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ah, but i ... couldn't calculate time [09:04] hehe [09:04] a mistake [09:04] @NOW [09:04] Current time in Etc/UTC: December 02 2006, 08:04:54 [09:05] @EST [09:05] try something like those, if they help [09:06] eneried: whats up? 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Welcome to the second LoCo Teams introduction session. [04:02] As always, questions to be prefixed with QUESTION: in #ubuntu-classroom-chat and i'll fetch them as they're relevant :) [04:03] Today will be pretty much identical to Thursday's session, but of course, with different people we get a whole new bunch of cool questions. So, lets get on with things :) [04:03] My name is Melissa Draper, and I am the LoCo Team Contact for the Ubuntu Australian LoCo Team. If you are wondering what that title involves, fear not, for we will be discussing it over the course of this session. I have a wiki page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MelissaDraper that introduces me in more detail. [04:03] Over the course of this session, we will be discussing a number of aspects of LoCo Teams. This includes, but is not limited to: [04:03] * What are LoCo Teams? [04:03] * Who leads the LoCo? [04:03] * How I can find my LoCo Team? [04:03] * But, I can't see a LoCo Team for me! [04:03] * How do I start a LoCo? [04:03] * Approved vs New [04:03] * How can I get involved? [04:04] Now, lets start at the beginning. What are LoCo Teams? [04:04] A LoCo (short for Local Community) Team is a group of (in our case) Ubuntu users within a Localised Community. [04:04] The teams are run by the people, for the people. They are *not* run by Canonical, however Canonical is highly supportive of them and will provide assistance. We will cover the assistance offered later. [04:05] A LoCo can involve a lot of things such as local promotion, support in the local language, general support to local users and much more. === techno_freak [n=techno_f@59.92.62.16] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === Crusher [n=You@124-254-122-111-dsl.ispone.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [04:05] LoCo Teams can be based around location, such as in my case, Australia. === anschel [n=anschel@h-67-101-192-95.nycmny83.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [04:05] Because people in Australia speak English, there is not a strong need for language-based activities. Our primary focus is advocacy within Australia, but we do a small amount of support. [04:06] Language based teams include for instance, the Spanish Team, which is based primarily around the Spanish language and hence includes most, if not all, the Spanish-speaking countries. === samgee [n=samgee@187.82-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === quimby [n=quimby@p57A9173B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === ubunturos_ [n=ubunturo@59.184.56.198] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [04:06] Because Spanish is a very widely spoken language, the team's efforts would have a greater focus on providing support in Spanish and translating Ubuntu. There are still, of course, advocacy efforts within the team. === KillGore [n=sven@e179133134.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [04:06] One aspect of LoCo Teams that we find is also important, is that they enable and encourage people to interact with other Ubuntu users that are actually near them, as opposed to the other side of the world. [04:06] someone use my computer run firefox 2.0 running :( [04:07] computer to start / run [04:07] A single person with ideas is nothing compared to a dozen equally imaginative people :) === proppy [n=proppy@82.66.68.232] has left #ubuntu-classroom ["Killed] === anschel [n=anschel@h-67-101-192-95.nycmny83.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [04:07] Does anyone have questions about what I've covered so far? === Sup3rkiddo [n=sudharsh@59.92.60.166] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === anurag [n=anurag@59.92.67.35] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [04:08] One question we get asked a lot by new teams is "Who leads the LoCo?". [04:08] Generally, this is done by the LoCo Team Contact. === ubunturos_ [n=ubunturo@59.184.56.198] has left #ubuntu-classroom ["Konversation] [04:09] The contact may be the founder, who has self-appointed his or herself, or, he or she may have been democratically elected. === baks17 [n=barkha@gnu-india/supporter/barkha] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [04:09] There's no 'right' way to do it, and some teams even have multiple contacts. === ranf [n=ralfm@dslb-084-058-168-144.