[12:16] <jdong> how would I build a list of all the files in a directory who (1) are not dot-files (2) also do not reside in directories beginning with .?
[12:16] <zOrK> ls directory/* |grep -v . > list.txt
[12:16] <zOrK> (maybe)
[12:17] <jdong> zOrK: that gets rid of anything with a dot :)
[12:17] <jdong> and isn't recursive
[12:17] <jdong> maybe using a combination of find and grep -v with better regex....
[12:17] <zOrK> oh, you want to be showed everything containing .?
[12:17] <jdong> no, just don't show .*
[12:18] <jdong> "hidden files" :)
[12:33] <jdong> Broadcast message from god@north.pole
[12:33] <jdong>         (/dev/pts/2) at 18:32 ...
[12:33] <jdong> The world is going down for system-halt in 60 minutes!
[12:33] <jdong> wow I hate getting those types of e-mails
[12:33] <jdong> am I supposed to find it amusing?
[12:34] <zOrK> yes, you do
[12:34] <mc44> jdong: not santa@north.pole? how odd
[12:34] <jdong> no kidding I thought only Santa lived there
[12:34] <jdong> it gets worse than that
[12:35] <jdong> I get people trying to send me nigerian e-mail scam parodies
[12:35] <jdong> and best part is my spam filter pounces on them too :D
[02:19] <keescook> jdong: find . -type f | fgrep -v /.          ?
[02:20] <jdong> keescook: yeah that's what I eventually used :)
[02:21] <jdong> thanks for the reply
[02:21] <keescook> jdong: sweet.  I've actually wanted to do that before, so that was kind of fun to sit down and figure out.  :)
[02:21] <jdong> :)
[02:21] <jdong> a cheap md5summing system
[02:21] <jdong> keescook: while we're talking.....
[02:22] <jdong> keescook: clamav needs some security love, IIRC
[02:22] <jdong> dapper and edgy I believe
[02:22] <keescook> hm, you sure?
[02:22] <keescook> new stuff?
[02:23] <jdong> 0.88.4->0.88.6's changes, I think
[02:23] <keescook> I swear I did updates during the edgy devel cycle for clamav security.
[02:23] <jdong> maybe I'm mistaken
[02:23] <keescook> and I see that dapper has gotten two updates already
[02:23] <jdong> let me take a closer look
[02:24] <jdong> I'm just going by what others have said to me so far
[02:24] <keescook> the issue people tend to have complained about is the version differences
[02:24] <keescook> but we don't do version bumps, we just do security patches
[02:24] <jdong> I understand that
[02:24] <jdong> let me try to find that e-mail
[02:24] <keescook> so while it says it's 0.88.2, it's got the 0.88.6 updates.  (I think)
[02:24] <jdong> it actually listed two (?) by name
[02:24] <keescook> however, if you find some patches it's missing, I'd love to see them in there.
[02:25] <keescook> a lot of folks use clamav, so I try to keep it up to date even if it's in universe.
[02:25] <jdong> yeah, likewise
[02:25] <keescook> so, dapper's clamav has fixes for CVE-2006-4018 CVE-2006-4182 CVE-2006-5295
[02:26] <jdong> 4182 and 5295 are the ones in that e-mail... which are patched in d-s
[02:26] <jdong> so never mind
[02:26] <keescook> okay, cool.  No problem.  Always good to double-check.  :)
[02:26] <jdong> though 0.88.4's backport... GRR I shouldn't have done that
[02:26] <jdong> that was before your times, keescook :)
[02:27] <keescook> heh
[02:27] <jdong> when I had trouble getting clamav patches for d-s
[02:28] <jdong> hmm... I think my only option here is to backport a newer clamav
[02:28] <keescook> what's the issue?
[02:28] <jdong> dapper-backports has a 0.88.4 backport
[02:28] <jdong> which needs 0.88.6 loving
[02:28] <jdong> so those with backports enabled are still at risk
[02:28] <jdong> since 0.88.4 > 0.88.2
[02:28] <keescook> oooh, the dapper-backports 0.88.4 is vuln.  I see
[02:29] <jdong>  -> Considering  dpkg-dev (>= 1.13.19)
[02:29] <jdong>       Tried versions: 1.13.11ubuntu7 1.13.11ubuntu6
[02:29] <jdong>    -> Does not satisfy version, not trying
[02:29] <jdong> lovely :)
[02:29] <keescook> ack
[02:29] <keescook> let me know what happens with that, I've gotta split.  cya
[02:30] <jdong> have fun
[02:30] <jdong> I think I can backport edgy's to dapper
[02:30] <jdong> for this time around
[02:35] <shawarma> Does anyone here have a debian sid system somewhere?
