[12:13] <joejaxx> and ubuntu is installed and i cannot boot it LOL!
[12:13] <joejaxx> well time to put mac os back on here
[12:13] <superm1> Fujitsu, do you have a min for another revu?
[12:14] <Fujitsu> superm1: Depends what it is.
[12:14] <hub> joejaxx: you can boot using openfirmware
[12:15] <shawarma> LaserJock: Are you up for it?
[12:15] <hub> even on old world
[12:15] <hub> I do it
[12:15] <hub> without using bootx
[12:15] <joejaxx> hub: what do you mean?
[12:15] <superm1> Fujitsu, its just this ivtv-firmware installer that was talked about a month ago.  derived from flashplugin-nonfree
[12:15] <superm1> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3396
[12:15] <hub> gotta go now
[12:15] <joejaxx> ok
[12:16] <shawarma> LaserJock: I can throw the build logs from an amd64 and an i386 pbuilder your way so that you can see that it builds.
[12:18] <LaserJock> shawarma: could you just email me?
[12:19] <shawarma> LaserJock: The patch? 
[12:21] <shawarma> LaserJock: I'm not even sure I've got your e-mail.
[12:28] <Adri2000> crimsun: the only ubuntu change in oo2c "Added amd64 to the list of 64bit archs in debian/rules" and it seems to be this line (from debian): "ifneq (,$(filter $(DEB_HOST_ARCH),alpha amd64 ia64 sparc64 s390x ppc64))", amd64 is here
[12:46] <mr_pouit> could a motu sponsor an upload to -proposed ? (Bug 72052, ACKd my 2 motu ;)
[12:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72052 in pouetchess "MOTU SRU proposal" [High,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/72052
[01:00] <Adri2000> Fujitsu: built fine?
[01:22] <fernando> hi all
[01:24] <CypherBIOS> fernando: hi
[01:42] <shawarma> What does it mean if a merge is marked red on merges.ubuntu.com ?
[01:44] <Burgwork> shawarma: in the updated merges section?
[01:45] <shawarma> Burgwork: No, "outstanding merges".
[01:45] <shawarma> Burgwork: The top one.
[01:46] <Burgwork> new upstream version, judging from the evidence
[01:46] <ajmitch> not necessarily
[01:46] <ajmitch> I think it's to do with the priority
[01:47] <Burgwork> ajmitch: looking at the colours in the main and universe sections, they are only coloured red when there is a new upstream version
[01:47] <shawarma> It's just wierd that that's the only red one.
[01:47] <ajmitch> and there are numerous other packages with new upstream versions that are green
[01:47] <Burgwork> ajmitch: ah, you are right, as per usual
[01:47] <shawarma> ...on the universe merges anyway.
[01:48] <Burgwork> I drew incorrect conclusions due to lack of consideration to the entire data set
[01:49] <PriceChild> #2
[01:51] <geser> what's the difference between "Outstanding Merges" and "Updated Merges"?
[01:51] <tenshu> hey i think launchpad is wrong : Feisty (Frozen)
[01:51] <Burgwork> tenshu: nope, it is frozen for Herd 1 release
[01:52] <tenshu> ok
[01:55] <shawarma> geser: I think updated merges is stuff that's already been merged once in this release cycle.
[01:56] <geser> that would make sense
[02:05] <joejaxx> \o/
[02:05] <joejaxx> _o/
[02:05] <joejaxx> \o_
[02:05] <joejaxx> _o_
[02:06] <joejaxx> \o/
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[02:13] <joejaxx> what is everyone up to?
[02:13] <somerville32> Working on stuff :)
[02:13] <joejaxx> :)
[02:14] <joejaxx> yeah me too
[02:14] <joejaxx> i am installing ubuntu on an old world mac
[02:14] <joejaxx> seems that only breezy works
[02:14] <joejaxx> so i will have to upgrade from that
[02:15] <somerville32> :] 
[02:15] <joejaxx> somerville32: yeah i just have to start over from 5 hours of work on it
[02:15] <joejaxx> to wipe the drive and format as hfs and not hfs+
[02:16] <somerville32> Sounds like a good time, haha
[02:16] <somerville32> :] 
[02:16] <joejaxx> lol
[02:16] <joejaxx> :)
[02:21] <joejaxx> vyoman: you might want to disable that
[02:22] <joejaxx> lol
[02:27] <joejaxx> its LaserJock ! :D
[02:28] <joejaxx> LaserJock: i had to wipe the whole drive
[02:28] <joejaxx> and reformat it as hfs and not hfs+
[02:28] <LaserJock> heh, I'm wiping my drive right now too
[02:28] <LaserJock> lot of that going on lately ;-)
[02:29] <joejaxx> :)
[02:29] <joejaxx> uh oh
[02:29] <joejaxx> hold bbl
[02:46] <joejaxx> ok i am back
[02:52] <LaserJock> wow, what a week
[02:53] <LaserJock> my Ubuntu hard drive just died on my home desktop
[02:53] <LaserJock> I'm not sure if I should us another computer ever again
[02:53] <LaserJock> :-)
[02:54] <Burgwork> LaserJock: you are having all the luck
[02:54] <LaserJock> not just me though
[02:54] <LaserJock> seems like lots of people in the last few days have had drives dying, etc.
[02:55] <LaserJock> to bad about this drive though, 120GB and I never used more then 40GB
[02:55] <LaserJock> what a waste
[02:59] <jdong> the fun just don't stop
[03:02] <LaserJock> hmm, so now I need to fix my MBR
[03:02] <LaserJock> can I do that via the live cd?
[03:02] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Yes.
[03:02] <LaserJock> Burgwork: well, it died while I was trying to install Fedora Core 6 so I guess I deserved it
[03:03] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: I was going to tell you how, but I changed my mind after your last sentence.
[03:03] <LaserJock> bah
[03:03] <LaserJock> it didn't *work*
[03:03] <LaserJock> so I don't think you should hold it against me
[03:04] <jdong> LOL
[03:04] <jdong> the fun just don't stop
[03:04] <LaserJock>  fdisk /mbr ?
[03:04] <jdong> that's MS-DOS and 98, buddy
[03:04] <jdong> reinstall grub to your MBR
[03:04] <jdong> (and I hope you aren't using dos or 98... lol)
[03:04] <jdong> root (hdA,B)
[03:04] <shawarma> Hmm... has anyone looked at the carpaltunnel merge?
[03:05] <jdong> setup (hdA)
[03:05] <LaserJock> jdong: but do I need grub if it's just Windows?
[03:05] <jdong> oh nvm
[03:05] <jdong> what version of Windows
[03:05] <LaserJock> XP
[03:05] <jdong> you need to boot into recovery console
[03:05] <jdong> once you get a command prompt do a fixmbr C:
[03:05] <jdong> and a fixboot C: just to be safe
[03:05] <jdong> and you're set
[03:06] <LaserJock> how do I boot into recovery console though?
[03:06] <jdong> windows XP CD
[03:06] <LaserJock> like I have one
[03:06] <LaserJock> stupid HP
[03:06] <jdong> press 'r' when it presents you with the install options
[03:06] <jdong> well
[03:06] <jdong> err
[03:06] <LaserJock> hmm, let me see, I might have a recovery disk
[03:06] <jdong> *sigh*
[03:06] <jdong> actually
[03:06] <jdong> you can use mbr
[03:06] <jdong> (the debian/ubuntu package)
[03:06] <jdong> boot onto a deb/buntu livecd
[03:07] <jdong> and install mbr from universe
[03:07] <jdong> and man installmbr
[03:07] <Fujitsu> shawarma: It's mine, and isn't a merge.
[03:07] <shawarma> Fujitsu: No, that's what I thought.
[03:07] <jdong> sheesh -motu has been becoming I-borked-my-windows-please-help-me land :D
[03:07] <shawarma> Fujitsu: Can you perhaps explain why there's even an Ubuntu revison at all?
[03:08] <shawarma> Fujitsu: debdiff tells me that the only difference between 0.0.9ubuntu2 and 0.0.9-0.1 is a changelog entry.
[03:08] <shawarma> Fujitsu: Which seems quite superfluous.
[03:09] <Fujitsu> shawarma: There were Ubuntu changes in the distant past, which were 0.0.9ubuntu1, or something like that. Debian had an NMU, making it 0.0.9-0.1. 0.0.9ubuntu1 > 0.0.9-0.1, so 0.0.9ubuntu2 is in fact a fake sync of 0.0.9-0.1.
[03:09] <shawarma> Fujitsu: Oh, that *almost* makes sense. :-)
[03:09] <shawarma> Fujitsu: I'll leave that one alone.
[03:10] <Fujitsu> There are a couple of other similar ones of mine there.
[03:10] <shawarma> Fujitsu: Ok. I just didn't recognize your real name. I skip all the merges with familiar names on them.
[03:11] <LaserJock> jdong: sorry for the support questions
[03:11] <LaserJock> ;-)
[03:11] <shawarma> Fujitsu: I just take the ones with names on them I don't recognize and hence don't expect to do the merges. Apparantly someone has done most of mine already. :-)
[03:11] <jdong> LaserJock: naw, it still brings back half-pleasant memories of my old nerdier self :)
[03:11] <LaserJock> I found my recovery CDs but the won't work because I changed the motherboard and they say I don't have an HP computer anymore
[03:12] <LaserJock> man I love MS >:(
[03:12] <jdong> LaserJock: just use installmbr like I said :)
[03:12] <LaserJock> yeah, thanks for that
[03:12] <LaserJock> Ubuntu to the rescue
[03:12] <jdong> because the other alternative would be burning a mountain of setup diskettes
[03:12] <jdong> and I'd rather spare you that excitement
[03:12] <LaserJock> btw, turns out the annoying "dying fan" sound was really a "dying hard drive" sound
[03:13] <LaserJock> yeah, I've done that method before
[03:13] <LaserJock> I don't even have a floppy drive to write them too
[03:13] <jdong> LaserJock: yeah, ain't that lovely... especially on modern SATA systems with no floppy drives
[03:13] <crimsun> bug 74109
[03:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74109 in firefox "?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74109
[03:14] <crimsun> what the crud kind of title is that?
[03:14] <ajmitch> one that needs a pony
[03:14] <jdong> crimsun: an empty question to foreshadow an empty bug report?
[03:14] <shawarma> crimsun: The same kind as the actual description.
[03:14] <ajmitch> crimsun: it mentions automatix, it must be rejected
[03:14] <jdong> automatix no estas supporto officialo
[03:15] <jdong> there we go, closed rejected, done :D
[03:15] <shawarma> suportado
[03:15] <shawarma> officialmente
[03:15] <jdong> close enough
[03:15] <shawarma> supongo. :-)
[03:15] <jdong> I can make wise cracks to the taco bell employees fine... my spanish is competent :D
[03:17] <shawarma> crimsun: I took the liberty of responding.
[03:18] <jdong> pfft I liked my response better :)
[03:18] <jdong> por more cracko aussi essayez EasyUbuntu ou LinuxMint
[03:19] <shawarma> Totally.
[03:20] <crimsun> Adri2000: it makes sense to discard the delta by merging, then readding if necessary. MoM didn't have fun with that one, thus necessitating a sync.
[03:20] <ajmitch> jdong: how many languages id you mix into that sentence?
[03:20] <shawarma> ajmitch: *Way* too many.
[03:20] <jdong> ajmitch: I don't know :D
[03:21] <jdong> foreign languages weren't my forte.....
[03:21] <shawarma> jdong: You lost me at "aussi essayez".
[03:21] <ajmitch> I can tell :)
[03:21] <ajmitch> I think that was meant to be french
[03:21] <Toadstool> heya everybody!
