=== rmjb [n=richard@cuscon23820.tstt.net.tt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:17] keescook: now the bug looks a little bit strange? should it also affect gnupg2 till it fixed there also? === MetalMusicAddict is now known as _MMA_ [12:17] geser: yup, I'll get it in there. sorry for my mix up. :) === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dous [n=dous@124.107.248.86] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sid [n=unstable@tor/regular/sid] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === theCore [n=alex@modemcable229.181-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fjodor [n=sune@0x55510b65.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm57.omega18.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:52] anybody know what the process for setting the "Approver" on a spec is? [12:59] I think generally you don't set people as approver, unless you had their permission [12:59] mdz told me earlier that approvals should be TB at the moment [12:59] but how do they get set? [12:59] I have a spec that is pending approval with no approver set [12:59] someone else sets them [12:59] or should [12:59] I just want to make sure I didn't miss something [01:00] if a TB member is still alive/awake, you could ask them [01:02] LaserJock: they default to being unset, and are only set if there is someone particularly paying attention to the spec [01:02] you can set the approver to techboard [01:02] ok [01:02] just wanted to make sure I had all my ducks in a row [01:02] sorry if I gave any wrong info there :) === xhaker [n=xhaker@a81-84-27-24.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:05] ok, I put TB as approver just to ease my mind ;-) === dsas [n=dean@host-84-9-170-12.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm57.omega18.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:12] Whoa. I'm the drafter for Driver Repositories?? [01:14] keescook: don't you hate it when that happens ;-) [01:14] lucky chap [01:14] Uhm... what's the right thing to do here? I have no idea what this spec is. [01:14] you didn't attend any BOF on it? [01:15] nope. [01:15] keescook: if it was discussed at UDS, it would have appeared on the schedule with your name on it [01:15] if it wasn't, then go back through your mail, find out who set that field, and ask them what's up [01:15] mdz: no, I was just marked as drafter in the last 10 minutes... [01:15] yup, gonna do that [01:16] yeah, someone made me drafter for 3 specs just now. wild [01:17] they weren't at uds. [01:17] ahh TB is back, what about CC mdz? [01:17] I am not a member of the CC [01:17] I think it could be random community spec submissions [01:17] keescook: you have a secret admirer [01:17] heh [01:18] mdz: yay! only a few months until feb [01:18] with holidays & everything, about 2 months till freeze :) [01:18] holidays?!? [01:19] apparantly some people stop working [01:19] those are what I like to call "Uninterupted Ubuntu-holic Joy Time" [01:19] you're far too happy about that === ajmitch wants at least some days of the year away from the computer [01:20] ajmitch: I have to or else I will spiral down into that pit of cyncism call bhale ;-) [01:21] hey now, he's perfectly reasonable === caccolangrifata [n=caccola@host200-207-static.104-80-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === theCore [n=alex@modemcable229.181-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jorgp [n=jorgp@adsl-70-234-108-24.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@221.216.191.52] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:42] any ALSA-like people wanna help me debug a buggy sound driver? [01:42] alsa randomly can't open on my card [01:42] oss works fine [01:42] after using flash player [01:42] no amount of sound module unloading/reloading is fixing it [01:43] dmesg, /proc/interrupts, /proc/asound/oss/sndstat spew pastebinned. [01:44] man pastebin is SLOW these days [01:44] try a different pastebin? [01:44] http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/FWOrAN41.html [01:45] cat /proc/interrupts: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/gJPevy53.html [01:45] am I missing something, or is the first really only 6 lines? [01:45] do you want the whole log? === jorgp [n=jorgp@adsl-70-234-108-24.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:45] yes, please. Those 6 lines are useless. [01:46] http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/GR50N428.html [01:46] ok [01:46] ^^ [01:46] the faulty card is the ice1712 [01:46] the M-Audio Audiophile 2496 [01:48] sndstat: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/JLw93U98.html [01:48] is this with flash 7.0.68 or 9.0.21.78? [01:48] 9 [01:48] annoying thing is, flash can still use the card [01:48] nothing else can [01:49] (cept OSS) [01:49] (i'm assuming flash is using ALSA here) [01:49] is ice1712 now index 0 or 1? [01:49] (you didn't mention [un] loading emu10k1) [01:50] i didn't did i? [01:50] m2496 is still #0 [01:50] according to aplay -l === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:51] after closing whatever browsers are open, do concurrent instances of ``aplay -Dplughw:0 /usr/share/sounds/startup.wav'' fail? [01:52] (fail-> block, appear to play but remain inaudible, etc.) [01:52] crimsun: um [01:52] aplay -Dplughw:0 works fine [01:52] but aplay -Ddefault fails [01:52] ubuntu@ubuntu:~/Desktop$ aplay -Ddefault test.wav [01:52] ALSA lib pcm_direct.c:224:(make_local_socket) connect failed: /tmp/alsa-dmix-29505-1164922756-617983: No such file or directory [01:52] ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:894:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to connect client [01:52] aplay: main:547: audio open error: No such file or directory [01:53] alsa-lib, great [01:53] ah [01:53] i used to have this occasionally with my disk boot [01:53] (i'm on a live cd boot atm thanks to failure of said disk) [01:54] kill $(lsof -t /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*) && sudo modprobe -r $(lsmod |grep ^snd |awk '{print $1}' |sort -r) && sudo modprobe snd-ice1712 && sudo modprobe snd-emu10k1 [01:54] FATAL: Module snd_util_mem is in use. [01:55] there's no way around that one save to reboot. === jack_wyt [n=jack@211.154.174.45] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:55] arse! [01:55] ok if we can't fix it [01:55] can we at least figure out what went wrong so i can file something? [01:55] or is it a mystery? [01:55] seems the dmix socket has just gone kapooft [01:56] give me sec to find the commits that fixed it. [01:56] oh it's fixed?! [01:56] a sec, even [01:57] ok === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-123-177.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D929C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:01] alex-weej: dapper, edgy, or feisty? [02:02] edgy [02:04] edgy lacks both the -driver-side disconnect fixes (in 13) and -lib-side's ipc fixes (post-13, in hg) [02:04] I'd be interested in seeing if current feisty + -lib hg can reproduce it [02:11] i see [02:11] is feisty even usable yet? [02:12] for some small population, yes. Maybe wait for Herd 1? [02:13] It's not going to be magically more usable in a day. :) [02:14] lol [02:16] i'll get it installed to do some hacking on it when i get my new disk [02:16] cheers for the help, crimsun === beuno [n=martin@200-127-236-215.cab.prima.net.ar] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:16] i'll let you know if it happens on feisty [02:16] excellent, thank you. [02:23] BenC: do you still want the the paravirt xen crack in ubuntu or how is that going to work [02:24] will it land in 2.6.20 upstream? [02:25] bits of it [02:32] LaserJock: thats not nice [02:33] LaserJock: about all I can say :) [02:33] hello bhale [02:33] hi [02:33] ah, the development branch... new kernels and reboots === bhale hugs jdub [02:34] morning bhale :) [02:34] LaserJock: I have been totally nice all day and you know it [02:36] jdub: dude, new beagle rocks. [02:36] yeah? [02:36] yeah. [02:36] joe has been sounding off on LP bugs even [02:36] bonus. [02:39] bhale: I was so pleasently suprised you came to my open week session [02:39] and even moderated for me :-) [02:39] my pleasure, it was a good one [02:40] thanks, hope people got something out of it [02:40] I dont know if you know, but I wrote the Ubuntu Packaging Guide spec [02:40] really? [02:40] really. [02:40] whiprush might have typed it [02:40] I didn't know that [02:40] I proposed it [02:40] and here you are. [02:40] ROCK OUT. [02:41] (someone at the session, Ankur, asked to run with it, but disappeared) [02:41] (enter you) [02:41] yeah, I picked up with what Ankur did === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.16.239.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bronson_ [n=bronson@c-67-188-227-156.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi__ [n=wasabi@cpe-76-184-95-8.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:53] jdub: The (american) Office this week was written by the creators of the British show [02:54] jdub: not fantastic, though [02:54] really? I'm taping it [02:54] sorry. [02:54] np, I'll watch it anyway [02:54] yeah its good just not a zinger [02:54] jdub hates it [02:55] at least I hope I'm taping [02:55] 1st time I've ever tried using a VCR for taping TV === LaserJock crawls back under the rock [02:56] LaserJock: VHS or betamax? ;) [02:56] VHS of course, I'm not that bad [02:57] I know, I'm just giving you a hard time. :) I've got a friend with an HDTV that spends all kinds of time trying to convince me I'm in the darkages. :) [02:57] but of course next month I'll have to burn it to blueray (whatever that is) ;-) [02:57] hehe [02:59] LaserJock, you can get the vcr to at least pretend to tape things? you're one up on me ;) [02:59] well, first of this morning I had to set the clock [02:59] and then I did remember to put a blank tape in [02:59] almost forgot that part ;-) [03:00] been there, done that [03:02] keescook: I saw 1 or two of the specs where you got assigned as drafter on the forums, if you want to go & educate the authors :) === paran_ [n=paran@cl-56.sto-01.se.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bronson_ [n=bronson@adsl-75-36-144-172.