[12:20] <dotwaffle> jenda: I studied Latin. I stopped when I could ;)
[12:21] <jenda> hehe :)
[12:21] <jenda> dotwaffle: I have it as an optional subject ;)
[12:21] <dotwaffle> :) I've always wanted to learn an auxillary language, I figured I'd either learn Latin or Ido. In the end, I learned Python ;)
[12:22] <jenda> lol
[12:23] <jenda> as a lawyer in a civil law country, I will have a use for latin :)
[12:23] <jenda> or at least I can look smart :/
[12:26] <dotwaffle> would a nice suit not do that job better? :)
[12:26] <jenda> hehe :)
[12:26] <jenda> not a job, it's study atm :)
[12:48] <dotwaffle> What are people's thoughts on Wine in Ubuntu, btw?
[12:50] <jenda> For me, it's a temporary solution to a permanent problem. I avoid it.
[12:50] <Burgwork> it works for somethings not for others
[12:50] <Burgwork> totally unsupportable
[12:51] <dotwaffle> So many people I show Ubuntu to are prevented from total migration by one or two applications, typically in-house developed. Just wondering what people though about it.
[12:51] <jenda> You should offer it as a solution.
[12:52] <dotwaffle> Yeah, I just don't hace the experience in Wine... Ought to spend an afternoon with it..
[12:55] <atoponce> jenda: do you know the octal or hex value for your cool smiley?
[12:57] <lotusleaf> dotwaffle: re: wine, try asking in #ubuntu-offtopic, where I'll respond. ;)
[12:59] <dotwaffle> cheers ;)
[01:00] <lotusleaf> dotwaffle: (= also #winehq is a good channel
[01:01] <dotwaffle> It was more of an ubuntu query, as opposed to Wine. Of course Wine is going to pimp Wine ;)
[01:17] <atoponce> 
[01:17] <lotusleaf> dotwaffle: which is why I presented you with three options and three IRC channels: wine, crossover, and cedega
[01:20] <lotusleaf> rjian: good evening
[01:20] <rjian> hello lotusleaf
[01:21] <lotusleaf> hi
[01:24] <jenda> atoponce: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/List_of_Keysyms_Recognised_by_Xmodmap
[01:24] <jenda> look for kana_TSU
[01:25] <atoponce> jenda: found it  
[01:25] <atoponce> unicode.org/charts
[05:04] <Burgundavia_> good evening me lovlies
[05:04] <Burgundavia_> whose up for some Herd1 release notes hacking?
[05:09] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: you there?
[05:10] <poningru> Burgundavia: give me like another hour
[05:12] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[05:12] <Burgundavia> I will flesh out a shell
[05:22] <poningru> Burgundavia: ready
[05:22] <poningru> linky?
[05:23] <Burgundavia> in gobby
[05:23] <Burgundavia> just a sec
[05:24] <Burgundavia> can you copy in the raw bits from a Knot release page?
[05:24] <poningru> k
[05:25] <poningru> did you make a page in gobby yet?
[05:26] <Burgundavia> nope
[05:27] <poningru> making one: herd 1
[05:28] <Burgundavia> got it
[05:30] <Burgundavia> hey tonyyaru
[05:30] <tonyyaru1so> Hey Burgund
[05:31] <Burgundavia> heh
[05:31] <Burgundavia> want to work on the Herd 1 doc?
[05:32] <tonyyarusso> Maybe if I can over the weekend?  Not tonight.
[05:34] <poningru> when is herd going to be released?
[05:35] <tonyyarusso> I think it's "when the installer works"
[05:36] <elkbuntu> yep, that's my impression also
[05:36] <Burgundavia> yep
[05:36] <Burgundavia> which means have have tonight to get this done
[05:37] <tonyyarusso> Dangit
[05:37] <tonyyarusso> Well, what sorts of things get done on a Herd 1 doc?
[05:38] <tonyyarusso> Any that can be done if very small time increments?
[05:39] <Burgundavia> yep
[05:39] <Burgundavia> can you get us screenshots of sudoku and chess?
[05:39] <tonyyarusso> That sounds simple enough
[05:40] <Burgundavia> do you see how the older screenshots are done, shrunk and drop shadow added
[05:40] <Burgundavia> ?
[05:40] <elkbuntu> i do
[05:41] <Burgundavia> excellent
[05:41] <Burgundavia> given my gimp skills are sadly lacking, somebody is going to have to get that rocking
[05:42] <tonyyarusso> I can shrink, not sure about drop shadow.  I'll try.