[03:21] <ajmitch> hey Toadstool 
[03:21] <Toadstool> hi ajmitch 
[03:21] <jdong> pfft ajmitch honestly I have no idea what language(s) that was :D
[03:21] <shawarma> ajmitch: Yes, that's the only thing I could guess. What it actually meant was beyond me.
[03:22] <ajmitch> "for more crack try easyubuntu or linux mint"
[03:22] <shawarma> jdong: *G* Ja, jeg kunne ogs bare tale dansk. Det ville da gre forvirringen total.
[03:24] <jdong> sharms: raise local.Error, "No comprende...."
[03:24] <jdong> shawarma ^^
[03:24] <jdong> but seriously back to work
[03:24] <shawarma> jdong: Indeed.
[03:24] <Toadstool> uhuh, got to go :/ this was my 5 "i'm not dead, what's going on in the MOTU world" minutes..
[03:25] <ajmitch> ah, good to still see you round, Toadstool 
[03:25] <Toadstool> :)
[03:26] <Toadstool> if anyone wants to take care of my pending merges/syncs, I don't think I will have time to do that in the next two weeks :(
[03:26] <ajmitch> alright, will look after them
[03:26] <ajmitch> I didn't see many of yours on the list
[03:26] <Toadstool> thanks a lot
[03:26] <Toadstool> hmm gnomebaker maybe ?
[03:27] <jdong> Fujitsu: whatever happened to azureus :D
[03:27] <ajmitch> that, usbmount & mini-dinstall
[03:28] <Toadstool> last time i checked usbmount & mini-dinstall were ok, just a NMU version issue
[03:28] <Toadstool> anyway, see you everybody
[03:31] <Fujitsu> jdong: A good question... I've been busy with work lately, and with another SRU or two. I'll aim to get it uploaded to dapper-proposed this afternoon.
[03:31] <shawarma> Is there a deadline in two weeks I haven't noticed?
[03:31] <Fujitsu> shawarma: No.
[03:31] <shawarma> Fujitsu: Ok. didn't think so.
[03:33] <jdong> Fujitsu: ah, ok, just checking, making sure you didn't forget
[03:45] <shawarma> I need a sponsor for a merge: http://www.linux2go.dk/feisty-merges/courier-authlib-merge.patch   Build logs can be found here: http://www.linux2go.dk/feisty-merges/courier-authlib
[03:46] <crimsun> are you filing bugs against the source package then subscribing ubuntu-universe-sponsors?
[03:46] <crimsun> that would be preferable (and is generally more reliable)
[03:46] <shawarma> crimsun: Oh, ok.
[03:46] <shawarma> crimsun: I'll do that then.
[03:46] <crimsun> ok, no need to do it for this one (courier-authlib)
[03:47] <shawarma> crimsun: Ok. Thanks.
[03:48] <shawarma> crimsun: Is there anything in particular I should put in the merge bug reports?
[03:49] <crimsun> yes, please follow the merge policy: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-August/000182.html
[03:51] <shawarma> crimsun: I've been putting that in the changelog from the very beginning. Should I just put the changelog entry in the bug report and attach a debdiff.
[03:51] <shawarma> ?
[03:51] <crimsun> just attaching a debdiff will suffice
[03:52] <shawarma> crimsun: ..so nothing in particular in the bug report? That's just fine.
[03:53] <crimsun> as long as you['ve]  [been]  attach[ing]  the necessary info, that's fine
[03:54] <shawarma> *G* Ok.
[03:55] <shawarma> Does anyone know who Laurent Bigonville is?
[03:56] <shawarma> He did the last merge of fam and I've got a question..
[04:01] <shawarma> Oh dear
[04:01] <joejaxx> hey i have a funny question
[04:01] <joejaxx> :)
[04:02] <joejaxx> i have to upgrade to dapper then to edgy correct? from breezy?
[04:02] <shawarma> It's 4AM here. I've got funny answers.
[04:02] <joejaxx> shawarma: lol!
[04:02] <shawarma> joejaxx: Yes. That's the supported upgrade path.
[04:02] <joejaxx> ah ok
[04:02] <joejaxx> that should be interesting on this 233MHz powerbook
[04:02] <shawarma> joejaxx: It might work directly to edgy, but it's not been thoroughly tested.
[04:03] <joejaxx> yeah i do not want to try it
[04:03] <joejaxx> lol
[04:03] <shawarma> joejaxx: Yes. You should find something else to do while it does its magic.
[04:03] <joejaxx> it already took forerver to get breezy on this old world mac
[04:03] <joejaxx> shawarma: yeap :)
[04:03] <shawarma> joejaxx: Upgrading hasn't got any snappier since then.
[04:03] <joejaxx> :)
[04:04] <joejaxx> i whould be upgrading off the cd
[04:04] <joejaxx> since it does not have an airport card
[04:04] <joejaxx> and the card it does have is the fun broadcom haha
[04:05] <joejaxx> wow
[04:05] <joejaxx> breezy
[04:05] <joejaxx> LOL!
[04:05] <shawarma> joejaxx: Swell.. All you need is an nVidia graphics card that's not supported by the free driver.
[04:05] <joejaxx> shawarma: haha :P
[04:05] <joejaxx> i think this is an ati something
[04:06] <shawarma> joejaxx: Even worse.
[04:06] <joejaxx> ATI Rage LT Pro
[04:06] <jdong> hey at least that works very well with the radeon and ati drivers
[04:06] <jdong> and besides, there's good news....
[04:06] <joejaxx> yeah
[04:06] <jdong> I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance
[04:07] <joejaxx> LOL!
[04:07] <joejaxx> wait
[04:07] <joejaxx> why is this thing saying a new kernel was installed
[04:07] <joejaxx> ?
[04:08] <joejaxx> this is a fresh install
[04:11] <joejaxx> lol
[04:11] <shawarma> joejaxx: I don't know how it works on a mac, but on i386 I think it starts out with -386 but upgrades to -686 at some point.
[04:12] <joejaxx> oh
[04:12] <shawarma> joejaxx: Maybe it's something along those lines.
[04:12] <joejaxx> well i am glad i copied over the new kernel then lol
[04:12] <joejaxx> i am booting Ubuntu from os9
[04:14] <shawarma> joejaxx: sounds exotic.
[04:14] <joejaxx> yeah lol
[04:17] <joejaxx> hmmm
[04:18] <joejaxx> shawarma: the powerbook boots up into os9 then i run a program called bootx which runs the linux kernel
[04:18] <crimsun> yay, the "zomgeatthesourceuploadboog" rears its head again
[04:19] <joejaxx> crimsun: lol!
[04:19] <joejaxx> crimsun: are you having fun?
[04:20] <shawarma> crimsun: huh?
[04:22] <crimsun> shawarma: every once in a while, the upload processor errors out attempting to find a signature on my source.changes
[04:22] <crimsun> I uploaded courier-authlib_0.58-5ubuntu1_source.changes at 9:57 PM localtime and noticed that I didn't receive an ACCEPT
[04:23] <crimsun> having experienced this bug for a couple Ubuntu release cycles now, I had a good idea it was the same bug and just punted it back at upload.uc
[04:23] <crimsun> voila, received an ACCEPT 3 minutes ago
[04:23] <shawarma> crimsun: Oh, ok. I thought I messed up somehow.
[04:24] <shawarma> What you say? It's not all about me?
[04:24] <shawarma> Oh, well.
[04:25] <joejaxx> lol
[04:25] <joejaxx> shawarma: :)
[04:29] <LaserJock> darn I can't get install-mbr to work
[04:31] <joejaxx> hmm
[04:32] <shawarma> LaserJock:  Maybe you just need to put the you-know-what you-know-where if you catch my drift..
[04:32] <LaserJock> maybe I'll just buy a seagate from newegg and not use my computer until it arrives
[04:32] <LaserJock> shawarma: heh
[04:32] <shawarma> LaserJock: Or maybe I just need to get some sleep.
[04:33] <shawarma> LaserJock: either way works for me.
[04:33] <LaserJock> shawarma: what time is it there?
[04:33] <shawarma> LaserJock: irssi says 4:33. That looks about accurate.
[04:34] <shawarma> LaserJock: am, of course.
[04:35] <LaserJock> shesh
[04:35] <LaserJock> no wonder you're a little nutty
[04:35] <LaserJock> ;-)
[04:40] <joejaxx> bahumbug
[04:40] <joejaxx> breezy is not upgrading from the cd
[04:40] <shawarma> I think I'll go to bed before I embarass myself any further.
[04:40] <joejaxx> lol
[04:41] <joejaxx> Goodnight shawarma :)
[04:42] <shawarma> goodnight, guys. I'm on a wild merging spree now, so I'll be back tomorrow. See you all then.
[04:42] <joejaxx> LaserJock: whould packages being keep back stop breezy from upgraidng?
[04:42] <joejaxx> Goodnight shawarma 
[04:42] <joejaxx> upgrading*
[04:43] <LaserJock> shawarma: cya
[04:43] <LaserJock> joejaxx: how do you mean?
[04:43] <joejaxx> well i did sudo apt-cdrom add
[04:43] <joejaxx> and sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:44] <joejaxx> and it just says cpp and cpp-4.0 are going to be held back
[04:45] <shawarma> joejaxx: try apt-get install cpp-4.0 and see what happens. Mostly that explains why it wanted to hold them back in the first place.
[04:45] <joejaxx> it has unmet dependencies
[04:46] <LaserJock> so what happens when you dist-upgrade
[04:46] <joejaxx> it says those packages are being held back
[04:47] <joejaxx> cpp and cpp-4.0
[04:47] <crimsun> shawarma: please, please, please don't _ever_ assign to ubuntu-archive
[04:47] <crimsun> shawarma: they will shoot you in the face.
[04:48] <joejaxx> hmmmm
[04:52] <LaserJock> crimsun: yeah, the do seem to get weirded out when you do that ;-)
[04:53] <LaserJock> *they
[05:12] <LaserJock> crimsun: umm, so should I unassign ubuntu-archive from shawarma's bugs?
[05:12] <LaserJock> or can I even?
[05:19] <jdong> shawarma: yeah I got a yelling about that too :D
[05:58] <LaserJock> jdong: geeze, I just got my mbr fixed
[05:58] <jdong> LaserJock: whew, that took a while!
[05:58] <LaserJock> well, took a break here and there
[05:58] <jorgp> nice work LaserJock 
[05:59] <LaserJock> but install-mbr didn't work
[05:59] <LaserJock> but I was able to is it to put the mbr on a floppy disk
[05:59] <LaserJock> which got me to Windows
[05:59] <LaserJock> then I spent a while searching around for what exactly I needed
[05:59] <LaserJock> turned out a windows 98 boot disk worked fine
[06:00] <jorgp> LaserJock, have you tried to create a grub boot floppy?
[06:00] <LaserJock> well, I didn't want grub right now
[06:00] <jdong> jorgp: it's a pure windows box
[06:00] <jdong> no grub
[06:00] <jdong> and installing grub on ntfs is less than fun
[06:00] <jdong> though feasible
[06:00] <LaserJock> my linux drive died and left a messed up grub
[06:01] <LaserJock> so the easiest way to still use the computer until a new drive arrives is to fix the mbr and used the dreaded Windows XP
[06:01] <orphean> you can setup NTLOADER to boot into linux if grub worries you
[06:02] <LaserJock> I sure wish that when you bought a computer they actually gave you a Windows XP CD
[06:02] <LaserJock> orphean: nah, it's just temporary until my new disk gets here
[06:02] <LaserJock> I spotted a 160GB Barracuda on newegg for $56.99
[06:03] <jdong> orphean: yeah, that's what I used to do
[06:03] <jdong> orphean: mainly because once in a while windows would find the compelling need to reassert its dominance over the mbr....
