[12:47] <graham_100> i have no clue how to use some parts of ubuntu  can somebody help me??
[12:47] <graham_100> please
[12:47] <andrew> graham_100: #ubuntu
[12:48] <graham_100> andrew been in there not helping me
[12:48] <tonyyarusso> graham_100: Perhaps - what parts?  (#ubuntu is good for general stuff usually, but depending what you need maybe we can take it here)
[12:48] <graham_100> tonyyarusso i need to know how to use a second hard drive mainly on ubuntu
[12:49] <graham_100> installed formatted and partitioned but i cant do anything with it
[12:49] <tonyyarusso> graham_100: Is it mounted?
[12:49] <graham_100> it says so
[12:49] <tonyyarusso> Describe what your process is and what happens.
[12:49] <graham_100> i just checked and it is mounted definately
[12:50] <graham_100> i open the drive by double click
[12:50] <graham_100> and once in i can't creat save or do anything with it
[12:50] <graham_100> which i find strange
[12:50] <graham_100> it is partitioned as ext2
[12:51] <tonyyarusso> Okay, my first guess is it's a permissions issue.
[12:51] <tonyyarusso> It sounds like you don't have write permissions.
[12:51] <graham_100> oh is that fixable?
[12:51] <tonyyarusso> Definitely.
[12:51] <tonyyarusso> As long as we can make sure that's what's going on.
[12:51] <graham_100> ok how do i do that??
[12:51] <tonyyarusso> We can check in the GUI, but frankly it's easier on a command line - is that okay?
[12:51] <graham_100> i know some basics not that though lol
[12:52] <graham_100> i can do terminal
[12:52] <tonyyarusso> cool
[12:52] <tonyyarusso> 'ls -l /media/newdrive' , or whatever the path to the drive is.
[12:52] <graham_100> is the path to drive the hdb1??
[12:54] <tonyyarusso> Whereever it's mounted.
[12:54] <tonyyarusso> hdb1 is the device, you need the mounted path.
[12:55] <graham_100> tells me ls invalid option
[12:55] <tonyyarusso> It's l and in Luxemburg in both cases, by the way, not a one.
[12:56] <graham_100> mounted path would be computer:///??
[12:56] <graham_100> so hdbl??
[12:56] <graham_100> 37.3 GB Volume: hdb1 that is what it says it is
[12:57] <graham_100> sorry if i sound so thick
[12:58] <tonyyarusso> Did you mount it using a mount command, gui, or fstab?
[12:59] <graham_100> i think i did it with the right click optiion
[12:59] <graham_100> `right click`  `mount device`
[01:00] <tonyyarusso> Ah, okay.
[01:01] <tonyyarusso> Oh!
[01:01] <tonyyarusso> 'cat /etc/mtab'
[01:01] <tonyyarusso> I think that will tell us something useful.
[01:02] <graham_100> kelly@kelly-desktop:~$ cat /etc/mtab
[01:02] <graham_100> /dev/hda1 / ext3 rw,errors=remount-ro 0 0
[01:02] <graham_100> proc /proc proc rw 0 0
[01:02] <graham_100> /sys /sys sysfs rw 0 0
[01:02] <graham_100> varrun /var/run tmpfs rw 0 0
[01:02] <graham_100> varlock /var/lock tmpfs rw 0 0
[01:02] <graham_100> procbususb /proc/bus/usb usbfs rw 0 0
[01:02] <graham_100> udev /dev tmpfs rw 0 0
[01:02] <graham_100> devpts /dev/pts devpts rw,gid=5,mode=620 0 0
[01:02] <graham_100> devshm /dev/shm tmpfs rw 0 0
[01:02] <graham_100> lrm /lib/modules/2.6.15-27-386/volatile tmpfs rw 0 0
[01:02] <graham_100> /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1 ext2 rw 0 0
[01:02] <graham_100> sorry if i pasted to much
[01:03] <graham_100> it's that bit on the last line about second drive yes??
[01:03] <tonyyarusso> Correct.
[01:03] <tonyyarusso> So, 'ls -l /media/hdb1'
[01:04] <graham_100> kelly@kelly-desktop:~$ ls -l /media/hdb1
[01:04] <graham_100> total 48
[01:04] <graham_100> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 49152 2006-11-28 01:12 lost+found
[01:04] <graham_100> what is that telling me ?
[01:04] <graham_100> it has a file in there called lost+found
[01:05] <cafuego_> no, that's a directory
[01:06] <cafuego_> it should be empty
[01:06] <graham_100> lost+found is empty
[01:06] <tonyyarusso> Good
[01:07] <tonyyarusso> Oh hey, we actually need the parent of that don't we?
[01:07] <tonyyarusso> graham_100: 'ls -l /media'
[01:07] <tonyyarusso> My bad
[01:07] <maniacmusician> well it's safe to assume from that output that root owns the entire drive
[01:07] <cafuego_> lost+found is where damaged files are dumped by fsck, if the filesystem is damaged by an unclean unmount.
[01:07] <maniacmusician> because graham hasn't made any changes there yet
[01:07] <maniacmusician> so he needs to make himself the owner of /media/hdb1
[01:08] <graham_100> well the computer name is my g/f name  "kelly"
[01:08] <tonyyarusso> maniacmusician: Not necessarily the owner - just have at least +w set
[01:09] <maniacmusician> tonyyarusso: yeah true. I guess i'm just in the habit of doing that with my drives :)
[01:09] <tonyyarusso> graham_100: If I remember my mount syntax (debatable) you need to add 'user' to the "options" portion.
[01:09] <graham_100> oooh how do we do that bit?
[01:09] <tonyyarusso> graham_100: If you just want a one-time fix, you can use sudo with chown or chmod (your choice)
[01:09] <graham_100> is that straight forward way then?
[01:10] <maniacmusician> or if you prefer gui, you can do a "gksudo nautilus" and use nautilus to modify the permissions
[01:10] <tonyyarusso> graham_100: 'gksu gedit /etc/fstab'.  Find the line in there for this drive, and note the column headings - lloking for option.
[01:10] <tonyyarusso> graham_100: Change it from just defaults to defaults,user
[01:10] <tonyyarusso> (SOmeone correct me if I'm wrong)
[01:11] <maniacmusician> sounds okay.
