=== spiv [n=andrew@218-214-66-203.people.net.au] has joined #launchpad [12:50] New bug: #74315 in launchpad "wget https://launchpad.net fails with certificate error" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/74315 [01:00] New bug: #74318 in malone ""Include attachment" checkbox should not exist" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/74318 [01:27] SteveA, still around? === ryanakca [i=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #launchpad === _thumper_ [n=tim@166-179-19-105.jamamobile.co.nz] has joined #launchpad [02:01] <_thumper_> mpt: ping === jml [n=jml@220-253-103-188.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #launchpad [02:42] _thumper_, pong [02:43] <_thumper_> mpt: didn't you say something at some stage about coming down south in december? [02:45] _thumper_, yes, I'll be in Dunedin from this Friday to next Wednesday [02:45] coming to enjoy summer in the south [02:45] <_thumper_> mpt: is it leave or working? I'd like to meet up some time [02:46] <_thumper_> icebergs and all :) [02:51] _thumper_, leave [02:51] So yes, lunch sometime would be great [02:51] And what's this about icebergs? === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.11.58.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad [02:52] <_thumper_> there are icebergs floating off the Dunedin coast [02:52] <_thumper_> how could you not have heard that? [02:53] <_thumper_> mpt: it was a reference to ajmitch and summer, I should really learn to prefix ids :) [02:56] ajmitch? summer? icebergs? === mpt is compleeeeeetely lost [03:00] <_thumper_> mpt: [14:45] coming to enjoy summer in the south [03:00] Icebergs off Dunedin? Coooool [03:01] Are they the ones people are getting married on? [03:01] <_thumper_> mpt: yeah, they are running sightseeing flights daily, and yes to attempted marriage [03:01] "attempted marriage", sounds like "attempted burglary" [03:02] <_thumper_> supposidly there are another 6 on their way up from antartica [03:02] <_thumper_> biggest measuring almost 1km === mpt gets back to work [03:02] Antarctica's melting and flooding us all, huh === _thumper_ back to reading a month of work email [03:05] _thumper_: I finished off your spec-branches branch and merged it while you were moving. [03:05] it's up on staging now [03:05] <_thumper_> jamesh: thanks, ddaa mentioned that to me [03:06] <_thumper_> jamesh: how do I see staging? [03:06] _thumper_: https://staging.launchpad.net/ [03:06] <_thumper_> jamesh: ta [03:07] _thumper_: if you do "bzr diff -r 4278..4279" for rocketfuel, you'll see the completed changes. [03:08] <_thumper_> thanks === jml [n=jml@dsl-210-15-195-196-static.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #launchpad === der_steppenwolf [n=sergio@p54A5F69A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad === wasabi [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #launchpad [04:16] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu [04:16] timeout. [04:22] wasabi: got an OOPS number? [04:24] Buh. No. Sorry. I'm an idiot and hit refresh. [04:24] And it started working. ;) === Kylekf [n=Kyle@gw3.eb.net.my] has joined #launchpad === rrittenhouse [n=tad@cpe-76-188-35-66.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.11.58.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === _thumper_ [n=tim@166-179-25-15.jamamobile.co.nz] has joined #launchpad === poolie [n=mbp@ppp245-86.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad === l0fty [n=l0fty@83-216-128-236.andrew038.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #launchpad [07:53] hello, I have a launchpad feature request and I'm not sure how to submit it. [07:54] All it is, is it would be helpful if you could search by package name in the bug tracker. [07:55] that should already be possible... [07:56] to file a bug [07:56] l0fty: if you go to the package's page and click "Bugs", you'll get a bug listing narrowed to that distro/package [07:56] <_thumper_> hey poolie, === jml [n=jml@ppp110-150.