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:12] ajmitch: yes, please. why would they think random people, much less me, should be doing drafting on things they never heard of? weird. === paran [n=paran@cl-56.sto-01.se.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:13] If you even own a TV, you're one up on me... [03:14] keescook: any chance of seeing a tzdata update within the next two days? ;-) [03:14] keescook: [03:14] http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=310058 [03:15] bhale: i don't mind the US version [03:15] realist: I talked to another person about that too; you'll need to talk to mdz about doing a shortened release of the tzdata. :( [03:15] bhale: i love steve carrell [03:15] ajmitch: hehe, we've been joking a bit about that too :) [03:15] jdub: oh really? i seemed to remember you saying otherwise [03:15] it's not as good [03:15] jdong: I know I wouldn't want a random person assigning me work [03:15] but fun to watch, lamost entirely for the differences in humour [03:16] i'm glad it's not a total disaster though [03:16] ajmitch: thanks, I'll see if I can convince them not to do that. :) [03:16] keescook: it's been assigned to pitti, should I presume they will be bringing it up with mdz? === bronson_ [n=bronson@adsl-75-36-144-172.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:17] realist: pitti tends to do tzdata updates, but if you want it done in <2 weeks, you'll need to talk to mdz. pitti is usually on irc in about 6 hours, though. [03:17] jdub: I like it, but I haven't seen the "real" version [03:17] realist: I was the one who assigned it to pitti [03:18] mdz, so we'll see an update in <2days ? === paran [n=paran@cl-56.sto-01.se.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:22] realist: perth dst? === realist nods [03:22] realist: I am not offering a guarantee; I've asked pitti to look into it when he comes in === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === paran_ [n=paran@cl-56.sto-01.se.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [n=anthony@ekorp-218-185-9-170.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === FeistyFawn [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marsu [n=user@c83-252-78-72.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi__ [n=wasabi@cpe-76-184-95-8.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@sd-4736.dedibox.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dous [n=dous@124.107.248.86] has joined #ubuntu-devel === towsonu2003 [n=towsonu2@c-69-251-20-244.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:19] hi === orkid [n=orkid@bas1-barrie18-1242376049.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rrittenhouse [n=tad@cpe-76-188-35-66.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [i=keefejoh@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia_ [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman_ is now known as GmanAFK === Amaranth_ [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco is now known as Hokusai [05:37] morning [05:37] morning fabbione === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:48] ok, stuck. Aside from GNOME 2.17 and the new kernel, what else has been changed in Feisty that makes it interesting to end users? [05:55] FREEDOM. [05:55] right [05:55] wait, no, that's coming in the next release. [05:55] that might not be construed as a "feature" [05:55] freedom is megapixel. [05:55] the loss of it, rather [05:55] are you looking for features or benefits? :) [05:56] given this is the Herd 1 announcement, is is largely features driven [05:59] i'm trying to think what's leapt out at me in the logs [05:59] New glibc, though I doubt "end users" care. [05:59] does it affect developers? [05:59] Mostly, it's just "lots of shiny new syncs from Debian, plus an updated toolchain, kernel, and GNOME" [05:59] cause some of this is also telling developers what is coming [06:00] Well, it affects developers that want to use shiny new glibc features, sure. [06:01] <_ion> Startup based on upstart jobs! [06:01] hehey, someone lef the filenames at edgy! [06:01] is glibc consider part of the toolchain? [06:01] left* [06:01] <_ion> Oh, "*has* been". Sorry. [06:01] _ion: has that landed yet? [06:01] according to launchpad, fisty is frozen [06:01] yep, for Herd 1 release [06:01] ahr [06:02] zis makes ze sense [06:02] Burgundavia: We consider it part of the toolchain, due to our bootstrap order. Other opinions may vary. :) [06:02] Burgundavia: We lump the kernel in there too, after all. [06:02] Burgundavia: oh, how about the new cd burning stack? [06:02] ps. cdimage.ubuntu.com daily snapshot image files still say 'edgy' although page heading is feisty... [06:02] infinity: can you pm me three or four sentences on the new stuff? [06:03] jdub: wodim for cdrecord? how does that really change things? [06:03] Burgundavia: about as much as prozac changes things [06:03] fisty... why does that sound like a bad x-rated.... never mind [06:03] Burgundavia: Best to ask jbailey for copy on the new glibc. I haven't pored over the "what's new, and why do you care" stuff, much, I care more that it remains backward compatible and continues to work. :) [06:03] jdong: bad gutter [06:03] right, ok === highvoltage [n=jonathan@196.1.61.