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [04:09] What works for *your team* is best, and it may take a few tries to figure out what this is. [04:10] The responsibilities of the Team Contact vary with the focus of the team, but a general guideline is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamContact === anurag [n=anurag@59.92.67.35] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === baks17 [n=barkha@gnu-india/supporter/barkha] has left #ubuntu-classroom ["Leaving"] === twerner [n=twerner@i59F750F0.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [04:10] In my role as the LoCo Team Contact for Ubuntu-Au, my responsibilities generally include maintaining regular meetings, delegating tasks, channel upkeep and moderation and so forth. === SimonAnibal [n=sruiz@adsl-70-239-93-102.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [04:11] LoCo Contacts should be subscribed to the loco-contacts mailing list (https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts) and hang out in #ubuntu-locoteams. [04:11] The team contact is also the public face of the LoCo. He/She acts as the main communication bridge between the team and the community at large. Given this, a grasp on the English language is almost necessary. === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [04:11] It is possible that the contact may be approached by media, or get direct support requests, as their contact details are, or at least should be, easily obtainable. [04:12] Ok, some questions :) [04:12] QUESTION/COMMENT: while language activities are not seen as important in English-speaking countries, note that there are many variants of English. The English Translation team, for example, tries to cater for en_GB and its dialects [04:13] This is a good point, thanks yama :) [04:13] QUESTION: what's the smallest LoCo team now? My country is already small and probably has only a handful of Ubuntu users [04:13] I have no idea. there's probably locos with just 1 or 2 people in them that are still trying to get off the ground. [04:14] Question: when there is a conflict or difference of opinion on who leads a loco team, where do we go or who solves the issue ? [04:14] I believe we have a wiki page about this, im just quickly tyring to find it for you :) [04:15] I was right, yay! take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoResolvingProblems [04:15] elkbuntu: sure :) [04:15] CONTACT: Is the "leader" LoCo Team Contact by default, and should LoCo Team Contact be a fluent English speaker? [04:16] As I said before, it varies between teams. It is advisable that there's at least someone nominated to translate for the team and for the people outside the team. it makes working things out much easier === mruiz [n=mruiz@pc-134-66-104-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [04:17] QUESTION: are the university based loCo's,if so can you mention one so we can follow footsteps [04:17] I dont know of any specific university based teams, but the Chicago team is based around one city, so it's probably worth contacting them :) [04:17] thnx [04:17] I'll continue with the class script a bit now [04:17] Some people in here have probably already located their LoCo Team. Some others may want to know "How I can find my LoCo Team?" [04:18] A good way to find your LoCo Team, is to visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList and see if there is a team in your area. [04:18] If there are several teams that apply to you, the team at country or state level is probably the team you should join first, although there's nothing stopping you being in multiple LoCos. [04:18] Now, if any of you are in the situation where you are looking at the teams list and thinking "But, I can't see a LoCo team for me!", then there's a good chance one may not exist. [04:18] There is a possibility that your team just has not added themselves to the list, so check the channels list here on freenode, and/or do a google for the team name. [04:19] For example, the Australian team is "Ubuntu-au". "au" is the ISO code for Australia. [04:19] If after searching, you cannot see a team then there probably is not one. === gabone [n=gabone@84.232.197.188] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [04:19] If you are really interested in LoCo work, then it is time to find some other people and start one. [04:20] I know a few people are here wanting to know "How do I start a LoCo?". Well luckily, it's not rocket science. [04:20] The main things you need are people and communication. It is recommended that you start by setting up a mailing list and an IRC channel. [04:20] We can help with this in various ways. Well, we cannot help you gather the people, but the other things we can help with. === ulinskie [n=ping@203.131.132.66] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [04:20] For a mailing list, we prefer if the list is created through Ubuntu's mailman system. For this, email mailman@lists.ubuntu.com [04:20] To register your LoCo Channel, see '/msg chanserv help register' for instructions. The channel should be #ubuntu-cc where 'cc' is your country ISO