[06:03] <orphean> haha :)
[06:04] <LaserJock> so I thought I had 2 fans dying
[06:05] <LaserJock> turns out 1 was a hard drive, and the other is the fan on my nvidia card
[06:08] <jorgp> ah, I thought that is was a duel boot disk
[06:08] <LaserJock> heh, it *was*
[06:09] <LaserJock> until I went to wipe the disk today to do a fresh install and it just started throwing IO errors
[06:10] <jdong> jorgp: is that what happens when you put RMS with a disk with nvidia.ko on it?
[06:10] <jorgp> no idea, dont have an nvidia card
[06:10] <LaserJock> hehe
[06:10] <orphean> RMS has a dagger that's +9 against nvidia.ko
[06:12] <DarkMageZ> orphean, don't forget it has +8 against fglrx.ko :)
[06:13] <orphean> hehe and RMS rolls 20s ;)
[06:14] <LaserJock> so why does nvidia get +9 and fglrx +*8 ?
[06:15] <orphean> ESR ninjaed the +9
[06:16] <jdong> it's easier to do damage against AIGLX?
[06:16] <LaserJock> hmm, so I noticed some interesting blog behavior
[06:17] <jdong> like jono seems to trump everyone else's post order?
[06:17] <LaserJock> I was looking at the planets for fedora, opensuse, and ubuntu
[06:17] <LaserJock> and the only one tied to the US (fedora) has the most non-English posts
[06:18] <joejaxx> LaserJock: do you know what package holds the drivers for broadcom?
[06:19] <LaserJock> no
[06:20] <joejaxx> oh ok
[06:20] <joejaxx> because i am going to need it for this breezy install
[06:22] <joejaxx> because it makes no sense to install ndiswrapper when i am upgrading to dapper
[06:23] <LaserJock> dude, I have no idea what you're doing
[06:23] <jorgp> i have an very old ati radeon card
[06:24] <joejaxx> LaserJock: i want to upgrade from breezy to dapper
[06:24] <LaserJock> geeze, you have something running breezy? ;-)
[06:25] <LaserJock> I haven't run breezy in about a year
[06:25] <joejaxx> LaserJock: yeah
[06:25] <joejaxx> only breezy runs on oldworlds
[06:25] <LaserJock> interesting
[06:28] <joejaxx> so i need the broadcom drivers
[06:28] <jorgp> either one of you having any issues with edgy?
[06:28] <joejaxx> jorgp: of course :)
[06:29] <LaserJock> no
[06:29] <jorgp> i have had firefox crash 2 times already
[06:29] <jorgp> today
[06:29] <joejaxx> :)
[06:30] <jorgp> on my gentoo machine, that is why I switched it back to ff 1.5
[06:41] <jorgp> i've been seriously been thinging about forward porting ff 1.5 from dapper
[06:55] <joejaxx> if i change the version of a package to lets say from 9.3-1 to 9.3-1ubuntu1
[06:55] <joejaxx> should i change the source folder label as well?
[06:55] <joejaxx> from 9.3-1?
[08:09] <lifeless> joejaxx: no
[08:21] <minghua> good evening
[08:22] <somerville32> :] 
[08:22] <somerville32> Evening
[08:38] <sladen> joejaxx: no.  the source folder is the number of the *upstream* package
[08:38] <sladen> joejaxx: so, 9.3
[08:39] <sladen> joejaxx: -1 is the debian version 
[08:39] <sladen> joejaxx: ubuntu1 is the ubuntu version
[09:34] <Simon80> grrr... I'm confused about revu
[09:37] <crimsun> ?
[09:38] <Simon80> I did a proper dput yesterday, but I hadn't asked to get on the revu keyring... and now I'm trying to upload the same package version, only I've unbroken something, so I do want to upload... and it's giving me the old Error 553 Could not create file
[09:38] <Simon80> but just now I also did a dput *changes, without the revu in place
[09:38] <Simon80> so I'm not sure which of the 2 uploads is giving me grief
[09:38] <crimsun> are you in the universe contributors list now with the keyring synced?
[09:39] <Simon80> hmm
[09:39] <crimsun> (an admin will need to verify and remove your upload if necessary)
[09:39] <ajmitch> knowing what the upload is would help
[09:39] <Simon80> how can I check that it's synced properly
[09:39] <Simon80> oh, yeah, stepmania, stepmania-data
[09:40] <ajmitch> upload source-only debs, please
[09:40] <Simon80> yeah, that was a mistake too?
[09:40] <ajmitch> quite
[09:40] <ajmitch> it doesn't clean up after binary uploads still
[09:40] <Simon80> well, I was already on top of that
[09:40] <ajmitch> so further uploads, even of a source-only package, will break
[09:40] <Simon80> I mean, like, my next upload was gonna be source
[09:40] <Simon80> ah, ok
[09:40] <ajmitch> I've removed them all
[09:41] <Simon80> I'm in the list on launchpad, but I have no idea about revu... I did send a message today to the proper address, and got a response, so I should be on the keyring
[09:41] <ajmitch> yes, I saw that
[09:41] <Simon80> where? the email?
[09:41] <ajmitch> yes
[09:42] <Simon80> the reason I uploaded a binary, by the way, is cause pbuilder outputs only the i386 changes file, damn thing, lol
[09:42] <ajmitch> then don't upload that
[09:42] <ajmitch> upload the source.changes
[09:42] <Simon80> yep, I've learned my lesson
[09:42] <Simon80> I run debuild -S -sa
[09:46] <crimsun> nice, I'm getting support requests from individuals about all sorts of issues
[09:47] <ajmitch> lucky you
[09:47] <ajmitch> I never seem to get any of those
[09:47] <ajmitch> nor do I get any of the mentoring requests that laserjock does
[09:47] <Simon80> so um, one of my package uploads showed up, the other one didn't
[09:48] <ajmitch> no, they're both listed
[09:48] <Simon80> stepmania is there, stepmania-data seems not to be
[09:48] <Simon80> oh
[09:48] <Simon80> there we go
[09:49] <Simon80> err, should I be targetting feisty instead of edgy?
[09:50] <Simon80> and with regards to http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/stepmania-0612020340/linda
[09:50] <Simon80> should I just get rid of that then?
[09:50] <Simon80> in my changelog?
[09:50] <Simon80> I have a few cvs versions, then I downgraded to 3.9 for this upload
[09:56] <sivang> hi my fellow motus
[09:57] <ajmitch> Simon80: yes, it probably would be a good idea to
[09:57] <ajmitch> hello sivang 
[09:57] <sivang> hi ajmitch , how you been doing? has lady luck been kind to you lately? :)
[09:58] <Simon80> what about the dist, is doing s/edgy/feisty for the one entry that will be left in my changelog what I need to do?
[09:58] <StevenK> (In other news, diff-mode in Emacs rocks. :-)
[09:58] <Simon80> stevenk: gvimdiff :D
[09:58] <StevenK> Simon80: Meh, I say, meh.
[09:58] <ajmitch> sivang: hm, average
[09:59] <gauteh> hey. would i be able to upgrade to feisty by adding the fesity repos to sources.list and do a dist upgrade?
[09:59] <sivang> ajmitch: how's the extended n-m work going?
[09:59] <ajmitch> n-a, you mean
[10:00] <sivang> ajmitch: ah, you're off that job? not interested anymore?
[10:00] <Simon80> gauteh: that would have some sort of upgrading effect
[10:00] <Simon80> afaik that's how to do it, but someone may have some sort of better way
[10:01] <ajmitch> sivang: no, I never touched n-m at all
[10:01] <somerville32> Does multiverse take non-source packages?
[10:01] <sivang> ajmitch: ah, so what are you going to touch part of your planned stuff for network authenticatoin ?
[10:02] <StevenK> sivang: Why would he need to? If the hooks are placed under /etc/network, it should work for everything.
[10:02] <StevenK> Note the should. :-)
[10:02] <ajmitch> StevenK: that's what the samba man said
[10:03] <Simon80> somerville32: you probably don't do it that way, you'd have a source package with binaries in it
[10:03] <ajmitch> which consisted of a few lines of shell script in suse to tell winbindd to go into offline mode
[10:03] <StevenK> Hrm. Which Samba man?
[10:03] <ajmitch> he wasn't officially at UDS :)
[10:03] <StevenK> Oh, right.
[10:05] <Simon80> so um, my changelog
[10:06] <Simon80> should I include (Closes: #200715)? if it ever gets into debian, it'll close 200715
[10:06] <StevenK> Your changelog entry probably won't.
[10:06] <StevenK> ajmitch: I wonder if you're planning on being around in roughly an hour.
[10:07] <ajmitch> I may be
[10:07] <ajmitch> do you have something I need to upload?
[10:07] <Simon80> no, I'm just asking for your opinion so I don't have to upload more than twice
[10:07] <StevenK> ajmitch: Ah. wlassistant to -updates, but I'm stuck on a Windows box at my mothers house. :-(
[10:07] <ajmitch> unfortunate
[10:07] <ajmitch> Simon80: no, don't put it in there
[10:07] <Simon80> ok
[10:08] <ajmitch> if it gets uploaded to debian, it'll need a debian changelog entry anyway
[10:08] <StevenK> Esp. given the background is my sisters mug, which is staring at me.
[10:08] <ajmitch> heh
[10:08] <Simon80> ajmitch: -D feisty?
[10:08] <ajmitch> yes, feisty in the changelog
[10:09] <ajmitch> StevenK: 7 days is up?
[10:09] <StevenK> ajmitch: When do we count from?
[10:09] <ajmitch> from the latest package upload to -proposed
[10:10] <ajmitch> I *think*
[10:10] <StevenK> In that case, I'll count from Colin's message in the bug.
[10:10] <ajmitch> ok
[10:10] <ajmitch> I thought you made another upload
[10:11] <StevenK> I was pondering making one.
[10:11] <StevenK> sflaw and I decided that I didn't really need to.
[10:11] <ajmitch> since you said on the 28th that it had landed in -proposed, I thought another one had been uploaded
[10:11] <ajmitch> I presume that the 7 days are up now
[10:11] <StevenK> Colin's message was on the 23rd of November.
[10:12] <StevenK> So yes. :-)
[10:13] <StevenK> The landed in -proposed was in response to Simon saying "Set the bug to Fix Commited" when the package is accepted.
[10:13] <ajmitch> ok, are you able to give me a debdiff?
[10:14] <StevenK> Not yet, since I'm not at home.
[10:14] <ajmitch> ok, I thought you may have had ssh access to home :)
[10:15] <StevenK> ajmitch: The link I'm on is just fast enough for IRC. If I try anything quick, the link goes ... wonky.
[10:15] <StevenK> The link here, not my home DSL.
[10:15] <ajmitch> ah, sounds like when I visit my parents
[10:15] <StevenK> Heh
[10:15] <ajmitch> since they see no reason for DSL
[10:16] <StevenK> Typical. :-)
[10:16] <sivang> ajmitch: I might need a sponsoring for dhcdbd
[10:17] <ajmitch> sivang: why?
[10:17] <sivang> ajmitch: if you'll be here for a little while
[10:17] <sivang> ajmitch: I'm merging it, and normally slomo sponsors me but he's away for the weekend
[10:17] <ajmitch> I see that slomo was last to touch it
[10:18] <sivang> ajmitch: indeed, and I've been recently taking merges from him (ofcourse with his encouragement and consent)
[10:18] <sivang> ajmitch: I already did n-m and libnotify
[10:21] <palski> how about packages which are not anymore in debian, should those be removed from ubuntu also? Especially if the package doesn't work at all 
[10:22] <ajmitch> palski: yes
[10:23] <ajmitch> removals from debian generally get processed at some point
[10:23] <Simon80> E: stepmania_3.9-0ubuntu1_source.changes: bad-distribution-in-changes-file feisty
[10:23] <Simon80> why!!!!!!!???????????
