[12:21] <amnesia> re
[12:23] <amnesia> pbuilder doesn't want to build my package, probably because it has - in the name
[12:23] <amnesia> is that normal? -dev packages have - too
[12:24] <Lathiat> - is fine, whats the error?
[12:24] <amnesia> I have an output of ~15 lines from it, where should I paste it
[12:24] <amnesia> dpkg-deb: building package `ircp-tray' in `../ircp-tray_0.6.1-1_i386.deb'.
[12:24] <amnesia> tar: -: file name read contains nul character
[12:24] <amnesia> these should suffice too..
[12:25] <Lathiat> hrm not sure sorry
[12:25] <amnesia> the .deb is not created, but everything else seems to be okay
[12:26] <geser> amnesia: I've seen the warning from tar also sometimes but it did build
[12:26] <geser> it must be something else
[12:26] <amnesia> geser: okay, but no errors afterwards
[12:27] <geser> have you looked in /var/cache/pbuilder/results/ for the debs?
[12:27] <Lathiat> annoys me hunting for deb sin /results/
[12:27] <amnesia> geser is right
[12:27] <amnesia> but why did it tell me to look in ../
[12:28] <Lathiat> that path is not relative to where you starrt
[12:28] <amnesia> grrrr
[12:28] <geser> it's from inside the chroot
[12:28] <amnesia> or as the french say. aarrrrggh
[12:28] <geser> they get copied to results before the chroot is destroyed
[12:28] <amnesia> (from a king of queens episode)
[12:28] <amnesia> so it actually realy built, thanks
[12:29] <amnesia> now to upload to REVU, and have somebody doublecheck it...
[12:30] <amnesia> do I really need to do only: dput -P ircp-tray_0.6.1-1_source.changes
[12:31] <geser> make sure you upload to revu and not the archive :)
[12:32] <amnesia> I don't think I can do that
[12:33] <amnesia> first timer here
[12:34] <amnesia> ok I ctrl-c'ed the last upload and it doesn't like me now... :)
[12:34] <geser> as I didn't upload to revu myself yet, I can't help you
[12:34] <amnesia> ok, thanks anyway
[12:35] <Adri2000> amnesia: what is the problem?
[12:35] <rmjb> check your /etc/dput.cf file, make sure [revu]  is the default
[12:35] <amnesia> Uploading via ftp ircp-tray_0.6.1-1.dsc: Error '553 Could not create file
[12:35] <amnesia> rmjb: it is thanks
[12:35] <Adri2000> hmm
[12:36] <amnesia> Adri2000: it suggests to use dcut
[12:36] <amnesia> trying..
[12:36] <Adri2000> I don't know what dcut is
[12:36] <Adri2000> but you can try dput -f
[12:36] <amnesia> same
[12:38] <rmjb> umm... you've added your key to the revu uploaders?
[12:38] <amnesia> Note: This problem might be caused by files already existent on the server.
[12:39] <amnesia> For the official Debian upload queues, the dcut(1) utility can be used to remove stale files from unsuccessful uploads.
[12:39] <amnesia> that doesn't help either...ok, Google
[12:43] <amnesia> LaserJock: what happens when I cancelled an upload an getting the above messages
[12:43] <amnesia> I should be able to overwrite it somehow I guess
[12:47] <amnesia> shit it's getting late, bye
[12:49] <VoX> guess he forgot about the time
[01:19] <TRiBiX> hi!
[01:20] <crimsun> ...and "Uninterupted [sic]  Ubuntu-holic Joy Time" is why he's part of the MOTU trinity
[01:20] <TRiBiX> i've change the shortcut keys and now the down key doesn't work
[01:20] <TRiBiX> any solution?
[01:21] <crimsun> TRiBiX: I'm sorry, to what packaging does that issue pertain?
[01:21] <LaserJock> sorry about the spelling
[01:21] <ajmitch> we can forgive you, LaserJock 
[01:22] <LaserJock> I'd feel much more like a PhD candidate if I could spell properly
[01:22] <LaserJock> ;-)
[01:22] <LaserJock> it's kinda hard to sound all impressive with such horrible spelling and grammar
[01:23] <ajmitch> don't worry, the weight of your words resounds throughout IRC & beyond
[01:23] <LaserJock> hahaha
[01:23] <LaserJock> what a joke
[01:24] <LaserJock> I do what I can, and probably more then I should
[01:24] <TRiBiX> crimsun ubuntu6.06
[01:24] <LaserJock> there are imminently more qualified people to do most of the things I do
[01:24] <ajmitch> not I
[01:24] <LaserJock> but somebodie's got to do the real work
[01:24] <crimsun> TRiBiX: I mean what specific portion of the packaging for that app?
[01:25] <Simon80> hey, anyone know how to get ld to find a library... say,  -llua50, if it's missing a .so symlink?
[01:25] <ajmitch> Simon80: the -dev package should provide it
[01:25] <TRiBiX> uf, I'm a beginner in linux, and I'm Spanish
[01:25] <Simon80> so then this is a bug?
[01:26] <TRiBiX> crimsun I don't understand you so well
[01:26] <Simon80> gonna double check, but I couldn't find a lua-dev package
[01:26] <ajmitch> Simon80: if it doesn't, then yes
[01:26] <ajmitch> liblua50-dev
[01:26] <Simon80> sweet
[01:26] <Simon80> laha, missed that, thanks
[01:26] <Simon80> saves me time
[01:27] <ajmitch> /usr/lib/liblua50.so
[01:27] <ajmitch> it's there
[01:27] <crimsun> TRiBiX: are a asking a packaging infrastructure question or a support question? If the latter, please use #ubuntu-es.
[01:27] <Simon80> yeah, I didn't know there was a -dev
[01:27] <crimsun> TRiBiX: are you asking, rather
[01:27] <Simon80> was looking for lua-dev
[01:27] <ajmitch> it should normally be SONAME-dev
[01:27] <ajmitch> like liblu50-dev
[01:27] <ajmitch> or often liblua-dev
[01:29] <TRiBiX> crimsun I changed shortcut key combination using a menu in the taskbar
[01:29] <Simon80> yeah, I think it's cause there's a lua package that I figured to look for lua-dev
[01:29] <crimsun> TRiBiX: ok, please use #ubuntu-es.
[01:32] <TRiBiX> crimsun ok, thanks much better xD
[01:36] <proppy> hoy !
[01:49] <LaserJock> argg, I just realized I was running Dapper
[01:50] <ajmitch> LaserJock: hm?
[01:50] <ajmitch> why is that a problem?
[01:50] <LaserJock> I thought I was on Edgy
[01:50] <LaserJock> it was feisty just yesterday :/
[01:51] <ajmitch> nice regressions
[01:51] <ajmitch> soon you'll be running warty
[01:51] <LaserJock> I know
[01:51] <LaserJock> I've never run warty
[01:51] <LaserJock> I should try it some time. are the .isos still around?
[01:51] <rmjb> LaserJock: i take it your got your hacked boxes back up then... even if it's a back in times box
[01:51] <ajmitch> probably on old-releases.u.c
[01:52] <LaserJock> well, it's a fresh install of whatever disk I had around
[01:52] <LaserJock> which happens to be Dapper
[01:52] <LaserJock> apparently
[01:52] <rmjb> shippit huh?
[01:52] <ajmitch> edgy cds are rare
[01:52] <ajmitch> I think they're at the bottom of my suitcase
[01:53] <rmjb> I've got one right here... says Pengo on the label :P
[01:53] <LaserJock> yeah, I didn't hang out long enough to grab one at Mt. View
[01:53] <ajmitch> unfortunate
[01:53] <LaserJock> yeah, I was looking forward to it
[01:57] <havoc> hey
[01:57] <havoc> chillywilly is on the phone asking me to ask you guys:  is there a kernel header package on the install CD?
[01:58] <havoc> I'm gonna guess not
[02:00] <ajmitch> no idea, maybe you could check
[02:00] <havoc> ajmitch: heh, you're the guy he said to ask, but I'm guessing not based on:  ftp://mirror.d-jacobs.com/ubuntu/edgy/ubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.list
[02:01] <ajmitch> I'm not at my box right now, I can't check
[02:02] <theCore> LaserJock, http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/warty/
[02:02] <havoc> how big is Edgy?
[02:03] <havoc> like a full mirror?
[02:03] <havoc> chillywilly is asking
[02:03] <theCore> havoc, just the main component is around 1.7GB
[02:03] <havoc> ah, that's not bad
[02:04] <theCore> havoc, universe is probably 5-10 times bigger
[02:08] <havoc> ok, chillywilly's gonna bring a box over, I need to mirror universe for him, where can I rsync it?
[02:10] <havoc> I can suck down ~20GB in no time
[02:10] <havoc> ok, he's changing his mind again
[02:10] <theCore> havoc, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[02:11] <havoc> theCore: thanx :)
[02:22] <havoc> chillywilly messed up his server, badly :(
[02:23] <ajmitch> poor chap
[02:23] <havoc> yeah, gonna be a long night
[02:23] <havoc> ...fir him
[02:23] <havoc> for him
[02:24] <havoc> he's got a dapper mirror on DVD so I need to get and burn a dapper ISO for him
[02:24] <Simon80> a mirror of universe, why didn' I think of that?
[02:25] <havoc> the issue is this server has the sangoma T1 card in it
[02:25] <havoc> and he has to build a wacked driver from source
[02:25] <havoc> and apparently it's been problematic in the past
[02:25] <Simon80> fun
[02:26] <havoc> and the machine is like an 80lb. Penguin Computing 3U machine, so it's not easily moved, or he'd just bring it here
[02:26] <havoc> dapper is 6.06?
[02:26] <Simon80> yeah
[02:26] <havoc> ok
[02:26] <Simon80> sheesh, stupid animal names
[02:26] <Simon80> lol
[02:27] <Simon80> my fave is when people say something like I'm using Dapper 6.06 LTS instead of Ubuntu 6.06 LTS, or Ubuntu 6.06 "Dapper Drake" LTS
[02:27] <Simon80> I like pbuilder, by the way, it's one thing gentoo doesn't have with ebuilds
[02:27] <Simon80> for dep checking
[02:28] <Simon80> I just generally love heavily automated things like that, and make distcheck that automake outputs
[02:28] <Simon80> automation is hot
[02:28] <Simon80> ...getting a bit off topic though
[02:28] <havoc> heh
[02:29] <havoc> I juest upgraded to 6.10 yesterday, I've been slackin
[02:29] <havoc> just
[02:29] <Simon80> meh, 6.10 is good and bad
[02:29] <Simon80> I don't like it when I can't install it cause of a "No root partition selected" bug
[02:29] <Simon80> nor do I like nautilus spinning my cpu time
[02:29] <havoc> I don't like FF2
[02:29] <Simon80> I do :)
[02:29] <havoc> but I'll learn to deal
[02:30] <Simon80> may be slow though, cpu wise, I'm not sure
[02:32] <havoc> I can't wait for the first Mozilla release of the flash plugin
[02:32] <havoc> maybe it won't suck
[02:32] <havoc> (now that Adobe gave them access to the source)
[02:32] <Simon80> umm... Adobe did no such thing, unless I missed big news
[02:32] <havoc> they did
[02:33] <havoc> a partial release anyway, not full source
[02:33] <Simon80> the source share you're probably thinking of involves a javascript interpreter
[02:33] <Simon80> NOT flash
[02:33] <havoc> for the purposes of producing a more stable flash plugin
[02:33] <havoc> ah, I thought it was for flash
[02:33] <Simon80> I did too, for a minute
[02:33] <havoc> guess not
[02:33] <Simon80> but I pay attention to news like that
[02:34] <havoc> I don't, so I'll take your word for it :)
[02:34] <havoc> I hate computers ;)
[02:34] <elkbuntu> http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/ <--havoc, read second post
[02:34] <Simon80> so I read it through, and after a while, I figured out that it wasn't flash... to be fair, it was kind of unclear
[02:35] <havoc> yay, they gave mozilla access to JS, woopty-fucking-do
[02:35] <Simon80> lol, I love it how he bluntly says, NO, they didn't open source flash, they didn't buy out mozilla, they didn't pledge to put Mitchell Baker on the Moon
[02:37] <Simon80> cd ffmpeg-0.4.9-pre1 && mkdir -p _inst/lib && ./configure --prefix=`pwd`/_inst && make installlib
[02:37] <Simon80> /bin/sh: ./configure: Permission denied
[02:38] <Simon80> ignore the dirtiness, all I'm asking is why permission is denied in pbuilder here, but not if I do a straight debuild
[02:38] <jdong> Simon80: is configure executable?
[02:39] <jdong> in the tarball
[02:39] <Simon80> oh, in the tarball? probably
[02:39] <Simon80> I really would know if it wasn't, I think
[02:39] <Simon80> good point, but I'm doubting it
[02:39] <Simon80> nevertheless, that may be a workaround
[02:40] <Simon80> screw it, I'll just add sh in front, see if that works around it
[02:40] <jdong> hehe :)
[02:40] <Simon80> I JUST WANT MY DAMN PACKAGE! lol
[02:41] <LaserJock> phew, just got done with the first meeting with my boss since "the break in"
[02:42] <Simon80> physical or network?
