[12:24] <Burgwork> hmm, pclinuxos magazine is interesting
[12:27] <Burgwork> elkbuntu: ping
[01:55] <Burgwork> elkbuntu: final ping, leaving work soonish
[01:58] <jenda> Burgwork: it's early morning there...
[01:58] <Burgwork> 8 hours off makes it 11am
[01:58] <jenda> omg... it's early morning _here_ too :)
[01:58] <jenda> ok, the time goes too fast for my taste, disregard me.
[01:58] <jenda> 
[01:58] <somerville32> :)
[02:05] <Burgwork> elkbuntu: I see you in -ops
[02:06] <elkbuntu> i've only just got to the computer
[02:06] <elkbuntu> im not even showered or fed yet
[02:06] <somerville32> :] 
[02:06] <Burgwork> bah
[02:07] <somerville32> Burgwork: Any work for me tonight?
[02:07] <Burgwork> yep, the Feisty doc
[02:07] <elkbuntu> Burgwork, have you been waiting around for me?
[02:07] <Burgwork> elkbuntu: yes. it is now 5pm and I wanted to leave work at 3pm
[02:08] <Burgwork> I am very annoyed. You made you work a whole 8 hours
[02:08] <elkbuntu> awww.. im sorry :(
[02:08] <Burgwork> ON A FRIDAY
[02:09] <Burgwork> it is just isn't done
[02:09] <Burgwork> somerville32: he is a slightly gruntish task
[02:09] <somerville32> : )
[02:09] <Burgwork> we need to verify all those specs I dropped on the list are in fact, targetted at Feisty and that there have not been any more added
[02:13] <somerville32> Fun.
[02:14] <Burgwork> you asked for something to do :)
[02:14] <somerville32> :D
[02:17] <somerville32> Same place, same password?
[02:17] <Burgwork> same bat cave
[02:41] <Admiral_Chicago> anyone know if beryl servers are back up?
[02:44] <Burgwork> appear to be
[02:44] <Admiral_Chicago> Burgwork: ty
[02:45] <Admiral_Chicago> negative
[02:45] <Burgwork> beryl-project.org
[02:45] <Admiral_Chicago> http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org/dists/edgy/main-edgy/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[02:45] <Admiral_Chicago> :\
[02:45] <Burgwork> right, those
[09:13] <somerville32> Just the person I was looking for!
[09:13] <Burgundavia> greetings
[09:13] <somerville32> :)
[09:13] <somerville32> How are ya?
[09:13] <Burgundavia> not bad
[09:18] <Burgundavia> what did you need me for?
[09:34] <somerville32> Burgundavia: I just wanted to talk about LookingForwardAtFeisty and Heard 1
[09:35] <Burgundavia> right
[09:35] <Burgundavia> Herd 1 is done, save bug reports and last minute stuff, but please run past myself 
[09:36] <somerville32> k
[09:36] <somerville32> When are the documents planned to be done?
[09:36] <somerville32> or sorry
[09:36] <somerville32> to be released
[09:36] <Burgundavia> Herd 1 is released upon release of Herd 1
[09:36] <Burgundavia> I hope to have the other done this weekend
[09:36] <Burgundavia> s/I/we/
[09:37] <somerville32> :] 
[09:37] <somerville32> What do you want for each spec? A write up?
[09:38] <Burgundavia> sort of
[09:38] <Burgundavia> basically, I think we need a doc that neatly explains the goals for Feisty to end users and developers
[09:38] <somerville32> Thats the thing I love about Ubuntu
[09:39] <somerville32> You can actually see what is getting done
[09:39] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:39] <Burgundavia> this makes those specs more accessible to the outside world
[09:40] <somerville32> Btw, any word on the next CCM is?
[09:40] <somerville32> *when
[09:40] <Burgundavia> ccm?
[09:40] <Burgundavia> cc?
[09:41] <somerville32> Community Council Meeting
[09:41] <Burgundavia> right. That is usually referred to as CC
[09:41] <Burgundavia> no idea
[10:05] <somerville32> I'm going to go to bed for now
[10:05] <somerville32> I think I'll reorganize LookingForwardAtFeisty tomorrow
[12:25] <tsmithe> ping jenda
[12:30] <jenda> tsmithe: pong
[12:31] <tsmithe> i checked the launchpad pages for one of those bug reports, and nothing related was subscribed (i think)...
[12:31] <tsmithe> now /me comes to think of it, he is unsure
[12:31] <jenda> thx for checking, but I'm quite sure one of them has to be - or it's a bug, but a weird one.