[02:35] <root> deos anybody knows what's the name of the package which automatic recognizes all the stuff?
[02:35] <shawarma> all the stufF?
[02:36] <minghua> shawarma: I do
[02:36] <shawarma> minghua: Excellent. Could you run 'apt-file serach dsextras.py' for me?
[02:37] <minghua> I don't have apt-file installed
[02:38] <minghua> but you can search at packages.debian.org
[02:38] <jdong> root: I think you mean 'file'?
[02:38] <shawarma> minghua: Oh, really?
[02:38] <shawarma> minghua: I'll do that then.
[02:38] <minghua> (which shows there is no dsextras.py in i386 unstable)
[02:40] <shawarma> minghua: Er.. Yes there is.
[02:40] <shawarma> minghua: python2.3-gtk2
[02:41] <shawarma> minghua: My mistake. python-gtk2
[02:41] <minghua> shawarma: ah yes, I see there is something wrong with javascripts of my browser
[02:43] <fernando> hi all
[02:46] <jdong> minghua: you could've stopped 3 words sooner and we would've accepted that ;-)
[02:47] <minghua> right.
[02:59] <theCore> cool, my setup is coming nicely
[03:05] <theCore> bzr builddeb is very nice
[03:05] <theCore> it does exactly what I wanted
[03:07] <theCore> (sorry guys, I though I was -motu)
[03:07] <theCore> thought I was in*
[04:24] <somerville32> Hey
[04:24] <somerville32> What is the issue with pppoe?
[04:37] <somerville32> What is the big issue with pppoe?
[05:21] <somerville32> Hobbsee, maybe you could elaborate a bit. I don't know anything about the issue so I don't know why there would be a "bug"
[05:21] <somerville32> It seems like a lack of implementation to me
[05:21] <Hobbsee> oh right, i thought you were talking about the pppoe | ppp dependancy thing, which someone was talking about in -bugs
[05:22] <Hobbsee> that simply proves that you didnt give enough information at all, so shouldnt expect to be answered
[05:22] <Hobbsee> at least, in teh way you want, anyway
[05:23] <somerville32> ...
[05:24] <somerville32> I was talking about the fact that you need to use the CLI to configure pppoe
[05:26] <Hobbsee> you didnt say that.
[05:27] <somerville32> Ugh oh.
[05:27] <Hobbsee> [14:37]  <somerville32> What is the big issue with pppoe?
[05:27] <Hobbsee> [14:24]  --> somerville32 has joined this channel (n=somervil@fctnnbsc15w-156034078085.nb.aliant.net).
[05:27] <Hobbsee> [14:24]  <somerville32> Hey
[05:27] <Hobbsee> [14:24]  <somerville32> What is the issue with pppoe?
[05:27] <Hobbsee> ...like i say, you didnt actually say *what* the problem was
[05:27] <Hobbsee> and most people cant mindread
[05:28] <somerville32> They told me you had special powers >.>
[05:29] <somerville32> lol
[05:29] <Hobbsee> i have many.  mind reading...not all the time
[05:30] <somerville32> Anyhows, what is the big issue with developing a solution to the problem of requiring the command line interface to configure Point-to-Point Protocol over Ethernet connections?
[05:30] <Hobbsee> i suspect it's because no one's got both the time and motivation to actually code it.
[05:30] <Hobbsee> if someone's volunteering, then it will be added, i would assume
[05:32] <somerville32> A super-duper-quick fix would be to add zenity as a dep and then use that instead of whiptail.
[05:34] <Hobbsee> you could always file a wishlist bug for it
[05:35] <somerville32> Well, SABDFL said to contact him personally if there was anyone interested in working on it
[05:35] <somerville32> I wonder what the big deal is
[05:37] <Hobbsee> no idea at all.  and i doubt you'll find the people in here on a sunday who do
[08:29] <dilinger> hah!
[08:29] <dilinger> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140059358848
[08:31] <somerville32> :] 
[10:49] <Zdra> is there a reason why I often get almost empty backtraces using bugbuddy ? If I use gdb I get full bt with all symbols...
[11:23] <dade`> ahah alt tab non fa l'anteprima delle finestre minimizzate
[11:23] <dade`> e cos'e' sono in castigo ?
[11:24] <_ion> Yes, the whole Internet obviously speaks Italian.
