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| wasabi | fun. a new race in evms. | 12:55 |
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| jdong | oh look at that... | 01:06 |
| jdong | bug 74314 | 01:06 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 74314 in dapper-backports "Please backport firefox 2.0 from feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/74314 | 01:06 |
| jdong | another one :) | 01:07 |
| wasabi | Silly Firefox. | 01:08 |
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| desrt | does anyone know if it was a conscious choice to have mdns in the nssswitch on server installs? | 01:58 |
| desrt | because that seems like a pretty poor choice for servers | 01:58 |
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| desrt | or was it more like one of those things that just carried over from the desktop without anyone really thinking about it? | 01:59 |
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| erdalronahi | Hi, I am from the Kurdish LoCo/Translation team. I have only today realized that the "Kurdish Ubuntu" problem was discussed a lot on the ubuntu-devel mailinglist. | 02:59 |
| erdalronahi | We really had difficulties to follow all the discussions on several mailinglists in several languages | 03:00 |
| erdalronahi | If there is anything you would like to ask from our team, please do so | 03:00 |
| jdong | erdalronahi: I'm not sure how many developers are active at this time though :-/ | 03:01 |
| gnomefreak | none if any | 03:01 |
| erdalronahi | That's okay, I will write to the ubuntu-devel-list, too | 03:01 |
| jdong | ok | 03:01 |
| jdong | good luck, erdalronahi :) | 03:01 |
| erdalronahi | I was only shocked when I just read some of the polemics | 03:02 |
| erdalronahi | and thought I'd say hello to you | 03:02 |
| erdalronahi | thanks, jdong | 03:02 |
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| jspiro | hi all, idea : when you double-click a .mov file, ubuntu should download and install .mov player software/codecs automatically. | 03:26 |
| jspiro | when you double-click a .wmv file, ubuntu should download and install .wmv player software/codecs automatically. | 03:26 |
| jspiro | good idea? | 03:26 |
| Chipzz | that's actually a spec allready | 03:28 |
| Chipzz | but depending on upstream implementing part of it iirc | 03:28 |
| jspiro | which part? | 03:28 |
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| Chipzz | jspiro: actually, the idea is to have a gstreamer plugin which spawns a program when a codec is not found | 03:31 |
| Chipzz | the plugin would be reusable over different systems | 03:32 |
| Chipzz | the actual program would be different on different distro's | 03:32 |
| Chipzz | so I think it's blocking on the plugin being written | 03:32 |
| jspiro | cool. couldn't you guys write it yourself to make sure it's done in time for feisty? | 03:32 |
| jspiro | (just in case) | 03:32 |
| Chipzz | I'm not an ubuntu-developer really :) | 03:33 |
| Chipzz | just slacking here | 03:33 |
| Hobbsee | jspiro: not sur eif you've seen the common customisations spec - hopefully that will be covered in that. | 03:34 |
| Burgundavia | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/easy-codec-installation | 03:36 |
| jspiro | hmm. what if you click on a file you don't have a viewer for at all? like, say, an Inkscape file. | 03:38 |
| Burgundavia | inkscape uses svg | 03:39 |
| Burgundavia | which works just fine in eog | 03:39 |
| Chipzz | Hobbsee: wasn't that what I was talking about? | 03:39 |
| Hobbsee | Chipzz: possibly. not sure @ the gstreamer plugin bit | 03:40 |
| jspiro | how about .exe files auto-downloading and installing Wine? | 03:40 |
| jspiro | there are always more extensions to handle. | 03:40 |
| Burgundavia | not going to happen | 03:40 |
| crimsun | "automatically" sounds -crackful- at best. | 03:41 |
| Hobbsee | jspiro: does that also apply to viruses that might be downloading? | 03:41 |
| jspiro | Hobbsee, if users can untar and launch binaries, why can't they unzip and run .exe files? | 03:41 |
| Hobbsee | jspiro: they can. but the distro shouldnt do that for them. | 03:41 |
| Hobbsee | jspiro: ie, let the user shoot themself in the foot if they really want, but dont help them do it. | 03:42 |
| jspiro | ok, but what if they mark the .exe as executable themselves? | 03:42 |
| jspiro | then why shouldn't it install Wine? | 03:42 |
| Hobbsee | because we dont package the latest versions of wine | 03:43 |
| Burgundavia | because 9 times out of 10, the app is going to fail | 03:43 |
| Hobbsee | +1 Burgundavia. knew i'd forgotten something there | 03:43 |
| jspiro | Burgundavia, what about known-good apps like the top 30 listed at http://appdb.winehq.org? | 03:44 |
| Burgundavia | right, and wine breaks things at regular intervals | 03:44 |
| zul | anyone who wants to run an .exe should use vmware or something like that | 03:45 |
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| jspiro | ok, so it should download and install vmware :) | 03:46 |
| jspiro | wait, vmware isn't packaged. :( | 03:46 |
| zul | vmware-player is | 03:46 |
| Burgundavia | and is very non-free | 03:46 |
| jspiro | qemu is Free. | 03:46 |
| Burgundavia | possibly non-supported files should popup a dialog that links to an online page listing alternatives | 03:47 |
| jspiro | Burgundavia, hmm, like in Windows. | 03:48 |
| Burgundavia | umm, no version of windows does that | 03:48 |
| Hobbsee | it does bring up a dialog, asking what program you want to use to run it | 03:48 |
| Burgundavia | that is not what I am talking about | 03:49 |
| Hobbsee | i think that's what jspiro is though. the "like in windows" bit | 03:49 |
| Burgundavia | I am talking about saying "we know we don't support this file, here are ways to get it working" | 03:49 |
| Hobbsee | that sounds sane | 03:49 |
| jspiro | it brings up a dialog offering to take you to FilExt.com or some site like that. | 03:49 |
| jspiro | or you can just choose a local app to use to view it. | 03:50 |
| Burgundavia | right | 03:50 |
| Burgundavia | start a discussion on -desktop and then once a rough consensus is reached, write a spec | 03:50 |
| Burgundavia | then find somebody to do it :) | 03:50 |
| jspiro | nah :) | 03:51 |
| Burgundavia | only way it is going to get into Ubuntu | 03:51 |
| jspiro | it's not that important that it's worth bothering for me. | 03:52 |
| Hobbsee | then why'd you bother to bring it up here? | 03:52 |
| jspiro | Hobbsee, i thought it could be a mere wishlist bug filed against gnome or some such. | 03:52 |
| Hobbsee | jspiro: then file it, instead of random wand waving, hoping someone else will do it? we're not fairies, you know. | 03:53 |
| zul | heh some of us ar | 03:53 |
| zul | are even | 03:53 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 03:54 |
| ajmitch | zul: us? you count yourself in there? | 03:55 |
| zul | of course | 03:56 |
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| Hobbsee | ajmitch: then again, zul *does* work on xen. | 03:56 |
| Hobbsee | so he's a bit crazy anyway :P | 03:57 |
| crimsun | a man with a stout heart he is. | 03:57 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: it could be worse | 03:58 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 03:59 |
| ajmitch | he could work on kde | 03:59 |
| Hobbsee | hah! | 03:59 |
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| zul | no i need some sanity left | 04:00 |
| Burgundavia | ajmitch: he works on Xen and he is canadian | 04:07 |
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| ajmitch | Burgundavia: point | 04:09 |
| bhale | Burgundavia: one hell of a beard, too | 04:10 |
| Burgundavia | keeps the cold out | 04:10 |
| bhale | or wins a ZZ Top lookalike contest | 04:11 |
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| fabbione | morning | 04:13 |
| rmjb | night | 04:13 |
| Hobbsee | hey fabbione | 04:14 |
| ajmitch | hello fabbione | 04:14 |
| wasabi | lp broke? | 04:14 |
| wasabi | getting timeouts. | 04:14 |
| bhale | wasabi: wfm | 04:15 |
| wasabi | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu | 04:15 |
| wasabi | looks like other URLs work. | 04:15 |
| bhale | suppose youre right | 04:15 |
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| rmjb | hey I see there's a Falcon repository software available? | 04:25 |
| rmjb | does that do repo cacheing? | 04:25 |
| bhale | falcon is a tool by Seveas to create apt archives | 04:26 |
| bhale | i dont see how caching comes into it | 04:26 |
| rmjb | is there a repo cacheing software available? for instance, one a company may use to cache packages used on it's desktop fleet? | 04:27 |
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| bhale | apt-cache, apt-proxy | 04:28 |
| bhale | hi Hobbsee | 04:28 |
| bhale | apt-cacher | 04:28 |
| bhale | approx | 04:29 |
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| rmjb | thanks bhale apt-proxy looks like what I was thinking about | 04:30 |
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| Chipzz | bhale: apt-cacher is really really broken | 04:36 |
| bhale | Chipzz: apt-proxy isnt exactly a shining example of good software.. | 04:36 |
| rmjb | I'm seeing now a lot of these types of projects are abandoned... trying to find one that isn't | 04:37 |
| Chipzz | bhale: and apt-cacher just... BREAKS | 04:37 |
| rmjb | but at least I have a direction | 04:37 |
| Chipzz | bhale: apt-cacher can't resume downloads, and gives garbage when a file is incomplete | 04:37 |
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| Chipzz | which is bad bad bad | 04:37 |
| Chipzz | you manually have to remove the file | 04:37 |
| bhale | ok very sorry for mentioning it | 04:38 |
| bhale | shrug | 04:38 |
| Chipzz | bhale: I wasn't attacking you, just trying to explain why apt-cacher is not a good idea ;) | 04:40 |
| Chipzz | anyway, that bug may have been fixed, but I think it hasn't | 04:40 |
| Chipzz | I abandonded it quite a while ago | 04:40 |
| Chipzz | (abandonded -> using) | 04:41 |
| rmjb | Chipzz: since you were using it before what are you using in place of it now? | 04:42 |
| Chipzz | rmjb: nothing | 04:43 |
| rmjb | because you no longer have the need or there's nothing that works? | 04:43 |
| Chipzz | I don't have a large setup anyway; was just trying to save some bandwith | 04:43 |
| Chipzz | didn't know about apt-proxy, didn't have the need really | 04:44 |
| rmjb | I don't have a large setup either, just a couple vm's to test packages on and I'd like to cache the dependencies for when I'm tweaking the control files and re-testing | 04:45 |
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| Chipzz | you could manually copy the downloaded files in /var/cache/apt/archive? ;) | 04:47 |
| rmjb | that's all? | 04:48 |