[05:42] <Burgundavia> tonyyarusso: then deliver the screenshots in complete form
[05:43] <elkbuntu> i will be the screenshot shadower person if need be
[05:45] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: Point me to one of the pages with an example of what I'm shooting for?
[05:45] <Burgundavia> anybody else running Feisty?
[05:45] <Burgundavia> a basic screenshot of the app
[05:45] <Burgundavia> nothing fancy
[05:46] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: should we email the screenshots to you and you can do the necessary work?
[05:46] <elkbuntu> yeah, that'd be the best way to have consistancy
[05:47] <Burgundavia> aside from GNOME and the kernel, what else has changed that is user visible?
[05:47] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: @ubuntu?
[05:47] <Burgundavia> talking only Ubuntu here
[05:48] <tonyyarusso> Well, I saw a little app crash notification icon for the first time today, but I doubt I can reproduce it.
[05:48] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, i've never tried the ubuntu address i theoretically have... melissa@meldraweb.com is guaranteed
[05:48] <tonyyarusso> 'k
[05:49] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: Away
[05:50] <elkbuntu> received
[05:51] <Burgundavia> we can use all the moin code we want in this one, as it is going on the website
[06:03] <elkbuntu> ok, those are done. http://meldra.no-ip.info/feistyscreenshots
[06:04] <Burgundavia> please create a Herd1 wiki page and upload them
[06:04] <poningru> will do
[06:05] <Burgundavia> actually
[06:05] <Burgundavia> FeistyFawn/Herd1
[06:05] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: upload your images to that page
[06:06] <poningru> yeah made it
[06:07] <poningru> doh
[06:07] <poningru> mid air collision
[06:08] <elkbuntu> poningru, it's ok.. i figured you'd gone quicker and cancelled
[06:08] <elkbuntu> lol
[06:18] <poningru> oblargh?
[06:18] <tonyyarusso> Eeeblgleeb
[06:20] <Burgundavia> you working, you lot?
[06:20] <Burgundavia> anybody need a job?
[06:20] <poningru> yeah /me
[06:21] <poningru> sorry its just fixing a friends gentoo box
[06:21] <Burgundavia> can you finish my intro paragraph
[06:21] <poningru> kk
[06:21] <Burgundavia> paraphrase off scotts blog post
[06:21] <Burgundavia> and link to it
[06:21] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: you busy?
[06:21] <Burgundavia> tonyyarusso: you must need a job
[06:21] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: I can do another.
[06:24] <Burgundavia> do you have feisty?
[06:24] <elkbuntu> i have two flavours of feisty
[06:24] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: I do
[06:24] <Burgundavia> I need someone that can show the new UI for gpm controlling frequency
[06:25] <tonyyarusso> gpm controlling frequency?
[06:25] <tonyyarusso> huH?
[06:25] <Burgundavia> cpu frequency
[06:25] <tonyyarusso> Okay
[06:25] <tonyyarusso> That makes a lot more sense than me thinking about something related to the 'gpm' package.
[06:27] <tonyyarusso> um, where is it?
[06:28] <Burgundavia> gnome-power-manager
[06:29] <Burgundavia> appears there is no UI
[06:29] <Burgundavia> so I need a short para on the following changes:
[06:29] <Burgundavia> gdm theme changes, new metacity theme and that gpm thing
[06:29] <Burgundavia> I need urls for all three as well
[06:29] <Burgundavia> for gdm, look on the gdm mailing list
[06:29] <Burgundavia> for metacity, ditto
[06:30] <Burgundavia> for gpm, look at hughsies blog
[06:33] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: I have a screenshot for you
[06:34] <Admiral_Chicago> jenda: ping
[06:35] <poningru> woot dude fixed the glib prob
[06:35] <poningru> err wrong channel
[06:38] <Admiral_Chicago> Burgundavia: documentation?
[06:38] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, right on it
[06:38] <Burgundavia> Admiral_Chicago: documentation?
[06:38] <Admiral_Chicago> looking forward to Feisty i meant
[06:38] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, ... where's the window decoration?
