianso it just applied the permission changes01:20
maniacmusicianyou should be able to write to the drive now01:20
graham_100nope made no difference how do i unmount now???01:20
graham_100for some reason i can't get it to do these things lol01:20
graham_100umount: only root can unmount /dev/hdb1 from /media/hdb101:21
tonyyarussoUse sudo01:21
graham_100that is what it tells me01:21
maniacmusiciansudo umount01:21
maniacmusiciantonyyarusso: also, he was using unmount instead of umount01:21
maniacmusicianerr wait.01:21
maniacmusicianhe was using nautilus lol01:21
tonyyarussoThat would do it too01:21
graham_100now sudo -a mount to remount?01:21
tonyyarussosudo mount -a01:22
graham_100aargh didn't work ! how do you guys not get stressed with this??01:23
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graham_100:) this is problem with using windows 15 years then going to linux i guess01:23
graham_100so where do i begin now?01:24
maniacmusicianI'm guessing user was just the wrong option.01:24
maniacmusicianwhat I would do (because it's easiest for me) is make yourself the owner of the whole drive.01:24
graham_100could i have done something wrong with the partition and format?01:24
graham_100how do i do that with the owner ??01:25
maniacmusicianI'm not familiar with the command line way to do it01:25
tonyyarussosudo chown graham:graham, if graham is your user name01:26
tonyyarussoActually, make it chown -R01:26
maniacmusicianand add the location of the drive, too01:26
tonyyarussosudo chown -R graham:graham /media/hdb101:26
maniacmusicianand actually, the username is kelly01:26
maniacmusicianso sudo chown -R kelly:kelly /media/hdb101:27
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graham_100ok so kelly being the user name of pc      sudo chown -R kelly:kelly/media/hdb1??01:27
Corbeauxuu need a space there somewhere01:27
maniacmusicianmake sure you leave a space between kelly and the path to the file01:27
maniacmusicianpath to the drive*01:28
graham_100file owner is still root01:29
graham_100can't seem to do this01:29
graham_100isn't there another way to do this?01:29
tonyyarussoPastebin your terminal01:29
Corbeauxis the extra drive empty?01:29
graham_100the extra drive is empty but formatted01:30
Corbeauxthe chown command should have worked01:30
graham_100umount: only root can unmount /dev/hdb1 from /media/hdb101:30
tonyyarussoThat's what sudo is for01:30
Corbeauxyou need to put sudo in front your command to do it as root01:30
graham_100kelly@kelly-desktop:~$ sudo chown -R kelly /media/hdb101:31
graham_100kelly@kelly-desktop:~$ umount: only root can unmount /dev/hdb1 from /media/hdb1umount: only root can unmount /dev/hdb1 from /media/hdb101:31
Corbeauxkinda like in windows where it asks you for administrator password to do some things, in linux use sudo01:31
graham_100that is my terminal view at the moment01:31
maniacmusicianwhy do you have that pasted into the terminal?01:32
Corbeauxdo this: cat /etc/fstab01:32
Corbeauxpaste the results here01:32
maniacmusicianCorbeaux: I think he just did the chown command wrong01:32
tonyyarussoAnd it really should be kelly:kelly, not just one kelly01:32
graham_100kelly@kelly-desktop:~$ cat /etc/fstab01:33
graham_100# /etc/fstab: static file system information.01:33
graham_100# <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>01:33
graham_100proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       001:33
graham_100/dev/hda1       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       101:33
graham_100/dev/hdb1       /media/hdb1     ext2    defaults,user        0       201:33
graham_100/dev/hda5       none            swap    sw              0       001:33
graham_100/dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       001:33
graham_100i just spotted i have an error on main drive with the o/s on it01:33
tonyyarussoWhat's that?01:34
maniacmusicianalright, i'm outta here. graham_100: the command is "sudo chown -R kelly:kelly /media/hdb1" just copy and paste it into the terminal. ciao, everyone01:36
tonyyarussoBy maniacmusician01:37
graham_100that didn't do anything that line of command just then01:37
Corbeauxyou copied and pasted it?01:37
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Corbeauxsudo chown -R kelly:kelly /media/hdb101:38
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Corbeauxthen do : ls -l /media/hdb*01:39
tonyyarussograham_100: "didn't do anything" - in Linux, no output means it works.  It assumes it will work, and tells you if it doesn't, unlike Windows, which assumes it will fail and gets all excited when it can do something.01:39
Corbeauxis xgl installed as the default desktop in the new ubuntu?01:41
tonyyarussoCorbeaux: aiglx, not xgl - still under discussion01:41
tonyyarussokh: 201:41
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Corbeauxhey graham01:43