code. [04:21] elkbuntu, ;) [04:21] IRC channels are best done here on Freenode. Almost all Ubuntu channels are here, and it's useful to have all the channels together. [04:21] Not only that, Ubuntu has built up a very good relationship with the Freenode staff, so we're able to pull strings. It's quite convenient. [04:22] Another important point about using the Ubuntu mailman and Freenode, is that if for some unfortunate reason, the team leader was to disappear into thin air (and yes, this happens), it is much easier to negotiate the reassigning of privileges. [04:22] We've had proof of this concept in the past 48 hours. The venezuelan LoCo has been able to reclaim use of their channel :) [04:22] Anyway, Once you have the basic structure set up, you're a LoCo team. [04:22] elkbuntu: WooHoo! Thanks! [04:23] D [04:23] :D [04:23] Whilst it is not entirely mandatory, it's strongly suggested you sign the team up at Launchpad.net. This lets us know the team exists, for a start, but it also makes it easy to see who is in the team for purposes of verifing things if something goes wrong. [04:23] Launchpad also incorporates the Rosetta translation tools, which is what Ubuntu uses for translations. [04:23] With Launchpad, there are also other ways to contribute to Ubuntu as a whole (outside the realm of LoCo Teams), as has been pointed out over the past few days. Communication and contribution with the rest of the Ubuntu community is essential for a team's success. [04:23] Question: what support do loco team gets for taking up localization and internationalization efforts within its zone ? === dzzsky [n=sky@82-41-45-254.cable.ubr06.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [04:24] Im not entirely sure what you mean by this. The Rosetta system within launchpad is quite well supported by Canonical. [04:25] QUESTION: in a similar vein to my previous comment, is there a recommended way and/or infrastructure for speakers of dialects of the same language (e.g. Spanish, French, Portuguese) to collaborate on translations? At present, there is a lot of duplication of effort. [04:25] I would think that there would be things for this within rosetta. I'm not at all familiar with the system so i cannot comfortably comment here. === SimonAnibal [n=sruiz@adsl-70-239-93-102.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [04:26] QUESTION: Is there a recommended minimum area for a LoCo team? For instance, would three teams in the same city be seen as splintering the community or catering to specific needs? [04:26] I would say that situation would be a bit ridiculous. However, if the city has several million people, it could well be feasible [04:27] QUESTION: Could our Team will be based not in a place but a need? [04:27] Do you mean such as language? [04:28] COMMENT: Gmane can be used for those who would prefer a web-based interface to the mailing lists. that way, you can avoid the community being split between a mailing list and a Web forum [04:28] thanks for that, yama :) [04:28] You may or may not have heard reference to 'approved' and 'new' LoCo Teams. This has caused confusion in the past, so I'll cover it now. [04:28] meybe a language, maybe a culture based task, an investigation work, an internet thing not suitable for localization. music for example [04:29] eneried, yes. very much so. im pretty certain that the spanish team goes beyond the boundries of spain, for instance [04:30] An approved team is a team that is up and running, has each of the required resources in operation and the team is working well. [04:30] When you become an approved team, it will make you eligible for certain benefits such as marketing materials, etc [04:30] An approved team is also considered officially by the Ubuntu project, and the process involves going before the Community Council. [04:30] New teams are equally important to us, and we do support them by providing services such as hosting, a domain, mailing lists etc to help them become established. [04:30] Once a new team has been set up with the basic mail/irc/launchpad structure, and have been around for a while, there should be no problem getting approved. [04:31] If the team chooses to remain unapproved, we're ok with that too, but there are benefits, as mentioned above, for being approved. [04:31] If you have questions about, or your team requires any of the LoCo services mentioned today, please join #ubuntu-locoteams and ask away, or sign up to the mailing list (https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts) if you prefer that way of asking. === lumpki [n=lumpki@ACA35F96.