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad [07:57] hi thumper [07:57] jamesh: OK, thanks [07:57] <_thumper_> poolie, are you at osdc for all four days too? [07:57] i just realized i should plan to talk to you earlier in the day now [07:57] l0fty: e.g. https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/python2.5/+bugs [07:57] <_thumper_> :) [07:57] <_thumper_> poolie: no worries, spent the day catching up on work emails and reading meeting notes [07:57] l0fty: you can enter a search term there and it will only search for bugs on that package. [07:58] _thumper_: only wed-fri, but travelling tomorrow [07:58] <_thumper_> poolie: ok, should be fun [07:59] l0fty: for future reference you can file bugs at https://bugs.launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bugs [07:59] but asking here may be best [08:00] l0fty: iirc there is a spec for adding boogle-style searching to Launchpad [08:00] which might allow you to do searches like "package:tzdata foo" [08:00] but that hasn't been implemented yet [08:01] I just tried to find the page for 'listen' and it's either not a full ubuntu package (unlikely as I'm running it) or else the search engine isn't picking it up. [08:02] I did a search for 'packages containing listen' [08:03] Just saying there should be a simple, obvious way to go straight to the page for a given package, and there isn't one AFAICS [08:05] l0fty: weird. I wonder why it didn't find that package. [08:05] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/listen <- it is definitely in LP [08:05] maybe the package doesn't have 'listen' in the description? [08:06] maybe [08:06] but I'd expect the search to match package names ... [08:08] don't know. Thanks for your help - I found the page anyway. [08:16] jamesh, l0fty: the script that updates the cache that the search uses is broken, so that's probably why the package wasn't found. === silwol [n=silwol@193.170.135.113] has joined #launchpad === jml_ [n=jml@59.167.203.44] has joined #launchpad === jml_ is now known as jml === tim_ [n=tim@166-179-18-97.jamamobile.co.nz] has joined #launchpad === ddaa [n=ddaa@nor75-18-82-241-238-155.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad [09:08] good morning [09:09] <_thumper_> morning ddaa === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #launchpad === Spads [n=spacehob@host-87-74-89-177.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #launchpad [09:13] Hello _thumper_ [09:13] welcome aboard [09:13] life vests are under your seat [09:13] in case of sudden cabin depressurization, hold on to your coffee mug [09:14] <_thumper_> fun and games for all to enjoy === tim_ [n=tim@166-179-31-20.jamamobile.co.nz] has joined #launchpad === tim_ [n=tim@166-179-24-243.jamamobile.co.nz] has joined #launchpad === eric-the-viking [n=tim@166-179-16-50.jamamobile.co.nz] has joined #launchpad === mholthaus_ [n=mholthau@19.29.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #launchpad === malcc [n=malcolm@host86-135-237-55.range86-135.btcentralplus.com] has joined #launchpad === matthewrevell [n=matthew@62-30-68-71.cable.ubr05.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === tim_ [n=tim@166-179-24-73.jamamobile.co.nz] has joined #launchpad === stu1 [n=stub@ppp-58.8.3.151.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-128-96.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #launchpad === matthewrevell [n=matthew@62-30-68-71.cable.ubr05.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === jinty [n=jinty@177.Red-83-54-74.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad === matthewrevell [n=matthew@62-30-68-71.cable.ubr05.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #launchpad [10:51] review meeting in 9 minutes === matthewrevell [n=matthew@62-30-68-71.cable.ubr05.