[01:28] <lotusleaf> Sundhay ain't no weason f0ur duh sl4ckin off ya j1v3 turk3y!
[01:47] <Burgundavia> hey
[01:59] <lotusleaf> hi
[08:23] <elkbuntu> my monitor is dying :(
[08:23] <elkbuntu> it's less than 2 years old :(
[08:24] <Madpilot> not cool
[08:25] <elkbuntu> not at all
[08:30] <Burgundavia> hmm, that sucks
[08:31] <Burgundavia> jeromes monitor on his canonical laptop died on him
[08:31] <Burgundavia> and that mahcine is about the same age
[08:31] <Burgundavia> ok, compiz royally sucks
[08:31] <Burgundavia> I would embarassed to give Ubuntu to somebody if we installed compiz by default
[08:31] <elkbuntu> yep
[08:31] <elkbuntu> what's it messing with now?
[08:32] <Burgundavia> little minor things
[08:32] <Burgundavia> once and a while it just looses the window list
[08:32] <Burgundavia> and sometimes the highlighting on drop down lists doesn't appear
[08:32] <Burgundavia> plus all the confirmed bugs in LP
[08:33] <elkbuntu> heh
[08:33] <Burgundavia> seems only to happen after been left running for many hours
[08:35] <elkbuntu> well, at least i finally went and bought some new speakers today... so i can listen to musics now without increasing the temperature of my head by 10 degrees
[08:36] <Burgundavia> heh
[08:37] <elkbuntu> the monitor isnt completely dead yet. just 1/4 of it flickers
[08:40] <Burgundavia> yay! two new bugs filed
[08:40] <Burgundavia> which brings my compiz total to 15
[08:41] <elkbuntu> :)
[08:41] <elkbuntu> who other than mark is still pushing for compiz & associated crap decisions?
[08:48] <Burgundavia> the beryl people
[08:49] <Burgundavia> ah,, bloody hell, apt-get is barfing all over the placwe
[08:50] <Burgundavia> hmm, appears that apt's db is corrupted
[08:53] <Burgundavia> ok, that is funny
[08:53] <Burgundavia> http://www.google.ca/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=corrupted+apt+db
[08:53] <Burgundavia> look at most of the hits
[08:54] <elkbuntu> ... wha...?
[08:55] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: I don't get it
[08:55] <Burgundavia> most of the hits are for rpm db corruption
[08:55] <elkbuntu> since when... rpm... uh... ?
[09:06] <Madpilot> finally got to pick up my Ubuntu posters that jenda sent - very, very cool design
[09:07] <elkbuntu> yeah
[09:08] <elkbuntu> theyre pretty awesome
[09:14] <Burgundavia> time to blog my weekend with compiz
[09:17] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, a "Remind me again why we're planning on shipping these bugs by default" blogpost? ;)
[09:18] <Burgundavia> basically
[09:39] <elkbuntu> lets see if you get a direct response from mark for this one
[09:39] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, that was a fairly restrained blogpost - no accusations of crack-smoking by the folks who proposed Compiz-by-default ;)
[09:40] <Burgundavia> they are on crack, but I figured it would be more politic to point out why they are crack
[09:41] <Burgundavia> going to try beryl when it is packaged
[09:43] <elkbuntu> well written post corey :)
[09:44] <Burgundavia> I try
[10:46] <Madpilot> later all 
[11:20] <jenda> 
[11:25] <danbuch929> jenda: care to talk about spreadubuntu?
[11:25] <jenda> most definitely :)
[11:26] <danbuch929> I've been in conversation with the CMS developer more, and he lent me some very useful information...
[11:26] <jenda> such as?
[11:26] <danbuch929> most of the CMS is written around Cheetah Template
[11:26] <danbuch929> http://cheetahtemplate.org
[11:27] <danbuch929> apt-get install python-cheetah
[11:27] <danbuch929> anyone hoping to help with the branch will greatly benefit from this
[11:28] <danbuch929> the developer, Amir, is also working to have his 1.0 release dpkg-ized
[11:28] <jenda> how that?
[11:28] <jenda> ah, greatzorz :)
[11:28] <danbuch929> learn cheetah == learn skeletonz
[11:28] <danbuch929> hopefully in the near future, it will simply be a matter of "apt-get install skeletonz"
[11:29] <danbuch929> ...but on a less technical note:
[11:30] <danbuch929> I wanted to restart the discussion about site construction, features, design, touchy-feely stuff
[11:31] <jenda> hehe
[11:35] <jenda> Well, the site is intended for people who wish to help Ubuntu to spread.