graham_100it worked :)01:43
Corbeauxls -l /media/hdb*01:43
Corbeauxah ok01:43
graham_100thankyou all whom helped with that problem01:43
Corbeauxcool :)01:43
graham_100anyone know anything on wireless cards?01:46
graham_100i know i need ndiswrapper and thats as far as i have been01:47
graham_100*try to write down what i learn*01:48
Corbeauxsorry, never used wireless. Don't even have ubuntu installed, just here lurking for the first time since someone said it was cool somewhere01:49
tonyyarussoI can't help you with ndiswrapper, but I can recommend creating a "stuff I learned" folder and copying all of these sorts of conversations into it.01:49
tonyyarussoCorbeaux: haha!01:49
tonyyarussoThat amuses me for some reason01:49
Corbeauxit was on a LUG list :p01:49
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Corbeauxwill ubuntu's gui run ok in a virtual machine? I saw a video of the XGL desktop on youtube and got renewed interest in it. Which is in itself a paradox since initially, i hated it due to it's lack of a fullscreen text mode01:52
graham_100can you get belkin cards to work on ubuntu??  mine is recognised but says "belkin unknown 700e"01:52
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maniacmusiciangraham_100:  i have some experience with ndiswrapper. it's a pain in the ass though.01:53
maniacmusicianthe first thing I'd recommend is using these two pages http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Installation and http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/List  as they helped me a lot. But a new user like you may find himself in over his head with that01:53
graham_100i think that may be the case01:54
maniacmusicianheh I guess I could walk you through it. are you trying to install it right now?01:55
graham_100i have used ndiswrapper before but it caused problems on startup, just got stuck at configuring hardware and i had to re-install01:55
graham_100i am wanting to get it working asap yeah :)01:55
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maniacmusicianwell first you start with the command "lspci". Find the line that your card is on, and copy&paste the number in front of it.01:57
graham_1000000:00:0b.0 Network controller: RaLink: Unknown device 030101:58
graham_100i think that is it?01:58
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maniacmusicianyou said the card was belkin...that looks like the manufacturer is RaLink02:00
maniacmusicianJust post the entire output.02:00
graham_100it is a belkin wireless g desktop f5d7000uk ver 6000uk02:01
Corbeauxlspci |grep elkin02:01
graham_100kelly@kelly-desktop:~$ lspci02:01
graham_1000000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  730 Host (rev 02)02:01
graham_1000000:00:00.1 IDE interface: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  5513 [IDE]  (rev d0)0000:00:01.0 ISA bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  SiS85C503/5513 (LPC Bridge)02:01
graham_1000000:00:01.1 Ethernet controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  SiS900 PCI Fast Ethernet (rev 82)02:01
graham_1000000:00:01.2 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  USB 1.0 Controller (rev 07)02:01
graham_1000000:00:01.3 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  USB 1.0 Controller (rev 07)02:01
graham_1000000:00:01.4 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  SiS PCI Audio Accelerator (rev 02)02:01
graham_1000000:00:02.0 PCI bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  Virtual PCI-to-PCI bridge (AGP)02:01
graham_1000000:00:0b.0 Network controller: RaLink: Unknown device 030102:01
graham_1000000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  630/730 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter (rev 31)02:01
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Corbeauxbelkin card with ralink chipset?02:01
maniacmusicianmust be02:02
graham_100that is what i am thinking02:02
graham_100i did something earlier and is said belkin unknown device 700e02:02
maniacmusiciangraham_100:  now do a "lspci -n". copy and paste the line with "0000:00:0b.0" in front of it02:02
graham_1000000:00:0b.0 0280: 1814:030102:04
graham_100does that say what chipset it has?02:05
maniacmusicianCard: Linksys #[WMP54G v4.1] , 54mbps -- [link here|List#WMP54G v4.1] , Chipset: Ralink RT6102:06
maniacmusicianthe chipset part is all that matters.02:06
graham_100so i have a lynksys card in principle?02:07
maniacmusicianyou have a Ralink chipset. Belkin just buys them from RaLink and uses them in its cards02:07
maniacmusicianit also uses broadcom chipsets a lot.02:08
graham_100ah i see so i should be able to get it to work then on this basis?02:08
maniacmusicianwell I'm trying to find the driver. It says that it's provided on the RaLink website.02:08
