[12:39] <Dominus_Suus> I think that I accidentally disabled my wiki access in Launchpad, could someone help me get it back?
[12:39] <Dominus_Suus> (yes, I know I'm an idiot)
[02:02] <somerville32> When I try to set the milestone (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/products/xubuntu-welcome-center/+spec/xubuntu-welcome-center/+milestone) I get an integrity error.
[02:03] <ezenu3> Is it possible to do a more complex search with launchpad for bugs.. well, just a simple AND. e.g., "users-admin AND help"
[02:12] <somerville32> Any lp admins around?
[09:35] <_thumper_> lifeless, sabdfl, although you have probably seen it, just in case you haven't: http://www.niallkennedy.com/blog/archives/2006/11/google-mondrian.html
[09:36] <_thumper_> btw, hello
[09:37] <somerville32> Hi :)
[10:07] <kiko-zzz> somerville32, what's up?
[10:07] <somerville32> Can you rename a product's unix name for me and it's bazaar branches to match?
[10:07] <somerville32> I'd like xubuntu-welcome-center to be renamed to xubuntu-welcome-centre
[10:07] <somerville32> Please
[10:07] <somerville32> :)
[10:08] <somerville32> And there is code attached to that product, so if the branch prefix (?) could be renamed too, that would be great :] 
[10:10] <kiko-zzz> mmmmm
[10:10] <kiko-zzz> can you not change the product name yourself?
[10:11] <somerville32> Not the unix name, I don't think
[10:14] <kiko-zzz> let's see
[10:14] <kiko-zzz> hi SteveA 
[10:15] <kiko-zzz> somerville32, you're right
[10:15] <kiko-zzz> I will rename it
[10:15] <kiko-zzz> I think the branch names are changed as well
[10:15] <kiko-zzz> but you'll need to check for that with ddaa
[10:16] <kiko-zzz> done.
[10:16] <somerville32> Also, I get an error when I try to set the milestone for my specification
[10:16] <somerville32> Something about an integrity error
[10:16] <kiko-zzz> I saw that in the oops report today
[10:16] <somerville32> Also, I can't "administer" my spec, I get a permission denied.
[10:17] <kiko-zzz> why is that link even available to you?
[10:19] <kiko-zzz> somerville32, okay, the reason is that you're choosing a milestone that isn't for your produce
[10:19] <kiko-zzz> product sorry
[10:19] <kiko-zzz> the funny thing is
[10:19] <kiko-zzz> why do we even list the others?
[10:19] <kiko-zzz> matsubara will have fun with the report
[10:19] <kiko-zzz> somerville32, you need to create a milestone for your product first.
[10:20] <kiko-zzz> https://launchpad.net/products/xubuntu-welcome-centre/trunk/+addmilestone
[10:20] <kiko-zzz> then pick that milestone out of the list 
[10:20] <kiko-zzz> there are about three bugs in this entire interaction
[10:20] <kiko-zzz> but it works
[10:22] <somerville32_> doh
[10:22] <kiko-zzz> heh
[10:23] <kiko-zzz> somerville32, how much did you get?
[10:23] <somerville32> QUOTE:
 I saw that in the oops report today
 Also, I can't "administer" my spec, I get a permission denied.
[10:23] <kiko-zzz> that was it?
 why is that link even available to you?
[10:23] <kiko-zzz> * kiko-zzz sighs
 somerville32, okay, the reason is that you're choosing a milestone that isn't for your produce
 product sorry
 the funny thing is
 why do we even list the others?
 matsubara will have fun with the report
 somerville32, you need to create a milestone for your product first.
