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_thumper_Every now and then I seem to be loosing connection09:47
_thumper_so I appologise in advance if I seem to disappear09:48
ddaaack09:48
ddaalifeless: ping10:00
ddaajamesh: ping10:00
ddaapoolie: ping10:00
ddaaSteveA: ping10:00
ddaa_thumper_: ping10:00
ddaaMEETING STARTS10:00
lifelesshi10:00
_thumper_hmm.. lag of 6s but lets go for it10:00
ddaa== Agenda ==10:00
ddaaNext meeting Monday 11 December, 09:00-09:45 UTC.10:00
ddaa * roll call10:00
ddaa * production status10:00
ddaa * status reports10:00
ddaa * motu code-review10:00
ddaa * browsing branches10:00
ddaa== Roll call ==10:00
ddaa * AndrewBennetts  flying to Melbourne for leave/OSDC (4th December).10:00
_thumper_here(ish)10:00
jameshhi10:00
ddaaour senior management is late, but let's proceed10:01
ddaa== Production status ==10:01
ddaaNew rollouts or production problems.10:01
ddaaNothing of note from me.10:01
_thumper_nothing from me :)10:01
jameshthere hasn't been a rollout since last meeting, has there?10:02
ddaaI do not think so10:02
ddaabut there can be other events worth of mention there10:02
ddaanew fires10:03
ddaarollout to no-webapp subsystems10:03
ddaadevpad stuff...10:03
jameshnothing from me then :)10:03
_thumper_next10:03
ddaa== Status reports ==10:03
ddaa * spiv: supermirror-smart-server.10:03
ddaa * jamesh: spec-branches.10:03
ddaa * ddaa: pyrex.10:03
ddaa * poolie: bzr-lp features.10:03
ddaaspiv is excused10:03
ddaahu10:03
jameshspec-branches is landed and running on staging10:03
jameshso can be taken off the list for next meeting10:04
_thumper_jamesh: thanks for that work btw10:04
_thumper_I appreciate it10:04
ddaa_thumper_: did you have a look at it?10:04
_thumper_brief glance, but spent more time going through work emails and meeting notes10:05
_thumper_to see what y'all were up to10:05
ddaafair enough10:05
ddaawe should both try to review the stuff on staging10:05
jameshI gave him the rocketfuel revno to get a diff10:05
pooliei haven't worked on bzr-lp features, but i talked to ddaa and am happy to see his new document10:05
ddaapoolie: actually sabdfl sort of pirated the stuff I started writing10:06
ddaatalk more about this later10:06
ddaapyrex: spiv started reviewing the early code, no major complaint except lack of copyright notices, docstrings, etc. The usual.10:06
ddaaI think that's all for the status reports.10:07
ddaa== Motu code-review ==10:07
ddaaUbuntu wants to use launcphad-bazaar in mentoring MOTUs: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/code-review10:07
ddaaThat will give more exposure to bzr and launchpad-bazaar to the wider Ubuntu community. But launchpad-bazaar lacks critical features needed by this specification. In particular:10:07
ddaa * bug 73975: Email notification for subscribed branches is not implemented. https://launchpad.net/bugs/7397510:07
ddaa * bug 58889: Merged and abandoned branch should not appear in main branch listings. https://launchpad.net/bugs/5888910:07
ddaa * bug 71303: Branch listings could do with status filtering. https://launchpad.net/bugs/7130310:07
ddaaEverybody please read this spec, and probably subscribe to it.10:07
lifelessif we shoud subscribe, subscribe us10:07
ddaalifeless: well, I still want to give people the option to decide whether they are really interested10:08
ddaaso "Everybody please read this spec"10:08
poolieit's still good to explain it briefly in the meeting10:08
ddaathey want to put ./debian dirs in bzr branches10:08
ddaain a team called "revu"10:09
ddaain individual products10:09
ddaa(I commented on this, I think the ./debian branches should be in something else than the products proper)10:09
lifelesswell10:09
ddaaand use email subscription to keep track of stuff10:09
lifelessoften packaging with a VCS will in fact change things outside 'debian'10:10
poolieok 10:10
ddaaeventually, use the review system when it's there, but the lack of email subscription is really the big blocker10:10
