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Dominus_SuusI think that I accidentally disabled my wiki access in Launchpad, could someone help me get it back?12:39
Dominus_Suus(yes, I know I'm an idiot)12:39
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somerville32When I try to set the milestone (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/products/xubuntu-welcome-center/+spec/xubuntu-welcome-center/+milestone) I get an integrity error.02:02
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ezenu3Is it possible to do a more complex search with launchpad for bugs.. well, just a simple AND. e.g., "users-admin AND help"02:03
somerville32Any lp admins around?02:12
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_thumper_lifeless, sabdfl, although you have probably seen it, just in case you haven't: http://www.niallkennedy.com/blog/archives/2006/11/google-mondrian.html09:35
_thumper_btw, hello09:36
somerville32Hi :)09:37
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kiko-zzzsomerville32, what's up?10:07
somerville32Can you rename a product's unix name for me and it's bazaar branches to match?10:07
somerville32I'd like xubuntu-welcome-center to be renamed to xubuntu-welcome-centre10:07
somerville32Please10:07
somerville32:)10:07
somerville32And there is code attached to that product, so if the branch prefix (?) could be renamed too, that would be great :] 10:08
kiko-zzzmmmmm10:10
kiko-zzzcan you not change the product name yourself?10:10
somerville32Not the unix name, I don't think10:11
kiko-zzzlet's see10:14
kiko-zzzhi SteveA 10:14
kiko-zzzsomerville32, you're right10:15
kiko-zzzI will rename it10:15
kiko-zzzI think the branch names are changed as well10:15
kiko-zzzbut you'll need to check for that with ddaa10:15
kiko-zzzdone.10:16
somerville32Also, I get an error when I try to set the milestone for my specification10:16
somerville32Something about an integrity error10:16
kiko-zzzI saw that in the oops report today10:16
somerville32Also, I can't "administer" my spec, I get a permission denied.10:16
kiko-zzzwhy is that link even available to you?10:17
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kiko-zzzsomerville32, okay, the reason is that you're choosing a milestone that isn't for your produce10:19
kiko-zzzproduct sorry10:19
kiko-zzzthe funny thing is10:19
kiko-zzzwhy do we even list the others?10:19
kiko-zzzmatsubara will have fun with the report10:19
kiko-zzzsomerville32, you need to create a milestone for your product first.10:19
kiko-zzzhttps://launchpad.net/products/xubuntu-welcome-centre/trunk/+addmilestone10:20
kiko-zzzthen pick that milestone out of the list 10:20
kiko-zzzthere are about three bugs in this entire interaction10:20
kiko-zzzbut it works10:20
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somerville32_doh10:22
kiko-zzzheh10:22
kiko-zzzsomerville32, how much did you get?10:23
somerville32QUOTE:10:23
somerville32<kiko-zzz> I saw that in the oops report today10:23
somerville32<somerville32> Also, I can't "administer" my spec, I get a permission denied.10:23
kiko-zzzthat was it?10:23
kiko-zzz<kiko-zzz> why is that link even available to you?10:23
kiko-zzz* kiko-zzz sighs10:23
kiko-zzz<kiko-zzz> somerville32, okay, the reason is that you're choosing a milestone that isn't for your produce10:23
kiko-zzz<kiko-zzz> product sorry10:23
kiko-zzz<kiko-zzz> the funny thing is10:23
kiko-zzz<kiko-zzz> why do we even list the others?10:23
kiko-zzz<kiko-zzz> matsubara will have fun with the report10:23
kiko-zzz<kiko-zzz> somerville32, you need to create a milestone for your product first.10:23
kiko-zzz<kiko-zzz> https://launchpad.net/products/xubuntu-welcome-centre/trunk/+addmilestone10:23
kiko-zzz<kiko-zzz> then pick that milestone out of the list 10:23
kiko-zzz<kiko-zzz> there are about three bugs in this entire interaction10:23
kiko-zzz<kiko-zzz> but it works10:23
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lifeless_thumper_: interesting10:25
somerville32But I want it to be a ubuntu milestone, haha10:25
somerville32Do10:25
somerville32*Doh10:25
_thumper_lifeless: yeah, beaten again10:25
lifelesssomerville32: you can renamed it yourself, if its your product10:25
kiko-zzzlifeless, hmm, apparently renaming is in +admin10:25
lifelesssomerville32: if its not, then you can't, and an admin wont without discussion with the owner10:25
lifelesskiko-zzz: is it? crack10:26
kiko-zzzyou said it mon10:26
somerville32I'm the owner :] 10:26
kiko-zzzwell, the reason it's not allowed to +edit10:26
kiko-zzzis that it potentially linkrots10:26
kiko-zzzI'm not sure is that's valid or not but it's a reason10:26
