[12:21] <crimsun> ryanakca: feisty will have 2.6.20
[12:21] <crimsun> ryanakca: feisty _currently_ has 2.6.19-rc
[12:34] <jdong> oh sure label the groundhogs grumpy why don't you....
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[12:38] <nixternal> wish it wasn't a live cd, but oh well
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[12:55] <ryanakca> crimsun: ah, kk
[12:55] <ryanakca> jdong: lol.... grouchy groundhogs?
[12:59] <ryanakca> jdong: or: (gabby, gainful, gamy, gaping, garrulous, gaudy, gently, giant, giddy, gigantic, glamorous, gleaming, glib, glorious, glossy, godly, good, goofy, gorgeous, graceful, grandiose, gratis, great, greedy, grean, groovy, grotesque, grouchy, grumpy, guarded, guiltless, guillible, gusty, guttural) groundhog
[12:59] <ryanakca> s/grean/green
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[01:09] <jdong> ryanakca: I can't help but notice that more than half the listed words are negative in nature
[01:09] <jdong> which prompts me to ask again, what do you have against groundhogs
[01:09] <jdong> people these days are so discriminatory
[01:10] <jdong> like the other day at the grocery store... I was looking at the bags
[01:10] <ryanakca> jdong: lol, nothing, I was just copying off of http://www.wordbroker.biz/adjectives/
[01:10] <jdong> the paper bags were brown... and they were flimsy
[01:10] <jdong> the plastic ones were stronger but they were white
[01:10] <jdong> sheesh
[01:10] <jdong> talk about society going downhill
[01:10] <ryanakca> so... paper bags are made of paper, and paper is flimsy?
[01:11] <ryanakca> and plastic takes 100000s of years to decompose... and they didn't feel like waisting dye to color them
[01:11] <ryanakca> and they didn't feel like bleaching the paper, which is probably better for the environment, and is cheaper :)
[01:12] <jdong> pfft, listen to the grumpy one make up excuses :)
[01:12] <ryanakca> lol
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[01:13] <ryanakca> lol
[01:13] <ryanakca> bzr in itself is puzzling
[01:14] <jdong> ryanakca: have you used git before?
[01:14] <ryanakca> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+spec/grumpy-groundhog           I presume it will be like Debian's sid? never being released?
[01:14] <jdong> ryanakca: only debian sid actually exists
[01:14] <ryanakca> lol
[01:14] <ryanakca> nope, never used it
[01:14] <jdong> and sid is a half-sane backporting source :)
[01:15] <ryanakca> lol
[01:15] <jdong> ooh, http://ddaa.net/blog/bzr/repository-branch-tree
[01:15] <jdong> this just makes your head spin even more :)
[01:16] <ryanakca> when compiling kernel "Optimize for size (Look out for broken compilers!)" ... does ubuntu have a broken compiler, or will it be safe to have "-Os" passed to the compiler instead of "-O2"
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[01:17] <jdong> ryanakca: _I_ have never broken anything using -Os
[01:17] <jdong> ryanakca: with regards to the kernel in ubuntu dapper and edgy
[01:17] <ryanakca> kk... *checks that*
[01:17] <jdong> not gonna comment about my gentoo days :)
[01:18] <ryanakca> well, I'm compiling 2.6.19 from source for edgy :)
[01:18] <ryanakca> lol
[01:18] <jdong> aww, why not use feisty kernels?
[01:18] <ryanakca> meh... dunno... I have nothing else to do  :)
[01:19] <ryanakca> actually, I could be learning python, or merging, or triaging bugs... but, meh :)
[01:21] <ryanakca> anywais, last time I compiled a kernel was back in 2004 iirc :D
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[03:37] <nixternal> hrmm..just noticed that the herd 1 cd installs the 2.6.17-10-generic kernel..any reason why it isn't the 2.6.19 kernel?
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[05:55] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee
[06:17] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato
[06:25] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I'm downloading the feisty ISO... I'm not very confident with my rysnc'ing skills yet :)
[06:33] <Hobbsee> Jucato: awwww
[06:34] <Jucato> well it's almost done... after just 6 hours :)
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[06:43] <Hobbsee> *ouch*
[06:43] <Hobbsee> *downloads an iso in about 25 min, with a download accelerator*
[06:43] <Jucato> bah! I only have 512kbps :P
[06:44] <Hobbsee> ouch
[06:44] <Hobbsee> this is cable, fortunately
[06:44] <Jucato> ah.. PPPoE DSL...
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[06:44] <Jucato> btw nixternal mentioned something earlier about the herd1 cd's using the 2.6.17 kernel?
[06:45] <Hobbsee> they do, yes
[06:45] <Hobbsee> oh wait
[06:45] <Hobbsee> they shouldnt be
[06:45] <Hobbsee> i doubt they are, but i havent been here all day
[06:45] <Jucato> ok now I'm confused hehehe
[06:45] <nixternal> they do Hobbsee, or the current is really edgy and not feisty
[06:45] <Jucato> ok I'll ask in #ubuntu+1 too
[06:45] <Hobbsee> nixternal: the latter is the case
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[06:45] <Hobbsee> nixternal: d-i wasnt working as of yesterday, not sure if it is today
[06:46] <Jucato> nixternal: ah... that would probably explain why the rsync'ed ISO I have still says Edgy and 2.6.17
[06:46] <Hobbsee> hence it's partly-edgy partly-feisty
[06:46] <Hobbsee> yeah
[06:46] <nixternal> Jucato: i just noticed my rsync as well
[06:46] <Jucato> hm.. with no way of telling that it's feisty at all :)
[06:46] <Hobbsee> the dates it was burned will
[06:46] <nixternal> one sec
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[06:46] <Hobbsee> but yeah - jus twait
[06:46] <nixternal> im booting the image now
[06:46] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:46] <nixternal> ok bye ;)
[06:46] <Jucato> :)
[06:47] <Jucato> nixternal: when you do lsb_release -a, does is still say Edgy?