[01:11] <tonyyarusso> I know there's also a "users" option, which I get confused with "user"
[01:11] <graham_100> i have fstab open now
[01:11] <tonyyarusso> good
[01:11] <tonyyarusso> See a line for this drive?
[01:12] <maniacmusician> Common for  all  types
[01:12] <graham_100> would that be it?
[01:12] <maniacmusician>        of  file  system  are  the options noauto (do not mount when "mount -a" is given, e.g., at boot time), user (allow a user to mount), and owner (allow device
[01:12] <maniacmusician>        owner to mount)
[01:13] <maniacmusician> *oops*
[01:13] <graham_100> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[01:13] <graham_100> #
[01:13] <graham_100> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[01:13] <graham_100> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[01:13] <graham_100> /dev/hda1       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[01:13] <graham_100> /dev/hdb1       /media/hdb1     ext2    defaults        0       2
[01:13] <graham_100> /dev/hda5       none            swap    sw              0       0
[01:13] <graham_100> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[01:13] <graham_100> is all that is there
[01:13] <tonyyarusso> Great
[01:13] <graham_100> is that good or bad??
[01:13] <tonyyarusso> /dev/hdb1       /media/hdb1     ext2    defaults        0       2 is the line in question
[01:14] <tonyyarusso> Good
[01:14] <graham_100> right i see that
[01:14] <tonyyarusso> Just make "defaults" "defaults,user"
[01:14] <tonyyarusso> Save, and exit
[01:14] <graham_100> now i have to change it right??
[01:14] <tonyyarusso> yep
[01:14] <graham_100> changed how do i save it?
[01:14] <tonyyarusso> Then unmount and remount the drive for the new settings to take effect, and you should be all set.
[01:15] <tonyyarusso> Did you open in gedit?
[01:15] <tonyyarusso> Big ol' save button.
[01:15] <tonyyarusso> In nano, Ctrl-O
[01:15] <graham_100> yeah i guess
[01:15] <graham_100> *fstab (/etc) - gedit is the header on window
[01:16] <tonyyarusso> righto
[01:16] <graham_100> so just ctrl-o now to save??
[01:16] <graham_100> :) think i am learning
[01:17] <tonyyarusso> That was for a different editor.
[01:17] <mdz> graham_100: cilck the icon with the word 'save' under it
[01:17] <mdz> click, even
[01:17] <tonyyarusso> Ctrl-S, or the big save button
[01:17] <graham_100> got it :)
[01:18] <graham_100> now unmount    remount to see if it works??
[01:18] <maniacmusician> a simple sudo mount -a will do the job
[01:18] <graham_100> but i just tried that and because it's me unable to unmount the drive lol
[01:19] <maniacmusician> "sudo mount -a"
[01:19] <graham_100> sudo mount -a didn't appear to do anything let me just check
[01:20] <maniacmusician> what it does is it remounts all the drives, and applies all changes made in the /etc/fstab file
[01:20] <maniacmusician> so it just applied the permission changes
[01:20] <maniacmusician> you should be able to write to the drive now
[01:20] <graham_100> nope made no difference how do i unmount now???
[01:20] <graham_100> for some reason i can't get it to do these things lol
[01:21] <graham_100> umount: only root can unmount /dev/hdb1 from /media/hdb1
[01:21] <tonyyarusso> Use sudo
[01:21] <graham_100> that is what it tells me
[01:21] <maniacmusician> sudo umount
[01:21] <maniacmusician> tonyyarusso: also, he was using unmount instead of umount
[01:21] <maniacmusician> err wait.
[01:21] <maniacmusician> he was using nautilus lol
[01:21] <tonyyarusso> That would do it too
[01:21] <graham_100> now sudo -a mount to remount?
[01:22] <tonyyarusso> sudo mount -a
[01:23] <graham_100> aargh didn't work ! how do you guys not get stressed with this??
[01:23] <graham_100> :) this is problem with using windows 15 years then going to linux i guess
[01:24] <graham_100> so where do i begin now?
[01:24] <maniacmusician> I'm guessing user was just the wrong option.
[01:24] <maniacmusician> what I would do (because it's easiest for me) is make yourself the owner of the whole drive.
[01:24] <graham_100> could i have done something wrong with the partition and format?
[01:25] <graham_100> how do i do that with the owner ??
[01:25] <maniacmusician> I'm not familiar with the command line way to do it
[01:26] <tonyyarusso> sudo chown graham:graham, if graham is your user name
[01:26] <tonyyarusso> Actually, make it chown -R
[01:26] <maniacmusician> and add the location of the drive, too
[01:26] <tonyyarusso> sudo chown -R graham:graham /media/hdb1
[01:26] <maniacmusician> and actually, the username is kelly
[01:26] <tonyyarusso> right
[01:27] <maniacmusician> so sudo chown -R kelly:kelly /media/hdb1
[01:27] <graham_100> ok so kelly being the user name of pc      sudo chown -R kelly:kelly/media/hdb1??
[01:27] <Corbeaux> uu need a space there somewhere
[01:27] <maniacmusician> make sure you leave a space between kelly and the path to the file
[01:28] <maniacmusician> path to the drive*
[01:29] <graham_100> file owner is still root
[01:29] <graham_100> can't seem to do this
[01:29] <graham_100> isn't there another way to do this?
[01:29] <tonyyarusso> Pastebin your terminal
[01:29] <Corbeaux> is the extra drive empty?
[01:30] <graham_100> the extra drive is empty but formatted
[01:30] <Corbeaux> the chown command should have worked
[01:30] <graham_100> umount: only root can unmount /dev/hdb1 from /media/hdb1
[01:30] <tonyyarusso> That's what sudo is for
[01:30] <Corbeaux> you need to put sudo in front your command to do it as root
[01:31] <graham_100> kelly@kelly-desktop:~$ sudo chown -R kelly /media/hdb1
[01:31] <graham_100> kelly@kelly-desktop:~$ umount: only root can unmount /dev/hdb1 from /media/hdb1umount: only root can unmount /dev/hdb1 from /media/hdb1
[01:31] <Corbeaux> kinda like in windows where it asks you for administrator password to do some things, in linux use sudo
[01:31] <graham_100> that is my terminal view at the moment
[01:32] <maniacmusician> why do you have that pasted into the terminal?