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poolieso, ddaa, are you managing the bzr-lp side of this?10:10
lifelessso please dont push the agenda of configs or whatever too hard - its almost certain to be a pain overall at this point10:10
ddaalifeless: you are more than welcome to comment on the spec. My main point was that the product is for stuff that's of upstream interest, and a ./debian dir for a specific distro is not.10:10
ddaain particular since they talk of putting _only_ ./debian10:11
_thumper_sorry about that10:11
ddaapoolie: I'm happy to try managing it10:11
ddaanaturally I'll only have as much authority as SteveA and you give me :)10:11
ddaabut I'm not going to have the time to do the bulk coding10:12
ddaaso I'm leaning towards _thumper_ for help :)10:12
_thumper_ddaa, missed the start of that conversation I'm afraid10:12
_thumper_is this channel logged?10:12
_thumper_and if so where?10:12
poolieddaa sends out logs after the meeting10:13
_thumper_ok...10:13
ddaa_thumper_: https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/file8XGyKe.html10:13
ddaa_thumper_: in short, branch email notification suddenly became urgent-important10:14
poolieis anyone working on those bugs?10:14
ddaapoolie: no10:14
_thumper_ddaa: ack10:14
ddaabug 58889 is not large, so I can try doing it10:14
pooliethey seem to be in the ddaa/thumper area...10:15
ddaayeah, they all are pretty much ddaa/thumper stuff10:15
poolieddaa, can you help tim work out how to do them?10:15
ddaathough jamesh has been seen to help on this sort of thing occasionally in the past10:15
ddaapoolie: that's my plan10:15
poolie_thumper_: is that ok with you?10:15
ddaajamesh: how's your load looking nowadays?10:16
jameshddaa: I've got some bug import code to finish off, which is a priority10:16
jameshddaa: but I can help out afterwards/.10:16
ddaajamesh: great10:16
poolieddaa, please schedule a regular item to look at progress towards this10:17
ddaapoolie: sure10:17
poolieddaa, who's driving this from the distro? who sent it to you?10:17
ddaamh... I do not have a clear correspondant, I'll just talk to whoever is responsible for implementing the ubuntu spec10:18
ddaathat's dholbach10:18
lifelessI believe mark is initiating it 10:18
lifelesson the basis of singapore10:18
lifelessso it needs an owner in the distro, and its 99% likely that will be dholbach10:18
poolieok 10:19
ddaayeah, dholbach is the one who filed bug 71303 (status filtering)10:19
poolielet's say it's him till he says otherwise10:19
ddaapoolie: anything else on this topic?10:19
pooliethis is really good: not too many more things to fix and real visible benefits10:20
poolieok next?10:20
ddaa== Browsing branches ==10:20
ddaaThe first two question I get asked by people interested in bzr are: 1. why should I use bzr instead of foo? 2. does it have a web interface10:20
ddaaOnce, I pointed to http://goffredo-baroncelli.homelinux.net/bazaar, but this site was (is still?) "slower than molasses in Canadian winter".10:20
ddaaI think we should provide some serious branch browsing facility on Launchpad ASAP. Lacking one is a blocker to "making Launchpad a compelling reason to use bzr". (You are going to hear those words very often in the next months).10:20
ddaaunfortunately, spiv who's the current assignee for this task is away10:20
ddaajamesh and spiv know what this should look like10:21
ddaaso this will wait one more week, I guess10:21
poolieddaa: i agree it's important10:21
ddaaMy point is, we really get moving on this stuff. People want to see shiny web browsing to take bzr seriously. Lacking this is harming adoption.10:22
jameshmy understanding was that we were planning to use webserve10:22
ddaajamesh: yes10:22
jameshso if webserve is too slow, then we'll need to address that10:22
pooliei think spiv may still be busy for a while10:22
pooliefrankly i'd rather fix webserve first, then put it on lp10:22
lifelessIf this is urgent, I suggest reassigning the task10:22
lifelessas the smart server is also very important10:22