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #launchpad [11:00] New bug: #74361 in rosetta "Use appropriate marking for KDE plural forms" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/74361 [11:01] meeting time [11:01] who is here ? [11:01] I am [11:01] me [11:02] * Roll call [11:03] * Queue status. [11:03] * reviewers to discuss ideas and principles for keeping branch review quick (was on LP meeting agenda) [11:03] * lifeless on leave [11:04] https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/pending-reviews/ is the queue [11:04] as usual :) [11:05] its better than it was, but the oldest branches aren't moving [11:05] BjornT_: david/cscvs/svn-peg-revision ? [11:05] jamesh: flacoste/launchpad/tt-localized-requests-notifications? [11:05] I think the three pyrex ones are the same as what spiv just reviewed [11:05] lifeless: sent a review off a little while ago [11:06] yah, I'm ignoring those [11:06] and the one of kikos, that hes explained about on list [11:06] looks like it is coming under control [11:06] lifeless: right, i should sort that one out. it probably shouldn't be in needs-review. i'll talk to ddaa about it after the meeting. [11:07] BjornT_: thanks [11:07] Keeping Branch review quick. [11:09] related to that, BjornT mentioned getting pending-reviews to do incremental diffs [11:10] yes [11:10] this is a feature I have requested from launchpads review system [11:11] does the algorithm I posted on that bug sound correct to you? [11:11] I think doing it by hand is reasonable for now [11:11] BjornT: Have you encountered interdiff ? [11:11] jamesh: Haven't seen it. Bug # ? [11:11] https://bugs.launchpad.net/products/launchpad-development-infrastructure/+bug/74011 [11:11] Malone bug 74011 in launchpad-development-infrastructure "Allow saying against which branch a diff should be produced from" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [11:11] jamesh: ahr, different things [11:11] lifeless: what's interdiff? [11:11] BjornT: its a tool for seeing the diff between two diffs [11:12] BjornT: so you can see what has changed from one 'pending merge' diff to another [11:12] this lets you see that when Fred says "Ive added docstrings", you can see what they are [11:12] lifeless: the algorithm I mentioned isn't just picking a different rocketfuel branch [11:13] jamesh: lets call diffing against specific branches, diffing against non-trunk, or something ? [11:13] lifeless: ah. that could be useful. usually i get the branch and produce the diff using bzr instead. [11:13] lifeless: I think we still want to get a diff in terms of the trunk, but between the results of two merges to the trunk [11:14] jamesh: yes, your algorithm looks correct. [11:14] jamesh: might be optimisable [11:14] lifeless: I think you need to involve the trunk for the way people develop -- otherwise you pick up unrelated changes related to merges from rocketfuel [11:15] which the reviewer doesn't care about === Keybuk [n=scott@syndicate.netsplit.com] has joined #launchpad [11:15] jamesh: sure, but you could merge trunk -> B, commit, merge A-> that dir, diff, uncommit [11:15] or variations [11:16] so, this is something I've been meaning to discuss. [11:16] I suggest that when you do a review, you save the diff that you reviewed, locally. [11:16] then when you do a follow up review, you save the new diff, and use interdiff between them [11:16] tell me how that works, whether its easy to work with or not -> this will be input into _thumper_s work on reviews-in-launchpad [11:17] would it be helpful if the pending-reviews script included any more metadata at the top of the diff? [11:17] (e.g. branch names plus revision numbers?) [11:17] yeah [11:17] yeah, that would help. [11:17] branch: foo\nrevno: X\n [11:18] you'll notice that the conflicts list is at the top of the diff these days [11:18] rather than a separate file [11:18] so what can we do to make it easier to work on smaller bits of code [11:18] is it a knack thing, or is it tech ? [11:19] I think its largely a knack, and some discipline [11:20] New bug: #74364 in malone "Shouldn't have URLs containing "malone"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/74364 [11:20] ... [11:20] yeah, it's mostly that people need to learn to break down their work into smaller pieces [11:21] if we improve service for small patches, hopefully that'll encourage people to give us smaller patches ... [11:22] before someone starts to work on a large feature, there should be some discussion about how to divide the implementation into smaller steps [11:22] we have the idea of pre-implementation calls [11:22] is that actually happening? [11:23] i don't think there have been many calls lately [11:23] I have a suggestion [11:23] we have a work in progress status [11:23] can we offer each branch a preimp call ? [11:23] in