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [04:31] eneried asked: QUESTION: our Team has the new status, how we can claim for the benefits related? i mean hosting, for example. Does this answer your question, eneried? [04:32] a little [04:33] QUESTION: Hello elkbuntu, how non-english LoCo Teams can coordinate? [04:33] mruiz, clarification please? Do you mean between each other, or within themselves? [04:34] elkbuntu, between different Teams === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [04:35] that's the point behind having an english-speaking contact. English is like the official language, if you want to look at it like that [04:35] QUESTION: asking about a host and domain... with who we must contact to get both things? [04:35] Please join the channel I mentioned before (#ubuntu-locoteams) and we can discuss it later [04:35] QUESTION: does the mailing list have to be registerd in the ubuntu server to count as a mailinglist to enable eligibility for aproval? [04:36] effie_jayx, I'm not 100% sure, but it's preferred at least. [04:36] ok [04:36] elkubuntu, thanks, question asnwered [04:36] QUESTION: Do teams for multilingual countries like Switzerland have their own language teams (swiss = swiss-fr + swiss-de + swiss-it) or do they just overlap with/act separately from the main language teams? [04:37] I'm going to point you towards a fellow who goes by the nick 'looksaus' for this one. he is the belgian loco contact. if he's not on now, keep an eye out for him, he hangs out in the locoteams channel [04:37] If you were not before, you may now (hopefully) be wondering "How can I get involved?". [04:37] For most teams, just being on the mailing list, in the IRC channel or on the launchpad.net team is sufficient to join the team, and once you have done this, you can contribute in a variety of ways. [04:38] As mentioned above, LoCo Teams involve a variety of project areas. These can include local support, translation, and local promotion, or even simply documenting the team and it's activites. [04:38] If you unsure of how best to get involved with your LoCo, a good idea is to ask a prominent member within the team. They often know what areas need more man (or woman) power. [04:39] Alternatively, if you are for instance, interested in seeing more promotional material that is relevant to your country, then you could simply create the material you feel is missing. [04:39] When you've done whatever you felt necessary, tell people in the LoCo about it. Showing initiative is also a good way to get respect :) [04:39] On a larger level, groups of LoCo members can get together to stage install-fests, or run booths at computer fairs. [04:39] There are alot of great LoCos around, and we're fortunate to have had some of them collaborate to provide us with our (still fledgling) knowledgebase. [04:40] If you want to find out more about joining, establishing or running LoCos, you can see the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamKnowledgeBase wiki page. [04:40] QUESTION: Can you give a couple examples of the AU LoCo team's activities since it's already english? [04:40] We had a pretty good turn-out at Software Freedom Day this year :) === mruiz [n=mruiz@pc-134-66-104-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [04:41] QUESTION: About LoCo Team logo, how create a logo and respect the Ubuntu Logo trademark (for example no modify it)? [04:42] Work within your team and come up with a design everyone is happy with. once you've done that, there is a process... let me find the wiki page === SimonAnibal [n=sruiz@adsl-70-239-93-102.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [04:44] ... and it seems it is taking a while [04:44] :) [04:44] Question: For making use of the support for promotional activities, is it necessary that a loco team member should approach only through the Loco team contact/head ? [04:44] Yes, it is the preferred way. [04:45] mruiz, google to the rescue! http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/TrademarkPolicy/ [04:45] thanks [04:46] QUESTION:going back to question about a need, for example, we could have a Team for bioiformatics, astonomy or medicine needs, but bioinformatics researchers, astronomers and doctors are not in same place (ans come could not, who are in observatories for example), could that communities work like a LoCo Team? [04:46] eneried, anything is possible. I've not really seen such subteams within a loco before, but if there are distinct groups then I see no reason why it would not work [04:47] Any more questions? [04:49] QUESTION: For example, some guys from Dominican Republic contact me because they need some help to create their LoCo. Can mentoring program include non-english speakers LoCo Teams? === guglielf [n=guglielf@unaffiliated/guglielf] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [04:49] Most certainly! If your team is able to help out, then go for it :) [04:50] We'd appreciate if you could document the process. we're always looking for new case studies to help us define some best practices for mentoring [04:50] cool [04:51] Anyone else? the only stupid question is the one not asked :) === techno_freak [n=techno_f@59.92.62.16] has left #ubuntu-classroom ["Catch] [04:53] QUESTION: What kind of relationship must be between a LoCo Team an the OpenSource movenment? Could the LoCo Team work in closed source apps or solutions (off course never closing ubuntu itself), or mixed solutions (computers with mac and ubuntu in same local network)? [04:55] Hmm.. im starting to think your focus is less about LoCo and more about target areas. There's nothing stopping you creating teams such as 'Science team' === Essk [i=essk@goatse.