pooliesince people really want something they can use themselves10:23
ddaajamesh: in the short term, we can probably just throw one big machine at it and adress the glue and deployment issues10:23
pooliejamesh, what's on for you once your current crunch finishes?10:23
ddaathis sort of thing tend to take one or two weeks just to adress the deployment aspect, even with all the launchpad glue implemented10:24
jameshpoolie: nothing in particular for a bit (there'll be a sprint in late January for porting LP over to the new ORM)10:24
ddaathen, if it's too slow we should of course adress the performance10:24
jameshso I may be able to help out with some of this10:25
ddaapoolie: by the time we get there, it would be good if you could propose a mechanism to identify the performance issues in production10:25
ddaathere will also be a need for some Q&A oops-like system10:25
pooliejamesh: that would be really good 10:25
jameshthe slowness could just be from not caching enough stuff between requests10:25
ddaaperformance speculation, schmeculation10:26
poolieit is also in need of some ui improvement10:26
pooliejamesh: let's talk next monday?10:26
ddaapoolie: is webserve the best thing we have today?10:27
ddaain term of web ui10:27
poolieat least to see how you're getting on etc10:27
poolieddaa:  afaik10:27
jameshpoolie: okay.10:27
ddaapoolie: then let's stick to it, regardless of how much improvement it could benefit from :)10:27
poolieddaa: i think it can be improved without throwing it out10:28
ddaaokay, item reported to next week, we'll see if jamesh is in position to take it at this point10:28
ddaaAmazingly enough, we are at the end of the agenda, ahead of time.10:29
ddaa== Anything else? ==10:29
ddaapoolie: you usually have a few of those up your sleeve :)10:29
ddaaactually, the right wording is == Any other business? ==10:29
pooliejust one thing: if you're taking leave other than the shutdown, please send mail about it today or tomorrow10:31
poolieso we all know10:31
poolieddaa: nice work on the 2007h1 document10:31
ddaapoolie: right, that's the other business10:32
ddaaso, I started writing something up10:32
poolienow let's do it :)10:32
ddaathen sabdfl saw it and though "great idea"10:32
ddaathen went away and rewrote it all10:32
jameshnow it is better? :)10:32
ddaait's different10:32
ddaanow, it's input from sabdfl, what he consider is important10:32
ddaaI plan to continue working on the stuff _I_ wrote, and circulate it privately to mpool and SteveA (that's Steve suggestion)10:33
ddaaWhen it becomes clearer, it'll land on the wiki10:34
poolieddaa, ok, let's have a brief call to talk about that10:34
poolieanything else for here?10:34
ddaanothing else for this meeting10:34
ddaaMEETING CLOSED10:35
ddaathank you all for participating10:35
pooliequick exit from tim :)10:35
ddaaexcept _thumper_ who needs to get a better breed of carrier pigeons for his internet connection10:36
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poolieddaa: skype?10:37
ddaapoolie: fine10:37
_thumper_sorry that took so long to come back10:37
_thumper_had to switch to another machine10:37
_thumper_and download irc software10:37
ddaa_thumper_: I'll write minutes soon, you'll have it all then10:37
_thumper_it seems that linux doesn't deal too well with the low signal10:37
_thumper_so I've missed it all?10:37
poolieyep10:37
_thumper_arse10:37
_thumper_and I was SO looking forward to it10:38
jamesh_thumper_: the channel should be logged at http://tinyurl.com/72w3910:38
poolieread the minutes, and let's talk tomorrow10:38
_thumper_ok10:38
_thumper_poolie, what time are you off?10:38
pooliethumper, can you make sure your current numbers are on the wiki10:38
poolie123010:38
poolieso let's talk before i go10:38
_thumper_wiki mobile number is correct10:38
_thumper_ok10:39
pooliemaybe from the airport-10:39
pooliegreat10:39
_thumper_ok, I'm off to bed then10:40
poolienight10:40
_thumper_roll on the 12 UTC lp meeting10:40
_thumper_:)10:40
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