 https://launchpad.net/products/xubuntu-welcome-centre/trunk/+addmilestone
 then pick that milestone out of the list 
 there are about three bugs in this entire interaction
 but it works
[10:25] <lifeless> _thumper_: interesting
[10:25] <somerville32> But I want it to be a ubuntu milestone, haha
[10:25] <somerville32> Do
[10:25] <somerville32> *Doh
[10:25] <_thumper_> lifeless: yeah, beaten again
[10:25] <lifeless> somerville32: you can renamed it yourself, if its your product
[10:25] <kiko-zzz> lifeless, hmm, apparently renaming is in +admin
[10:25] <lifeless> somerville32: if its not, then you can't, and an admin wont without discussion with the owner
[10:26] <lifeless> kiko-zzz: is it? crack
[10:26] <kiko-zzz> you said it mon
[10:26] <somerville32> I'm the owner :] 
[10:26] <kiko-zzz> well, the reason it's not allowed to +edit
[10:26] <kiko-zzz> is that it potentially linkrots
[10:26] <kiko-zzz> I'm not sure is that's valid or not but it's a reason
[10:26] <lifeless> _thumper_: beaten? I dont think so. Thats internal, and built on fundamentally different assumptions
[10:26] <kiko-zzz> hey _thumper_ 
[10:26] <_thumper_> lifeless: yeah, quite different if you think about it
[10:27] <kiko-zzz> your timezone utterly sucks :-P
[10:27] <_thumper_> kiko-zzz: hello
[10:27] <lifeless> _thumper_: however, theres a bunch of ideas there that we had not got to - and thats something we should build towards asap :)
[10:27] <somerville32> It would nice if products could be attached to a team or person
[10:27] <_thumper_> tell me about it
[10:27] <kiko-zzz> somerville32, they are attached to you through ownership
[10:27] <_thumper_> 12 UTC thursday won't be too nice for me
[10:27] <lifeless> kiko-zzz: _thumper_ is in the perfect timezone. Greet the SUN
[10:27] <somerville32> kiko-zzz: But it isn't listed on my lp page
[10:27] <kiko-zzz> lifeless, sorry, but no.
[10:28] <lifeless> kiko-zzz: first county in the world to get new years :)
[10:28] <kiko-zzz> somerville32, that's a bug. one day I might even fix it!
[10:28] <somerville32> :] 
[10:28] <kiko-zzz> that report is so old I think it has only 3 digits
[10:28] <kiko-zzz> if I fix it I get a week in paris being tended to by naked nurses
[10:28] <somerville32> re: milestone
[10:28] <kiko-zzz> so I'm saving up
[10:29] <kiko-zzz> yes somerville32 
[10:29] <_thumper_> lifeless: do you sit in on the lp meetings?
[10:29] <kiko-zzz> did you see my advice? you can't use an ubuntu milestone (sorry that the UI confuses you)
[10:29] <kiko-zzz> _thumper_, I miss you at the lp meetings btw
[10:29] <somerville32> It would be logical for us to set the milestone for the ubuntu milestone because thats when we plan it to be included
[10:29] <_thumper_> kiko-zzz: back this week
[10:29] <kiko-zzz> somerville32, I know
[10:29] <_thumper_> start monday
[10:29] <lifeless> _thumper_: sometimes. I check the agenda, and also it depends on how much sleep I'm lacking at the time.
[10:29] <kiko-zzz> _thumper_, that's great to hear. 
[10:30] <_thumper_> 1am is gunna suck though
[10:30] <lifeless> _thumper_: I make the bzr-launchpad meetings fairly religiously though.
[10:30] <kiko-zzz> he misses them because he has managed to wean himself out of any official team with meetings
[10:30] <lifeless> kiko-zzz: review team ? :)
[10:30] <_thumper_> I like that plan
[10:30] <lifeless> kiko-zzz: its a tradeoff - less weekly meetings, more sprints. go figure.
[10:30] <kiko-zzz> _thumper_, if you complain enough we might be able to make it a rotating meeting schedule, but DON'T TELL ANYBODY I SAID THAT
[10:31] <_thumper_> I'm going to suggest a rolling meeting time
[10:31] <kiko-zzz> la la la
[10:31] <_thumper_> kiko-zzz, it has been said before
[10:31] <kiko-zzz> LA LA LA
[10:31] <_thumper_> I really need to start organising my time in April
[10:32] <somerville32> kiko: A link to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/products/xubuntu-welcome-centre/+spec/xubuntu-welcome-center/+admin on that specification page has shown up for me
[10:32] <_thumper_> I'm heading back to UK for ACCU conference
[10:32] <somerville32> However, I get permission denied.
[10:32] <_thumper_> but it'd suck to only be back for one week
[10:32] <somerville32> Is that suppose to be like that?
[10:32] <_thumper_> so gunna suggest some time with SteveA and ddaa
[10:32] <kiko-zzz> somerville32, that's a bug. no. if you report it I will fix it
[10:33] <somerville32> Is the bug that the link is visible or that I can't access it?
[10:33] <kiko-zzz> the former
[10:33] <kiko-zzz> it's a pretty useless page anyway
[10:33] <_thumper_> off for now, but fully in the loop from monday :)
[10:35] <kiko-zzz> somerville32, are you all set? I need to find some breakfast
[10:35] <somerville32> Yu[/
[10:35] <somerville32> ERr.
[10:35] <somerville32> Yup.
