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| Ubugtu | New bug: #74315 in launchpad "wget https://launchpad.net fails with certificate error" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/74315 | 12:50 |
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| Ubugtu | New bug: #74318 in malone ""Include attachment" checkbox should not exist" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/74318 | 01:00 |
| mpt | SteveA, still around? | 01:27 |
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| _thumper_ | mpt: ping | 02:01 |
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| mpt | _thumper_, pong | 02:42 |
| _thumper_ | mpt: didn't you say something at some stage about coming down south in december? | 02:43 |
| mpt | _thumper_, yes, I'll be in Dunedin from this Friday to next Wednesday | 02:45 |
| ajmitch | coming to enjoy summer in the south | 02:45 |
| _thumper_ | mpt: is it leave or working? I'd like to meet up some time | 02:45 |
| _thumper_ | icebergs and all :) | 02:46 |
| mpt | _thumper_, leave | 02:51 |
| mpt | So yes, lunch sometime would be great | 02:51 |
| mpt | And what's this about icebergs? | 02:51 |
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| _thumper_ | there are icebergs floating off the Dunedin coast | 02:52 |
| _thumper_ | how could you not have heard that? | 02:52 |
| _thumper_ | mpt: it was a reference to ajmitch and summer, I should really learn to prefix ids :) | 02:53 |
| mpt | ajmitch? summer? icebergs? | 02:56 |
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| _thumper_ | mpt: [14:45] <ajmitch> coming to enjoy summer in the south | 03:00 |
| mpt | Icebergs off Dunedin? Coooool | 03:00 |
| mpt | Are they the ones people are getting married on? | 03:01 |
| _thumper_ | mpt: yeah, they are running sightseeing flights daily, and yes to attempted marriage | 03:01 |
| mpt | "attempted marriage", sounds like "attempted burglary" | 03:01 |
| _thumper_ | supposidly there are another 6 on their way up from antartica | 03:02 |
| _thumper_ | biggest measuring almost 1km | 03:02 |
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| mpt | Antarctica's melting and flooding us all, huh | 03:02 |
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| jamesh | _thumper_: I finished off your spec-branches branch and merged it while you were moving. | 03:05 |
| jamesh | it's up on staging now | 03:05 |
| _thumper_ | jamesh: thanks, ddaa mentioned that to me | 03:05 |
| _thumper_ | jamesh: how do I see staging? | 03:06 |
| jamesh | _thumper_: https://staging.launchpad.net/ | 03:06 |
| _thumper_ | jamesh: ta | 03:06 |
| jamesh | _thumper_: if you do "bzr diff -r 4278..4279" for rocketfuel, you'll see the completed changes. | 03:07 |
| _thumper_ | thanks | 03:08 |
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| wasabi | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu | 04:16 |
| wasabi | timeout. | 04:16 |
| jamesh | wasabi: got an OOPS number? | 04:22 |
| wasabi | Buh. No. Sorry. I'm an idiot and hit refresh. | 04:24 |
| wasabi | And it started working. ;) | 04:24 |
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| l0fty | hello, I have a launchpad feature request and I'm not sure how to submit it. | 07:53 |
| l0fty | All it is, is it would be helpful if you could search by package name in the bug tracker. | 07:54 |
| poolie | that should already be possible... | 07:55 |
| poolie | to file a bug | 07:56 |
| jamesh | l0fty: if you go to the package's page and click "Bugs", you'll get a bug listing narrowed to that distro/package | 07:56 |
| _thumper_ | hey poolie, | 07:56 |
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| poolie | hi thumper | 07:57 |
| l0fty | jamesh: OK, thanks | 07:57 |
| _thumper_ | poolie, are you at osdc for all four days too? | 07:57 |
| poolie | i just realized i should plan to talk to you earlier in the day now | 07:57 |
| jamesh | l0fty: e.g. https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/python2.5/+bugs | 07:57 |
| _thumper_ | :) | 07:57 |
| _thumper_ | poolie: no worries, spent the day catching up on work emails and reading meeting notes | 07:57 |
| jamesh | l0fty: you can enter a search term there and it will only search for bugs on that package. | 07:57 |
| poolie | _thumper_: only wed-fri, but travelling tomorrow | 07:58 |
| _thumper_ | poolie: ok, should be fun | 07:58 |
| poolie | l0fty: for future reference you can file bugs at https://bugs.launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bugs | 07:59 |
| poolie | but asking here may be best | 07:59 |
| jamesh | l0fty: iirc there is a spec for adding boogle-style searching to Launchpad | 08:00 |
| jamesh | which might allow you to do searches like "package:tzdata foo" | 08:00 |
| jamesh | but that hasn't been implemented yet | 08:00 |