Corbeauxjust a note graham, most hardware is created by just a few manufacturers then rebranded to hell and back by others so you will probably see this again with a belkin card that somehow gets id'ed as linksys. The chipset is all that matters and in this case, it seems to be ralink02:08
graham_100so i need to get ndiswrapper again and install apropriate ralink driver??02:09
graham_100if i use the ralink rt61 driver will it work?02:11
maniacmusicianyes, you have to have ndiswrapper installed. "sudo aptitude install ndiswrapper-utils"02:11
maniacmusicianyes it should. Trying to find it right now though.02:11
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graham_100some reason i dont see ndiswrapper in my menus this time02:13
maniacmusicianit's a command line app, so you shouldn't. to get a gui for it, I think you'd install ndiswrapper-gtk02:13
maniacmusicianbut actually02:13
maniacmusicianit seems that there are actually linux drivers for this chipset!02:14
graham_100i have problem on my system with wine now hang on02:14
maniacmusicianbut they will require compiling and that's something I'm not very experienced with. should probably get on the forums if you need help with it02:14
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maniacmusicianunless Corbeaux feels like doing it (being from a non-ubuntu distro, he's probably more used to compiling)02:15
maniacmusicianI can tell you however that you will need to have your kernel headers installed and the correct gcc02:16
graham_100now that is where i will be totaly lost02:16
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maniacmusician:) yes, it's complicated. I recommend getting on to http://ubuntuforums.org and starting a thread in the general help section02:17
maniacmusicianas I said, your drivers are located at http://www.ralinktech.com/supp-1.htm and you have the RT61 chipset. you need to have your kernel headers and the proper version of gcc installed02:18
graham_100well at least we have an idea of what the chipset is on the card and i have a loation of the drivers02:20
maniacmusicianyes. there is also a readme file, but that'll be over your head to, its very technical02:21
maniacmusicianI just downloaded the driver, and it also comes with a WPA supplicant, so that's good news for you02:22
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graham_100i have noticed me being single track minded with windows has made linux difficult to learn for me02:22
maniacmusicianyeah, you'll notice that a lot in the coming months if you decide to continue with linux02:22
graham_100what is a wpa suplicant?02:22
maniacmusicianit's an extra thing that allows you to use WPA encryption on your card. This often doesn't work for people, but your driver supports it, so it's a big plus02:23
graham_100deffinately going to keep linux it's loads more stable than windows that i have noticed02:23
graham_100i guess it's a good card i have then02:23
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maniacmusicianbut my advice on getting comfortable with linux is to try and use the command line as much as possible, as it forces you to learn faster. Also, whenever people tell you to run commands or do something, make sure you ask questions about what you're doing, so that you understand it, and what's actually going on with your system as you do it.02:24
maniacmusicianthe forums that I mentioned are an excellent place for getting help and learning stuff02:25
graham_100that's a thing i havn't been doing, i do write things down as much as i can though02:25
graham_100maybe someday i will help others like me02:25
maniacmusicianyeah, that's good. You'll find that the more common commands, you'll just memorize them, because of how often you use them02:26
maniacmusicianOh, I'm sure you will. I've only been using linux for 4 or 5 months02:26
maniacmusician(I tried it last year for a bit, but it was too hard, and I gave it up, went back to windows. Then this year, came back, stuck with it, and got rid of my windows partition too)02:26
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graham_100i jumped in the deep end got fed up with g/f loosing all her work with windows crashing and got rid all together02:28
maniacmusicianhaha great, it will force you to learn a lot faster.02:28
graham_100definately g/f is learning it all faster than me lol02:28
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maniacmusicianwell thats good02:32
Corbeauxgirls are usually more intelligent than us guys02:35
Corbeauxor they argue until we say so02:35
Corbeauxi'm a debian guy but forced to use redhat in work :(02:36
maniacmusicianah I see. I don't really like redhat myself. dont see much advantage to them02:38
maniacmusiciancompanies just use it because of the reputation it's built up.02:38
Corbeauxit's good to have someone to blame02:40