a proactive, non-compulsory manner [11:24] as in [11:24] jamesh: I note you've started on jamesh/launchpad/url-utils [11:24] have you had a chance to talk the implementation over with someone ? [11:24] lifeless: it is based on conversations with SteveA -- I plan to put it up for review soon [11:25] I am not sure how best to break it up into smaller chunks [11:25] excellent, sounds like I dont have anything to offer here, I look forward to reviewing it! [11:25] sorry, was roleplaying :) [11:25] my point is for us to go out to the developers [11:26] rather than waiting. If its primarily a skill thing - learning how to tell when something is getting bulky and needs to be staged [11:26] then the folk with that skill are the best ones to judge when its needed [11:26] yeah. I'd like to get it through review so that the code can be used in other interesting areas [11:27] (I wouldn't want to do that in the existing branch) [11:27] what do you think of this idea ? [11:27] lifeless: what exactly are you proposing? [11:28] BjornT: Ah the details. [11:28] (I wonder how many of the WIP branches have been forgotten) [11:28] uhm, I guess... [11:28] any wip branch over 1000 should get a phone-call/irc discussion offer from a reviewer [11:29] and then be marked as having had that offer made [11:29] that sounds like a good idea === jamesh sees a 10000 line WIP branch [11:29] yeah, that'd be good. [11:30] ok. Do we need someone to coordinate? Or can we just start reporting on it weekly ? [11:30] but we should also try to encourage people to have that discussion before starting to implement the feature. [11:30] BjornT: I agree, but that does not seem to be happening much. [11:30] and I think the reason it does not is that things seem simpler than they are when you start. [11:32] maybe we should try to improve our spec process, and require an implementation part that outlines how it should be done. then a reviewer could judge whether it sounds reasonable, or if it's likely to become a big patch. [11:32] I thought we had that :) [11:33] well, we should have it, but if you look at most of our specs, then they're incomplete... [11:33] 1000 lines seems like a rough estimate of when a branch becomes complex [11:33] do we want to still have such a discussion with the developer if they did a pre-implementation call before starting? [11:33] Lets start with something simple. I'll whip up a pending-reviews patch to show a * on branches which have had an offer or a call === jamesh would love to see this handled within LP [11:34] and then we can all start having an eyeball once a day, when we look for our reviews to do, for ones that dont have a *, and are > 1000 lines [11:34] jamesh: agreed. [11:34] jamesh: I dont think so [more discussion] , but being involved is always good, so could go either way [11:35] i think we want to have such calls even if there were a pre-implementation call. if the patch gets too large, it could be a sign that the pre-implemtation call didn't cover everything. [11:36] mmm [11:36] I'm much more comfortable with a branch that has had reasonable discussions with a reviewer going > 1000 lines, than one that has not [11:37] lets see how it goes, and tune it ? [11:37] I have one more agenda item, but I think we should leave this item on the agenda, as a recurring one, for a bit [11:37] this has been good discussion so far, and we have more to have I think. [11:38] ok ? [11:38] okay [11:38] yeah, that's true. still, it could be that at first, things looked easy, but then when starting to implement it, it turned out that some other changes were needed as well. [11:38] my mails are not ending up on launchpad list, and I am not getting any notice either (like it's stuck in moderation, or that delivery has failed, or whatever); anyone knows what's going on? [11:38] danilos: iirc, you should get an email notification if that happens [11:38] danilos: you sure the messages aren't caught in your MTA's queue? [11:39] ok, last agenda item [11:39] * lifeless on leave [11:39] I'm on leave for the last 3 weeks of december [11:39] jamesh: no, they are not stuck; I'll investigate a bit more, thanks (and sorry for interrupting the meeting) [11:39] I need a