| l0fty | I just tried to find the page for 'listen' and it's either not a full ubuntu package (unlikely as I'm running it) or else the search engine isn't picking it up. | 08:01 |
| l0fty | I did a search for 'packages containing listen' | 08:02 |
| l0fty | Just saying there should be a simple, obvious way to go straight to the page for a given package, and there isn't one AFAICS | 08:03 |
| jamesh | l0fty: weird. I wonder why it didn't find that package. | 08:05 |
| jamesh | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/listen <- it is definitely in LP | 08:05 |
| l0fty | maybe the package doesn't have 'listen' in the description? | 08:05 |
| jamesh | maybe | 08:06 |
| jamesh | but I'd expect the search to match package names ... | 08:06 |
| l0fty | don't know. Thanks for your help - I found the page anyway. | 08:08 |
| BjornT_ | jamesh, l0fty: the script that updates the cache that the search uses is broken, so that's probably why the package wasn't found. | 08:16 |
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| ddaa | good morning | 09:08 |
| _thumper_ | morning ddaa | 09:09 |
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| ddaa | Hello _thumper_ | 09:13 |
| ddaa | welcome aboard | 09:13 |
| ddaa | life vests are under your seat | 09:13 |
| ddaa | in case of sudden cabin depressurization, hold on to your coffee mug | 09:13 |
| _thumper_ | fun and games for all to enjoy | 09:14 |
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| lifeless | review meeting in 9 minutes | 10:51 |
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| Ubugtu | New bug: #74361 in rosetta "Use appropriate marking for KDE plural forms" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/74361 | 11:00 |
| lifeless | meeting time | 11:01 |
| lifeless | who is here ? | 11:01 |
| jamesh | I am | 11:01 |
| BjornT_ | me | 11:01 |
| lifeless | * Roll call | 11:02 |
| lifeless | * Queue status. | 11:03 |
| lifeless | * reviewers to discuss ideas and principles for keeping branch review quick (was on LP meeting agenda) | 11:03 |
| lifeless | * lifeless on leave | 11:03 |
| lifeless | https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/pending-reviews/ is the queue | 11:04 |
| lifeless | as usual :) | 11:04 |
| lifeless | its better than it was, but the oldest branches aren't moving | 11:05 |
| lifeless | BjornT_: david/cscvs/svn-peg-revision ? | 11:05 |
| lifeless | jamesh: flacoste/launchpad/tt-localized-requests-notifications? | 11:05 |
| jamesh | I think the three pyrex ones are the same as what spiv just reviewed | 11:05 |
| jamesh | lifeless: sent a review off a little while ago | 11:05 |
| lifeless | yah, I'm ignoring those | 11:06 |
| lifeless | and the one of kikos, that hes explained about on list | 11:06 |
| jamesh | looks like it is coming under control | 11:06 |
| BjornT_ | lifeless: right, i should sort that one out. it probably shouldn't be in needs-review. i'll talk to ddaa about it after the meeting. | 11:06 |
| lifeless | BjornT_: thanks | 11:07 |
| lifeless | Keeping Branch review quick. | 11:07 |
| jamesh | related to that, BjornT mentioned getting pending-reviews to do incremental diffs | 11:09 |
| lifeless | yes | 11:10 |
| lifeless | this is a feature I have requested from launchpads review system | 11:10 |
| jamesh | does the algorithm I posted on that bug sound correct to you? | 11:11 |
| lifeless | I think doing it by hand is reasonable for now | 11:11 |
| lifeless | BjornT: Have you encountered interdiff ? | 11:11 |
| lifeless | jamesh: Haven't seen it. Bug # ? | 11:11 |
| jamesh | https://bugs.launchpad.net/products/launchpad-development-infrastructure/+bug/74011 | 11:11 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 74011 in launchpad-development-infrastructure "Allow saying against which branch a diff should be produced from" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 11:11 |
| lifeless | jamesh: ahr, different things | 11:11 |
| BjornT | lifeless: what's interdiff? | 11:11 |
| lifeless | BjornT: its a tool for seeing the diff between two diffs | 11:11 |
| lifeless | BjornT: so you can see what has changed from one 'pending merge' diff to another | 11:12 |
| lifeless | this lets you see that when Fred says "Ive added docstrings", you can see what they are | 11:12 |
| jamesh | lifeless: the algorithm I mentioned isn't just picking a different rocketfuel branch | 11:12 |
| lifeless | jamesh: lets call diffing against specific branches, diffing against non-trunk, or something ? | 11:13 |
| BjornT | lifeless: ah. that could be useful. usually i get the branch and produce the diff using bzr instead. | 11:13 |
| jamesh | lifeless: I think we still want to get a diff in terms of the trunk, but between the results of two merges to the trunk | 11:13 |
| lifeless | jamesh: yes, your algorithm looks correct. | 11:14 |
| lifeless | jamesh: might be optimisable | 11:14 |