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Corbeauxor that's the logic they gave me when i kicked a fuss about hem not using debian the first time02:41
maniacmusicianhaha yeah that too02:42
maniacmusicianWell, Ubuntu offers corporate-level support from Canonical, so maybe that's a more viable solution for companies in the future02:42
Corbeauxin the future yes02:43
Corbeauxi saw on the website a few months ago that they are even offering certification in ubuntu now02:43
CorbeauxI think that's an awesome idea02:43
maniacmusicianyeah. The only problem is that it has to catch on. Don't know if that will ever happen02:45
CorbeauxI try to convert all my friends to ubuntu but it's hard to give them support if you don't actually use it yourself sometimes, especially when they have questions about the GUI. I guess i can tell them to come here in the future02:46
Corbeauxlots of really patient people here :p02:46
maniacmusicianhehe yeah. I'd actually recommend the forums as well. It's not as fast, but there's a lot of cool people there as well02:48
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Corbeauxsomething else that impressed me with ubuntu was it's one step lampp setup, well it was intended at the time, never checked if they actually did it02:49
Corbeauxlampp used to take up to a full day the first time i tried02:50
maniacmusicianyup, that has been one of the priorities of the developers02:50
maniacmusicianand last I heard, it was going great02:51
Corbeauxso they did it then?02:51
maniacmusicianwell I don't know about one step02:51
maniacmusicianbut I've seen how-to's for it on the forum, and they seemed pretty easy to follow02:51
Corbeauxi was thinking they would bring it down to apt-get install lamp02:52
maniacmusicianlol, maybe by 7.0402:53
maniacmusicianit's really pretty amazing how fast development is going02:53
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kishanany one teaching03:28
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englaI think it's pause until tomorrow right now03:33
englawhatever that means03:33
englabut it seems classes are mostly during the european day03:34
naliothmeans: "all times are in UTC"03:34
engla(I don't mind I'm CET)03:34
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elkbuntuits a pause, yes. however there's #ubuntu-freshers which iirc is for general questions. there's not many in there now, but hopefully this will improve as friday reaches more people03:35
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tonyyarussoYeah, I was looking for a clarification on that - why the separate channel for Friday's festivities compared to the rest of the week?03:38
naliothyes, that is a good question03:39
naliothi see much confusion ahead03:39
tonyyarussoStarting with me :)03:39
tonyyarussoIs something else going on here in the meantime, or?03:39
maniacmusicianat least there will be people in here to redirect everyone to #ubuntu-freshers03:40
maniacmusicianno, nothing going on here03:40
elkbuntuyou'd have to ask jono as to the reasoning. im sure somewhere in that british brain of his there's method to the madness03:47
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englaif this is a classroom and -freshers is not03:49
englathen it makes sense03:49
englaI assume you can speak more freely in -freshers03:49
elkbuntuengla, there's #ubuntu-classroom-chat as well. why not do the freshers thing there?03:51
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naliothconfusion confusion04:09
tonyyarusso /join #ubuntu-confusion ;)04:10
effie_jayxis there such channel ?04:11
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effie_jayxnalioth, LOL04:11
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jribis this room safe to bring in someone to help at the moment?04:22
jribI fear tonyyarusso may scare them away04:22
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tonyyarussojrib: All safe now!04:22
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jribSpiceydog: alright, you have https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine opened up?04:23
jribok, well it says "For help on adding repositories, see the Repositories page" which is a link to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories04:24
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jribthat page will give you a good understanding of how repositories work04:25
jribit goes on to say that you want to add the following repository:04:25
jribdeb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt edgy main04:25
Spiceydogwhere does it say that?04:25
jrib[WWW]  WineHQ provides the newest versions of Wine packaged for Ubuntu. To use these, you need to add the WineHQ repository and then install Wine with Synaptic. For help on adding repositories, see the Repositories page.04:26
jrib   1.04:26
jrib      Add the repository:04:26
jrib          *04:26