[02:42] <LaserJock> network
[02:43] <Simon80> ow
[02:43] <LaserJock> anyway, hopefully tomorrow the uni will unban my nic
[02:43] <Simon80> you're employed there?
[02:43] <LaserJock> grad student
[02:43] <Simon80> what happened, anyhow?
[02:43] <LaserJock> I forgot about a stupid test user I made
[02:44] <LaserJock> and normally I don't allow connections from outside the department
[02:44] <LaserJock> anyway
[02:44] <jdong> I used to question the feasibility of brute-forcing SSH accounts too :)
[02:44] <Simon80> yeah?
[02:44] <Simon80> indeed, that's kind of shitty, brute-forcing the acct AND pass
[02:44] <jdong> until my auth.log one day grew to 60MB before rotation :)
[02:45] <LaserJock> it's just sad because my boss is one of the bigges proponents of of *nix on campus
[02:45] <jdong> from then on, I put on fail2ban with every sshd I deploy...
[02:45] <LaserJock> and fits the IT guys all the time saying it's more secure
[02:45] <LaserJock> then *I* got and doe something stupid
[02:45] <LaserJock> s/doe/do/
[02:45] <Simon80> lol, yeah, I'd hate that, i'm a big linux proponent
[02:45] <jdong> LaserJock: do they honestly think their windows is any more secure?
[02:45] <LaserJock> yep
[02:45] <jdong> heh
[02:46] <LaserJock> cause they can install all kinda of crap on it to "protect" them
[02:46] <jdong> I remember at my high school a few months ago
[02:46] <jdong> we busted a kid with SYSTEM-account access
[02:46] <jdong> the most amusing part is how he did it....
[02:46] <jdong> priviledge escalation in symantec client security :)
[02:46] <Simon80> I hate windows so much, so dirty
[02:46] <jdong> the irony...
[02:47] <Simon80> the culture is dirty, the fs hierarchy is dirty
[02:47] <Simon80> basically the culture
[02:47] <jdong> the worst part is everything you try to do to 'secure' windows backfires :)
[02:47] <LaserJock> well, my boss was nice about it anyway and just said not to let it ever happen again
[02:47] <Simon80> it's like a bazaar, without the collaboration, people just do shit, it's this mishmash of crap all pasted onto an OS that is already a mishmash of crap
[02:48] <Simon80> so um, what was the acct:pass?
[02:48] <LaserJock> well, they weren't the same, but similar enough
[02:48] <LaserJock> that after attacking the snot out of my computer they got in
[02:49] <LaserJock> an auth log is really something to see
[02:49] <Simon80> yeah
[02:49] <Simon80> shit, my auth.log has fails in it
[02:49] <Simon80> what was that fail2ban?
[02:49] <LaserJock> we have an iMac here that I found 1 IP attacking sinc the 15th
[02:49] <jdong> Simon80: it looks through auth.log, anyone with >= X failed logins gets an iptables ban :)
[02:50] <Simon80> nice
[02:50] <jdong> yeah, currently on my home router, there's around 50 IP's blacklisted
[02:50] <Simon80> I don't even know how to do that myself
[02:50] <crimsun> jdong: addressing your earlier question: 2.6.19's emu10k1 has quite a few capture problems (in addition to the slew of hda-intel ones)
[02:50] <jdong> (and those bans lift every 10 minutes)
[02:50] <jdong> crimsun: I see, good to know
[02:50] <Simon80> lol
[02:51] <Simon80> holy fuck, 50 IPs in 10 mins?
[02:51] <jdong> yeah
[02:51] <Simon80> that's a lot of brute forcing
[02:51] <jdong> there's days that my connection simply gets flooded with SSH login attempts
[02:51] <jdong> my 5mbit downstream completely saturated
[02:51] <Simon80> that's not cool
[02:51] <jdong> not at all
[02:51] <Lathiat> really?
[02:51] <jdong> yeah
[02:51] <Lathiat> i've never seen it that bad
[02:51] <jdong> it's terrible
[02:51] <Simon80> you should start using some doorman style obfuscation
[02:51] <Lathiat> i get attempts all the time
[02:51] <Lathiat> but its nothing horrid
[02:52] <Simon80> so they don't know you're using ssh
[02:52] <Lathiat> certainly wouldnt use more than about 50-100kbit/s
[02:52] <jdong> Lathiat: sure the usual attempt here and there, but some bad days....
[02:52] <Lathiat> i was on dialup.. with a /24 routed down it... that didn't work so well
[02:52] <crimsun> terrible is 1000 Mb/s of DDoS at your machine.
[02:52] <Lathiat> ate the entire link with just noise
[02:52] <Lathiat> ;p
[02:52] <jdong> I've even got a daemon that looks for incoming service abuse and goes out for a new DHCP IP if it gets bad :)
[02:52] <Lathiat> heh
[02:52] <jdong> though it's kinda irritating when a LAN system is in the middle of a download :D
[02:52] <Lathiat> haha
[02:52] <Lathiat> would be
[02:53] <Lathiat> why dont you just firewall them? ;p
[02:53] <Lathiat> i find this usefull:
[02:53] <jdong> lol
[02:53] <jdong> idn if it's just my ISP, but the network I'm on is hostile
[02:53] <Lathiat> $IPT -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -m state --state NEW -m recent --set --name SSH
[02:53] <Lathiat> $IPT -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -m state --state NEW -m recent --update --seconds 60 --hitcount 10 --rttl --name SSH -j DROP
[02:53] <Simon80> you can't save the bandwidth by firewalling, dude
[02:53] <Lathiat> Simon80: yer but its no worse than them hitting an ip thats not in use...
[02:53] <jdong> I once installed snort on my gateway for kicks
[02:54] <jdong> but had to disable it because it filled up /var too fast :)
[02:54] <Simon80> lol
[02:54] <jdong> windows boxes... plug a unpatched SP1 directly to the cable modem, it'll BSOD in less than 15 seconds
[02:54] <jdong> and boot up with a few hundred extra desktop icons :)
[02:54] <Simon80> lol
[02:54] <Simon80> I find that horrible
[02:55] <jdong> yeah, it is awful
[02:55] <Simon80> 15 secs though? you sure? lol
[02:55] <Simon80> average, I mean
[02:55] <jdong> 15 secs tops
[02:55] <Simon80> is it that low now?
[02:55] <Simon80> that's insane
[02:55] <Simon80> that's funny
[02:55] <jdong> I've forgotten to unplug the cable a few times when reformatting my XP boxes
[02:55] <Simon80> you could have a race, lol
[02:55] <jdong> the setup can't even finish before it's attacked
[02:56] <Simon80> what? the setup? you mean like the post reboot stuff, right?
[02:56] <Simon80> like, not off the install CD
[02:56] <jdong> Simon80: no, off the install CD
[02:56] <jdong> Simon80: setup goes out for a DHCP when it detecs the NIC
[02:56] <jdong> around 10 minutes before install usually finishes and goes for the final reboot
[02:56] <Simon80> lol, the installer has enough windows on it to get owned then?
[02:57] <jdong> yep
[02:57] <Simon80> hahaha
[02:57] <Simon80> can't say ubuntu's any better, but at least you get something that is as good, not just as insecure
[02:57] <jdong> the most interesting thing you can do is install a good windows IDS like BlackICE and connect the system to the public network
[02:57] <Simon80> for the logs?
[02:57] <jdong> you get so many interesting signature hits
[02:58] <jdong> I still renew my blackice licenses for that alone :)
[02:58] <LaserJock> geeze, I'm never going to use a network again ;/
[02:58] <Simon80> lol
[02:58] <jdong> :)
[03:04] <LaserJock> my gosh, I'm upgrading to edgy at ~ 1.2 M/s
[03:04] <LaserJock> normally it's like 30k
[03:04] <Simon80> that's nice, I guess
[03:05] <Simon80> you sure you're not pulling from the CD?
[03:05] <Simon80> :)
[03:05] <LaserJock> yeah
[03:05] <LaserJock> I don't have an edgy cd right now
[03:05] <jdong> whee :)
[03:05] <LaserJock> I should burn one I suppose
[03:05] <jdong> I only get that from my apt-cacher :)
[03:05] <Simon80> I tried to share the DVD over NFS to my little sister's machine but it wasn't very reliable
[03:05] <Simon80> would stop working every once in a while, interfering with the update
[03:06] <jdong> and through all the backporting I've been doing I wouldn't be surprised if my apt-cacher is nearly a complete mirror :D
[03:06] <LaserJock> heh
[03:06] <jdong>  Requests 	19240 (70.63%)
[03:06] <jdong> cache hit rate :)
[03:06] <jdong> 60% for actual packages
[03:07] <Simon80> apt-cacher?
[03:07] <Simon80> as in a caching proxy repository
[03:07] <Simon80> ?
[03:08] <jdong> Simon80: correct
[03:09] <jdong> Simon80: as in I'd specify deb http://gateway/apt-cacher/archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy ......
[03:09] <Simon80> is there software for that or is it a custom job?
[03:09] <jdong> Simon80: it's in APT
[03:09] <jdong> apt-cacher
[03:09] <Simon80> ahhh
[03:09] <Simon80> cool
[03:09] <jdong> it can either register as CGI with apache
[03:09] <jdong> or run on its own port 
[03:09] <jdong> it's really really handy if you have multiple ubuntu boxes on a LAN
[03:10] <jdong> for backports I have to keep my feisty deb-src pretty fresh and apt-cacher helps prevent me from hammering archive.u.c too much :)
[03:11] <jdong> jdong@jdong-laptop:~/src/ktorrent$ ssh server du -sh /var/cache/apt-cacher
[03:11] <jdong> 1.9G    /var/cache/apt-cacher
[03:11] <jdong> actually, the cache is a lot smaller than I expected
[03:18] <LaserJock> oh geeze, Ubuntu Christmas Edition
[03:19] <LaserJock> 3.2GB DVD based off of Feisty
[03:19] <LaserJock> what a present :/
[03:19] <jdong> LaserJock: so they included emacs?
[03:20] <LaserJock> jdong: not even emacs is that big
[03:20] <LaserJock> well, maybe will all the standard goodies included ;-)
[03:20] <jdong> :)
[03:20] <jdong> but I'd actually like a comprehensive ubuntu dvd at times :)
[03:20] <VoX> 3.2gb?
[03:20] <ajmitch> LaserJock: automatix, lots of illegal codec, etc
[03:20] <VoX> damn
[03:21] <jdong> ajmitch: linux mint is actually a bit handy :D
[03:21] <LaserJock> ajmitch: automatix bleeder, even arnie said not to use it :-)
[03:21] <ajmitch> various other things that are illegal to distribute
[03:21] <jdong> I want my dang wmv's ;-)
[03:23] <jdong> "DHT: Got -4294967295 potential peers for torrent ...."
[03:23] <jdong> hmm, gee....
[03:24] <jdong> guess the database is taking back some of the peers it gave me over the past year....
[03:24] <VoX> heh
[03:24] <jdong> now, 10 bucks says I won't be able to reproduce this again :)
[03:27] <jdong> aha! stupid LAN peer finder
[03:27] <jdong> wait no... unofficial plugin...
[03:31] <LaserJock> heh, this guy said he was finished building a GUI when he got his glade file done :-)
[03:31] <LaserJock> this is so much fun
[03:31] <Simon80> lol
[03:32] <jdong> ok, swapfiles over smbfs are obviously not smart.....
[03:33] <Simon80> lol
[03:33] <Simon80> networked swap in general is probably not a great idea, I  would imagine
[03:33] <jdong> you know curiousity just begs you to try it :D
[03:34] <Simon80> lol
[03:34] <Simon80> I had an NFS home directory at the job before my current
[03:35] <Simon80> 1TB of free space on it too
[03:35] <Simon80> not that I used anything more than small amounts of space
[03:35] <LaserJock> jdong: heh, I'm glad somebody tests these things
[03:35] <LaserJock> and I'm glad it's not me
[03:35] <jdong> lol
[03:42] <LaserJock> ajmitch: you ever use equivs?
[03:43] <ajmitch> nope
[03:43] <LaserJock> hmm, this sounds so promising: "NOTE: this should be considered a crude hack to work around awkward situations, not a normal solution."
[03:44] <ajmitch> it is a hack
[03:44] <LaserJock> apparently it's a hacky way of creating meta packages
[03:44] <ajmitch> you're basically saying that the package is installed, without the benefits of dpkg tracking the package contents
[03:47] <LaserJock> yeah, I got that part, I just wondered if it spit out a decent beginner's metapackage
[03:48] <ajmitch> I think it spits out a binary package with Provides:
[03:51] <Simon80> anyone here using ccache with pbuilder?