| rmjb | or! I could nfs mount that directory to a persistent server... one that's not being reverted to a snapshot | 04:48 |
| rmjb | that's the ticket! | 04:48 |
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| fabbione | sfllaw: i am going to prepare an SRU for edgy #67299 today. | 05:56 |
| fabbione | sfllaw: just that you know | 05:56 |
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| sfllaw | fabbione: Thanks for the heads up. | 06:00 |
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| fabbione | sfllaw: also.. those are a series of bugs. there is one in the group that was identified only later in the process and i will need more work to fix it | 06:08 |
| fabbione | sfllaw: (it's some kind of mdadm overlapping with evms/lvm) | 06:08 |
| fabbione | sfllaw: but i agreed with the submitter that we will work on it after the first SRU that affects more users | 06:08 |
| fabbione | (it's all logged in the bug.. ) | 06:08 |
| sfllaw | fabbione: Excellent. I'll look into it tomorrow. | 06:09 |
| fabbione | sfllaw: perfect.. | 06:09 |
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| dilinger | are there any xorg 7.2 packages floating around? | 07:34 |
| dilinger | i mean, pre-7.2 (as it hasn't been released yet) | 07:34 |
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| toresbe | thanks for flash 9! | 07:40 |
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| fabbione | dilinger: no, not yet. I think rodarvus is working on it | 07:52 |
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| dilinger | fabbione: is he waiting for 7.2 to be released? | 07:55 |
| fabbione | dilinger: not sure to be hounest | 08:05 |
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| Burgundavia | dilinger: 7.2 is not yet out | 08:09 |
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| dholbach | <v | 08:10 |
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| fabbione | Burgundavia: please read a few lines above what he wrote | 08:11 |
| fabbione | <dilinger> i mean, pre-7.2 (as it hasn't been released yet) | 08:11 |
| Burgundavia | fabbione: right, sorry | 08:11 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 08:39 |
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| dholbach | heya pitti | 08:39 |
| === pitti hugs dholbach | ||
| _ion | you.each {|person| hi person } | 08:44 |
| pitti | _ion: happy ruby morning! | 08:50 |
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| ajmitch | hi pitti | 09:07 |
| pitti | hey ajmitch, how was the weekend? | 09:09 |
| ajmitch | fairly quiet :) | 09:10 |
| ajmitch | how was your weekend? | 09:10 |
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| seb128 | is anybody here using procmail to filter its Ubuntu lists with one rule and $MATCH? | 09:12 |
| jdub | yeah | 09:12 |
| fabbione | seb128: yeah | 09:12 |
| jdub | i'll paste | 09:12 |
| fabbione | seb128: see /msg | 09:13 |
| fabbione | and adapt to your needs :) | 09:13 |
| seb128 | jdub, fabbione: thanks you ;) | 09:14 |
| mdke | ooh. Can I see too? | 09:15 |
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| pitti | Mithrandir: btw, are you aware of giskard's merge of n-m? http://www.buntudot.org/people/~giskard | 09:20 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: yes, I've just failed to act on it so far. :-( | 09:20 |
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| pitti | Mithrandir: yeah, no hurry, I just wanted to make sure that you know about it | 09:20 |
| pitti | ajmitch: what's the status of samba? shall I help you with the merge? | 09:21 |
| ajmitch | no, it's done | 09:22 |
| ajmitch | I'm just waiting for the archive to unfreeze | 09:22 |
| pitti | ajmitch: ah, cool (feel free to upload it already, btw) | 09:23 |
| ajmitch | yeah, I probably should upload that & f-spot :) | 09:23 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir: how is herd 1 going, anything we can do to help? | 09:26 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: spinning hopefully final cds now | 09:27 |
| seb128 | cool | 09:27 |
| seb128 | unfreeze the archive before we start uploading GNOME 2.17.3 would be nice | 09:27 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: so if you want to test http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20061204/ , please do. :-) | 09:28 |
| seb128 | otherwise I'm not sure on how cahotic it will go for the buildd ;) | 09:28 |
| seb128 | let's download a CD image :) | 09:28 |
| Mithrandir | cheers | 09:30 |
| ajmitch | which ones need testing? | 09:30 |
| Mithrandir | all but the amd64 ones are oversized. GNR | 09:32 |
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| sivang | morning | 09:34 |
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| fabbione | Mithrandir: do you think you can give me sparc server soonish rather than very latish? | 09:52 |
| fabbione | (cd image) | 09:52 |
| seb128 | I hate regexp and procmail :p | 09:52 |
| seb128 | why something like that doesn't work? | 09:53 |
| seb128 | :0 | 09:53 |
| seb128 | * ^List-Id:.*<\/\.lists\.ubuntu\.com.* | 09:53 |
| seb128 | .ubuntu.$MATCH/ | 09:53 |
| fabbione | :0: | 09:53 |
| Mithrandir | fabbione: running | 09:53 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: thanks | 09:53 |
| seb128 | fabbione: :0 or :0: what difference? | 09:54 |
| seb128 | :0 [flags] [ : [locallockfile] ] | 09:54 |
| seb128 | from the manpage | 09:54 |
| Treenaks | seb128: I'd also add a check to see if it comes from an ubuntu mailserver... otherwise anyone can create mailboxes for you.. | 09:54 |
| fabbione | seb128: i don't recall.. but i have :0: everywhere | 09:54 |
| seb128 | fabbione: I think that's about the same | 09:55 |
| Treenaks | seb128: :0: == lock (necessary for mbox files); :0 = don't lock (maildir) | 09:55 |
| seb128 | Treenaks: ah ok, thank you (for the lock) | 09:55 |
| seb128 | Treenaks: I've no said I'll not filter on the mailserver, I just want to know what is wrong to that regexp for now :p | 09:56 |
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| pitti | seb128: where does $MATCH come from? Don't you usually need a () to capture substrings? | 09:58 |
| seb128 | pitti: \/ | 09:59 |
| seb128 | MATCH This variable is assigned to by procmail whenever it is told to extract text from a matching regular | 09:59 |
| seb128 | expression. It will contain all text matching the regular expression past the \/ token. | 09:59 |
| seb128 | (from the manpage) | 09:59 |
| pitti | seb128: ah | 09:59 |
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| pitti | seb128: but why do you want to capture 'lists.ubuntu.com>'? don't you want the list name (before the .lists)? | 10:00 |
| seb128 | pitti: I'm not sure I understand how it works in fact | 10:01 |
| seb128 | <\/\.lists ... I want to get everything between "<" and ".lists.ubuntu.com" | 10:01 |
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| pitti | seb128: but that's not what \/ does | 10:02 |
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| seb128 | hum | 10:03 |
| seb128 | * ^List-Id:.*<\[^\.] * | 10:03 |
| seb128 | * ^List-Id:.*<\/[^\.] * | 10:03 |
| seb128 | that then? | 10:03 |
| Mithrandir | fabbione: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/20061204.1/ ; the edgy images there are going away, I just forgot to rm them first. | 10:04 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: thanks. i use rsync so that shouldn't be an issue | 10:05 |
| pitti | seb128: that will capture e. g. 'sounder.lists.ubuntu.com>' | 10:05 |
| seb128 | pitti: why? should it capture everything until the first "."? | 10:05 |
| pitti | seb128: ah, right | 10:05 |
| seb128 | shouldn't | 10:05 |
| seb128 | my regexp foo sucks | 10:05 |
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| fabbione | seb128: can i quote that in my next gnome bug report? :P | 10:06 |
| === seb128 slaps fabbione | ||
| Mithrandir | hooray, live images should be testable now. | 10:06 |
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| Mithrandir | yay, non-oversized alternate images. | 10:15 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: please test alternate/20061204.1 instead of 20061204 | 10:15 |
| === ajmitch just finished getting 20061204 :) | ||
| Mithrandir | ajmitch: it should rsync pretty quickly over 1204, it's just a bunch of langpacks that have been removed | 10:16 |
| === seb128 is still downloading | ||
| ajmitch | Mithrandir: I grabbed with jigdo anyway | 10:16 |
| === Mithrandir builds ogra some edubuntu images. | ||
| ajmitch | great, nothing to download | 10:17 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: do we care about DVD images for herd 1? I think no, since we're already late.. | 10:18 |
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| cjwatson | seb128: how about: | 10:21 |
| cjwatson | * ^List-Id:.*<.*\.lists\.ubuntu\.com> | 10:21 |
| cjwatson | * ^List-Id:.*<\/[^.] + | 10:21 |
| cjwatson | that'll give you the list name in $MATCH | 10:21 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: no | 10:21 |
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| ajmitch | keyboard detection seems odd in vmware (alternate) | 10:22 |
| seb128 | cjwatson: hum, looks good, let me try, thank you. is [^.] the same as [^\.] ? | 10:24 |
| pitti | seb128: in char classes [] a dot is not magic | 10:24 |
| cjwatson | . is not special within [] so you don't need to escape it | 10:24 |
| cjwatson | ajmitch: oh? | 10:24 |
| seb128 | ah ok | 10:24 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, pitti: thank you | 10:25 |
| ajmitch | picks it up as jp after asking me to press various keys | 10:25 |
| cjwatson | you sure you pressed the right keys? :) | 10:25 |
| ajmitch | yep | 10:25 |
| ajmitch | did it a couple of times :) | 10:25 |
| cjwatson | what layout do you have? | 10:25 |
| ajmitch | standard US layout | 10:25 |
| fabbione | score | 10:25 |
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| ajmitch | it's also not mounting the cd, seems to be missing isofs module? | 10:26 |
| Mithrandir | oh well, ogra's images are oversized and he's not around to test them.. | 10:26 |
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| === fabbione is on sparc netinstall + raid + lvm crackness | ||
| cjwatson | missing isofs> damn | 10:27 |
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| fabbione | cjwatson: where? | 10:27 |
| Mithrandir | Riddell: plz test http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20061204/ ; I'm rolling -live images for you too now. | 10:28 |
| Riddell | Mithrandir: downloading | 10:28 |
| Mithrandir | Riddell: great. | 10:28 |
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| pitti | Mithrandir: summoning powers? :) | 10:29 |
| pitti | hi ogra | 10:29 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: apparently. | 10:30 |