[01:32] <Corbeaux> do this: cat /etc/fstab
[01:32] <Corbeaux> paste the results here
[01:32] <maniacmusician> Corbeaux: I think he just did the chown command wrong
[01:32] <tonyyarusso> And it really should be kelly:kelly, not just one kelly
[01:33] <graham_100> kelly@kelly-desktop:~$ cat /etc/fstab
[01:33] <graham_100> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[01:33] <graham_100> #
[01:33] <graham_100> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[01:33] <graham_100> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[01:33] <graham_100> /dev/hda1       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[01:33] <graham_100> /dev/hdb1       /media/hdb1     ext2    defaults,user        0       2
[01:33] <graham_100> /dev/hda5       none            swap    sw              0       0
[01:33] <graham_100> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[01:33] <graham_100> i just spotted i have an error on main drive with the o/s on it
[01:34] <tonyyarusso> What's that?
[01:36] <maniacmusician> alright, i'm outta here. graham_100: the command is "sudo chown -R kelly:kelly /media/hdb1" just copy and paste it into the terminal. ciao, everyone
[01:37] <tonyyarusso> By maniacmusician
[01:37] <tonyyarusso> *bye
[01:37] <Corbeaux> l8
[01:37] <graham_100> *bye*
[01:37] <graham_100> that didn't do anything that line of command just then
[01:37] <Corbeaux> you copied and pasted it?
[01:38] <Corbeaux> sudo chown -R kelly:kelly /media/hdb1
[01:39] <tonyyarusso> Oh!
[01:39] <Corbeaux> then do : ls -l /media/hdb*
[01:39] <tonyyarusso> graham_100: "didn't do anything" - in Linux, no output means it works.  It assumes it will work, and tells you if it doesn't, unlike Windows, which assumes it will fail and gets all excited when it can do something.
[01:40] <Corbeaux> lol
[01:41] <Corbeaux> is xgl installed as the default desktop in the new ubuntu?
[01:41] <kh> 1
[01:41] <tonyyarusso> Corbeaux: aiglx, not xgl - still under discussion
[01:41] <tonyyarusso> kh: 2
[01:42] <Corbeaux> k
[01:43] <Corbeaux> hey graham
[01:43] <graham_100> it worked :)
[01:43] <Corbeaux> ls -l /media/hdb*
[01:43] <Corbeaux> ah ok
[01:43] <graham_100> thankyou all whom helped with that problem
[01:43] <Corbeaux> cool :)
[01:43] <tonyyarusso> awesome
[01:46] <graham_100> anyone know anything on wireless cards?
[01:47] <graham_100> i know i need ndiswrapper and thats as far as i have been
[01:48] <graham_100> *try to write down what i learn*
[01:48] <graham_100> :)
[01:49] <Corbeaux> sorry, never used wireless. Don't even have ubuntu installed, just here lurking for the first time since someone said it was cool somewhere
[01:49] <tonyyarusso> I can't help you with ndiswrapper, but I can recommend creating a "stuff I learned" folder and copying all of these sorts of conversations into it.
[01:49] <tonyyarusso> Corbeaux: haha!
[01:49] <tonyyarusso> That amuses me for some reason
[01:49] <Corbeaux> it was on a LUG list :p
[01:52] <Corbeaux> will ubuntu's gui run ok in a virtual machine? I saw a video of the XGL desktop on youtube and got renewed interest in it. Which is in itself a paradox since initially, i hated it due to it's lack of a fullscreen text mode
[01:52] <graham_100> can you get belkin cards to work on ubuntu??  mine is recognised but says "belkin unknown 700e"
[01:53] <maniacmusician> graham_100:  i have some experience with ndiswrapper. it's a pain in the ass though.
[01:53] <maniacmusician> the first thing I'd recommend is using these two pages http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Installation and http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/List  as they helped me a lot. But a new user like you may find himself in over his head with that
[01:54] <graham_100> i think that may be the case
[01:55] <maniacmusician> heh I guess I could walk you through it. are you trying to install it right now?
[01:55] <graham_100> i have used ndiswrapper before but it caused problems on startup, just got stuck at configuring hardware and i had to re-install
[01:55] <graham_100> i am wanting to get it working asap yeah :)
[01:57] <maniacmusician> well first you start with the command "lspci". Find the line that your card is on, and copy&paste the number in front of it.
[01:58] <graham_100> 0000:00:0b.0 Network controller: RaLink: Unknown device 0301
[01:58] <graham_100> i think that is it?
[02:00] <maniacmusician> you said the card was belkin...that looks like the manufacturer is RaLink
[02:00] <maniacmusician> Just post the entire output.
[02:01] <graham_100> it is a belkin wireless g desktop f5d7000uk ver 6000uk
[02:01] <Corbeaux> lspci |grep elkin
[02:01] <graham_100> kelly@kelly-desktop:~$ lspci
[02:01] <graham_100> 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  730 Host (rev 02)
[02:01] <graham_100> 0000:00:00.1 IDE interface: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  5513 [IDE]  (rev d0)0000:00:01.0 ISA bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  SiS85C503/5513 (LPC Bridge)
[02:01] <graham_100> 0000:00:01.1 Ethernet controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  SiS900 PCI Fast Ethernet (rev 82)
[02:01] <graham_100> 0000:00:01.2 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  USB 1.0 Controller (rev 07)
[02:01] <graham_100> 0000:00:01.3 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  USB 1.0 Controller (rev 07)
[02:01] <graham_100> 0000:00:01.4 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  SiS PCI Audio Accelerator (rev 02)
[02:01] <graham_100> 0000:00:02.0 PCI bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  Virtual PCI-to-PCI bridge (AGP)
[02:01] <graham_100> 0000:00:0b.0 Network controller: RaLink: Unknown device 0301
[02:01] <graham_100> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  630/730 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter (rev 31)
[02:01] <Corbeaux> belkin card with ralink chipset?
[02:02] <maniacmusician> must be
[02:02] <graham_100> that is what i am thinking
[02:02] <graham_100> i did something earlier and is said belkin unknown device 700e
[02:02] <maniacmusician> graham_100:  now do a "lspci -n". copy and paste the line with "0000:00:0b.0" in front of it
[02:04] <graham_100> 0000:00:0b.0 0280: 1814:0301
[02:05] <graham_100> does that say what chipset it has?