jrib            For Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft): Add the following repository deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt edgy main04:26
jribcool, do you understand how to do that?04:27
Spiceydogwell.. when i type:  deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt edgy main into the terminal i get this: bash: deb: command not found04:28
jribk, that's not the right approach.  Open up your sources.list.  'gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list'04:28
Spiceydogok open04:28
jribok pick any line that starts with "deb http..." and paste it here for us to look at04:29
Spiceydoggot it04:29
Spiceydogdeb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted04:29
jribok does that look similar to    deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt edgy main ?  (yes)04:30
Spiceydoglol yah04:30
jribso that line is just giving us a new deb line to add to your sources.list04:30
jribso at the bottom of the file in your editor, just paste:  deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt edgy main04:30
jribon its own line04:31
Spiceydoggot it04:31
jribyou can do this through the gui as well, I encourage you to read through https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories04:31
jribSpiceydog: ok save the file and exit04:31
Spiceydognow u want me to type: sudo apt-get update04:31
jribnow any time you manually edit sources.list, you have to tell apt-get to update the package list.  Right, apt-get update04:32
SpiceydogE: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)04:32
SpiceydogE: Unable to lock the list directory04:32
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jribsudo apt-get update    you probably skipped the sudo because I didn't say, sorry about that04:33
Spiceydogok its working04:33
jribok, so now your apt-get will look for packages in the new repository you just added04:33
Spiceydogwell it just did a hole buncha things... but then ended with those 'Could not open lock file...' things..04:33
jribtry 'sudo apt-get install wine', it should prompt you to install the new version04:34
SpiceydogE: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?04:34
jribdo you have synaptic open maybe?04:34
Spiceydogthat was it04:34
Spiceydoglet me redue it04:34
Spiceydogalright it worked that time04:34
jribyeah, synaptic and apt-get are just different ways to do the same thing.  They use the same database so you can only use one at a time04:34
jribtry 'sudo apt-get install wine', it should prompt you to install the new version04:35
Spiceydogsudo apt-get install wine now?04:35
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jribyou aren't using edgy04:35
Spiceydoglol great04:35
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jribso where are you now, did it install?04:36
Spiceydogno.. it said this: talled04:36
Spiceydog        Depends: libxml2 (>= 2.6.26) but 2.6.24.dfsg-1ubuntu1 is to be installed        Depends: libxslt1.1 (>= 1.1.17) but 1.1.15-1ubuntu1 is to be installed04:36
SpiceydogE: Broken packages04:36
jribgo back and edit your sources.list04:36
jribmake it say dapper instead of edgy on that last line04:37
Spiceydogok wut was it that i type to get that/04:37
jribgksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list04:37
Spiceydoghey shud it say: dapper-security instead of just dapper.. since the other 1 did?04:38
jribnope, that's good04:38
Spiceydogshud i do this again: sudo apt-get update04:39
jribright, every time you edit sources.list you should do that04:39
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Spiceydogalright. now ill do the install thing04:39
jribthis was a good way for you to learn a valuable lesson though, don't mix packages from other distributions or releases04:40
jribyep, go ahead and install04:40
Spiceydogalright it appears to be working now04:40
Spiceydogomg... slow internet.. 39kbps..04:40
jribgreat, did everything make sense?  Any questions?04:40
Spiceydogyah made alotta since! thanks for all ur help.04:41
effie_jayxwhat good gmas run on wine?04:42
Spiceydogworld of warcraft04:42
Spiceydoghey does Counter-Strike run on it?04:43
Spiceydogi got a special cracked version of counter-strike..04:43
jribSpiceydog: http://appdb.winehq.org/04:43
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towsonu2003I guess s/he was sing a cli irc client?05:49
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stalefriesperhaps, although you can use /exit on gui ones too05:51
yasoIs any indians out there !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!05:57
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poningruerr -?06:00
poningruwhat bhasha?06:00
poningruerr language06:00
tonyyarussoWhat the heck poningru ?06:01
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tonyyarussoWhat are you talking about?06:03
poningrutonyyarusso: yaso asked who here is an indian06:04