volunteer to do the pending-reviews daily allocation, and either chair, or find a chair weekly, this meeting, until jan 1st [11:40] i'll be on leave the last two weeks of december, so i could do it only the first week. [11:41] I'm on leave 22nd - 5th [11:41] how about this, BjornT - if you can start, and you find a replacement before you go on leave :). [11:41] it can be a hot potato [11:41] I can do it after BjornT goes on leave [11:41] lifeless: sure, sounds good :) [11:41] and they have to find their replacement :) [11:41] jamesh: cool. [11:41] ok. any other business ? [11:42] not from me [11:43] thanks for coming, see you in jan [11:43] (meeting wise :) [11:43] I'm still here this week. === BjornT -> lunch [11:49] lifeless: I was thinking about your idea for bug 74011, I suppose the idea of merge one branch, commit, merge the other has the benefit of not giving a reverse diff for fixes made on the base branch [11:49] Malone bug 74011 in launchpad-development-infrastructure "Allow saying against which branch a diff should be produced from" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/74011 [11:50] lifeless: I guess I'd need to auto-resolve any conflicts from merging the base branch though [12:00] Do we still need to support /bugs/distros/ubuntu URLs ? They have been deprecated in favour of /distros/ubuntu/+bugs for quite a while now. [12:06] stub: hi, can you check if my mails to launchpad@ are stuck in moderation queue (you are listed as one of admins) [12:07] danilos: nope. just some spam [12:08] crap, now I see it 3 times on https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/private/launchpad/2006-December/thread.html [12:08] but it never hit my inbox, so it must be some spam handling on my side :( === niemeyer [n=niemeyer@200.138.132.233] has joined #launchpad === jelmer [n=jelmer@a62-251-123-16.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #launchpad [12:30] matthewrevell: morning! [12:31] SteveA: Hey :) === matsubara [n=matsubar@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [12:43] danilos: You can choose if you receive copies of your own posts or not in your Mailman settings. Perhaps that setting has been changed? [12:45] stub: no, everything seems to be fine, I'll check with my mail server administrator if it's actually getting caught in spam filter there; thanks for looking into it! === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #launchpad [01:59] sabdfl, kiko_race, mdz, lifeless, SteveA: we are thinking of getting the freenode site translated. it is, of course, not software and the licence is http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/2.0/ -- as it is nd, this means it is not open, either. would it be possible to make an exemption for freenode? the reason it's nd is that we do not want to be misquoted :/ [02:24] stub, danilos, BjornT. jamesh, spiv, lifeless, ddaa, cprov, matsubara: meet Matthew Revell (matthewrevell) [02:24] Hello everyone! [02:25] hi matthew [02:25] hello matthewrevell. Welcome! [02:25] thans [02:25] s/thans/thanks [02:26] matthewrevell: hi, welcome ! [02:27] hey matthew [02:30] hey jordi, do you have a wiki page for me? [02:33] no, I was away all weekend, can try to write it today [02:34] ok [02:37] matthewrevell: good morning [02:37] hu [02:38] whatever the time of the day where you are [02:38] matthewrevell: you're blog hasn't been very active lately [02:40] oh, nevermind... there were two recent items about "cornish pastry product" (no clue what this means) and your new household member === marcus_notebook [n=mholthau@19.29.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #launchpad === static [n=emurphy@194.18.118.70.