[10:35] <kiko-zzz> c00/
[10:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74136 in launchpad "+admin link visible to non-admin" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74136
[12:07] <kiko-zzz> hey jamesh 
[01:56] <dand> hello can anyone here confirm if it's safe to translate openoffice in rosetta yet? (in terms of translation not being lost)
[02:20] <outime> dand, I'm using Rosetta for translate many packages of Ubuntu and I don't lost anything
[02:21] <mdke> you can translate Ubuntu Dapper/Edgy without worrying, I think
[02:22] <mdke> not sure about openoffice as a product
[02:22] <mdke> it is marked as "Doesnt use Rosett"
[03:20] <bubulle> hello around....are there any Rosetta admins around?
[03:20] <mdke> danilo[out] :
[03:21] <mdke> ^^
[03:21] <mdke> ;)
[03:21] <danilo[out] > bubulle: hey, how can I help? :)
[03:22] <danilo[out] > dand: you can translate ooo using rosetta, and we'll try to make sure nothing is lost (there might be some losses because of incompatibilities when we switch to native ooo support stuff)
[03:22] <bubulle> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/debian-installer/+pots/debian-installer has things that look like old D-I stuff + some Ubuntu specific strings
[03:23] <bubulle> however, we (D-I team) have some translators who use Rosetta as base tool for their work and we can't make them converge to something really complete as they're missing strings to work on
[03:23] <danilo[out] > bubulle: those are things which are part of ubuntu edgy packages
[03:23] <dand> danilo[out] : any chance for manually uploading some pos for ooo? :) 
[03:23] <bubulle> danilo[out] : yeah, this is what I figured out, more or less...
[03:24] <danilo[out] > bubulle: we'd be delighted to offer you official rosetta support, if you're so inclined :)
[03:24] <bubulle> danilos: hmmm, I wouldn't go that far...:-)...but, for the benefit of our both i18n teams, I think that updating PO's in Rosetta from the current PO in D-I would be good
[03:24] <danilos> dand: not at the moment: we've managed to block the upload forms even for rosetta admins, and we need to work around that as soon as possible
[03:25] <dand> dand: k, well luck with that
[03:25] <danilos> bubulle: it's not that simple; those PO files would end up in the next language pack update for Ubuntu Edgy, which means that it will break for all Ubuntu users
[03:26] <bubulle> danilos: well, maybe not if we *merge* the PO's without losing strings
[03:26] <danilos> bubulle: another option is to have official support for d-i as a product, and let *you* handle conflicts (i.e. duplicated work and updates)
[03:26] <bubulle> hmmm, I'm not sure about what does the above mean
[03:27] <danilos> bubulle: right, that would be possible if we create union of both your POTs and Ubuntu Edgy POTs
[03:27] <bubulle> yep, that would be the point
[03:28] <danilos> bubulle: well, you can have d-i use Rosetta for translation officially, yet, someone might translate it in Rosetta while you've got other upstream team working on it
[03:28] <danilos> bubulle: I think we might be able to arrange this so only some teams/languages are allowed to use Rosetta for d-i translation, but I'll need to check with carlos and kiko-zzz
[03:30] <bubulle> yeah, could be something like that. As you may figure out, there's a very litle chance that we use Rosetta *only* but I don't want some of the translation teams to be left aside if they're more comfortable with Rosetta
[03:31] <bubulle> actually, this is pretty important for the Kurdish team because if they want D-I translated (which also means next Ubuntu release, if I'm correct), they have to complete the D-I strings....
[03:31] <bubulle> they currently work only in Rosetta with me grabbing the file from time to time (/me wishes this could be automated)
[03:31] <danilos> right: as I said, I am willing to look into this, if you think having simple per-language team restrictions (and we/you approve the teams) will work well enough for d-i
[03:31] <bubulle> yeah, I think that it should work
[03:32] <bubulle> I don't know how many strings are specific to either Debian or Ubuntu but after our common efforts to reduce branding, I'd say there a not that many
[03:32] <danilos> can you please file a ticket about it https://launchpad.net/products/rosetta/+addticket
[03:33] <dand> danilos: was wondering, when switching to native ooo support will the pot files grouping (ooo-base.pot, ooo-writer.pot etc.) be changed?
[03:33] <danilos> (ticket ensures it's not lost, and all rosetta admins can see it and act upon it: we can also discuss it into more detail there :)
[03:33] <danilos> dand: most likely it will
[03:33] <bubulle> danilos: I can, but I'm a little unsure about what to say there..:)...Something like "please merge Debian and Ubuntu POs and POTs" in d-i in Rosetta?
[03:33] <danilos> dand: but we'll try to make it as seamless as possible
[03:34] <danilos> bubulle: I was more thinking about allowing *some* teams to translate upstream d-i using rosetta
[03:34] <bubulle> ah, ok
[03:35] <bubulle> would you mean d-i being another product aside with the current "debian-installer"?