[11:35] <jenda> It's very probable that these people aren't browsing the web for the first time, so we can expect some experience.
[11:37] <jenda> Come to think of it, that doesn't mean anything for the touch and feel of the site anyway ;) We still have to make it as easy to understand... so...
[11:38] <jenda> (/me might be thinking outloud a bit too much :) )
[11:41] <danbuch929> hehe
[11:43] <danbuch929> "We have decided that we want to use the idea of Nestor Diaz's suggestion, polish it, and use Kassetra's very fine icons."  
[11:43] <danbuch929> is this opinion still valid?
[11:45] <jenda> danbuch929: not really
[11:46] <jenda> at the time, SU was intended also as the flashy site for new users
[11:46] <danbuch929> :-)  ....    so will we be starting from scratch?
[11:46] <jenda> the one you point them to when they ask you what is Ubuntu?
[11:47] <danbuch929> and we now point them to ubuntu.com ?
[11:48] <jenda> we always have, I guess.
[11:49] <jenda> We can make that flashy site some time in the future, or work on making Ubuntu.com that flashy site...
[11:49] <danbuch929> excellent
[11:49] <jenda> although ubuntu.com is quite good as it is for the businesses to look at, so I'd be more inclined to a spread.ubuntu.com splash-screen type thing :)
[11:50] <danbuch929> yes - that'd probably do it
[11:51] <danbuch929> with SU, we're trying to address the DIY marketing need, so it's okay to be more familiar with the user
[11:51] <danbuch929> ...less business-y, that is
[11:52] <jenda> yes
[11:52] <jenda> that's true.
[11:52] <danbuch929> ...but still very accessible to the new GNU/Linux convert
[11:53] <danbuch929> (like myself :-))
[11:53] <jenda> The DIY part - the part of SU I'd like to focus on, and what we're mainly making progess on right now, should distribute marketing Ubuntu into the masses.
[11:53] <jenda> very much so.
[11:53] <jenda> The people shouldn't have to be technically too advanced to benefit from diy.ubuntu.com
[11:53] <danbuch929> ...just trying to make Ubuntu a familiar word, for starters :-p
[11:54] <danbuch929> right
[11:54] <jenda> "Gleefully resurrected by new wave of Ubuntu converts.  Might be
[11:54] <jenda> permanent."
[11:54] <jenda> :)
[11:56] <jenda> 
[11:56] <danbuch929> on the subject of the diy site:
[11:56] <danbuch929> I've only gotten feedback from you, jenda :-D
[11:57] <jenda> hehe :)
[11:57] <danbuch929> I'm sure there have been plenty of folks who have visited diy.devubuntu.com and have gotten the same knee-jerk reaction:
[11:58] <danbuch929> "...but it should also have $FEATURE_INTENDED_FOR_SPREADUBUNTU.COM"
[11:58] <jenda> (/me remarks that he understood the current diy.devubunt.com only as a placeholder for teh future skeletonz site in its place)
[11:58] <danbuch929> and I hate to pour even more energy into diy when I really want to see SpreadUbuntu up
[11:58] <danbuch929> right
[12:06] <jenda> hehe :)
[12:06] <jenda> Honestly, once DIY is up, we'll be able to get the rest of SU up better, because we'll have a start...
[12:06] <jenda> and people pouring in...
[12:06] <jenda> and, BTW, I like your 'crappy sense of humor' ;)
[12:07] <danbuch929> thanks :-D ... it's honed from years of cynicism and apathy
[12:07] <danbuch929> ...but about getting DIY up and running...
[12:08] <danbuch929> I really haven't touched the thing in two weeks, mostly because I don't know exactly what else should be added
[12:08] <jenda> aha
[12:08] <jenda> hmm
[12:09] <jenda> How long do you think it would take till we had a skeletonz ready to use for the purpose?
[12:09] <danbuch929> meaning... there's a LOT that *could* be added...
[12:09] <danbuch929> skeletonz for DIY?
[12:10] <danbuch929> ...or for SU?
[12:12] <jenda> well...
[12:12] <jenda> I thought we were to use it for DIY :)
[12:12] <jenda> If that wasn't your plan, then I'm OK with that too o
[12:13] <danbuch929> right... sorry...   Do we want to CMS-ify the current diy design?  or is it okay if I hold off on CMS until the full SpreadUbuntu?