[03:52] <Simon80> I just got that working... so I feel like spreading the word, because everyone should use ccache, it's that good
[03:53] <ajmitch> Simon80: sure, have been for months
[03:53] <Simon80> good stuff
[03:54] <LaserJock> hmm, I'm not sure if it would be much help for me
[03:54] <Simon80> it's awesome nonetheless
[03:54] <LaserJock> sure
[03:55] <LaserJock> I used to use ccache with Gentoo
[03:55] <Simon80> yeah, me too
[03:55] <Simon80> once I started packaging
[03:55] <ajmitch> it's helpful for recompiling packages, like when you make a fix & recompile several times
[03:55] <LaserJock> you're talking to a raging Ubuntu-holic MOTU here
[03:55] <LaserJock> I don't recompile
[03:55] <LaserJock> ;-)
[03:56] <ajmitch> ah sorry
[03:56] <LaserJock> heh
[03:56] <Simon80> sure you don't, lol
[03:56] <ajmitch> you don't compile, you just upload & it works every time
[03:56] <LaserJock> yep
[03:56] <LaserJock> wave my hands over the debdiff
[03:56] <LaserJock> "bugs be GONE!"
[03:57] <joejaxx> anyone here know how to use quilt?
[03:58] <LaserJock> not particularly
[03:58] <joejaxx> oh ok
[03:58] <jdong> LaserJock: I thought it was "THE POWERS OF APT COMPELL YOU" * 2
[03:58] <LaserJock> you should check the patching motu school session though
[03:58] <LaserJock> jdong: not necessary, yet
[03:58] <LaserJock> if it was a kernel yeah
[03:58] <joejaxx> LaserJock: they talk about quilt?
[03:59] <ajmitch> bhale: hm?
[03:59] <bhale> ajmitch: hm. ;)
[03:59] <bhale> kidding
[03:59] <bhale> im playing the spayne
[03:59] <ajmitch> bhale: surely you can't be wanting it right now..
[03:59] <LaserJock> joejaxx: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PatchingSources
[03:59] <ajmitch> x86 or amd64?
[03:59] <LaserJock> joejaxx: at the bottom
[04:00] <bhale> ajmitch: I could care less :)
[04:00] <ajmitch> figured
[04:00] <bhale> will get it when you upload
[04:00] <bhale> i run most things from cvs
[04:00] <LaserJock> pitti's patching MOTU School lesson was awesome
[04:00] <ajmitch> tonight
[04:00] <bhale> lovely
[04:00] <ajmitch> package is there, I haven't tested the importing though
[04:00] <ajmitch> I have to find my camera & cable
[04:00] <LaserJock> I have a hard time with cvs
[04:00] <joejaxx> LaserJock: thanks :)
[04:01] <LaserJock> it's a real drag when you started with bzr and then svn and then cvs
[04:02] <LaserJock> joejaxx: I think I also put that in the Edgy packaging guide, btw
[04:02] <joejaxx> ah ok
[04:02] <joejaxx> i will look at that also
[04:02] <LaserJock> well, it's pretty much the same thing
[04:02] <ajmitch> you should look at that first
[04:02] <LaserJock> I don't actually "write" anything
[04:02] <ajmitch> packaging guide is good
[04:02] <LaserJock> I just steal from all the dieties
[04:02] <ajmitch> LaserJock doesn't need to write, he speaks, and words appear
[04:02] <LaserJock> hah
[04:03] <LaserJock> if only
[04:03] <LaserJock> that bugger took a lot of time during Dapper
[04:03] <jdong> ajmitch: I've tried something like that before.... but the words weren't what I spoke....
[04:03] <jdong> and to make it work apparently I had to read alice in wonderland to my PC
[04:03] <LaserJock> if only I can get the Ubuntu Developer's Reference written  :/
[04:05] <LaserJock> it'd be nice to have something solid rather then "what's on the wiki today?"
[04:05] <bhale> yes.
[04:06] <ajmitch> over 20 different wiki pages
[04:06] <LaserJock> yep
[04:07] <LaserJock> well, I'm hoping Debian converts their Developer's Reference to docbook soon
[04:07] <bhale> we wrote the mono policy in docbook
[04:07] <bhale> well, it was sgml i think
[04:07] <LaserJock> as I'm not keen on figuring out how to deal with debiandoc 
[04:07] <bhale> some kind of markup -> transform
[04:07] <bhale> it was easy enough
[04:08] <LaserJock> we use docbook XML for all the docs in the doc team
[04:08] <LaserJock> so it's what I know
[04:08] <LaserJock> and an docbook version of the Debian Developer's Reference exists
[04:08] <LaserJock> but I don't think they've switched over yet
[04:08] <bhale> <!doctype debiandoc public "-//DebianDoc//DTD DebianDoc//EN"> <book>
[04:08] <bhale> if I can write that, you cna too
[04:08] <LaserJock> well, it's not so much writing
[04:09] <LaserJock> but making sure translations, etc. work out ok
[04:09] <bhale> I see
[04:09] <LaserJock> I'd like to put it on Rosetta
[04:09] <LaserJock> etc.
[04:09] <LaserJock> and it also means I can't us the doc teams existing docbook tools
[04:09] <LaserJock> not a big deal but if they are going to docbook it'd make my life a little easier
[04:10] <bhale> we arent that well equipped to help developers who dont speak english
[04:10] <LaserJock> yeah
[04:10] <bhale> i guess it is nice to read the doc in your own language anyway
[04:10] <joejaxx> LaserJock: is there a ubuntu patch?
[04:10] <LaserJock> the packaging guide is completely translated into Korean though :-)
[04:10] <joejaxx> that i can apply to a vanilla kernel?
[04:11] <LaserJock> heh
[04:11] <LaserJock> how the heck would I know?
[04:11] <LaserJock> I don't know *everything* ;-)
[04:11] <joejaxx> oh ok :)
[04:11] <LaserJock> I think the Ubuntu patches are around somewhere
[04:11] <Simon80> jdong: you were right about my configure script perms, it was in the diff, so pbuilder unpacks, ne exec perms
[04:11] <Simon80> no*
[04:12] <jdong> Simon80: ah :)
[04:12] <Simon80> just dawned on me
[04:12] <jdong> Simon80: I was right only because I was puzzled by similar issues before ;-)
[04:12] <LaserJock> mhm
[04:12] <jdong> trust me... I've made every "no duh" mistake there is
[04:13] <Simon80> cool
[04:13] <Simon80> I'll just bug you about them then ;)
[04:13] <LaserJock> jdong: that reminds me, you going to apply for MOTU when Council Greyskull gets going? :-)
[04:13] <jdong> what do you mean by that?
[04:14] <LaserJock> you've been doing a lot of backporting
[04:14] <LaserJock> and hanging out here
[04:14] <LaserJock> you should apply for MOTUship
[04:14] <bddebian> Council Greyskull?  WTF? :-)
[04:14] <jdong> well, I need more credentials :)
[04:15] <jdong> I will go for MOTU at some point :)
[04:15] <jdong> as soon as I run out of excuses
[04:15] <LaserJock> heh
[04:15] <LaserJock> bddebian: of course, led by Prince dholbach
[04:15] <chillywilly> http://rafb.net/paste/results/hnx7Lb50.html
[04:15] <chillywilly> Can anyone help with that?
[04:16] <bddebian> LaserJock: Hehe
[04:16] <chillywilly> that system is really broken now :(
[04:16] <chillywilly> dist-upgrade to edgy for amd64 server
[04:16] <LaserJock> somehow we'll find bhale's sword again, probably on ebay
[04:16] <LaserJock> and then we'll be good to go
[04:16] <bddebian> hehe
[04:16] <bddebian> chillywilly: gen-locales?
[04:17] <bddebian> Or whatever the hell it's called
[04:17] <bhale> dholbach can have it, i dont have time for meetings at all hours of the day
[04:17] <chillywilly> otherwise I have to rebuild the whole box and I'll be up all night
[04:17] <LaserJock> bhale: yeah, meetings are such a pain
[04:17] <bddebian> locale-gen?
[04:17] <bddebian> Gah, I can never freakin' remember
[04:18] <chillywilly> no dice
[04:18] <LaserJock> ok, bbl. my edgy upgrade is finished
[04:18] <bddebian> Later LaserJock
[04:18] <chillywilly> you think it's dying just because of the locale?
[04:18] <ajmitch> no, that's a warning
[04:18] <bhale> LC_ALL=C yourcommand
[04:18] <chillywilly> locale-gen is working
[04:19] <chillywilly> it still dumps core
[04:19] <chillywilly> just doesn't bitch about locales anymore ;)
[04:22] <imbrandon> ello all
[04:23] <chillywilly> http://rafb.net/paste/results/zHMaBl92.html
[04:24] <bhale> hi imbrandon 
[04:24] <chillywilly> any possible way I can work around installing that package?
[04:26] <jdong> imbrandon: so how are you doing today? :)
[04:27] <ajmitch> hi imbrandon 
[04:27] <imbrandon> tired, still adjusting to my new schedule, fighting the snowy weather storms and still fighting that fskin windows box
[04:27] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch bhale 
[04:27] <bddebian> Heya imbrandon
[04:27] <imbrandon> heya bddebian 
[04:28] <jdong> imbrandon: the windows box is still tormenting you?
[04:28] <imbrandon> well i got it to a fixable stage last night and left it for the weekend
[04:28] <jdong> imbrandon: come over to my place and plug it in directly to my cable modem.... it'll die a quick pain-free death :)
[04:28] <imbrandon> :)
[04:28] <imbrandon> lol
[04:29] <imbrandon> i have one last thing to try on it saturday when i'm not dead tired, then i'm going to fsk the disk and load ubuntu on it , skin it like windows ( with my theme ) and hope my stepdad ( its his box ) dont whinge too much
[04:30] <imbrandon> i might do that anyhow, just because i hate supporting windows ( much less supporting windows for free { family } )
[04:30] <jdong> lol
[04:30] <jdong> I know how you feel...
[04:30] <jdong> I've got parents who insist on MS products too
[04:30] <jdong> worst of all they insist on using IE and Outlook
[04:31] <imbrandon> well if he wasent 67 years old , i wouldent feel so bad about it
[04:31] <imbrandon> but i hate to make him relearn it , honstly , but man-o-man their is a limmit to everyting
[04:32] <jdong> strangely enough I've gotten pretty competent at repairing borked windows boxes....
[04:32] <imbrandon> anyhow , hows things in the MOTU world, i've kinda been MIA the last 4 days ( only on and off ) untill i can get my body on the right time
[04:33] <imbrandon> jdong: well i used to think i was, even prided myself on it, but after this i dont wanna tuch another broken windows box
[04:33] <imbrandon> touch*
[04:33] <jdong> :)
[04:34] <imbrandon> this new job rocks, and i'll actualy have alot more free time that i thought ( and time at work to work on kubuntu ) but i need to get my body in the right state, man i'm just so fskin beat when i get home because i'm not used to being awake at those hours
[04:34] <imbrandon> s/that/than
[04:34] <Simon80> what job?
[04:35] <Simon80> I want a job that lets me work on FOSS :)
[04:35] <imbrandon> Simon80: i started a new job last monday ( a sysadmin at a NOC )
[04:35] <Simon80> NOC?
[04:35] <rrittenhouse> Simon80, heck yea.
[04:35] <imbrandon> network operations center
[04:35] <Simon80> oh
[04:36] <imbrandon> we host walmart.com and sprint.com , visa.com ( and their transation stuff ) and a few other high profile stuff
[04:36] <imbrandon> i get to sit and update and keep ubuntu servers secure all day ( and migrate a few remaning ones from centos to ubuntu )
[04:37] <ajmitch> imbrandon: yes, we hates you
[04:37] <imbrandon> plus i have time aloted each day paid to package etc etc etc
[04:37] <imbrandon> :)
[04:38] <imbrandon> ajmitch: i got my ip and port assignment for the employee rack today, now just need to grab a rack case :)
[04:39] <imbrandon> ( has to fit into a 2u slot ) , other than that no restrictions 
[04:39] <imbrandon> s/rack/rack\ mount/
[04:40] <imbrandon> then imbrandon.com gets an upgrade to a co-lo box , woohoo
[04:41] <imbrandon> hrm
[04:41] <Simon80> sweet
[04:42] <Simon80> I'm at the stage where a co-lo would be nice for me
[04:42] <Simon80> but I dunno how to shop for 2u boxen
[04:42] <Simon80> though, lol, that'd be like a fancy car for me, get a shiny new Ultrasparc-T2 or something
[04:42] <Simon80> not that I would, I'm also cheap
[04:42] <ajmitch> imbrandon: so get me a job, will you? :)
[04:43] <imbrandon> ajmitch: :) , i need to get some time in^W^W pull , then i can :)
[04:43] <imbrandon> Simon80: http://froogle.google.com/froogle?btnG=Search+Froogle&q=2u+rackmount+cases
[04:43] <ajmitch> hehe
[04:44] <imbrandon> Simon80: ~150-250 USD depending
[04:44] <imbrandon> on style , features , etc
[04:44] <Simon80> inc. mobo?
[04:44] <imbrandon> no, just case
[04:44] <Simon80> :(
[04:44] <Simon80> so wouldn't fitting stuff in pose issues?