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| Mithrandir | ogra: I have oversized images for you. | 10:30 |
| ogra | sexy :) | 10:30 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: ogra takes only oversize... | 10:31 |
| cjwatson | cjwatson@drescher:~$ for x in ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.19/*.udeb; do dpkg -c $x | grep isofs && echo $x; done | 10:31 |
| ogra | haha | 10:31 |
| cjwatson | cjwatson@drescher:~$ | 10:31 |
| cjwatson | BENC | 10:31 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: should I build you livefs-es too? | 10:31 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: gnr, so all the alternates are busted. | 10:31 |
| fabbione | oh great... meh.... | 10:31 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: I think I'm going to upload the kernel | 10:31 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: go for it | 10:32 |
| cjwatson | there goes anything else I was planning to do this morning | 10:32 |
| cjwatson | how can I avoid breaking the ABI checker? | 10:32 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: i can help you.. | 10:32 |
| fabbione | just gimme a couple of minutes that i finish my food | 10:32 |
| cjwatson | fabbione: can I maybe feed you a patch and you upload it? | 10:32 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: sure thing | 10:33 |
| cjwatson | chances are I'll get it wrong | 10:33 |
| cjwatson | thanks | 10:33 |
| cjwatson | ajmitch: thanks for the heads-up | 10:33 |
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| fabbione | oh actually... | 10:37 |
| fabbione | meh | 10:37 |
| fabbione | i can't clone | 10:37 |
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| Mithrandir | Riddell: desktop images up too | 10:39 |
| cjwatson | so hmm. traditionally isofs is in ide-modules, but that's gone | 10:42 |
| cjwatson | storage-core-modules maybe | 10:42 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, live is usualy a bt smaller, try it ... | 10:43 |
| fabbione | infinity: do you know if ports is mirroring again? | 10:43 |
| elmo | fabbione: no, it's not yet. ETA is tomorrow or Wednesday | 10:44 |
| fabbione | elmo: ok thanks dude | 10:44 |
| cjwatson | fabbione: ok, yeah, can you just add 'isofs' on the line immediately after 'cdrom' in debian/d-i/modules/storage-core-modules? | 10:45 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: yes.. will do. do we have isofs as module on all arches? | 10:45 |
| cjwatson | yes | 10:45 |
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| Riddell | Mithrandir: thanks | 10:46 |
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| fabbione | cjwatson: this abi change is going to be painful. i need to do some manual work here.. | 10:47 |
| cjwatson | ABI change? | 10:48 |
| fabbione | or do a global abi override | 10:48 |
| fabbione | no | 10:48 |
| cjwatson | I really hope you mean lack thereof :) | 10:48 |
| fabbione | there is no abi change in adding a module to udeb | 10:48 |
| fabbione | the problem is the getabi script.. | 10:48 |
| fabbione | it doesn't cope with the new kernels | 10:48 |
| fabbione | and them being in universe | 10:48 |
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| Mithrandir | ogra: running. | 10:48 |
| ogra | thanks | 10:48 |
| cjwatson | which new kernels? | 10:48 |
| infinity | -lowlatency | 10:48 |
| infinity | They're in universe. | 10:49 |
| cjwatson | ah | 10:49 |
| infinity | The getabi script grabs from pool/main/k | 10:49 |
| infinity | It's not very bright. | 10:49 |
| fabbione | no and it doesn't cope with all new/old kernel flavours | 10:49 |
| Mithrandir | you can't just disable the checker for this upload? | 10:50 |
| Mithrandir | (yes, I know that's bad) | 10:50 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: that's what i am looking at | 10:50 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: the abi checker kicks in a few places :) | 10:50 |
| fabbione | just a minute please | 10:50 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: are you sure cdrom module??? it's already in that list | 10:51 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: or you meant isofs ? | 10:51 |
| fabbione | oh never mind | 10:51 |
| === fabbione puts down the pipew | ||
| cjwatson | isofs, yes | 10:57 |
| fabbione | ok almost done | 10:58 |
| fabbione | just doing a last check | 10:58 |
| dholbach | ogra: there's a new g-p-m | 10:58 |
| cjwatson | I'm just uploading a few bits of d-i to cope with the fs-core-modules/fs-secondary-modules changes | 10:58 |
| fabbione | cjwatson, Mithrandir: mind to ask BenC not to rip off my testicles after this upload please? :) | 10:59 |
| dholbach | ogra: good morning btw :) | 10:59 |
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| cjwatson | I'll take the bullet for the emergency upload | 10:59 |
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| ogra | dholbach, i'm waiting for giskard, he wanted to clearify some things | 10:59 |
| dholbach | ogra: alrighty | 11:00 |
| cjwatson | fs-core-modules and fs-secondary-modules are both Priority: standard, so hopefully these won't really be needed, but just in case | 11:00 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: just kidding.. i have issues to get git working these days and they will have to live with a debdiff | 11:00 |
| fabbione | dpkg-source: building linux-source-2.6.19 in linux-source-2.6.19_2.6.19-7.11.tar.gz | 11:00 |
| fabbione | getting there | 11:00 |
| cjwatson | I'm sure that will be OK | 11:00 |
| fabbione | linux-source-2.6.19 (2.6.19-7.11) feisty; urgency=low | 11:00 |
| fabbione | * Add isofs to storage-core-modules | 11:00 |
| fabbione | * Disable abi checker for this upload... brrrrrr.... | 11:00 |
| fabbione | -- Fabio M. Di Nitto <fabbione@ubuntu.com> Mon, 04 Dec 2006 10:52:41 +0100 | 11:00 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: do you want a debdiff for approval? | 11:00 |
| pitti | fabbione: the last time we disabled the abi checker, we broke many people's X :) | 11:01 |
| === fabbione uploads in the meantime | ||
| fabbione | pitti: it's no code change this time :) | 11:01 |
| ogra | dholbach, likewise i'm waiting for libgnomekbd for gnome-screensaver (its a new builddep) | 11:01 |
| Mithrandir | fabbione: I'll look at it when it hits the queue | 11:01 |
| sivang | abi checker is part of the kernel or the buildd ? | 11:02 |
| pitti | fabbione: out of interest, why does the checker barf then? | 11:02 |
| fabbione | pitti: because i don't have the old ABI's from the previous upload | 11:02 |
| pitti | fabbione: OIC | 11:02 |
| fabbione | pitti: and it would take me a great deal of time to get them | 11:02 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: sparc netinstall is good | 11:02 |
| cjwatson | sivang: part of the kernel source package | 11:02 |
| cjwatson | hmm, yeah, I guess netboot ought to work | 11:03 |
| cjwatson | good | 11:03 |
| fabbione | do we need a new d-i?.. | 11:03 |
| sivang | cjwatson: thx | 11:03 |
| cjwatson | yes, we will | 11:03 |
| fabbione | ok | 11:03 |
| fabbione | well it's uploading | 11:03 |
| dholbach | ogra: hum, who are you waiting for with that one? | 11:03 |
| pitti | ogra: I'd like to drop the default dhclient dhcp timeout from 60 to 30 seconds; is that a problem for you? | 11:06 |
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| ogra | pitti, no, thats fine i think ... | 11:08 |
| ogra | dholbach, seb128, he already has a package (showed it to me in SF) | 11:08 |
| dholbach | ok | 11:09 |
| seb128 | speaking about libgnomekbd? | 11:09 |
| dholbach | is that waiting in NEW? | 11:09 |
| dholbach | seb128: yes | 11:09 |
| seb128 | no | 11:09 |
| seb128 | it's waiting on a gnome-control-center tarball not conflicting with it in fact | 11:09 |
| dholbach | ahh, good we hired a g-c-c upstream ;-) | 11:10 |
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| ogra | poset herd1 stuff anyway | 11:10 |
| seb128 | :p | 11:10 |
| ogra | *post | 11:10 |
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| seb128 | yeah | 11:10 |
| dholbach | ogra: we're packaging gnome 2.17.3 atm | 11:10 |
| === ogra hugs the desktop team | ||
| dholbach | even if that's post herd 1 | 11:10 |
| seb128 | gnome-control-center and gnome-applets needs to use it in the same time | 11:10 |
| dholbach | right | 11:10 |
| ogra | oh, my g-ss package is still 17.2, thanks for the info | 11:10 |
| cjwatson | ajmitch: *headscratch*. It seems to think that the us layout has a key | 11:10 |
| cjwatson | which us(intl) has, but us doesn't | 11:11 |
| ajmitch | yes, my keyboard certainly doesn't | 11:11 |
| cjwatson | yeah, it's not meant to | 11:11 |
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| fabbione | Uploading to ubuntu (via ftp to upload.ubuntu.com): | 11:15 |
| fabbione | linux-source-2.6.19_2.6.19-7.11.dsc: done. | 11:15 |
| fabbione | linux-source-2.6.19_2.6.19-7.11.tar.gz: done. | 11:15 |
| fabbione | linux-source-2.6.19_2.6.19-7.11_source.changes: done. | 11:15 |
| fabbione | Successfully uploaded packages. | 11:15 |
| fabbione | Not running dinstall. | 11:15 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: it's all your | 11:15 |
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| ogra | Keybuk, ! | 11:15 |
| Keybuk | ? | 11:15 |
| fabbione | Keybuk: RUN RUN RUN you are still in time! | 11:16 |
| ogra | Keybuk, i have a longstanding fuse bug i'd love to solve | 11:16 |
| Keybuk | ask me about it tomorrow ;) | 11:16 |
| ogra | the udev rule for /dev/fuse is shipped in fuse-utils | 11:16 |
| ogra | oki | 11:16 |
| Keybuk | that's because the user for the device is created by fuse-utils | 11:17 |
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| ogra | yeah, i'd like to move both into udev somewhere ... people seem to use the module without fuse-utils, so it breaks for them | 11:17 |
| Keybuk | group, I mean | 11:17 |
| Keybuk | no | 11:17 |
| Keybuk | udev will not create groups | 11:17 |
| Keybuk | if you want it as a standard group, move it into base-files | 11:18 |
| cjwatson | fabbione: thanks | 11:18 |
| ogra | well, then into the bits that care for groups, my main concern with udev is the rules file | 11:18 |
| cjwatson | Keybuk: that's base-passwd | 11:18 |
| cjwatson | and PLEASE nobody edit base-passwd to add groups | 11:18 |
| cjwatson | it needs to be ported to debconf first | 11:18 |
| Keybuk | err, what cjwatson said -- in both points :p | 11:18 |
| ogra | i wont, dont worry :) | 11:18 |
| cjwatson | (plus I'd really like to keep base-passwd in sync with Debian) | 11:18 |
| ogra | i just want to fix that bug during feisty ;) | 11:19 |
| Keybuk | the reason that the udev package shouldn't make groups is that the system needs to still work when udev isn't installed | 11:19 |
| cjwatson | is depending on fuse-utils in a few more places a problem? | 11:19 |