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:05] Burgundavia: there is a glibc changelog in the package if you really want to dig in under the hood [06:05] fabbione: ugh. No thanks. I want the 3 sentences for developers and end users [06:05] but probably the most significant change is the hash thingy. hell.. what's it's name... [06:06] well grep "hash" in the build log [06:06] fabbione: DT_GNU_HASH? [06:06] jdong: that one === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm57.omega18.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:06] the thing that works miracles on KDE performance :) [06:06] and OOo [06:06] right, lovely [06:06] at least I _think_ that's why FC6's KDE is so blazing fast [06:07] does it still bloat binaries with like a 2MB hashing field, or has that been long fixed? === jdong is pathetically behind on the glibc front :) === infinity [n=adconrad@cerberus.0c3.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:12] jdong: it's enabled by default and nobody noticed any bloat [06:13] it's done at glibc level [06:13] so it's should be transparent afaik [06:13] fabbione: ok, cool. There was a gentoo blogpost about how DT_GNU_HASH makes the hash section gigantic compared to the old hash [06:13] (like 2.1MB for some KDE apps?!) [06:14] jdong: dunno... i have no data to prove either that i am right or wrong [06:14] a debdiff on some kde package could show that [06:14] or just checking the size of say kdebase on edgy vs feisty... [06:15] hmm, anybody got any good guesses on stuff that will land in Herd 2? [06:15] Burgundavia: Some random feature specs, some other stuff, and some things? === Burgundavia smacks infinity [06:16] automatix! [06:16] We don't have Herd 2 scheduled, so who knows. [06:16] It should be vaguely around the ImportFreeze, though, so likely just "more new packages". [06:16] Most spec work should land after that. [06:17] yep === didymo [n=ashley@61.9.197.223] has joined #ubuntu-devel === boitono [n=aedwards@cpe-66-69-18-139.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:34] I am not a developer nor do I wish to be but I think I have found the cause of bug #47768, it seems that udev does not have the persistent storage rules loaded into the generic kernel's initrd. They are however present in the 386 variant of the kernel which boots just fine on my system. the file should exist under /etc/udev/rules.d/. Since the kernel is passed only a UUID during boot I believe this is necessary but as far as wh [06:34] Malone bug 47768 in initramfs-tools "Mount Root Files System Failed" [Critical,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/47768 [06:35] boitono: Please follow up to the bug with your findings, telling us on IRC will just lead to your comments getting lost in the backscroll. [06:36] I am not sure on the validity of the findings, are the UUIDs found in grub's menu.lst and udev persistent storage related? [06:37] Should be. [06:38] would there be a valid reason for leaving them out in an initrd? [06:39] mkdir -p ${DESTDIR}/etc/udev/rules.d [06:39] for rules in 00-init.rules 05-options.rules 20-names.rules 65-persistent-storage.rules 90-modprobe.r [06:39] ules; do cp -p /etc/udev/rules.d/$rules ${DESTDIR}/etc/udev/rules.d [06:39] done [06:39] According to that, it should be copied into the initrd. [06:41] ok then, when I "get around to it" I'll post something on the bug tracker, it's been open since may so I don't think there's much rush ;-) === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm57.omega18.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:44] infinity: where did you find those segments of code? [06:45] boitono: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/udev [06:47] where can I find the script that created the initrd that lives in the ubuntu repository? === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:49] boitono: There is no initrd in the repository, it's generated on your system. [06:50] infinity: Really? when ever I install new copy of ubuntu the initrd is automatically generated on my PC? [06:51] Yes. === elkbuntu considers making some 'round tuits' to send to people for xmas === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-105-195.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:03] elkbuntu: I could use a few dozen. [07:03] hehe [07:05] anyone awake at ubuntu-bugs? ;) [07:06] only the hippies. === boitono [n=aedwards@cpe-66-69-18-139.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:06] lol [07:07] I'll be bold enough to ask it here than: how do you debug program hangs? if it were a crash, you'd probably use gdb -what to use for hangs? [07:07] infinity: FYI making a new initrd seems to have done the trick, what is causing the problem is still a mystery to me [07:08] I'll file something on the ubuntu bug tracker thingy some time next week when I get a chance but if someone wants to beat me to the punch by all means [07:09] towsonu2003: Attach strace to it and see what it's up to. === ademan [n=dan@h-68-164-186-127.