[02:06] <maniacmusician> Card: Linksys #[WMP54G v4.1] , 54mbps -- [link here|List#WMP54G v4.1] , Chipset: Ralink RT61
[02:06] <maniacmusician> the chipset part is all that matters.
[02:07] <graham_100> so i have a lynksys card in principle?
[02:07] <maniacmusician> you have a Ralink chipset. Belkin just buys them from RaLink and uses them in its cards
[02:08] <maniacmusician> it also uses broadcom chipsets a lot.
[02:08] <graham_100> ah i see so i should be able to get it to work then on this basis?
[02:08] <maniacmusician> well I'm trying to find the driver. It says that it's provided on the RaLink website.
[02:08] <Corbeaux> just a note graham, most hardware is created by just a few manufacturers then rebranded to hell and back by others so you will probably see this again with a belkin card that somehow gets id'ed as linksys. The chipset is all that matters and in this case, it seems to be ralink
[02:09] <graham_100> so i need to get ndiswrapper again and install apropriate ralink driver??
[02:11] <graham_100> if i use the ralink rt61 driver will it work?
[02:11] <maniacmusician> yes, you have to have ndiswrapper installed. "sudo aptitude install ndiswrapper-utils"
[02:11] <maniacmusician> yes it should. Trying to find it right now though.
[02:13] <graham_100> some reason i dont see ndiswrapper in my menus this time
[02:13] <maniacmusician> it's a command line app, so you shouldn't. to get a gui for it, I think you'd install ndiswrapper-gtk
[02:13] <maniacmusician> but actually
[02:14] <maniacmusician> it seems that there are actually linux drivers for this chipset!
[02:14] <maniacmusician> http://www.ralinktech.com/supp-1.htm
[02:14] <almeida> #kde
[02:14] <graham_100> cool
[02:14] <graham_100> i have problem on my system with wine now hang on
[02:14] <maniacmusician> but they will require compiling and that's something I'm not very experienced with. should probably get on the forums if you need help with it
[02:15] <maniacmusician> unless Corbeaux feels like doing it (being from a non-ubuntu distro, he's probably more used to compiling)
[02:16] <maniacmusician> I can tell you however that you will need to have your kernel headers installed and the correct gcc
[02:16] <graham_100> now that is where i will be totaly lost
[02:17] <maniacmusician> :) yes, it's complicated. I recommend getting on to http://ubuntuforums.org and starting a thread in the general help section
[02:18] <maniacmusician> as I said, your drivers are located at http://www.ralinktech.com/supp-1.htm and you have the RT61 chipset. you need to have your kernel headers and the proper version of gcc installed
[02:20] <graham_100> well at least we have an idea of what the chipset is on the card and i have a loation of the drivers
[02:21] <maniacmusician> yes. there is also a readme file, but that'll be over your head to, its very technical
[02:22] <maniacmusician> I just downloaded the driver, and it also comes with a WPA supplicant, so that's good news for you
[02:22] <graham_100> i have noticed me being single track minded with windows has made linux difficult to learn for me
[02:22] <maniacmusician> yeah, you'll notice that a lot in the coming months if you decide to continue with linux
[02:22] <graham_100> what is a wpa suplicant?
[02:23] <maniacmusician> it's an extra thing that allows you to use WPA encryption on your card. This often doesn't work for people, but your driver supports it, so it's a big plus
[02:23] <graham_100> deffinately going to keep linux it's loads more stable than windows that i have noticed
[02:23] <graham_100> i guess it's a good card i have then
[02:24] <graham_100> :)
[02:24] <maniacmusician> but my advice on getting comfortable with linux is to try and use the command line as much as possible, as it forces you to learn faster. Also, whenever people tell you to run commands or do something, make sure you ask questions about what you're doing, so that you understand it, and what's actually going on with your system as you do it.
[02:25] <maniacmusician> the forums that I mentioned are an excellent place for getting help and learning stuff
[02:25] <graham_100> that's a thing i havn't been doing, i do write things down as much as i can though
[02:25] <graham_100> maybe someday i will help others like me
[02:26] <maniacmusician> yeah, that's good. You'll find that the more common commands, you'll just memorize them, because of how often you use them
[02:26] <maniacmusician> Oh, I'm sure you will. I've only been using linux for 4 or 5 months
[02:26] <maniacmusician> (I tried it last year for a bit, but it was too hard, and I gave it up, went back to windows. Then this year, came back, stuck with it, and got rid of my windows partition too)
[02:28] <graham_100> i jumped in the deep end got fed up with g/f loosing all her work with windows crashing and got rid all together
[02:28] <graham_100> lol
[02:28] <maniacmusician> haha great, it will force you to learn a lot faster.
[02:28] <graham_100> definately g/f is learning it all faster than me lol
[02:32] <maniacmusician> well thats good
[02:35] <Corbeaux> girls are usually more intelligent than us guys
[02:35] <Corbeaux> or they argue until we say so
[02:36] <Corbeaux> i'm a debian guy but forced to use redhat in work :(
[02:38] <maniacmusician> ah I see. I don't really like redhat myself. dont see much advantage to them
[02:38] <maniacmusician> companies just use it because of the reputation it's built up.
[02:40] <Corbeaux> it's good to have someone to blame
[02:41] <Corbeaux> or that's the logic they gave me when i kicked a fuss about hem not using debian the first time
[02:42] <maniacmusician> haha yeah that too
[02:42] <maniacmusician> Well, Ubuntu offers corporate-level support from Canonical, so maybe that's a more viable solution for companies in the future
[02:43] <Corbeaux> in the future yes
[02:43] <Corbeaux> i saw on the website a few months ago that they are even offering certification in ubuntu now
[02:43] <Corbeaux> I think that's an awesome idea
[02:45] <maniacmusician> yeah. The only problem is that it has to catch on. Don't know if that will ever happen
[02:46] <Corbeaux> I try to convert all my friends to ubuntu but it's hard to give them support if you don't actually use it yourself sometimes, especially when they have questions about the GUI. I guess i can tell them to come here in the future
[02:46] <Corbeaux> lots of really patient people here :p
[02:48] <maniacmusician> hehe yeah. I'd actually recommend the forums as well. It's not as fast, but there's a lot of cool people there as well
[02:48] <maniacmusician> http://ubuntuforums.org
[02:49] <Corbeaux> something else that impressed me with ubuntu was it's one step lampp setup, well it was intended at the time, never checked if they actually did it
[02:50] <Corbeaux> lampp used to take up to a full day the first time i tried
[02:50] <maniacmusician> yup, that has been one of the priorities of the developers
[02:51] <maniacmusician> and last I heard, it was going great
[02:51] <Corbeaux> so they did it then?