[10:23] <Simon80> lol
[10:23] <Simon80> I give up
[10:23] <Simon80> :D
[10:24] <palski> ajmitch: there is a package called danpei and it segfaults always when you try to run it. 
[10:25] <palski> and i cannot find it in packages.debian.org
[10:25] <fernando> moin all
[10:25] <ajmitch> then it may not have been imported from debian
[10:26] <ajmitch> have you filed a bug about it?
[10:27] <palski> ajmitch: there is only one ubuntu specific entry in debian/changelog so I think it is imported from debian? I havent filed a bug report bug somebody has bug #42184
[10:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42184 in danpei "danpei segfaults immediately when run" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/42184
[10:28] <ajmitch> it could have been a third-party import
[10:29] <Simon80> ajmitch, is there anything to say about my lintian complaint? 
[10:30] <ajmitch> not really
[10:30] <ajmitch> the host that runs revu only has dapper
[10:31] <Simon80> ahh
[10:31] <Simon80> no wonder
[10:31] <Simon80> so it was a fluke then
[10:32] <Simon80> but that's horrible, cause every single package on there says needs work cause of that
[10:32] <ajmitch> no
[10:32] <ajmitch> is that such a problem?
[10:32] <ajmitch> why is it horrible?
[10:32] <ajmitch> 'needs work' is based on the number of advocates, not the lintian status
[10:32] <Simon80> oh
[10:32] <Simon80> ok
[10:32] <Simon80> well then
[10:33] <Simon80> do I just wait then?
[10:33] <Simon80> first time :D
[10:33] <ajmitch> yes, though asking people to review it if they have time can be helpful
[11:22] <StevenK> ajmitch: Still around?
[11:23] <ajmitch> sorta
[11:23] <StevenK> Do you want to leave the uploading until later, then?
[11:23] <ajmitch> I think I'm still awake
[11:23] <ajmitch> not quite sure
[11:23] <StevenK> Heh
[11:27] <StevenK> ajmitch: Would you like a debdiff against 0ubuntu3 or 0ubuntu3.1?
[11:27] <ajmitch> against 0ubuntu3.1, I guess
[11:27] <ajmitch> since that's what I have unpacked
[11:28] <StevenK> Hah, it's not even 1K
[11:28] <StevenK> ajmitch: Mail?
[11:28] <ajmitch> k
[11:29] <ajmitch> I'd expect it to only be a new changelog entry
[11:29] <StevenK> Correct.
[11:33] <ajmitch> ugly package
[11:33] <ajmitch> needing all these headers installed just for the clean target
[11:35] <ajmitch> Uploading to ubuntu (via ftp to upload.ubuntu.com):
[11:35] <ajmitch> k
[11:35] <ajmitch> done
[11:36] <StevenK> ajmitch: Thanks so much.
[11:36] <ajmitch> no problem
[11:36] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee 
[11:37] <Simon80> ........wrt to your reply, feel free to review my package if you have time ;)
[11:50] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: stay where you are, please
[11:51] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: why?
[11:51] <ajmitch> instead of disconnecting all the time
[11:51] <ajmitch> sigh, 78 open samba bugs
[11:52] <ajmitch> many of them old
[11:52] <ajmitch> this will take awhile to do some bug triage on
[11:52] <ajmitch> hah
[12:06] <shawarma> crimsun: around?
[12:09] <shawarma> Maybe someone else can answer: I filed a few sync requests last night and assigned the bugs to ubuntu-archive, but according to crimsun "they'll shoot me in the face" if I do that..
[12:09] <Hobbsee> shawarma: they will.  use subscribe, not assign
[12:09] <shawarma> Hobbsee: Oh!
[12:10] <ajmitch> if you're lucky, you'll get away with a bullet in the kneecaps instead
[12:10] <shawarma> Hobbsee: Right, ok. I'll fix that right away.
[12:12] <shawarma> What difference does it actually make?
[12:12] <ajmitch> it makes a difference for filtering what bugs they see
[12:14] <shawarma> Ok.. I'll make a note of it on the wiki.
[12:17] <ajmitch> "To request a sync, [WWW]  file a bug in Launchpad with the above information, and subscribe the ubuntu-archive team to the bug. This team will process the request and close the bug when it is complete."
[12:17] <ajmitch> it's already noted on the correct page (DeveloperResources)
[12:18] <shawarma> ajmitch: I know. However, that assigning them instead of subscribing them could have lethal consequences is not duly noted.
[12:18] <shawarma> ajmitch: I think it's an easy mistake to make.
[12:20] <shawarma> By the way: While I was going through the merges last night I just skipped all the ones that were done by people I know to be active. Do you guys do that as well? 
[12:20] <Fujitsu> Pretty much what I did during Edgy, yes.
[12:21] <StevenK> Fujitsu: Muahaha
[12:21] <shawarma> Fujitsu: Ok.
[12:23] <geser> shawarma: until you are a MOTU your sync request need an ACK from a MOTU
[12:24] <shawarma> geser: Really? Sheesh.
[12:25] <shawarma> Then maybe someone could look that the syncs in this list https://bugs.launchpad.net/people/shawarma/+reportedbugs ?
[12:25] <geser> yes (at least if nothing has changed), subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors instead of ubuntu-archive
[12:25] <shawarma> There's only 6 of them.
[12:26] <shawarma> For crying out loud! I just..
[12:26] <shawarma> ..ah well.
[12:26] <shawarma> Ok, I'll change it.
[12:26] <shawarma> again
[12:26] <shawarma> ..
[12:26] <geser> the person doing the ACK will then subscribe ubuntu-archive
[12:26] <Hobbsee> shawarma: you wrote some specs, and talked about them on ubuntu-devel?
[12:26] <shawarma> Hobbsee: Not recently, but yes.
[12:27] <Hobbsee> shawarma: well, the talking about them was recent.  as for the "download a partial cd" stuff - that's done with rsync
[12:27] <shawarma> Garh....
[12:27] <shawarma> Hobbsee: That wasn't me.
[12:27] <Hobbsee> oh right
[12:28] <shawarma> I can't unsubscribe ubuntu-archive.
[12:28] <shawarma> Now they'll probably shoot me in the face anyway.
[12:28] <StevenK> Yes, I love how you can't unsubscribe people from bugs.
[12:28] <Hobbsee> you cant?
[12:28] <gnomefreak> StevenK: yes you can
[12:28] <shawarma> gnomefreak: Explain how.
[12:29] <gnomefreak> shawarma: go to the unsubscribe someone
[12:29] <shawarma> gnomefreak: which is where?
[12:29] <Hobbsee> left hand pannel
[12:29] <gnomefreak> shawarma: on the left hand side of the page above subscribe
[12:29] <Fujitsu> You can't unsubscribe somebody else, can you?
[12:29] <Hobbsee> s/pannel/panel/
[12:29] <StevenK> That's "Unsubscribe"
[12:29] <gnomefreak> Fujitsu: yes
[12:30] <StevenK> With unsubscribes *yourself*
[12:30] <Fujitsu> You can unsubscribe teams you're a member of, I know...
[12:30] <StevenK> s/With/Which/
[12:30] <gnomefreak> StevenK: than all that is subscribed it people or teams that you are not on. but if you add someone you should beable to unsubscribe them
[12:31] <Hobbsee> the dog is just crazy anyway
[12:31] <gnomefreak> ajmitch: annoying most of time for me atleast
[12:32] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: quite
[12:32] <StevenK> Hobbsee: He's not crazy. He just has ADD. :-P
[12:32] <Hobbsee> and that's any different?
[12:33] <StevenK> Indeed it is.
[12:33] <StevenK> A mental disorder such as shizophernia is very different.
[12:33] <Hobbsee> true
[12:34] <shawarma> ADD == Advanced Dungeons and Dragons?
[12:35] <ajmitch> ADD == likes shiny things, etc
[12:35] <ajmitch> reminds me of someone we know
[12:35] <StevenK> Think of George Bush.
[12:35] <StevenK> "Most of our exp.... Oh look, a kitty."
[12:36] <StevenK> It expands to Attention Deficit Disorder.
[12:36] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: is that aimed at me?
[12:36] <ajmitch> no
[12:37] <Hobbsee> hence the question
[12:37] <ajmitch> though it could
[12:37] <Hobbsee> nah...
[12:47] <Lathiat> spun out
[12:47] <Lathiat> i was doing a few days of feisty upgrades and in the middle of it my left screne just got corrupted
[12:47] <Lathiat> permanantly
[12:47] <Lathiat> well until a drop to console and back
[12:47] <ajmitch> interesting
[12:48] <ajmitch> I saw that a couple of days ago, but assumed it was due to testing some stuff with the nouveau driver
[12:48] <Lathiat>  * Setting up console font and keymap...                                 [ OK ]  
[12:48] <ajmitch> & making it crash repeatedly
[12:48] <Lathiat> is my best guess
[12:48] <Lathiat> (Setting up console-setup (1.13ubuntu3) ...
[12:48] <Lathiat> yep
[12:48] <Lathiat> thats it
[12:49] <Lathiat> lathiat@chiana:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/console-setup start
[12:49] <Lathiat> causes it
[12:49] <StevenK> Now run it with sh -x to see what command.
[12:55] <gnomefreak> universe/multiverse isnt frozen right?
[12:56] <gnomefreak> Lathiat: that happened to me also dropping to tty and back to X fixed it
[12:57] <Fujitsu> gnomefreak: The entire archive is frozen, but universe/multiverse uploads can be let through without extra approval.
[12:58] <gnomefreak> Fujitsu: im waiting for one that was uploaded wed. or thursday
[12:58] <gnomefreak> i was just wondering if the reason it hasnt hit yet was it was frozen
[01:03] <shawarma> Is anyone here involved in the *TeX* packages?
[01:04] <StevenK> I occasionally write LaTeX, does that count?
[01:04] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: did you get an accepted mail for it?
[01:04] <shawarma> StevenK: Hardly. :-)
[01:04] <StevenK> shawarma: :-P
[01:05] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: no i didnt upload it mvo did
[01:05] <shawarma> StevenK: I'll just have to wait until slomo shows up.
[01:08] <Hobbsee> ah
[01:09] <gnomefreak> i havent seen it if you mean in feisty-changes
[01:11] <Adri2000> hi :)
[01:12] <Hobbsee> that too
[01:17] <Adri2000> Fujitsu: homebank built fine?
[03:51] <asabil> hi all
[03:51] <asabil> can I request a package please ?
[03:58] <rmjb> asabil: you can add new packaging candidates to this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates
[03:58] <asabil> hmm, its not an easy package
[03:59] <asabil> its ueagle-atm
[04:00] <rmjb> is it in debian?
[04:02] <asabil> don't knoe
[04:02] <asabil> know
[04:02] <bhale> packages.debian.org
[04:03] <asabil> basically this package is the one stopping many many people from using ubuntu
[04:03] <rmjb> it looks like some sort of driver that interacts with the kernel somehow?
[04:03] <asabil> nop
[04:04] <asabil> yes, it is a driver
[04:04] <asabil> it's the new version of eagle-usb
[04:04] <asabil> which is currently broken in edgy and dapper
[04:05] <asabil> and it is not on debian :/
[04:05] <rmjb> asabil: does it build and install find in edgy/dapper?