| jamesh | lifeless: I think you need to involve the trunk for the way people develop -- otherwise you pick up unrelated changes related to merges from rocketfuel | 11:14 |
| jamesh | which the reviewer doesn't care about | 11:15 |
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| lifeless | jamesh: sure, but you could merge trunk -> B, commit, merge A-> that dir, diff, uncommit | 11:15 |
| lifeless | or variations | 11:15 |
| lifeless | so, this is something I've been meaning to discuss. | 11:16 |
| lifeless | I suggest that when you do a review, you save the diff that you reviewed, locally. | 11:16 |
| lifeless | then when you do a follow up review, you save the new diff, and use interdiff between them | 11:16 |
| lifeless | tell me how that works, whether its easy to work with or not -> this will be input into _thumper_s work on reviews-in-launchpad | 11:16 |
| jamesh | would it be helpful if the pending-reviews script included any more metadata at the top of the diff? | 11:17 |
| jamesh | (e.g. branch names plus revision numbers?) | 11:17 |
| lifeless | yeah | 11:17 |
| BjornT | yeah, that would help. | 11:17 |
| lifeless | branch: foo\nrevno: X\n | 11:17 |
| jamesh | you'll notice that the conflicts list is at the top of the diff these days | 11:18 |
| jamesh | rather than a separate file | 11:18 |
| lifeless | so what can we do to make it easier to work on smaller bits of code | 11:18 |
| lifeless | is it a knack thing, or is it tech ? | 11:18 |
| lifeless | I think its largely a knack, and some discipline | 11:19 |
| Ubugtu | New bug: #74364 in malone "Shouldn't have URLs containing "malone"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/74364 | 11:20 |
| lifeless | ... | 11:20 |
| BjornT | yeah, it's mostly that people need to learn to break down their work into smaller pieces | 11:20 |
| jamesh | if we improve service for small patches, hopefully that'll encourage people to give us smaller patches ... | 11:21 |
| BjornT | before someone starts to work on a large feature, there should be some discussion about how to divide the implementation into smaller steps | 11:22 |
| lifeless | we have the idea of pre-implementation calls | 11:22 |
| lifeless | is that actually happening? | 11:22 |
| BjornT | i don't think there have been many calls lately | 11:23 |
| lifeless | I have a suggestion | 11:23 |
| lifeless | we have a work in progress status | 11:23 |
| lifeless | can we offer each branch a preimp call ? | 11:23 |
| lifeless | in a proactive, non-compulsory manner | 11:23 |
| lifeless | as in | 11:24 |
| lifeless | jamesh: I note you've started on jamesh/launchpad/url-utils | 11:24 |
| lifeless | have you had a chance to talk the implementation over with someone ? | 11:24 |
| jamesh | lifeless: it is based on conversations with SteveA -- I plan to put it up for review soon | 11:24 |
| jamesh | I am not sure how best to break it up into smaller chunks | 11:25 |
| lifeless | excellent, sounds like I dont have anything to offer here, I look forward to reviewing it! | 11:25 |
| lifeless | sorry, was roleplaying :) | 11:25 |
| lifeless | my point is for us to go out to the developers | 11:25 |
| lifeless | rather than waiting. If its primarily a skill thing - learning how to tell when something is getting bulky and needs to be staged | 11:26 |
| lifeless | then the folk with that skill are the best ones to judge when its needed | 11:26 |
| jamesh | yeah. I'd like to get it through review so that the code can be used in other interesting areas | 11:26 |
| jamesh | (I wouldn't want to do that in the existing branch) | 11:27 |
| lifeless | what do you think of this idea ? | 11:27 |
| BjornT | lifeless: what exactly are you proposing? | 11:27 |
| lifeless | BjornT: Ah the details. | 11:28 |
| jamesh | (I wonder how many of the WIP branches have been forgotten) | 11:28 |
| lifeless | uhm, I guess... | 11:28 |
| lifeless | any wip branch over 1000 should get a phone-call/irc discussion offer from a reviewer | 11:28 |
| lifeless | and then be marked as having had that offer made | 11:29 |
| jamesh | that sounds like a good idea | 11:29 |
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| BjornT | yeah, that'd be good. | 11:29 |
| lifeless | ok. Do we need someone to coordinate? Or can we just start reporting on it weekly ? | 11:30 |
| BjornT | but we should also try to encourage people to have that discussion before starting to implement the feature. | 11:30 |
| lifeless | BjornT: I agree, but that does not seem to be happening much. | 11:30 |
| lifeless | and I think the reason it does not is that things seem simpler than they are when you start. | 11:30 |
| BjornT | maybe we should try to improve our spec process, and require an implementation part that outlines how it should be done. then a reviewer could judge whether it sounds reasonable, or if it's likely to become a big patch. | 11:32 |