[06:48] <nixternal> still booting
[06:48] <Jucato> ah :)
[06:48] <Jucato> sorry to have disturbed you. almost midnight there, right?
[06:48] <nixternal> it sure does
[06:48] <nixternal> still says edgy ;(
[06:48] <nixternal> rediculous
[06:48] <Jucato> heh...
[06:49] <Jucato> oh my download is over in a few minutes.... now I can check if I messed up rsync :)
[06:54] <Jucato> yep... didn't mess up my rsync after all :)
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[11:16] <freeflying_> Riddell: ping
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[03:20] <nixternal> /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off
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[03:20] <nixternal> 2.6.19-7-generic kernel
[03:20] <nixternal> been a long time since i have seen one of these
[03:21] <Hobbsee> what was the fix last time?
[03:21] <nixternal> i can't remember
[03:21] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:21] <nixternal> im talking quite a few years ago
[03:21] <nixternal> right before i took a Linux break
[03:21] <Hobbsee> ahhhh
[03:22] <nixternal> is this a known issue? maybe i should try the -386 image
[03:22] <Hobbsee> no idea
[03:22] <Hobbsee> and the -386 wouldnt help
[03:22] <nixternal> hrmm..i just noticed there isn't a single-user mode/safe mode in grub either
[03:23] <Hobbsee> yes,.  not sure if taht's a bug, but it's been reported
[03:23] <nixternal> thank god for the 2.6.17 kernel image
[03:23] <nixternal> the 2.6.19-5 kernel worked, and it has since regressed since the -6 image
[03:35] <freeflying_> nixternal: seems it was fixed
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[06:13] <nixternal> arg
[06:13] <nixternal> thought we were in here
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[07:08] <imbrandon> Lure: thanks for the help on the last 2 kubuntu sessions
[07:11] <nixternal> damn imbrandon you have packaging 101 next...load up on the dew now bud
[07:19] <guglielf> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PackagingBasics <--- could this be a good point to start with packaging kubuntu apps?
[07:21] <Lure> imbrandon: no problem
[07:21] <nixternal> guglielf: actually check out the Ubuntu Packaging Guide located in KHelpCenter or https://help.ubuntu.com as well
[07:22] <guglielf> nixternal: k, thanks
[07:22] <nixternal> no problem
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[09:38] <fdoving> imbrandon: did you do anything concerning the flash installer in konq?
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[11:12] <Riddell> hi all
[11:12] <Riddell> nice week?
[11:12] <robotgeek> howdy Riddell , hope you had a good vacation
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[11:16] <jdong> oh thank goodness Riddell's back. man, we need you. everything is broken and everyone's uploading more breakages help!! (j/k)
[11:16] <jdong> more seriously, how are you, Riddell :)
[11:17] <gnomefreak> lol
[11:18] <gnomefreak> Riddell: did you have a good holiday?
[11:19] <Riddell> good enough thanks
[11:20] <Riddell> any sign of Herd 1?
[11:20] <gnomefreak> no not yet
[11:22] <Riddell> did koffice 1.6.1 get out?
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[11:22] <gnomefreak> i heard it was uploaded but nothing has been released in repos yet
[11:23] <Riddell> they have, and it was announced on the dot too
[11:24] <gnomefreak> 1:1.5.2-0ubuntu2 0 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Packages
[11:25] <gnomefreak> i had to add the edgy repo to get it. but uploads seemed to have stopped for the week due to freeze and open week
[11:25] <Riddell> oh aye, how was open week?
[11:26] <gnomefreak> good turn outs everything went fairly smooth
[11:27] <Riddell> are we now mortal enemies with suse?
[11:27] <jdong> Riddell: no, hurd 1 is still a long ways off, there's several engineering side issues that have not been addressed yet...
[11:28] <gnomefreak> jdong: can they unfreeze if its gonna be that long?
[11:28] <jdong> gnomefreak: it's gonna be difficult for sure :)
[11:28] <gnomefreak> im waiting for universe packages atm but seems noone is letting them through
[11:28] <jdong> but if Debian can thaw out that quickly after a release hurd shouldn't be that bad
[11:28] <gnomefreak> although they say universe is open
[11:29] <jdong> universe never freezes for an alpha CD
[11:29] <jdong> only main does
[11:29] <gnomefreak> jdong: the package was uploaded wed. its now sat. night still no sign
[11:29] <gnomefreak> lol
[11:30] <gnomefreak> matter of fact no new packages since freeze for any of the archives
[11:30] <gnomefreak> oh sorry initramfs-tools and one other one just as critical
[11:31] <gnomefreak> brb dinner
[11:35] <apokryphos> hi Riddell; we missed you ;-)
[11:37] <Riddell> hi apokryphos baby
[11:38] <apokryphos> how was Croatia?
[11:38] <apokryphos> my parents went there a few months ago actually, for a conference. Some beautiful things there
[11:38] <Riddell> for the most part it was closed
[11:38] <apokryphos> also didn't realise how close the border was to St. Petersberg
[11:38] <Riddell> they only open in the summer it seems
[11:39] <Riddell> St Petersberg?  In Russia?
[11:39] <apokryphos> yes
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[11:40] <apokryphos> noo, just realised it was Estonia where they went :)
[11:41] <apokryphos> they went to Croatia a few weeks after that; dang, it's Estonia that's near Russia, of course. /me kicks his bad geography-lacking brain
[11:41] <Riddell> phew, thought I was going mad
[11:41] <Riddell> well I'm knackered, off to bed
[11:41] <apokryphos> 'night
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