[02:51] <maniacmusician> well I don't know about one step
[02:51] <maniacmusician> but I've seen how-to's for it on the forum, and they seemed pretty easy to follow
[02:51] <Corbeaux> :)
[02:52] <Corbeaux> i was thinking they would bring it down to apt-get install lamp
[02:53] <maniacmusician> lol, maybe by 7.04
[02:53] <maniacmusician> it's really pretty amazing how fast development is going
[02:54] <Corbeaux> agreed!
[03:27] <kishan> hi
[03:28] <kishan> any one teaching
[03:33] <engla> I think it's pause until tomorrow right now
[03:33] <engla> whatever that means
[03:34] <engla> but it seems classes are mostly during the european day
[03:34] <nalioth> means: "all times are in UTC"
[03:34] <nalioth> yep
[03:34] <engla> (I don't mind I'm CET)
[03:35] <elkbuntu> its a pause, yes. however there's #ubuntu-freshers which iirc is for general questions. there's not many in there now, but hopefully this will improve as friday reaches more people
[03:38] <tonyyarusso> Yeah, I was looking for a clarification on that - why the separate channel for Friday's festivities compared to the rest of the week?
[03:39] <nalioth> yes, that is a good question
[03:39] <nalioth> i see much confusion ahead
[03:39] <tonyyarusso> Starting with me :)
[03:39] <tonyyarusso> Is something else going on here in the meantime, or?
[03:40] <maniacmusician> at least there will be people in here to redirect everyone to #ubuntu-freshers
[03:40] <maniacmusician> no, nothing going on here
[03:42] <tonyyarusso> Weird
[03:47] <elkbuntu> you'd have to ask jono as to the reasoning. im sure somewhere in that british brain of his there's method to the madness
[03:47] <tonyyarusso> British...method...?
[03:48] <maniacmusician> haha
[03:49] <engla> well
[03:49] <engla> if this is a classroom and -freshers is not
[03:49] <engla> then it makes sense
[03:49] <engla> I assume you can speak more freely in -freshers
[03:51] <elkbuntu> engla, there's #ubuntu-classroom-chat as well. why not do the freshers thing there?
[04:09] <nalioth> confusion confusion
[04:10] <tonyyarusso>  /join #ubuntu-confusion ;)
[04:11] <effie_jayx> confusion?
[04:11] <effie_jayx> is there such channel ?
[04:11] <effie_jayx> nalioth, LOL
[04:22] <jrib> is this room safe to bring in someone to help at the moment?
[04:22] <jrib> I fear tonyyarusso may scare them away
[04:22] <tonyyarusso> jrib: All safe now!
[04:23] <Spiceydog> kk
[04:23] <jrib> great
[04:23] <jrib> Spiceydog: alright, you have https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine opened up?
[04:24] <Spiceydog> yep
[04:24] <jrib> ok, well it says "For help on adding repositories, see the Repositories page" which is a link to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories
[04:25] <jrib> that page will give you a good understanding of how repositories work
[04:25] <Spiceydog> ok
[04:25] <jrib> it goes on to say that you want to add the following repository:
[04:25] <jrib> deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt edgy main
[04:25] <Spiceydog> where does it say that?
[04:26] <jrib> [WWW]  WineHQ provides the newest versions of Wine packaged for Ubuntu. To use these, you need to add the WineHQ repository and then install Wine with Synaptic. For help on adding repositories, see the Repositories page.
[04:26] <jrib>    1.
[04:26] <jrib>       Add the repository:
[04:26] <jrib>           *
[04:26] <jrib>             For Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft): Add the following repository deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt edgy main
[04:26] <Spiceydog> ok
[04:27] <jrib> cool, do you understand how to do that?
[04:28] <Spiceydog> well.. when i type:  deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt edgy main into the terminal i get this: bash: deb: command not found
[04:28] <jrib> k, that's not the right approach.  Open up your sources.list.  'gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list'
[04:28] <Spiceydog> ok open
[04:29] <jrib> ok pick any line that starts with "deb http..." and paste it here for us to look at
[04:29] <Spiceydog> got it
[04:29] <Spiceydog> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted
[04:30] <jrib> ok does that look similar to    deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt edgy main ?  (yes)
[04:30] <Spiceydog> lol yah
[04:30] <jrib> so that line is just giving us a new deb line to add to your sources.list
[04:30] <Spiceydog> ok
[04:30] <jrib> so at the bottom of the file in your editor, just paste:  deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt edgy main
[04:31] <jrib> on its own line
[04:31] <Spiceydog> yep
[04:31] <Spiceydog> got it
[04:31] <jrib> you can do this through the gui as well, I encourage you to read through https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories
[04:31] <jrib> Spiceydog: ok save the file and exit
[04:31] <Spiceydog> done
[04:31] <Spiceydog> now u want me to type: sudo apt-get update
[04:31] <Spiceydog> ?
[04:32] <jrib> now any time you manually edit sources.list, you have to tell apt-get to update the package list.  Right, apt-get update
[04:32] <Spiceydog> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[04:32] <Spiceydog> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[04:33] <jrib> sudo apt-get update    you probably skipped the sudo because I didn't say, sorry about that
[04:33] <Spiceydog> ok its working
[04:33] <Spiceydog> hmm
[04:33] <jrib> ok, so now your apt-get will look for packages in the new repository you just added
[04:33] <Spiceydog> well it just did a hole buncha things... but then ended with those 'Could not open lock file...' things..
[04:34] <jrib> try 'sudo apt-get install wine', it should prompt you to install the new version
[04:34] <Spiceydog> except..
[04:34] <jrib> hmm
[04:34] <Spiceydog> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[04:34] <jrib> do you have synaptic open maybe?
