=== rexbron [n=rexbron@complex1-372-056.resnet.yorku.ca] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [01:28] Sundhay ain't no weason f0ur duh sl4ckin off ya j1v3 turk3y! === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === lotusleaf flaps arms and caws at Burgundavia [01:47] hey === rjian [n=rjian_se@203.111.235.139] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === rjian good morning [01:59] hi === tonyy [n=anthony@d235-240-148.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === zen-afk [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === adfa [n=rjian_se@203.111.235.139] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === adfa is now known as rjian [08:23] my monitor is dying :( [08:23] it's less than 2 years old :( [08:24] not cool [08:25] not at all [08:30] hmm, that sucks [08:31] jeromes monitor on his canonical laptop died on him [08:31] and that mahcine is about the same age [08:31] ok, compiz royally sucks [08:31] I would embarassed to give Ubuntu to somebody if we installed compiz by default [08:31] yep [08:31] what's it messing with now? [08:32] little minor things [08:32] once and a while it just looses the window list [08:32] and sometimes the highlighting on drop down lists doesn't appear [08:32] plus all the confirmed bugs in LP [08:33] heh [08:33] seems only to happen after been left running for many hours [08:35] well, at least i finally went and bought some new speakers today... so i can listen to musics now without increasing the temperature of my head by 10 degrees [08:36] heh [08:37] the monitor isnt completely dead yet. just 1/4 of it flickers [08:40] yay! two new bugs filed === tsmithe [n=bip@82-70-109-22.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [08:40] which brings my compiz total to 15 [08:41] :) [08:41] who other than mark is still pushing for compiz & associated crap decisions? [08:48] the beryl people [08:49] ah,, bloody hell, apt-get is barfing all over the placwe === tonyyarusso hands Burgundavia a bucket [08:50] hmm, appears that apt's db is corrupted [08:53] ok, that is funny [08:53] http://www.google.ca/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=corrupted+apt+db [08:53] look at most of the hits [08:54] ... wha...? [08:55] Burgundavia: I don't get it [08:55] most of the hits are for rpm db corruption [08:55] since when... rpm... uh... ? [09:06] finally got to pick up my Ubuntu posters that jenda sent - very, very cool design [09:07] yeah [09:08] theyre pretty awesome [09:14] time to blog my weekend with compiz [09:17] Burgundavia, a "Remind me again why we're planning on shipping these bugs by default" blogpost? ;) [09:18] basically === klepas [n=klepas@n219079206156.netvigator.com] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [09:39] lets see if you get a direct response from mark for this one [09:39] Burgundavia, that was a fairly restrained blogpost - no accusations of crack-smoking by the folks who proposed Compiz-by-default ;) [09:40] they are on crack, but I figured it would be more politic to point out why they are crack [09:41] going to try beryl when it is packaged [09:43] well written post corey :) [09:44] I try === mindspin [n=mindspin@p54B24B56.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [10:46] later all === jerom1 [n=jeromeb@LSt-Amand-152-32-6-178.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === jerom1 [n=jeromeb@LSt-Amand-152-32-6-178.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-marketing [] [11:20] [11:25] jenda: care to talk about spreadubuntu? [11:25] most definitely :) [11:26] I've been in conversation with the CMS developer more, and he lent me some very useful information... [11:26] such as? [11:26] most of the CMS is written around Cheetah Template [11:26] http://cheetahtemplate.org [11:27] apt-get install python-cheetah [11:27] anyone hoping to help with the branch will greatly benefit from this [11:28] the developer, Amir, is also working to have his 1.0 release dpkg-ized [11:28] how that? [11:28] ah, greatzorz :) [11:28] learn cheetah == learn skeletonz [11:28] hopefully in the near future, it will simply be a matter of "apt-get install skeletonz" [11:29] ...but on a less technical note: [11:30] I wanted to restart the discussion about site construction, features, design, touchy-feely stuff [11:31] hehe === jenda thinks === danbuch929 thinks reciprocally === jenda reviews the wiki... [11:35] Well, the site is intended for people who wish to help Ubuntu to spread. [11:35] It's very probable that these people aren't browsing the web for the first time, so we can expect some experience. [11:37] Come