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad [03:05] moin === BjornT [n=bjorn@clt-84-32-240-183.dtiltas.lt] has joined #launchpad [03:10] hello there hackers of the world [03:10] hey matthewrevell === silwol [n=silwol@193.170.135.113] has joined #launchpad [03:10] hey danilos [03:11] RichiH, ping? [03:20] hey kiko [03:20] how's it going [03:22] kiko: it's fine, I've got some q's for you :) [03:22] danilos, I saw your email but haven't read it yet [03:23] kiko: ok, that's of lesser importance, I've got more important things as well :) === sabdf1 [n=sabdfl@217.205.109.249] has joined #launchpad === BjornT_ [n=bjorn@clt-84-32-240-183.dtiltas.lt] has joined #launchpad [03:44] kiko: Hey :) [03:44] how's it going! [03:44] good to have you around [03:44] wanna chat a bit? [03:44] kiko: Not bad thanks. It's good to be here finally :) [03:44] kiko: Yeah, would be good to chat. [03:44] matthewrevell, that was a long time! good to have you around [03:44] I am setting up a list of tasks for you [03:45] kiko: Nice, look forward to seeing it :) [03:45] how is your tasklist yet? have you done the new staff stuff? [03:46] kiko: Yeah, I think I've covered everything on the new staff wiki page. I'm just reading through the 32 material. [03:46] matthewrevell, ok. ping me when that's over [03:47] Will do. === seiflotfy [n=seif@P5118.pallas.wh.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #launchpad [03:49] hi [03:49] can some1 help me [03:49] seiflotfy, of course [03:49] seif@Snoopy:~/Projects/gnome-vpnc$ bzr merge sftp://timmpf@bazaar.launchpad.net/~timmpf/gnome-vpnc/branch [03:49] Permission denied (publickey). [03:49] Permission denied (publickey). [03:49] bzr: ERROR: Connection error: Unable to connect to SSH host bazaar.launchpad.net:None: [03:49] what am i douing wrong [03:49] i need an ssh key [03:49] but where from === Znarl [n=karl@bb-82-108-14-161.ukonline.co.uk] has joined #launchpad [03:57] there [04:00] seiflotfy: did you upload your ssh into launchpad? [04:04] yes i did [04:04] u can chekc it out urself [04:04] https://launchpad.net/people/seif [04:09] seiflotfy, can you sftp manually into bazaar.launchpad.net? [04:10] it seem you're trying to merge using the timmpf account. Do you own that account as well? Shouldn't the command be: $ bzr merge http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~timmpf/gnome-vpnc/branch ? === johill [i=johannes@crystal.sipsolutions.net] has joined #launchpad === silwol [n=silwol@193.170.135.113] has left #launchpad [] [04:21] seif@Snoopy:~/Projects/gnome-vpnc$ bzr merge http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~timmpf/gnome-vpnc/branch [04:21] bzr: ERROR: Branches have no common ancestor, and no merge base revision was specified. [04:22] cd .. [04:24] seiflotfy, sounds like you're trying to merge different branches [04:34] https://code.launchpad.net/products/gnome-vpnc/ [04:34] there is a branch from timmpf === johill [i=johannes@crystal.sipsolutions.net] has left #launchpad [] [04:42] kiko: pong [04:42] RichiH, you were asking? [04:42] kiko: yes [04:42] kiko: basically, we want to use rosetta to translate the website of freenode [04:43] I see. [04:43] kiko: i am not sure if hte licence our content is under is OK for you guys, though [04:43] I think there should be no problem in doing that, actually -- as long as you are okay with the translations potentially being reused in other projects. [04:44] kiko: under the same licence it is under, i presume? [04:44] or do we have to dual something more open as well? [04:45] RichiH: we'll be asking all translation contributors to submit their translations under BSD (or BSD-like) license real-soon-now [04:46] RichiH: and we're assuming something like that already, even though we didn't make it explicit [04:46] RichiH, AFAIK the license of the translations doesn't really depend or impinge on the license of the original text [04:46] RichiH: as for original content, we don't have any requirements set [04:47] RichiH: and having all translators submit translations under BSD means you'll also be able to use them on your website, regardless of the license [04:47] yah [04:47] sounds good to me, i will get a nod from our side and then register a project [04:48] i need to come back to you guys to start a new project, correct? [04:49] RichiH: no, you can do that all on your own, afaik === Ckenyo1 [n=chrisken@217.205.109.249] has joined #launchpad [04:50] ah, cool === ddaa realises that the new and and the old supermirror actually share some config files scary... [05:09] danilos: ok, it seems lschiere never raised the licence as a concern [05:09] jordi: right, thanks for checking === belito [n=user@201.240.246.229] has joined #launchpad === jkakar [n=jkakar@204.174.36.228] has joined #launchpad === static [n=emurphy@194.18.118.70.