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:09] doko: a moment of your time? [07:11] infinity, would that be enough? I doubt I will be able to reproduce the hang once I reboot or something. So I wanna put every bi of info I can provide in the bug report :) [07:11] towsonu2003: It's a start, anyway. [07:12] infinity, okay thanks :) [07:14] ademan: about what? [07:14] doko: well i sent you an email, which i got from launchpad, but i'm having major problems with the eclipse-cdt [07:15] the current versions of the eclipse-cdt and eclipse in the repositories don't work together [07:15] as a result i've been trying to package the eclipse-cdt for the past week === orkid [n=orkid@bas1-barrie18-1242376049.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:15] but unfortunately not only is this my first package, but it's a java package, and i just CAN'T get it to work [07:16] so my first question is: where did you get the eclipse source code from? because the sdk supposedly contains the source code, but it doesn't look anything like the source tree in the current package... [07:18] and i suppose i didn't have a second question, just any tips or tricks, because someone in #ubuntu-motu said you were a master of java packages [07:20] ademan: apt-get source eclipse [07:20] should work [07:21] Treenaks: well i meant where did he obtain the upstream source === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:23] ademan: look in debian/copyright in the source package [07:24] alright i'll check that out [07:24] thanks [07:26] ademan: cdt needs to be updated, which is not yet done (and I won't have time to do it) [07:27] doko: right, i'm attempting to do it but failing miserably [07:33] so i was hoping you might have some words of wisdom for packaging it, since i understand you're the eclipse package maintainer [07:33] and i assume the eclipse-cdt is distributed in similar ways === jdong_ [n=jdong@d149-67-62-201.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F5850.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:39] Mithrandir: you awake yet? === cain_ [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freet15 [n=freet15@221.216.191.52] has joined #ubuntu-devel === PuMpErNiCkLe [n=pumperni@about/essy/bacon/PuMpErNiCkLe] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F73327.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:56] good morning === Fujitsu [n=william@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:01] morning dholbach === kaptengu [n=kaptengu@c213-100-60-132.swipnet.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freet15 [n=freet15@221.216.191.52] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:12] mumblemumblemorning === malcc [n=malcolm@host86-135-237-55.range86-135.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:14] doko: so is there any sort of hint you might be able to give me? More specifically where to get the correct source, the SDK download from the eclipse website apparently contains source, but its split up in an extremely wierd fashion [08:15] ademan: sorry, no. I never worked on -cdt myself [08:16] hrm ok, well i guess i'll just continue to butt my head up against the wall, if you think of something i'll be lurking === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freet15 [n=freet15@221.216.191.52] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:33] cjwatson: thanks [08:33] Burgundavia: yes [08:33] Mithrandir: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Herd1 <-- still last edits pending === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === timfrost [n=timfrost@125-238-33-97.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:38] Burgundavia: yay, thanks. [08:39] no worries === freet15 [n=freet15@221.216.191.52] has joined #ubuntu-devel === timfrost [n=timfrost@125-238-33-97.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === cypher1 [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-0c2c33c79b33e043] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:57] hello === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:01] hi lucas === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@p57AEFAFE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freet15 [n=freet15@221.216.191.52] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@187.169-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:06] Mithrandir: page is basically done. Needs to be move to the website upon launch of Herd 1. Is that likely in the next 9 hours? [09:08] Burgundavia: I hope so, yes, but I can deal with it if you want to go to bed. [09:08] ok, thanks [09:08] mdke might be able to help you as well [09:10] I won't be around during 9-6 GMT because of work. But there are a good few with website access, newz is the best option, I guess [09:10] middle of newz night === tonyyserver [n=anthony@d235-240-148.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:11] he gets up though [09:11] I'll deal with it one way or another, I'm sure it's not going to be a problem. [09:12] yep [09:12] mdke: how do I get access to the website image uploading palce? === `anthony [n=anthony@220-253-36-212.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:13] Burgundavia: you can't, afaik. You can use attachments though [09:13] matt galvin got access somehow [09:14] Burgundavia: you could ask him then [09:14] I will ask newz === carlos [n=carlos@18.Red-88-16-32.