[12:13] <jenda> perfectly ok
[12:13] <danbuch929> that is:   diy.devubuntu.com is based on MenZa's work
[12:13] <danbuch929> and is written entirely in php
[12:13] <jenda> in that case, I'll start thinking what we want on diy.du.com
[12:13] <danbuch929> with _no_ MySQL backend
[12:13] <danbuch929> okay :-)
[12:14] <danbuch929> when I said that the only feedback I got was from _you_, I left out one other person
[12:15] <danbuch929> Toby Smithe sent me some feedback
[12:16] <danbuch929> ...and his disappointment in the site's flexibility echoed my own reservations
[12:16] <danbuch929> which should say nothing about MenZa's design - it's elegant and simple
[12:17] <jenda> hehe ok :)
[12:17] <jenda> MenZa: we weren't discussing you at all.
[12:17] <jenda> Nor your work.
[12:17] <jenda> Nope.
[12:17] <danbuch929> HA!
[12:17] <MenZa> lol
[12:18] <danbuch929> Hi MenZa!
[12:18] <MenZa> I shall demand logs for the past hour
[12:18] <MenZa> eya :)
[12:18] <MenZa> Heya*
[12:18] <danbuch929> and you shall have them
[12:18] <MenZa> XD
[12:18] <MenZa> Mmm, home made soup
[12:19] <danbuch929> MenZa:  have you any experience with Python web dev?
[12:20] <danbuch929> sorry... I'll let the soup work its magic :-)
[12:20] <MenZa> none at all
[12:21] <MenZa> :)
[12:21] <danbuch929> very little over here :-) ...    mostly php
[12:21] <danbuch929> I was wondering because...
[12:22] <danbuch929> I'd like for SpreadUbuntu to be written in Python, if possible .. for the sake of a common tongue amongst Ubuntu sites
[12:23] <MenZa> lol
[12:23] <MenZa> I only do XHTML/CSS
[12:23] <danbuch929> hehe ...   (my first loves...)
[12:23] <danbuch929> CSS is still my fave (design bg)
[12:24] <danbuch929> I got into web programming because nobody at my workplace knew a lick about the stuff
[12:25] <danbuch929> so know I might know half a lick about it :-D
[12:25] <MenZa> CSS is evil
[12:25] <jenda> flame war flame war flame war!!!
[12:25] <danbuch929> hehe
[12:25] <danbuch929> anyway:  I've been led into all things MarketingTeam by jenda here
[12:26] <MenZa> xD
[12:26] <MenZa> jenda: it's powerful
[12:26] <MenZa> but EVIL.
[12:26] <danbuch929> and I gladly took your excellent work for the DIY site and mod'd it here and there
[12:26] <MenZa> :D
[12:26] <MenZa> I think I saw that mod
[12:26] <MenZa> very nice
[12:27] <jenda> MenZa: anything in your mail yet?
[12:27] <danbuch929> and we're now talking about what else to add before letting it fly
[12:27] <danbuch929> thanks :-)
[12:27] <MenZa> jenda: nowt.
[12:27] <MenZa> jenda: and I apologise for not having printed the buggers yet
[12:27] <MenZa> jenda: I imagine I'll do it today
[12:27] <jenda> no problem
[12:27] <MenZa> And ship them tomorrow
[12:27] <jenda> I'm out of posters to ship anyway :)
[12:27] <danbuch929> jenda: that's good news, right? ;-)
[12:27] <MenZa> :D
[12:27] <jenda> good :)
[12:27] <jenda> A little sad, but good.
[12:27] <MenZa> danbuch929: well show me again
[12:28] <MenZa> jenda: what's happening with the A2s ;)?
[12:28] <jenda> MenZa: might have a printer do that commercially :)
[12:28] <MenZa> fantastic
[12:28] <jenda> met the guy at Linux Weekend.
[12:28] <MenZa> oh awesome
[12:29] <danbuch929> MenZa: have you been?  diy.devubuntu.com
[12:30] <MenZa> there we go
[12:30] <MenZa> I like those shiny boxes
[12:30] <danbuch929> hehe...    I'm a sucker for gradients
[12:30] <MenZa> waaaaaait
[12:30] <MenZa> do I spot a table?
[12:31] <danbuch929> 'tis yours, good sir
[12:31] <MenZa> I did a table?
[12:31] <danbuch929> and I'll gladly be rid of it, if you're amenable
[12:31] <MenZa> Thank you
[12:31] <danbuch929> so says the code
[12:31] <danbuch929> :-D
[12:31] <MenZa> I don't like your menu boxes, they're too big
[12:31] <MenZa> reduce the feather a tad
's be gone
[12:31] <danbuch929> noted :-)
[12:32] <MenZa> digging the highlight
[12:32] <MenZa> (of as)
[12:32] <jenda> danbuch929: please remove the order form from the poster page :) no more to give.
