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joejaxxand ubuntu is installed and i cannot boot it LOL!12:13
joejaxxwell time to put mac os back on here12:13
superm1Fujitsu, do you have a min for another revu?12:13
Fujitsusuperm1: Depends what it is.12:14
hubjoejaxx: you can boot using openfirmware12:14
shawarmaLaserJock: Are you up for it?12:15
hubeven on old world12:15
hubI do it12:15
hubwithout using bootx12:15
joejaxxhub: what do you mean?12:15
superm1Fujitsu, its just this ivtv-firmware installer that was talked about a month ago.  derived from flashplugin-nonfree12:15
superm1http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=339612:15
hubgotta go now12:15
joejaxxok12:15
shawarmaLaserJock: I can throw the build logs from an amd64 and an i386 pbuilder your way so that you can see that it builds.12:16
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LaserJockshawarma: could you just email me?12:18
shawarmaLaserJock: The patch? 12:19
shawarmaLaserJock: I'm not even sure I've got your e-mail.12:21
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Adri2000crimsun: the only ubuntu change in oo2c "Added amd64 to the list of 64bit archs in debian/rules" and it seems to be this line (from debian): "ifneq (,$(filter $(DEB_HOST_ARCH),alpha amd64 ia64 sparc64 s390x ppc64))", amd64 is here12:28
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mr_pouitcould a motu sponsor an upload to -proposed ? (Bug 72052, ACKd my 2 motu ;)12:46
UbugtuMalone bug 72052 in pouetchess "MOTU SRU proposal" [High,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7205212:46
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Adri2000Fujitsu: built fine?01:00
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fernandohi all01:22
CypherBIOSfernando: hi01:24
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shawarmaWhat does it mean if a merge is marked red on merges.ubuntu.com ?01:42
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Burgworkshawarma: in the updated merges section?01:44
shawarmaBurgwork: No, "outstanding merges".01:45
shawarmaBurgwork: The top one.01:45
Burgworknew upstream version, judging from the evidence01:46
ajmitchnot necessarily01:46
ajmitchI think it's to do with the priority01:46
Burgworkajmitch: looking at the colours in the main and universe sections, they are only coloured red when there is a new upstream version01:47
shawarmaIt's just wierd that that's the only red one.01:47
ajmitchand there are numerous other packages with new upstream versions that are green01:47
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Burgworkajmitch: ah, you are right, as per usual01:47
shawarma...on the universe merges anyway.01:47
BurgworkI drew incorrect conclusions due to lack of consideration to the entire data set01:48
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geserwhat's the difference between "Outstanding Merges" and "Updated Merges"?01:51
tenshuhey i think launchpad is wrong : Feisty (Frozen)01:51
Burgworktenshu: nope, it is frozen for Herd 1 release01:51
tenshuok01:52
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shawarmageser: I think updated merges is stuff that's already been merged once in this release cycle.01:55
geserthat would make sense01:56
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joejaxx\o/02:05
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joejaxx</ruckus>02:13
joejaxxwhat is everyone up to?02:13
somerville32Working on stuff :)02:13
joejaxx:)02:13
joejaxxyeah me too02:14
joejaxxi am installing ubuntu on an old world mac02:14
joejaxxseems that only breezy works02:14
joejaxxso i will have to upgrade from that02:14
somerville32:] 02:15
joejaxxsomerville32: yeah i just have to start over from 5 hours of work on it02:15
joejaxxto wipe the drive and format as hfs and not hfs+02:15
somerville32Sounds like a good time, haha02:16
somerville32:] 02:16
joejaxxlol02:16
joejaxx:)02:16
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joejaxxvyoman: you might want to disable that02:21
joejaxxlol02:22
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joejaxxits LaserJock ! :D02:27
joejaxxLaserJock: i had to wipe the whole drive02:28
joejaxxand reformat it as hfs and not hfs+02:28
LaserJockheh, I'm wiping my drive right now too02:28
LaserJocklot of that going on lately ;-)02:28
joejaxx:)02:29
joejaxxuh oh02:29
joejaxxhold bbl02:29
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joejaxxok i am back02:46
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LaserJockwow, what a week02:52
LaserJockmy Ubuntu hard drive just died on my home desktop02:53
LaserJockI'm not sure if I should us another computer ever again02:53
LaserJock:-)02:53
BurgworkLaserJock: you are having all the luck02:54
LaserJocknot just me though02:54
LaserJockseems like lots of people in the last few days have had drives dying, etc.02:54
LaserJockto bad about this drive though, 120GB and I never used more then 40GB02:55
LaserJockwhat a waste02:55
jdongthe fun just don't stop02:59
LaserJockhmm, so now I need to fix my MBR03:02
LaserJockcan I do that via the live cd?03:02
FujitsuLaserJock: Yes.03:02
LaserJockBurgwork: well, it died while I was trying to install Fedora Core 6 so I guess I deserved it03:02
FujitsuLaserJock: I was going to tell you how, but I changed my mind after your last sentence.03:03
LaserJockbah03:03
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LaserJockit didn't *work*03:03
LaserJockso I don't think you should hold it against me03:03
jdongLOL03:04
jdongthe fun just don't stop03:04
LaserJock fdisk /mbr ?03:04
jdongthat's MS-DOS and 98, buddy03:04
jdongreinstall grub to your MBR03:04
jdong(and I hope you aren't using dos or 98... lol)03:04
jdongroot (hdA,B)03:04
shawarmaHmm... has anyone looked at the carpaltunnel merge?03:04
jdongsetup (hdA)03:05
LaserJockjdong: but do I need grub if it's just Windows?03:05
jdongoh nvm03:05
jdongwhat version of Windows03:05
LaserJockXP03:05
jdongyou need to boot into recovery console03:05
jdongonce you get a command prompt do a fixmbr C:03:05
jdongand a fixboot C: just to be safe03:05
jdongand you're set03:05
LaserJockhow do I boot into recovery console though?03:06
jdongwindows XP CD03:06
LaserJocklike I have one03:06
LaserJockstupid HP03:06
jdongpress 'r' when it presents you with the install options03:06
jdongwell03:06
jdongerr03:06
LaserJockhmm, let me see, I might have a recovery disk03:06
jdong*sigh*03:06
jdongactually03:06
jdongyou can use mbr03:06
jdong(the debian/ubuntu package)03:06
jdongboot onto a deb/buntu livecd03:06
jdongand install mbr from universe03:07
jdongand man installmbr03:07
Fujitsushawarma: It's mine, and isn't a merge.03:07
shawarmaFujitsu: No, that's what I thought.03:07
jdongsheesh -motu has been becoming I-borked-my-windows-please-help-me land :D03:07
shawarmaFujitsu: Can you perhaps explain why there's even an Ubuntu revison at all?03:07
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shawarmaFujitsu: debdiff tells me that the only difference between 0.0.9ubuntu2 and 0.0.9-0.1 is a changelog entry.03:08
shawarmaFujitsu: Which seems quite superfluous.03:08
Fujitsushawarma: There were Ubuntu changes in the distant past, which were 0.0.9ubuntu1, or something like that. Debian had an NMU, making it 0.0.9-0.1. 0.0.9ubuntu1 > 0.0.9-0.1, so 0.0.9ubuntu2 is in fact a fake sync of 0.0.9-0.1.03:09
shawarmaFujitsu: Oh, that *almost* makes sense. :-)03:09
shawarmaFujitsu: I'll leave that one alone.03:09
FujitsuThere are a couple of other similar ones of mine there.03:10
shawarmaFujitsu: Ok. I just didn't recognize your real name. I skip all the merges with familiar names on them.03:10
LaserJockjdong: sorry for the support questions03:11
LaserJock;-)03:11
shawarmaFujitsu: I just take the ones with names on them I don't recognize and hence don't expect to do the merges. Apparantly someone has done most of mine already. :-)03:11
jdongLaserJock: naw, it still brings back half-pleasant memories of my old nerdier self :)03:11
LaserJockI found my recovery CDs but the won't work because I changed the motherboard and they say I don't have an HP computer anymore03:11
LaserJockman I love MS >:(03:12
jdongLaserJock: just use installmbr like I said :)03:12
LaserJockyeah, thanks for that03:12
LaserJockUbuntu to the rescue03:12
jdongbecause the other alternative would be burning a mountain of setup diskettes03:12
jdongand I'd rather spare you that excitement03:12
LaserJockbtw, turns out the annoying "dying fan" sound was really a "dying hard drive" sound03:12
LaserJockyeah, I've done that method before03:13
LaserJockI don't even have a floppy drive to write them too03:13
jdongLaserJock: yeah, ain't that lovely... especially on modern SATA systems with no floppy drives03:13
crimsunbug 7410903:13
UbugtuMalone bug 74109 in firefox "?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7410903:13
crimsunwhat the crud kind of title is that?03:14
ajmitchone that needs a pony03:14
jdongcrimsun: an empty question to foreshadow an empty bug report?03:14
shawarmacrimsun: The same kind as the actual description.03:14
ajmitchcrimsun: it mentions automatix, it must be rejected03:14
jdongautomatix no estas supporto officialo03:14
jdongthere we go, closed rejected, done :D03:15
shawarmasuportado03:15
shawarmaofficialmente03:15
jdongclose enough03:15
shawarmasupongo. :-)03:15
jdongI can make wise cracks to the taco bell employees fine... my spanish is competent :D03:15
shawarmacrimsun: I took the liberty of responding.03:17
jdongpfft I liked my response better :)03:18
jdongpor more cracko aussi essayez EasyUbuntu ou LinuxMint03:18
shawarmaTotally.03:19
crimsunAdri2000: it makes sense to discard the delta by merging, then readding if necessary. MoM didn't have fun with that one, thus necessitating a sync.03:20
ajmitchjdong: how many languages id you mix into that sentence?03:20
shawarmaajmitch: *Way* too many.03:20
jdongajmitch: I don't know :D03:20
jdongforeign languages weren't my forte.....03:21
shawarmajdong: You lost me at "aussi essayez".03:21
ajmitchI can tell :)03:21
ajmitchI think that was meant to be french03:21
Toadstoolheya everybody!03:21
ajmitchhey Toadstool 03:21
Toadstoolhi ajmitch 03:21
jdongpfft ajmitch honestly I have no idea what language(s) that was :D03:21
shawarmaajmitch: Yes, that's the only thing I could guess. What it actually meant was beyond me.03:21
ajmitch"for more crack try easyubuntu or linux mint"03:22
shawarmajdong: *G* Ja, jeg kunne ogs bare tale dansk. Det ville da gre forvirringen total.03:22
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jdongsharms: raise local.Error, "No comprende...."03:24
jdongshawarma ^^03:24
jdongbut seriously back to work03:24
shawarmajdong: Indeed.03:24
Toadstooluhuh, got to go :/ this was my 5 "i'm not dead, what's going on in the MOTU world" minutes..03:24