| lifeless | I thought we had that :) | 11:32 |
| BjornT | well, we should have it, but if you look at most of our specs, then they're incomplete... | 11:33 |
| jamesh | 1000 lines seems like a rough estimate of when a branch becomes complex | 11:33 |
| jamesh | do we want to still have such a discussion with the developer if they did a pre-implementation call before starting? | 11:33 |
| lifeless | Lets start with something simple. I'll whip up a pending-reviews patch to show a * on branches which have had an offer or a call | 11:33 |
| === jamesh would love to see this handled within LP | ||
| lifeless | and then we can all start having an eyeball once a day, when we look for our reviews to do, for ones that dont have a *, and are > 1000 lines | 11:34 |
| lifeless | jamesh: agreed. | 11:34 |
| lifeless | jamesh: I dont think so [more discussion] , but being involved is always good, so could go either way | 11:34 |
| BjornT | i think we want to have such calls even if there were a pre-implementation call. if the patch gets too large, it could be a sign that the pre-implemtation call didn't cover everything. | 11:35 |
| lifeless | mmm | 11:36 |
| lifeless | I'm much more comfortable with a branch that has had reasonable discussions with a reviewer going > 1000 lines, than one that has not | 11:36 |
| lifeless | lets see how it goes, and tune it ? | 11:37 |
| lifeless | I have one more agenda item, but I think we should leave this item on the agenda, as a recurring one, for a bit | 11:37 |
| lifeless | this has been good discussion so far, and we have more to have I think. | 11:37 |
| lifeless | ok ? | 11:38 |
| jamesh | okay | 11:38 |
| BjornT | yeah, that's true. still, it could be that at first, things looked easy, but then when starting to implement it, it turned out that some other changes were needed as well. | 11:38 |
| danilos | my mails are not ending up on launchpad list, and I am not getting any notice either (like it's stuck in moderation, or that delivery has failed, or whatever); anyone knows what's going on? | 11:38 |
| jamesh | danilos: iirc, you should get an email notification if that happens | 11:38 |
| jamesh | danilos: you sure the messages aren't caught in your MTA's queue? | 11:38 |
| lifeless | ok, last agenda item | 11:39 |
| lifeless | * lifeless on leave | 11:39 |
| lifeless | I'm on leave for the last 3 weeks of december | 11:39 |
| danilos | jamesh: no, they are not stuck; I'll investigate a bit more, thanks (and sorry for interrupting the meeting) | 11:39 |
| lifeless | I need a volunteer to do the pending-reviews daily allocation, and either chair, or find a chair weekly, this meeting, until jan 1st | 11:39 |
| BjornT | i'll be on leave the last two weeks of december, so i could do it only the first week. | 11:40 |
| jamesh | I'm on leave 22nd - 5th | 11:41 |
| lifeless | how about this, BjornT - if you can start, and you find a replacement before you go on leave :). | 11:41 |
| lifeless | it can be a hot potato | 11:41 |
| jamesh | I can do it after BjornT goes on leave | 11:41 |
| BjornT | lifeless: sure, sounds good :) | 11:41 |
| lifeless | and they have to find their replacement :) | 11:41 |
| lifeless | jamesh: cool. | 11:41 |
| lifeless | ok. any other business ? | 11:41 |
| BjornT | not from me | 11:42 |
| lifeless | thanks for coming, see you in jan | 11:43 |
| lifeless | (meeting wise :) | 11:43 |
| lifeless | I'm still here this week. | 11:43 |
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| jamesh | lifeless: I was thinking about your idea for bug 74011, I suppose the idea of merge one branch, commit, merge the other has the benefit of not giving a reverse diff for fixes made on the base branch | 11:49 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 74011 in launchpad-development-infrastructure "Allow saying against which branch a diff should be produced from" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/74011 | 11:49 |
| jamesh | lifeless: I guess I'd need to auto-resolve any conflicts from merging the base branch though | 11:50 |
| stu1 | Do we still need to support /bugs/distros/ubuntu URLs ? They have been deprecated in favour of /distros/ubuntu/+bugs for quite a while now. | 12:00 |
| danilos | stub: hi, can you check if my mails to launchpad@ are stuck in moderation queue (you are listed as one of admins) | 12:06 |
| stub | danilos: nope. just some spam | 12:07 |
| danilos | crap, now I see it 3 times on https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/private/launchpad/2006-December/thread.html | 12:08 |
| danilos | but it never hit my inbox, so it must be some spam handling on my side :( | 12:08 |
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| SteveA | matthewrevell: morning! | 12:30 |
| matthewrevell | SteveA: Hey :) | 12:31 |