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [04:55] sorry for the delay in answer, i had to think there :) [04:56] QUESTION: Is possible than a LoCo Team have 2 o more LoCo contacts? [04:56] Yes, I believe the french team have 3. (i may be mistaken on who and how many) === defaultuser [n=defaultu@66.239.82.119] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === zilo_ [n=zilo@lbrat1-13-112.wmx.sk] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [04:57] QUESTION: I said Open Source, but ubuntu is not only source code. Here in colombia we have a great ned, a lot of people does not know what Open Source or even linux is!! And i talk about classroom teacher, about politicians, about journalist... any effective idea or experience to tell us how to make them know about ubuntu, and what not to do in the LoCo to reach that goal? === SimonAnibal [n=sruiz@adsl-70-239-93-102.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [04:58] ... im really not sure what you're trying to ask. Within a LoCo, people often have a role. Nothing is stopping people having consultative roles === defaultuser is now known as linuxuser1202 [04:59] QUESTION: Do LoCo's normally meet? I'm interested in installfests and meetings and I was wondering if a loco would be the place for that === luisbg_ [n=LuisB_G@87.217.147.189] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [04:59] A loCo is an ideal group to hold install fests and so forth === LKRaider [n=LKRaider@200.247.157.198] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [04:59] I think that's enough. We're going to run over time if i do any more questions === mode/#ubuntu-classroom [+o dholbach] by ChanServ [05:00] And saying that... [05:00] Here is the ever delightful Daniel Holbach to tell you all about MOTU :) [05:00] Everybody give a big hand for the magnificent elkbuntu. === ..[topic/#ubuntu-classroom:dholbach] : Welcome to Ubuntu Open Week, Nov 27 - Dec 2 between 3-10pm UTC, to see this in your timezone, visit http://tinyurl.com/ykqc67 | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek | Logs http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | Questions+discussion in #ubuntu-classroom-chat | Next Session: MOTU === effie_jayx claps frntically [05:01] thank you elkbuntu :) === dholbach hugs elkbuntu [05:01] thanks and good day, elkbuntu [05:01] thx [05:01] bye [05:01] dholbach, for you my dear, any time :) === elkbuntu hugs dholbach [05:01] .-) === anschel [n=anschel@h-67-101-192-95.nycmny83.dynamic.covad.net] has left #ubuntu-classroom [] [05:01] HELLO EVERYBODY === Dinxter [n=niall@82-41-236-160.cable.ubr12.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:01] this session is going to be about MOTU, the Master of the Universe! [05:01] HELLO dholbach === KillGore [n=sven@e179133134.adsl.alicedsl.de] has left #ubuntu-classroom ["Konversation] [05:01] hello dholbach === nixternal hugs dholbach [05:02] I'm Daniel Holbach, work for Canonical and my main objectives are Ubuntu's Desktop and working with teams like MOTU, Telepathy, Accessibility, the Art team and others. I joined the MOTUs nearly two years ago and we were around 5 of them at that time. === LKRaider [n=LKRaider@200.247.157.198] has left #ubuntu-classroom ["Arakiri] [05:02] I should probably say, that I'm happy to take questions in between, so don't be shy. === LKRaider [n=LKRaider@200.247.157.198] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:03] The name originates from the Universe component, which holds the biggest amount of our packages. 'main' and 'restricted' are supported by Canonical, 'universe' and 'multiverse' by the community. 'main' and 'restricted' hold 4829 packages today and 'universe' plus 'multiverse' 15855. So as the name suggests, the MOTU team takes care of 'universe' (and 'multiverse' also). We currently have 57 members. And we hang out in #ubuntu-motu - so [05:03] if you're interested in helping out and get to know the people and packaging, join us and have fun [05:04] So what do MOTUs generally do? [05:04] thanks elkbuntu [05:04] As a MOTU you're maintaining packages. The good thing about Ubuntu is that we don't follow the concept of applying the rigorous big maintainer lock, it's your choice which package you take care of. [05:05] thanks elkubuntu [05:05] We have people [05:05] * taking care only of their own packages [05:05] * working together with others on a set of packages in a team [05:05] * fixing lots of different packages [05:05] (* working on no packages at all) [05:06] So if you belong to the last category, listen up! This is your first step in the Ubuntu Development Community. :-D [05:06] Any questions up until now? === easytiger [n=gerry@cpc1-blfs7-0-0-cust40.