ajmitchah, good to still see you round, Toadstool 03:25
Toadstool:)03:25
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Toadstoolif anyone wants to take care of my pending merges/syncs, I don't think I will have time to do that in the next two weeks :(03:26
ajmitchalright, will look after them03:26
ajmitchI didn't see many of yours on the list03:26
Toadstoolthanks a lot03:26
Toadstoolhmm gnomebaker maybe ?03:26
jdongFujitsu: whatever happened to azureus :D03:27
ajmitchthat, usbmount & mini-dinstall03:27
Toadstoollast time i checked usbmount & mini-dinstall were ok, just a NMU version issue03:28
Toadstoolanyway, see you everybody03:28
Fujitsujdong: A good question... I've been busy with work lately, and with another SRU or two. I'll aim to get it uploaded to dapper-proposed this afternoon.03:31
shawarmaIs there a deadline in two weeks I haven't noticed?03:31
Fujitsushawarma: No.03:31
shawarmaFujitsu: Ok. didn't think so.03:31
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jdongFujitsu: ah, ok, just checking, making sure you didn't forget03:33
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shawarmaI need a sponsor for a merge: http://www.linux2go.dk/feisty-merges/courier-authlib-merge.patch   Build logs can be found here: http://www.linux2go.dk/feisty-merges/courier-authlib03:45
crimsunare you filing bugs against the source package then subscribing ubuntu-universe-sponsors?03:46
crimsunthat would be preferable (and is generally more reliable)03:46
shawarmacrimsun: Oh, ok.03:46
shawarmacrimsun: I'll do that then.03:46
crimsunok, no need to do it for this one (courier-authlib)03:46
shawarmacrimsun: Ok. Thanks.03:47
shawarmacrimsun: Is there anything in particular I should put in the merge bug reports?03:48
crimsunyes, please follow the merge policy: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-August/000182.html03:49
shawarmacrimsun: I've been putting that in the changelog from the very beginning. Should I just put the changelog entry in the bug report and attach a debdiff.03:51
shawarma?03:51
crimsunjust attaching a debdiff will suffice03:51
shawarmacrimsun: ..so nothing in particular in the bug report? That's just fine.03:52
crimsunas long as you['ve]  [been]  attach[ing]  the necessary info, that's fine03:53
shawarma*G* Ok.03:54
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shawarmaDoes anyone know who Laurent Bigonville is?03:55
shawarmaHe did the last merge of fam and I've got a question..03:56
shawarmaOh dear04:01
joejaxxhey i have a funny question04:01
joejaxx:)04:01
joejaxxi have to upgrade to dapper then to edgy correct? from breezy?04:02
shawarmaIt's 4AM here. I've got funny answers.04:02
joejaxxshawarma: lol!04:02
shawarmajoejaxx: Yes. That's the supported upgrade path.04:02
joejaxxah ok04:02
joejaxxthat should be interesting on this 233MHz powerbook04:02
shawarmajoejaxx: It might work directly to edgy, but it's not been thoroughly tested.04:02
joejaxxyeah i do not want to try it04:03
joejaxxlol04:03
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shawarmajoejaxx: Yes. You should find something else to do while it does its magic.04:03
joejaxxit already took forerver to get breezy on this old world mac04:03
joejaxxshawarma: yeap :)04:03
shawarmajoejaxx: Upgrading hasn't got any snappier since then.04:03
joejaxx:)04:03
joejaxxi whould be upgrading off the cd04:04
joejaxxsince it does not have an airport card04:04
joejaxxand the card it does have is the fun broadcom haha04:04
joejaxxwow04:05
joejaxxbreezy04:05
joejaxxLOL!04:05
shawarmajoejaxx: Swell.. All you need is an nVidia graphics card that's not supported by the free driver.04:05
joejaxxshawarma: haha :P04:05
joejaxxi think this is an ati something04:05
shawarmajoejaxx: Even worse.04:06
joejaxxATI Rage LT Pro04:06
jdonghey at least that works very well with the radeon and ati drivers04:06
jdongand besides, there's good news....04:06
joejaxxyeah04:06
jdongI just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance04:06
joejaxxLOL!04:07
joejaxxwait04:07
joejaxxwhy is this thing saying a new kernel was installed04:07
joejaxx?04:07
joejaxxthis is a fresh install04:08
joejaxxlol04:11
shawarmajoejaxx: I don't know how it works on a mac, but on i386 I think it starts out with -386 but upgrades to -686 at some point.04:11
joejaxxoh04:12
shawarmajoejaxx: Maybe it's something along those lines.04:12
joejaxxwell i am glad i copied over the new kernel then lol04:12
joejaxxi am booting Ubuntu from os904:12
shawarmajoejaxx: sounds exotic.04:14
joejaxxyeah lol04:14
joejaxxhmmm04:17
joejaxxshawarma: the powerbook boots up into os9 then i run a program called bootx which runs the linux kernel04:18
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crimsunyay, the "zomgeatthesourceuploadboog" rears its head again04:18
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joejaxxcrimsun: lol!04:19
joejaxxcrimsun: are you having fun?04:19
shawarmacrimsun: huh?04:20
crimsunshawarma: every once in a while, the upload processor errors out attempting to find a signature on my source.changes04:22
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crimsunI uploaded courier-authlib_0.58-5ubuntu1_source.changes at 9:57 PM localtime and noticed that I didn't receive an ACCEPT04:22
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crimsunhaving experienced this bug for a couple Ubuntu release cycles now, I had a good idea it was the same bug and just punted it back at upload.uc04:23
crimsunvoila, received an ACCEPT 3 minutes ago04:23
shawarmacrimsun: Oh, ok. I thought I messed up somehow.04:23
shawarmaWhat you say? It's not all about me?04:24
shawarmaOh, well.04:24
joejaxxlol04:25
joejaxxshawarma: :)04:25
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LaserJockdarn I can't get install-mbr to work04:29
joejaxxhmm04:31
shawarmaLaserJock:  Maybe you just need to put the you-know-what you-know-where if you catch my drift..04:32
LaserJockmaybe I'll just buy a seagate from newegg and not use my computer until it arrives04:32
LaserJockshawarma: heh04:32
shawarmaLaserJock: Or maybe I just need to get some sleep.04:32
shawarmaLaserJock: either way works for me.04:33
LaserJockshawarma: what time is it there?04:33
shawarmaLaserJock: irssi says 4:33. That looks about accurate.04:33
shawarmaLaserJock: am, of course.04:34
LaserJockshesh04:35
LaserJockno wonder you're a little nutty04:35
LaserJock;-)04:35
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joejaxxbahumbug04:40
joejaxxbreezy is not upgrading from the cd04:40
shawarmaI think I'll go to bed before I embarass myself any further.04:40
joejaxxlol04:40
joejaxxGoodnight shawarma :)04:41
shawarmagoodnight, guys. I'm on a wild merging spree now, so I'll be back tomorrow. See you all then.04:42
joejaxxLaserJock: whould packages being keep back stop breezy from upgraidng?04:42
joejaxxGoodnight shawarma 04:42
joejaxxupgrading*04:42
LaserJockshawarma: cya04:43
LaserJockjoejaxx: how do you mean?04:43
joejaxxwell i did sudo apt-cdrom add04:43
joejaxxand sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade04:43
joejaxxand it just says cpp and cpp-4.0 are going to be held back04:44
shawarmajoejaxx: try apt-get install cpp-4.0 and see what happens. Mostly that explains why it wanted to hold them back in the first place.04:45
joejaxxit has unmet dependencies04:45
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LaserJockso what happens when you dist-upgrade04:46
joejaxxit says those packages are being held back04:46
joejaxxcpp and cpp-4.004:47
crimsunshawarma: please, please, please don't _ever_ assign to ubuntu-archive04:47
crimsunshawarma: they will shoot you in the face.04:47
joejaxxhmmmm04:48
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LaserJockcrimsun: yeah, the do seem to get weirded out when you do that ;-)04:52
LaserJock*they04:53
LaserJockcrimsun: umm, so should I unassign ubuntu-archive from shawarma's bugs?05:12
LaserJockor can I even?05:12
jdongshawarma: yeah I got a yelling about that too :D05:19
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LaserJockjdong: geeze, I just got my mbr fixed05:58
jdongLaserJock: whew, that took a while!05:58
LaserJockwell, took a break here and there05:58
jorgpnice work LaserJock 05:58
LaserJockbut install-mbr didn't work05:59
LaserJockbut I was able to is it to put the mbr on a floppy disk05:59
LaserJockwhich got me to Windows05:59
LaserJockthen I spent a while searching around for what exactly I needed05:59
LaserJockturned out a windows 98 boot disk worked fine05:59
jorgpLaserJock, have you tried to create a grub boot floppy?06:00
LaserJockwell, I didn't want grub right now06:00
jdongjorgp: it's a pure windows box06:00
jdongno grub06:00
jdongand installing grub on ntfs is less than fun06:00
jdongthough feasible06:00
LaserJockmy linux drive died and left a messed up grub06:00
LaserJockso the easiest way to still use the computer until a new drive arrives is to fix the mbr and used the dreaded Windows XP06:01
orpheanyou can setup NTLOADER to boot into linux if grub worries you06:01
LaserJockI sure wish that when you bought a computer they actually gave you a Windows XP CD06:02
LaserJockorphean: nah, it's just temporary until my new disk gets here06:02
LaserJockI spotted a 160GB Barracuda on newegg for $56.9906:02
jdongorphean: yeah, that's what I used to do06:03
jdongorphean: mainly because once in a while windows would find the compelling need to reassert its dominance over the mbr....06:03
orpheanhaha :)06:03
LaserJockso I thought I had 2 fans dying06:04
LaserJockturns out 1 was a hard drive, and the other is the fan on my nvidia card06:05
jorgpah, I thought that is was a duel boot disk06:08
LaserJockheh, it *was*06:08
LaserJockuntil I went to wipe the disk today to do a fresh install and it just started throwing IO errors06:09
jdongjorgp: is that what happens when you put RMS with a disk with nvidia.ko on it?06:10
jorgpno idea, dont have an nvidia card06:10
LaserJockhehe06:10
orpheanRMS has a dagger that's +9 against nvidia.ko06:10
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DarkMageZorphean, don't forget it has +8 against fglrx.ko :)06:12
orpheanhehe and RMS rolls 20s ;)06:13
LaserJockso why does nvidia get +9 and fglrx +*8 ?06:14
orpheanESR ninjaed the +906:15
jdongit's easier to do damage against AIGLX?06:16
LaserJockhmm, so I noticed some interesting blog behavior06:16
jdonglike jono seems to trump everyone else's post order?06:17
LaserJockI was looking at the planets for fedora, opensuse, and ubuntu06:17
LaserJockand the only one tied to the US (fedora) has the most non-English posts06:17
joejaxxLaserJock: do you know what package holds the drivers for broadcom?06:18
LaserJockno06:19
joejaxxoh ok06:20
joejaxxbecause i am going to need it for this breezy install06:20