[04:05] <rmjb> find = fine
[04:05] <asabil> rmjb, yes
[04:05] <asabil> I don't have the modem myself, but I managed to guide my brother to get it installed
[04:06] <asabil> it worked without any glitches
[04:06] <asabil> but still he is frustrated when I ask him to open a terminal
[04:06] <rmjb> what version did you use?
[04:07] <asabil> latest
[04:07] <asabil> 1.3 iirc
[04:09] <rmjb> I'm not a pro packager by any means, but I can give it a shot for you. Email me @ rmjb@mail.com so I have your contact when I get a chance to look at it
[04:10] <asabil> ok
[04:11] <asabil> done
[04:11] <Adri2000> where should I put a dh_iconcache in a debhelper debian/rules?
[04:12] <rmjb> asabil: I'll let you know when I tackle it... probably by tomorrow, busy with Ubuntu Open Week sessions today
[04:12] <asabil> take your time, I am not in ahurry
[04:12] <asabil> thanks very much
[04:13] <Hobbsee> Adri2000: below dh_installmenu
[04:13] <Hobbsee> and the like
[04:15] <Adri2000> dh_installman debian/blobwars.6
[04:15] <Adri2000>         dh_link
[04:15] <Adri2000> between theses two lines?
[04:16] <Hobbsee> after all the dh_install's is fine.  before the dh_deb or whatever it is
[04:17] <Hobbsee> that's the installing of the man page, not the menu file
[04:17] <Hobbsee> iirc it works below a certain point, instead of above a certain point
[04:17] <CypherBIOS> Hobbsee: please, don't forget my package http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3581 :)
[04:18] <Adri2000> Hobbsee: okay, thanks
[04:18] <Hobbsee> CypherBIOS: i'm going away soon, i probably wont get to see it for at least another week.  you probably want someone else to check that
[04:19] <CypherBIOS> Hobbsee: ok, any suggestion who can do it?
[04:19] <Hobbsee> a MOTU
[04:19] <CypherBIOS> :)
[04:35] <CypherBIOS> Please, can someone (with 10 minutes) review a package for me?
[04:37] <CypherBIOS> here is the link gerenciador de pacotes para o KDE
[04:37] <CypherBIOS> ops
[04:37] <CypherBIOS> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3581
[04:37] <CypherBIOS> :)
[04:41] <outime> Hi guys, I'm searching some documentation for make my own distro derived of Kubuntu (dapper, of course). Any idea?
[04:42] <rmjb> outime: joejaxx and LaserJock might be able to help you
[04:42] <rmjb> if they're on
[04:43] <outime> at least joejaxx yes, thanks
[04:44] <_MMA_> joejaxx is more a Gnome/Fluxbox guy. LaserJock is the better person to ask.
[04:44] <_MMA_> LaserJock works on Icthux.
[04:44] <_MMA_> Kubuntu based.
[04:45] <rmjb> you can also hope over to #icthux and ask those guys
[04:45] <rmjb> hope = hop
[04:57] <outime> Thanks to all :-)
[04:57] <outime> but the channel doesn't exist
[04:58] <outime> Maybe #ichthux :-)
[04:58] <outime> yes, it's
[05:07] <Adri2000> "Depends: python2.3 -> python2.4" < is this kind of ubuntu changes still needed?
[05:07] <sivang> Adri2000: I think so, yes
[05:08] <sivang> Adri2000: you might want to check out the python policy and use either pysupport or python-central
[05:09] <Adri2000> sivang: this change was in ghextris 0.9.0-1.2 and in the changelog 0.9.0-1.2 there is "Remove explicit dependency on python2.3."
[05:09] <Adri2000> err
[05:10] <Adri2000> s/ghextris 0.9.0-1.2/ghextris 0.9.0-1.1ubuntu1/
[05:10] <sivang> Adri2000: okay, so its probably using the new policy which doesn't or relieves the rquirement for a specific versioned dependency
[05:10] <sivang> Adri2000: if you still have the versioned 2.3 dependency, just change it to 2.4
[05:10] <sivang> that should stil work
[05:11] <kalon34> QUESTION: Is there somewhere with the process to follow or can you describe it please ?
[05:11] <sivang> kalon34: you mena the python policy changes?
[05:12] <Adri2000> sivang: the debian non maintainer (it was a nmu :p) changed the B-D like that: s/python2.3/python/
[05:12] <sivang> kalon34, Adri2000 : http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy
[05:12] <kalon34> sorry, I though I were in ubuntu-classroom-chat ^^
[05:12] <kalon34> but thanks for your good intention sivang. :)
[05:13] <sivang> kalon34: :-D
[05:13] <Adri2000> sivang: so I can request a sync for this package?
[05:13] <Adri2000> (if it builds fine)
[05:17] <sivang> Adri2000: if the only change was what you mentioned, and debian already include it (the dependency and python policy switch) I don't see a reason why not.
[05:17] <Adri2000> ubuntu: s/python2.3/python2.4/ ; debian: s/python2.3/python/
[05:18] <Adri2000> it's not really the same change
[05:20] <sivang> Adri2000: and this is in the build-depends yes?
[05:20] <sivang> (the only change)
[05:20] <Adri2000> yep
[05:20] <sivang> Adri2000: and the package built find in your fesity and installed and is up and working?
[05:21] <Adri2000> sivang: no sorry, it's in the depends (not build)
[05:21] <Adri2000> I'm going to launch the build
[05:22] <sivang> Adri2000: see if it builds, and installs fine, if it does, then it's okay to request a sync
[05:23] <Adri2000> ok, thanks for your help
[05:25] <sivang> Adri2000: no problem, my plreasure.
[05:25] <rmjb> sivang: can you okay a sync request I made? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/dmraid/+bug/71980
[05:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71980 in dmraid "dmraid: sync new debian version" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[05:25] <rmjb> since you're here
[05:31] <sivang> rmjb: I cannot test it though, since I've never used dmraid
[05:32] <rmjb> umm... if I refer you to a bug that people said this version works for them in edgy would that be okay?
[05:32] <kalon34> sivang, as daniel holbach invites us, and I'm interessed by that, how I can join ubuntu-motu ?
[05:33] <rmjb> this bug shows that the current package is outright broken, and the new version works (last 5 - 10 comments) https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/dmraid/+bug/54246
[05:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54246 in dmraid "DMRAID stopped to work in kernels > 2.6.15" [Medium,In progress]  
[05:33] <sivang> kalon34: Well, you have to work on packages for a while, preferably on what interests you in universe,
[05:34] <sivang> kalon34: then upload to REVU when doing merges, packaging new programs etc.
[05:34] <sivang> kalon34: after you've worked with some folks as sponsors for a while, and feel confident enough to be able to work without supervision on universe, you propose yourself to the ubuntu-dev team
[05:35] <sivang> kalon34: then, on TB meeting (technical board) you wlil be asked question, technical and other regarding your invovlement and your interest 
[05:35] <sivang> kalon34: the TB members will then decide if to grant you upload access or not, if not they will tell you what they need to see more before they can approve you.
[05:37] <sivang> kalon34: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewDeveloperProcess
[05:37] <sivang> kalon34: actually not sure this is the latest document.
[05:38] <kalon34> okay, thanks sivang :)
[05:39] <sivang> kalon34: this is a specification to make this process better, could be an interesting read until it becomes ready - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MotuProcessesSpechttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MotuProcessesSpechttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MotuProcessesSpec
[05:39] <sivang> hrm
[05:39] <sivang> woops
[05:39] <sivang> kalon34: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MotuProcessesSpec
[05:39] <sivang> that's better
[05:39] <rmjb> sivang: will the information I gave be enough for you to ack? if not can you recommend a motu to ack the sync request?
[05:39] <sivang> kalon34: my pleasure, it encouraging to be asked such question from people around the community :)
[05:40] <sivang> rmjb: I can actually request the sync myself, just a sec
[05:40] <rmjb> ok
[05:42] <kalon34> I'm contributing to bugsquad, support and french translations now (as kalon33 on launchpad, I had a login problem on freenode which gave me kalon34) but I've not programming skills, so I haven't what is needed for the MOTU, am I ?
[05:42] <sivang> rmjb: so the issue is completely fixed in sid yes? what are the differences between our and sid's package?
[05:43] <rmjb> sivang: right now it's a -Q option to modprobe, it just sliences messages
[05:43] <sivang> kalon34: well, I think you require only minor programming skills for MOTU,
[05:43] <sivang> rmjb: you mean, difference between ubuntu and sid? (debian)
[05:43] <rmjb> kalon34: if you can install from source (./configure, make, make install) you can start on MOTU
[05:44] <rmjb> sivang: sorry, sid is a new version
[05:44] <rmjb> rc13
[05:44] <rmjb> we're still on rc9
[05:44] <sivang> kalon34: its mostly about attentions to details, and being able to work with source distributions, as well as knowledge of the different debian packaging schemes, policies etc.
[05:44] <rmjb> which has an issue with kernels 2.6.16 an over
[05:45] <kalon34> sivang : I already did that sometimes to get last versions of some apps.
[05:45] <sivang> kalon34: so you can work as a MOTU ;)
[05:45] <sivang> rmjb: okay, what you need to do as open a bug as a sync request, subscribe ubuntu-archive to it,
[05:46] <sivang> rmjb: link the bug report that proves that dmraid is completely broken in ubuntu, and show the diffs from the debian/ folder
[05:46] <kalon34> sivang : how to begin with hopeful ? I already subscribe to ubuntu-motu list.
[05:46] <jdong> sivang: no, backports got dibs on those who want new versions :D
[05:46] <rmjb> sivang: the sync request I linked to is not it?
[05:46] <sivang> jdong: ?
[05:47] <sivang> rmjb: hmm, let me look again, sorry
[05:47] <sivang> jdong: or rather, huh? :)
[05:47] <jdong> sivang: never mind :)
[05:47] <rmjb> jdong: once the new dmraid gets into feisty I'll be hitting you up for a backport of it
[05:47] <jdong> rmjb: oh lovely :)
[05:47] <rmjb> because it's completely broken in edgy too
[05:47] <sivang> kalon34: just work on packages, try being with merges and sync need be done to universe, use REVU to upload your created stuff, and have people review
[05:48] <rmjb> I notice you're *very* active in the backporting
[05:48] <jdong> rmjb: yeah, I run the normal show around there....
[05:48] <jdong> the other backporters handle stuff outta my knowledge scope
[05:48] <jdong> and ubuntu-archive has to put up with the floods of requests being approved :)
[05:49] <jdong> hmm, 97 backports yesterday, 2 build failures
[05:49] <jdong> not bad
[05:49] <kalon34> sivang : thanks for using your time explaining it to me :)
[05:49] <sivang> kalon34: no problem at all!
[05:49] <bhale> jdong: not beagle, I hope
[05:49] <jdong> bhale: -archive hasn't gottten around to that batch yet :D
[05:49] <mr_pouit> jdong: you said you use a pbuilder hook to build with make -j3 instead of -j2. How do you do exactly ? (I tried several solutions and it doesn't work ^^)
[05:50] <jdong> mr_pouit: no, I just either (1) mess with source packages (2) or set CONCURRENCY_LEVEL on packages that allow for it
[05:50] <mr_pouit> jdong: oh, ok ;)
[05:50] <jdong> setting MAKEFLAGS, as obvious as it sounds, doesn't work :)
[05:50] <sivang> rmjb: you need to sub ubuntu-archive for that, and ask a sync on the last note
[05:50] <jdong> though I vow that's a debhelper bug :)
[05:51] <sivang> rmjb: if its for https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/dmraid/+bug/71980
[05:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71980 in dmraid "dmraid: sync new debian version" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[05:51] <mr_pouit> jdong: I even tried to create /etc/make.conf (as in gentoo ^^)
[05:51] <jdong> LOL
[05:51] <sivang> rmjb: try to find someone in ubuntu-dev who can actually test the new package, and proove it to work I think
[05:51] <kalon34> sorry sivang, another question, how to find packages needed to be built and merged ?