lifeless_thumper_: beaten? I dont think so. Thats internal, and built on fundamentally different assumptions10:26
kiko-zzzhey _thumper_ 10:26
_thumper_lifeless: yeah, quite different if you think about it10:26
kiko-zzzyour timezone utterly sucks :-P10:27
_thumper_kiko-zzz: hello10:27
lifeless_thumper_: however, theres a bunch of ideas there that we had not got to - and thats something we should build towards asap :)10:27
somerville32It would nice if products could be attached to a team or person10:27
_thumper_tell me about it10:27
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kiko-zzzsomerville32, they are attached to you through ownership10:27
_thumper_12 UTC thursday won't be too nice for me10:27
lifelesskiko-zzz: _thumper_ is in the perfect timezone. Greet the SUN10:27
somerville32kiko-zzz: But it isn't listed on my lp page10:27
kiko-zzzlifeless, sorry, but no.10:27
lifelesskiko-zzz: first county in the world to get new years :)10:28
kiko-zzzsomerville32, that's a bug. one day I might even fix it!10:28
somerville32:] 10:28
kiko-zzzthat report is so old I think it has only 3 digits10:28
kiko-zzzif I fix it I get a week in paris being tended to by naked nurses10:28
somerville32re: milestone10:28
kiko-zzzso I'm saving up10:28
kiko-zzzyes somerville32 10:29
_thumper_lifeless: do you sit in on the lp meetings?10:29
kiko-zzzdid you see my advice? you can't use an ubuntu milestone (sorry that the UI confuses you)10:29
kiko-zzz_thumper_, I miss you at the lp meetings btw10:29
somerville32It would be logical for us to set the milestone for the ubuntu milestone because thats when we plan it to be included10:29
_thumper_kiko-zzz: back this week10:29
kiko-zzzsomerville32, I know10:29
_thumper_start monday10:29
lifeless_thumper_: sometimes. I check the agenda, and also it depends on how much sleep I'm lacking at the time.10:29
kiko-zzz_thumper_, that's great to hear. 10:29
_thumper_1am is gunna suck though10:30
lifeless_thumper_: I make the bzr-launchpad meetings fairly religiously though.10:30
kiko-zzzhe misses them because he has managed to wean himself out of any official team with meetings10:30
lifelesskiko-zzz: review team ? :)10:30
_thumper_I like that plan10:30
lifelesskiko-zzz: its a tradeoff - less weekly meetings, more sprints. go figure.10:30
kiko-zzz_thumper_, if you complain enough we might be able to make it a rotating meeting schedule, but DON'T TELL ANYBODY I SAID THAT10:30
_thumper_I'm going to suggest a rolling meeting time10:31
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kiko-zzzla la la10:31
_thumper_kiko-zzz, it has been said before10:31
kiko-zzzLA LA LA10:31
_thumper_I really need to start organising my time in April10:31
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somerville32kiko: A link to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/products/xubuntu-welcome-centre/+spec/xubuntu-welcome-center/+admin on that specification page has shown up for me10:32
_thumper_I'm heading back to UK for ACCU conference10:32
somerville32However, I get permission denied.10:32
_thumper_but it'd suck to only be back for one week10:32
somerville32Is that suppose to be like that?10:32
_thumper_so gunna suggest some time with SteveA and ddaa10:32
kiko-zzzsomerville32, that's a bug. no. if you report it I will fix it10:32
somerville32Is the bug that the link is visible or that I can't access it?10:33
kiko-zzzthe former10:33
kiko-zzzit's a pretty useless page anyway10:33
_thumper_off for now, but fully in the loop from monday :)10:33
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kiko-zzzsomerville32, are you all set? I need to find some breakfast10:35
somerville32Yu[/10:35
somerville32ERr.10:35
somerville32Yup.10:35
kiko-zzzc00/10:35
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UbugtuNew bug: #74136 in launchpad "+admin link visible to non-admin" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7413610:45
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kiko-zzzhey jamesh 12:07
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dandhello can anyone here confirm if it's safe to translate openoffice in rosetta yet? (in terms of translation not being lost)01:56
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outimedand, I'm using Rosetta for translate many packages of Ubuntu and I don't lost anything02:20
mdkeyou can translate Ubuntu Dapper/Edgy without worrying, I think02:21
mdkenot sure about openoffice as a product02:22
mdkeit is marked as "Doesnt use Rosett"02:22
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bubullehello around....are there any Rosetta admins around?03:20
mdkedanilo[out] :03:20
mdke^^03:21
mdke;)03:21
danilo[out] bubulle: hey, how can I help? :)03:21