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #launchpad === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad [05:57] <_MMA_> Hello all. Im trying to register a spec on Launchpad and its telling me my username is a "invalid value" when I put it in the "Drafter" field. It would be the same one as Im logged in with right? [05:59] <_MMA_> I got it. inputting my email worked. Thats kinda confusing. === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has left #launchpad [] === lbm [n=lbm@82.192.173.92] has joined #launchpad [06:10] kiko-fud: ping when you've got back === belito [n=user@201.240.246.229] has joined #launchpad === gummibaerchen [n=timm@86.41.155.83] has joined #launchpad [06:21] hey BjornT_ [06:21] hi kiko [06:24] kiko: ping [06:24] kiko: help me sort out this call [06:24] SteveA, I'm doing 2 other things, so hold on for a bit [06:24] well, it's getting near the end of the day in europe [06:25] so, a bit is okay, if it is a short bit [06:26] BjornT_, just had a quick question: are you holding all the guided filebug reviews to land them all at once? [06:26] SteveA, yes, short. [06:28] kiko: yes, i plan to land them all at once. the last one should be approved today or tomorrow, though. [06:28] BjornT_, okay, I was just curious. thanks! [06:28] good job in breaking them up btw [06:28] thanks [06:29] matthewrevell: see last 10 lines in the scrollback [06:31] SteveA: Cool. I'm planning to be away from my desk from around 18:00 to get some food [06:31] UTC? [06:32] Sorry, yes === outime [n=outime@unaffiliated/outime] has joined #launchpad [06:32] I'm flexible though [06:42] matthewrevell, SteveA: let's do it. [06:43] kiko: Skype? [06:44] I don't skype === glatzor [n=sebi@p54966498.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad [06:44] but SteveA can call me [06:44] ok [06:45] matthewrevell: skype is bad & mad :) [06:50] RichiH, were those answers good enough for you? [06:50] matthewrevell, SteveA: so.. if not now, maybe we can rebook in 30m? [06:51] kiko, SteveA: That's fine by me. === kiko pokes SteveA [06:51] SteveA, I can talk to matthewrevell without you, too <0.5 wink> [06:52] :) [06:54] matthewrevell, is 30 minutes enough for food and rest? I'll call you at 18:30? [06:54] kiko: you can have the secret call later [06:55] kiko: I'll probably eat after the call [06:55] yeah, well, I need to be afk until 18:30 now, you took too long [06:55] cool, okay :) [06:55] kiko: yes, they were, thanks :) [06:55] that would have been a very short call! [06:56] RichiH, most welcome. let me know how your work progresses -- I am unsure if there's any negotiation that needs to happen, or if it's just DO IT [06:56] kiko: as soon as i have the raw files, i will extract the text, put it in whatever format you guys need and upload [06:56] RichiH, we use po-format. the same as everybody else (well, almost). consult with danilos if you need technical help there, he's the ninja [06:56] kiko-afk: kbabel uses po, nay? [06:56] i am sure i can figure it out anyway [06:57] RichiH: yes, kbabel uses it, but I can also suggest you try xml2po from gnome-doc-utils if you've got any sane XML format as source :) === kiko-afk afk [06:58] danilos: it is shtml and i fear it is messy [06:58] i have never seen the raw shtml of our sites [06:58] i hear it's horrible, though [06:58] or they are just referring to shtml in general ;) [06:58] it starts with "sh" for a reason === Keybuk [n=scott@syndicate.netsplit.com] has joined #launchpad [07:00] kiko-afk: heh [07:00] RichiH: right, well, if you can do any kind of normalization using things like xmlformat, maybe it'll be easier; if not, well, too bad ;) [07:00] s/xmlformat/xmllint/ :) === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #launchpad [07:15] belitoaba [07:16] help === jelmer__ [n=jelmer@a62-251-123-16.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #launchpad === jelmer__ is now known as jelmer === jelmer [n=jelmer@a62-251-123-16.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #launchpad === BjornT [n=bjorn@clt-84-32-240-183.dtiltas.lt] has joined #launchpad === BjornT__ [n=bjorn@clt-84-32-240-183.dtiltas.lt] has joined #launchpad === l0fty [n=l0fty@83-216-128-236.andrew038.