[04:34] <Spiceydog> yep
[04:34] <Spiceydog> that was it
[04:34] <Spiceydog> let me redue it
[04:34] <Spiceydog> alright it worked that time
[04:34] <jrib> yeah, synaptic and apt-get are just different ways to do the same thing.  They use the same database so you can only use one at a time
[04:35] <jrib> try 'sudo apt-get install wine', it should prompt you to install the new version
[04:35] <Spiceydog> sudo apt-get install wine now?
[04:35] <Spiceydog> hmm
[04:35] <Spiceydog> well
[04:35] <jrib> wait
[04:35] <jrib> you aren't using edgy
[04:35] <Spiceydog> lol great
[04:36] <jrib> so where are you now, did it install?
[04:36] <Spiceydog> no.. it said this: talled
[04:36] <Spiceydog>         Depends: libxml2 (>= 2.6.26) but 2.6.24.dfsg-1ubuntu1 is to be installed        Depends: libxslt1.1 (>= 1.1.17) but 1.1.15-1ubuntu1 is to be installed
[04:36] <Spiceydog> E: Broken packages
[04:36] <jrib> k
[04:36] <jrib> go back and edit your sources.list
[04:37] <jrib> make it say dapper instead of edgy on that last line
[04:37] <Spiceydog> ok wut was it that i type to get that/
[04:37] <jrib> gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:37] <Spiceydog> kk
[04:38] <Spiceydog> hey shud it say: dapper-security instead of just dapper.. since the other 1 did?
[04:38] <jrib> nope, that's good
[04:39] <Spiceydog> shud i do this again: sudo apt-get update
[04:39] <jrib> right, every time you edit sources.list you should do that
[04:39] <Spiceydog> alright. now ill do the install thing
[04:40] <jrib> this was a good way for you to learn a valuable lesson though, don't mix packages from other distributions or releases
[04:40] <jrib> yep, go ahead and install
[04:40] <Spiceydog> alright it appears to be working now
[04:40] <Spiceydog> omg... slow internet.. 39kbps..
[04:40] <jrib> great, did everything make sense?  Any questions?
[04:41] <Spiceydog> yah made alotta since! thanks for all ur help.
[04:41] <jrib> np
[04:42] <effie_jayx> what good gmas run on wine?
[04:42] <Spiceydog> world of warcraft
[04:43] <Spiceydog> hey does Counter-Strike run on it?
[04:43] <Spiceydog> i got a special cracked version of counter-strike..
[04:43] <jrib> Spiceydog: http://appdb.winehq.org/
[05:45] <anurag> exit
[05:45] <anurag> exit
[05:45] <anurag> quit
[05:45] <anurag> exit
[05:48] <Zbyshek> finally
[05:49] <maniacmusician> lol
[05:49] <towsonu2003> hehehehehe
[05:49] <towsonu2003> I guess s/he was sing a cli irc client?
[05:49] <towsonu2003> sing=using
[05:51] <stalefries> perhaps, although you can use /exit on gui ones too
[05:57] <yaso> Is any indians out there !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:58] <Zbyshek> what?
[06:00] <poningru> whatup?
[06:00] <yaso> whatsup?
[06:00] <poningru> err -?
[06:00] <poningru> what bhasha?
[06:00] <poningru> err language
[06:01] <tonyyarusso> What the heck poningru ?
[06:02] <poningru> blargh?
[06:02] <poningru> sorry
[06:03] <tonyyarusso> What are you talking about?
[06:03] <Zbyshek> UBUNTU!
[06:04] <poningru> tonyyarusso: yaso asked who here is an indian
[06:04] <poningru> I said I am
[06:04] <tonyyarusso> ah
[06:04] <yaso> ah, thanks
[06:04] <yaso> stupid indians geeks :@
[06:04] <yaso> lol
[06:06] <yaso> sorry, how do i connect BSNL, TATA using Ubuntu
[06:06] <yaso> Do i need pppoe dialer or something ?
[06:10] <abattoir> yaso: try 'sudo pppoeconf'
[06:10] <abattoir> that is of course, if it is PPPoE
[06:10] <abattoir> try #ubuntu for support questions
[06:10] <abattoir> this channel might not be very active
[06:11] <yaso> abattoir, well, I can't config thought. nyway i found something intresting
[06:11] <yaso> abattoir, thanks
[06:11] <abattoir> no problem
[06:17] <tonyyarusso> Does anyone really understand what Jono has in mind for tomorrow?
[06:18] <maniacmusician> I think it's just time when people that are not yet using ubuntu, thinking about using it, or really new to it can come and ask some general questions, get tips on how to get a better experience out of it, etc
[06:18] <tonyyarusso> Who's giving the answers?  Anybody who's been around for a bit?
[06:19] <tonyyarusso> Seems a tad free-for-all-ish.  Could be interesting.
[06:20] <maniacmusician> I think just normal community members
[06:20] <maniacmusician> are giving answers
[06:20] <tonyyarusso> Could be cool
[06:21] <maniacmusician> and yes it does seem free-for-all-ish. I'm hoping it'll be good, as long as we get good community turnout
[06:21] <maniacmusician> of course, if we don't get much fresher turnout, that'll be pointless lol
[06:21] <tonyyarusso> I'm also a little intrigued that with the free-for-all he still seems to have himself handling keeping order in the channel on his own.
[06:22] <maniacmusician> lol hopefully there won't be much need of order-keeping
[06:23] <tonyyarusso> If it's anything like the rest of the week it'll be fine.
[06:24] <maniacmusician> yeah. but it could be full of newbies that have never used IRC and are used to AIM chat rooms or something. also, it has more potential for a lot of active members at one time
[06:24] <maniacmusician> in the classroom, only the presenter talked, mainly, and a few odd people asked questions
[06:24] <tonyyarusso> Yeah
[07:29] <tyerldaf> hey guys I just trying installing linux(unbunc), but it freezes up, ro something it says nautilus real small, and has 3 little boxes in a sqaure type box.
[07:29] <tyerldaf>  I check for defects, and it said 1 checksums failed please reboot, so should I try to redownload it, and reburn it on cd again?
[07:30] <tonyyarusso> Yeah.