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joejaxxbecause it makes no sense to install ndiswrapper when i am upgrading to dapper06:22
LaserJockdude, I have no idea what you're doing06:23
jorgpi have an very old ati radeon card06:23
joejaxxLaserJock: i want to upgrade from breezy to dapper06:24
LaserJockgeeze, you have something running breezy? ;-)06:24
LaserJockI haven't run breezy in about a year06:25
joejaxxLaserJock: yeah06:25
joejaxxonly breezy runs on oldworlds06:25
LaserJockinteresting06:25
joejaxxso i need the broadcom drivers06:28
jorgpeither one of you having any issues with edgy?06:28
joejaxxjorgp: of course :)06:28
LaserJockno06:29
jorgpi have had firefox crash 2 times already06:29
jorgptoday06:29
joejaxx:)06:29
jorgpon my gentoo machine, that is why I switched it back to ff 1.506:30
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jorgpi've been seriously been thinging about forward porting ff 1.5 from dapper06:41
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joejaxxif i change the version of a package to lets say from 9.3-1 to 9.3-1ubuntu106:55
joejaxxshould i change the source folder label as well?06:55
joejaxxfrom 9.3-1?06:55
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lifelessjoejaxx: no08:09
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minghuagood evening08:21
somerville32:] 08:22
somerville32Evening08:22
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sladenjoejaxx: no.  the source folder is the number of the *upstream* package08:38
sladenjoejaxx: so, 9.308:38
sladenjoejaxx: -1 is the debian version 08:39
sladenjoejaxx: ubuntu1 is the ubuntu version08:39
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Simon80grrr... I'm confused about revu09:34
crimsun?09:37
Simon80I did a proper dput yesterday, but I hadn't asked to get on the revu keyring... and now I'm trying to upload the same package version, only I've unbroken something, so I do want to upload... and it's giving me the old Error 553 Could not create file09:38
Simon80but just now I also did a dput *changes, without the revu in place09:38
Simon80so I'm not sure which of the 2 uploads is giving me grief09:38
crimsunare you in the universe contributors list now with the keyring synced?09:38
Simon80hmm09:39
crimsun(an admin will need to verify and remove your upload if necessary)09:39
ajmitchknowing what the upload is would help09:39
Simon80how can I check that it's synced properly09:39
Simon80oh, yeah, stepmania, stepmania-data09:39
ajmitchupload source-only debs, please09:40
Simon80yeah, that was a mistake too?09:40
ajmitchquite09:40
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ajmitchit doesn't clean up after binary uploads still09:40
Simon80well, I was already on top of that09:40
ajmitchso further uploads, even of a source-only package, will break09:40
Simon80I mean, like, my next upload was gonna be source09:40
Simon80ah, ok09:40
ajmitchI've removed them all09:40
Simon80I'm in the list on launchpad, but I have no idea about revu... I did send a message today to the proper address, and got a response, so I should be on the keyring09:41
ajmitchyes, I saw that09:41
Simon80where? the email?09:41
ajmitchyes09:41
Simon80the reason I uploaded a binary, by the way, is cause pbuilder outputs only the i386 changes file, damn thing, lol09:42
ajmitchthen don't upload that09:42
ajmitchupload the source.changes09:42
Simon80yep, I've learned my lesson09:42
Simon80I run debuild -S -sa09:42
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crimsunnice, I'm getting support requests from individuals about all sorts of issues09:46
ajmitchlucky you09:47
ajmitchI never seem to get any of those09:47
ajmitchnor do I get any of the mentoring requests that laserjock does09:47
Simon80so um, one of my package uploads showed up, the other one didn't09:47
ajmitchno, they're both listed09:48
Simon80stepmania is there, stepmania-data seems not to be09:48
Simon80oh09:48
Simon80there we go09:48
Simon80err, should I be targetting feisty instead of edgy?09:49
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Simon80and with regards to http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/stepmania-0612020340/linda09:50
Simon80should I just get rid of that then?09:50
Simon80in my changelog?09:50
Simon80I have a few cvs versions, then I downgraded to 3.9 for this upload09:50
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sivanghi my fellow motus09:56
ajmitchSimon80: yes, it probably would be a good idea to09:57
ajmitchhello sivang 09:57
sivanghi ajmitch , how you been doing? has lady luck been kind to you lately? :)09:57
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Simon80what about the dist, is doing s/edgy/feisty for the one entry that will be left in my changelog what I need to do?09:58
StevenK(In other news, diff-mode in Emacs rocks. :-)09:58
Simon80stevenk: gvimdiff :D09:58
StevenKSimon80: Meh, I say, meh.09:58
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ajmitchsivang: hm, average09:58
gautehhey. would i be able to upgrade to feisty by adding the fesity repos to sources.list and do a dist upgrade?09:59
sivangajmitch: how's the extended n-m work going?09:59
ajmitchn-a, you mean09:59
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sivangajmitch: ah, you're off that job? not interested anymore?10:00
Simon80gauteh: that would have some sort of upgrading effect10:00
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Simon80afaik that's how to do it, but someone may have some sort of better way10:00
ajmitchsivang: no, I never touched n-m at all10:01
somerville32Does multiverse take non-source packages?10:01
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sivangajmitch: ah, so what are you going to touch part of your planned stuff for network authenticatoin ?10:01
StevenKsivang: Why would he need to? If the hooks are placed under /etc/network, it should work for everything.10:02
StevenKNote the should. :-)10:02
ajmitchStevenK: that's what the samba man said10:02
Simon80somerville32: you probably don't do it that way, you'd have a source package with binaries in it10:03
ajmitchwhich consisted of a few lines of shell script in suse to tell winbindd to go into offline mode10:03
StevenKHrm. Which Samba man?10:03
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ajmitchhe wasn't officially at UDS :)10:03
StevenKOh, right.10:03
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Simon80so um, my changelog10:05
Simon80should I include (Closes: #200715)? if it ever gets into debian, it'll close 20071510:06
StevenKYour changelog entry probably won't.10:06
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StevenKajmitch: I wonder if you're planning on being around in roughly an hour.10:06
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ajmitchI may be10:07
ajmitchdo you have something I need to upload?10:07
Simon80no, I'm just asking for your opinion so I don't have to upload more than twice10:07
StevenKajmitch: Ah. wlassistant to -updates, but I'm stuck on a Windows box at my mothers house. :-(10:07
ajmitchunfortunate10:07
ajmitchSimon80: no, don't put it in there10:07
Simon80ok10:07
ajmitchif it gets uploaded to debian, it'll need a debian changelog entry anyway10:08
StevenKEsp. given the background is my sisters mug, which is staring at me.10:08
ajmitchheh10:08
Simon80ajmitch: -D feisty?10:08
ajmitchyes, feisty in the changelog10:08
ajmitchStevenK: 7 days is up?10:09
StevenKajmitch: When do we count from?10:09
ajmitchfrom the latest package upload to -proposed10:09
ajmitchI *think*10:10
StevenKIn that case, I'll count from Colin's message in the bug.10:10
ajmitchok10:10
ajmitchI thought you made another upload10:10
StevenKI was pondering making one.10:11
StevenKsflaw and I decided that I didn't really need to.10:11
ajmitchsince you said on the 28th that it had landed in -proposed, I thought another one had been uploaded10:11
ajmitchI presume that the 7 days are up now10:11
StevenKColin's message was on the 23rd of November.10:11
StevenKSo yes. :-)10:12
StevenKThe landed in -proposed was in response to Simon saying "Set the bug to Fix Commited" when the package is accepted.10:13
ajmitchok, are you able to give me a debdiff?10:13
StevenKNot yet, since I'm not at home.10:14
ajmitchok, I thought you may have had ssh access to home :)10:14
StevenKajmitch: The link I'm on is just fast enough for IRC. If I try anything quick, the link goes ... wonky.10:15
StevenKThe link here, not my home DSL.10:15
ajmitchah, sounds like when I visit my parents10:15
StevenKHeh10:15
ajmitchsince they see no reason for DSL10:15
StevenKTypical. :-)10:16
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sivangajmitch: I might need a sponsoring for dhcdbd10:16
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ajmitchsivang: why?10:17
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sivangajmitch: if you'll be here for a little while10:17
sivangajmitch: I'm merging it, and normally slomo sponsors me but he's away for the weekend10:17
ajmitchI see that slomo was last to touch it10:17
sivangajmitch: indeed, and I've been recently taking merges from him (ofcourse with his encouragement and consent)10:18
sivangajmitch: I already did n-m and libnotify10:18
palskihow about packages which are not anymore in debian, should those be removed from ubuntu also? Especially if the package doesn't work at all 10:21
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ajmitchpalski: yes10:22
ajmitchremovals from debian generally get processed at some point10:23
Simon80E: stepmania_3.9-0ubuntu1_source.changes: bad-distribution-in-changes-file feisty10:23
Simon80why!!!!!!!???????????10:23
Simon80lol10:23
Simon80I give up10:23
Simon80:D10:23
palskiajmitch: there is a package called danpei and it segfaults always when you try to run it. 10:24
palskiand i cannot find it in packages.debian.org10:25
fernandomoin all10:25
ajmitchthen it may not have been imported from debian10:25
ajmitchhave you filed a bug about it?10:26
palskiajmitch: there is only one ubuntu specific entry in debian/changelog so I think it is imported from debian? I havent filed a bug report bug somebody has bug #4218410:27
UbugtuMalone bug 42184 in danpei "danpei segfaults immediately when run" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4218410:27
ajmitchit could have been a third-party import10:28
Simon80ajmitch, is there anything to say about my lintian complaint? 10:29
ajmitchnot really10:30
ajmitchthe host that runs revu only has dapper10:30
Simon80ahh10:31
Simon80no wonder10:31
Simon80so it was a fluke then10:31
Simon80but that's horrible, cause every single package on there says needs work cause of that10:32
ajmitchno10:32
ajmitchis that such a problem?10:32
ajmitchwhy is it horrible?10:32
ajmitch'needs work' is based on the number of advocates, not the lintian status10:32