[11:24] <dade`> ops, sorry
[11:24] <dade`> wrong channel again 
[11:24] <giskard> _ion, yeah you will be assimilated ;)
[04:54] <sfllaw> Yay!  Snow!
[04:54] <rmjb> sfllaw: where?
[04:54] <sfllaw> Here.
[04:54] <sfllaw> In Montral.
[04:54] <rmjb> :) thanks
[04:54] <sfllaw> It's falling upwards.
[04:55] <rmjb> upwards... too much wind?
[04:55] <sfllaw> No, the flakes are big.
[04:55] <sfllaw> And they're picking up draughts.
[04:55] <rmjb> nice
[04:56] <sfllaw> I'd be sad without snow.
[04:57] <rmjb> meh, never miss what you don't have
[04:57] <rmjb> I live on Mars btw
[04:58] <sfllaw> Do you have water?
[04:58] <rmjb> heh, okay I live in the caribbean... lots of water, no snow
[04:59] <sfllaw> I've never been there either.
[05:00] <rmjb> next UDS should be in the caribbean somewhere... suggest it :)
[05:00] <sfllaw> I've suggested a lot of places.
[05:00] <Washboy> Hi. I was wondering if any of the devs of ubuntu has looked on the gobohide patches, and if so, what they thought of it?
[05:04] <sivang> sfllaw: I've never seen real snow 
[05:04] <sfllaw> Lots of people will tell you it's terrible.
[05:04] <sfllaw> But I've always loved snow and I think I always will.
[05:04] <sivang> sfllaw: I think, as already told me the habitants of a town called Ithaca in upstate New York.
[05:04] <keescook> being cold is terrible.  snow is wonderful.  :)
[05:05] <Washboy> ^^.. snow is fun, the cold is not :P.
[05:05] <sivang> sfllaw: I think I could learn to love snow as I love rain
[05:05] <sivang> keescook: get well soon
[05:05] <rmjb> the one time I saw it was great, but I like my warmth... and not having to dread holding a door handle when going into a building
[05:05] <keescook> sivang: eh?  I'm well!  :)
[05:05] <keescook> sivang: I was just meaning that people that hate snow usually don't realize it's the cold that's bad.  :)
[05:05] <sfllaw> rmjb: That's what gloves are for!
[05:06] <sfllaw> keescook: Yeah, being too hot or too cold is no good.
[05:06] <rmjb> some times gloves aren't enough... or maybe I dunno how to buy gloves
[05:06] <sfllaw> You can get really good gloves.
[05:07] <sivang> even if it's cold, as long as it's not humid cold, that is okay 
[05:07] <sivang> humid cold is the worst ever
[05:07] <sfllaw> Like chilly rain.
[05:07] <sivang> it can get irritating even at "warm" temps as 10-15-20C
[05:07] <sivang> which is very common here at the moment
[05:08] <rmjb> 20C is COLD for us in TnT
[05:08] <sivang> sfllaw: something like that, yes, that is why many folks that have chronic breathing problems from Israel felt great even when it was -16 in Montreal or upstate New York.
[05:09] <sivang> sfllaw: (some relatives how had lived there for 2 years over one's post doc. position)
[05:12] <sivang> humid cold is the worst enemy of folks with chronic sinus infections.
[05:12] <sivang> anyway, this is not #ubuntu-medicie
[05:12] <sivang> *medicine
[05:25] <Washboy> I am going to repeat my question ^^.  I was wondering if any of the devs of ubuntu has looked on the gobohide patches, and if so, what they thought of it?
[05:50] <ivoks> it's sunday
[06:00] <bluefoxicy> geeze
[06:00] <bluefoxicy> Mark is awesome
[06:00] <bluefoxicy> is he some kind of bazillionaire?
[06:00] <bluefoxicy> *sabdfl
[06:00] <bluefoxicy> http://www.mozilla.org/security/bug-bounty.html  <-- just found out about this last night
[06:04] <somerville32> bluefoxicy: Yes.
[06:04] <bluefoxicy> heh
[06:09] <Washboy> 8-).. sunday is no excuse! geeks are geeky no matter which day in the week it is :P.
[06:27] <juliux> hi all, i have a problem with the cupsys package under edgy, if i try to install it i get this error http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/5669/
[06:32] <somerville32> juliux: Please file a bug report. This channel isn't for support :)
[06:32] <juliux> somerville32, that isn't a suppor question it is a question about the package;)
[06:33] <somerville32> I don't see a question.