=== bubulle would like to talk about Debian installer l10n on Rosetta
danilo[out] dand: you can translate ooo using rosetta, and we'll try to make sure nothing is lost (there might be some losses because of incompatibilities when we switch to native ooo support stuff)03:22
bubullehttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/debian-installer/+pots/debian-installer has things that look like old D-I stuff + some Ubuntu specific strings03:22
bubullehowever, we (D-I team) have some translators who use Rosetta as base tool for their work and we can't make them converge to something really complete as they're missing strings to work on03:23
danilo[out] bubulle: those are things which are part of ubuntu edgy packages03:23
danddanilo[out] : any chance for manually uploading some pos for ooo? :) 03:23
bubulledanilo[out] : yeah, this is what I figured out, more or less...03:23
danilo[out] bubulle: we'd be delighted to offer you official rosetta support, if you're so inclined :)03:24
bubulledanilos: hmmm, I wouldn't go that far...:-)...but, for the benefit of our both i18n teams, I think that updating PO's in Rosetta from the current PO in D-I would be good03:24
danilosdand: not at the moment: we've managed to block the upload forms even for rosetta admins, and we need to work around that as soon as possible03:24
danddand: k, well luck with that03:25
danilosbubulle: it's not that simple; those PO files would end up in the next language pack update for Ubuntu Edgy, which means that it will break for all Ubuntu users03:25
bubulledanilos: well, maybe not if we *merge* the PO's without losing strings03:26
danilosbubulle: another option is to have official support for d-i as a product, and let *you* handle conflicts (i.e. duplicated work and updates)03:26
bubullehmmm, I'm not sure about what does the above mean03:26
danilosbubulle: right, that would be possible if we create union of both your POTs and Ubuntu Edgy POTs03:27
bubulleyep, that would be the point03:27
danilosbubulle: well, you can have d-i use Rosetta for translation officially, yet, someone might translate it in Rosetta while you've got other upstream team working on it03:28
danilosbubulle: I think we might be able to arrange this so only some teams/languages are allowed to use Rosetta for d-i translation, but I'll need to check with carlos and kiko-zzz03:28
bubulleyeah, could be something like that. As you may figure out, there's a very litle chance that we use Rosetta *only* but I don't want some of the translation teams to be left aside if they're more comfortable with Rosetta03:30
bubulleactually, this is pretty important for the Kurdish team because if they want D-I translated (which also means next Ubuntu release, if I'm correct), they have to complete the D-I strings....03:31
bubullethey currently work only in Rosetta with me grabbing the file from time to time (/me wishes this could be automated)03:31
danilosright: as I said, I am willing to look into this, if you think having simple per-language team restrictions (and we/you approve the teams) will work well enough for d-i03:31
bubulleyeah, I think that it should work03:31
bubulleI don't know how many strings are specific to either Debian or Ubuntu but after our common efforts to reduce branding, I'd say there a not that many03:32
daniloscan you please file a ticket about it https://launchpad.net/products/rosetta/+addticket03:32
danddanilos: was wondering, when switching to native ooo support will the pot files grouping (ooo-base.pot, ooo-writer.pot etc.) be changed?03:33
danilos(ticket ensures it's not lost, and all rosetta admins can see it and act upon it: we can also discuss it into more detail there :)03:33
danilosdand: most likely it will03:33
bubulledanilos: I can, but I'm a little unsure about what to say there..:)...Something like "please merge Debian and Ubuntu POs and POTs" in d-i in Rosetta?03:33
danilosdand: but we'll try to make it as seamless as possible03:33
danilosbubulle: I was more thinking about allowing *some* teams to translate upstream d-i using rosetta03:34
bubulleah, ok03:34
bubullewould you mean d-i being another product aside with the current "debian-installer"?03:35
danilosi.e. we won't be merging POTs and putting that into current edgy stuff (that would break with each ubuntu package update)03:35
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danilosbubulle: no, I mean something like https://launchpad.net/products/debian-installer03:36
danilosbubulle: we enable the translation there, but limit it to only languages we agree on, and teams we create03:37
bubulleah, ok....03:38