[12:32] <danbuch929> jenda: will do
[12:33] <MenZa> You had 1,000 printed, didn't you?
[12:33] <jenda> It also seems to me that the menu boxes don't really fit in with the rest of the thing, do they?
[12:33] <jenda> MenZa: 500
[12:33] <MenZa> ah
[12:33] <danbuch929> pretty much all of the design stuff was slapped together haphazardly - taken from other ubuntu sites
[12:33] <MenZa> :D
[12:34] <danbuch929> ...I stopped tweaking after iteration(2) :-) ... figured I'd wait for more feedback
[12:34] <MenZa> It's great
[12:34] <MenZa> Well done :)
[12:35] <danbuch929> thanks for laying the tracks :-)
[12:36] <jenda> just yesterday, I had a look at: http://devubuntu.com/
[12:36] <jenda> And thought... wow, that site looks great.
[12:37] <danbuch929> ...looks like we can thank elkbuntu for the design
[12:37] <jenda> aaah
[12:37] <elkbuntu> hehe
[12:38] <danbuch929> sorta reminds me of http://pandora.com (without the flash and ads)
[12:38] <MenZa> bit.
[12:38] <MenZa> Nice work, elkbuntu
[12:38] <MenZa> Not usually my style, but looks nice
[12:38] <MenZa> not my usual style*
[12:38] <jenda> I like the shaded-like border.
[12:39] <jenda> *shaded-3D-like
[12:56] <jenda> wow, that rocks :)
[12:56] <MenZa> it does
[01:00] <elkbuntu> hmm? did he change it or it still the spaceman?
[01:00] <MenZa> Spaceman.
[01:01] <elkbuntu> i was wondering about jenda's amusement.. i would have thought jenda would have seen it by now :|
[01:02] <jenda> elkbuntu: I did see it, many times...
[01:02] <jenda> ...but my memory is short :)
[01:02] <elkbuntu> lol
[01:02] <jenda> Which allows me to rejoice over things over, and over, and over again...
[01:03] <MenZa> xD
[01:03] <jenda> Yay, MenZa :) glad to see you again...
[01:03] <danbuch929> hehehe  ....  the bliss of the amnesiac
[01:03] <jenda> :)
[01:03] <MenZa> :D
[01:04] <jenda> trademarks @u.c doesn't respond :/
[01:04] <jenda> (regarding roughcut posters/t-shirts)
[01:06] <MenZa> oh they will
[01:07] <elkbuntu> how long ago did you ask?
[01:07] <MenZa> two minutes ago
[01:07] <MenZa> :d
[01:07] <MenZa> :D*
[01:09] <elkbuntu> well, i need to ask regarding having some ubuntu 1" buttons made for LCA
[01:10] <elkbuntu> s/ask/mail them/
[01:10] <MenZa> http://img447.imageshack.us/img447/571/getphpma9.png
[01:11] <elkbuntu> i hope to all that is good in the world that whoever did that did it in a VM
[01:11] <MenZa> nope
[01:11] <MenZa> :D
[01:11] <elkbuntu> then they deserve what they get
[01:11] <MenZa> XD
[01:11] <MenZa> 101 extensions
[01:11] <elkbuntu> that would take like.. an hour to load
[01:11] <MenZa> pretty painful
[01:11] <MenZa> minutes.
[01:12] <MenZa> and several of them.
[01:12] <elkbuntu> that is YOU?
[01:12] <MenZa> oh no
[01:12] <elkbuntu> good
[01:12] <MenZa> XP? Firefox 1.5?
[01:12] <MenZa> nooo waaay
[01:12] <elkbuntu> i was about to book the plane ticket
[01:12] <MenZa> to?=
[01:12] <elkbuntu> whoop your ass
[01:12] <MenZa> XD
[01:12] <MenZa> you're welcome to drop by
[01:12] <MenZa> xD
[01:13] <elkbuntu> lol
[01:15] <jenda> elkbuntu: I asked 2 weeks ago, and again yesterday.
[01:42] <danbuch929> later, y'all - off to work :-) ...  I'll bzr push and ftp revisions to DIY tomorrow morning
[01:43] <jenda> later :)
[02:23] <jenda> Guys, I need an opinion :)
[02:23] <jenda> Do you think 200 A2 posters @ $2/piece would sell? :)
[02:24] <MenZa> oh yeah
[02:25] <elkbuntu> i'd hit it
[02:37] <jenda> and if it were $3 apiece?