[06:33] <somerville32> :)
[06:34] <juliux> somerville32, i will report a bug report
[06:35] <juliux> somerville32, i think that * Starting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd                                                                                                               cupsd: Child exited on signal 11!
[06:35] <juliux> invoke-rc.d: initscript cupsys, action "start" failed.
[06:35] <juliux>  in the postinstall make nosens because it blocks the correct installation
[06:36] <mdke> the bug report will be fine
[06:37] <mdke> it doesn't help trying to chase up bugs in here, imagine if everyone did that with all the bugs open on Ubuntu!
[07:09] <somerville32> _o/
[07:11] <Keybuk> put that hand down ...
[07:11] <somerville32> _o_
[07:12] <somerville32> keybuk: Are you busy?
[07:13] <dade`> <o/` dance.
[07:14] <dade`> o9 muscle
[07:14] <somerville32> :] 
[07:14] <dade`> /o\ pwnd
[07:14] <dade`> /o/   ..o running
[07:15] <dade`> I'm one of the createst omini artist.
[07:18] <Keybuk> somerville32: what's up?
[07:19] <somerville32> keybuk: I wanted to chat about Xubuntu stuff.
[07:19] <Keybuk> somerville32: oh?
[07:19] <somerville32> Yup.
[07:19] <somerville32> :] 
[07:21] <somerville32> Are you free? :] 
[07:21] <Keybuk> not right now
[07:21] <somerville32> Alright.
[08:18] <somerville32> After Feisty, the development code name should be Galloping Gecko :] 
[08:20] <desrt> that would make the archive name 'galloping'
[08:20] <desrt> not too catchy :)
[08:20] <somerville32> Gleaming goldfish then?
[08:20] <somerville32> Groovy Gator?
[08:21] <desrt> groovy seems like a fairly likely name
[08:21] <desrt> our names have tended to end in y's
[08:21] <somerville32> Maybe the focus of feisty+1 will be multimedia then
[08:23] <jdong> somerville32: you mean like Illegal Iguana or something?
[08:23] <jdong> (oops, that wasn't meant to be a Novell joke... sorry... :D)
[08:23] <somerville32> lol
[08:23] <desrt> pattented perogie
[08:23] <somerville32> Kinky Koala
[08:23] <jdong> somerville32: ooh new artwork!
[08:23] <desrt> wow.  way to misspell both words.
[08:23] <jdong> lol
[08:24] <desrt> http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4484390.html
[08:24] <jdong> any suggestions on testing PHP/MySQL applications without setting up a full-blown Apache?
[08:25] <desrt> jdong: there is a cli version of php
[08:25] <jdong> like some sorta cheap HTTP daemon that could be started just for testing...
[08:25] <desrt> jdong: and you can write your php scripts in such a way that they don't assume cgi
[08:25] <jdong> well then stuff like HTTP form input wouldn't work
[08:25] <desrt> oh.  just install apache.
[08:26] <jdong> lol
[08:26] <jdong> I was figuring that'd be my answer
[08:26] <dade`> hi desrt
[08:26] <desrt> hello dade
[08:26] <dade`> desrt: how is it going with the macbook ?
[08:27] <desrt> dade; haven't had much chance to do any hacking lately.  school has been crushing my soul.
[08:27] <dade`> desrt: mine too, infact I spent time on hacking :P
[09:46] <ailean> ello all
[09:47] <somerville32> Hey
[09:47] <cassidy> any idea when the Herd 1 will be released ?
[09:47] <ailean> does devel go on through the weekend or what? :)
[09:48] <ailean> cassidy, it's there
[09:48] <Mithrandir> ailean: no, it's not.
[09:48] <Mithrandir> cassidy: hopefully tomorrow.
[09:48] <ailean> cassidy, sorry, i thought it was released on thurs
[09:49] <cassidy> Mithrandir: thanks :)
[10:37] <lifeless> are there any other maintainer scripts than 'preinst and postrm' that are usefully able to cotnain dpkg-divert calls ?
[11:10] <somerville32> Whats the package name for that "Add/Remove Applications" program?
[11:10] <Zdra> somerville32: gnome-app-install ?
[11:11] <somerville32> Perfect, thanks
[11:49] <wasabi> initramfs question. Does "prereq" mean only in the current rundir?
[11:49] <wasabi> FOr instance, local-top/evms prereq's udev
[11:49] <wasabi> but udev is in init-bottom
[11:56] <lifeless> wasabi: AFAIK, yes.
[11:58] <wasabi> so that would be a bug which prevents me from booting