poningruI said I am06:04
yasoah, thanks06:04
yasostupid indians geeks :@06:04
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yasosorry, how do i connect BSNL, TATA using Ubuntu06:06
yasoDo i need pppoe dialer or something ?06:06
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abattoiryaso: try 'sudo pppoeconf'06:10
abattoirthat is of course, if it is PPPoE06:10
abattoirtry #ubuntu for support questions06:10
abattoirthis channel might not be very active06:10
yasoabattoir, well, I can't config thought. nyway i found something intresting06:11
yasoabattoir, thanks06:11
abattoirno problem06:11
tonyyarussoDoes anyone really understand what Jono has in mind for tomorrow?06:17
maniacmusicianI think it's just time when people that are not yet using ubuntu, thinking about using it, or really new to it can come and ask some general questions, get tips on how to get a better experience out of it, etc06:18
tonyyarussoWho's giving the answers?  Anybody who's been around for a bit?06:18
tonyyarussoSeems a tad free-for-all-ish.  Could be interesting.06:19
maniacmusicianI think just normal community members06:20
maniacmusicianare giving answers06:20
tonyyarussoCould be cool06:20
maniacmusicianand yes it does seem free-for-all-ish. I'm hoping it'll be good, as long as we get good community turnout06:21
maniacmusicianof course, if we don't get much fresher turnout, that'll be pointless lol06:21
tonyyarussoI'm also a little intrigued that with the free-for-all he still seems to have himself handling keeping order in the channel on his own.06:21
maniacmusicianlol hopefully there won't be much need of order-keeping06:22
tonyyarussoIf it's anything like the rest of the week it'll be fine.06:23
maniacmusicianyeah. but it could be full of newbies that have never used IRC and are used to AIM chat rooms or something. also, it has more potential for a lot of active members at one time06:24
maniacmusicianin the classroom, only the presenter talked, mainly, and a few odd people asked questions06:24
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tyerldafhey guys I just trying installing linux(unbunc), but it freezes up, ro something it says nautilus real small, and has 3 little boxes in a sqaure type box.07:29
tyerldaf I check for defects, and it said 1 checksums failed please reboot, so should I try to redownload it, and reburn it on cd again?07:29
tonyyarussoCheck the md5 of the iso before you burn, and burn at a low speed07:30
tyerldafhow can i check the md507:30
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about verifyiso - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi07:31
tonyyarussoman the bot's letting me down a lot lately07:31
ubotuTo mount an .iso image: sudo mount -o loop my.iso /some/mountpoint - bin/cue can be converted to iso with bchunk  .iso images of Ubuntu CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com Always verify the .iso before burning, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows07:31
tonyyarussothere we go07:31
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tonyyarussoMy my, what have we here?08:34
tonyyarussonalioth: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClassroomTranscripts#head-b787da88ea1f9d431c1649d8cfaac71824eb456308:34
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yasohow to reqest "unaffiliated" user clock.09:03
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jonoNOTICE! Today is Ubuntu Freshers Day - head over to #ubuntu-freshers to ask any questions you like about being part of the Ubuntu community!09:27
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dpreacherno one teaching in class?10:07
MarkoKaa Today is Ubuntu Freshers Day10:08
MarkoKaa #ubuntu-freshers10:08
dpreacherwhat do ubuntu freshers do on this day? get freshened up?10:08
dpreacherthe freshers channel is havin heavy volume discussion goin10:09
MarkoKaahttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/UbuntuFreshersDay for more info :)10:09
yasothanks dude10:09
MarkoKaano prob10:09
dpreacherhey that's nice!10:10
dpreacheri wish most rooms/channels keep the conference mode coz ppl joinin and leaving take up lot of log space and also screen space10:11
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dpreacheri mean the few people listed on the wiki page must be having a crazy load of queries to deal with...questions at all levels10:16
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jonoNOTICE! Today is Ubuntu Freshers Day - head over to #ubuntu-freshers to ask any questions you like about being part of the Ubuntu community!10:55
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jonoNOTICE! Today is Ubuntu Freshers Day - head over to #ubuntu-freshers to ask any questions you like about being part of the Ubuntu community!12:17