[05:51] <sivang> dholbach: what do you think?
[05:52] <sivang> dholbach: I don't have raid nor never used it, so I can't know for sure the sync will work, how can we proceed in that case?
[05:52] <dholbach> sivang: if you're really unsure, ask somebody to test it
[05:52] <sivang> dholbach: well, it really looks good according to rmjb comments and work he has done
[05:53] <rmjb> well from the bug I linked you (not the sync request) to actually use FakeRAID on edgy you'd have to have the new version... so I'm thinking no motu's or dev use fake raid... which is why it's been open for a while
[05:53] <jdong> bhale: though I'm not sure how cjwatson will react to that backport... he's been insisting on using SRU a lot this time around
[05:53] <sivang> dholbach: However, I'm usually uneasy to upload/ack stuff I can't test myself :)
[05:53] <dholbach> right
[05:55] <bhale> jdong: he already said that about beagle, it is a number of changesets
[05:55] <bhale> over a few releases
[05:55] <sivang> dholbach: how reasonable is it to sync to the new version, and then wait for bugs ? :)
[05:55] <bhale> im a bad maintainer, i am not excited to look at making a patch
[05:56] <rmjb> sivang: once the new version is synced in feisty I intend to test it before asking for a backport
[05:56] <rmjb> it just needs to get into the archive somehow
[05:57] <sivang> rmjb: I see, then actually this sounds harmless, as yes, feisty people expect trouble :)
[05:57] <dholbach> sivang: you have to deal with the flames if people loose data :-)
[05:57] <dholbach> sivang: but that shouldn't stop you, it's just something you have to consider
[05:57] <sivang> dholbach: okay, I'm happy to deal with it
[05:57] <sivang> rmjb: gonna ack the sync now
[05:57] <dholbach> alright
[05:57] <rmjb> THANK YOU!!!
[05:57] <rmjb> I want to send you a thank you card...!
[05:58] <sivang> rmjb: oh no, no need, but you can buy me a bottle or pint of Becks, Erdinger or Paulnar next time you see me if ever ;)
[05:58] <sivang> dholbach: ^^
[05:58] <sivang> ;)
[05:58] <rmjb> hopefully as some UDS in the future :D
[05:59] <sivang> rmjb: that is indeed what I thought of , yes :)
[06:01] <jdong> bhale: oh yes, I recall that now, yesterday :)
[06:02] <jdong> ooh, look at that, my last Maxtor has spun its last revolution last night....
[06:02] <jdong> in a buffer IO error infinite loop
[06:02] <jdong> apparently /var/log/* was in a bad area
[06:03] <jdong> and writing to the log would generate more error events :)
[06:08] <elkbuntu> anyone here have imbrandon's cell
[06:09] <rmjb> http://docs.google.com/Doc.aspx?id=dwr4cnp_0xstds7
[06:09] <rmjb> elkbuntu: it's on that page, his resume
[06:10] <elkbuntu> ah nevermind, he's alive. with net problems
[06:12] <rmjb> btw, any update on herd 1?
[06:13] <vil> hello
[06:13] <vil> is there any tool to visualize the dependency between packages?
[06:14] <siretart> vil: try 'apt-cache dotty'
[06:15] <vil> siretart: great! thanks. let's try it
[06:38] <jorgp> debian will have a flood of version bumps come dec 4 or so when etch gets released and debian main because totally unfrozen
[06:49] <rmjb> LaserJock: here for the doc open week session?
[06:49] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:51] <bhale> it is still open week?
[06:53] <sivang> bhale: are you doing any C#/.NET/Mono stuff at work or just PHP ?
[06:53] <LaserJock> bhale: yeah, last day
[06:53] <bhale> sivang: php, tcl
[06:53] <bhale> +expect
[06:53] <sivang> bhale: I learnt a whole lot new stuff about Mono/C#/.NET , it seems less evil everytime I take a look at it, am I going crazy? :)
[06:54] <bhale> no
[06:54] <bhale> C# rules.
[06:54] <sivang> bhale: are you doing subprcess control from PHP based web sites?
[06:54] <bhale> subprocess control?
[06:54] <bhale> like spawning external programs?
[06:54] <sivang> 17:53 < bhale> +expect
[06:54] <bhale> expect is an extension to tcl
[06:55] <bhale> very seperate from php..
[06:55] <sivang> sure, I Know
[06:55] <bhale> there are 4 pieces
[06:55] <bhale> the database, where all device info is stored
[06:55] <bhale> the automation functions, pull data from DB, perform automated acts on devices on CLI
[06:56] <bhale> the SNMP pollers, pull data from DB, poll using SNMP, put more data back to DB or into rrdtool
[06:56] <bhale> the web interface, which is PHP, shows textual or rrdtool data to the user
[06:56] <sivang> bhale: I reached a point where I can't understand why all the IT world, open and closed, shouldn't just standartize on C# for most of the stuff, and revert to "wrist friendly" stuff like IronPython and Boo for the rest
[06:57] <bhale> oh, i absolutely shouldnt standardize on any of those
[06:57] <bhale> show me a mature SNMP binding with all the features I need in CLR
[06:57] <bhale> then one for RRDTool
[06:57] <sivang> bhale: well, ofcourse there are weak spots,
[06:57] <sivang> bhale: doesn't mean we can't improve that by writing exiting new bindings for it
[06:57] <bhale> i dont have time to invest in moving to something that doesnt do what I need now
[06:58] <bhale> TCL/Expect has a long history of network management usage and the bindings show it
[06:58] <sivang> bhale: ofcourse, noted, but for web development which I'm reading is now possible using mono and a couple of tohers, it could be way cool to have type safety and useful where you need to refactor large quants of code
[06:59] <bhale> if it made sense I would have switched :)
[07:01] <sivang> bhale: ah, that's what I wanted to hear :)
[07:01] <bhale> think about now, having a bunch of little scripts in $foo/bin
[07:01] <bhale> your web stuff
[07:01] <bhale> think of managing the source code somewhere also
[07:02] <bhale> and makefile/autotools rules to install everything in the right place
[07:02] <bhale> recompiling
[07:02] <bhale> it doesnt fit in my work flow
[07:02] <bhale> for plenty of reasons
[07:02] <bhale> I develop in mono on the gnome desktop
[07:02] <bhale> it makes sense.
[07:04] <sivang> bhale: right, on the fly script glue is what you need
[07:04] <sivang> bhale: what stuff you do on the gnome desktop?
[07:04] <sivang> (in mono/C#)
[07:04] <bhale> last-exit
[07:05] <bhale> it is #6 on google
[07:05] <sivang> bhale: http://www.lastexitlive.com/index.php? :)
[07:05] <bhale> no
[07:05] <bhale> http://folks.o-hand.com/iain/last-exit/
[07:06] <sivang> bhale: did you put efforts into the web page interface? :P
[07:06] <bhale> sivang: heh no
[07:06] <bhale> but i love it
[07:07] <bhale> i want to reproduce it as a wiki somehow
[07:08] <sivang> bhale: are there ubuntu packages already?
[07:08] <sivang> I'd like to test it
[07:08] <bhale> yes
[07:08] <bhale> it is in edgy and feisty
[07:09] <sivang> universe yes
[07:09] <sivang> ?
[07:09] <bhale> yes.
[07:09] <bhale> you need an account from http://last.fm
[07:10] <sivang> I am available for website design, but my rates are very high, although you do get the use of my patented site-in-a-png(tm, pat. pending) technology.
[07:10] <sivang> ?? :)
[07:10] <sivang> HAHAHA
[07:11] <sivang> can last-exit help me create an account ?
[07:11] <bhale> i think so
[07:11] <bhale> there is a first run dialog
[07:11] <bhale> to enter your account
[07:11] <sivang> bhale: yes, I'm trying it now
[07:13] <sivang> account created
[07:14] <bhale> you can join our group
[07:14] <bhale> and be the first person from israel maybe
[07:15] <stgraber> nice software, I didn't know of it
[07:16] <sivang> bhale: kool, how do I do it?
[07:16] <bhale> sivang: press play.
[07:16] <bhale> oh
[07:16] <bhale> there is a button in Preferences to join
[07:17] <sivang> bhale: yes, I clicked it, it opens the browser
[07:17] <bhale> yes
[07:17] <bhale> click join
[07:18] <bhale> under the group logo
[07:18] <sivang> bhale: You are not currently a member of the "Last Exit" group. Click to join this group.
[07:18] <sivang> ?
[07:18] <bhale> yes
[07:18] <sivang> done, now what?
[07:19] <bhale> you are joined
[07:19] <bhale> first member from israel
[07:19] <bhale> http://www.last.fm/group/Last+Exit/countries
[07:19] <stgraber> and second from Switzerland
[07:19] <bhale> rock!
[07:20] <sivang> cool!
[07:20] <sivang> bhale: btw,  was I rquired to say which country I am from for the stats to work?
[07:20] <bhale> yes
[07:21] <stgraber> yes, in the Preferences (top right block)
[07:21] <bhale> stgraber: ah nice you were already using lastfm
[07:22] <stgraber> bhale: yes, a little bit with Rhythmbox
[07:23] <stgraber> The group top Artists looks great
[07:25] <sivang> bhale: does it need anything special to play ?
[07:25] <bhale> no
[07:25] <sivang> bhale: it's muted here for some reson
[07:25] <bhale> well actually
[07:25] <bhale> you never played any songs, it doesnt know what to do :)
[07:25] <bhale> it is based on your listening habits
[07:25] <bhale> from banshee or rhythmbox say
[07:25] <sivang> hmm, right
[07:26] <sivang> oh wawo , how does it know that?
[07:26] <bhale> with a plugin
[07:26] <sivang> do those apps keep a play history ?
[07:26] <bhale> both of them include it by default iirc
[07:26] <bhale> just need to configure it with your account
[07:26] <bhale> it posts each song to the web service
[07:26] <bhale> after you played it
[07:26] <sivang> i see
[07:26] <bhale> then it builds a history there
[07:26] <bhale> decides similar users and artists etc
[07:26] <sivang> so it will play stuff on my hd already yes?
[07:27] <bhale> some of it
[07:27] <sivang> I thought it would play stuff from the net
[07:27] <bhale> some stuff your "neighbors" played
[07:27] <bhale> yes from the net
[07:27] <bhale> based on your listening habits...
[07:27] <bhale> it will play things it thinks you will like
[07:27] <sivang> I see. How can I tell it I like blues/jazz etc?
[07:27] <bhale> play blues/jazz
[07:27] <bhale> after configuring RB
[07:28] <sivang> tries
[07:29] <sivang> playing virgin classic rock,
[07:29] <sivang> queen is on !
[07:30] <sivang> bhale: can't find in RB where to configure my account
[07:30] <stgraber> in the plugins
[07:30] <stgraber> Edit -> Plugins then you have a last.fm plugins
[07:31] <sivang> stgraber: yes, found it, already done
[07:32] <sivang> do I need to restart RB for this to take effect?
[07:33] <stgraber> I don't think
[07:37] <stgraber> sivang: Did you try playing some songs with Rhythmbox ? I don't see any changes on your last.fm page ...
[07:37] <shawarma> sivang: You need to listen to at least half of the song, I think.
[07:37] <shawarma> sivang: Otherwise it doesn't count as listened.
[07:37] <sivang> shawarma, shawarma : yes, it's all working now
[07:38] <sivang> bhale: amazing thin
[07:38] <shawarma> How much bandwidth does it use?