danilosbubulle: so no duplicate work happens, and you've got complete control over the POTs and everything03:38
bubullehow does the update of POT and POs work in such case?03:38
danilosthe same, you can simply upload a POT whenever you wish (there're some VCS integration options as well, but I don't really know much about them yet), and you can fetch a tarball or single PO files the same way you do know03:39
daniloss/know/now/ ;)03:40
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bubulleso that would need VCS integration for sure03:42
danilosright, but I don't think we're there yet03:44
danilosbut I don't think you need to update POs every single day03:44
danilosjust doing so before a release is usually good enough03:44
danilosi.e. "update POs" = you downloading translations from Launchpad and putting them into d-i03:45
danilos"update POTs" = you uploading POTs from d-i into Launchpad03:45
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danilosall the other stuff is done automatically by Launchpad (i.e. POs updated with every new POT etc.)03:45
bubullehmmmm, given the development model we use, very frequent updates are a must-have, and if possible both ways. One has to remember that "D-I" is made of something like 60 packages, not all of them being released at the same time03:47
bubulleand much of the testing is made on daily built images, thus making important to have POs being as recent as possible.03:48
bubullewe could even setup builds from the SVN in the future, which would help new teams to test D-I in their language as early as possible03:48
danilosPOs will be as recent as POTs are04:05
danilosat least those in Rosetta04:05
daniloswe can probably work something out to automate it all04:05
danilos(i.e. we might be able to provide automatic daily regeneration of PO tarballs, and email you the link)04:06
danilosbubulle: it would still be up to you to update POTs frequently, though04:06
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danilo-afkbubulle: don't forget the ticket or this issue might be all forgotten04:17
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RichiHthe faq is not completely specific about this: translations done via rosetta fall under the same licence as they belong to or the same as rosetta?05:36
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danilo-afkRichiH: we'll be cleaning that up; at the moment, they're under the license of what is being translated, yet reusable in any other project using rosetta07:37
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RichiHdanilo-afk: i doubt anyone would be able to use the texts i have in mind ;)09:11
RichiHapart from us, that is09:11
RichiHlong story short, the freenode website and perhaps even the *serv help should be translated at some point. initially, i thought of doing it on my on, but i found out about you guys and the gnu translation efforts09:12
RichiHi mean, i can do german and will help with that. but the other languages..09:13
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RichiHis this here compatible with rosetta?09:31
RichiHhttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/2.0/09:32
RichiHnote that it's nd09:32
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dominussuusCould somebody help me fix a problem with my Launchpad account, please?10:07
flacostedominussuus: what's the problem?10:17
dominussuusflacoste: I'm an idiot and I disabled my launchpad wiki space10:23
flacostewhat do you mean?10:23
flacostewhat's your launchpad account?10:23
dominussuusflacoste: my ubuntu wiki access is controlled by my launchpad account, right?10:23
flacostei think so10:24
dominussuusright, and I think I ticked and saved the 'disable wiki forever' box on my wiki preferences10:25
flacosteon wiki.ubuntu.com?10:25
dominussuusyes - so now when I try to log into the ubuntu wiki system using my launchpad account it says it doesn't recognise my password10:26
dominussuuswhich I know is correct because I can log into launchpad10:26
flacosteok, so this is a problem that can be solved by an ubuntu wiki admin10:27
dominussuusI should hope so10:27
flacostemaybe try to find one in #ubuntu10:27
flacosteotherwise file a support request on launchpad, and one of the Launchapd admin will take care of finding the right person to fix that on Monday10:27
flacostehttps://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+addticket10:28
dominussuusthanks :)10:29
dominussuussome other people have done similar things - I tacked on my name to one of those requests.  Do you think that they'll find it?10:31
flacostedominussuus: hmm, better to file a separate request10:33
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