[03:35] <danilos> i.e. we won't be merging POTs and putting that into current edgy stuff (that would break with each ubuntu package update)
[03:36] <danilos> bubulle: no, I mean something like https://launchpad.net/products/debian-installer
[03:37] <danilos> bubulle: we enable the translation there, but limit it to only languages we agree on, and teams we create
[03:38] <bubulle> ah, ok....
[03:38] <danilos> bubulle: so no duplicate work happens, and you've got complete control over the POTs and everything
[03:38] <bubulle> how does the update of POT and POs work in such case?
[03:39] <danilos> the same, you can simply upload a POT whenever you wish (there're some VCS integration options as well, but I don't really know much about them yet), and you can fetch a tarball or single PO files the same way you do know
[03:40] <danilos> s/know/now/ ;)
[03:42] <bubulle> so that would need VCS integration for sure
[03:44] <danilos> right, but I don't think we're there yet
[03:44] <danilos> but I don't think you need to update POs every single day
[03:44] <danilos> just doing so before a release is usually good enough
[03:45] <danilos> i.e. "update POs" = you downloading translations from Launchpad and putting them into d-i
[03:45] <danilos> "update POTs" = you uploading POTs from d-i into Launchpad
[03:45] <danilos> all the other stuff is done automatically by Launchpad (i.e. POs updated with every new POT etc.)
[03:47] <bubulle> hmmmm, given the development model we use, very frequent updates are a must-have, and if possible both ways. One has to remember that "D-I" is made of something like 60 packages, not all of them being released at the same time
[03:48] <bubulle> and much of the testing is made on daily built images, thus making important to have POs being as recent as possible.
[03:48] <bubulle> we could even setup builds from the SVN in the future, which would help new teams to test D-I in their language as early as possible
[04:05] <danilos> POs will be as recent as POTs are
[04:05] <danilos> at least those in Rosetta
[04:05] <danilos> we can probably work something out to automate it all
[04:06] <danilos> (i.e. we might be able to provide automatic daily regeneration of PO tarballs, and email you the link)
[04:06] <danilos> bubulle: it would still be up to you to update POTs frequently, though
[04:17] <danilo-afk> bubulle: don't forget the ticket or this issue might be all forgotten
[05:36] <RichiH> the faq is not completely specific about this: translations done via rosetta fall under the same licence as they belong to or the same as rosetta?
[07:37] <danilo-afk> RichiH: we'll be cleaning that up; at the moment, they're under the license of what is being translated, yet reusable in any other project using rosetta
[09:11] <RichiH> danilo-afk: i doubt anyone would be able to use the texts i have in mind ;)
[09:11] <RichiH> apart from us, that is
[09:12] <RichiH> long story short, the freenode website and perhaps even the *serv help should be translated at some point. initially, i thought of doing it on my on, but i found out about you guys and the gnu translation efforts
[09:13] <RichiH> i mean, i can do german and will help with that. but the other languages..
[09:31] <RichiH> is this here compatible with rosetta?
[09:32] <RichiH> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/2.0/
[09:32] <RichiH> note that it's nd
[10:07] <dominussuus> Could somebody help me fix a problem with my Launchpad account, please?
[10:17] <flacoste> dominussuus: what's the problem?
[10:23] <dominussuus> flacoste: I'm an idiot and I disabled my launchpad wiki space
[10:23] <flacoste> what do you mean?
[10:23] <flacoste> what's your launchpad account?
[10:23] <dominussuus> flacoste: my ubuntu wiki access is controlled by my launchpad account, right?
[10:24] <flacoste> i think so
[10:25] <dominussuus> right, and I think I ticked and saved the 'disable wiki forever' box on my wiki preferences
[10:25] <flacoste> on wiki.ubuntu.com?
[10:26] <dominussuus> yes - so now when I try to log into the ubuntu wiki system using my launchpad account it says it doesn't recognise my password
[10:26] <dominussuus> which I know is correct because I can log into launchpad
[10:27] <flacoste> ok, so this is a problem that can be solved by an ubuntu wiki admin
[10:27] <dominussuus> I should hope so
[10:27] <flacoste> maybe try to find one in #ubuntu
[10:27] <flacoste> otherwise file a support request on launchpad, and one of the Launchapd admin will take care of finding the right person to fix that on Monday
[10:28] <flacoste> https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+addticket
[10:29] <dominussuus> thanks :)
[10:31] <dominussuus> some other people have done similar things - I tacked on my name to one of those requests.  Do you think that they'll find it?
[10:33] <flacoste> dominussuus: hmm, better to file a separate request