[04:45] <imbrandon> in a 2u , yes, in a 4u case, standard desktop stuff fits
[04:45] <Simon80> 4u is huge though
[04:45] <imbrandon> 2u you have to get a special psu, low profile fans, low pci , etc etc etc
[04:45] <imbrandon> same with 1u
[04:45] <Simon80> exactly, how do you shop for that?
[04:45] <imbrandon> afaik there is no 3u
[04:46] <imbrandon> Simon80: froogle, newegg, etc etc etc
[04:46] <Simon80> sounds hard :(
[04:46] <Simon80> I live in Canada, too
[04:46] <imbrandon> compusa, almost any computer shop thats not ONLY desktops will have the stuff
[04:46] <Simon80> ah, like my 770
[04:46] <Simon80> stupid being in Canada...
[04:47] <Simon80> least our gov't... nvm
[04:47] <Simon80> lol
[04:47] <Simon80> least our PM looks tight in a mumu
[04:48] <imbrandon> your what in a who ?
[04:48] <bddebian> Their prime minister in a skirt ;-P
[04:49] <imbrandon> ahh
[04:50] <jdong> bddebian: that's what I first read it as... I was hoping I was crazy...
[04:50] <jdong> like the other day trying t o understand what "blurg" meant :D
[04:51] <jdong> apparently it's not "a small little known organ in the human body, located slightly medial and dorsal to the vermiform appendix, also referred to as the "love muffin.""
[04:51] <imbrandon> isnt the canada PM a guy ? quote from www.pm.gc.ca "Prime Minister Stephen Harper today announced that Canadas New Government is....."
[04:52] <Simon80> yes
[04:52] <Simon80> but have you seen him an a mumu?
[04:52] <imbrandon> ummm, ok now i'm a tad lost ...... no
[04:53] <imbrandon> i'm not exactly sure what a "mumu" is :)
[04:53] <Simon80> I'll try to find the relevant rick mercer clip
[04:53] <Simon80> nothing outlandish about him in a mumu, it's what was said about it that was funny
[04:53] <imbrandon> heh ok, btw and rick mercer is .... ?
[04:54] <Simon80> one sec
[04:54] <imbrandon> hehe ok
[04:54] <imbrandon> brb mt dew withdraw
[04:54] <imbrandon> fridge run
[04:54] <Simon80> http://www.cbc.ca/mercerreport/videos/china_vs_canada.mov
[04:55] <Simon80> rick mercer is Canada's answer to comedy
[05:00] <imbrandon> ahh
[05:20] <Simon80> so, um, if lintian warns of a menu item not in xpm format, I need to fix that befure the package has a chance, right?
[05:20] <Burgundavia> yay! compiz bugs!
[05:20] <Simon80> anyone?
[05:28] <joejaxx> welcome back LaserJock 
[05:28] <jbailey> Mmm, so I haven't done a universe upload in ages, how do I tell if someone is working on a merge or not? =)
[05:28] <ajmitch> hey jeff
[05:28] <ajmitch> which merge?
[05:29] <ajmitch> or do you just have copious spare time?
[05:29] <jbailey> ajmitch: frozen-bubble =)
[05:29] <ajmitch> hehe
[05:29] <jbailey> The ubuntu patch is a really trivial one.
[05:29] <ajmitch> I think StevenK may have been looking at that, or fujitsu
[05:29] <jbailey> And can probably be discarded.
[05:29] <jbailey> But I haven't confirmed that yet, it's just a .desktop file.
[05:30] <Simon80> so um, like I said, if lintian complains about a menu icon not in xpm format, I have to fix that right?
[05:30] <ajmitch> yes, StevenK 
[05:30] <jbailey> ajmitch: So I have to just be patient and be careful when upgrading my wife's machine to feisty? =)
[05:31] <ajmitch> of course :)
[05:31] <ajmitch> ah, StevenK was asking if loic was seen around
[05:31] <ajmitch> if you upload f-b, I'm sure not too many people will complain
[05:32] <ajmitch> Simon80: it's a warning, I don't know if it's particularly required to have it in xpm format
[05:33] <ajmitch> you could probably convert an icon to xpm fairly easily
[05:33] <jbailey> ajmitch: Depends on the window manager.
[05:33] <jbailey> ajmitch: Some cope with png/svg and friends.
[05:33] <jbailey> Some don't.
[05:33] <ajmitch> true
[05:33] <jbailey> I'd probably ignore the warning, myself...
[05:33] <Simon80> only, it
[05:34] <Simon80> 's not a warning
[05:34] <Simon80> :(
[05:34] <Simon80> it's ok, though, pngtopnm|ppmtoxpm > stepmania.xpm seems to work accorrding to eog
[05:34] <Simon80> W: stepmania: binary-without-manpage stepmania
[05:34] <Simon80> W: stepmania: extra-license-file usr/share/doc/stepmania/Copying.txt.gz
[05:34] <Simon80> E: stepmania: file-directly-in-usr-share usr/share/applications
[05:34] <Simon80> E: stepmania: menu-icon-not-in-xpm-format /usr/share/pixmaps/stepmania.png
[05:34] <Simon80> W: stepmania: extended-description-line-too-long
[05:34] <Simon80> W: stepmania: extended-description-line-too-long
[05:35] <Simon80> I'm ignoring the source warnings, they're not my fault
[05:35] <Simon80> ...so they are omitted
[05:35] <ajmitch> not your fault?
[05:35] <Simon80> no, if I unpack a release tarball and it has cruft that lintian warns about, what am I supposed to do?
[05:35] <ajmitch> fix it
[05:36] <Simon80> but that adds to the diff, all in the name of cruft cleaning?
[05:36] <Simon80> who cares?
[05:37] <ajmitch> we care
[05:37] <Simon80> lol
[05:38] <Simon80> seriously, you're joking, right?
[05:38] <Simon80> I don't wanna pollute my diff
[05:38] <ajmitch> you don't want to 'pollute' it with fixes?
[05:38] <Simon80> fixes? they aren't fixes
[05:38] <Simon80> they're rmed files
[05:38] <jbailey> ajmitch: Yup, the patch is definetly merges upstream.
[05:39] <jbailey> ajmitch: How do you guys request syncs?
[05:39] <Simon80> open a bug I hear
[05:39] <ajmitch> jbailey: great, are any archive admins awake to prod it through? 
[05:39] <Simon80> am I right?
[05:39] <ajmitch> same way as main, file a bug, pitti's script on DeveloperResources is useful
[05:39] <ajmitch> heh
[05:40] <ajmitch> bug 72543
[05:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72543 in frozen-bubble "Please sync 2.0.0-3 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/72543
[05:40] <ajmitch> so just need to find an archive admin who's awake
[05:40] <ajmitch> & convince them that this is critical
[05:43] <jbailey> ajmitch: *lol*
[05:44] <Simon80> lol
[05:44] <Simon80> isn't frozen bubble in ubuntu already?
[05:44] <LaserJock> ajmitch: what productivity?
[05:45] <ajmitch> LaserJock: that mythical beast
[05:45] <LaserJock> the He-man fights?
[05:46] <ajmitch> heh
[05:46] <LaserJock> or maybe I'm mixing up my super heros
[05:46] <LaserJock> ;-)
[05:55] <imbrandon> doh, i had no witty reply, i was playing frozen bubble
[05:55] <imbrandon> oops
[05:56] <jdong> on behalf of imbrandon: maybe it'll get done faster if you file a spec, ajmitch ;-)
[05:56] <joejaxx> frozen buble?
[05:57] <joejaxx> bubble*?
[05:57] <imbrandon> !frozen-bubble
[05:57] <Simon80> it's a crappy bust-a-move clone
[05:57] <ubotu> frozen-bubble: Pop out the bubbles !. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.0.0-6ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 72 kB, installed size 356 kB
[05:57] <joejaxx> oh ok
[05:58] <joejaxx> !xgalaga-hyperspace
[05:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xgalaga-hyperspace - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:58] <joejaxx> !xgalaga
[05:58] <Simon80> !ut2004
[05:58] <Simon80> :D
[05:58] <ubotu> xgalaga: X11 version of the famous Galaga game. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.34-37ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 253 kB, installed size 788 kB
[05:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ut2004 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:58] <jdong> Simon80: sheesh
[05:58] <Simon80> unfreedom
[05:58] <jdong> Simon80: you don't have to be so blunt about f-b :)
[05:58] <Simon80> sorry man, I hope I didn't hurt anybody's feelings
[05:58] <jdong> ya know, some people spend hours trying to beat that stupid level I keep on getting stuck on
[05:58] <Simon80> lol
[05:59] <Simon80> which one?
[05:59] <Simon80> not that I'd know it
[05:59] <Burgundavia> I got to 45 in a straight run at work
[05:59] <Burgundavia> bloody brilliant
[05:59] <imbrandon> heh
[05:59] <jdong> :)
[05:59] <joejaxx> lol
[05:59] <jdong> turning on -cr is more fun even in solo
[05:59] <Simon80> -cr?
[05:59] <jdong> kinda makes several levels very cheap
[05:59] <jdong> chain reactions
[05:59] <Simon80> ah
[06:00] <joejaxx> my cluster kernels keep failing to build haha
[06:00] <jdong> hehe, my grsec kernels still think modprobe is a security threat :)
[06:00] <jdong> I guess it's a bad night for kernel builds too
[06:00] <imbrandon> there is a reason i use gentoo for my cluster :)
[06:00] <Simon80> I like gentoo
[06:01] <joejaxx> imbrandon: on the xbox's?
[06:01] <Simon80> for stuff whereyou want flexibility
[06:01] <imbrandon> gentoo sucks, but you cant beat its clustering
[06:01] <joejaxx> imbrandon: what clustering project are you using?
[06:01] <imbrandon> joejaxx: depends on what i want to run, they have openmosix loaded atm i think
[06:01] <jdong> I used to swear by gentoo before ubuntu came around...
[06:01] <Simon80> hell yeah, stepmania-3.9
[06:01] <jdong> imbrandon: openmosix works in gentoo now?
[06:01] <Simon80> I packaged it! ME!
[06:01] <imbrandon> jdong: you dont count
[06:01] <jdong> imbrandon: grr :)
[06:02] <joejaxx> lol
[06:02] <Simon80> now I have to wait while it loads 1.8 gigs of unfree music
[06:02] <jdong> the last time (a LONG time ago) I tried, python has random segfaults in om
[06:02] <joejaxx> the 2.4 kernel does not like building on ubuntu lol
[06:02] <imbrandon> gentoo truely does suck, but it has a few things that are good for a very limited number of environments
[06:03] <Burgundavia> joejaxx: why exactly are you messing with 2.4?
[06:03] <mr-russ> hi I am attempting to backport a package and thought this might be the best place to ask my question.
[06:03] <Simon80> eww, 2.4
[06:03] <imbrandon> and actualy for what i do now, ubuntu would work, i'm just to lazy to reload the boxes atm
[06:03] <joejaxx> Burgundavia: clustering
[06:03] <imbrandon> joejaxx: and?
[06:04] <Burgundavia> umm?
[06:04] <Simon80> lol
[06:04] <mr-russ> towards the end of the build, I get the following message...
[06:04] <imbrandon> what does 2.4 have to do with clustering
[06:04] <imbrandon> joejaxx: ^
[06:04] <joejaxx> 2.4 has stable patches
[06:04] <imbrandon> bah
[06:04] <joejaxx> for what i need to do
[06:04] <crimsun> (last I checked OM is not stable on 2.6)
[06:04] <jdong> joejaxx: err, 2.4 and ubuntu/udev... do they mix?
[06:04] <joejaxx> crimsun: exactly
[06:04] <imbrandon> crimsun: but works :)
[06:04] <crimsun> mr-russ: pastebin.
[06:05] <joejaxx> imbrandon: quilt is not working for me
[06:05] <joejaxx> imbrandon: i also tried the 2.6 patchs
[06:05] <joejaxx> patches
[06:06] <imbrandon> joejaxx: have you tried to snag the knopix cluster kernel ? ( since it IS debian based ) but you'll have udev etc issues i would imagine
[06:06] <joejaxx> with gentoo i am guessing all you did was emerge a om enabled kernel
[06:06] <joejaxx> lol
[06:06] <joejaxx> or the patches
[06:06] <joejaxx> imbrandon: is it 2.6?
[06:06] <imbrandon> joejaxx: yea there are overlays for it ( and for the xbox gentoo kernel )
[06:07] <joejaxx> oh ok
[06:07] <imbrandon> joejaxx: i have no idea, i just know knoppix cluster cd uses OM also and knoppix is debian based
[06:07] <imbrandon> so you MIGHT be able to work something out
[06:07] <imbrandon> just was a passing thought
[06:07] <joejaxx> debian has om packages
[06:07] <imbrandon> i mean the kernel
[06:07] <joejaxx> but foe 2.4
[06:07] <joejaxx> oh
[06:08] <joejaxx> i might as well try and get quilt to work
[06:08] <jdong> has anyone successfully configured a PaX+grsec kernel for Ubuntu and if so, can I get a copy of .config?