| Keybuk | udev is just a mechanism for maintaining /dev, as is makedev | 11:19 |
| cjwatson | I don't think fuse belongs as a standard group *anyway* | 11:19 |
| cjwatson | as in, if I got a request to add it to base-passwd, I would reject it with "use adduser --system" | 11:20 |
| ogra | thats what happens currently | 11:20 |
| cjwatson | that's good | 11:20 |
| ogra | from the fuse-utils postinst | 11:20 |
| Keybuk | what's wrong with that? | 11:20 |
| cjwatson | if you need to call adduser --system in a couple more places, that's fine too | 11:20 |
| ogra | but we ship the module in the kernel package | 11:20 |
| Keybuk | you need fuse-utils to use fuse devices anyway | 11:20 |
| Keybuk | the module alone isn't sufficient, aiui | 11:20 |
| ogra | some people dont ... apparently | 11:21 |
| Keybuk | who? | 11:21 |
| cjwatson | you clearly need fuse-utils if only for the group. :) | 11:21 |
| cjwatson | so we aren't breaking any existing setups - anyone without fuse-utils is broken | 11:22 |
| cjwatson | we could consider installing fuse-utils by default | 11:22 |
| ogra | Keybuk, bug 74185 and bug 71771 | 11:22 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 74185 in fuse "wrong permissions on /dev/fuse" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/74185 | 11:22 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 71771 in fuse "[Edgy] [Regression] /dev/fuse should be root:fuse" [Medium,Rejected] http://launchpad.net/bugs/71771 | 11:22 |
| ogra | cjwatson, that sounds like the sanest plan | 11:22 |
| pitti | given today's popularity, fuse-utils in desktop is worth considering IMHO; it's only 57kB compressed | 11:23 |
| Keybuk | ogra: neither of those bugs make it clear why they don't have fuse-utils installed | 11:23 |
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| ogra | (i do it in edubuntu and dont have these probs ;) ) | 11:23 |
| ogra | Keybuk, i know ... but its not there ... no matter why ... and people load the module whith the wrong permissions, that shouldnt be possible ... | 11:24 |
| cjwatson | desktop> I'd have said standard, but *shrug* | 11:24 |
| Keybuk | loading the module isn't enough to use it though | 11:24 |
| Keybuk | you can load the ppp module, but you still need pppd :) | 11:24 |
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| ogra | but yu can load it ... even if its not a real bug because its not usable, you can still load it into a broken state which i'd like to avoid | 11:25 |
| Keybuk | it's not broken | 11:25 |
| Keybuk | root can still use it :) | 11:25 |
| Keybuk | and only root can install fuse-utils | 11:25 |
| ogra | :P | 11:25 |
| Keybuk | which postinst fixes the permissions anyway | 11:25 |
| ogra | nitpicker, you know what i mean :) | 11:25 |
| Keybuk | no, I don't | 11:26 |
| ogra | the device permissions should "juat work" if i load the module ... one way or the other | 11:26 |
| ogra | *just | 11:26 |
| Keybuk | I don't see a problem here; reject any bugs with "install the fuse-utils package" | 11:26 |
| sivang | can anyone confirm that irda-utils works in its current version on feisty? | 11:27 |
| ogra | thats what i do | 11:27 |
| Keybuk | and we can arrange for that to be installed | 11:27 |
| ogra | right | 11:27 |
| Keybuk | solved then | 11:27 |
| ogra | :) | 11:27 |
| Keybuk | the permissions seem cosmetic, given the device itself is useless without fuse-utils | 11:27 |
| ogra | you could hack your own fusermount together .... | 11:28 |
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| Keybuk | yes ... | 11:28 |
| Keybuk | and if someone has the skills to do that, I'm sure they know about adduser | 11:28 |
| Keybuk | I could write my own kernel module that needs the "l33t" group | 11:28 |
| Keybuk | that doesn't mean we should put that into base-passwd :p | 11:28 |
| ogra | the current prposed solution is fine :) | 11:29 |
| ogra | *proposed | 11:29 |
| sivang | kent: just to make sure, the AUTOMATIC support and template in irda-utils is to enable upstart to start it on boot when an irda device is detected? | 11:38 |
| sivang | hrm | 11:38 |
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| cjwatson | smurf: ajmitch reported that us is being misdetected as jp in feisty at the moment; gen_keymap is incorrectly generating a tree claiming that is in the us keymap. I *think* this is because it decides that us is a submap of us(intl) (which does have a key, albeit third-level) and making incorrect decisions based on that. Do you have any idea what might be going on here? | 12:06 |
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| Fujitsu | cjwatson: Can you please let gcl (and maxima, once gcl has built) into dapper-updates? | 12:08 |
| cjwatson | Fujitsu: not right now, but in a bit I'll look | 12:08 |
| cjwatson | I'm assuming there is a bug to which ubuntu-archive is subscribed | 12:09 |
| Fujitsu | It doesn't have ubuntu-archive subscribed, but that can be quickly rectified. | 12:09 |
| cjwatson | please do that, yes | 12:09 |
| Fujitsu | Done. | 12:10 |
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| ailean | cjwatson, I noticed this on the ubuntu homepage a few days ago if it means anything. it came up in japanese instead of english until i hard-refreshed it a couple of times. i'm using edgy though. | 12:18 |
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| ogra | Mithrandir, do you want to build the isos from the edubuntu livefs ? | 12:44 |
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| Mithrandir | ogra: running | 12:46 |
| ogra | thanks :) | 12:47 |
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| cjwatson | ailean: I don't maintain the web site; newz2000 does | 12:50 |
| ailean | cjwatson, ok | 12:51 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: done | 12:51 |
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| Mithrandir | ogra: and, I give you OVERSIZED. | 12:52 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir: desktop i386 liveCD works fine for me, I'm doing an install now | 12:52 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: woo | 12:52 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: i386 + ppc is oversized. Enjoy. | 12:53 |
| Robot101 | ruh-roh | 12:53 |
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| mnepton | PPC *is* oversized. hence no G5 Apple laptops. | 12:53 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: tell me when you've shaved off some langpacks and I'll rerun | 12:54 |
| ogra | yeps | 12:55 |
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| ogra | ouch ... | 01:03 |
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| ogra | language-pack-kde-$(language) was apparently instaled for *all* langs ... | 01:04 |
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| smurf | cjwatson: not at the moment. Sub-maps based only on third-level keys are somewhat ugly :-( | 01:11 |
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| Riddell | Mithrandir: the alternate CD complains about not being able to mount the CD. and pyqt is entirely broken so ubiquity doesn't start on the desktop CD | 01:12 |
| PecisDarbs | elmo: here? | 01:12 |
| Mithrandir | Riddell: the former is known; isofs is missing. Colin and Fabio are in the process of fixing / have fixed it. | 01:13 |
| Riddell | yeah, I saw that uploaded | 01:13 |
| cjwatson | smurf: maybe it's doing submaps/third-level-exclusions the wrong way round? | 01:16 |
| cjwatson | Riddell: pyqt's your problem, I suspect :-) | 01:16 |
| Riddell | cjwatson: I know I know | 01:16 |
| StevenK | Riddell: Would it be bug 73912? | 01:17 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 73912 in python-qt3 "[Feisty] qt module is busted" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/73912 | 01:17 |
| PecisDarbs | anyone knows is elmo is active here? I have several questions to ask him, but he doesn't seem to answer :) | 01:18 |
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| cjwatson | PecisDarbs: are you sure he's the proper person to ask? | 01:18 |
| PecisDarbs | cjwatson: jono sent me to him :) So I don't know, I just want to know some details about one ticket :) | 01:19 |
| Riddell | StevenK: sounds likely | 01:19 |
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| cjwatson | PecisDarbs: often helps to tell people exactly what you want up-front; busy people are sometimes reluctant to answer open-ended pings because they don't know how long they'll take | 01:20 |
| StevenK | Riddell: I tried to fix it, and ran out of clues. I tried to dump everything I had figured out into the bug. | 01:20 |
| cjwatson | and, dude, six minutes | 01:20 |
| Riddell | StevenK: I wonder if it's gcc visibility=hidden being turned on | 01:21 |
| PecisDarbs | cjwatson: I understand and that is why I usually lay out concrete question in private, maybe he just missed that | 01:21 |
| cjwatson | you could also try e-mail | 01:21 |
| smurf | cjwatson: It tries to not use third-level at all, if possible | 01:21 |
| StevenK | Riddell: I didn't even know gcc had that option. :-/ | 01:22 |
| Riddell | doko_: any opinion on if bug 73912 is likey to be caused by visibility? | 01:23 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 73912 in python-qt3 "[Feisty] qt module is busted" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/73912 | 01:23 |
| StevenK | Riddell: And I bet initqt doesn't appear in the installed .so due to being stripped. | 01:23 |
| smurf | PecisDarbs: To be brutally honest, not ending every sentence with a smiley would probably improve your chances | 01:23 |
| smurf | cjwatson: is there a bug filed on this? | 01:24 |
| doko_ | Riddell: does 3.16 work, when built in feisty? is sip-qt4 updated? | 01:25 |
| ogra | oh crap ... when was linuxprinting.org-ppds added to -desktop ? i totally missed that ... | 01:25 |
| StevenK | doko_: No, yes | 01:26 |
| StevenK | Actually 3.16 doesn't even build with the updated -qt4 | 01:27 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, there is a new edubuntu-meta in the queue ... could you please approve it ? the seeds are fixed langpack wise | 01:27 |
| StevenK | Er, sip-qt4 | 01:27 |
| doko_ | StevenK: other topic: do you build python2.5 modules now? | 01:27 |
| jono | PecisDarbs, just wait for the ticket to be processed | 01:28 |
| jono | PecisDarbs, you will need to be patient | 01:28 |
| StevenK | doko_: 3.17-0ubuntu1 does, yes | 01:28 |
| doko_ | nice | 01:28 |
| Mithrandir | Riddell: does this mean kubuntu will just drop herd 1 or do you want to invest effort into fixing it? | 01:28 |
| Mithrandir | (before the end of today or so) | 01:28 |
| PecisDarbs | jono: I just need answer for other guys, how much do you think it could take, aprox.? | 01:28 |
| jono | PecisDarbs, no idea, they are pretty busy guys | 01:29 |