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| stub | danilos: You can choose if you receive copies of your own posts or not in your Mailman settings. Perhaps that setting has been changed? | 12:43 |
| danilos | stub: no, everything seems to be fine, I'll check with my mail server administrator if it's actually getting caught in spam filter there; thanks for looking into it! | 12:45 |
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| RichiH | sabdfl, kiko_race, mdz, lifeless, SteveA: we are thinking of getting the freenode site translated. it is, of course, not software and the licence is http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/2.0/ -- as it is nd, this means it is not open, either. would it be possible to make an exemption for freenode? the reason it's nd is that we do not want to be misquoted :/ | 01:59 |
| SteveA | stub, danilos, BjornT. jamesh, spiv, lifeless, ddaa, cprov, matsubara: meet Matthew Revell (matthewrevell) | 02:24 |
| matthewrevell | Hello everyone! | 02:24 |
| stub | hi matthew | 02:25 |
| matsubara | hello matthewrevell. Welcome! | 02:25 |
| matthewrevell | thans | 02:25 |
| matthewrevell | s/thans/thanks | 02:25 |
| cprov | matthewrevell: hi, welcome ! | 02:26 |
| jordi | hey matthew | 02:27 |
| SteveA | hey jordi, do you have a wiki page for me? | 02:30 |
| jordi | no, I was away all weekend, can try to write it today | 02:33 |
| SteveA | ok | 02:34 |
| ddaa | matthewrevell: good morning | 02:37 |
| ddaa | hu | 02:37 |
| ddaa | whatever the time of the day where you are | 02:38 |
| ddaa | matthewrevell: you're blog hasn't been very active lately | 02:38 |
| ddaa | oh, nevermind... there were two recent items about "cornish pastry product" (no clue what this means) and your new household member | 02:40 |
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| static | moin | 03:05 |
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| kiko | hello there hackers of the world | 03:10 |
| kiko | hey matthewrevell | 03:10 |
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| kiko | hey danilos | 03:10 |
| kiko | RichiH, ping? | 03:11 |
| danilos | hey kiko | 03:20 |
| kiko | how's it going | 03:20 |
| danilos | kiko: it's fine, I've got some q's for you :) | 03:22 |
| kiko | danilos, I saw your email but haven't read it yet | 03:22 |
| danilos | kiko: ok, that's of lesser importance, I've got more important things as well :) | 03:23 |
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| matthewrevell | kiko: Hey :) | 03:44 |
| kiko | how's it going! | 03:44 |
| kiko | good to have you around | 03:44 |
| kiko | wanna chat a bit? | 03:44 |
| matthewrevell | kiko: Not bad thanks. It's good to be here finally :) | 03:44 |
| matthewrevell | kiko: Yeah, would be good to chat. | 03:44 |
| kiko | matthewrevell, that was a long time! good to have you around | 03:44 |
| kiko | I am setting up a list of tasks for you | 03:44 |
| matthewrevell | kiko: Nice, look forward to seeing it :) | 03:45 |
| kiko | how is your tasklist yet? have you done the new staff stuff? | 03:45 |
| matthewrevell | kiko: Yeah, I think I've covered everything on the new staff wiki page. I'm just reading through the 32 material. | 03:46 |
| kiko | matthewrevell, ok. ping me when that's over | 03:46 |
| matthewrevell | Will do. | 03:47 |
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| seiflotfy | hi | 03:49 |
| seiflotfy | can some1 help me | 03:49 |
| kiko | seiflotfy, of course | 03:49 |
| seiflotfy | seif@Snoopy:~/Projects/gnome-vpnc$ bzr merge sftp://timmpf@bazaar.launchpad.net/~timmpf/gnome-vpnc/branch | 03:49 |
| seiflotfy | Permission denied (publickey). | 03:49 |
| seiflotfy | Permission denied (publickey). | 03:49 |
| seiflotfy | bzr: ERROR: Connection error: Unable to connect to SSH host bazaar.launchpad.net:None: | 03:49 |
| seiflotfy | what am i douing wrong | 03:49 |
| seiflotfy | i need an ssh key | 03:49 |
| seiflotfy | but where from | 03:49 |
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| seiflotfy | there | 03:57 |
| matsubara | seiflotfy: did you upload your ssh into launchpad? | 04:00 |
| seiflotfy | yes i did | 04:04 |
| seiflotfy | u can chekc it out urself | 04:04 |
| seiflotfy | https://launchpad.net/people/seif | 04:04 |
| kiko | seiflotfy, can you sftp manually into bazaar.launchpad.net? | 04:09 |
| matsubara | it seem you're trying to merge using the timmpf account. Do you own that account as well? Shouldn't the command be: $ bzr merge http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~timmpf/gnome-vpnc/branch ? | 04:10 |
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| seiflotfy | seif@Snoopy:~/Projects/gnome-vpnc$ bzr merge http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~timmpf/gnome-vpnc/branch | 04:21 |
| seiflotfy | bzr: ERROR: Branches have no common ancestor, and no merge base revision was specified. | 04:21 |
| seiflotfy | cd .. | 04:22 |