Simon80oh10:32
Simon80ok10:32
Simon80well then10:32
Simon80do I just wait then?10:33
Simon80first time :D10:33
ajmitchyes, though asking people to review it if they have time can be helpful10:33
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StevenKajmitch: Still around?11:22
ajmitchsorta11:23
StevenKDo you want to leave the uploading until later, then?11:23
ajmitchI think I'm still awake11:23
ajmitchnot quite sure11:23
StevenKHeh11:23
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StevenKajmitch: Would you like a debdiff against 0ubuntu3 or 0ubuntu3.1?11:27
ajmitchagainst 0ubuntu3.1, I guess11:27
ajmitchsince that's what I have unpacked11:27
StevenKHah, it's not even 1K11:28
StevenKajmitch: Mail?11:28
ajmitchk11:28
ajmitchI'd expect it to only be a new changelog entry11:29
StevenKCorrect.11:29
ajmitchugly package11:33
ajmitchneeding all these headers installed just for the clean target11:33
ajmitchUploading to ubuntu (via ftp to upload.ubuntu.com):11:35
ajmitchk11:35
ajmitchdone11:35
StevenKajmitch: Thanks so much.11:36
ajmitchno problem11:36
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ajmitchhello Hobbsee 11:36
Simon80........wrt to your reply, feel free to review my package if you have time ;)11:37
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ajmitchHobbsee: stay where you are, please11:50
Hobbseeajmitch: why?11:51
ajmitchinstead of disconnecting all the time11:51
ajmitchsigh, 78 open samba bugs11:51
ajmitchmany of them old11:52
ajmitchthis will take awhile to do some bug triage on11:52
ajmitchhah11:52
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shawarmacrimsun: around?12:06
shawarmaMaybe someone else can answer: I filed a few sync requests last night and assigned the bugs to ubuntu-archive, but according to crimsun "they'll shoot me in the face" if I do that..12:09
Hobbseeshawarma: they will.  use subscribe, not assign12:09
shawarmaHobbsee: Oh!12:09
ajmitchif you're lucky, you'll get away with a bullet in the kneecaps instead12:10
shawarmaHobbsee: Right, ok. I'll fix that right away.12:10
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shawarmaWhat difference does it actually make?12:12
ajmitchit makes a difference for filtering what bugs they see12:12
shawarmaOk.. I'll make a note of it on the wiki.12:14
ajmitch"To request a sync, [WWW]  file a bug in Launchpad with the above information, and subscribe the ubuntu-archive team to the bug. This team will process the request and close the bug when it is complete."12:17
ajmitchit's already noted on the correct page (DeveloperResources)12:17
shawarmaajmitch: I know. However, that assigning them instead of subscribing them could have lethal consequences is not duly noted.12:18
shawarmaajmitch: I think it's an easy mistake to make.12:18
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shawarmaBy the way: While I was going through the merges last night I just skipped all the ones that were done by people I know to be active. Do you guys do that as well? 12:20
FujitsuPretty much what I did during Edgy, yes.12:20
StevenKFujitsu: Muahaha12:21
shawarmaFujitsu: Ok.12:21
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gesershawarma: until you are a MOTU your sync request need an ACK from a MOTU12:23
shawarmageser: Really? Sheesh.12:24
shawarmaThen maybe someone could look that the syncs in this list https://bugs.launchpad.net/people/shawarma/+reportedbugs ?12:25
geseryes (at least if nothing has changed), subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors instead of ubuntu-archive12:25
shawarmaThere's only 6 of them.12:25
shawarmaFor crying out loud! I just..12:26
shawarma..ah well.12:26
shawarmaOk, I'll change it.12:26
shawarmaagain12:26
shawarma..12:26
geserthe person doing the ACK will then subscribe ubuntu-archive12:26
Hobbseeshawarma: you wrote some specs, and talked about them on ubuntu-devel?12:26
shawarmaHobbsee: Not recently, but yes.12:26
Hobbseeshawarma: well, the talking about them was recent.  as for the "download a partial cd" stuff - that's done with rsync12:27
shawarmaGarh....12:27
shawarmaHobbsee: That wasn't me.12:27
Hobbseeoh right12:27
shawarmaI can't unsubscribe ubuntu-archive.12:28
shawarmaNow they'll probably shoot me in the face anyway.12:28
StevenKYes, I love how you can't unsubscribe people from bugs.12:28
Hobbseeyou cant?12:28
gnomefreakStevenK: yes you can12:28
shawarmagnomefreak: Explain how.12:28
gnomefreakshawarma: go to the unsubscribe someone12:29
shawarmagnomefreak: which is where?12:29
Hobbseeleft hand pannel12:29
gnomefreakshawarma: on the left hand side of the page above subscribe12:29
FujitsuYou can't unsubscribe somebody else, can you?12:29
Hobbsees/pannel/panel/12:29
StevenKThat's "Unsubscribe"12:29
gnomefreakFujitsu: yes12:29
StevenKWith unsubscribes *yourself*12:30
FujitsuYou can unsubscribe teams you're a member of, I know...12:30
StevenKs/With/Which/12:30
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gnomefreakStevenK: than all that is subscribed it people or teams that you are not on. but if you add someone you should beable to unsubscribe them12:30
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Hobbseethe dog is just crazy anyway12:31
gnomefreakajmitch: annoying most of time for me atleast12:31
ajmitchHobbsee: quite12:32
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StevenKHobbsee: He's not crazy. He just has ADD. :-P12:32
Hobbseeand that's any different?12:32
StevenKIndeed it is.12:33
StevenKA mental disorder such as shizophernia is very different.12:33
Hobbseetrue12:33
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shawarmaADD == Advanced Dungeons and Dragons?12:34
ajmitchADD == likes shiny things, etc12:35
ajmitchreminds me of someone we know12:35
StevenKThink of George Bush.12:35
StevenK"Most of our exp.... Oh look, a kitty."12:35
StevenKIt expands to Attention Deficit Disorder.12:36
Hobbseeajmitch: is that aimed at me?12:36
ajmitchno12:36
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Hobbseehence the question12:37
ajmitchthough it could12:37
Hobbseenah...12:37
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Lathiatspun out12:47
Lathiati was doing a few days of feisty upgrades and in the middle of it my left screne just got corrupted12:47
Lathiatpermanantly12:47
Lathiatwell until a drop to console and back12:47
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ajmitchinteresting12:47
ajmitchI saw that a couple of days ago, but assumed it was due to testing some stuff with the nouveau driver12:48
Lathiat * Setting up console font and keymap...                                 [ OK ]  12:48
ajmitch& making it crash repeatedly12:48
Lathiatis my best guess12:48
Lathiat(Setting up console-setup (1.13ubuntu3) ...12:48
Lathiatyep12:48
Lathiatthats it12:48
Lathiatlathiat@chiana:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/console-setup start12:49
Lathiatcauses it12:49
StevenKNow run it with sh -x to see what command.12:49
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gnomefreakuniverse/multiverse isnt frozen right?12:55
gnomefreakLathiat: that happened to me also dropping to tty and back to X fixed it12:56
Fujitsugnomefreak: The entire archive is frozen, but universe/multiverse uploads can be let through without extra approval.12:57
gnomefreakFujitsu: im waiting for one that was uploaded wed. or thursday12:58
gnomefreaki was just wondering if the reason it hasnt hit yet was it was frozen12:58
shawarmaIs anyone here involved in the *TeX* packages?01:03
StevenKI occasionally write LaTeX, does that count?01:04
Hobbseegnomefreak: did you get an accepted mail for it?01:04
shawarmaStevenK: Hardly. :-)01:04
StevenKshawarma: :-P01:04
gnomefreakHobbsee: no i didnt upload it mvo did01:05
shawarmaStevenK: I'll just have to wait until slomo shows up.01:05
Hobbseeah01:08
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gnomefreaki havent seen it if you mean in feisty-changes01:09
Adri2000hi :)01:11
Hobbseethat too01:12
Adri2000Fujitsu: homebank built fine?01:17
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asabilhi all03:51
asabilcan I request a package please ?03:51
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rmjbasabil: you can add new packaging candidates to this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates03:58
asabilhmm, its not an easy package03:58
asabilits ueagle-atm03:59
rmjbis it in debian?04:00
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asabildon't knoe04:02
asabilknow04:02
bhalepackages.debian.org04:02
asabilbasically this package is the one stopping many many people from using ubuntu04:03
rmjbit looks like some sort of driver that interacts with the kernel somehow?04:03
asabilnop04:03
asabilyes, it is a driver04:04
asabilit's the new version of eagle-usb04:04
asabilwhich is currently broken in edgy and dapper04:04
asabiland it is not on debian :/04:05
rmjbasabil: does it build and install find in edgy/dapper?04:05
rmjbfind = fine04:05
asabilrmjb, yes04:05
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asabilI don't have the modem myself, but I managed to guide my brother to get it installed04:05
asabilit worked without any glitches04:06
asabilbut still he is frustrated when I ask him to open a terminal04:06
rmjbwhat version did you use?04:06
asabillatest04:07
asabil1.3 iirc04:07
rmjbI'm not a pro packager by any means, but I can give it a shot for you. Email me @ rmjb@mail.com so I have your contact when I get a chance to look at it04:09
asabilok04:10
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asabildone04:11
Adri2000where should I put a dh_iconcache in a debhelper debian/rules?04:11
rmjbasabil: I'll let you know when I tackle it... probably by tomorrow, busy with Ubuntu Open Week sessions today04:12
asabiltake your time, I am not in ahurry04:12
asabilthanks very much04:12
HobbseeAdri2000: below dh_installmenu04:13
Hobbseeand the like04:13
Adri2000dh_installman debian/blobwars.604:15
Adri2000        dh_link04:15
Adri2000between theses two lines?04:15
Hobbseeafter all the dh_install's is fine.  before the dh_deb or whatever it is04:16
Hobbseethat's the installing of the man page, not the menu file04:17
Hobbseeiirc it works below a certain point, instead of above a certain point04:17
CypherBIOSHobbsee: please, don't forget my package http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3581 :)04:17
Adri2000Hobbsee: okay, thanks04:18
HobbseeCypherBIOS: i'm going away soon, i probably wont get to see it for at least another week.  you probably want someone else to check that04:18
CypherBIOSHobbsee: ok, any suggestion who can do it?04:19
Hobbseea MOTU04:19
CypherBIOS:)04:19
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CypherBIOSPlease, can someone (with 10 minutes) review a package for me?04:35
CypherBIOShere is the link gerenciador de pacotes para o KDE04:37