[06:38] <Burgundavia> ah, fucking compiz
[06:39] <elkbuntu> yeah, it's a bit like that
[06:39] <elkbuntu> i havent bothered reinstalling it yet
[06:39] <Burgundavia> let me reshoot
[06:39] <Burgundavia> man metacity works so much better
[06:39] <elkbuntu> imagine that
[06:40] <poningru> hehe
[06:41] <Admiral_Chicago> Burgundavia: i like Beryl a LOT better
[06:41] <Burgundavia> Admiral_Chicago: tbh, they are both crap
[06:41] <Burgundavia> and I am scared shitless of beryl's development cycle and general structure
[06:41] <Admiral_Chicago> i wish i didn't have them installed but man it's impressive. it's just not functional
[06:41] <Admiral_Chicago> it's eye candy
[06:42] <Burgundavia> I suspect CompositeByDefault will die on the floor, due to technical limitations
[06:42] <Burgundavia> ie: compiz and beryl are not "enterprise ready"
[06:42] <Admiral_Chicago> no it's not ready for the desktop
[06:43] <Admiral_Chicago> if anything, it should have been in Edgy
[06:43] <Admiral_Chicago> i don't see anything wrong with one "testing", two stable release, one testing release cycle
[06:44] <Admiral_Chicago> Edgy was a testing release, dapper was really stable and a solid system
[06:44] <Burgundavia> that isn't how upstream works
[06:44] <Burgundavia> and given 98% of our bugs come from upstream...
[06:44] <Admiral_Chicago> thats true.
[06:46] <Burgundavia> I have now filed 11 bugs on compiz in 2 days
[06:46] <Burgundavia> you realize what this means?
[06:46] <Burgundavia> poningru: feel free to finish the GNOME stuff
[06:46] <Burgundavia> I need to hack at the kernel stuff
[06:47] <poningru> k
[06:49] <Admiral_Chicago> Burgundavia: the real beef I have is the "one desktop" thing
[06:50] <Burgundavia> yes, that drives me bonkers
[06:50] <Burgundavia> it was needed for the ridiculous cube crap
[06:51] <Admiral_Chicago> if i'm on a seperate viewport, i DONT want to see the other open windows in other viewports in my taskbar
[06:51] <Admiral_Chicago> it makes me nuts
[06:51] <Admiral_Chicago> and i want to be able to put a different background on a different viewport
[06:51] <Admiral_Chicago> that would make me happy
[06:55] <Admiral_Chicago> don't get me wrong, the developers do amazing work
[06:58] <poningru> yeah what would be really cool is to expand the polyhedron according to the number of viewports added
[06:59] <poningru> wtf
[06:59] <poningru> wiki.gnome.org just gave me server down
[07:00] <Burgundavia> live.gnome.org
[07:16] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: mind doing your spelling lovelyness?
[07:16] <Burgundavia> we are almost ready
[07:17] <poningru> Burgundavia: I dont know about that last comment in gobby
[07:17] <Burgundavia> right
[07:17] <poningru> theme and gpm should be seperate imho
[07:18] <Burgundavia> for those smaller changes,without a screenshot, we should group them together
[07:18] <poningru> well there is a bunch of theme changes that are being grouped together
[07:19] <poningru> and for the gpm you cant really do a screeny
[07:20] <Burgundavia> yep, but none of those have a UI yet
[07:20] <poningru> right
[07:20] <poningru> mostly backend
[07:20] <Burgundavia> no screenshot == no section
[07:20] <poningru> :(
[07:20] <poningru> I dont know if I like that one
[07:21] <poningru> but dude power is reall != theme
[07:21] <poningru> really*
[07:22] <poningru> grouping them together is like grouping cpu and hdd together... not even same category
[07:22] <Burgundavia> themes are interesting, but neither of those things are really: I am going to install Feisty over them
[07:22] <Burgundavia> hence they are minor changes
[07:22] <Burgundavia> we are grouping by interesting-ness, not location in the desktop
[07:22] <elkbuntu> "Of course, one game did get axed. Sadly "
[07:22] <elkbuntu> what comes next?
[07:23] <poningru> Burgundavia: I'd say power is interesting
[07:23] <poningru> especially lower mem usage
[07:23] <Burgundavia> minor stuff
[07:23] <poningru> people eat that up
[07:23] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: right, need to figure out which game got axed
[07:24] <elkbuntu> iirc there used to be 2 majhong games
[07:24] <Burgundavia> yep, ataxx got dropped
[07:25] <poningru> Burgundavia: if you are serious about this then I will combine them... but I still say we should give them each their section
[07:25] <poningru> especially power
[07:25] <Burgundavia> lets do one section, see how it looks and then make a decions
[07:26] <poningru> kk
[07:30] <elkbuntu> one thing im waiting for, or if its just me that hasnt found it, an easier way... an option for gnome-panel icons to need double-click
[07:32] <Burgundavia> maybe the new applet stuff will do it
[07:32] <elkbuntu> im talking about the launchers
[07:33] <Burgundavia> those are applets
[07:34] <Burgundavia> hmm, maybe a video of the doubleclicking action?