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freet15 [n=freet15@221.216.191.52] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypher1_ [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-1c77eea2fcbeeb9e] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pradeep [n=pradeep@59.92.32.129] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A65FE6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seeker` [n=cjo20@ip-62-105-182-26.dsl.twang.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freet15 [n=freet15@221.216.191.52] has joined #ubuntu-devel === trappist_ [i=trappist@tra.ppi.st] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TerminX [i=f5bc514c@adsl-68-122-5-124.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freet15 [n=freet15@221.216.191.52] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mithrandir wonders why resume= didn't work. [10:11] because it doesnt like you? === Hobbsee waves to Mithrandir === Mithrandir goes to cry in the corner. [10:11] Hobbsee: hiya, how's life? [10:12] Mithrandir: not great at the moment, grandparent-- as of this afternoon [10:12] apart from that, it's good :) [10:12] oof [10:12] ouch. :-( [10:12] sad to hear that. [10:13] rather [10:13] Mithrandir: yourself? [10:13] Hobbsee: I have this release which I'm trying to put out, but which keeps acting up, apart from that, I'm fine. [10:13] puppy's asleep, which is always good. [10:13] Mithrandir: hehe - it's not working? [10:14] Mithrandir: How old is the puppy? [10:14] StevenK: ~3.5 months. [10:14] gar, ubiquity crash [10:14] I just accepted the new d-i which I forgot to do before crashing last night. === cjwatson radiates hate at python-apt [10:14] haha [10:14] Mithrandir: Ah, neat. My "puppy" is just over a year old now. [10:15] cache._cache SHOULD be iterable, damnit [10:15] cjwatson: I've found python-apt is well, crap. [10:15] it mostly just needs more standard python protocol support [10:16] instead of things that look like dicts but aren't quite [10:16] And not cause Python to segfault [10:16] haven't had that problem [10:16] I was mightly suprised to get a bug against Linda saying "It segfaults" :-) === sabdf1 [n=sabdfl@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blufox [n=bluf0x@59.92.167.75] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-31b2f80a81c07cfc] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:27] cjwatson: if you let me know what you need, I can add the required code to the python interface. "apt.Cache" is iteratable === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cmvo [n=cmvo@unaffiliated/cmvo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freet15 [n=freet15@221.216.191.52] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-de5c8cc1766482ed] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:36] mvo: 'Cache._cache["package"] ' works but but '"package" in _cache' does not. This is unintuitive [10:36] s/but // [10:37] cjwatson: what feature do you need from cache._cache that is not available via "apt.Cache" ? [10:37] (not that apt.Cache has many features, but I wonder what should be added next :) [10:38] mvo: furthermore you can get stuff from Cache.keys() for which Cache._cache[key] fails; https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/67689 [10:38] Malone bug 67689 in ubiquity "installer crashed" [Undecided,Fix released] [10:38] mvo: I'm using cache._depcache.IsInstBroken and I need an element of cache._cache to pass to that [10:40] cjwatson: how do you install stuff? the pkg.markInstall() function should not allow a broken cache [10:41] mvo: I want to roll back gracefully if there are broken packages, by marking them keep rather than install again [10:41] see ubiquity/scripts/install.py === mvo looks at the bug [10:42] (said rollback has been implemented since dapper) === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.16.174.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:51] cjwatson: hm, I checked out https://code.launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-core-dev/+branch/ubiquity/trunk and can't find ubiquity/scripts/install.py in there. do I have the wrong branch? === freet15 [n=freet15@221.216.191.52] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-40eb7b27cdccf8fc] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mat1t [n=mat1t@freeside.dcs.hull.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:01] mvo: the initial "ubiquity/" was referring to the entire checkout [11:01] mvo: so scripts/install.py === mvo slaps his forehead and goes to get more tea [11:03] thanks === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-3-247.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blufox [n=bluf0x@59.92.167.75] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === dholbach hugs doko === freet15 [n=freet15@221.216.191.52] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hiddenwolf_ [n=hidde@136.62.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-14ae4eb3a8f6174a] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mnepton [n=mneptok@montreal.