CypherBIOSops04:37
CypherBIOShttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=358104:37
CypherBIOS:)04:37
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outimeHi guys, I'm searching some documentation for make my own distro derived of Kubuntu (dapper, of course). Any idea?04:41
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rmjboutime: joejaxx and LaserJock might be able to help you04:42
rmjbif they're on04:42
outimeat least joejaxx yes, thanks04:43
_MMA_joejaxx is more a Gnome/Fluxbox guy. LaserJock is the better person to ask.04:44
_MMA_LaserJock works on Icthux.04:44
_MMA_Kubuntu based.04:44
rmjbyou can also hope over to #icthux and ask those guys04:45
rmjbhope = hop04:45
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outimeThanks to all :-)04:57
outimebut the channel doesn't exist04:57
outimeMaybe #ichthux :-)04:58
outimeyes, it's04:58
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Adri2000"Depends: python2.3 -> python2.4" < is this kind of ubuntu changes still needed?05:07
sivangAdri2000: I think so, yes05:07
sivangAdri2000: you might want to check out the python policy and use either pysupport or python-central05:08
Adri2000sivang: this change was in ghextris 0.9.0-1.2 and in the changelog 0.9.0-1.2 there is "Remove explicit dependency on python2.3."05:09
Adri2000err05:09
Adri2000s/ghextris 0.9.0-1.2/ghextris 0.9.0-1.1ubuntu1/05:10
sivangAdri2000: okay, so its probably using the new policy which doesn't or relieves the rquirement for a specific versioned dependency05:10
sivangAdri2000: if you still have the versioned 2.3 dependency, just change it to 2.405:10
sivangthat should stil work05:10
kalon34QUESTION: Is there somewhere with the process to follow or can you describe it please ?05:11
sivangkalon34: you mena the python policy changes?05:11
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Adri2000sivang: the debian non maintainer (it was a nmu :p) changed the B-D like that: s/python2.3/python/05:12
sivangkalon34, Adri2000 : http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy05:12
kalon34sorry, I though I were in ubuntu-classroom-chat ^^05:12
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kalon34but thanks for your good intention sivang. :)05:12
sivangkalon34: :-D05:13
Adri2000sivang: so I can request a sync for this package?05:13
Adri2000(if it builds fine)05:13
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sivangAdri2000: if the only change was what you mentioned, and debian already include it (the dependency and python policy switch) I don't see a reason why not.05:17
Adri2000ubuntu: s/python2.3/python2.4/ ; debian: s/python2.3/python/05:17
Adri2000it's not really the same change05:18
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sivangAdri2000: and this is in the build-depends yes?05:20
sivang(the only change)05:20
Adri2000yep05:20
sivangAdri2000: and the package built find in your fesity and installed and is up and working?05:20
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Adri2000sivang: no sorry, it's in the depends (not build)05:21
Adri2000I'm going to launch the build05:21
sivangAdri2000: see if it builds, and installs fine, if it does, then it's okay to request a sync05:22
Adri2000ok, thanks for your help05:23
sivangAdri2000: no problem, my plreasure.05:25
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rmjbsivang: can you okay a sync request I made? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/dmraid/+bug/7198005:25
UbugtuMalone bug 71980 in dmraid "dmraid: sync new debian version" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  05:25
rmjbsince you're here05:25
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sivangrmjb: I cannot test it though, since I've never used dmraid05:31
rmjbumm... if I refer you to a bug that people said this version works for them in edgy would that be okay?05:32
kalon34sivang, as daniel holbach invites us, and I'm interessed by that, how I can join ubuntu-motu ?05:32
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rmjbthis bug shows that the current package is outright broken, and the new version works (last 5 - 10 comments) https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/dmraid/+bug/5424605:33
UbugtuMalone bug 54246 in dmraid "DMRAID stopped to work in kernels > 2.6.15" [Medium,In progress]  05:33
sivangkalon34: Well, you have to work on packages for a while, preferably on what interests you in universe,05:33
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sivangkalon34: then upload to REVU when doing merges, packaging new programs etc.05:34
sivangkalon34: after you've worked with some folks as sponsors for a while, and feel confident enough to be able to work without supervision on universe, you propose yourself to the ubuntu-dev team05:34
sivangkalon34: then, on TB meeting (technical board) you wlil be asked question, technical and other regarding your invovlement and your interest 05:35
sivangkalon34: the TB members will then decide if to grant you upload access or not, if not they will tell you what they need to see more before they can approve you.05:35
sivangkalon34: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewDeveloperProcess05:37
sivangkalon34: actually not sure this is the latest document.05:37
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kalon34okay, thanks sivang :)05:38
sivangkalon34: this is a specification to make this process better, could be an interesting read until it becomes ready - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MotuProcessesSpechttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MotuProcessesSpechttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MotuProcessesSpec05:39
sivanghrm05:39
sivangwoops05:39
sivangkalon34: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MotuProcessesSpec05:39
sivangthat's better05:39
rmjbsivang: will the information I gave be enough for you to ack? if not can you recommend a motu to ack the sync request?05:39
sivangkalon34: my pleasure, it encouraging to be asked such question from people around the community :)05:39
sivangrmjb: I can actually request the sync myself, just a sec05:40
rmjbok05:40
kalon34I'm contributing to bugsquad, support and french translations now (as kalon33 on launchpad, I had a login problem on freenode which gave me kalon34) but I've not programming skills, so I haven't what is needed for the MOTU, am I ?05:42
sivangrmjb: so the issue is completely fixed in sid yes? what are the differences between our and sid's package?05:42
rmjbsivang: right now it's a -Q option to modprobe, it just sliences messages05:43
sivangkalon34: well, I think you require only minor programming skills for MOTU,05:43
sivangrmjb: you mean, difference between ubuntu and sid? (debian)05:43
rmjbkalon34: if you can install from source (./configure, make, make install) you can start on MOTU05:43
rmjbsivang: sorry, sid is a new version05:44
rmjbrc1305:44
rmjbwe're still on rc905:44
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sivangkalon34: its mostly about attentions to details, and being able to work with source distributions, as well as knowledge of the different debian packaging schemes, policies etc.05:44
rmjbwhich has an issue with kernels 2.6.16 an over05:44
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kalon34sivang : I already did that sometimes to get last versions of some apps.05:45
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sivangkalon34: so you can work as a MOTU ;)05:45
sivangrmjb: okay, what you need to do as open a bug as a sync request, subscribe ubuntu-archive to it,05:45
sivangrmjb: link the bug report that proves that dmraid is completely broken in ubuntu, and show the diffs from the debian/ folder05:46
kalon34sivang : how to begin with hopeful ? I already subscribe to ubuntu-motu list.05:46
jdongsivang: no, backports got dibs on those who want new versions :D05:46
rmjbsivang: the sync request I linked to is not it?05:46
sivangjdong: ?05:46
sivangrmjb: hmm, let me look again, sorry05:47
sivangjdong: or rather, huh? :)05:47
jdongsivang: never mind :)05:47
rmjbjdong: once the new dmraid gets into feisty I'll be hitting you up for a backport of it05:47
jdongrmjb: oh lovely :)05:47
rmjbbecause it's completely broken in edgy too05:47
sivangkalon34: just work on packages, try being with merges and sync need be done to universe, use REVU to upload your created stuff, and have people review05:47
rmjbI notice you're *very* active in the backporting05:48
jdongrmjb: yeah, I run the normal show around there....05:48
jdongthe other backporters handle stuff outta my knowledge scope05:48
jdongand ubuntu-archive has to put up with the floods of requests being approved :)05:48
jdonghmm, 97 backports yesterday, 2 build failures05:49
jdongnot bad05:49
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kalon34sivang : thanks for using your time explaining it to me :)05:49
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sivangkalon34: no problem at all!05:49
bhalejdong: not beagle, I hope05:49
jdongbhale: -archive hasn't gottten around to that batch yet :D05:49
mr_pouitjdong: you said you use a pbuilder hook to build with make -j3 instead of -j2. How do you do exactly ? (I tried several solutions and it doesn't work ^^)05:49
jdongmr_pouit: no, I just either (1) mess with source packages (2) or set CONCURRENCY_LEVEL on packages that allow for it05:50
mr_pouitjdong: oh, ok ;)05:50
jdongsetting MAKEFLAGS, as obvious as it sounds, doesn't work :)05:50
sivangrmjb: you need to sub ubuntu-archive for that, and ask a sync on the last note05:50
jdongthough I vow that's a debhelper bug :)05:50
sivangrmjb: if its for https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/dmraid/+bug/7198005:51
UbugtuMalone bug 71980 in dmraid "dmraid: sync new debian version" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  05:51
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mr_pouitjdong: I even tried to create /etc/make.conf (as in gentoo ^^)05:51
jdongLOL05:51
sivangrmjb: try to find someone in ubuntu-dev who can actually test the new package, and proove it to work I think05:51
kalon34sorry sivang, another question, how to find packages needed to be built and merged ?05:51
sivangdholbach: what do you think?05:51
sivangdholbach: I don't have raid nor never used it, so I can't know for sure the sync will work, how can we proceed in that case?05:52
dholbachsivang: if you're really unsure, ask somebody to test it05:52
sivangdholbach: well, it really looks good according to rmjb comments and work he has done05:52
rmjbwell from the bug I linked you (not the sync request) to actually use FakeRAID on edgy you'd have to have the new version... so I'm thinking no motu's or dev use fake raid... which is why it's been open for a while05:53
