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_thumper_ | Every now and then I seem to be loosing connection | 09:47 |
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_thumper_ | so I appologise in advance if I seem to disappear | 09:48 |
ddaa | ack | 09:48 |
ddaa | lifeless: ping | 10:00 |
ddaa | jamesh: ping | 10:00 |
ddaa | poolie: ping | 10:00 |
ddaa | SteveA: ping | 10:00 |
ddaa | _thumper_: ping | 10:00 |
ddaa | MEETING STARTS | 10:00 |
lifeless | hi | 10:00 |
_thumper_ | hmm.. lag of 6s but lets go for it | 10:00 |
ddaa | == Agenda == | 10:00 |
ddaa | Next meeting Monday 11 December, 09:00-09:45 UTC. | 10:00 |
ddaa | * roll call | 10:00 |
ddaa | * production status | 10:00 |
ddaa | * status reports | 10:00 |
ddaa | * motu code-review | 10:00 |
ddaa | * browsing branches | 10:00 |
ddaa | == Roll call == | 10:00 |
ddaa | * AndrewBennetts flying to Melbourne for leave/OSDC (4th December). | 10:00 |
_thumper_ | here(ish) | 10:00 |
jamesh | hi | 10:00 |
ddaa | our senior management is late, but let's proceed | 10:01 |
ddaa | == Production status == | 10:01 |
ddaa | New rollouts or production problems. | 10:01 |
ddaa | Nothing of note from me. | 10:01 |
_thumper_ | nothing from me :) | 10:01 |
jamesh | there hasn't been a rollout since last meeting, has there? | 10:02 |
ddaa | I do not think so | 10:02 |
ddaa | but there can be other events worth of mention there | 10:02 |
ddaa | new fires | 10:03 |
ddaa | rollout to no-webapp subsystems | 10:03 |
ddaa | devpad stuff... | 10:03 |
jamesh | nothing from me then :) | 10:03 |
_thumper_ | next | 10:03 |
ddaa | == Status reports == | 10:03 |
ddaa | * spiv: supermirror-smart-server. | 10:03 |
ddaa | * jamesh: spec-branches. | 10:03 |
ddaa | * ddaa: pyrex. | 10:03 |
ddaa | * poolie: bzr-lp features. | 10:03 |
ddaa | spiv is excused | 10:03 |
ddaa | hu | 10:03 |
jamesh | spec-branches is landed and running on staging | 10:03 |
jamesh | so can be taken off the list for next meeting | 10:04 |
_thumper_ | jamesh: thanks for that work btw | 10:04 |
_thumper_ | I appreciate it | 10:04 |
ddaa | _thumper_: did you have a look at it? | 10:04 |
_thumper_ | brief glance, but spent more time going through work emails and meeting notes | 10:05 |
_thumper_ | to see what y'all were up to | 10:05 |
ddaa | fair enough | 10:05 |
ddaa | we should both try to review the stuff on staging | 10:05 |
jamesh | I gave him the rocketfuel revno to get a diff | 10:05 |
poolie | i haven't worked on bzr-lp features, but i talked to ddaa and am happy to see his new document | 10:05 |
ddaa | poolie: actually sabdfl sort of pirated the stuff I started writing | 10:06 |
ddaa | talk more about this later | 10:06 |
ddaa | pyrex: spiv started reviewing the early code, no major complaint except lack of copyright notices, docstrings, etc. The usual. | 10:06 |
ddaa | I think that's all for the status reports. | 10:07 |
ddaa | == Motu code-review == | 10:07 |
ddaa | Ubuntu wants to use launcphad-bazaar in mentoring MOTUs: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/code-review | 10:07 |
ddaa | That will give more exposure to bzr and launchpad-bazaar to the wider Ubuntu community. But launchpad-bazaar lacks critical features needed by this specification. In particular: | 10:07 |
ddaa | * bug 73975: Email notification for subscribed branches is not implemented. https://launchpad.net/bugs/73975 | 10:07 |
ddaa | * bug 58889: Merged and abandoned branch should not appear in main branch listings. https://launchpad.net/bugs/58889 | 10:07 |
ddaa | * bug 71303: Branch listings could do with status filtering. https://launchpad.net/bugs/71303 | 10:07 |
ddaa | Everybody please read this spec, and probably subscribe to it. | 10:07 |
lifeless | if we shoud subscribe, subscribe us | 10:07 |
ddaa | lifeless: well, I still want to give people the option to decide whether they are really interested | 10:08 |
ddaa | so "Everybody please read this spec" | 10:08 |
poolie | it's still good to explain it briefly in the meeting | 10:08 |
ddaa | they want to put ./debian dirs in bzr branches | 10:08 |
ddaa | in a team called "revu" | 10:09 |
ddaa | in individual products | 10:09 |
ddaa | (I commented on this, I think the ./debian branches should be in something else than the products proper) | 10:09 |
lifeless | well | 10:09 |
ddaa | and use email subscription to keep track of stuff | 10:09 |
lifeless | often packaging with a VCS will in fact change things outside 'debian' | 10:10 |
poolie | ok | 10:10 |
ddaa | eventually, use the review system when it's there, but the lack of email subscription is really the big blocker | 10:10 |