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === apokryphos- [n=apokryph@87-194-86-227.bethere.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === apokryphos- [n=apokryph@87-194-86-227.bethere.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === apokryphos- [n=apokryph@87-194-86-227.bethere.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === apokryphos- [n=apokryph@87-194-86-227.bethere.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === apokryphos- [n=apokryph@87-194-86-227.bethere.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === apokryphos- [n=apokryph@87-194-86-227.bethere.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === apokryphos- [n=apokryph@87-194-86-227.bethere.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === apokryphos- [n=apokryph@87-194-86-227.bethere.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === apokryphos- [n=apokryph@87-194-86-227.bethere.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === apokryphos- [n=apokryph@87-194-86-227.bethere.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === popey [n=alan@bishop.popey.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Gman is now known as GmanAFK === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=glatzor@p57AEDCE4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freet15 [n=freet15@221.216.191.52] has joined #ubuntu-devel === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jonh_wendell [n=wendell@200165129086.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@177.Red-83-54-74.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === luisbg__ [n=LuisB_G@87.217.147.239] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freet15 [n=freet15@221.216.191.52] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:09] morning, pitti === givr1 [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-66-83.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:12] hi jonh_wendell, how are you? [12:12] fine, pitti! i've seen you has activated back your lang repo === mbiebl [n=michael@e180091205.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:14] jonh_wendell: yeah, carlos pointed out that it was inactive, sorry for that [12:14] jonh_wendell: simply forgot to turn it on again [12:14] pitti: actually, jordi detected it ;-) [12:15] pitti, when will it available at edgy-updates? [12:15] yeah, yeah. I should have a statue in the Ubuntu Plaza. :) [12:16] :) === freet15 [n=freet15@221.216.191.52] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@221.223.29.136] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:17] jonh_wendell: next Monday, according to schedule [12:18] pitti, really? [12:18] first Monday every month [12:18] i must alert my translation team [12:18] whip'em up :-p [12:19] it will be the first lang update in edgy, right? [12:20] yep === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-31-178.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === geser [n=michael@dialin111069.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=glatzor@p57AEDCE4.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === jack_wyt [n=jack@221.223.29.136] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eggauah [n=daniel@201.72.57.93] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:34] anyone with bright ideas about why feisty doesn't boot in vmware? can't find the root filesystem [12:34] and indeed there's no /sys/block/hda [12:34] however, installation works, so I'm assuming something's missing in the initramfs === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:39] Mithrandir: ubiquity 1.3.1 uploaded: fixes a crash, an infinite loop, and a couple of minor issues; please accept === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cprov [n=cprov@monga.dorianet.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:41] 7 files changed, 711 insertions(+), 2483315 deletions(-) === freet15 [n=freet15@221.216.191.52] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:42] cjwatson: that's a bunch of deletions.. === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:44] oh, stopped shipping some .so-s in the source. [12:44] pitti, will translations made until sunday get in edgy-updates for monday? [12:45] jonh_wendell: not sure about the mirror delay, but they might make it; carlos? ^ [12:45] Mithrandir: stopped shipping a bunch of d-i/source/console-setup/ (again - it only crept back into 1.3.0 by accident) [12:45] if you look at 1.3.0 you'll see a corresponding bunch of additions [12:45] pitti: which package will you get? === ailean [n=ailean@82-40-205-105.stb.ubr07.uddi.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:45] Monday's one? [12:45] carlos: yes [12:46] jonh_wendell: if everything goes well, anything done until Sunday at midnight (UTC time) [12:46] carlos, thanks [12:46] pitti, thanks === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.231.174] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:52] Hmm. Nothing obviously missing from the initramfs that should break feisty [12:54] hi Hobbsee, sabdfl [12:54] hey ailean === Hobbsee waves to sabdfl, and idly wonders how the last couple of days of open day went [12:54] s/open day/open week/ [12:55] hey guys [12:55]