| doko_ | Riddell, StevenK: you could build using gcc-snapshot to see if it changes anything | 01:29 |
| jono | PecisDarbs, just tell the other guys it will take as long as it takes :) | 01:29 |
| StevenK | I was pondering building with __attribute__ ((visibility("default"))), to see if it was visibility related | 01:29 |
| PecisDarbs | jono I see | 01:29 |
| doko_ | Riddell: I had the impression, that you didn't change anything with the visibility attribute | 01:29 |
| PecisDarbs | thanks anyway and sorry for disturbance ;) | 01:30 |
| Riddell | I don't see visibility in qt causing a problem with exporting a symbol in python-qt | 01:30 |
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| StevenK | Well, I would if I wasn't falling asleep in front of my machine. | 01:32 |
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| Hobbsee | StevenK: cold shower. | 01:33 |
| Riddell | mm, python-qt is being built with visibility=hidden | 01:34 |
| Riddell | wonder what tells it to do that | 01:34 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: there is? | 01:34 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: nobody seems to have told drescher. :-P | 01:34 |
| \sh | Riddell: overwrite it via CXXFlags? | 01:36 |
| cjwatson | smurf: there is now; https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/keymapper/+bug/74375 | 01:37 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 74375 in keymapper "us misdetected as jp" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 01:37 |
| cjwatson | ogra: -> http://librarian.launchpad.net/5242936/dMEeyw0GCwPWGI2ee9VXsHPU8R3.txt (GPG verification of edubuntu-meta_1.21_source.changes failed: No public key) | 01:38 |
| Riddell | \sh: how? | 01:39 |
| StevenK | I note that most of the buildable stuff in -qt is done via SIP | 01:40 |
| cjwatson | ogra: that may be a transient error; do you think you signed that upload properly? if so I can attempt to reprocess it | 01:40 |
| StevenK | Black magic that it is. | 01:40 |
| \sh | Riddell: -fvisibility? | 01:40 |
| \sh | Riddell: I'll just try it | 01:40 |
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| Mithrandir | ogra: if you just changed ship or ship-live, you don't need a -meta upload | 01:42 |
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| pitti | Mithrandir: just to refresh my mind, this is also true for 'live'? | 01:43 |
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| Mithrandir | pitti: iirc, yes. | 01:44 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: ^^ please correct me if I'm wrong. | 01:45 |
| pitti | ISTR that this was changed in dapper or edgy or so | 01:45 |
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| cjwatson | pitti,Mithrandir: yes, changed in edgy | 01:46 |
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| ogra | Mithrandir, i discovered that linuxprinting.org-ppds was missing as well ... | 01:49 |
| ogra | (from desktop) | 01:49 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: ok, sure; there's still no upload from you in the queue though, so either you tell cjwatson that you signed the previous one properly and it's a transient error or you should reupload a signed package. | 01:50 |
| mvo | can someone please do the smart sync from https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/smart/+bug/73882 please? | 01:51 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 73882 in smart "Please sync from debian/incoming (overwrite ok)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 01:51 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, hmm ? i have an .upload file here ... and its surely signed with the keyi always use | 01:51 |
| Mithrandir | mvo: is it urgent? If not, please just leave it on ubuntu-archive's work list | 01:52 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35280/ | 01:52 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: 13:38 < cjwatson> ogra: -> http://librarian.launchpad.net/5242936/dMEeyw0GCwPWGI2ee9VXsHPU8R3.txt (GPG verification of edubuntu-meta_1.21_source.changes failed: No public key) | 01:53 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: I don't know how to reprocess stuff, so can you either tell me or just do it? | 01:53 |
| ogra | weird | 01:53 |
| mvo | Mithrandir: no, not urgent | 01:53 |
| cjwatson | I'll do it and then tell you, to remind myself. :) | 01:58 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: find the rejection mail in /var/mail/lp_archive, which gives you a path in /srv/launchpad.net/ubuntu-queue/failed/; as lp_queue, move that directory (in this case, upload-20061204-122619-002149) and the associated .distro file into /srv/launchpad.net/ubuntu-queue/incoming/ | 02:01 |
| cjwatson | then wait for the cron job to fire | 02:01 |
| cjwatson | it's worked now | 02:01 |
| ogra | cjwatson, was that an LP hiccup or do i have to be worried about my key ? | 02:01 |
| cjwatson | ogra: it was an LP hiccup; I've seen it before on occasion | 02:01 |
| ogra | oki, then i'm calmed :) | 02:02 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: ok, have you deleted the mail or am I incompetent since I don't see any edubuntu rejects? | 02:03 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: Message-Id: <20061204123208.8092341F06DB@drescher.ubuntu.com> | 02:04 |
| cjwatson | I didn't delete it | 02:04 |
| cjwatson | I would not like to imply you were incompetent ;-) | 02:04 |
| Mithrandir | ah, it's not a reject, it's just an error in a normal cron run | 02:07 |
| Mithrandir | it'd be wonderful if those were a bit easier to spot | 02:07 |
| seb128 | mjg59: are you working on a compiz update? Somebody did an upload of 0.3.4 on REVU, I'll have a look on the update if you are not working it | 02:08 |
| mjg59 | seb128: There's not a huge quantity of code change, and he's changed the packaging significantly | 02:10 |
| mjg59 | I'll do an update during the week | 02:10 |
| seb128 | mjg59: ok | 02:10 |
| seb128 | mjg59: looks like the guy doing some coding around compiz so he might be interested to maintain it for Ubuntu | 02:10 |
| seb128 | mjg59: maybe we should try to push him in this way? ;) | 02:11 |
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| mjg59 | Tricky if it's likely to land in main | 02:12 |
| mjg59 | Unless he wants to go through -core-dev | 02:12 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: yeah, that's one of the cases where nobody gets notified at the moment - the Soyuz team (arguably rightly) don't want to mail people without a GPG signature saying they can, to avoid being a spam vector | 02:12 |
| seb128 | he can co-maintain it, I mean if he does a good job having you or some desktop team member reviewing updates and uploading should not be too much work | 02:12 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: they could mail the archive team or a special list, though. | 02:13 |
| cjwatson | true | 02:13 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: anyway l~bubuntu-queue/failed it is, for now. | 02:13 |
| Mithrandir | I'll just keep that in a screen. :-P | 02:13 |
| seb128 | mjg59: the upload on revu creates a -dev and a -kde which seems reasonable | 02:13 |
| cjwatson | big pile of stuff in there at the moment; we don't check it often, afaik | 02:14 |
| cjwatson | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/console-setup/+bug/73955 confuses me | 02:14 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 73955 in console-setup "Clobbered X screen state during installation" [High,Confirmed] | 02:14 |
| cjwatson | can anyone on feisty try to reproduce that by running 'consolechars -v --tty=/dev/tty1 -f /etc/console-setup/Lat15-VGA16.psf.gz' please? if it corrupts your X screen state, switching to tty1 and back should clear it up | 02:15 |
| Treenaks | so that's what happened! | 02:15 |
| cjwatson | whether you can reproduce it or not, I'd like to know which X driver you're using. I can't reproduce it here with ati | 02:15 |
| seb128 | mjg59: anyway I'll let you deal with the update, I was just pointing that it could be nice to work with that guy if he's wanting to have a look on compiz for Ubuntu (working on packaging or bugs, or sending patches, etc) | 02:16 |
| Treenaks | cjwatson: I'm using fglrx, and it happened to me during upgrade | 02:16 |
| cjwatson | sorry, you'll need to run that consolechars command as root | 02:16 |
| cjwatson | Treenaks: did switching to tty1 and back clear it? | 02:16 |
| Treenaks | cjwatson: yes | 02:17 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: i810 seems unaffected. | 02:17 |
| cjwatson | Treenaks: and can you reproduce it now with the same command? (just to confirm it's the same thing) | 02:18 |
| Treenaks | cjwatson: I'm not at that machine atm, but I'll try | 02:18 |
| Mithrandir | yay, amd64 kernels built. | 02:19 |
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| tepsipakki | is there a mistake with the postfix upload, latest version is -2 but it | 02:30 |
| cjwatson | for anyone who can reproduce the above console-setup problem: please try 'zcat /etc/console-setup/Lat15-VGA16.psf.gz > Lat15-VGA16.psf && psfstriptable Lat15-VGA16.psf > Lat15-VGA16-stripped.psf && sudo consolechars -v --tty=/dev/tty1 -f Lat15-VGA16-stripped.psf' to see if it breaks X in the same way | 02:30 |
| tepsipakki | darn | 02:30 |
| cjwatson | you may want to run 'sudo setupcon' afterwards to ensure that the console state is sane again | 02:30 |
| tepsipakki | is there a mistake with the postfix upload, latest version is -2 but it's waiting for deps which -1ubuntu1 got removed | 02:30 |
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| giskard | ogra, yes, sorry i was busy with other things, i will prepare the new deb before 6pm | 02:32 |
| ogra | giskard, take your time, the archive is frozen until herd1 released | 02:33 |
| ogra | wont happen before tomorrow i guess | 02:33 |
| ogra | (you can upload to the wueue indeed) | 02:33 |
| ogra | *queue | 02:33 |
| ogra | (or i can for you ;) ) | 02:34 |
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| Riddell | StevenK, doko_, \sh: removing visibility patch from qt and recompiling it and pyqt fixes pyqt | 02:40 |
| seb128 | ogra: why not before tomorrow!? | 02:40 |
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: yay! | 02:42 |
| ogra | seb128, because i dont expect the CD to be ready today ? | 02:42 |
| seb128 | ogra: what is to fix? | 02:43 |
| cjwatson | it's waiting for a kernel build | 02:43 |
| cjwatson | should be ready in a couple of hours though | 02:44 |
| ogra | i still see some bittorrent stuff in the report.html file, dunno if thats fixed already (didnt look into it) and indeed we still have a full testing run ahead after the new kernel is in | 02:44 |
| seb128 | that long freeze is starting becoming a pain to work with | 02:44 |
| cjwatson | doesn't need to be full testing for a first milestone | 02:44 |