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poolie | so, ddaa, are you managing the bzr-lp side of this? | 10:10 |
lifeless | so please dont push the agenda of configs or whatever too hard - its almost certain to be a pain overall at this point | 10:10 |
ddaa | lifeless: you are more than welcome to comment on the spec. My main point was that the product is for stuff that's of upstream interest, and a ./debian dir for a specific distro is not. | 10:10 |
ddaa | in particular since they talk of putting _only_ ./debian | 10:11 |
_thumper_ | sorry about that | 10:11 |
ddaa | poolie: I'm happy to try managing it | 10:11 |
ddaa | naturally I'll only have as much authority as SteveA and you give me :) | 10:11 |
ddaa | but I'm not going to have the time to do the bulk coding | 10:12 |
ddaa | so I'm leaning towards _thumper_ for help :) | 10:12 |
_thumper_ | ddaa, missed the start of that conversation I'm afraid | 10:12 |
_thumper_ | is this channel logged? | 10:12 |
_thumper_ | and if so where? | 10:12 |
poolie | ddaa sends out logs after the meeting | 10:13 |
_thumper_ | ok... | 10:13 |
ddaa | _thumper_: https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/file8XGyKe.html | 10:13 |
ddaa | _thumper_: in short, branch email notification suddenly became urgent-important | 10:14 |
poolie | is anyone working on those bugs? | 10:14 |
ddaa | poolie: no | 10:14 |
_thumper_ | ddaa: ack | 10:14 |
ddaa | bug 58889 is not large, so I can try doing it | 10:14 |
poolie | they seem to be in the ddaa/thumper area... | 10:15 |
ddaa | yeah, they all are pretty much ddaa/thumper stuff | 10:15 |
poolie | ddaa, can you help tim work out how to do them? | 10:15 |
ddaa | though jamesh has been seen to help on this sort of thing occasionally in the past | 10:15 |
ddaa | poolie: that's my plan | 10:15 |
poolie | _thumper_: is that ok with you? | 10:15 |
ddaa | jamesh: how's your load looking nowadays? | 10:16 |
jamesh | ddaa: I've got some bug import code to finish off, which is a priority | 10:16 |
jamesh | ddaa: but I can help out afterwards/. | 10:16 |
ddaa | jamesh: great | 10:16 |
poolie | ddaa, please schedule a regular item to look at progress towards this | 10:17 |
ddaa | poolie: sure | 10:17 |
poolie | ddaa, who's driving this from the distro? who sent it to you? | 10:17 |
ddaa | mh... I do not have a clear correspondant, I'll just talk to whoever is responsible for implementing the ubuntu spec | 10:18 |
ddaa | that's dholbach | 10:18 |
lifeless | I believe mark is initiating it | 10:18 |
lifeless | on the basis of singapore | 10:18 |
lifeless | so it needs an owner in the distro, and its 99% likely that will be dholbach | 10:18 |
poolie | ok | 10:19 |
ddaa | yeah, dholbach is the one who filed bug 71303 (status filtering) | 10:19 |
poolie | let's say it's him till he says otherwise | 10:19 |
ddaa | poolie: anything else on this topic? | 10:19 |
poolie | this is really good: not too many more things to fix and real visible benefits | 10:20 |
poolie | ok next? | 10:20 |
ddaa | == Browsing branches == | 10:20 |
ddaa | The first two question I get asked by people interested in bzr are: 1. why should I use bzr instead of foo? 2. does it have a web interface | 10:20 |
ddaa | Once, I pointed to http://goffredo-baroncelli.homelinux.net/bazaar, but this site was (is still?) "slower than molasses in Canadian winter". | 10:20 |
ddaa | I think we should provide some serious branch browsing facility on Launchpad ASAP. Lacking one is a blocker to "making Launchpad a compelling reason to use bzr". (You are going to hear those words very often in the next months). | 10:20 |
ddaa | unfortunately, spiv who's the current assignee for this task is away | 10:20 |
ddaa | jamesh and spiv know what this should look like | 10:21 |
ddaa | so this will wait one more week, I guess | 10:21 |
poolie | ddaa: i agree it's important | 10:21 |
ddaa | My point is, we really get moving on this stuff. People want to see shiny web browsing to take bzr seriously. Lacking this is harming adoption. | 10:22 |
jamesh | my understanding was that we were planning to use webserve | 10:22 |
ddaa | jamesh: yes | 10:22 |
jamesh | so if webserve is too slow, then we'll need to address that | 10:22 |
poolie | i think spiv may still be busy for a while | 10:22 |
poolie | frankly i'd rather fix webserve first, then put it on lp | 10:22 |
lifeless | If this is urgent, I suggest reassigning the task | 10:22 |
lifeless | as the smart server is also very important | 10:22 |