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:07] So who of you is already part of the MOTU process? === rmjb raises hand [05:07] rmjb: Excellent# [05:07] Anybody in here considering joining the team? === hybrid [n=x@easyubuntu/supporter/hybrid] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:08] I'll just go on and if you have questions or ideas what you'd like to do we can try to get into more detail there [05:08] QUESTION: dholbach, Which knowledges are needed to join MOTU team ? [05:08] gracias elkbuntu [05:08] maybe me, depends on competences needed. [05:09] kalon34: we had people joining the team, who were just curious and had basic linux skills. [05:09] kalon34: and they did a good job. === malvin [n=t1409f0@195.145.172.242] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === soulrider [n=mauro@r190-0-135-54.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:09] Key to having fun and profiting of the MOTU world is to be interested and motivated, talk to people and learn a lot [05:10] if you already built source from scratch, wrote small programs, know how to use shell scripts, even better === eneried [n=Fairy@201.244.212.60] has left #ubuntu-classroom ["Abandonando"] === noelvis [n=noelvis@dsl-240-76-136.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:10] but we have people at any skill level in the MOTU team, so you'll always find somebody you can learn something from [05:11] I'll go on now with what I've prepared - feel free to ask more questions in -chat [05:11] So how do I become a MOTU? [05:11] err, whats a MOTU? =/ [05:11] That's very easy. You basically contribute to the team's efforts, either by packaging a new piece of software or by helping with fixing / updating / merging existing packages. [05:11] soulrider: I think I answered that before but maybe wasn't clear enough [05:11] or amybe i wasnt here? :P [05:11] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU might explain some bits, but here's the short story again: [05:12] no you weren't [05:12] ok, thanks [05:12] soulrider, please ask future questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat :) [05:12] MOTUs are the Masters of the Universe, the community package maintainers, the people taking care of the Universe and Multiverse sections of Ubuntu's packages [05:12] k === poningru [n=poningru@ip72-209-68-178.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === SimonAnibal [n=sruiz@adsl-70-239-93-102.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:12] MOTUs are the community package maintainers [05:12] there's a question, is it ok for now? [05:13] sure [05:13] QUESTION: dholbach, do you consider a MOTU mentoring plan? === Neonightmare [n=chatzill@67-214.2-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:13] and apart from that a group of people having a lot of fun and hanging out in #ubuntu-motu :) [05:13] QUESTION: Is there somewhere with the process to follow or can you describe it please ? [05:13] mruiz: I'm not quite sure I understand the question. We do have people mentoring MOTU hopefuls. What is your exact question? If we have a strict plan to do the mentoring? [05:14] kalon34, please ask future questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat :) [05:14] kalon34: i'll answer this question and then go on to explain how to get there. [05:14] mruiz: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentors might answer your question, if not, please ask again === dholbach goes on [05:14] sorry, elkbuntu, I'm losed with all my windows ^^ === Chastell [n=shot@dsm6.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:15] thanks dholbach :) [05:15] I personally always found the second way (to work on existing packages) to be much easier and you learn a lot along the way. As a MOTU hopeful you're not allowed yet to upload to the archive yourself, but you can ask other team members to sponsor the upload for you. We have a lightweight process for that in place. [05:15] QUESTION: How can someone who is not yet an MOTU help with the merging / syncing process? Isn't a MOTU always needed for this? [05:16] rmjb: that might also answer your question: we do sponsoring, which means that somebody who has upload rights already reviews your patch or package and then does the upload for you [05:16] cool [05:16] QUESTION: dholbach, I don't know that you have people mentoring MOTU. Can you explain it? [05:16] mruiz: if you look at the page I mentioned to you, you will find a list of people and mail adresses there === Zerlinna [n=Zerlinna@C2b78.c.strato-dslnet.de] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:17] mruiz: just mail anybody of them - all of them are happy to take on MOTU hopefuls to walk them through the basic first steps in the MOTU world [05:17] thanks, dholbach [05:17] ok cool [05:17] It's easy to see that it's not just a matter of technically abilty, but also a matter of teamwork and trust. The current process asks you to become an Ubuntu member in the Community Council meeting (where you are recognized for your efforts) and become a member of 'ubuntu-dev' after the Technical Board was happy with you on a technical basis. That process will change in the near future and a MOTU council (let's see if it will be called [05:17] 'Council Grayskull' in the end...), which will do the approval. [05:18] dholbach, I will check it [05:18] mruiz: Anything you're intersted in particularly? [05:18] some kind of package (or group of packages) or something you'd like to look after? === faramir [n=faramir@dD5761179.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:19] dholbach, desktop packages are so interesting [05:19] excellent === TheGateKeeper [n=m@82-36-112-224.cable.ubr03.king.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:19] be sure to tell me what your plans are and we'll figure something out [05:19] maybe in a mail [05:19] (Keep the questions coming...) [05:19] Here some things the MOTUs do: [05:20] We work on Bugs, so just to put some numbers into the discussion [05:20] * 10563 bugs in Universe/Multiverse (66274 in Ubuntu total) [05:20] * 6739 closed bugs Universe/Multiverse (46063 closed in Ubuntu total) [05:20] While the numbers look scary, here's a very good thing about working with the MOTUs: you're not alone. If you try to fix a bug in a package you have: [05:20] 1) team members, [05:20] 2) the Debian maintainer and [05:20] 3) the upstream author [05:20] you can ask and work with. Working on bugs is highly rewarding: sometimes it's a one line fix, you find in the upstream CVS already and you make a lot of users happy. [05:21] QUESTION: Do all upstream packages go through MOTU before entering the repos? [05:21] LKRaider: No, we inherit an awful lot of packages from Debian automatically. [05:22] ok === Arby [n=richard@82.153.99.198] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:22] LKRaider: in the times where we're not in Freeze times (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule will show), we automatically sync the source from Debian packages (if we don't have changes that might get overwritten) [05:22] QUESTION: what ubuntu mailing lists should a MOTU Hopeful subscribe to other than ubuntu-motu? [05:23] so sometimes you upload a new package to ubuntu and in the next cycle there's a debian maintainer you can merge your efforts with [05:23] it's really to cool to have another somebody to work with on the package, so that's great [05:23] rmjb: good question, ubuntu-devel-announce@ and ubuntu-devel@ are good fits also, because it's good to know what's planned, which big changes are going to be introduced, etc === luisbg_ is now known as luisbg [05:24] I'd also recommend to read feisty-changes@ which send you a mail for every package change that is uploaded === cstrauss [n=cstrauss@c9344c0b.virtua.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:24] these are only changelogs, but still you get a general gist of what's going on - so if you have packages that you need to integrate yours with, you can easily find out what happened there [05:25] apart from that it brings a certain learning experience to see what other package maintainers do [05:25] and then of course upstream mailing lists, so if you're package maintainer for say abiword, you might want to sign up for their lists too [05:26] I'm subscribed to loads of other mailing lists too, but that should be a good start and not be too scary :-) === dholbach goes on [05:26] TEAMS [05:26] MOTU has formed a huge bunch of subteams already: [05:26] * Games team [05:26] * Media team [05:26] * Science team [05:26] * Photo team [05:26] * UncommonProgrammingLanguages team === adomanski [n=adomansk@p54AFC1F6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:27] and a lot of other teams, which started in Universe, but now are working across the whole distro, the Mono team is a good example for that. If you have good ideas for a team and want to kickstart it, let me know: dholbach@ubuntu.com === PriceChild [n=pricechi@unix0.york.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:27] QUESTION:does Edgy MOTU get version bumps and updates or are the versions locked in the same way main is? [05:27] jorgp: Edgy is released, which means it is LOCKED. [05:27] We currently work on Feisty. [05:27] of course you get security fixes in edgy-security [05:27] and high-profile bug fixes in edgy-updates [05:28] (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates has more info about that one) [05:28] and specific backports in edgy-backports [05:28] QUESTION: Is uploading packages a one time activity for a release? I mean can I build a new package or a new version for an existing package for edgy/dapper now? === SimonAnibal [n=sruiz@adsl-70-239-93-102.