| seb128 | I've scp-ed 4 source packages to people today to allow other people working | 02:44 |
| cjwatson | "does it work at all" is enough | 02:44 |
| seb128 | ok | 02:44 |
| seb128 | good :) | 02:44 |
| ogra | right, but thats still taking at least the time for one install per arch | 02:45 |
| seb128 | I've tried the desktop i386 CD this morning and the liveCD worked fine | 02:45 |
| cjwatson | and I agree we need to get out of freeze ASAP | 02:45 |
| ogra | right | 02:45 |
| Riddell | recompiling pykde fixes ubiquity | 02:45 |
| Riddell | Mithrandir: can I upload qt, pyqt and pykde please | 02:46 |
| tepsipakki | cjwatson: not that it's of great priority, but feisty-netboot went fine | 02:46 |
| Mithrandir | Riddell: sure. | 02:46 |
| cjwatson | tepsipakki: thanks | 02:46 |
| cjwatson | Riddell: do they need to be built in that order, or have you included tightly-versioned build-depends? | 02:46 |
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: you fixed pykde too? | 02:49 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: sparc too please | 02:50 |
| cjwatson | oh, it's done | 02:50 |
| Riddell | cjwatson: yes they do, I'm adding tightly-versioned build-depends | 02:50 |
| cjwatson | meh, having ia64 broken inconsistently will be annoying, but I guess there'll be more d-i uploads | 02:50 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: just needs recompiling against a qt that doesn't use visibility=hidden | 02:51 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 02:51 |
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| jayteeuk | I realise this is a bit like asking what's the best religion, but does anyone have any suggestions for a Python newbie coming from a Java background as to what DB layer to use? | 03:09 |
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| jayteeuk | It seems to have a feel similar to EJBs with CMP. | 03:10 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 03:51 |
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| dholbach | Gloubiboulga: there's another gnumeric release - do you want to take care of that? | 03:56 |
| dholbach | TheMuso: do we want to package lsr? | 04:00 |
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| dholbach | Mithrandir: do we want a ubuntu-meta update for herd-1? | 04:03 |
| lamont | tepsipakki: interesting... I wonder why -2 was synced from debian - it shouldn't have been | 04:09 |
| Mithrandir | dholbach: for which package? | 04:10 |
| dholbach | Mithrandir: it'd be the first upload with feisty seeds. add libnss-mdns, add linuxprinting.org-ppds afaics | 04:11 |
| Mithrandir | dholbach: I'd rather not, actually. Let's try to get herd 1 out the door as fast as possible. | 04:12 |
| dholbach | ok | 04:12 |
| Riddell | cjwatson, pitti: kubuntu-feisty-adept-changes needs approval, mvo has always approved adept specs in the past, could we set him as approver? | 04:18 |
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| pitti | Riddell: I would be happy about it if TB agrees | 04:18 |
| Riddell | mdz, mjg59: ^^ | 04:20 |
| pitti | ogra: do you want avahi-autoipd and libnss-mdns in edubuntu? (maybe not, since you configure a proper DHCP server) | 04:22 |
| pitti | Riddell: do you want avahi-autoipd and libnss-mdns in kubuntu-desktop? | 04:22 |
| Riddell | pitti: yes please, if you feel like doing the merge | 04:22 |
| pitti | I did the ubuntu.feisty seed changes and can merge them if you want | 04:22 |
| pitti | Riddell: I won't actually upload *-meta before herd-1, of course | 04:23 |
| Riddell | Mithrandir: can you approve qt3, pyqt3 and pykde? | 04:24 |
| pitti | Riddell: ugh, there's much more to merge, also stuff I'm not sure about | 04:24 |
| Riddell | pitti: just leave it then | 04:24 |
| pitti | ok | 04:24 |
| Mithrandir | Riddell: done | 04:28 |
| seb128 | mjg59: is there anything writing the /apps/gnome-session/ubuntu/window_manager gconf key? | 04:31 |
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| ogra | pitti, no, i don think so ... i wanted to experiment with avahi for ltsp, but not in feisty | 04:33 |
| pitti | ogra: that's what I figured, thanks | 04:34 |
| pitti | Gloubiboulga: got a minute to talk about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GnomeMount and XFCE? | 04:38 |
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| cjwatson | Riddell: I doubt mdz will have a problem with that; I've set mvo as the approver | 04:46 |
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| mvo | Riddell: I will try to have a look tonight, otherwise, keep kicking me (gently :) | 04:47 |
| Riddell | thanks cjwatson, mvo | 04:48 |
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| iwj | --gst-disable-segtrap Disable trapping of segmentation faults during plugin loading | 04:49 |
| iwj | Quality software! | 04:49 |
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| sivang | iwj: HAHA | 04:54 |
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| ogra | Mithrandir, cjwatson, my edubuntu-meta build vanished somewhere it seems ... | 05:01 |
| ogra | cant find it in the queue nor in the build logs | 05:01 |
| ogra | (1.21 that is) | 05:01 |
| cjwatson | it's still in the unapproved queue | 05:02 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: oops, I thought you approved it. I'll do that. | 05:02 |
| ogra | thanks | 05:02 |
| dholbach | somebody please give back libgnomeui | 05:02 |
| cjwatson | oh, no, I just reprocessed the upload failure; sorry for not being clearer | 05:03 |
| Mithrandir | dholbach: done | 05:03 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: approved now. | 05:04 |
| dholbach | Mithrandir: gracias - that will help to keep random people from adding dbus-glib build-deps all over the place | 05:04 |
| ogra | thanks :) | 05:04 |
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| Mithrandir | ogra: sorry about cjwatson and me miscommunicating. | 05:04 |
| seb128 | dholbach: please point me to people who did that ;) | 05:04 |
| dholbach | seb128: as I said: I did it in one place, but will revert it again ;-) | 05:05 |
| seb128 | thank you ;) | 05:05 |
| cjwatson | the kernel's still going anyway, I see | 05:05 |
| ogra | right | 05:06 |
| cjwatson | heh, ia64 > i386 | 05:06 |
| cjwatson | did vernadsky have its go-slow pills this morning? | 05:06 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: apparently. | 05:07 |
| Mithrandir | getting close to five hours now. | 05:07 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: I've punted debian-installer into the queue; I suggest accepting that source upload once all the kernel binaries are there, just before running the publisher | 05:08 |
| elmo | vernadsky is one of the slower buildds | 05:08 |
| elmo | and ia64 has less images to build | 05:08 |
| cjwatson | the only reason ia64 surprised me was that i386 beat it by 50 minutes last time round | 05:08 |
| cjwatson | I assume it hit a faster buildd | 05:08 |
| elmo | yeah, it probably hit palmer | 05:08 |
| cjwatson | it did indeed | 05:09 |
| elmo | yeah, single 2.8 Xeon vs dual 3.2. and kernel is one of the few packages to take advantage of the extra CPU | 05:10 |
| cjwatson | 2.6.19 has never built on vernadsky before, but rothera took 5 hours | 05:11 |
| cjwatson | are they the same spec? | 05:11 |
| elmo | yes | 05:11 |
| cjwatson | right, so ETA half an hour or so | 05:12 |
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| Mithrandir | cjwatson: I'm going out now-ish, if you're still around when the kernel binaries are published, could you spin ISOs? If not, I'll do it when I get back (~1900 UTC-ish) | 05:21 |
| jdong | Mithrandir: your frozen-bubble sync might cost me in over 6 hours of downtime today :D | 05:23 |
| jdong | I totally blame you :) | 05:23 |
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| mdz | Riddell: who's working on adept these days? | 05:30 |
| Riddell | mdz: nobody, but I'd plan to be the implementor for kubuntu-feisty-adept-changes | 05:31 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: sure. I have to go and order meat for Christmas dinner, but I'll be back shortly. | 05:36 |
| Riddell | cjwatson: kubuntu-ubiquity-migration-assistant also needs approval, would you be able to look at it? | 05:38 |
| cjwatson | Riddell: will do; I've set myself as approver | 05:38 |
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| sven-tek | I saw there are .udeb packets in the kernel tree. Could someone point me to some place where i can get informations about .udev packets? | 05:44 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: while you wait for the kernel to build, can i nag you about my mdadm upload to edgy-proposed ? | 05:45 |
| cjwatson | sven-tek: (a) "packages" (b) be careful not to confuse udeb with udev (c) those are part of the installer; see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller, http://people.debian.org/~fjp/talks/debconf6/paper/ | 05:46 |
| cjwatson | fabbione: yeah, I guess so, one minute | 05:47 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: even 4.. it's no hurry really.. i was just pinging somebody from -archive | 05:47 |
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| cjwatson | fabbione: somebody from -sru actually, since it hasn't yet been approved AFAICS | 05:49 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: ok... will do that too. thanks | 05:49 |
| cjwatson | do what? :-) | 05:49 |
| cjwatson | (I'm in ubuntu-sru) | 05:49 |
| cjwatson | fabbione: please undo the bug duplication as mdz suggested | 05:50 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: oh right.. you have too many powers.. i can't remember them all :) | 05:50 |
| mdz | fabbione: if the instructions are unclear, please suggest alternative wording | 05:50 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: yes.. will undup in a sdec | 05:50 |
| fabbione | mdz: i just replied to that email.. that was my understanding since one of the bugs become incredibly long | 05:51 |
| fabbione | (brb.. son is crying) | 05:51 |
| cjwatson | fabbione: can you please edit the description of 74346 to include an impact description for each of the problems? i.e. a brief description of what effect each bug has on users | 05:51 |
| cjwatson | fabbione: also an explanation of how this has been addressed in feisty; see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates | 05:52 |
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| fabbione | cjwatson: feisty has the udev-mdadm spec that will replace the whole need of that scripts. but yes i can add.. it will take me a bit tho.. my little shark needs feeding first | 05:54 |
| sven-tek | cjwatson, thank you. i got it wrong, i thought it indicates kernel delta patches are upcoming - but udebs are used a long time now ... what a pitty ;-) | 05:55 |