| kiko | seiflotfy, sounds like you're trying to merge different branches | 04:24 |
| seiflotfy | https://code.launchpad.net/products/gnome-vpnc/ | 04:34 |
| seiflotfy | there is a branch from timmpf | 04:34 |
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| RichiH | kiko: pong | 04:42 |
| kiko | RichiH, you were asking? | 04:42 |
| RichiH | kiko: yes | 04:42 |
| RichiH | kiko: basically, we want to use rosetta to translate the website of freenode | 04:42 |
| kiko | I see. | 04:43 |
| RichiH | kiko: i am not sure if hte licence our content is under is OK for you guys, though | 04:43 |
| kiko | I think there should be no problem in doing that, actually -- as long as you are okay with the translations potentially being reused in other projects. | 04:43 |
| RichiH | kiko: under the same licence it is under, i presume? | 04:44 |
| RichiH | or do we have to dual something more open as well? | 04:44 |
| danilos | RichiH: we'll be asking all translation contributors to submit their translations under BSD (or BSD-like) license real-soon-now | 04:45 |
| danilos | RichiH: and we're assuming something like that already, even though we didn't make it explicit | 04:46 |
| kiko | RichiH, AFAIK the license of the translations doesn't really depend or impinge on the license of the original text | 04:46 |
| danilos | RichiH: as for original content, we don't have any requirements set | 04:46 |
| danilos | RichiH: and having all translators submit translations under BSD means you'll also be able to use them on your website, regardless of the license | 04:47 |
| RichiH | yah | 04:47 |
| RichiH | sounds good to me, i will get a nod from our side and then register a project | 04:47 |
| RichiH | i need to come back to you guys to start a new project, correct? | 04:48 |
| danilos | RichiH: no, you can do that all on your own, afaik | 04:49 |
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| RichiH | ah, cool | 04:50 |
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| jordi | danilos: ok, it seems lschiere never raised the licence as a concern | 05:09 |
| danilos | jordi: right, thanks for checking | 05:09 |
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| _MMA_ | Hello all. Im trying to register a spec on Launchpad and its telling me my username is a "invalid value" when I put it in the "Drafter" field. It would be the same one as Im logged in with right? | 05:57 |
| _MMA_ | I got it. inputting my email worked. Thats kinda confusing. | 05:59 |
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| SteveA | kiko-fud: ping when you've got back | 06:10 |
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| kiko | hey BjornT_ | 06:21 |
| BjornT_ | hi kiko | 06:21 |
| SteveA | kiko: ping | 06:24 |
| SteveA | kiko: help me sort out this call | 06:24 |
| kiko | SteveA, I'm doing 2 other things, so hold on for a bit | 06:24 |
| SteveA | well, it's getting near the end of the day in europe | 06:24 |
| SteveA | so, a bit is okay, if it is a short bit | 06:25 |
| kiko | BjornT_, just had a quick question: are you holding all the guided filebug reviews to land them all at once? | 06:26 |
| kiko | SteveA, yes, short. | 06:26 |
| BjornT_ | kiko: yes, i plan to land them all at once. the last one should be approved today or tomorrow, though. | 06:28 |
| kiko | BjornT_, okay, I was just curious. thanks! | 06:28 |
| kiko | good job in breaking them up btw | 06:28 |
| BjornT_ | thanks | 06:28 |
| SteveA | matthewrevell: see last 10 lines in the scrollback | 06:29 |
| matthewrevell | SteveA: Cool. I'm planning to be away from my desk from around 18:00 to get some food | 06:31 |
| SteveA | UTC? | 06:31 |
| matthewrevell | Sorry, yes | 06:32 |
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| matthewrevell | I'm flexible though | 06:32 |
| kiko | matthewrevell, SteveA: let's do it. | 06:42 |
| matthewrevell | kiko: Skype? | 06:43 |
| kiko | I don't skype | 06:44 |
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| kiko | but SteveA can call me | 06:44 |
| matthewrevell | ok | 06:44 |
| gummibaerchen | matthewrevell: skype is bad & mad :) | 06:45 |
| kiko | RichiH, were those answers good enough for you? | 06:50 |
| kiko | matthewrevell, SteveA: so.. if not now, maybe we can rebook in 30m? | 06:50 |
| matthewrevell | kiko, SteveA: That's fine by me. | 06:51 |
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| kiko | SteveA, I can talk to matthewrevell without you, too <0.5 wink> | 06:51 |
| matthewrevell | :) | 06:52 |
| kiko | matthewrevell, is 30 minutes enough for food and rest? I'll call you at 18:30? | 06:54 |
| SteveA | kiko: you can have the secret call later | 06:54 |
| matthewrevell | kiko: I'll probably eat after the call | 06:55 |
| kiko | yeah, well, I need to be afk until 18:30 now, you took too long | 06:55 |
| matthewrevell | cool, okay :) | 06:55 |