[06:08] <joejaxx> it will not patch right
[06:08] <imbrandon> but as jdong said you will have more problems with 2.4 and modern ubuntu then with OM itself
[06:08] <joejaxx> jdong: i did 
[06:08] <joejaxx> but i wipe it lol
[06:08] <jdong> the screenfuls of segfaults are far less than amusing now
[06:09] <joejaxx> lol
[06:09] <jdong> insmod and modprobe in initrd segfault
[06:09] <imbrandon> you two need to get friendly with the #ubuntu-kernel guys for this stuff :P heheh
[06:10] <jdong> yeah, when I feel more motivated to spend more time with the stupid compile
[06:10] <jdong> (i.e. when my gateway gets hacked)
[06:10] <mr-russ> and finally!   http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/nw5Vj497.html
[06:11] <crimsun> and the contents of debian/libsasl2/DEBIAN/control?
[06:12] <imbrandon> ok i'm headed to sleep yall, gnight
[06:12] <mr-russ> crimson, the issue is that the substituions are not happening, but I wll paste the file FYI
[06:12] <joejaxx> Goodnight imbrandon 
[06:14] <mr-russ> crimsun: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/2YcQwq91.html
[06:19] <crimsun> To what release(s) are you backporting?
[06:20] <mr-russ> I'm attempting to backport this package from fiesty to dapper.
[06:21] <mr-russ> I may need to update using the maintainers guide.
[06:22] <mr-russ> but I thought backporting would be faster, maybe not.
[06:23] <joejaxx> !pastebin > joejaxx
[06:26] <crimsun> support for ${binary-Version} wasn't added until dpkg 1.13.19. Dapper has 1.13.11ubuntu7.
[06:26] <crimsun> (technically support for binary:Version)
[06:26] <mr-russ> crap.
[06:27] <mr-russ> I can either backport dpkg, or attempt to do it another way.
[06:29] <mr-russ> either way, thankyou very much crimson.  I would not have known how to find that info out.  
[06:29] <mr-russ> In fact so I can in the future, how did you find that information?
[06:29] <crimsun> I read the dpkg changelog.
[06:31] <mr-russ> ah, thanks.   I'll remember that for the future.  thanks again.
[06:31] <crimsun> np
[06:34] <LaserJock> hmm, I firefox window just sitting in the background pegged my cpu :/
[06:34] <LaserJock> I hate those weird things
[06:38] <joejaxx> http://pastebin.ca/263130
[06:38] <joejaxx> does that look interesting to anyone?
[06:41] <joejaxx> zul: ?
[06:42] <crimsun> the kernel has to be built with -fno-stack-protector
[06:42] <joejaxx> --fno-stack-protector?
[06:42] <joejaxx> two dashes in front?
[06:43] <crimsun> CFLAGS += -fno-stack-protector
[06:43] <crimsun> not precise; see how it's done in debian/rules
[06:43] <crimsun> or in the top-level Makefile
[06:44] <joejaxx> ok
[06:48] <joejaxx> crimsun: i am going to try and compile again thanks
[06:48] <Simon80> if any DDR geeks want to test my stepmania 3.9 package, it's going into revu now.. the only thing I'm unsure of is the threads compile error fix
[06:49] <Simon80> jdong: you into dance dance revolution?
[06:49] <Simon80> :)
[06:49] <jdong> no :)
[06:49] <jdong> what do you ask? :)
[06:49] <Simon80> nvm then, lol
[06:50] <jdong> god, I just had the horrible displeasure of watching that shoes video on  youtube
[06:50] <Simon80> you joined right after I plugged my package going into revu
[06:50] <Simon80> shoes video?
[06:50] <jdong> you don't want to know
[06:50] <Simon80> oh
[06:50] <jdong> liam kyle sullivan... "kelly" in drag?
[06:50] <jdong> I'm gonna spare everyone the torture and NOT link to the video
[06:50] <Simon80> and btw, I made a script that scrapes flv files out of your firefox cache and dumps them into the current dir
[06:51] <jdong> :)
[06:51] <Simon80> in response to someone elses badly implemented attempt at the same
[06:51] <Simon80> great idea
[06:51] <jdong> why not just use something like keepvid.com :)
[06:51] <Simon80> but they reimplemented base-10 using a 3 digit string array
[06:51] <Simon80> keepvid doesn't work on anything but mainstrema sites
[06:51] <Simon80> stream*
[06:51] <Simon80> besides, that's a privacy issue, sending them your vid links
[06:52] <Simon80> use all-in-one video bookmarklet if you must
[06:52] <jdong> mmm
[06:52] <jdong> I see
[06:52] <Simon80> but scraping the cache grabs any flv, mainstream or not
[06:52] <Simon80> that's why I'm happy about it
[06:52] <jdong> god now that shoes thing is stuck in my head
[06:52] <jdong> grr
[06:52] <jdong> shoot me now...
[07:20] <Admiral_Chicago> jdong: the "shoes" video on Youtube
[07:53] <ademan> so yeah still no luck with that stupid eclipse-cdt
[07:56] <dholbach> good morning
[08:18] <LaserJock> hi dholbach Fujitsu and raphink 
[08:18] <LaserJock> it appears I'm up too late ;-)
[08:18] <dholbach> hi LaserJock Fujitsu raphink! how's it going?
[08:19] <raphink> hi LaserJock & dholbach
[09:01] <yaso> how to reqest "unaffiliated" user clock. 
[09:05] <Burgundavia> yaso: sorry
[09:05] <Burgundavia> ?
[09:06] <yaso> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[09:07] <Burgundavia> ah, that would be a freenode thing
[09:07] <Burgundavia> not an Ubuntu thing
[09:07] <yaso> you have any idea?
[09:07] <Burgundavia> sorry, no
[09:07] <yaso> recently I've been attacked by irc worm :(
[09:07] <yaso> thanks
[09:07] <Burgundavia> no worries
[12:36] <dholbach> how's it going?
[12:37] <proppy> fine, late at work as usual :)
[12:37] <dholbach> :-)
[12:37] <proppy> crimsun has requested a sync, for the last package that is blocking the poker2d build
[12:38] <proppy> so everything is going to be extra awesome :)
[12:41] <proppy> got to go to work see ya :)
[01:15] <Seeker`> geser: The package has made it through to the archive :D
[02:05] <joejaxx> http://fluxbuntu.org//view.php?id=296
[02:05] <joejaxx> haha lol
[02:11] <joejaxx> "Please Correct This"
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[02:14] <joejaxx> funny thing is i am using append to version
[02:23] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: thankyou for the blue shiny :)
[02:23] <elkbuntu> :)
[02:30] <joejaxx> Hello Hobbsee elkbuntu :)
[02:30] <Hobbsee> heya
[02:30] <elkbuntu> hi joejaxx :)
[02:30] <joejaxx> :)
[02:30] <joejaxx> today should be interesting
[02:31] <joejaxx> to test feisty
[03:00] <rmjb> jdong: the ssh through ISA http proxy is working great!
[03:00] <rmjb> thanks for the info
[03:00] <jdong> rmjb: congrats :)
[03:00] <jdong> does that mean if I CTCP version you, you won't be running CGI:IRC? ;-)
[03:01] <jdong> most proxies are dumb enough to not catch that'
[03:01] <jdong> in which case you've effectively bypassed all filtering...
[03:01] <jdong> unless there's a stupic client-side filter too
[03:01] <rmjb> you might see irssi as my version :)
[03:01] <jdong> in which case, here's a bag full of explicatives to choose from :)
[03:04] <joejaxx> ha!
[03:04] <joejaxx> the the 7.04 alt cd is 704 mb
[03:04] <jdong> cue smart ass reply: if only the 6.10 CD was 610MB?
[03:05] <joejaxx> yeah lol
[03:05] <joejaxx> and 4.10 410
[03:06] <joejaxx> jdong: do you know why this is happening?
[03:06] <joejaxx> http://fluxbuntu.org//view.php?id=296
[03:07] <jdong> joejaxx: debian/control thinks you have a different kernel version than Makefile
[03:07] <jdong> I haven't played with kernel packaging enough to know how to remedy that though
[03:07] <joejaxx> oh ok
[03:07] <jdong> joejaxx: why not use kernel-package?
[03:07] <jdong> just curious
[03:07] <jdong> in Edgy it spits out good linux-* package names now
[03:07] <joejaxx> i need vanilla 2.6.17
[03:08] <joejaxx> oh nevermind
[03:08] <joejaxx> i forgot 
[03:08] <joejaxx> this is an already patched kernel
[03:09] <joejaxx> not vanilla
[03:09] <joejaxx> jdong: kernel package?
[03:09] <jdong> kernel-package command
[03:09] <jdong> in package kernel-package
[03:09] <jdong> invoked like kernel-package --initrd kernel_image kernel_header kernel_sources
[03:09] <joejaxx> i do
[03:10] <jdong> oh I thought you were working directly off linux-source-x.x.xx packages
[03:10] <jdong> nvm then
[03:10] <jdong> to fix that error of yours, rm -rf debian/  is probably the easiest then :D
[03:10] <joejaxx> make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd --append-to-version=-jaxx kernel_image kernel_headers
[03:11] <joejaxx> jdong: the thing is
[03:11] <joejaxx> that debian folder is being create once i start the process
[03:11] <joejaxx> i do not think i want to remove it while itis compilinglol
[03:12] <joejaxx> LOL! the size dropped down to 689mb
[03:12] <jdong> no, it's a feature not a bug :)
[03:13] <jdong> in subsequent runs if version number isn't changed to make-kpkg, it is just a fancy debuild :)
[03:13] <joejaxx> they just built another set
[03:13] <joejaxx> jdong:  so what should i do if i cannot remove debian/
[03:14] <joejaxx> because it is stopping the build process
[03:14] <joejaxx> lol
[03:14] <jdong> you can't rm -rf debian/ ?
[03:14] <joejaxx> there is not a debian folder before i start the compile
[03:15] <joejaxx> it creates it
[03:15] <joejaxx> when i do
[03:15] <jdong> oh
[03:15] <jdong> then you need to change your appent-to-version to -jaxx-om
[03:15] <joejaxx> i did
[03:15] <joejaxx> then it says
[03:15] <joejaxx> for the top part
[03:15] <joejaxx> -jaxx-om-om
[03:19] <jdong> lol
[03:19] <jdong> remove localversion
[03:19] <jdong> or whatever else is appending that second -om
[03:19] <jdong> The UTS Release version in include/linux/version.h
[03:19] <jdong>      "2.6.17-jaxx-om" 
[03:19] <jdong> does not match current version:
[03:19] <jdong>      "2.6.17-jaxx" 
[03:19] <jdong> Please correct this.
[03:19] <jdong> ya sure?
[03:21] <joejaxx> it says that
[03:21] <joejaxx> when i do --a-t-v=-jaxx-om
[03:21] <joejaxx> it says
[03:22] <joejaxx> 2.6.17-jaxx-om-om
[03:22] <joejaxx> and
[03:22] <joejaxx> 2.6.17-jaxx-om
[03:24] <jdong> mmm
[03:24] <jdong> you got a local version appending -om
[03:25] <jdong> and you got extraversion saying -om already
[03:25] <joejaxx> how do i fix that?
[03:25] <jdong> find a localversion or .localversion file
[03:25] <jdong> and delete it
[03:28] <joejaxx> KERNELVERSION = $(VERSION).$(PATCHLEVEL).$(SUBLEVEL)$(EXTRAVERSION)-om
[03:28] <joejaxx> that is the problem
[03:29] <jdong> oh wow, that's stupid on -om-patch's behalf'
[03:29] <joejaxx> they did not put it on the EXTRAVERSION line
[03:29] <jdong> I've never seen a kernel patch try that trick
[03:29] <jdong> most of the times they just add an extraversion or localversion
[03:29] <joejaxx> jdong: it should be on the extraversion variable line
[03:29] <joejaxx> exactly
[03:29] <jdong> not hard-code the kernel Makefile to do its dirty work :D
[03:29] <joejaxx> haha
[03:30] <joejaxx> let me remove that
[03:30] <joejaxx> and put it in its properplace
[03:39] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:39] <imbrandon> heya bddebian
[03:40] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon
[03:45] <joejaxx> jdong: ping
[03:45] <jdong> joejaxx: mmm?
[03:46] <joejaxx> he says it is an ubuntu bug
[03:47] <jdong> who?
[03:50] <joejaxx> jdong: the person who compiled it
[03:50] <joejaxx> the upstream
[03:51] <joejaxx> jdong: it is the way they do the versioning
[03:51] <joejaxx> which makes no sense to me
[03:51] <joejaxx> if you are not using the extraversion variable
[03:54] <jdong> it's fundamentally -om's issue
[03:54] <jdong> but it is true that kernel-package doesn't take into account what's being done
[03:54] <jdong> i.e. it internally builds the version, instead of reading it back from the makefile variable
[03:55] <joejaxx> yeah
[03:55] <joejaxx> well atleast i fixed it :)
[03:59] <dholbach> proppy: how's it going?