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shadeofgreywhat pray tell is this channel used for?12:19
Jonshadeofgrey: classes - see /topic12:20
jonoshadeofgrey, its used for Ubuntu classes12:20
shadeofgreylike what?12:20
Jonthere's a schedule in the topic which would serve as examples12:20
shadeofgreyare the classes offered here good for counting toward actual certification in ubuntyu?12:21
shadeofgreyARE there certs for ubuntu?12:21
jonoshadeofgrey, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek for the schedule this week12:21
jonoshadeofgrey, something we are working on12:21
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shadeofgreywell let me just say12:23
shadeofgreyive been using ubuntu a long time12:24
shadeofgreysince warty12:24
shadeofgrey'and i have tio say you have all come a long way since then12:24
shadeofgreyi make a great living converting windows users to ubuntu users12:24
emonkeyshadeofgrey, There's a LPI Certification for Ubuntu avalaible12:24
shadeofgreyand everybody is always so happy when they watch windows disintegrate into distant memory and ubuntu take its place12:25
shadeofgreyso far ive convcerted 75 soccer moms and 200 university students all at $125  each...  but that includes migrating all their old data12:25
shadeofgreydoes anybody here know when ubuntu will be multicore capable?12:26
emonkeyAFAIK it already with the SMP kernel possible12:27
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naliothshadeofgrey: Ubuntu has had SMP capability since warty12:29
shadeofgreywhere can i find info on putting ubuntu on macbookpro laptops12:29
shadeofgreyi want to run a dual boot environment12:29
shadeofgreyreally bad12:29
rushdywow shadeofgrey, thats pretty good going! :D12:30
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shadeofgreyrushdy, its like i always tell soccer moms...  friends dont let friends run windows12:36
shadeofgreyits either tiger or ubuntu...  anything less is so...  20th century12:36
rushdyhaha :D12:36
shadeofgreythough i must confess i lust after office 200712:37
shadeofgreyadmitting that publically is the first step toward a full recovery12:37
shadeofgreyits only because word really does kick ass12:37
shadeofgreybut i cant STAND internet exploder or Access .... or visual studio...  or winblows...  excel kicks ass though12:38
shadeofgreyand ii dont care what sgteve jobs says.,  keynote blows rancid wolverine nuts12:39
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PriceChildshadeofgrey: one of my house mates has been running office 2007 a few months.... then it suddenly decided it wasn't registered at 2 in the morning the night before a major essay hand in... I installed OOo on their machine and they've completely forgotten about MSO12:44
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Lesleywe are very early01:57
naliothactually, you need to visit #ubuntu-freshers01:58
nalioththey've been going for about 4 hours now01:58
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gregutihi all, when does it start?04:20
abattoir <jono> NOTICE! Today is Ubuntu Freshers Day - head over to #ubuntu-freshers to ask any questions you like about being part of the Ubuntu community!04:22
abattoirgreguti: no sessions here today04:22
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atoponcewhen will the next classroom sessions be held here?04:22
gregutif**k, where is the fresher day then?04:23
KenMikazeI'm a newbie here.04:23
abattoirgreguti: #ubuntu-freshers :)04:23
atoponceseems to me this channel is more than just for OpenWeek04:23
gregutigoddam it!04:23
gregutiThanks abattoir!04:23
abattoiratoponce: the New user network has classes here often, it is being used for the Open Week04:23
abattoiratoponce: regular Open Week classes resume tomorrow04:23
abattoir(depending on your TZ)04:24
KenMikazeI just have a question.04:24
abattoirhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek has the schedule04:24
abattoirKenMikaze: ask :)04:24
KenMikazeHow come, Kubuntu 6.06 doesn't have firefox installed on the Internet menu?04:24
abattoirKenMikaze: Kubuntu comes w/ Konqueror as the default web browser04:25
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KenMikazeok, so what do i have to do then?04:25
abattoirKenMikaze: you can install firefox either through Adept or by running 'sudo apt-get install firefox' in a terminal04:25
atoponcesudo aptitude install firefox04:25
KenMikazeok, thanks.04:25
abattoirKenMikaze: Try Konqueror, or get firefox if you want it04:25
KenMikazeit's ok.. i'll do it the hard way.04:26
atoponcekonqueror does have an advantage over firefox: it's acid2 compliant04:26
KenMikazeright now, I'm using windows just to download the linuxant driver for my internal modem.04:26
KenMikazethanks guys.04:26
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=== atoponce 's firefox. can't live without the extensions...