poolie | since people really want something they can use themselves | 10:23 |
ddaa | jamesh: in the short term, we can probably just throw one big machine at it and adress the glue and deployment issues | 10:23 |
poolie | jamesh, what's on for you once your current crunch finishes? | 10:23 |
ddaa | this sort of thing tend to take one or two weeks just to adress the deployment aspect, even with all the launchpad glue implemented | 10:24 |
jamesh | poolie: nothing in particular for a bit (there'll be a sprint in late January for porting LP over to the new ORM) | 10:24 |
ddaa | then, if it's too slow we should of course adress the performance | 10:24 |
jamesh | so I may be able to help out with some of this | 10:25 |
ddaa | poolie: by the time we get there, it would be good if you could propose a mechanism to identify the performance issues in production | 10:25 |
ddaa | there will also be a need for some Q&A oops-like system | 10:25 |
poolie | jamesh: that would be really good | 10:25 |
jamesh | the slowness could just be from not caching enough stuff between requests | 10:25 |
ddaa | performance speculation, schmeculation | 10:26 |
poolie | it is also in need of some ui improvement | 10:26 |
poolie | jamesh: let's talk next monday? | 10:26 |
ddaa | poolie: is webserve the best thing we have today? | 10:27 |
ddaa | in term of web ui | 10:27 |
poolie | at least to see how you're getting on etc | 10:27 |
poolie | ddaa: afaik | 10:27 |
jamesh | poolie: okay. | 10:27 |
ddaa | poolie: then let's stick to it, regardless of how much improvement it could benefit from :) | 10:27 |
poolie | ddaa: i think it can be improved without throwing it out | 10:28 |
ddaa | okay, item reported to next week, we'll see if jamesh is in position to take it at this point | 10:28 |
ddaa | Amazingly enough, we are at the end of the agenda, ahead of time. | 10:29 |
ddaa | == Anything else? == | 10:29 |
ddaa | poolie: you usually have a few of those up your sleeve :) | 10:29 |
ddaa | actually, the right wording is == Any other business? == | 10:29 |
poolie | just one thing: if you're taking leave other than the shutdown, please send mail about it today or tomorrow | 10:31 |
poolie | so we all know | 10:31 |
poolie | ddaa: nice work on the 2007h1 document | 10:31 |
ddaa | poolie: right, that's the other business | 10:32 |
ddaa | so, I started writing something up | 10:32 |
poolie | now let's do it :) | 10:32 |
ddaa | then sabdfl saw it and though "great idea" | 10:32 |
ddaa | then went away and rewrote it all | 10:32 |
jamesh | now it is better? :) | 10:32 |
ddaa | it's different | 10:32 |
ddaa | now, it's input from sabdfl, what he consider is important | 10:32 |
ddaa | I plan to continue working on the stuff _I_ wrote, and circulate it privately to mpool and SteveA (that's Steve suggestion) | 10:33 |
ddaa | When it becomes clearer, it'll land on the wiki | 10:34 |
poolie | ddaa, ok, let's have a brief call to talk about that | 10:34 |
poolie | anything else for here? | 10:34 |
ddaa | nothing else for this meeting | 10:34 |
ddaa | MEETING CLOSED | 10:35 |
ddaa | thank you all for participating | 10:35 |
poolie | quick exit from tim :) | 10:35 |
ddaa | except _thumper_ who needs to get a better breed of carrier pigeons for his internet connection | 10:36 |
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poolie | ddaa: skype? | 10:37 |
ddaa | poolie: fine | 10:37 |
_thumper_ | sorry that took so long to come back | 10:37 |
_thumper_ | had to switch to another machine | 10:37 |
_thumper_ | and download irc software | 10:37 |
ddaa | _thumper_: I'll write minutes soon, you'll have it all then | 10:37 |
_thumper_ | it seems that linux doesn't deal too well with the low signal | 10:37 |
_thumper_ | so I've missed it all? | 10:37 |
poolie | yep | 10:37 |
_thumper_ | arse | 10:37 |
_thumper_ | and I was SO looking forward to it | 10:38 |
jamesh | _thumper_: the channel should be logged at http://tinyurl.com/72w39 | 10:38 |
poolie | read the minutes, and let's talk tomorrow | 10:38 |
_thumper_ | ok | 10:38 |
_thumper_ | poolie, what time are you off? | 10:38 |
poolie | thumper, can you make sure your current numbers are on the wiki | 10:38 |
poolie | 1230 | 10:38 |
poolie | so let's talk before i go | 10:38 |
_thumper_ | wiki mobile number is correct | 10:38 |
_thumper_ | ok | 10:39 |
poolie | maybe from the airport- | 10:39 |
poolie | great | 10:39 |
_thumper_ | ok, I'm off to bed then | 10:40 |
poolie | night | 10:40 |
_thumper_ | roll on the 12 UTC lp meeting | 10:40 |
_thumper_ | :) | 10:40 |
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