| RichiH | kiko: yes, they were, thanks :) | 06:55 |
| SteveA | that would have been a very short call! | 06:55 |
| kiko-afk | RichiH, most welcome. let me know how your work progresses -- I am unsure if there's any negotiation that needs to happen, or if it's just DO IT | 06:56 |
| RichiH | kiko: as soon as i have the raw files, i will extract the text, put it in whatever format you guys need and upload | 06:56 |
| kiko-afk | RichiH, we use po-format. the same as everybody else (well, almost). consult with danilos if you need technical help there, he's the ninja | 06:56 |
| RichiH | kiko-afk: kbabel uses po, nay? | 06:56 |
| RichiH | i am sure i can figure it out anyway | 06:56 |
| danilos | RichiH: yes, kbabel uses it, but I can also suggest you try xml2po from gnome-doc-utils if you've got any sane XML format as source :) | 06:57 |
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| RichiH | danilos: it is shtml and i fear it is messy | 06:58 |
| RichiH | i have never seen the raw shtml of our sites | 06:58 |
| RichiH | i hear it's horrible, though | 06:58 |
| RichiH | or they are just referring to shtml in general ;) | 06:58 |
| kiko-afk | it starts with "sh" for a reason | 06:58 |
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| RichiH | kiko-afk: heh | 07:00 |
| danilos | RichiH: right, well, if you can do any kind of normalization using things like xmlformat, maybe it'll be easier; if not, well, too bad ;) | 07:00 |
| danilos | s/xmlformat/xmllint/ :) | 07:00 |
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| belito | belitoaba | 07:15 |
| belito | help | 07:16 |
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| Ubugtu | New bug: #74421 in rosetta "No entry for Codeine Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/74421 | 08:50 |
| kiko | we translate drug labels now too? | 08:57 |
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| kiko | matsubara, I am publically assigning you with a new responsibility: validating the Fix Committed bugs when a rollout happens. | 09:41 |
| kiko | good luck! :-) | 09:41 |
| LarstiQ | ouch | 09:41 |
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| kiko | life is a sea of pain and pleasure | 09:43 |
| matsubara | kiko: ok | 09:44 |
| Ubugtu | New bug: #74428 in malone "The change bug watch page tricks people into entering URLs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/74428 | 09:46 |
| mdke | kiko: that doesn't get done automatically? | 09:53 |
| mdke | automatically is good | 09:53 |
| kiko | yeah, it doesn't happen yet | 09:54 |
| mdke | that would be great | 09:55 |
| kiko | yeah. BjornT__ will love us all | 09:55 |
| mdke | Ubuntu maintainers probably will too | 09:56 |
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| Phoenix7477 | anyone free to awnser a question about karma? | 10:01 |
| kiko | always | 10:01 |
| kiko | what's up | 10:01 |
| mpt | Gooooooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders! | 10:01 |
| kiko | guttes evening mpt | 10:01 |
| Phoenix7477 | well, im just kind of curious. i'm trying to learn the whole launchpad system, and the bug system to get started. and i can't seem to find much documentation on what karma is exactly, and how its calculated | 10:01 |
| mpt | hello hello | 10:01 |
| mpt | kiko, did you or SteveA get to talk with Mark about "Ask a question"? | 10:02 |
| mpt | Phoenix7477, https://help.launchpad.net/KarmaCalculation | 10:02 |
| Phoenix7477 | thank you :) | 10:02 |
| kiko | mpt, we didn't :-( | 10:03 |
| kiko | mpt, I like that text myself btw | 10:04 |
| mpt | because I don't want to postpone sending the next episode of Usman's to-do list | 10:05 |
| kiko | mpt, can you rehash so I can sign off? or is this in email? | 10:05 |
| mpt | The list of graphics to draw | 10:07 |
| mpt | Currently there's a "Request support" button, which will need redrawing | 10:07 |
| kiko | right | 10:07 |
| kiko | you want the alt text to be "Ask a question" | 10:08 |
| kiko | and a button to be rendered for that? | 10:08 |
| mpt | yes | 10:08 |
| kiko | approved | 10:08 |
| mpt | thank you | 10:08 |
| kiko | yvw | 10:08 |
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| mpt | and goodnight :-) | 10:10 |
| Ubugtu | New bug: #74433 in rosetta "Missing format specification in translation string should error" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/74433 | 10:10 |
| kiko | error isn't a very, btw | 10:11 |
| kiko | err | 10:11 |
| kiko | isn't a verb | 10:11 |
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| matsubara | 3. (verb) What a program does when it stops as result of a programming error. | 10:14 |
| matsubara | From The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03) [foldoc] : | 10:15 |
| kiko | a program "errors"? | 10:16 |
| LarstiQ | yes | 10:16 |
| kiko | a program /may/ "error out" | 10:16 |
| kiko | but "errors"? | 10:16 |