[07:30] <tonyyarusso> Check the md5 of the iso before you burn, and burn at a low speed
[07:30] <tyerldaf> okay
[07:30] <tyerldaf> how can i check the md5
[07:30] <Zbyshek> md5sum
[07:31] <tonyyarusso> !verifyiso
[07:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about verifyiso - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:31] <tonyyarusso> man the bot's letting me down a lot lately
[07:31] <tonyyarusso> !verify
[07:31] <tonyyarusso> ?
[07:31] <ubotu> To mount an .iso image: sudo mount -o loop my.iso /some/mountpoint - bin/cue can be converted to iso with bchunk  .iso images of Ubuntu CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com Always verify the .iso before burning, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[07:31] <tonyyarusso> there we go
[08:34] <tonyyarusso> My my, what have we here?
[08:34] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClassroomTranscripts#head-b787da88ea1f9d431c1649d8cfaac71824eb4563
[09:03] <yaso> how to reqest "unaffiliated" user clock.
[09:14] <yaso> nvm
[09:27] <jono> NOTICE! Today is Ubuntu Freshers Day - head over to #ubuntu-freshers to ask any questions you like about being part of the Ubuntu community!
[10:07] <dpreacher> no one teaching in class?
[10:08] <MarkoKaa>  Today is Ubuntu Freshers Day
[10:08] <MarkoKaa>  #ubuntu-freshers
[10:08] <dpreacher> what do ubuntu freshers do on this day? get freshened up?
[10:09] <dpreacher> the freshers channel is havin heavy volume discussion goin
[10:09] <MarkoKaa> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/UbuntuFreshersDay for more info :)
[10:09] <yaso> thanks dude
[10:09] <MarkoKaa> no prob
[10:10] <dpreacher> hey that's nice!
[10:11] <dpreacher> i wish most rooms/channels keep the conference mode coz ppl joinin and leaving take up lot of log space and also screen space
[10:12] <MarkoKaa> :)
[10:16] <dpreacher> i mean the few people listed on the wiki page must be having a crazy load of queries to deal with...questions at all levels
[10:55] <jono> NOTICE! Today is Ubuntu Freshers Day - head over to #ubuntu-freshers to ask any questions you like about being part of the Ubuntu community!
[12:17] <jono> NOTICE! Today is Ubuntu Freshers Day - head over to #ubuntu-freshers to ask any questions you like about being part of the Ubuntu community!
[12:19] <shadeofgrey> what pray tell is this channel used for?
[12:20] <Jon> shadeofgrey: classes - see /topic
[12:20] <jono> shadeofgrey, its used for Ubuntu classes
[12:20] <shadeofgrey> like what?
[12:20] <Jon> there's a schedule in the topic which would serve as examples
[12:21] <shadeofgrey> are the classes offered here good for counting toward actual certification in ubuntyu?
[12:21] <shadeofgrey> ARE there certs for ubuntu?
[12:21] <jono> shadeofgrey, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek for the schedule this week
[12:21] <jono> shadeofgrey, something we are working on
[12:23] <shadeofgrey> well let me just say
[12:24] <shadeofgrey> ive been using ubuntu a long time
[12:24] <shadeofgrey> since warty
[12:24] <shadeofgrey> 'and i have tio say you have all come a long way since then
[12:24] <shadeofgrey> i make a great living converting windows users to ubuntu users
[12:24] <emonkey> shadeofgrey, There's a LPI Certification for Ubuntu avalaible
[12:25] <shadeofgrey> and everybody is always so happy when they watch windows disintegrate into distant memory and ubuntu take its place
[12:25] <shadeofgrey> so far ive convcerted 75 soccer moms and 200 university students all at $125  each...  but that includes migrating all their old data
[12:26] <shadeofgrey> does anybody here know when ubuntu will be multicore capable?
[12:26] <emonkey> http://www.mail-archive.com/lpi-announce@lpi.org/msg00111.html
[12:27] <emonkey> AFAIK it already with the SMP kernel possible
[12:29] <nalioth> shadeofgrey: Ubuntu has had SMP capability since warty
[12:29] <shadeofgrey> okjay
[12:29] <shadeofgrey> where can i find info on putting ubuntu on macbookpro laptops
[12:29] <shadeofgrey> i want to run a dual boot environment
[12:29] <shadeofgrey> really bad
[12:30] <rushdy> wow shadeofgrey, thats pretty good going! :D
[12:36] <shadeofgrey> rushdy, its like i always tell soccer moms...  friends dont let friends run windows
[12:36] <shadeofgrey> its either tiger or ubuntu...  anything less is so...  20th century
[12:36] <rushdy> haha :D
[12:37] <shadeofgrey> though i must confess i lust after office 2007
[12:37] <shadeofgrey> admitting that publically is the first step toward a full recovery
[12:37] <rushdy> :)
[12:37] <shadeofgrey> its only because word really does kick ass
[12:38] <shadeofgrey> but i cant STAND internet exploder or Access .... or visual studio...  or winblows...  excel kicks ass though
[12:39] <shadeofgrey> and ii dont care what sgteve jobs says.,  keynote blows rancid wolverine nuts
[12:44] <PriceChild> shadeofgrey: one of my house mates has been running office 2007 a few months.... then it suddenly decided it wasn't registered at 2 in the morning the night before a major essay hand in... I installed OOo on their machine and they've completely forgotten about MSO
[01:37] <Ramunas> hello
[01:38] <apokryphos> hi
[01:56] <Lesley> heellooo!
[01:57] <nalioth> howdy
[01:57] <Lesley> we are very early
[01:58] <nalioth> actually, you need to visit #ubuntu-freshers
[01:58] <nalioth> they've been going for about 4 hours now
[01:58] <Lesley> oh
[01:58] <Lesley> bye
[04:20] <greguti> hi all, when does it start?
[04:22] <abattoir>  <jono> NOTICE! Today is Ubuntu Freshers Day - head over to #ubuntu-freshers to ask any questions you like about being part of the Ubuntu community!
[04:22] <abattoir> greguti: no sessions here today
[04:22] <atoponce> when will the next classroom sessions be held here?
[04:22] <KenMikaze> hello
[04:23] <greguti> f**k, where is the fresher day then?
[04:23] <KenMikaze> I'm a newbie here.