| cjwatson | fabbione: saying that this will be addressed by udev-mdadm is fine | 05:55 |
| cjwatson | fabbione: what's the change that implements "make an attempt to probe raid once if no RAIDs are known to initramfs"? | 05:55 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: configureduuid=none | 05:56 |
| pirast | where's doko? | 05:56 |
| fabbione | it allows one iteraction in the loop | 05:56 |
| cjwatson | fabbione: ah, I see, looking up the context made it clearer. How does that affect systems without RAID configured but with mdadm installed? | 05:58 |
| fabbione | no changes... | 05:59 |
| fabbione | or better.. no effects | 05:59 |
| cjwatson | you've tested that case? | 05:59 |
| fabbione | yeps | 05:59 |
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| fabbione | the loop will go in once, attempting to start the raid. mdrun will find none and exit 0 | 05:59 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: i changed the description. want to check if it's ok or needs more editing? | 06:00 |
| fabbione | (before i run to feed the shark ;)) | 06:00 |
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| fabbione | all bugs undeped.. | 06:01 |
| fabbione | i think i got it all | 06:01 |
| fabbione | the root causes were different.. same final effect.. 3 minutes waiting time at boot | 06:01 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: also note that packages have been tested by almost all the submitters and they reported that the new one works | 06:02 |
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| Riddell | sfllaw: about? | 06:06 |
| superm1 | ping elmo | 06:07 |
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| cjwatson | fabbione: more sanity-checking for mdadm/mkconf outputting ARRAY lines without UUIDs would be nice. I had a look through the source as best I could but haven't satisfied myself that that won't happen | 06:11 |
| cjwatson | fabbione: maybe just make the initramfs-hook grep for 'ARRAY.*UUID=' rather than just ARRAY | 06:12 |
| cjwatson | ^ARRAY.*UUID= rather | 06:12 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: raid UUID are mandatory. the reason why we run mkconf is to make sure to have UUID. | 06:12 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: something that might lack when parsing an existing mdadm.conf | 06:13 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: the output of mkconf is standard instead | 06:13 |
| cjwatson | like I say, I couldn't satisfy myself that mkconf was guaranteed to do that for all RAID types. Could you add that sanity-check to keep me happy? :) | 06:13 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: sure i love to make you happy | 06:13 |
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| fabbione | cjwatson: grep ^ARRAY.*UUID= | \ | 06:14 |
| fabbione | ? | 06:14 |
| fabbione | does that satisfy you? | 06:14 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: include/linux/raid$ less md_k.h and look for uuid too.. it's a mandatory element for md super block on disk. | 06:17 |
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| cjwatson | fabbione: * needs to be quoted. grep '^ARRAY.*UUID=' | \ | 06:17 |
| cjwatson | right, it's probably OK, it's just not obvious from the initramfs side and it's trivial to make it obvious | 06:17 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: yeps. it's there (you can reject the previous upload in the meantime) | 06:18 |
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| fabbione | cjwatson: stolen from mdadm 2.5 in feisty that is used to parse mdadm output properly | 06:18 |
| cjwatson | oh I see it's for unwrapping continuation lines | 06:18 |
| fabbione | yeps | 06:18 |
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| fabbione | and skipping comments | 06:18 |
| cjwatson | the last bit seems redundant with the grep, but whatever, that's not important | 06:20 |
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| cjwatson | fabbione: "it's there"> new upload? | 06:21 |
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| sfllaw | Riddell: I am. | 06:22 |
| Riddell | sfllaw: I was wondering if kdebase had been uploaded to edgy-updates, but it seems not, so I just uploaded it | 06:23 |
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| sfllaw | Riddell: Excellent! | 06:23 |
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| mjg59 | seb128: desktop-effects | 06:24 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: no.. waiting for you to reject the old one | 06:24 |
| cjwatson | fabbione: you don't need to - please uplad | 06:24 |
| cjwatson | upload | 06:24 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: ok.. | 06:25 |
| cjwatson | I've rejected the old one anyway, but it's not necessary to wait in this case | 06:25 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: done | 06:25 |
| fabbione | adding the new debdiff with new grep to the bug.. | 06:25 |
| seb128 | mjg59: what is the logic behind it? | 06:26 |
| seb128 | mjg59: gnome-session is already using /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/default and /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/current, do we need yet another key? | 06:26 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: it's all done my side.. upload and so on.. anything more you need? | 06:27 |
| seb128 | mjg59: in fact I'm switching to the gnome-wm from upstream instead of the debian variant | 06:27 |
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| mjg59 | seb128: It is? As far as I could tell, it doesn't use either | 06:27 |
| cjwatson | fabbione: assuming that was the only change you made in the new upload, we should be all set | 06:27 |
| seb128 | mjg59: Debian (and Ubuntu) patch gnome-wm to do that: | 06:27 |
| seb128 | +# Get previously set window manager in gconf | 06:28 |
| seb128 | +if [ ! "$DEFWM" ] ; then | 06:28 |
| seb128 | + DEFWM=`gconftool-2 -g /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/default 2>/dev/null` | 06:28 |
| seb128 | +fi | 06:28 |
| seb128 | + | 06:28 |
| seb128 | and | 06:28 |
| seb128 | +# Store the selected WM with gconf | 06:28 |
| seb128 | +gconftool-2 -t string -s /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/current "$WINDOW_MANAGER" | 06:28 |
| seb128 | + | 06:28 |
| seb128 | 06:28 | |
| fabbione | cjwatson: no other changes.. no | 06:28 |
| seb128 | that seems bogus to me | 06:28 |
| seb128 | the get is on "default" and the set on "current" | 06:28 |
| mjg59 | Yeah, the current key is never read | 06:28 |
| seb128 | right | 06:29 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: i am off for a bit.. thanks a lot for your help mate.. | 06:29 |
| seb128 | but could we use that one instead of creating a new one? | 06:29 |
| mjg59 | Ok. Drop the patch I added | 06:29 |
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| mjg59 | Might as well keep things consistent | 06:29 |
| seb128 | ok | 06:29 |
| seb128 | we still have time to sort that before feisty if there is some issue anyway | 06:29 |
| mjg59 | Yeah | 06:30 |
| mjg59 | I'll change over desktop-effects | 06:30 |
| seb128 | I'll ping vuntz, I would like to know why upstream is not using the gconf key | 06:30 |
| seb128 | it's handy to be able to set the window manager to gconf | 06:30 |
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| dholbach | heno: heya, I had to drop the quit button patch from the feisty gnome-orca. seems that tortoise has to fix it again | 06:50 |
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| bronson | sabdfl said: "Shortly, we will make it easy for people to biuld their own versions of ubuntu packages, and publish those." | 06:54 |
| bronson | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/OpenWeek_AskMark | 06:54 |
| bronson | What did Mark mean? Anyone have more info? | 06:54 |
| jdong | bronson: I suppose that's PPA? | 06:54 |
| jdong | Personal Package Archives | 06:55 |
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| jdong | what I've been told is that it's a mechanism on Launchpad for people to host APT repos | 06:55 |
| pitti | (and buildds) | 06:55 |
| bronson | Interesting. | 06:56 |
| bronson | Guess I won't wait for it. :) | 06:57 |
| bronson | I'm off to learn reprepro. | 06:57 |
| jdong | bronson: smart choice on that | 06:59 |
| jdong | :) | 06:59 |
| pitti | bronson: depending on your needs, 'apt-ftparchive packages . | gzip > Packages.gz' might be easier for you | 06:59 |
| jdong | bronson: and dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip > Packages.gz | 07:00 |
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| _ion | I find falcon incredibly nice. | 07:00 |
| jdong | and look, pitti beat me to it too :) | 07:00 |
| bronson | That doen't allow pinning, right? | 07:00 |
| pitti | bronson: pinning is purely on consumer's side, not on the archive's | 07:00 |
| jdong | bronson: bleh, you need a Release file | 07:00 |
| jdong | that's all that's needed for clients to be able to pin | 07:00 |
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| bronson | cool | 07:00 |
| pitti | jdong: you don't need a Release file for apt-ftparchive, and if you want one, it's trivial to generate | 07:01 |
| jdong | pitti: don't you need a Release file in order for clients to be able to pin? | 07:01 |
| pitti | ah, for pinning on release, I guess so | 07:01 |
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| bronson | Also, I'm looking for something that will maintain the repo behind my back. | 07:02 |
| jdong | lol | 07:02 |
| jdong | cron and a shell script :P | 07:02 |
| bronson | one-click upload (dput *.changes), get rid of obsolete files, etc... | 07:02 |
| bronson | _ion: falcon looks pretty sharp... Is there a homepage for it? | 07:05 |
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| _ion | bronson: Seems like the content has disappeared from Seveas's website, but the bzr repository seems to be still there: http://www.kaarsemaker.net/files/Software/falcon/ | 07:07 |
| Seveas | <bronson> one-click upload (dput *.changes), get rid of obsolete files, etc... <-- that is not yet implemented in falcon, but I'm working on it | 07:07 |
| Seveas | so if you want it *now*, look at reprepro or dak or other alternatives :) | 07:08 |
| LaserJock | I'm thinking dak ;-) | 07:08 |
| bronson | Seveas: thanks, will do. | 07:09 |
| bronson | Seveas: real briefly, can you tell me how Falcon intends to be more useful than the rest? | 07:09 |
| Seveas | bronson, it's the easiest to use and will do more automatic magic | 07:10 |
| _ion | I can vouch for that. | 07:10 |
| bronson | brilliant. I'll give it a closer look. | 07:10 |
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| heno | dholbach: that's OK. We'll try to get upstream to do the right thing this time :) | 07:10 |