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === AlinuxOS [n=AlinuxOS@d83-190-26-192.cust.tele2.it] has joined #launchpad === gummibaerchen [n=timm@86.41.155.83] has joined #launchpad === ryanakca [i=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #launchpad === radix [n=radix@70.91.133.157] has joined #launchpad === radix [n=radix@70.91.133.157] has joined #launchpad [08:50] New bug: #74421 in rosetta "No entry for Codeine Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/74421 [08:57] we translate drug labels now too? === WebMaven [n=webmaven@ip72-193-220-34.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #launchpad === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@ppp-202-88.25-151.libero.it] has joined #launchpad [09:41] matsubara, I am publically assigning you with a new responsibility: validating the Fix Committed bugs when a rollout happens. [09:41] good luck! :-) [09:41] ouch === joejaxx [i=jadaz87@ubuntu/member/joejaxx] has joined #launchpad [09:43] life is a sea of pain and pleasure [09:44] kiko: ok [09:46] New bug: #74428 in malone "The change bug watch page tricks people into entering URLs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/74428 [09:53] kiko: that doesn't get done automatically? [09:53] automatically is good [09:54] yeah, it doesn't happen yet [09:55] that would be great [09:55] yeah. BjornT__ will love us all [09:56] Ubuntu maintainers probably will too === Phoenix7477 [n=matt@d142-179-136-166.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #launchpad [10:01] anyone free to awnser a question about karma? [10:01] always [10:01] what's up [10:01] Gooooooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders! [10:01] guttes evening mpt [10:01] well, im just kind of curious. i'm trying to learn the whole launchpad system, and the bug system to get started. and i can't seem to find much documentation on what karma is exactly, and how its calculated [10:01] hello hello [10:02] kiko, did you or SteveA get to talk with Mark about "Ask a question"? [10:02] Phoenix7477, https://help.launchpad.net/KarmaCalculation [10:02] thank you :) [10:03] mpt, we didn't :-( [10:04] mpt, I like that text myself btw [10:05] because I don't want to postpone sending the next episode of Usman's to-do list [10:05] mpt, can you rehash so I can sign off? or is this in email? [10:07] The list of graphics to draw [10:07] Currently there's a "Request support" button, which will need redrawing [10:07] right [10:08] you want the alt text to be "Ask a question" [10:08] and a button to be rendered for that? [10:08] yes [10:08] approved [10:08] thank you [10:08] yvw === silwol [n=silwol@193.170.135.113] has joined #launchpad [10:10] and goodnight :-) [10:10] New bug: #74433 in rosetta "Missing format specification in translation string should error" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/74433 [10:11] error isn't a very, btw [10:11] err [10:11] isn't a verb === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #launchpad === _thumper_ [n=tim@166-179-18-64.jamamobile.co.nz] has joined #launchpad [10:14] 3. (verb) What a program does when it stops as result of a programming error. [10:15] From The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03) [foldoc] : [10:16] a program "errors"? [10:16] yes [10:16] a program /may/ "error out" [10:16] but "errors"? [10:16] I've never heard that used anywhere [10:17] feel free to show me references by people called knuth, thompson or dijkstra === LarstiQ searches bash.org [10:20] and send me a DVD if you can't :-) [10:24] "complain" would work :-) [10:25] oh, you already used that === static [n=emurphy@194.18.118.70.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad [10:34] morning mpt [10:35] mpt: how's your coordination with brilliant going? maybe we should arrange a call with anthony sometime? [10:37] SteveA, scroll up half an hour :-) -- I'm just about to e-mail Usman + Anthony with the next to-do list [10:39] I asked mark [10:39] "ask a question" is okay [10:40] mpt: we should try to talk with anthony on the phone tomorrow morning (europe time) to talk over the email [10:40]