jdongbhale: though I'm not sure how cjwatson will react to that backport... he's been insisting on using SRU a lot this time around05:53
sivangdholbach: However, I'm usually uneasy to upload/ack stuff I can't test myself :)05:53
dholbachright05:53
bhalejdong: he already said that about beagle, it is a number of changesets05:55
bhaleover a few releases05:55
sivangdholbach: how reasonable is it to sync to the new version, and then wait for bugs ? :)05:55
bhaleim a bad maintainer, i am not excited to look at making a patch05:55
rmjbsivang: once the new version is synced in feisty I intend to test it before asking for a backport05:56
rmjbit just needs to get into the archive somehow05:56
sivangrmjb: I see, then actually this sounds harmless, as yes, feisty people expect trouble :)05:57
dholbachsivang: you have to deal with the flames if people loose data :-)05:57
dholbachsivang: but that shouldn't stop you, it's just something you have to consider05:57
sivangdholbach: okay, I'm happy to deal with it05:57
sivangrmjb: gonna ack the sync now05:57
dholbachalright05:57
rmjbTHANK YOU!!!05:57
rmjbI want to send you a thank you card...!05:57
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sivangrmjb: oh no, no need, but you can buy me a bottle or pint of Becks, Erdinger or Paulnar next time you see me if ever ;)05:58
sivangdholbach: ^^05:58
sivang;)05:58
rmjbhopefully as some UDS in the future :D05:58
sivangrmjb: that is indeed what I thought of , yes :)05:59
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jdongbhale: oh yes, I recall that now, yesterday :)06:01
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jdongooh, look at that, my last Maxtor has spun its last revolution last night....06:02
jdongin a buffer IO error infinite loop06:02
jdongapparently /var/log/* was in a bad area06:02
jdongand writing to the log would generate more error events :)06:03
elkbuntuanyone here have imbrandon's cell06:08
rmjbhttp://docs.google.com/Doc.aspx?id=dwr4cnp_0xstds706:09
rmjbelkbuntu: it's on that page, his resume06:09
elkbuntuah nevermind, he's alive. with net problems06:10
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rmjbbtw, any update on herd 1?06:12
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vilhello06:13
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vilis there any tool to visualize the dependency between packages?06:13
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siretartvil: try 'apt-cache dotty'06:14
vilsiretart: great! thanks. let's try it06:15
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jorgpdebian will have a flood of version bumps come dec 4 or so when etch gets released and debian main because totally unfrozen06:38
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rmjbLaserJock: here for the doc open week session?06:49
LaserJockyeah06:49
bhaleit is still open week?06:51
sivangbhale: are you doing any C#/.NET/Mono stuff at work or just PHP ?06:53
LaserJockbhale: yeah, last day06:53
bhalesivang: php, tcl06:53
bhale+expect06:53
sivangbhale: I learnt a whole lot new stuff about Mono/C#/.NET , it seems less evil everytime I take a look at it, am I going crazy? :)06:53
bhaleno06:54
bhaleC# rules.06:54
sivangbhale: are you doing subprcess control from PHP based web sites?06:54
bhalesubprocess control?06:54
bhalelike spawning external programs?06:54
sivang17:53 < bhale> +expect06:54
bhaleexpect is an extension to tcl06:54
bhalevery seperate from php..06:55
sivangsure, I Know06:55
bhalethere are 4 pieces06:55
bhalethe database, where all device info is stored06:55
bhalethe automation functions, pull data from DB, perform automated acts on devices on CLI06:55
bhalethe SNMP pollers, pull data from DB, poll using SNMP, put more data back to DB or into rrdtool06:56
bhalethe web interface, which is PHP, shows textual or rrdtool data to the user06:56
sivangbhale: I reached a point where I can't understand why all the IT world, open and closed, shouldn't just standartize on C# for most of the stuff, and revert to "wrist friendly" stuff like IronPython and Boo for the rest06:56
bhaleoh, i absolutely shouldnt standardize on any of those06:57
bhaleshow me a mature SNMP binding with all the features I need in CLR06:57
bhalethen one for RRDTool06:57
sivangbhale: well, ofcourse there are weak spots,06:57
sivangbhale: doesn't mean we can't improve that by writing exiting new bindings for it06:57
bhalei dont have time to invest in moving to something that doesnt do what I need now06:57
bhaleTCL/Expect has a long history of network management usage and the bindings show it06:58
sivangbhale: ofcourse, noted, but for web development which I'm reading is now possible using mono and a couple of tohers, it could be way cool to have type safety and useful where you need to refactor large quants of code06:58
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bhaleif it made sense I would have switched :)06:59
sivangbhale: ah, that's what I wanted to hear :)07:01
bhalethink about now, having a bunch of little scripts in $foo/bin07:01
bhaleyour web stuff07:01
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bhalethink of managing the source code somewhere also07:01
bhaleand makefile/autotools rules to install everything in the right place07:02
bhalerecompiling07:02
bhaleit doesnt fit in my work flow07:02
bhalefor plenty of reasons07:02
bhaleI develop in mono on the gnome desktop07:02
bhaleit makes sense.07:02
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sivangbhale: right, on the fly script glue is what you need07:04
sivangbhale: what stuff you do on the gnome desktop?07:04
sivang(in mono/C#)07:04
bhalelast-exit07:04
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bhaleit is #6 on google07:05
sivangbhale: http://www.lastexitlive.com/index.php? :)07:05
bhaleno07:05
bhalehttp://folks.o-hand.com/iain/last-exit/07:05
sivangbhale: did you put efforts into the web page interface? :P07:06
bhalesivang: heh no07:06
bhalebut i love it07:06
bhalei want to reproduce it as a wiki somehow07:07
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sivangbhale: are there ubuntu packages already?07:08
sivangI'd like to test it07:08
bhaleyes07:08
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bhaleit is in edgy and feisty07:08
=== sivang installs
sivanguniverse yes07:09
sivang?07:09
bhaleyes.07:09
bhaleyou need an account from http://last.fm07:09
sivangI am available for website design, but my rates are very high, although you do get the use of my patented site-in-a-png(tm, pat. pending) technology.07:10
sivang?? :)07:10
sivangHAHAHA07:10
sivangcan last-exit help me create an account ?07:11
bhalei think so07:11
bhalethere is a first run dialog07:11
bhaleto enter your account07:11
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sivangbhale: yes, I'm trying it now07:11
sivangaccount created07:13
bhaleyou can join our group07:14
bhaleand be the first person from israel maybe07:14
stgrabernice software, I didn't know of it07:15
sivangbhale: kool, how do I do it?07:16
bhalesivang: press play.07:16
bhaleoh07:16
bhalethere is a button in Preferences to join07:16
sivangbhale: yes, I clicked it, it opens the browser07:17
bhaleyes07:17
bhaleclick join07:17
bhaleunder the group logo07:18
sivangbhale: You are not currently a member of the "Last Exit" group. Click to join this group.07:18
sivang?07:18
bhaleyes07:18
sivangdone, now what?07:18
bhaleyou are joined07:19
bhalefirst member from israel07:19
bhalehttp://www.last.fm/group/Last+Exit/countries07:19
stgraberand second from Switzerland07:19
bhalerock!07:19
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sivangcool!07:20
sivangbhale: btw,  was I rquired to say which country I am from for the stats to work?07:20
bhaleyes07:20
stgraberyes, in the Preferences (top right block)07:21
bhalestgraber: ah nice you were already using lastfm07:21
stgraberbhale: yes, a little bit with Rhythmbox07:22
stgraberThe group top Artists looks great07:23
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sivangbhale: does it need anything special to play ?07:25
bhaleno07:25
sivangbhale: it's muted here for some reson07:25
bhalewell actually07:25
bhaleyou never played any songs, it doesnt know what to do :)07:25
bhaleit is based on your listening habits07:25
bhalefrom banshee or rhythmbox say07:25
sivanghmm, right07:25
sivangoh wawo , how does it know that?07:26
bhalewith a plugin07:26
sivangdo those apps keep a play history ?07:26
bhaleboth of them include it by default iirc07:26
bhalejust need to configure it with your account07:26
bhaleit posts each song to the web service07:26
bhaleafter you played it07:26
sivangi see07:26
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bhalethen it builds a history there07:26
bhaledecides similar users and artists etc07:26
sivangso it will play stuff on my hd already yes?07:26
bhalesome of it07:27
sivangI thought it would play stuff from the net07:27
bhalesome stuff your "neighbors" played07:27
bhaleyes from the net07:27
bhalebased on your listening habits...07:27
bhaleit will play things it thinks you will like07:27
sivangI see. How can I tell it I like blues/jazz etc?07:27
bhaleplay blues/jazz07:27
bhaleafter configuring RB07:27
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sivangtries07:28
=== outime I'm back in about 45 minutes
sivangplaying virgin classic rock,07:29
sivangqueen is on !07:29
sivangbhale: can't find in RB where to configure my account07:30
stgraberin the plugins07:30
stgraberEdit -> Plugins then you have a last.fm plugins07:30
sivangstgraber: yes, found it, already done07:31
sivangdo I need to restart RB for this to take effect?07:32
stgraberI don't think07:33
stgrabersivang: Did you try playing some songs with Rhythmbox ? I don't see any changes on your last.fm page ...07:37
shawarmasivang: You need to listen to at least half of the song, I think.07:37
shawarmasivang: Otherwise it doesn't count as listened.07:37
sivangshawarma, shawarma : yes, it's all working now07:37
sivangbhale: amazing thin07:38
shawarmaHow much bandwidth does it use?07:38
sivangbhale: how does it decide what I might lik e? :)07:38
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sivangI don't get it07:40
sivangI asked for stuff the sounds like "Pink Floyd" and it brought an amazingly similar song by the Cure07:40
sivanghow does it do that? :D07:40
stgrabersivang: It checks the others users that listened to the same sounds and give you the others they were listening to07:41
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stgraberit should be a little bit more complex I think but that's the idea07:41
sivangstgraber: so it look sthat someone else that looked for something similar to pink floyd, listened to the cure and then it give me it?07:41