| bronson | Active development counts for a lot too. | 07:11 |
| dholbach | heno: rock and roll :-) | 07:11 |
| === dholbach hugs heno | ||
| Seveas | if you start using it now, beware. I'm changing large parts of it to be even easier to use/configure | 07:11 |
| === heno hugs dholbach | ||
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| bronson | Sounds good to me. :) | 07:12 |
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| keescook | hiya dholbach! sounds like your your first DJ session was a hit. :) nice! | 07:18 |
| Seveas | DJ Daniel? | 07:18 |
| dholbach | thanks a lot Kees :-) | 07:18 |
| dholbach | hey Seveas | 07:18 |
| Seveas | hi | 07:18 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: I must confess I don't understand what exactly it is that you do when you DJ but it sounded exciting :-) | 07:19 |
| dholbach | LaserJock: it's big fun - if you make it to berlin, let me know and I'm happy to show you :-) | 07:19 |
| LaserJock | sure thing :-) | 07:19 |
| dholbach | keescook: if the mixtape tonight is good, I'll blog it and try to do so regularly :-) | 07:20 |
| LaserJock | we just need a Berlin UDS with an extra 2 days for such things | 07:21 |
| dholbach | Berlin UDS! WORD! I'm all for it :) | 07:21 |
| dholbach | as long as it's not somewhere in the berlinian outskirts or in berlinian airportland that would be great | 07:22 |
| keescook | dholbach: very cool. I can't wait to hear it. :) | 07:22 |
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| Mithrandir | jdong_: oh, because you just "happened" to start it and couldn't quit? | 08:10 |
| jdong_ | Mithrandir: don't interrupt me. I'm on the 73rd level. | 08:11 |
| jdong_ | :) | 08:11 |
| Mithrandir | :-) | 08:11 |
| jdong_ | OOH there's a networked mode! | 08:11 |
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| Gloubiboulga | dholbach: I'll take care of the gnumeric update | 08:28 |
| dholbach | Gloubiboulga: new goffice was just uploaded to incoming | 08:28 |
| dholbach | Gloubiboulga: so that should be 'only' a merge | 08:28 |
| Gloubiboulga | right, 'only' :) | 08:30 |
| ajmitch | morning | 08:32 |
| keescook | hiya ajmitch | 08:33 |
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| dholbach | Gloubiboulga: maybe gnumeric 1.7.4 will hit incoming soon too - I'll let you know, if you like | 08:35 |
| Gloubiboulga | dholbach: I'll check that, thanks | 08:36 |
| Gloubiboulga | dholbach: BTW, there's a small packaging bug in libxml++ (a missing .h) | 08:36 |
| dholbach | Gloubiboulga: oh? do we have a bug about that? | 08:37 |
| Gloubiboulga | dholbach: not yet | 08:38 |
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| dholbach | hum, I wonder where /usr/bin/aclocal comes from, installing automake1.9 doesn't give me the alternative and the symlink | 08:42 |
| Keybuk | it's an alternative | 08:43 |
| Keybuk | check it's not on manual | 08:43 |
| Keybuk | the "automake" alternative will set it | 08:43 |
| Keybuk | (it's a slave to that) | 08:43 |
| dholbach | "on manual"? what do you mean by that? | 08:43 |
| Keybuk | $ update-alternatives --display automake | 08:43 |
| dholbach | hm, status is indeed manual | 08:44 |
| dholbach | I can't remember ever having touched that on that vserver | 08:45 |
| dholbach | but thanks keybuk - seems it's happy now | 08:46 |
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| dholbach | Gloubiboulga: you're right, I'll upload the fix in a bit | 08:50 |
| Gloubiboulga | dholbach: thanks | 08:51 |
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| Mithrandir | cjwatson: I accepted d-i a while ago, so we should have good ISOs tomorrow. | 09:04 |
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| Riddell | Mithrandir: not doing Herd today then? | 09:41 |
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| Mithrandir | Riddell: it's close to ten in the evening here, I'm not going to sit up all night testing, so no. | 09:49 |
| Mithrandir | Riddell: sorry. :-( I want to end this freeze just as much as you do. | 09:49 |
| Burgwork | Riddell: he mostly wants to end the freeze before all the bugging ends his sanity | 09:50 |
| Mithrandir | Burgwork: I haven't had sight of my sanity for > six months, so I think that's a lost cause. :-) | 09:50 |
| Burgwork | heh | 09:51 |
| mdke | who needs sanity eh? | 09:53 |
| LarstiQ | Mithrandir: we still like you without sanity, don't worry! | 09:53 |
| LaserJock | I'm not sure, I like the guys spinning the .isos to be somewhat sane :-) | 09:54 |
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| Mithrandir | mc44: do you think we chose "herd" by chance? ;-) | 09:55 |
| Burgwork | it being late should have been expected, I guess | 09:55 |
| ajmitch | now we know that debian releases hurd cds every few months :) | 09:56 |
| mc44 | Mithrandir: unfortunatly, I guess you choose it due to collective noun allocation :p | 09:56 |
| Mithrandir | it's the usual hard call of knowing when to freeze. It's so much easier to see the right spot in retrospect. | 09:56 |
| Mithrandir | mc44: there are, iirc at least a couple more alternatives. | 09:56 |
| mc44 | Mithrandir: ah yes, leash parcel and bevy. Personally I would ahvegone with bevy | 09:57 |
| LaserJock | sounds a little ... heavy | 09:58 |
| mc44 | or leash :) | 09:58 |
| Mithrandir | mc44: the downside of not being a native english speaker is I tend to fail when it comes to knowledge such as collective nouns. | 09:59 |
| mc44 | Mithrandir: I'm just a native english speaker with Google | 10:00 |
| Mithrandir | heh :-) | 10:00 |
| mc44 | although A murder of ravens was always my favourite | 10:00 |
| Mithrandir | a murder or ravens? I thought murder only was crows? | 10:01 |
| mc44 | bah, Im probably wrong | 10:01 |
| mc44 | ha, an unkindness of ravens | 10:01 |
| mc44 | not quite as bad as a murder, I suppose | 10:01 |
| Mithrandir | (I know it's a murder of crows, I was just surprised about it being a murder of anything else) | 10:02 |
| mc44 | but someone clearly had a grudge against birds when it came to dishing hmouttttt | 10:02 |
| mc44 | *them out | 10:02 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: hmm, do we need new livefs-es? | 10:05 |
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| umista | exit | 10:51 |
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| mariano | anyone familiar with launchpad-integration can tell me if these two gnome-terminal crashes are l-i's <http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=373488#stacktrace>, <http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=382174> | 10:54 |
| Ubugtu | Gnome bug 373488 in general "crash in Terminal: Iniciando Terminal" [Critical,Unconfirmed] | 10:54 |
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| seb128 | mariano: look like crash to GTK | 11:02 |
| seb128 | mariano: feel free to close them as NOTGNOME with a comment saying to open a bug on launchpad, we will open a bug on GTK if required | 11:03 |
| mariano | Ok | 11:03 |
| mariano | that code path in gtk is quite well tested... ;-) | 11:03 |
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| seb128 | probably | 11:05 |
| seb128 | debug backtraces would be useful | 11:05 |
| seb128 | we will deal with that on launchpad | 11:05 |
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| cjwatson_ | Mithrandir: don't think so? assuming they already have initramfs-tools 0.69ubuntu25 | 11:12 |
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| superm1 | ping BenC | 11:17 |
| BenC | superml: pong | 11:19 |
| BenC | superm1: ^^ | 11:19 |
| superm1 | hey BenC, i wanted to talk to a kernel dev about the possibility of including ivtv and lirc modules in the l-r-m pakcage | 11:19 |
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| superm1 | and i saw your name on linux-source, so i figured you'd be a good start | 11:20 |
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| superm1 | at least building them, similar to how vmware-modules are built during l-r-m generation | 11:20 |
| BenC | superm1: #ubuntu-kernel | 11:20 |
| superm1 | k, anyone in particular to look for in there? | 11:21 |
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| BenC | superm1: me :) | 11:21 |
| superm1 | hehe k | 11:21 |
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| HumanPrototype | cjwatson, Hi - I have been told you are a good person to talk to about ubiquity | 11:50 |
| HumanPrototype | cjwatson, I am trying to create a custom distro based on ubuntu and would like to stop ubiquity asking for a username and just creating a standard user called "user" | 11:52 |
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| keescook | HumanPrototype: have you looked at the OEM installation mode on the alternate CD? Maybe that would help? | 12:01 |
| HumanPrototype | keescook, Will that allow me to create a cd which installs a system with fluxbox with several custom config files and programs? I must say I haven't looked at it at all | 12:04 |
| keescook | HumanPrototype: hm, perhaps not. It's a way to create a common installed image. Sounds like you'll have to wait for cjwatson to get back. he's not usually up right now | 12:05 |
| HumanPrototype | keescook, do you know when he is up? | 12:05 |
| keescook | UTC 900ish maybe | 12:05 |
| superm1 | keescook, do you work with ubiquity alot? | 12:06 |
| keescook | superm1: I don't, no. Just use it a lot when doing installation testing. :) | 12:06 |
| Burgwork | HumanPrototype: talk with joejaxx. He is working on fluxbox | 12:06 |
| HumanPrototype | Burgwork, thanks | 12:07 |
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| superm1 | keescook, well i'm wondering how cjwatson will feel about making a ubiquity derivative for something like ubiquity-mythtv. For feisty+1, I wanted to work on making a direct mythtv installer, and base it from that - but leave it in Ubuntu. so that we can generate ubuntu media center or mythbuntu or something like that disks | 12:08 |
| superm1 | before I started, I wanted to make sure cjwatson and anyone else who works with ubiquity would be cool with this idea | 12:08 |
| keescook | superm1: ooh, that'd rock. I'd help test it too: my myth box is in need of upgrade. :) I don't know his development roadmap, though, sorry. | 12:09 |
| HumanPrototype | superm1, what are you thinking? | 12:09 |
| superm1 | well i'm cleaning up the other rough edges first - firmware and drivers, and some metapackages that don't need ubuntu-desktop | 12:10 |
| superm1 | after i finish that up, i'll have something like mythtv-master-backend | 12:10 |
| superm1 | and mythtv-backend-frontend etc | 12:10 |
| superm1 | so i'm thinking this installer would go right off from the get go and get you into these metapackages instead if you wanted | 12:10 |
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