[04:23] <abattoir> greguti: #ubuntu-freshers :)
[04:23] <atoponce> seems to me this channel is more than just for OpenWeek
[04:23] <greguti> goddam it!
[04:23] <greguti> Thanks abattoir!
[04:23] <abattoir> atoponce: the New user network has classes here often, it is being used for the Open Week
[04:23] <abattoir> atoponce: regular Open Week classes resume tomorrow
[04:24] <abattoir> (depending on your TZ)
[04:24] <KenMikaze> I just have a question.
[04:24] <abattoir> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek has the schedule
[04:24] <abattoir> KenMikaze: ask :)
[04:24] <KenMikaze> How come, Kubuntu 6.06 doesn't have firefox installed on the Internet menu?
[04:25] <abattoir> KenMikaze: Kubuntu comes w/ Konqueror as the default web browser
[04:25] <KenMikaze> ok, so what do i have to do then?
[04:25] <abattoir> KenMikaze: you can install firefox either through Adept or by running 'sudo apt-get install firefox' in a terminal
[04:25] <atoponce> sudo aptitude install firefox
[04:25] <KenMikaze> ok, thanks.
[04:25] <abattoir> KenMikaze: Try Konqueror, or get firefox if you want it
[04:26] <KenMikaze> it's ok.. i'll do it the hard way.
[04:26] <atoponce> konqueror does have an advantage over firefox: it's acid2 compliant
[04:26] <KenMikaze> right now, I'm using windows just to download the linuxant driver for my internal modem.
[04:26] <KenMikaze> thanks guys.
[04:28] <KenMikaze> me too, I like firefox...
[04:28] <KenMikaze> btw, what's acid2?
[04:28] <KenMikaze> like i've said, I'm a newb, so please bear with me.
[04:28] <atoponce> http://www.webstandards.org/action/acid2/
[04:28] <atoponce> it's a css level 2 tester.
[04:32] <KenMikaze> I got it... it's cool.
[04:32] <KenMikaze> well, at least I've got to try konqueror later.
[04:32] <KenMikaze> once i finish the download.
[04:33] <atoponce> you should see how IE renders Acid2. it's horrible
[04:34] <KenMikaze> wish I could, but my i.e.'s blocked by this wga thing.
[04:34] <atoponce> http://level.s69.xrea.com/mozilla/image2/acid2/ie6.png
[04:34] <KenMikaze> checking it out.
[04:34] <atoponce> http://level.s69.xrea.com/mozilla/image2/acid2/ie7b2p.png
[04:35] <KenMikaze> by the way, atoponce, where are you from?
[04:35] <atoponce> opera, safari, konqueror all pass it. i think there are others too
[04:35] <atoponce> utah/usa
[04:36] <atoponce> por que?
[04:36] <KenMikaze> bangkok here, but originally, from the p.i.
[04:36] <KenMikaze> i'm from the philippines, but currently living here in bangkok.
[04:37] <atoponce> cool
[04:38] <atoponce> firefox 3 will pass the test. they'll be using the gecko 1.9 engine
[04:38] <atoponce> i'm looking forward to that
[04:38] <KenMikaze> cool.
[04:38] <KenMikaze> when's firefox 3 coming out?
[04:39] <atoponce> may 2007 is the plan
[04:39] <atoponce> http://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox3/Schedule
[04:40] <KenMikaze> cool.
[05:33] <jee> #ubuntu-classroom-chat
[06:11] <graham_100> just upgraded to ubuntu 6.10 frommmmmmmmmmmmm dapper as you can see i have a keyboarddddddddddd problem
[06:11] <graham_100> lol
[06:11] <graham_100> how do i fix this?
[06:12] <hifi> repeat rate too fast?
[06:12] <graham_100> iam not sure
[06:12] <graham_100> let            me look
[06:12] <hifi> when you push a button it starts to flood it immediately?
[06:12] <hifi> no slight delay or is your buttons just "sticky"
[06:13] <graham_100> not all thhhhhhhhhhhe time just as you see ittttttttttttt now
[06:13] <hifi> oh
[06:13] <hifi> dont know then
[06:13] <graham_100> if i take off the key repeat when            pressed down should this fix?
[06:14] <graham_100> see whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat i mean with intermittttttttttttent problem?
[06:15] <graham_100> i slowed down the speeeeeed of it still does it thouuuuuugh
[06:15] <graham_100> lol
[06:15] <graham_100> i wonder if turning off key repeat will fix?
[06:15] <hifi> try xset r off
[06:16] <graham_100> i think i fixed it turning key repeat off
[06:16] <graham_100> not looking as it's doing it anymore
[06:17] <graham_100> wireless card probs too :S
[06:17] <graham_100> i know the card is recognised and i know it tells me that the driver is there
[06:18] <graham_100> what do you do next as i am not too sure on that
[06:19] <graham_100> ?
[06:27] <geof1> What happens now ?
[06:28] <graham_100> i think my wireless card is not working?!?!
[06:34] <LinuxBA> Seveas: ping
[06:42] <jrib> graham_100: someone had that key repeat problem yesterday and he got linked to a bug in launchpad, no idea what it was but if you can't find it I'll grep the logs.
[06:49] <graham_100> thanks
[07:49] <napels7> +e napels7
[07:50] <napels7> join
[08:26] <fernando> exit
[09:20] <vyoman> hi is there anybody left from the packaging team?
[09:27] <napels7> join kanaal
[09:28] <napels7> join #ubuntu-classroom
[10:13] <jrib> vyoman: you can always find them at #ubuntu-motu
[10:13] <jrib> vyoman: you can check in #ubuntu-freshers as well today
[10:13] <vyoman> thanks
[11:11] <kishan> hi
[11:11] <PriceChild> hi
[11:12] <PriceChild> everyone's in #ubuntu-freshers kishan
[11:12] <kishan> ok
[11:12] <kishan> what is going on there
[11:13] <kishan> n one is replying there
[11:15] <PriceChild> ask a question
[11:15] <PriceChild> today is freshers day
[11:28] <robotgeek> heh, just a bit too late i guess
[11:31] <stalefries> robotgeek: no, everyone is  in #ubuntu-freshers today
[11:31] <stalefries> !freshers
[11:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about freshers - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:31] <stalefries> !search freshers
[11:31] <ubotu> Found:
[11:31] <stalefries> oh well