[04:00] <proppy> nice, we finally found a partner who is motivated enough to use our packaging-farm :)
[04:01] <proppy> this will surely lead to many improvment 
[04:01] <shawarma> Who - besides slomo - deals with texlive and such?
[04:01] <proppy> dholbach: packaging-farm <=> http://pokersource.info/developers/index.php thing
[04:02] <dholbach> nice
[04:02] <Q-FUNK> dholbach: planner was uploaded to Debian a couple of days ago.  does it need an explicit sync request?
[04:03] <dholbach> Q-FUNK: no should be synced automatically
[04:03] <Q-FUNK> ok
[04:03] <dholbach> Q-FUNK: we're just in a freeze to get the first cd for testing ready
[04:03] <dholbach> after that it should be done magically
[04:03] <Q-FUNK> ok
[04:05] <proppy> dholbach: are you avaiable to revu my package ?
[04:05] <proppy> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3601
[04:05] <dholbach> I'm busy with something else at the moment
[04:05] <dholbach> would you mind dropping me a mail with the link?
[04:06] <proppy> np
[04:06] <dholbach> I'll take care of it, when I get to it then
[04:06] <dholbach> dholbach@ubuntu.com
[04:06] <proppy> dholbach: done and thanks :)
[04:07] <dholbach> super
[04:13] <chillywilly> lots of my shell scripts are now broken after the edgy upgrade
[04:14] <chillywilly> I get the same error messages but of course depending on the script it bitches about different line numbers
[04:14] <chillywilly> 87: Syntax error: Bad substitution
[04:14] <chillywilly> message*
[04:16] <jdong> chillywilly: /bin/sh is now a POSIX bourne shell (dash)
[04:17] <jdong> chillywilly: your scripts are calling /bin/sh and expecting bash, which is plain bad behavior :)
[04:17] <jdong> have them call /bin/bash explicitly if they need bash features
[04:17] <jdong> and if it's a script in ubuntu packages, file a bug
[04:17] <chillywilly> dude, this is not cool at all for a production server
[04:18] <Q-FUNK> chillywilly: better yet, use debian tools to spot bashism in your scripts and fix them. :)
[04:18] <bhale> what is cool is not writing bashisms in a script that says #!/bin/sh
[04:18] <Q-FUNK> it's surprisingly easy to fix bashisms, in most cases
[04:18] <siretart> chillywilly: as a hotfix, you could change the /bin/sh symlink. 
[04:18] <jdong> chillywilly: laziness would say to just symlink bash back to sh :D
[04:18] <chillywilly> how about I just have /bin/sh point at bash for now so my backup script works...hell I couldn't even built a new sangoma driver either because of this
[04:19] <jdong> but that doesn't really solve the heart of the problems
[04:19] <siretart> chillywilly: but better fix your scripts. either by running them with /bin/bash, or even better, get rid of bashisms
[04:19] <joejaxx> sudo ln -s /bin/bash /bin/sh LOL!
[04:19] <bhale> sounds like your own fault
[04:19] <bhale> fix your shebang lines
[04:19] <jdong> joejaxx: sadly I have that on one of my systems
[04:19] <chillywilly> no, I didn't write the Setup script for the sangoma card
[04:19] <chillywilly> driver
[04:19] <joejaxx> jdong: :)
[04:19] <jdong> stupid proprietary app with bashisms :)
[04:19] <joejaxx> Lol
[04:19] <joejaxx> bashisms
[04:20] <joejaxx> this should be fun
[04:20] <joejaxx> running ubuntu without all those fun restricted modules
[04:20] <joejaxx> lol
[04:23] <joejaxx> noo!
[04:24] <joejaxx> bahumbug
[04:24] <joejaxx> so it compiled but could not place the debs in ../
[04:24] <joejaxx> lol
[04:24] <jdong> joejaxx: that can't be worse than misspelling your username in sudoers
[04:25] <joejaxx> lol!
[04:25] <joejaxx> hold on brb
[04:43] <chillywilly> is the /bin/sh thing an ubuntu specific change or has debian done a similar thing?
[04:43] <chillywilly> I'm curious
[04:43] <jdong> chillywilly: right now it's a ubuntu thing, to make various things faster
[04:43] <jdong> chillywilly: linux has historically had bash act as sh
[04:43] <jdong> chillywilly: though look anywhere else in the unix world and you'll find a very POSIX sh
[04:44] <jdong> fundamentally it's still the script author's fault for calling sh and expecting bash :)
[04:45] <chillywilly> I still think it's fucking retarded to break expected functionality and this is lame as hell...who the fuck uses dash on a linux system
[04:49] <geser> why do you expect /bin/sh to be more than posix?
[04:49] <jdong> chillywilly: expected functionality is that /bin/sh is a POSIX compliant bourne shell
[04:49] <bhale> knock it off.
[04:51] <bhale> if you cant articulate your position in a rational manner you need to leave
[04:51] <bhale> rational meaning not abusive
[04:57] <Q-FUNK> chillywilly: calm down.  /bin/sh  is not expected to provide anything more than an old-fashion bourne shell.  scripts have to be written with this in mind or otherwise explicitely call the right shell for their needs.
[04:58] <Q-FUNK> chillywilly:  if they don't, then it's the author's fault and you are expected to file a bug against the package.  
[04:58] <Q-FUNK> it's that simple.
[04:59] <jdong> though I must admit our release notes aren't the most verbose about these kinds of things...
[04:59] <chillywilly> I understand the rationale behind it but I don't think it was a good move no matter how POSIXy or correct it may be in theory
[04:59] <Q-FUNK> it was an excellent move.  it forces lazy authors to fix their mess.
[05:00] <jdong> and it makes bootup and ./configure faster :)
[05:00] <Q-FUNK> you also have to keep in mind that most unices explicitely state that all bootup and maintenance script must be written in posix-compliant (read:  old-fashion, original bourne shell) syntax.
[05:01] <Q-FUNK> again, if authors choose to disregard that, it's their own fault.
[05:01] <amnesia> re
[05:03] <Q-FUNK> chillywilly: in other words, you're beating the wrong people with your cluebat, so please stop.
[05:04] <Q-FUNK> enforcing posix-compliance and speeding up boot time is a good thing.   authors (or software packagers) ignoring proper posix-compliance bourne syntax is not.
[05:05] <Q-FUNK> jdong: i think it mostly is that universe package are mostly synced as-is fron debian, which still uses bash as its default bourne shell.
[05:05] <Q-FUNK> jdong: for ubuntu packages in main, that was already debuged and fixed.
[05:07] <geser> Q-FUNK: it's in Debian Policy that scripts should use only POSIX features when using /bin/sh or state another shell
[05:07] <jdong> Q-FUNK: yeah, and also a lot of 3rd party stuff too
[05:07] <jdong> Q-FUNK: both ATI and nvidia driver installers have suffered from bashisms
[05:07] <Q-FUNK> geser: it indeed is, but lintian check for this was only added recently.
[05:08] <amnesia> ajmitch: having problem in REVU with dput, can you lend me a hand there?
[05:08] <Q-FUNK> thank goodness, jvw and ganneff are more stringent about this one, so it should improve over time, at least for new uploads.
[05:09] <Q-FUNK> it's mostly with older packages that haven't been updated in ages that it becomes problematic
[05:40] <\sh> moins
[05:42] <\sh> guys, I'm just asking myself, how the kernel decides which NIC interface is eth0 and which one is eth1? I can't find any chain between pci id and ethX counting...does anyone has a clue?
[05:44] <jonh_wendell> \sh, have you looked at source code?
[05:44] <superm1> isn't it the order that modules get loaded for the devices?
[05:44] <geser> AFAIK it depends which module is loaded first
[05:44] <\sh> superm1: and if you don't have modules?
[05:44] <superm1> well i'm not sure then, you'd have to look at the kernel tree to see
[05:45] <superm1> i'd guess alphabetically by what the module name would be
[05:45] <superm1> but that is just a guess
[05:45] <geser> then the order in which they are initialized by the kernel
[05:45] <dholbach> \sh: you can bind mac adresses to interface names with /etc/iftab if that helps you
[05:46] <dholbach> concerning udev/kernel/... questions you might want to ask Keybuk
[05:46] <\sh> dholbach: well, for debian this would be easy...but I have some deployment information for SUSE, and suse needs bus ids to setup bonding interfaces...and now I have to transition this information to debian/ubuntu and now I'm checking how I can relate bus ids to mac addresses to interface names 
[05:47] <\sh> setting up bonding on ubuntu/debian is totally clueless and easy...why do I need to use suse..i don't know
[05:49] <\sh> well, reconnect later from train or home...need to go home
[05:56] <joejaxx> the kernel works!
[05:56] <joejaxx> i just do not have iwp2200 haha
[05:56] <amnesia> missing firmware probably
[05:57] <joejaxx> yeah it says something about the firmware
[05:57] <joejaxx> i have to fix that
[05:57] <joejaxx> :)
[05:58] <sladen> \sh_away: ls -l /sys/bus/pci*/devices/*/net:*
[05:59] <sladen> \sh_away: will give you the PCI->ifname mappings that you need
[06:06] <joejaxx> joejaxx@equinox:~$ uname -r
[06:06] <joejaxx> 2.6.17-jaxx-om
[06:06] <joejaxx> :D :)
[06:06] <joejaxx> i am so happy :D
[06:07] <amnesia> bad news for ya, .19 has just been released :)
[06:07] <joejaxx> amnesia: clustering does not work for 19
[06:07] <joejaxx> so
[06:07] <joejaxx> haha
[06:08] <joejaxx> funstuff
[06:08] <joejaxx> amnesia: :)
[06:09] <amnesia> take a deep breath man ;)
[06:09] <joejaxx> ;)
[06:12] <Adri2000> when the global auto sync is finished, can people request a sync for what they want (i.e. new upstream version in debian) ? or should it aim to fix bugs?
[06:15] <geser> before the UniverseFreeze every package can be synced through a request
[06:17] <Adri2000> ok
[06:19] <geser> but of course you can also fix bugs :)
[06:35] <superm1> i was just looking at the buildd queues, if something was missing a dependency, and that dependency just got built - does the buildd have to be prodded to try again, or does it figure it out?
[06:39] <geser> superm1: was the package in deb-wait state?
[06:40] <superm1> https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/280309
[06:40] <superm1> "Dependency wait"
[06:41] <geser> superm1: I assume it gets picked up automatically but ask someone more experienced
[06:42] <geser> try one of the archive admins
[06:42] <superm1> any idea where they hang out?
[06:42] <geser> #ubuntu-devel
[06:42] <superm1> thx geser 
[06:43] <geser> see https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-archive
[06:43] <LaserJock> generally it retries 
[06:43] <superm1> ah okay
[06:43] <LaserJock> put probably only so many times before it gives up
[06:43] <superm1> well the dependency for it got built like 20 minutes before
[06:44] <superm1> it just must have not synced to the server it grabs deps from yet
[06:44] <LaserJock> I would have thought it would have been enough
[06:45] <superm1> oh actually.... some of the builds (like i386) only had like 5 or 6 minutes between.  others had upwards of 20 minutes
[06:45] <geser> is the archive still frozen?
[06:45] <superm1> okay well i'll wait it out and see :)
[06:45] <LaserJock> oh yeah
[06:45] <LaserJock> it might be
[06:45] <jorgp> im very new to pbuilder, and trying to build a package and tweak the depends, right now, I did sudo pbuilder build package, it fails.. I fix the control file, but I run pbuilder again and it has to redownload all the depends, is there a better way?
[06:46] <geser> it usually caches the downloaded apts
[06:46] <geser> but it must reinstall them in the chroot
[06:46] <geser> s/apts/debs/
[06:47] <jorgp> its doing the considering package now
[06:48] <jorgp> this process takes awhile
[06:48] <amnesia> jorgp: it cached for me by default
[06:48] <jorgp> im about to see what its gonna do
[06:49] <Adri2000> Fujitsu: ping
[06:50] <LaserJock> jorgp: did you make sure to rebuild the source package before giving it to pbuilder?
[06:50] <jorgp> yes
[06:50] <LaserJock> good, that's saves time too
[06:51] <LaserJock> the time you have to spend using pbuilder the better ;-)
[06:51] <LaserJock> I hate it when I make a stupid typo or something
[06:51] <LaserJock> and have to rebuild the whole thing again
[06:52] <jorgp> yep, it cached them
[06:53] <superm1> LaserJock, you got a few moments to do a revu today?
[06:55] <LaserJock> not until this afternoon (i.e. 3-4 hrs from now)
[06:55] <superm1> cool okay
[07:11] <stgraber> Adri2000: ping
[07:12] <Adri2000> pong
[07:13] <stgraber> do you have a few minute to check : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3576 ?
[07:17] <phanatic> when will be the first MOTU Council meeting? or still TBD?
[07:19] <Adri2000> stgraber: fine, now you have to get a motu to check it :)
[07:20] <LaserJock> phanatic: after we have a MOTU Council
[07:20] <LaserJock> ;-)
[07:21] <stgraber> Adri2000: ok :)
[07:22] <phanatic> LaserJock: oh :)
[07:22] <sistpoty_uni> hi folks
[07:22] <stgraber> I'll ping LaserJock when he will be a bit less busy :)
[07:22] <phanatic> LaserJock: so new -dev membership requests are still up to the TB?