[02:40] <elkbuntu> i'd probably still hit it, but is that you covering cos or you making money
[02:40] <elkbuntu> s/cos/cost/
[02:40] <jenda> that's the printer making money.
[02:40] <jenda> probably.
[02:40] <jenda> I'm still not sure if I should buy it from him in bulk and send myself - and make more money for Ubuntu...
[02:40] <jenda> ..or just let him do his thing.
[02:41] <jenda> He would, of course, top the price towards maximum revenue.
[02:41] <jenda> Whereas I gear the price towards highest number of posters out there.
[02:44] <elkbuntu> i wouldnt go much higher than 3/poster if you then have to cover postage, people could get them done themselves for cheaper
[02:45] <jenda> elkbuntu: in A2?
[02:45] <jenda> I doubt it.
[02:46] <jenda> I'm definitely not going _over_ $3, though.
[02:46] <jenda> the shipping will be $6 or $7, though, because this time, it would include a tube.
[02:47] <elkbuntu> that's what i thought. a single poster = $10
[02:47] <jenda> I gotta go to the post office :)
[02:47] <jenda> send the last few shipments.
[03:04] <jenda> YES! :)
[03:06] <jenda> I can buy the posters at $1.60
[03:06] <jenda> And the printer will be selling them as well, independently on me.
[03:07] <elkbuntu> cool
[03:07] <elkbuntu> so back to $2/poster then?
[03:08] <elkbuntu> or. $2.50?
[03:09] <jenda> depends.
[03:09] <jenda> If I make it $3, I'll have some serious budget to work with.
[03:09] <jenda> Meaning I could start doing projects that don't have to make a profit.
[03:10] <jenda> Not having to go by what people buy, but by what spreads Ubuntu.
[03:10] <elkbuntu> you should do some button badges
[03:10] <jenda> button badges?
[03:10] <elkbuntu> 1" badges
[03:10] <elkbuntu> sec
[03:11] <elkbuntu> this is one of the places im considering getting some done through for LCA http://www.custombadges.com.au/
[03:11] <elkbuntu> ignore the js crap at the top
[03:12] <elkbuntu> so im thinking just the ubuntu logo on a white circle would rock. i've got a creative commons one i got at UDS in front of me. it's what gave me the idea
[03:13] <jenda> LCA?
[03:13] <elkbuntu> linux.conf.au
[03:13] <jenda> aaahh
[03:13] <jenda> button badges... neat.
[03:14] <jenda> I could get that done.
[03:14] <elkbuntu> yeah. i think you'll find they'll move like rockets
[03:15] <elkbuntu> i should have been greedy and got a couple at UDS, but i was too slow
[03:16] <jenda> hehe :)
[03:16] <jenda> elkbuntu: what's a good price on those?
[03:16] <jenda> I probably wouldn't be doing this, but I would give it as a tip to the printer guy.
[03:17] <elkbuntu> well, i can see them being done for <$1 here, so dunno what they'd be going for over there
[03:17] <jenda> welcome, jono
[03:17] <jono> heya
[03:17] <jenda> elkbuntu: that seems ubeatable
[03:18] <elkbuntu> jenda, 10c componants, they're making their fair share
[03:18] <jenda> I'll have to ask about that.
[03:18] <jenda> And I'll have to run off for Czech History lessons...
[03:18] <elkbuntu> enjoy!
[03:18] <jenda> ...or should I, if I really don't want to? :)
[03:19] <elkbuntu> you have wireless there, right?
[03:19] <elkbuntu> compromise!
[03:20] <jenda> lemme check... room 306
[03:20] <jenda> not sure if we do.
[03:20] <jenda> Don't remember :)
[03:21] <jenda> But it's not easy to use IRC with only 5 or 6 people in the room :)
[03:22] <jenda> anyway, I'm off, laters.
[06:28] <jono> Burgwork, ping!
[06:29] <MenZa> pong, pang, peng!
[06:57] <Burgwork> jono: pong
[07:06] <jenda> jono, what brings you to our humble channel?
[07:06] <jono> jenda, just seeing what is going on
[07:06] <jono> I am keen to help the marketing team grow
[07:11] <jenda> neat ;)
[07:24] <jenda> jono: I sent a summary of what the team is doing to the mailing list for Christina. It might be of interest to you too (and might not, of course :) ).
[09:25] <ompaul> nixternal, there is a pm there for you when you come around to IRC again :)