[07:35] <poningru> can someone go to bugs.ubuntu.com?
[07:37] <Burgundavia> it works
[07:38] <Burgundavia> redirects to lp
[07:38] <poningru> hmm
[07:39] <Burgundavia> a bit slow
[07:39] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: how is the spell checking going?
[07:41] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, looks fine to me
[07:41] <Burgundavia> excellent
[07:41] <Burgundavia> one thing to check, then I think we can copy
[07:41] <Burgundavia> poningru: we looking good from your end?
[07:42] <elkbuntu> "a new theme version for the desktop, allowing for better themes" should that be 'a new themer'?
[07:42] <elkbuntu> line 32
[07:42] <poningru> yeah looking good
[07:42] <Burgundavia> right
[07:44] <Burgundavia> reworded
[07:45] <Burgundavia> anybody editing?
[07:45] <Burgundavia> copying back
[07:45] <elkbuntu> let me typo your rewording first
[07:45] <elkbuntu> now you may
[07:46] <Burgundavia> I love you :)
[07:46] <elkbuntu> of course
[07:46] <poningru> group hug!!
[07:47] <Burgundavia> yay!
[07:47] <elkbuntu> :)
[07:49] <Burgundavia> request: can you reshoot those two screenshots at the same size?
[07:50] <Burgundavia> and reupload them with nicer names?
[07:50] <Burgundavia> without spaces
[07:51] <Burgundavia> see http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/flight2
[07:57] <elkbuntu> hmm? which two?
[07:58] <Burgundavia> never mind, got it
[08:02] <poningru> Burgundavia: you still editing?
[08:02] <Burgundavia> yep
[08:02] <Burgundavia> done in a sec
[08:02] <poningru> couple of things with the massive merge from deb title 
[08:02] <poningru> and the disk analyzer attachement
[08:03] <elkbuntu> do you need me to re-shadow things?
[08:03] <Burgundavia> nope, got it
[08:03] <Burgundavia> yours to edit
[08:03] <poningru> kk
[08:05] <poningru> done
[08:05] <poningru> too many pics
[08:05] <poningru> err screenies
[08:05] <Burgundavia> yep, I know
[08:05] <poningru> larger ones without dropshadows
[08:05] <Burgundavia> I am making them links soon
[08:06] <poningru> cool
[08:07] <Burgundavia> ping me when you are done
[08:17] <poningru> Burgundavia: err I really dont have anything else to...
[08:18] <Burgundavia> right, I thought you were editing
[08:22] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, if you're editing, un-bold the ataxx line
[08:31] <elkbuntu> rjian[out] , please please please, disable away messages
[08:50] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: editing done, please check
[08:51] <elkbuntu> You can find out more about Ubuntu on our [WWW]  website, [irc://irc.freenode.net:6667/ubuntu IRC channel]  and [WWW]  wiki.
[08:51] <elkbuntu> that doesnt look right...
[08:52] <Burgundavia> you fixing it?
[08:53] <elkbuntu> not yet, go for it
[08:58] <Burgundavia> nixternal: kubuntu herd page ready?
[08:59] <nixternal> yes
[08:59] <nixternal> been ready..but there is no Kubuntu Herd 1 ;(
[09:00] <Burgundavia> nope, but that gave us time to whip up a Ubuntu Herd 1 page
[09:00] <nixternal> hehe
[09:00] <nixternal> at least there is a Herd 1 image for Ubuntu and Edubuntu
[09:01] <poningru> elkbuntu: sorry what was wrong with it?
[09:01] <poningru> the irc thing? or the [WWW] 
[09:01] <elkbuntu> poningru, irc thing
[09:01] <elkbuntu> moin didnt parse it
[09:04] <Burgundavia> ok, now the page has the same byline as the UWN
[09:06] <Burgundavia> I need to sleep, so final checks
[09:06] <poningru> hmm
[09:07] <poningru> lame
[09:08] <poningru> there is no HERD1?