[12:33] <elkbuntu> jenda, im not sure, but i think mailman has been weird lately. -devel got -sounder stuff last week iirc
[12:34] <tsmithe> i checked all the subscribers and none of their email addresses = ubuntu-marketing
[12:34] <jenda> I heard
[12:34] <jenda> weiiiird  
[12:34] <jenda> tsmithe: wow 
[12:34] <tsmithe> well /me is off to walk dog
[12:35] <elkbuntu> ok.. that reads so wrong
[12:35] <jenda> intentional ;)
[12:36] <elkbuntu> you're nuts
[12:36] <jenda> elkbuntu: it's a joke US soldiers in vietnam had, or so i was told.
[12:36] <elkbuntu> i can believe it
[12:37] <elkbuntu> im sure it was around in the korean war as well
[03:33] <dotwaffle> more likely to be korean, koreans are famous for supposedly eating dogs. don't think it happens in Vietnam...
[03:35] <jenda> They do eat dogs. I know one.
[03:35] <jenda> 
[03:35] <elkbuntu> i think the countries in that region tend to consume anything with protein that isnt toxic.
[03:37] <dotwaffle> It's been a while since I've had chance to call anyone but Germans or Americans crazy, so I take this moment to declare... South-East Asians are crazy.
[03:37] <klepas> Germans?
[03:37] <klepas> crazy?
[03:40] <dotwaffle> klepas: Visit a German demoparty, and see Germans clad in PVC and metal dancing to happy-go-lucky-pop, and deny their crazyness ;)
[03:40] <klepas> haha
[03:40] <klepas> okay, point taken
[03:40] <klepas> but who visits those parties anyway?
[03:40] <klepas> other crazy people?
[03:41] <elkbuntu> you need proof germans are crazy. read dholbach's latest blog...
[03:41] <klepas> linky
[03:41] <elkbuntu> planet.ubuntu.com
[03:42] <dotwaffle> klepas: ME ;)
[03:43] <jenda> lol
[03:43] <jenda> Germans are crazy...
[03:43] <jenda> I just traded 10 posters with one for an Ubuntu polo shirt ;)
[03:43] <dotwaffle> Says a Czech ;)
[03:44] <jenda> :)
[03:44] <MenZa> Ubuntu polo shirt!
[03:44] <MenZa> I want one
[03:44] <MenZa> Where? Who? Why? How?
[03:44] <jenda> Czechs aren't crazy... they only drink a little more beer than others.
[03:44] <klepas> well at least i am proof that not all germans are crazy
[03:44] <klepas> some are half-sane
[03:44] <tsmithe> jenda will charge extortionately now for that shirt
[03:44] <ompaul> klepas, and the other half?
[03:44] <jenda> I'll keep that shirt - I bought the posters to send him, from myself...
[03:44] <MenZa> jenda is most definitely not crazy.
[03:44] <ompaul> xaner?
[03:44] <ompaul> xsaner that is
[03:45] <MenZa> tsmithe: you made that shirt :D?
[03:45] <tsmithe> MenZa, no!?
[03:45] <tsmithe> what gave you that idea?
[03:45] <jenda> how do you like the smiley? :)
[03:45] <MenZa> *shrugs*
[03:45] <MenZa> I'm desperate
[03:45] <MenZa> I want one
[03:45] <MenZa> :d
[03:45] <tsmithe> jenda: you and your crazy smilies
[03:45] <jenda> MenZa: I'll be making some...
[03:46] <klepas> ompaul: not sure
[03:46] <MenZa> jenda: really? Sweet.
[03:46] <klepas> get to know me and decide for yourself :)
[03:46] <jenda> but try contacting Nik Butler or Julius bloch - they have some now ;)
[03:47] <dotwaffle> klepas: Proof that Germans, Danish and Portugese are indeed crazy: http://slengpung.com/v3/show_photo.php?id=14726&ref=event
[03:47] <klepas> surely not all...?
[03:48] <dotwaffle> I have no proof to the contrary ;)
[03:48] <klepas> me?
[03:48] <ompaul> what is mad is that we let you think you are mad :-)
[03:48] <klepas> :D
[03:48] <klepas> :-)
[03:48] <klepas> CamelCase ftw
[03:49] <dotwaffle> you can't get more mad than the FInns though ;) Hard rocky salty liquorice mixed in vodka... Salmiakki Koskenkorva...
[03:50] <jenda> I had that stuff once.
[03:50] <jenda> I swear to god I've never had anything worse.
[03:50] <jenda> I mean... no, I only had salmiakki itself.
[03:50] <dotwaffle> I get it every year - for some reason I always forget how bad it is ;)
[03:51] <jenda> I guess the vodka makes it worse, until you have had a lot already.
[03:52] <atoponce> how do i center an image in the wiki?
[03:52] <dotwaffle> jenda: you guessed right, when drunk, it's quite nice. but don't drink it FIRST ;)
[03:53] <jenda> yes :)
[03:53] <jenda> I ate one of the damn candies... and it was terrible.