[07:38] <sivang> bhale: how does it decide what I might lik e? :)
[07:40] <sivang> I don't get it
[07:40] <sivang> I asked for stuff the sounds like "Pink Floyd" and it brought an amazingly similar song by the Cure
[07:40] <sivang> how does it do that? :D
[07:41] <stgraber> sivang: It checks the others users that listened to the same sounds and give you the others they were listening to
[07:41] <stgraber> it should be a little bit more complex I think but that's the idea
[07:41] <sivang> stgraber: so it look sthat someone else that looked for something similar to pink floyd, listened to the cure and then it give me it?
[07:41] <shawarma> sivang: Just like Amazon can guess which books you might like based on yours and every one else's choices of books.
[07:42] <sivang> shawarma: ah, so that relies on last.fm being already full of users with suggestions and preferences, otherwise this can't work
[07:42] <shawarma> sivang: If you have enough statisticla data you can start making VERY informed guesses.
[07:42] <shawarma> sivang: Exactly.
[07:42] <LaserJock> shawarma: did you see axiom go by?
[07:43] <shawarma> LaserJock: No, I'm not subscribed to feisty-changes. Yet.
[07:43] <bhale> sivang: it finds people who listened to the same bands as you
[07:43] <bhale> sivang: then it sees what else they listened to
[07:43] <shawarma> LaserJock: Yes, I see it. Excellent. Thanks!
[07:43] <LaserJock> shawarma: can you check to make sure it built ok Launchpad for me
[07:44] <shawarma> LaserJock: OMG! https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/280436 7 hours!
[07:44] <sivang> 2006-12-02 15:32:53 UTC (7 hours 10 minutes)
[07:44] <shawarma> LaserJock: i386 and amd64 made it in the expected 1 hour 50 minutes.
[07:44] <sivang> oh marry queen of soctts!
[07:45] <sivang> bhale: where does it ifnd all the songs on the net?
[07:45] <sivang> bhale: it seems it can find *anything*
[07:46] <sivang> bhale: are there radio stations the allow you to request a specific song?
[07:46] <sivang> (track)
[07:46] <stgraber> If any MOTU has a minute : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3576 it should be quite good, thx
[07:47] <sivang> bhale: does Mono have something like python-pexpect in the CLI ?
[07:47] <sivang> bhale: s/CLI/CLR/
[07:47] <stgraber> sivang: there is the "sounds like" thing but not a way to get a specific song (or I don't know it)
[07:47] <sivang> bhale: and in .NET on windows, for that matter
[07:48] <sivang> stgraber: so how does it ask for a specific song that is similar to what I have requested
[07:48] <joejaxx> anyone know the package that holds the broadcom driver?
[07:48] <shawarma> stgraber: There is no way to ask for specific songs.
[07:48] <joejaxx> not the cutter package
[07:48] <shawarma> stgraber: They're not allowed to provide that.
[07:49] <stgraber> shawarma: seems logical :) It's not a download website :)
[07:49] <shawarma> LaserJock: archive.ubuntu.com gives me 16 Kb/s so it takes a while to download. :-)
[07:49] <shawarma> LaserJock: ...but the build logs look fine.
[07:50] <LaserJock> ok
[07:50] <sivang> bhale: I'm thinking of contributing to Mono upstream, seems like the most prominent CLI project to contribute to, and seems that I will want to create Mono bindings for DAR rather then python ones, I regret not developing hubackup in C# already.
[07:50] <shawarma> LaserJock: Ah, it's been synced to the Swedish mirror. I'll be done in no time then.
[07:50] <sivang> bhale: with the new UI and other changes, it's a pain refactoring the code in python
[07:57] <shawarma> LaserJock: It works like a charm!
[07:57] <bhale> sivang: DAR?
[07:57] <bhale> why is refactoring immediately easier in C# than python?
[07:57] <bhale> refactoring is nice in MVC
[07:57] <bhale> which you could do in python just as well
[08:06] <sivang> bhale: Well, indeed it is in MVC, and I
[08:06] <sivang> bhale: I'm already using MVC on the project, however, when changing the backend, some more type safety would help
[08:07] <sivang> (I'm dramatiacally changing the backend classes constructors)
[08:07] <sivang> bhale: would make the process of detecting errors easier and less painful due to the changes,
[08:07] <sivang> bhale: in the form of complier warnings/errors
[08:07] <bhale> nod
[08:30] <jorgp> anyone know of a firefox 1.5 for edgy?
[08:31] <LaserJock> I don't
[08:32] <Adri2000> can I request a sync for the package sympa from debian experimental? experimental has a new upstream release
[08:32] <Adri2000> !info sympa
[08:32] <ubotu> sympa: Modern mailing list manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.1.5-7 (edgy), package size 1149 kB, installed size 8064 kB
[08:33] <LaserJock> is there a particular reason to sync from experimental?
[08:33] <amnesia> re
[08:33] <Adri2000> LaserJock: new upstream release: 4.x -> 5.x
[08:33] <Adri2000> unstable has still 4.x
[08:34] <LaserJock> ok, but experimental generally means it's an "experimental" package
[08:34] <LaserJock> so unless there is a particular reason to get it I'd wait until 5.x made it to unstable
[08:34] <ajmitch> morning
[08:35] <LaserJock> Adri2000: of course that's just my opinion though
[08:35] <LaserJock> you could as a real pro like ajmitch 
[08:35] <LaserJock> ;-)
[08:35] <Adri2000> LaserJock: I thought it didn't go in unstable because of the release of debian etch
[08:36] <amnesia> ajmitch: hi
[08:36] <Adri2000> hi ajmitch 
[08:37] <LaserJock> etch isn't unstable
[08:37] <LaserJock> etch is testing
[08:37] <LaserJock> I'm pretty sure it's only unstable -> testing that gets frozen
[08:37] <LaserJock> ajmitch: do you know ^^?
[08:37] <amnesia> ajmitch: ping me when you have a little time plese
[08:38] <LaserJock> wow, he's getting all the attention :-)
[08:39] <amnesia> you had yours this week LaserJock :)
[08:40] <LaserJock> amnesia: heh
[08:40] <amnesia> ajmitch: heh well instead I did something you could fix :)
[08:40] <ajmitch> LaserJock: it's still encouraged that stuff doesn't get randomly uploaded to sid, and so some of it lands in experimental
[08:40] <ajmitch> amnesia: unlikely
[08:40] <LaserJock> amnesia:  it's because all the competent people are busy
[08:40] <amnesia> ajmitch: yeah it is, your name stands on the wiki site
[08:40] <amnesia> LaserJock:  :)
[08:40] <LaserJock> ajmitch: right, but sid isn't frozen because of etch is it?
[08:41] <ajmitch> LaserJock: not hard frozen, but close enough
[08:41] <amnesia> ajmitch: so come back to me if you have some time, really :)
[08:41] <LaserJock> ajmitch: ok, so does it make sense to sync from experimental?
[08:42] <ajmitch> only in some cases
[08:42] <ajmitch> amnesia: you still haven't told me what
[08:42] <Adri2000> bug 74177
[08:42] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74177 in sympa "New versions available (5.2.3 instead of 4.1.5)" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74177
[08:43] <amnesia> I broke the upload when uploading to revu, and now I can't upload, getting error 553
[08:43] <amnesia> -f doesn't help
[08:43] <amnesia> dput -f that is
[08:44] <ajmitch> package name?
[08:44] <amnesia> ircp-tray
[08:44] <amnesia> I probably shouldn't do a ctrl-c when uploading... :)
[08:44] <ajmitch> no, you shouldn't
[08:44] <ajmitch> cleaned
[08:45] <amnesia> thanks
[08:46] <amnesia> yay, first upload!
[08:46] <amnesia> now I should find 2 motus to review it right?
[08:47] <plugwash> afaict sid isn't frozen as such but uploading stuff there thats not intended for etch is strongly discouraged because it can make updating etch a lot more work if people do that
[08:52] <jorgp> amnesia, what did you upload?
[08:53] <amnesia> ircp-tray: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3611
[08:53] <jorgp> LaserJock, yes, lots of sid is frozen because of etch, like the toolchain for example
[08:54] <LaserJock> that seems odd to me
[08:54] <LaserJock> oh, maybe it does
[08:54] <LaserJock> as sid would then become lenny
[08:54] <jorgp> like glibc sid still using 2.3.6
[08:55] <jorgp> because of etch
[08:55] <ajmitch> and if people could upload whatever they wanted to sid still, it would make it awfully hard to pull in fixes for etch
[08:55] <amnesia> jorgp: my first package on the road to become a part of ubuntu, I think I could help a little
[08:55] <jorgp> its always been that way, I guess because of the migrate thing, dunno
[08:56] <jorgp> amnesia, that for feisty right?
[08:56] <amnesia> jorgp:  no, edgy
[08:56] <ajmitch> it'll need to be for feisty
[08:56] <amnesia> jorgp: I have only edgies around
[08:56] <amnesia> ajmitch: hmm
[08:56] <amnesia> should work though, not much deps
[08:57] <ajmitch> we don't stick new stuff in edgy
[08:57] <jorgp> you can build a feisty chroot using pbuilder
[08:57] <amnesia> jorgp: well I'll need to wait for my 16mbit DSL for that
[08:57] <jorgp> even if you are using edgy
[08:57] <amnesia> monday then
[08:57] <amnesia> will come back to you, thanks!
[08:58] <amnesia> I\m on the neighbor's unencrypted wlan atm :>
[08:58] <jorgp> look into pbuilder its a wonderful thing
[08:58] <amnesia> not too speedy
[08:59] <amnesia> yeah that's what I've built it with
[09:00] <jorgp> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto?highlight=%28pbuilder%29
[09:00] <jorgp> pretty good doc
[09:00] <amnesia> k thanks
[09:01] <amnesia> will read that then, this connection is not good for much more..
[09:02] <jorgp> basicly you want to do: sudo pbuilder create --distribution feisty
[09:04] <amnesia> yeah. that will overwrite the prev. edgy thing right?
[09:04] <amnesia> not that I'll need it as it seems
[09:05] <jorgp> that I am not sure
[09:05] <jorgp> good topic in #ubuntu-classroom.. Ubuntu porting
[09:06] <amnesia> shit I forgot about the classes today. damn
[09:06] <somerville32> Just started
[09:06] <amnesia> thx
[09:07] <cmpalmer> mediawiki shows an update for edgy, but some dependencies are unavailable. can somebody point me to what's going on?
[09:17] <LaserJock> cmpalmer: well, is it just plain missing dependencies or wrong versions?
[09:50] <Simon80> um, if I build a package in a faisty chroot, how am I suppoed to test that it won't eat babies when I run it?
[09:50] <Simon80> feisty*
[09:51] <Simon80> also, I'd like to remind everyone to review my package if possible... it's a game, fun!
[09:51] <Simon80> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3608, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3609
[09:51] <plugwash> Simon80 install and run it inside the feisty chroot?
[09:52] <Simon80> plugwash: so then I would need for pbuilder to freeze and let me into the chroot when the build finishes
[09:53] <plugwash> i think pbuilder has a command "pbuilder login" which lets you get a shell inside the chroot
[09:53] <mr_pouit> Simon80: you can use pbuilder as a normal chroot, with "pbuilder login"
[09:53] <mr_pouit> oops ^^
[09:53] <plugwash> but i don't bother with pbuilder myself
[09:53] <Simon80> yeah, it does... but then I have to build manually..
[09:53] <Simon80> I think
[09:53] <Simon80> is it a good idea to test on feisty before uploading then?