[09:08] <poningru> for kubuntu
[03:08] <atoponce> not exactly tactful, but funny nonetheless: http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/518/tagthemoneyul8.jpg
[03:13] <atoponce> some more spread ubuntu stuff: http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=2300&cat=500&ppuser=71909
[03:20] <dgold> why the differentiation of LiveCD vs Install - isn't current terminology Desktop vs Alternate?
[04:27] <dgold> reading the marketing pages on launchpad/wiki - there were surveys being done, with imput date in early October.
[04:27] <dgold> There doesn't appear to be a results date for those...
[04:30] <atoponce> seems to me elkbuntu released the results of that survey?
[04:32] <atoponce> maybe not
[04:44] <dgold> can't see results liked anywhere
[04:49] <dgold> the MarketingSurvey wiki sill shows ?? for any results/analysis
[05:41] <tonyyarusso> atoponce, dgold: She's still processing them (slowly - busy person).
[05:42] <somerville32> _o/
[05:57] <Admiral_Chicago> poningru: there should be
[05:57] <poningru> what?
[05:58] <poningru> wow good timing
[05:58] <Admiral_Chicago> kubuntu herd 1
[06:12] <jenda> yo, MitchM, somerville32... others ;)
[06:12] <somerville32> Heya Jenda
[06:12] <MitchM> hey jenda 
[06:12] <somerville32> no posters yet <g>
[06:12] <jenda> aww
[06:12] <jenda> they'll get there ;)
[06:12] <poningru> oh hehe
[06:12] <MitchM> jenda, Whats up?
[06:12] <jenda> atoponce: those are old SU designs
[06:12] <jenda> at the time, SU had a sligthly different goal, I think.
[06:13] <jenda> But something of that sort would still have its use, I think.
[06:13] <jenda> MitchM: lots, and not much at the same time :)
[06:13] <MitchM> =) well -- sounds just about right to me
[06:17] <atoponce> http://blog.josephhall.com/2006/11/sugar-cookies.html   ubuntu sugar cookies
[06:17] <atoponce> recipe and all
[06:17] <jenda> omg 
[06:19] <atoponce> nice, eh?
[06:19] <jenda> For the unindoctrinated, wheat flour contains two proteins: gliadin and glutenin. When these two proteins get together and get wet, they turn into gluten. And the more gluten is worked (via mixing, kneading, etc), the more elastic it gets, which of course makes it chewier.
[06:19] <jenda> I've never seen such a geeky recipe, but it fits ;)
[06:20] <atoponce> he's from our LoCo Team. he is a *major* geek
[06:20] <atoponce> and a fabulous cook
[06:21] <jenda> But if I ever even thought of doing Ubuntu cookies, I think most of my RL friends would abandon me :-D
[06:21] <jenda> (for being too much of a geek)
[06:22] <atoponce> http://blog.josephhall.com/2006/11/tux-cookies.html   try that on for size.  
[06:23] <atoponce> and last, but not least http://blog.josephhall.com/2006/11/firefox-cookies.html
[06:24] <atoponce> anyway, i'll add the ubuntu cookies to the wiki
[06:24] <jenda> haha :) beautiful :)
[06:25] <jenda> the firefox cookies are crazy. really.
[06:27] <jenda> that guy... is just professional.
[06:27] <jenda> atoponce: how long do cookies like that last?
[06:27] <jenda> He should sell them by mail-order.
[06:27] <jenda> :-D
[06:31] <atoponce> jenda: cookies like that wouldn't last long in my household
[06:31] <atoponce> they'd be eaten in no time
[06:31] <jenda> hehe :) mine too.
[06:32] <atoponce> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/community/parentalcontrols.mspx   something is wrong with that first screenshot
[06:33] <atoponce> s/wrong/funny/
[06:33] <lotusleaf> bah, I wish I could go one day without reading the word Microsoft, oops, there it is again! :P
[06:38] <jenda> atoponce: ROFLMAO
[06:38] <jenda> that is one hell of a secure computer.
[06:44] <atoponce> yeah. especially for parental controls
[06:44] <atoponce> you'd think that they would be more careful with what screenshots they put on their website
[06:45] <atoponce> but, i've said it before, and i'll say it again.  you can fix all the bugs and security holes that you want, but if you are not implementing basic security practices in your operating system, then how in the world can you expect your users to practice security???