[03:53] <jenda> For some reason I thought the second would be better... :/
[04:04] <atoponce> i've been thinking about our mission statement idea...
[04:05] <jenda> uh oh
[04:05] <jenda> 
[04:05] <jenda> atoponce: I'm very nervous, and rather busy right now, mind if I try to avoid the discussion for now? :)
[04:06] <atoponce> :) sure
[04:06] <atoponce> why are you so nervous?
[04:07] <jenda> I'm giving a speech on accelerated desktops tonight
[04:07] <jenda> and I just finished getting ready, I think...
[04:07] <atoponce> ahh. part of openweek?
[04:07] <jenda> or at least, can't think of nuthing to soy
[04:07] <jenda> nope
[04:07] <jenda> The Linux Weekend - a RL thing :)
[04:08] <atoponce> ahh. cool
[04:09] <atoponce> well, i'm just going to spit out some ideas. i'm open for suggestion from anyone
[04:09] <jenda> cool
[04:09] <jenda> I'll have a look at them, and perhaps respond later, if I can help it :)
[04:09] <atoponce> ok
[04:10] <atoponce> thinking out loud, but i think bug #1 should be the foundation that we built the mission statement on
[04:11] <jenda> +1
[04:11] <atoponce> from the "bug report":
[04:12] <atoponce> What should happen:
[04:12] <atoponce> "2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all."
[04:18] <jenda> OK, I'm out.
[04:18] <jenda> See ya later, will check it later too.
[04:18] <atoponce> ttyl
[04:18] <jenda> atoponce: maybe you might want to put it on the mailing list.
[04:19] <atoponce> jenda: will do
[04:30] <atoponce> ok... where was i?
[04:31] <atoponce> oh yeah. i think that #2 above should be our focus specifically.  In fact, I find it worded perfectly to be the main goal of our mission statement
[04:31] <atoponce> from there, we can break it down a bit and add a few points that will help give it direction
[04:31] <atoponce> like:
[04:32] <atoponce> 1) spreading the brand and trademark that is ubuntu
[04:33] <atoponce> 2) enlightening users to the features that ubuntu offers
[04:34] <atoponce> 3) encouraging users to create and spread ideas
[04:34] <atoponce> what do you think?
[04:36] <atoponce> my LUG is currently writing a constitution and mission statement to give us clear direction, but also, to help the officers know what is expected of them and what needs to be done at any given time
[04:40] <atoponce> so anyway, what do you guys think?
[04:43] <tsmithe> but...
[04:44] <tsmithe> ...
[04:44] <tsmithe> very good!
[04:45] <atoponce> any feedback? ideas? comments? rude rebarks? 
[04:45] <tsmithe> arf arf
[04:45] <atoponce> s/rebarks/remarks/
[04:45] <tsmithe> fra <- rebark
[04:46] <tsmithe> (2) is a bit general... ubuntu has many features
[04:46] <tsmithe> (3) what kind of ideas?
[04:46] <tsmithe> (1) is good
[04:48] <atoponce> cool. yeah. ok. well...
[04:48] <atoponce> thinking about 2), what makes ubuntu unique from the other distributions?  what really makes it stand out?
[04:49] <tsmithe> the community
[04:49] <tsmithe> this is not emphasised enough, anywhere
[04:49] <atoponce> i can think of a few things, like a 1 cd install, 6 month rollout, strong community
[04:50] <atoponce> but also software features.  spread firefox set a good example.
[04:50] <tsmithe> but these ideas are only useful when compared to other linux distributions
[04:50] <tsmithe> damn i'm a bit late
[04:50] <atoponce> they focus on security, anti-phising, stability, tabbed-browsing, etc
[04:51] <atoponce> i think we could market similar ubuntu features. they don't *have* to be unique, necessarily
[04:52] <atoponce> those are the "features" that i was thinking of, but it definitely could be more specific
[04:52] <atoponce> for 3), this is where i'm a bit rusty, but think it should be included nonetheless
[04:53] <tsmithe> re features: things that people a) like, b) are looking for, c) don't know they could have, d) are not scary; unless we are focusing on devs
[04:53] <atoponce> are we, as users and a marketing team, encouraging users outside the team to create ideas to spread ubuntu?
[04:54] <atoponce> tsmithe: yeah. exactly
[04:56] <tsmithe> atoponce, of course we encourage others to spread ubuntu!
[04:57] <atoponce> good! :)
[04:57] <tsmithe> it'd be silly otherwise
[04:58] <atoponce> you see what i'm getting at, though? we can't be 100% responsible for spreading ubuntu.  we need to put 100% effort into it, but we also need others to do the same.