shawarmasivang: Just like Amazon can guess which books you might like based on yours and every one else's choices of books.07:41
sivangshawarma: ah, so that relies on last.fm being already full of users with suggestions and preferences, otherwise this can't work07:42
shawarmasivang: If you have enough statisticla data you can start making VERY informed guesses.07:42
shawarmasivang: Exactly.07:42
LaserJockshawarma: did you see axiom go by?07:42
shawarmaLaserJock: No, I'm not subscribed to feisty-changes. Yet.07:43
bhalesivang: it finds people who listened to the same bands as you07:43
bhalesivang: then it sees what else they listened to07:43
shawarmaLaserJock: Yes, I see it. Excellent. Thanks!07:43
LaserJockshawarma: can you check to make sure it built ok Launchpad for me07:43
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shawarmaLaserJock: OMG! https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/280436 7 hours!07:44
sivang2006-12-02 15:32:53 UTC (7 hours 10 minutes)07:44
shawarmaLaserJock: i386 and amd64 made it in the expected 1 hour 50 minutes.07:44
sivangoh marry queen of soctts!07:44
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sivangbhale: where does it ifnd all the songs on the net?07:45
sivangbhale: it seems it can find *anything*07:45
sivangbhale: are there radio stations the allow you to request a specific song?07:46
sivang(track)07:46
stgraberIf any MOTU has a minute : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3576 it should be quite good, thx07:46
sivangbhale: does Mono have something like python-pexpect in the CLI ?07:47
sivangbhale: s/CLI/CLR/07:47
stgrabersivang: there is the "sounds like" thing but not a way to get a specific song (or I don't know it)07:47
sivangbhale: and in .NET on windows, for that matter07:47
sivangstgraber: so how does it ask for a specific song that is similar to what I have requested07:48
joejaxxanyone know the package that holds the broadcom driver?07:48
shawarmastgraber: There is no way to ask for specific songs.07:48
joejaxxnot the cutter package07:48
shawarmastgraber: They're not allowed to provide that.07:48
stgrabershawarma: seems logical :) It's not a download website :)07:49
shawarmaLaserJock: archive.ubuntu.com gives me 16 Kb/s so it takes a while to download. :-)07:49
shawarmaLaserJock: ...but the build logs look fine.07:49
LaserJockok07:50
sivangbhale: I'm thinking of contributing to Mono upstream, seems like the most prominent CLI project to contribute to, and seems that I will want to create Mono bindings for DAR rather then python ones, I regret not developing hubackup in C# already.07:50
shawarmaLaserJock: Ah, it's been synced to the Swedish mirror. I'll be done in no time then.07:50
sivangbhale: with the new UI and other changes, it's a pain refactoring the code in python07:50
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shawarmaLaserJock: It works like a charm!07:57
bhalesivang: DAR?07:57
bhalewhy is refactoring immediately easier in C# than python?07:57
bhalerefactoring is nice in MVC07:57
bhalewhich you could do in python just as well07:57
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sivangbhale: Well, indeed it is in MVC, and I08:06
sivangbhale: I'm already using MVC on the project, however, when changing the backend, some more type safety would help08:06
sivang(I'm dramatiacally changing the backend classes constructors)08:07
sivangbhale: would make the process of detecting errors easier and less painful due to the changes,08:07
sivangbhale: in the form of complier warnings/errors08:07
bhalenod08:07
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jorgpanyone know of a firefox 1.5 for edgy?08:30
LaserJockI don't08:31
Adri2000can I request a sync for the package sympa from debian experimental? experimental has a new upstream release08:32
Adri2000!info sympa08:32
ubotusympa: Modern mailing list manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.1.5-7 (edgy), package size 1149 kB, installed size 8064 kB08:32
LaserJockis there a particular reason to sync from experimental?08:33
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amnesiare08:33
Adri2000LaserJock: new upstream release: 4.x -> 5.x08:33
Adri2000unstable has still 4.x08:33
LaserJockok, but experimental generally means it's an "experimental" package08:34
LaserJockso unless there is a particular reason to get it I'd wait until 5.x made it to unstable08:34
ajmitchmorning08:34
LaserJockAdri2000: of course that's just my opinion though08:35
LaserJockyou could as a real pro like ajmitch 08:35
LaserJock;-)08:35
Adri2000LaserJock: I thought it didn't go in unstable because of the release of debian etch08:35
amnesiaajmitch: hi08:36
Adri2000hi ajmitch 08:36
LaserJocketch isn't unstable08:37
LaserJocketch is testing08:37
LaserJockI'm pretty sure it's only unstable -> testing that gets frozen08:37
LaserJockajmitch: do you know ^^?08:37
amnesiaajmitch: ping me when you have a little time plese08:37
LaserJockwow, he's getting all the attention :-)08:38
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amnesiayou had yours this week LaserJock :)08:39
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LaserJockamnesia: heh08:40
amnesiaajmitch: heh well instead I did something you could fix :)08:40
ajmitchLaserJock: it's still encouraged that stuff doesn't get randomly uploaded to sid, and so some of it lands in experimental08:40
ajmitchamnesia: unlikely08:40
LaserJockamnesia:  it's because all the competent people are busy08:40
amnesiaajmitch: yeah it is, your name stands on the wiki site08:40
amnesiaLaserJock:  :)08:40
LaserJockajmitch: right, but sid isn't frozen because of etch is it?08:40
ajmitchLaserJock: not hard frozen, but close enough08:41
amnesiaajmitch: so come back to me if you have some time, really :)08:41
LaserJockajmitch: ok, so does it make sense to sync from experimental?08:41
ajmitchonly in some cases08:42
ajmitchamnesia: you still haven't told me what08:42
Adri2000bug 7417708:42
UbugtuMalone bug 74177 in sympa "New versions available (5.2.3 instead of 4.1.5)" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7417708:42
amnesiaI broke the upload when uploading to revu, and now I can't upload, getting error 55308:43
amnesia-f doesn't help08:43
amnesiadput -f that is08:43
ajmitchpackage name?08:44
amnesiaircp-tray08:44
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amnesiaI probably shouldn't do a ctrl-c when uploading... :)08:44
ajmitchno, you shouldn't08:44
ajmitchcleaned08:44
amnesiathanks08:45
amnesiayay, first upload!08:46
amnesianow I should find 2 motus to review it right?08:46
plugwashafaict sid isn't frozen as such but uploading stuff there thats not intended for etch is strongly discouraged because it can make updating etch a lot more work if people do that08:47
jorgpamnesia, what did you upload?08:52
amnesiaircp-tray: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=361108:53
jorgpLaserJock, yes, lots of sid is frozen because of etch, like the toolchain for example08:53
LaserJockthat seems odd to me08:54
LaserJockoh, maybe it does08:54
LaserJockas sid would then become lenny08:54
jorgplike glibc sid still using 2.3.608:54
jorgpbecause of etch08:55
ajmitchand if people could upload whatever they wanted to sid still, it would make it awfully hard to pull in fixes for etch08:55
amnesiajorgp: my first package on the road to become a part of ubuntu, I think I could help a little08:55
jorgpits always been that way, I guess because of the migrate thing, dunno08:55
jorgpamnesia, that for feisty right?08:56
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amnesiajorgp:  no, edgy08:56
ajmitchit'll need to be for feisty08:56
amnesiajorgp: I have only edgies around08:56
amnesiaajmitch: hmm08:56
amnesiashould work though, not much deps08:56
ajmitchwe don't stick new stuff in edgy08:57
jorgpyou can build a feisty chroot using pbuilder08:57
amnesiajorgp: well I'll need to wait for my 16mbit DSL for that08:57
jorgpeven if you are using edgy08:57
amnesiamonday then08:57
amnesiawill come back to you, thanks!08:57
amnesiaI\m on the neighbor's unencrypted wlan atm :>08:58
jorgplook into pbuilder its a wonderful thing08:58
amnesianot too speedy08:58
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amnesiayeah that's what I've built it with08:59
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jorgphttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto?highlight=%28pbuilder%2909:00
jorgppretty good doc09:00
amnesiak thanks09:00
amnesiawill read that then, this connection is not good for much more..09:01
jorgpbasicly you want to do: sudo pbuilder create --distribution feisty09:02
amnesiayeah. that will overwrite the prev. edgy thing right?09:04
amnesianot that I'll need it as it seems09:04
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jorgpthat I am not sure09:05
jorgpgood topic in #ubuntu-classroom.. Ubuntu porting09:05
amnesiashit I forgot about the classes today. damn09:06
somerville32Just started09:06
amnesiathx09:06
cmpalmermediawiki shows an update for edgy, but some dependencies are unavailable. can somebody point me to what's going on?09:07
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LaserJockcmpalmer: well, is it just plain missing dependencies or wrong versions?09:17
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Simon80um, if I build a package in a faisty chroot, how am I suppoed to test that it won't eat babies when I run it?09:50
Simon80feisty*09:50
Simon80also, I'd like to remind everyone to review my package if possible... it's a game, fun!09:51
Simon80http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3608, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=360909:51
plugwashSimon80 install and run it inside the feisty chroot?09:51
Simon80plugwash: so then I would need for pbuilder to freeze and let me into the chroot when the build finishes09:52
plugwashi think pbuilder has a command "pbuilder login" which lets you get a shell inside the chroot09:53
mr_pouitSimon80: you can use pbuilder as a normal chroot, with "pbuilder login"09:53
mr_pouitoops ^^09:53
plugwashbut i don't bother with pbuilder myself09:53
Simon80yeah, it does... but then I have to build manually..09:53
Simon80I think09:53
Simon80is it a good idea to test on feisty before uploading then?09:53
Simon80hmm: If you want to participate in the current release cycle, you will want to have a FeistyFawn chroot.09:54
plugwashor even just run feisty on your desktop if you are daring ;)09:57
Simon80yeah, but I don't like doing that early on... things break09:57
amnesiabeing on topic, how do devs do the packagint? they have a feisty installed so they can package and install their packages?10:01
amnesiaor they just do with pbuilder and hope it works (as I do now)10:02
lifelesstest in chroots10:02
lifelesstest machines10:02
lifelessswitch to feisty10:02