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:29] pradeep: I'm not quite sure I understand. You can't upload to Edgy or Dapper now. They're both released. [05:29] Which means they're locked. Frozen. [05:29] pradeep: Can you elaborate or does that answer your question? [05:29] oops i think the question is repeated ... :/ [05:29] dholbach, yes that answers my question. [05:30] pradeep: Alrighty [05:30] Mentoring [05:30] We're doing huge efforts at helping people get up to scratch on packaging, especially #ubuntu-motu on irc.freenode.net is always buzzing and somebody is always awake to answer *your* packaging question. [05:30] But mentoring also happens on our ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com mailing list, in private chats, by doing reviews of packages and patches or via mail. Don't hesitate to approach us, join the Master of the Universe today! :-) === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:31] ( https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu ) [05:31] Something we do at the moment: Merges [05:31] In the beginning of each release cycle we merge our efforts with those of the Debian maintainers. So this is what we currently do for Feisty. If you want to help out, just grab a merge from http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html or http://merges.ubuntu.com/multiverse.html and go ahead. [05:32] Any more questions? [05:32] not currently [05:32] there's the MOTU School [05:32] In the spirit of the Ubuntu's Open Week we already had some interesting MOTU School sessions: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School - if you want to hold a session or request a session, let us know on the mailing list and on the wiki pages. [05:33] jorgp> QUESTION: you said security updates make it into edgy release, what about bug fixes? === faramir [n=faramir@dD5761179.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === anurga [n=anurga@59.92.44.23] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:33] so if you look at named page, you'll find that we did some sessions already and there are really good logs you can just dive into [05:33] jorgp: I said that high-profile bugs go into edgy-updates [05:34] if we look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates the requirements are: [05:34] Stable release updates will, in general, only be issued in order to fix high-impact bugs. Examples of such bugs include: [05:34] * [05:34] Bugs which may, under realistic circumstances, directly cause a security vulnerability [05:34] * [05:34] Bugs which represent severe regressions from the previous release of Ubuntu [05:34] * [05:34] Bugs which may, under realistic circumstances, directly cause a loss of user data [05:34] if you look at the page some more, that our policy is very strict [05:35] that's for a reason - some of you might remember the problems with the X server updates that left people without X and just a black screen and wonky messages === manuleviking_ [n=Tux@ANice-151-1-48-230.w83-113.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:35] how could i forget === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #uBUNtu-classROOM [05:36] but as I said, we 1) don't rule out such updates and 2) have backports which are less conservative but of course we can't packages that require too intrusive changes [05:36] jorgp: does that answer your question? [05:36] QUESTION: dholbach, you told us that MOTU also works in bugs... what is the difference between MOTU and Bug Squad team? [05:36] how to forget it, anxious behind our pc ^^ [05:37] mruiz: the BugSquad helps out to triage bugs, which means: 1) get more information from the reporter, 2) get the right people involved with the bug and so on [05:37] of course MOTUs do that too and we have people who are active on both fronts [05:37] but MOTUs actively work on packages and fix them themselves [05:37] dholbach, yes [05:37] MOTUs also introduce bugs [05:37] no, I was kidding about the last point ;-) [05:38] of course they don't === dholbach hugs all the MOTUs in the room [05:38] MOTUs: please speak up if you're here and tell us something about you [05:38] More questions? [05:38] i'll copy them over if they come up [05:39] Ok, let's move on: Documentation! [05:39] Jordan Mantha (Laserjock) and others have worked hard on the Packaging Guide, but he'd always be glad to have people who are interested in explaining and helping new MOTU hopefuls to find their way into the community. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation lists a few pages of interest. [05:39] QUESTION: what about introducing packges that are not on Debian, for example? [05:39]