[09:54] <Simon80> hmm: If you want to participate in the current release cycle, you will want to have a FeistyFawn chroot.
[09:57] <plugwash> or even just run feisty on your desktop if you are daring ;)
[09:57] <Simon80> yeah, but I don't like doing that early on... things break
[10:01] <amnesia> being on topic, how do devs do the packagint? they have a feisty installed so they can package and install their packages?
[10:02] <amnesia> or they just do with pbuilder and hope it works (as I do now)
[10:02] <lifeless> test in chroots
[10:02] <lifeless> test machines
[10:02] <lifeless> switch to feisty
[10:02] <lifeless> usually some combination
[10:03] <Simon80> chroot as in pbuilder?
[10:03] <amnesia> k
[10:04] <lifeless> Simon80: no
[10:04] <lifeless> chroot as in a feisty chroot you routinely log into and run programs in, not the clean-room thing pbuilder maintains
[10:04] <amnesia> jorgp: I'm just doing the feisty package, could you check if for me then?
[10:07] <amnesia> grr what's the sense to rename a package in feisty to have an added 0 at the end? edgy: libscrollkeeper, feisty: libscrollkeeper0
[10:07] <amnesia> I know it's a debian thing, could never understand why
[10:10] <Simon80> might have to do with compiler transitions... but it looks extremely kludgy to me
[10:12] <cmpalmer> mediawiki shows an update for edgy, but some dependencies are unavailable (only shows older versions). can somebody point me to what's going on?
[10:14] <amnesia> cmpalmer: you're right
[10:14] <amnesia> but it's the backport I'm getting installed
[10:14] <amnesia> ~edgy1
[10:14] <amnesia> you might wanna bugreport that
[10:14] <amnesia> to the mediawiki package
[10:14] <plugwash> you do have both updates and backports in your sources right?
[10:15] <cmpalmer> err
[10:15] <amnesia> I do
[10:15] <jdong> cmpalmer: what dependencies are not available?
[10:16] <cmpalmer> mediawiki1.7 and mediawiki1.7-math, it says
[10:16] <jdong> cmpalmer: aye, I see that right now
[10:16] <jdong> let me investigate
[10:16] <jdong> *sigh* it worked a week ago....
[10:16] <cmpalmer> thanks
[10:16] <amnesia> I confirm it :>
[10:17] <jdong> pfft mediawiki is now a metapackage
[10:17] <jdong> and mediawiki1.7 is the real package
[10:17] <amnesia> which is not in
[10:17] <jdong> whose genius idea is that?
[10:17] <jdong> well, I'll fix that
[10:17] <jdong> not like it's breaking anything per se
[10:17] <jdong> :)
[10:17] <jdong> lol
[10:18] <amnesia> when pbuilder my package for feisty I'm getting:  checking for scrollkeeper-config... no
[10:18] <amnesia> and it worked for edgy. it stinks, can someone lend a hand maybe?
[10:20] <Simon80> what command does one use to check what distribution they're on? uname won't do it..
[10:20] <jdong> cmpalmer: I just need to have mediawiki1.7 backported in addition to mediawiki.... no much harm done
[10:20] <amnesia> uname -a
[10:20] <amnesia> oh
[10:20] <mr_pouit> Simon80: /etc/issue ?
[10:20] <Simon80> that's it
[10:21] <Simon80> thanks
[10:21] <jdong> Simon80: lsb_release -a is more correct :D
[10:22] <Simon80> jdong: how can it be "more" correct? plus, if the OS isn't ubuntu, that command isn't necessarily there
[10:23] <jdong> Simon80: /etc/issue is a user-editable file... it's what's presented at login. Most of my systems have it customized to the point that the ubuntu version is stripped out
[10:23] <jdong> Simon80: and that command is present on any LSB-compliant or lsb-wannabe distro
[10:23] <Simon80> yeah, but I hoping for a general unix thing I could use
[10:23] <jdong> there's no "generic" for a distro version checker
[10:24] <jdong> uname -a will show you the kernel versions
[10:24] <Simon80> indeed
[10:24] <jdong> lsb_release is actually probably the closest you'll get :-/
[10:24] <jdong> and /etc/*-release is pretty common too
[10:24] <jdong> often times checking what distro you're on takes a bit of detective work
[10:28] <amnesia> jorgp: ok feisty package uploaded
[10:28] <Simon80> feisty as in the changelog says feisty, right?
[10:29] <amnesia> ?
[10:29] <amnesia> unstable
[10:30] <Simon80> oh
[10:30] <Simon80> why unstable?
[10:30] <amnesia> Simon80: what did you mean again? might have missunderstood it
[10:31] <Simon80> I mean the dist thing in the changelog next to the version
[10:31] <amnesia> in my package it's "unstable"
[10:31] <amnesia> not sure who gets to change that, I'm new to packaging
[10:32] <jdong> amnesia: a text editor gets to change that :)
[10:33] <Simon80> ajmitch told me that it should be feisty, so I did that
[10:33] <amnesia> jdong: yeah but dh_make created that file so...
[10:33] <Simon80> lol
[10:33] <amnesia> Simon80: ok thanks, will do that then
[10:33] <amnesia> I kinda believe ajmitch :>
[10:33] <jdong> he's a good one to believe
[10:33] <jdong> speaking of that
[10:33] <Simon80> https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-debhelper.html
[10:34] <jdong> not like it honestly matters :D
[10:34] <amnesia> not like I know what you did ;)
[10:34] <amnesia> Simon80: I know that page, did I miss something?
[10:35] <amnesia> ah there, I see
[10:35] <amnesia> strange that I got "unstable" generated
[10:36] <Simon80> yeah, that's cause these are debian tools
[10:36] <Simon80> https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/gs-pbuilder.html
[10:37] <Simon80> why are there two pbuilder guides???? lol
[10:37] <cmpalmer> jdong: so, in case I missed it... when can I expect to see mediawiki1.7 in the repo?
[10:38] <elektranox> could somebody here re-sync the REVU uploaders keyring?
[10:38] <jdong> cmpalmer: I reopened the ubuntu-archive ticket for mediawiki.... the next time ubuntu-archive processes it is when it'll work in the repo
[10:38] <jdong> cmpalmer: I tried poking an archive admin a second ago to just do it, but he refused, so... :)
[10:39] <cmpalmer> jdong: thanks. :)
[10:42] <ademan> hey i'm goin NUTS on this eclipse-cdt, is it reasonable for me to mess with debian/rules?
[10:42] <ademan> i mean i haven't yet, but would it be a mortal sin if i did?
[10:42] <ademan> and i wanna get this friggin thing packaged
[10:43] <Simon80> what's the situation here?
[10:44] <Simon80> cause if you're packaging from scratch, you would need to edit debian/rules, it's basically a makefile
[10:51] <ademan> Simon80: its the eclipse-cdt it's an existing package that depends on the eclipse package.  Unfortunately the new version of the eclipse package doesn't work with the current version of the eclipse-cdt, so i need to package an upstream update
[10:53] <amnesia> battery running low, g'night
[11:09] <Simon80> ah
[11:09] <Simon80> well, if things have changed and debian/rules needs updating, then have at it I guess... I wouldn't know though
[11:11] <geser> is ok to change debian/rules if it is necessary
[11:11] <geser> e.g. some packages have patches to install .desktop files which needs to modify debian/rules
[11:12] <geser> I already needed to update the debian/rules file in two packages to get it build
[11:21] <rmjb> hello, any MOTU here and have time to REVU a package?
[11:26] <Simon80> yes, please, we need review!
[11:29] <elektranox> "Next, ask the REVU admins in #ubuntu-motu or at  keyring@tiber.tauware.de to re-sync the REVU uploaders keyring, which grants you upload rights to REVU."can somebody of you do so? btw.: why is this not done automatically :/
[11:30] <Simon80> probably cause launchpad doesn't automatically do it when yuo add yourself to universe contributors
[11:32] <lifeless> why is it not cronned ?
[11:32] <Simon80> that's not a cron kind of thing
[11:32] <Simon80> well, I guess taht would be a workaround
[11:33] <Simon80> but I mean, you want to do it whenever someone adds themselves to universe contributors
[11:35] <lifeless> righ
[11:35] <lifeless> but just doing it hourly
[11:35] <lifeless> shrug
[11:40] <elektranox> would dput return an error if my key is not in the list? is the package list updated by cron or automatically?
[11:42] <mr_pouit> every 5 minutes
[11:53] <Simon80> if your key is in the list, the package should show up pretty quickly
[11:53] <Simon80> I just did this for the first time yesterday night
[11:56] <minghua> mr_pouit: are you sure it's done automatically?  last time I heard, it needs manually sync by REVU admins
[11:58] <jdong> mr_pouit: my key had to be manually synced
[11:58] <mr_pouit> minghua: I think new uploaded sources are processed every 5 minutes, but new gpg keys have to be added manually
[11:58] <mr_pouit> yes
[11:58] <jdong> and the REVU deities didn't appreciate my hasty uploading :)
[11:59] <mr_pouit> I think everyone uploaded its first package before having its key added ^^
[11:59] <Simon80> lol
[11:59] <Simon80> I did
[11:59] <theCore> I don't know which VCS to use between subversion and bzr for managing my packages. Any recommendations?
[12:00] <jdong> I suggest bzr
[12:00] <jdong> I've recently switched most of my svn repos to bzr
[12:00] <jdong> svn's server-side IMO is not worth the effort for most projects
[12:00] <jdong> and bzr's branching abilities really do come in handy a lot
[12:01] <theCore> I was thinking creating a local svn repos, so the server-side thing isn't a problem for me
[12:02] <theCore> jdong, what do you use for building the packages?
[12:02] <minghua> mr_pouit: yes.  and I believe elektranox was asking about the gpg key list (although I admit he was quite unclear)
[12:02] <theCore> bzr builddeb?
[12:02] <theCore> or just pbuilder?
[12:02] <jdong> theCore: pbuilder mostly
[12:03] <jdong> theCore: most of my building is in the context of backporting, in which case I use prevu
[12:03] <jdong> (which is a fancy wrapper around pbuilder for backporting work)
[12:03] <theCore> jdong, oh, ok thanks
[12:04] <mr_pouit> minghua: yes you're right, but he said "package list", so I thought he was speaking about something else 
[12:04] <mr_pouit> ^^"
[12:04] <elektranox> I meant this list: http://revu.tauware.de/index.py
[12:05] <elektranox> :S
[12:05] <Simon80> there's a gpg key list?
[12:06] <minghua> A uploader list, more precisely.  See topic.
[12:06] <minghua> elektranox: that list is updated automatically.  but if your gpg key is not synced by admins, you can't upload, and your package won't show up there
[12:07] <theCore> There's another thing I am having trouble with: the directory hierarchy. Is there someone that would be nice enough to show me a "template", or a `ls -R' of their packaging environment?
[12:07] <Simon80> but is there a list you can check?
[12:08] <elektranox> there are no admins online, are they?
[12:10] <minghua> Simon80: yes, in the channel topic
[12:10] <minghua> theCore: no idea about bazaar, but in my SVN repo I just use the most common trunk/, branches/, and tags/ layout
[12:11] <Simon80> minghua, that's the launchpad list, but I mean, a revu list to check if your key is synced
[12:11] <jdong> Simon80: packaging layout for bzr-maintained packages?
[12:12] <Simon80> ?
[12:12] <jdong> Simon80: sorry wrong person
[12:12] <Simon80> lol
[12:12] <jdong> ugh
[12:12] <jdong> I give up for today :)
[12:12] <jdong> time to take a break and work more on my radar detector code
[12:12] <minghua> Simon80: oh, the synced list.  no, it's not visible to public AFAIK