[07:24] <LaserJock> phanatic: well, I'm not entirely sure, you'd have to ask the TB
[07:25] <phanatic> LaserJock: thanks for your answer
[07:26] <siretart> sistpoty_uni: still at uni?
[07:27] <sistpoty_uni> siretart: yes
[07:28] <sistpoty_uni> siretart: will stay a little bit longer today and go straight to a party from here :)
[07:28] <siretart> ah, nice
[07:29] <sistpoty_uni> siretart: I haven't started with the compiler yet... currently I'm still working on an interface for the expect vhdl-interprer (that's already a part of faumachine)... but I assume I will be finished with that test-case in 2-3 weeks
[07:30] <sistpoty_uni> siretart: how's your thesis getting along?
[07:32] <siretart> sistpoty_uni: I got to the point where I can say I finished writing. Now I'm waiting for reviews, and my supervisor didn't take a look at it at all yet :(
[07:32] <siretart> let's call it 'feature complete'
[07:32] <sistpoty_uni> :)
[08:33] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[08:33] <dinosaur-rus> is Apache 2.2.x package going to be released?
[08:35] <geser> !info apache2 feisty
[08:35] <ubotu> apache2: next generation, scalable, extendable web server. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.55-4ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 35 kB, installed size 80 kB
[08:36] <geser> dinosaur-rus: it's in main, you should as in #ubuntu-devel
[08:36] <dinosaur-rus> no, I mean 2.2.3 (the latest in 2.2 series)
[08:36] <superm1> debian has 2.2.3-3.1 in unstable
[08:36] <geser> and the source package for it is apache2 which is in main
[08:37] <dinosaur-rus> uh, sorry... one guy sent me here :)
[08:37] <geser> we deal only with universe
[08:38] <Adri2000> the MoM REPORT file says to use -sa with dpkg-genchanges even if it's not a new upstream release, is it normal?
[08:38] <Q-FUNK> geser: you realize that this could be interpreted as meaning that we deal with everything and the question whose answer is 42?
[08:39] <sistpoty_uni> Adri2000: which package?
[08:40] <Adri2000> powermanga
[08:40] <geser> Q-FUNK: I will be more cautious the next time to not reveal to much
[08:40] <Q-FUNK> ;)
[08:40] <Adri2000> sistpoty_uni: but seems that it recently changed from native to non-native package, maybe it explains that
[08:41] <Adri2000> * Repackage previous upload as non-native.
[08:41] <sistpoty_uni> Adri2000: no, both have an orig.tar.gz... but the debian one has a different one (.dfsg in it)
[08:42] <Adri2000> ah yeah
[08:44] <Adri2000> sistpoty_uni: and the dfsg package includes the debian directory, also normal?
[08:44] <Adri2000> s/package/orig tarball/
[08:45] <sistpoty_uni> Adri2000: no, I guess that must have been an accidant
[08:48] <Adri2000> ok
[09:28] <ajmitch> morning all
[09:28] <phanatic> morning ajmitch 
[09:32] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch 
[09:33] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: pingy!
[09:34] <ajmitch> 7:30, saturday morning for Fujitsu 
[09:34] <ajmitch> he'd better not be up already
[09:34] <LaserJock> oh that's right, you are an hour ahead?
[09:34] <ajmitch> that'd just be wrong
[09:34] <ajmitch> 2
[09:34] <LaserJock> really?
[09:35] <LaserJock> I was up at 7:30
[09:35] <LaserJock> although it is Friday here
[09:35] <LaserJock> well we got the 5th "works for me" for the maxima bug
[09:35] <LaserJock> so we are good to go to upload to dapper-updates
[09:35] <ajmitch> yes, really 
[09:36] <LaserJock> or wait, do we need the motu-sru team to ack it first?
[09:36] <LaserJock> oh, it already was
[09:36] <ajmitch> not my domain
[09:37] <LaserJock> crimsun and sistpoty acked it
[09:37] <LaserJock> it'll probably hit the mirrors almost exactly 6 months since we reported it 
[09:37] <LaserJock> s/we/somebody/
[09:38] <LaserJock> and 2 months since it was fixed in Edgy
[09:39] <LaserJock> hopefully it's the exception to the rule ;-)
[09:48] <sistpoty_uni> LaserJock: I can't find the maxima bug right now... have a bug number?
[09:48] <sistpoty_uni> LaserJock: but if you have 5 acks, it's imo ok to upload to -updates
[09:48] <LaserJock> 43150
[09:48] <LaserJock> bug 43150
[09:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43150 in maxima "[SRU]  maxima frontends fail to connect" [Undecided,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/43150
[09:48] <LaserJock> it's the only bug number I know by heart
[09:49] <LaserJock> sistpoty_uni: you already acked the upload to -proposed, do you need another one?
[09:51] <sistpoty_uni> LaserJock: according to the last policy (MOTU/SRU): no
[09:51] <sistpoty_uni> LaserJock: please go ahead and upload to -updates ;)
[09:51] <ajmitch> & then convince an archive admin to not reject it
[09:51] <sistpoty_uni> (I was just curious that I couldn't find the bug... probably motu-sru was assigned to it and then got unassigned)
[09:57] <LaserJock> ajmitch: so what's up with whiprush? is he really gone?
[09:58] <ajmitch> LaserJock: uh what?
[09:58] <LaserJock> ajmitch: did you see his planet post?
[09:58] <ajmitch> no?
[09:58] <LaserJock> you better read it
[09:58] <ajmitch> oh that one, about electing new leaders
[09:59] <ajmitch> no I don't know what he's up to
[09:59] <LaserJock> he retitled it
[10:00] <LaserJock> I certainly share many of his sentiments, but I'd really hate for him to go completely
[10:00] <ajmitch> what was the title?
[10:00] <ajmitch> I see he's closed the blog altogether
[10:00] <LaserJock> something to the effect of "I'm outta here"
[10:01] <LaserJock> crikey
[10:02] <LaserJock> ajmitch: did you read the comments he got?
[10:02] <ajmitch> no
[10:02] <ajmitch> well, only on some blog posts
[10:02] <LaserJock> it was pretty pretty brutal, I thought
[10:03] <Adri2000> I'm looking at a merge with two changes: in B-D s/xlibmesa-gl-dev/libgl1-mesa-dev/ I think it is no longer needed, right? the other change is "added homepage to description", I would request a sync for this package, because merging it at each release only for an url in the description... (and I can file a bug in debian about that)
[10:03] <LaserJock> basically a lot of "good riddance" kinda stuff
[10:03] <ajmitch> ouch
[10:04] <LaserJock> Adri2000: have you built that packages and checked the differences?
[10:04] <ajmitch> anyway, I've got to head out
[10:04] <Adri2000> LaserJock: I looked at the .patch provided by grab-merge and there are only these two diffs
[10:05] <LaserJock> Adri2000: right, but why do you say it is no longer needed?
[10:05] <Adri2000> because xlibmesa-gl-dev is a "transitional package for Debian etch" and
[10:05] <Adri2000> xlibmesa-gl-dev
[10:05] <Adri2000>   Depends: libgl1-mesa-dev
[10:06] <LaserJock> that means we are moving away from xlibmesa-gl-dev
[10:06] <LaserJock> so we want to keep that change
[10:06] <Adri2000> is debian also moving away from xlibmesa-gl-dev?
[10:07] <LaserJock> not sure exactly, I think perhaps
[10:07] <LaserJock> you can get some more info on it at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Transitions/GLU
[10:08] <LaserJock> but you want to keep that change
[10:11] <Adri2000> yes, I will see if debian is doing this change also, and then report a bug if needed, because these kind of changes create an avoidable merge workload
[10:11] <LaserJock> there's a whole bunch of them too
[10:21] <elektranox> can somebody of you port a kernel module for me (and other ubuntu users with an IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad)?
[10:26] <gandalfn> hi all,  I would like put four new packages on REVU, my problem with them, there is an already existing package in them on multiverse, moreover i think i made a mistake when i 'dput' on repos :-[
[10:27] <LaserJock> gandalfn: what is the name?
[10:28] <LaserJock> is the package in multiverse the same program?
[10:28] <gandalfn> compiz, compiz-extra, gnome-compiz-manager and gnome-compiz-manager-extra i think you found the duplicate package :)
[10:31] <LaserJock> ok, but they aren't iin multiverse are they?
[10:32] <gandalfn> oh yes,  on universe sorry
[10:32] <LaserJock> ok, so you want to update the packages?
[10:33] <joejaxx> anyone here a Mac users?
[10:33] <joejaxx> user*
[10:34] <joejaxx> is HFS+ journaled?
[10:34] <LaserJock> can be
[10:34] <LaserJock> you can turn the journaling on or off
[10:34] <joejaxx> how do i do that?
[10:34] <gandalfn> yep i want update compiz package to latest upstream version 0.3.4, moreover i rebuild rules to use cdbs and clean orig tarball which include git repos on universe, all other package are new
[10:35] <joejaxx> LaserJock: this is 10.2.8 btw
[10:36] <LaserJock> gandalfn: hmm, I guess quinn storm did the current ones
[10:36] <LaserJock> did you start from the existing source package?
[10:37] <gandalfn> yes for all
[10:38] <LaserJock> ok
[10:38] <Burgwork> maybe gandalfn should talk with mjg59
[10:40] <gnomefreak> Burgwork: any ETA on the herd1 isos?
[10:40] <Burgwork> no idea
[10:40] <gnomefreak> k
[10:40] <Burgwork> I just market the stuff, I don't create it
[10:40] <jdong> are we there yet? 
[10:40] <jdong> (j/k)
[10:41] <LaserJock> gandalfn: well, I think any MOTU should be able to sponsor an upload. I just can't right now
[10:41] <jdong> gnomefreak: hurd1 will be in another century or two, given that there's no regressions from.... oh nvm :)
[10:41] <gnomefreak> lol
[10:41] <jdong> that'll be the hallmark joke of this release cycle :D
[10:42] <jdong> last one was corny knot puns :)
[10:42] <gandalfn> for compiz, i just keep the universe ubuntu changelog, for compiz-extra, gnome-compiz-manager and gnome-compiz-manager-extra i maintain the source tarball (ps: sorry for lag the time to translate)
[10:42] <gnomefreak> i cant/wont reinstall until its out and i was hoping to have that done today
[10:42] <gnomefreak> edgy wont install on this system
[10:49] <LaserJock> !packagingguide > vyoman 
[10:49] <vyoman> thanks
[10:51] <gandalfn> LaserJock: no problemo, i made also a mistake when i uploaded on REVU :-[, I dput them but when i want to login on REVU, i see i don't updated my GPG key on launchpad , well now it's ok. just to point out my packages are rejected on REVU because a bad GPG key :-[
[10:51] <LaserJock> ah
[10:55] <vil> hello
[10:56] <vil> I would like to package a library, but it does not seem to have release number at all. so I would like to use cvs.2006.12.01 suffix for it
[10:56] <vil> do you think that it is reasonable?
[10:57] <vil> the complete name would be libjcamp-parser-clc-cvs.2006.12.01
[10:58] <sistpoty_uni> vil: why do you want to use the version in the package name?
[10:58] <sistpoty_uni> (date)
[10:58] <proppy> vil: I'm not a motu, but i see existing package in universe that have following convention libosgal-cvs1_20060410-1ubuntu1_i386
[10:59] <proppy> vil: actually only one :(
[11:01] <LaserJock> well, but might be in the versioning rather then the actual name
[11:01] <sistpoty_uni> proppy: the name of the deb is composed of the package name and the version... 
[11:01] <sistpoty_uni> exactly, LaserJock 
[11:02] <vil> yes, that's my intent
[11:03] <vil> every after last - is the version "number"
[11:03] <LaserJock> so the package name is libjcamp-parser-clc
[11:03] <vil> right
[11:03] <LaserJock> the version would be cvs1_20060410-0ubuntu1 I think
[11:04] <LaserJock> or wait
[11:04] <LaserJock> that's not right
[11:04] <vil> I wanted to use dh_make to make the basic stub. so I prepared the above mentioned dir with sources. however, dh_make complains about it
[11:04] <sistpoty_uni> vil: the version number should be reasonable small... in case upstream releases 0.1 it should still be higher than the version you choose
[11:05] <sistpoty_uni> vil: so make it s.th. like 0.0+cvsYYYYMMDD-0ubuntu1
[11:05] <sistpoty_uni> vil: (which would be just a little bit higher than 0.0, but below 0.1)
[11:06] <LaserJock> yeah
[11:06] <sistpoty_uni> vil: or alternatively 0.1~cvsYYYYMMDD (because tilde is like "a little bit less than")
[11:06] <proppy> sistpoty_uni: sorry i missunderstood his question
[11:07] <sistpoty_uni> proppy: no problem ;)
[11:07] <vil> sistpoty_uni: I like the last alternative
[11:07] <vil> thanks for explaining
[11:08] <superm1> hey LaserJock you good for a revu now?