| kiko | I've never heard that used anywhere | 10:16 |
| kiko | feel free to show me references by people called knuth, thompson or dijkstra | 10:17 |
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| kiko | and send me a DVD if you can't :-) | 10:20 |
| mpt | "complain" would work :-) | 10:24 |
| mpt | oh, you already used that | 10:25 |
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| SteveA | morning mpt | 10:34 |
| SteveA | mpt: how's your coordination with brilliant going? maybe we should arrange a call with anthony sometime? | 10:35 |
| mpt | SteveA, scroll up half an hour :-) -- I'm just about to e-mail Usman + Anthony with the next to-do list | 10:37 |
| SteveA | I asked mark | 10:39 |
| SteveA | "ask a question" is okay | 10:39 |
| SteveA | mpt: we should try to talk with anthony on the phone tomorrow morning (europe time) to talk over the email | 10:40 |
| SteveA | the extra clarity by following up the email with voice is worth it in these cases I think | 10:40 |
| mpt | ok | 10:41 |
| mpt | BjornT__, around? | 10:42 |
| SteveA | so, when you write, propose a time after 9.30 UTC for a call with usman | 10:43 |
| SteveA | I'll be around then too | 10:43 |
| SteveA | um, for a call with anthony, I meant | 10:43 |
| SteveA | not usman | 10:44 |
| mpt | ok | 10:44 |
| mhb | kiko: good evening ... still nothing to test for me? | 10:44 |
| Ubugtu | New bug: #74437 in rosetta "OOPS translating string with format specification." [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/74437 | 10:45 |
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| mpt | kiko, did you ever fix helpers.msgid_html? | 11:21 |
| kiko | mpt, I moved it around, and I believe I fixed it -- what needed to be fixed again? | 11:36 |
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| mpt | <kiko-afk> the code you change does something like | 11:37 |
| mpt | <kiko-afk> replace("a", "b") | 11:37 |
| mpt | <kiko-afk> replace("b", TranslationConstant.X) | 11:37 |
| mpt | <kiko-afk> which is, well.. :) | 11:37 |
| kiko | mpt, I think I fixed it, yeah. | 11:39 |
| mpt | ok, cool | 11:42 |
| Ubugtu | New bug: #74443 in malone "Advanced search form's assignee field doesn't auto-select its radiobutton" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/74443 | 11:46 |
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| _thumper_ | how does someone enter a mailing list email for a team atm? | 11:49 |
| _thumper_ | and how does that effect emails sent out, does it send to team email and members or does it override sending to members? | 11:49 |
| kiko | _thumper_, it overrides. | 11:50 |
| kiko | and _thumper_ you set it as your teams preferred email, in the team page. | 11:50 |
| _thumper_ | kiko, do you have to be the team owner to see that option? | 11:51 |
| kiko | or a team admin, I think. | 11:51 |
| _thumper_ | kiko, that makes sense, thanks | 11:52 |
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| newz2000 | Can I reasonably assume that there are not going to be two teams with the same name, and can I make the same assumption about displayname? | 11:59 |
| kiko | there will never be two teams with the same name | 12:01 |
| kiko | there can be two teams with the same displayname, but it would be odd | 12:01 |
| newz2000 | kiko: thanks | 12:01 |
| kiko | that's a bit of an odd phishing attack there | 12:02 |
| SteveA | that's actually a difficult one | 12:02 |
| SteveA | we could detect that and show the real "id" name in brackets afterwards | 12:03 |
| SteveA | but that wouldn't accoiunt for confusingly similar display names | 12:03 |
| SteveA | and might actually make the phishability of it worse | 12:03 |
| kiko | yeah. | 12:03 |
| newz2000 | Just trying to figure out this art.ubuntu.com authentication thing. So far, it's going real smooth. | 12:04 |
| _thumper_ | there are two teams called "Bazaar Developers" | 12:04 |
| kiko | nice | 12:04 |
| SteveA | slashdot does this with names -- they put the numeric id in brackets after the name | 12:04 |
| kiko | _thumper_, that's a phishing attack right there | 12:04 |
| kiko | does one advertise 7 inch extensions? | 12:05 |
| SteveA | we need that "report abuse" button | 12:05 |
| _thumper_ | I think one was for baz | 12:05 |
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| Ubugtu | New bug: #74444 in soyuz "Remove partial commits from publish-distro" [High,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/74444 | 12:06 |
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| newz2000 | Do we confirm user's e-mail addresses during their sign-up? i.e. can I count on the e-mail address I get from launchpad to be valid? | 12:07 |
| kiko | yes. | 12:07 |
| kiko | you can. | 12:07 |
| newz2000 | sweet | 12:07 |
| newz2000 | you guys make my job so easy | 12:08 |
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