KenMikazeme too, I like firefox...04:28
KenMikazebtw, what's acid2?04:28
KenMikazelike i've said, I'm a newb, so please bear with me.04:28
atoponceit's a css level 2 tester.04:28
KenMikazeI got it... it's cool.04:32
KenMikazewell, at least I've got to try konqueror later.04:32
KenMikazeonce i finish the download.04:32
atoponceyou should see how IE renders Acid2. it's horrible04:33
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KenMikazewish I could, but my i.e.'s blocked by this wga thing.04:34
KenMikazechecking it out.04:34
KenMikazeby the way, atoponce, where are you from?04:35
atoponceopera, safari, konqueror all pass it. i think there are others too04:35
atoponcepor que?04:36
KenMikazebangkok here, but originally, from the p.i.04:36
KenMikazei'm from the philippines, but currently living here in bangkok.04:36
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atoponcefirefox 3 will pass the test. they'll be using the gecko 1.9 engine04:38
atoponcei'm looking forward to that04:38
KenMikazewhen's firefox 3 coming out?04:38
atoponcemay 2007 is the plan04:39
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graham_100just upgraded to ubuntu 6.10 frommmmmmmmmmmmm dapper as you can see i have a keyboarddddddddddd problem06:11
graham_100how do i fix this?06:11
hifirepeat rate too fast?06:12
graham_100iam not sure06:12
graham_100let            me look06:12
hifiwhen you push a button it starts to flood it immediately?06:12
hifino slight delay or is your buttons just "sticky"06:12
graham_100not all thhhhhhhhhhhe time just as you see ittttttttttttt now06:13
hifidont know then06:13
graham_100if i take off the key repeat when            pressed down should this fix?06:13
graham_100see whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat i mean with intermittttttttttttent problem?06:14
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graham_100i slowed down the speeeeeed of it still does it thouuuuuugh06:15
graham_100i wonder if turning off key repeat will fix?06:15
hifitry xset r off06:15
graham_100i think i fixed it turning key repeat off06:16
graham_100not looking as it's doing it anymore06:16
graham_100wireless card probs too :S06:17
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graham_100i know the card is recognised and i know it tells me that the driver is there06:17
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graham_100what do you do next as i am not too sure on that06:18
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geof1What happens now ?06:27
graham_100i think my wireless card is not working?!?!06:28
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LinuxBASeveas: ping06:34
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jribgraham_100: someone had that key repeat problem yesterday and he got linked to a bug in launchpad, no idea what it was but if you can't find it I'll grep the logs.06:42
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napels7+e napels707:49
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vyomanhi is there anybody left from the packaging team?09:20
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jribvyoman: you can always find them at #ubuntu-motu10:13
jribvyoman: you can check in #ubuntu-freshers as well today10:13
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PriceChildeveryone's in #ubuntu-freshers kishan11:12
kishanwhat is going on there11:12
kishann one is replying there11:13
PriceChildask a question11:15
PriceChildtoday is freshers day11:15
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robotgeekheh, just a bit too late i guess11:28
stalefriesrobotgeek: no, everyone is  in #ubuntu-freshers today11:31
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about freshers - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi11:31
stalefries!search freshers11:31
stalefriesoh well11:31
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