[11:08] <LaserJock> sadly no
[11:08] <superm1> ah alrighty
[11:08] <LaserJock> I still need to get my pbuilders, etc. rebuilt
[11:08] <sistpoty_uni> vil: no problem... (I used to get version numbers wrong for a very long time myself)
[11:09] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Pong.
[11:09] <Fujitsu> (I'm normally up at 7:30, but not today)
[11:09] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: gcl/maxima are good to go
[11:10] <Fujitsu> I didn't see ACK #5, but I haven't read my emails yet.
[11:10] <LaserJock> it came
[11:11] <LaserJock> excellent
[11:12] <Fujitsu> Hm, it appears Tollef is now doing syncs.
[11:12] <crimsun> LaserJock: / Adri2000: drop the -> libgl1-mesa-dev
[11:13] <crimsun> LaserJock: / Adri2000: if the synced Debian source builds, there's no reason we should maintain the delta now
[11:13] <crimsun> and wow does this machine fly with 1.5 GB RAM
[11:14] <Adri2000> crimsun: ok, and so we drop also the change "added homepage to description" ?
[11:14] <crimsun> Adri2000: -ENOCONTEXT
[11:15] <Adri2000> what's -ENOCONTEXT ?! :p
[11:15] <superm1> jdong, do u know of any bugs going on with backports and the buildd's?  today libraw1394 was in the queue, built fine and all.  somehow though, the results only published the source and not the resultant binaries even though the binaries were actually built
[11:15] <superm1> see: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/libraw1394/1.2.1-2build1~dapper1
[11:16] <jdong> superm1: NEW queue
[11:16] <crimsun> Adri2000: it means I lack context, aka you didn't provide enough information.
[11:16] <jdong> superm1: archive admins have to clear new binary packages
[11:16] <jdong> give it time
[11:16] <superm1> well i talked to mdz about it
[11:16] <jdong> if they don't appear in a reasonable turnaround poke me or an archive admin
[11:17] <superm1> and he indicated that something went wrong with the buildd not publishing the binary
[11:17] <superm1> that it should have been automatic
[11:17] <superm1> i was just curious if you saw this happening multiple times
[11:17] <jdong> superm1: I thought we agreed libraw1394 generated new binary packages :)
[11:17] <Adri2000> crimsun: I said earlier:
 I'm looking at a merge with two changes: in B-D s/xlibmesa-gl-dev/libgl1-mesa-dev/ I think it is no longer needed, right? the other change is "added homepage to description", I would request a sync for this package, because merging it at each release only for an url in the description... (and I can file a bug in debian about that)
[11:18] <jdong> superm1: -8 instead of -7
[11:18] <superm1> well it built them.... it just didnt publish
[11:18] <superm1> yes
[11:18] <jdong> superm1: that makes it end up in binary NEW
[11:18] <superm1> oh.....
[11:18] <jdong> superm1: mdz might not be up-to-date...
[11:18] <jdong> but that's the way Backports has been since Soyuz
[11:18] <superm1> that seems to make more sense
[11:18] <crimsun> Adri2000: yes, it's worth dropping the Ubuntu delta
[11:18] <ademan> hey when i did apt-get source of eclipse-cdt there didn't actually appear to be any source in the archive...
[11:19] <jdong> superm1: the archive admins aren't nearly finished with processing all this week's backports.... I expect binary new to be dealt with once that's all done :)
[11:19] <Adri2000> crimsun: ok thanks, will request a sync
[11:19] <superm1> and thats why it would need a manual ack.... my bad - just didnt realize thats how it worked 
[11:19] <jdong> superm1: it was quite confusing my first time too
[11:19] <jdong> superm1: poor hobbsee's konversation packages stayed in NEW for like a month before we had a clue :D
[11:19] <superm1> haha
[11:19] <jdong> superm1: not to mention there was a hilarious bug with once one binary was accepted all the others would reject
[11:20] <LaserJock> crimsun: I'm not sure I understand
[11:20] <jdong> superm1: so it was a race which arch was able to build fastest :D
[11:20] <superm1> hehe
[11:20] <LaserJock> crimsun: what was the  point of having it in the first place then
[11:20] <superm1> ouch.  well next time i see mdz around, i'll let him know about this
[11:20] <superm1> that that was why
[11:20] <ademan> wow my ubuntu install didn't have cvs by default...
[11:21] <jdong> superm1: how archive stuff is done is way beyond my scope of knowledge, but personally I think the NEW queue shouldn't be there for backports :)
[11:21] <jdong> and I'm not sure if infinity ever made backports build against updates
[11:21] <jdong> maybe I'll ahve to poke him again about that
[11:21] <crimsun> LaserJock: because we didn't carry xlibmesa-gl-dev in breezy or dapper.
[11:21] <crimsun> you weren't around then
[11:21] <superm1> is infinity the only one that does the acks for these things, or do other archive admins as well?
[11:22] <jdong> superm1: any archive admin does
[11:22] <crimsun> we did two sets of GL{,u} transitions as MOTU
[11:22] <jdong> superm1: cjwatson/keybuk typically are the guys who put up with me the most :D
[11:22] <superm1> k.  well i was gonna say, his IRC message says he's away for the weekend
[11:22] <superm1> hehe
[11:22] <crimsun> (back in the days when we used the wiki for coordinating who synced/merged what)
[11:22] <LaserJock> crimsun: I was around for some of it
[11:22] <jdong> superm1: and I really feel sorry for them this time around :D
[11:22] <jdong> superm1: there's a mountain of backports waiting for their loving
[11:23] <jdong> superm1: the queue hasn't been dealt with since UDS
[11:23] <superm1> wow
[11:23] <crimsun> LaserJock: you were around and didn't remember? pssht, what kind of deity is that?!
[11:23] <LaserJock> so the reason we did the transition was because xlibmesa-gl-dev didn't exist?
[11:23] <LaserJock> but now it does as a transitional package
[11:24] <crimsun> it was readded in edgy when we fakesynced as appropriate with Sid's
[11:24] <LaserJock> crimsun: was just a newb back then and did as I was told
[11:24] <LaserJock> crimsun: ahhhh, we we brought in the Debian xorg
[11:25] <LaserJock> *when
[11:25] <jdong> oh darn, no scummvm 0.9 for hppa.... how tragic
[11:26] <superm1> jdong, do u actually have a hppa box?
[11:26] <jdong> superm1: no :)
[11:27] <jdong> superm1: hence I couldn't predict that scummvm wouldn't be kosher on hppa :)
[11:27] <superm1> haha
[11:27] <superm1> i see 
[11:27] <jdong> not like that would've affected my decision anyway :)
[11:27] <jdong> I subscribe to the "it couldn't make things worse" ideology quite a bit
[11:27] <LaserJock> crimsun: there goes my omniscience ;'(
[11:28] <crimsun> LaserJock: that's ok, you have positive infinity more chances
[11:28] <superm1> i'd be interested if repo mirrors all took count of how many times certain packages were grabbed.  how many times an arch like hppa had its misc packages actually grabbed
[11:29] <LaserJock> crimsun: haha
[11:29] <superm1> so you could gauge popularity of a package without installing popularity content
[11:30] <LaserJock> I think we should just turn on popcon and not tell anyone
[11:30] <LaserJock> ;-)
[11:30] <superm1> hehe
[11:30] <crimsun> cya sistpoty_uni 
[11:30] <jdong> LaserJock: then I'll direct all the forum flamefests to your e-mail account :)
[11:30] <superm1> well it really shouldn't be that bad to just parse apache logs on the servers and just strip all the identifiable information though....
[11:31] <superm1> i mean for a rudimentary estimate that leaves out people that install from local network mirrors and such
[11:31] <LaserJock> or CDs for the Main stuff
[11:31] <jdong> that'd be interesting info
[11:31] <superm1> yea
[11:31] <superm1> but for at least universe and multiverse you could gauge usage
[11:32] <LaserJock> I think it's most useful for universe
[11:32] <LaserJock> Main is pretty much all installed anyway
[11:32] <superm1> you could then gauge average of bugs/users
[11:32] <LaserJock> yep
[11:32] <joejaxx> LaserJock: whould you be able to unstuff a sit for me and send it tar.gz to me?
[11:33] <joejaxx> i just wiped mac os x
[11:33] <LaserJock> I remember we used to sort packages on the ToDo wiki pages by popcon
[11:33] <joejaxx> and os 9 does not do wireless
[11:33] <LaserJock> joejaxx: how big is it?
[11:33] <joejaxx> i think maybe 2mb?
[11:33] <superm1> LaserJock, who would we need to talk to to see if it would be feasible to have a cron job that goes through and parses the logs to generate these stats for universe?
[11:33] <LaserJock> joejaxx: sure
[11:34] <LaserJock> superm1: probably somebody like elmo
[11:34] <joejaxx> LaserJock: http://penguinppc.org/historical/benh/BootX_1.2.2.sit
[11:34] <superm1> alright i'll ping him and see what he thinks of the idea
[11:34] <joejaxx> LaserJock: i have breezy installing on a wallstreet :D
[11:34] <joejaxx> LaserJock: but os9 is taking up 22gb
[11:35] <joejaxx> lool
[11:35] <joejaxx> a 22gb partition that is
[11:35] <joejaxx> jdong: :P
[11:43] <Adri2000> Fujitsu: ! :)
[11:49] <jdong> Fujitsu: everything's faster in tmpfs? :D
[11:49] <Adri2000> Fujitsu: while your pbuilder is creating itself, would you want to revu homebank? :)
[11:50] <shawarma> I've got merge for axiom. Any takers? http://www.linux2go.dk/feisty-merges/axiom-merge.patch
[11:50] <shawarma> Note: testing the build takes about two hours.
[11:50] <Fujitsu> jdong: Or not! I installed Sid a week ago, and never recreated my pbuilders.
[11:50] <Fujitsu> Adri2000: Sure, link?
[11:50] <Adri2000> Fujitsu: thanks, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3553
[11:51] <jdong> Fujitsu: oh come on, pbuildering in tmpfs is fun. I do it. that must mean it's smart :D
[11:51] <joejaxx> jdong: lol!
[11:57] <LaserJock> joejaxx: sorry, forgot about your tarball. where do you want me to send it?
[11:57] <joejaxx> LaserJock: jjacksoniv@fluxbuntu.org
[11:57] <joejaxx> thanks :)
[11:57] <joejaxx> oh shoot
[11:58] <joejaxx> does anyone know how i can see the partitions on the hard drive off of the debian cd?
[11:58] <joejaxx> i need to find out which partition is the linux root
[11:58] <joejaxx> since this is an oldworld mac
[12:01] <joejaxx> i know hda10 is the os9 install
[12:01] <hub> joejaxx: pdisk
[12:01] <joejaxx> command not found
[12:01] <hub> joejaxx: weird
[12:01] <Fujitsu> Adri2000: Looks good! Doing a final build test before I advocate/upload.
[12:01] <joejaxx> yeah i think i am in the busybox environment
[12:02] <hub> joejaxx: ah
[12:02] <Adri2000> Fujitsu: okay :-)
[12:02] <hub> very long time I haven't touched linuxppc
[12:02] <hub> since my powerbook died actually
[12:02] <joejaxx> :(
[12:02] <hub> but I remember using pdisk to partition
[12:03] <hub> joejaxx: try hda11
[12:03] <hub> or hda12
[12:03] <hub> joejaxx: mount it, you'll see what is inside
[12:04] <shawarma> LaserJock: Around?
[12:05] <LaserJock> yeah
[12:06] <joejaxx> hub: this is not good
[12:06] <joejaxx> hub: i cannot see any folders inside System on the os9 partition
[12:07] <shawarma> LaserJock: My first merge for Feisty is ready: http://www.linux2go.dk/feisty-merges/axiom-merge.patch
[12:07] <shawarma> LaserJock: Come on.. You know you want to! :-)
[12:07] <LaserJock> uggg, axiom?
[12:07] <LaserJock> my poor pbuilder can't take it
[12:07] <shawarma> LaserJock: Yup.
[12:07] <shawarma> LaserJock: No. It's quite big and quite long.
[12:08] <shawarma> LaserJock: It took two hours on both amd64 and i386.
[12:08] <hub> joejaxx: HFS+
[12:08] <hub> joejaxx: that's why
[12:09] <joejaxx> mount /dev/hda10 hfs -t hfs
[12:10] <joejaxx> hub: anyway to get around that?
[12:10] <hub> nope
[12:10] <hub> you need hfsplus support
[12:10] <hub> I thought you wanted to know about / of you linux install
[12:10] <joejaxx> so i spent the last 5 hours all for nothing lol
[12:11] <joejaxx> hub: i have to copy vmlinux and initrd.gz over to the os9 partition
[12:11] <joejaxx> otherwise it will not boot
[12:11] <hub> won't work that way
[12:11] <joejaxx> what do you mean?
[12:12] <hub> you can't write on an HFS+ from standard debian
[12:12] <joejaxx> oh ok
[12:12] <joejaxx> so i did spend the last 5 horus for nothing lol