lifelessusually some combination10:02
Simon80chroot as in pbuilder?10:03
amnesiak10:03
lifelessSimon80: no10:04
lifelesschroot as in a feisty chroot you routinely log into and run programs in, not the clean-room thing pbuilder maintains10:04
amnesiajorgp: I'm just doing the feisty package, could you check if for me then?10:04
amnesiagrr what's the sense to rename a package in feisty to have an added 0 at the end? edgy: libscrollkeeper, feisty: libscrollkeeper010:07
amnesiaI know it's a debian thing, could never understand why10:07
Simon80might have to do with compiler transitions... but it looks extremely kludgy to me10:10
cmpalmermediawiki shows an update for edgy, but some dependencies are unavailable (only shows older versions). can somebody point me to what's going on?10:12
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amnesiacmpalmer: you're right10:14
amnesiabut it's the backport I'm getting installed10:14
amnesia~edgy110:14
amnesiayou might wanna bugreport that10:14
amnesiato the mediawiki package10:14
plugwashyou do have both updates and backports in your sources right?10:14
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cmpalmererr10:15
amnesiaI do10:15
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=== plugwash imagines having backports without updates is asking for trouble
jdongcmpalmer: what dependencies are not available?10:15
cmpalmermediawiki1.7 and mediawiki1.7-math, it says10:16
jdongcmpalmer: aye, I see that right now10:16
jdonglet me investigate10:16
jdong*sigh* it worked a week ago....10:16
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cmpalmerthanks10:16
amnesiaI confirm it :>10:16
jdongpfft mediawiki is now a metapackage10:17
jdongand mediawiki1.7 is the real package10:17
amnesiawhich is not in10:17
jdongwhose genius idea is that?10:17
jdongwell, I'll fix that10:17
jdongnot like it's breaking anything per se10:17
jdong:)10:17
jdonglol10:17
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amnesiawhen pbuilder my package for feisty I'm getting:  checking for scrollkeeper-config... no10:18
amnesiaand it worked for edgy. it stinks, can someone lend a hand maybe?10:18
Simon80what command does one use to check what distribution they're on? uname won't do it..10:20
jdongcmpalmer: I just need to have mediawiki1.7 backported in addition to mediawiki.... no much harm done10:20
amnesiauname -a10:20
amnesiaoh10:20
mr_pouitSimon80: /etc/issue ?10:20
Simon80that's it10:20
Simon80thanks10:21
jdongSimon80: lsb_release -a is more correct :D10:21
Simon80jdong: how can it be "more" correct? plus, if the OS isn't ubuntu, that command isn't necessarily there10:22
jdongSimon80: /etc/issue is a user-editable file... it's what's presented at login. Most of my systems have it customized to the point that the ubuntu version is stripped out10:23
jdongSimon80: and that command is present on any LSB-compliant or lsb-wannabe distro10:23
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Simon80yeah, but I hoping for a general unix thing I could use10:23
jdongthere's no "generic" for a distro version checker10:23
jdonguname -a will show you the kernel versions10:24
Simon80indeed10:24
jdonglsb_release is actually probably the closest you'll get :-/10:24
jdongand /etc/*-release is pretty common too10:24
jdongoften times checking what distro you're on takes a bit of detective work10:24
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amnesiajorgp: ok feisty package uploaded10:28
Simon80feisty as in the changelog says feisty, right?10:28
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amnesia?10:29
amnesiaunstable10:29
Simon80oh10:30
Simon80why unstable?10:30
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amnesiaSimon80: what did you mean again? might have missunderstood it10:30
Simon80I mean the dist thing in the changelog next to the version10:31
amnesiain my package it's "unstable"10:31
amnesianot sure who gets to change that, I'm new to packaging10:31
jdongamnesia: a text editor gets to change that :)10:32
Simon80ajmitch told me that it should be feisty, so I did that10:33
amnesiajdong: yeah but dh_make created that file so...10:33
Simon80lol10:33
amnesiaSimon80: ok thanks, will do that then10:33
amnesiaI kinda believe ajmitch :>10:33
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jdonghe's a good one to believe10:33
jdongspeaking of that10:33
Simon80https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-debhelper.html10:33
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jdongnot like it honestly matters :D10:34
amnesianot like I know what you did ;)10:34
amnesiaSimon80: I know that page, did I miss something?10:34
amnesiaah there, I see10:35
amnesiastrange that I got "unstable" generated10:35
Simon80yeah, that's cause these are debian tools10:36
Simon80https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/gs-pbuilder.html10:36
Simon80why are there two pbuilder guides???? lol10:37
cmpalmerjdong: so, in case I missed it... when can I expect to see mediawiki1.7 in the repo?10:37
elektranoxcould somebody here re-sync the REVU uploaders keyring?10:38
jdongcmpalmer: I reopened the ubuntu-archive ticket for mediawiki.... the next time ubuntu-archive processes it is when it'll work in the repo10:38
jdongcmpalmer: I tried poking an archive admin a second ago to just do it, but he refused, so... :)10:38
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cmpalmerjdong: thanks. :)10:39
ademanhey i'm goin NUTS on this eclipse-cdt, is it reasonable for me to mess with debian/rules?10:42
ademani mean i haven't yet, but would it be a mortal sin if i did?10:42
ademanand i wanna get this friggin thing packaged10:42
Simon80what's the situation here?10:43
Simon80cause if you're packaging from scratch, you would need to edit debian/rules, it's basically a makefile10:44
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ademanSimon80: its the eclipse-cdt it's an existing package that depends on the eclipse package.  Unfortunately the new version of the eclipse package doesn't work with the current version of the eclipse-cdt, so i need to package an upstream update10:51
amnesiabattery running low, g'night10:53
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Simon80ah11:09
Simon80well, if things have changed and debian/rules needs updating, then have at it I guess... I wouldn't know though11:09
geseris ok to change debian/rules if it is necessary11:11
gesere.g. some packages have patches to install .desktop files which needs to modify debian/rules11:11
geserI already needed to update the debian/rules file in two packages to get it build11:12
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rmjbhello, any MOTU here and have time to REVU a package?11:21
Simon80yes, please, we need review!11:26
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elektranox"Next, ask the REVU admins in #ubuntu-motu or at  keyring@tiber.tauware.de to re-sync the REVU uploaders keyring, which grants you upload rights to REVU."can somebody of you do so? btw.: why is this not done automatically :/11:29
Simon80probably cause launchpad doesn't automatically do it when yuo add yourself to universe contributors11:30
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lifelesswhy is it not cronned ?11:32
Simon80that's not a cron kind of thing11:32
Simon80well, I guess taht would be a workaround11:32
Simon80but I mean, you want to do it whenever someone adds themselves to universe contributors11:33
lifelessrigh11:35
lifelessbut just doing it hourly11:35
lifelessshrug11:35
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elektranoxwould dput return an error if my key is not in the list? is the package list updated by cron or automatically?11:40
mr_pouitevery 5 minutes11:42
Simon80if your key is in the list, the package should show up pretty quickly11:53
Simon80I just did this for the first time yesterday night11:53
minghuamr_pouit: are you sure it's done automatically?  last time I heard, it needs manually sync by REVU admins11:56
jdongmr_pouit: my key had to be manually synced11:58
mr_pouitminghua: I think new uploaded sources are processed every 5 minutes, but new gpg keys have to be added manually11:58
mr_pouityes11:58
jdongand the REVU deities didn't appreciate my hasty uploading :)11:58
mr_pouitI think everyone uploaded its first package before having its key added ^^11:59
Simon80lol11:59
Simon80I did11:59
theCoreI don't know which VCS to use between subversion and bzr for managing my packages. Any recommendations?11:59
jdongI suggest bzr12:00
jdongI've recently switched most of my svn repos to bzr12:00
jdongsvn's server-side IMO is not worth the effort for most projects12:00
jdongand bzr's branching abilities really do come in handy a lot12:00
theCoreI was thinking creating a local svn repos, so the server-side thing isn't a problem for me12:01
theCorejdong, what do you use for building the packages?12:02
minghuamr_pouit: yes.  and I believe elektranox was asking about the gpg key list (although I admit he was quite unclear)12:02
theCorebzr builddeb?12:02
theCoreor just pbuilder?12:02
jdongtheCore: pbuilder mostly12:02
jdongtheCore: most of my building is in the context of backporting, in which case I use prevu12:03
jdong(which is a fancy wrapper around pbuilder for backporting work)12:03
theCorejdong, oh, ok thanks12:03
mr_pouitminghua: yes you're right, but he said "package list", so I thought he was speaking about something else 12:04
mr_pouit^^"12:04
elektranoxI meant this list: http://revu.tauware.de/index.py12:04
elektranox:S12:05
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Simon80there's a gpg key list?12:05
minghuaA uploader list, more precisely.  See topic.12:06
minghuaelektranox: that list is updated automatically.  but if your gpg key is not synced by admins, you can't upload, and your package won't show up there12:06
theCoreThere's another thing I am having trouble with: the directory hierarchy. Is there someone that would be nice enough to show me a "template", or a `ls -R' of their packaging environment?12:07
Simon80but is there a list you can check?12:07
elektranoxthere are no admins online, are they?12:08
minghuaSimon80: yes, in the channel topic12:10
minghuatheCore: no idea about bazaar, but in my SVN repo I just use the most common trunk/, branches/, and tags/ layout12:10
Simon80minghua, that's the launchpad list, but I mean, a revu list to check if your key is synced12:11
jdongSimon80: packaging layout for bzr-maintained packages?12:11
Simon80?12:12
jdongSimon80: sorry wrong person12:12
Simon80lol12:12
jdongugh12:12
jdongI give up for today :)12:12
jdongtime to take a break and work more on my radar detector code12:12
minghuaSimon80: oh, the synced list.  no, it's not visible to public AFAIK12:12

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