[04:58] <atoponce> with the size of community that ubuntu has, if everyone put in 100% effort to get ubuntu on computers, MS would lose their market share overnight
[05:00] <atoponce> :)
[05:02] <tsmithe> how many users does ubuntu have
[05:02] <tsmithe> i've heard 6m
[05:03] <tsmithe> if that doubles every two releases, then in five years there will be 144m people using it
[05:03] <tsmithe> we need every user to conscript one other every year
[05:04] <tsmithe> that's not too hard!
[05:05] <atoponce> agreed
[05:05] <atoponce> we CAN do it, we just need to get off our lazy butts, and get to work! :)
[05:10] <tsmithe> lazy and at work
[08:56] <poningru> glaah
[08:57] <poningru> are we working on UWN 24?
[09:02] <somerville32> :D
[09:02] <somerville32> We sure are! :D
[09:03] <poningru> where? consus or wiki?
[09:03] <poningru> err gobby or wiki?
[09:04] <poningru> its freakin saturday man!!
[10:30] <somerville32> poningru: ping
[10:31] <poningru> somerville32: pong
[10:31] <somerville32> I'm going to go get some food
[10:32] <somerville32> But when I get back, do you want to work on the queue?
[10:32] <poningru> sure
[10:32] <poningru> where is the queue?
[10:35] <somerville32> Gobby
[10:36] <poningru> err it is?
[10:36] <somerville32> Yeah.
[10:37] <somerville32> There are two documents that need finishing this weekend
[10:37] <poningru> herd 1 and ?
[10:37] <poningru> uwn24?
[10:38] <poningru> cause thats not been started yet
[10:38] <somerville32> LookingForwardAtFeisty
[10:38] <poningru> oh
[10:40] <poningru> kk
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[10:41] <poningru> hehe
[10:45] <somerville32> He ran away :(
[10:45] <lotusleaf> ompaul: yo gnewsense dude
[10:46] <ompaul> sup?
[10:47] <jenda> hello
[10:47] <jenda> It was cool, and went well.
[10:48] <ompaul> still lagging but down to a much smaller 2.6 seconds
[10:52] <lotusleaf> ompaul: ?
[10:52] <ompaul> nibbling at the edges so to speak :)
[10:52] <ompaul> the big yo!
[10:52] <poningru> blargh?
[10:52] <lotusleaf> oh, well hello then =)
[10:53] <ompaul> ahh that I understand :)
[10:53] <lotusleaf> (= :) =)
[10:53] <ompaul> hi there
[10:56] <jenda> somerville32: ping
[11:03] <somerville32> jenda: pong
[11:03] <somerville32> Indeed! :] 
[11:04] <jenda> Good luck there - I'm reading your wiki now.
[11:04] <somerville32> Think I got a chance?
[11:04] <jenda> Most certainly :)
[11:05] <jenda> your xubuntu-welcome-centre link is broke, though ;)
[11:05] <somerville32> doh
[11:06] <MenZa> welcome centre
[11:07] <jenda> MenZa, i found a guy today who wants to make a business doing Ubuntu merchandise.
[11:07] <MenZa> sweet
[11:07] <jenda> He runs a printer.
[11:08] <jenda> But since he attended the Linux Weekend, he's probably not gonna be a bad guy ;)
[11:09] <jenda> And he'll probably be printing more Ubuntu Highway posters once I'm out.
[11:09] <jenda> :)
[11:09] <somerville32> Speaking of posters, haha
[11:18] <tsmithe> jenda: how was the talk?
[11:20] <jenda> great :)
[11:20] <jenda> great folks, Czech Linux users :)
[11:21] <MenZa> :D
[11:21] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: need any link scrounging for UWN24?
[11:24] <Burgundavia> haven't really looked, but sure
[11:25] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: ready for link scrounging whenever =)
[11:26] <Burgundavia> go forth now
[11:26] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: but for what?
[11:26] <lotusleaf> the last time, I checked for edgy reviews, and know that I know what type of summaries to glean =)
[11:27] <lotusleaf> now that I know* :)
[11:27] <lotusleaf> or know that I know now * :)
[11:27] <lotusleaf> or know that I now know
[11:27] <lotusleaf> =) =)
[11:27] <Burgundavia> any news on Ubuntu or derivs
[11:28] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: cool, I'll scrounge about
[11:30] <somerville32> Lets all get on gobby and work :)
[11:36] <lotusleaf> "Technalign chooses Kubuntu for TaFusion Linux" http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/11/prweb485213.htm
[11:48] <Burgundavia> ok, this is fun
[11:48] <Burgundavia> cd goes in, hangs everything
[11:49] <Burgundavia> eject has hung, sound-juicer won't start
[11:49] <Burgundavia> ouch