to think of it, that doesn't mean anything for the touch and feel of the site anyway ;) We still have to make it as easy to understand... so... [11:38] (/me might be thinking outloud a bit too much :) ) [11:41] hehe === danbuch929 is reviewing design spec @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/SpreadUbuntu/GraphicalDesignSpec [11:43] "We have decided that we want to use the idea of Nestor Diaz's suggestion, polish it, and use Kassetra's very fine icons." [11:43] is this opinion still valid? [11:45] danbuch929: not really [11:46] at the time, SU was intended also as the flashy site for new users [11:46] :-) .... so will we be starting from scratch? [11:46] the one you point them to when they ask you what is Ubuntu? [11:47] and we now point them to ubuntu.com ? [11:48] we always have, I guess. [11:49] We can make that flashy site some time in the future, or work on making Ubuntu.com that flashy site... [11:49] excellent [11:49] although ubuntu.com is quite good as it is for the businesses to look at, so I'd be more inclined to a spread.ubuntu.com splash-screen type thing :) [11:50] yes - that'd probably do it [11:51] with SU, we're trying to address the DIY marketing need, so it's okay to be more familiar with the user [11:51] ...less business-y, that is [11:52] yes [11:52] that's true. [11:52] ...but still very accessible to the new GNU/Linux convert [11:53] (like myself :-)) [11:53] The DIY part - the part of SU I'd like to focus on, and what we're mainly making progess on right now, should distribute marketing Ubuntu into the masses. [11:53] very much so. [11:53] The people shouldn't have to be technically too advanced to benefit from diy.ubuntu.com [11:53] ...just trying to make Ubuntu a familiar word, for starters :-p [11:54] right [11:54] "Gleefully resurrected by new wave of Ubuntu converts. Might be [11:54] permanent." [11:54] :) === danbuch929 couldn't help himself [11:56] [11:56] on the subject of the diy site: [11:56] I've only gotten feedback from you, jenda :-D [11:57] hehe :) [11:57] I'm sure there have been plenty of folks who have visited diy.devubuntu.com and have gotten the same knee-jerk reaction: [11:58] "...but it should also have $FEATURE_INTENDED_FOR_SPREADUBUNTU.COM" [11:58] (/me remarks that he understood the current diy.devubunt.com only as a placeholder for teh future skeletonz site in its place) [11:58] and I hate to pour even more energy into diy when I really want to see SpreadUbuntu up [11:58] right [12:06] hehe :) [12:06] Honestly, once DIY is up, we'll be able to get the rest of SU up better, because we'll have a start... [12:06] and people pouring in... [12:06] and, BTW, I like your 'crappy sense of humor' ;) [12:07] thanks :-D ... it's honed from years of cynicism and apathy [12:07] ...but about getting DIY up and running... [12:08] I really haven't touched the thing in two weeks, mostly because I don't know exactly what else should be added [12:08] aha [12:08] hmm [12:09] How long do you think it would take till we had a skeletonz ready to use for the purpose? [12:09] meaning... there's a LOT that *could* be added... [12:09] skeletonz for DIY? [12:10] ...or for SU? [12:12] well... [12:12] I thought we were to use it for DIY :) [12:12] If that wasn't your plan, then I'm OK with that too o [12:13] right... sorry... Do we want to CMS-ify the current diy design? or is it okay if I hold off on CMS until the full SpreadUbuntu? [12:13] perfectly ok [12:13] that is: diy.devubuntu.com is based on MenZa's work [12:13] and is written entirely in php [12:13] in that case, I'll start thinking what we want on diy.du.com [12:13] with _no_ MySQL backend [12:13] okay :-) [12:14] when I said that the only feedback I got was from _you_, I left out one other person [12:15] Toby Smithe sent me some feedback [12:16] ...and his disappointment in the site's flexibility echoed my own reservations [12:16] which should say nothing about MenZa's design - it's elegant and simple === MenZa [n=menza@last.fm/subscriber/pdpc.student.MenZa] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === danbuch929 sees MenZa has joined us :-D [12:17] hehe ok :) [12:17] MenZa: we weren't discussing you at all. [12:17] Nor your work. [12:17] Nope. [12:17] HA! [12:17] lol [12:18] Hi MenZa! [12:18] I shall demand logs for the past hour [12:18] eya :) [12:18] Heya* [12:18] and you shall have them === danbuch929 defended your honor to the death [12:18] XD [12:18] Mmm, home made soup [12:19] MenZa: have you any experience with Python web dev? [12:20] sorry... I'll let the soup work its magic :-) [12:20] none at all [12:21] :) [12:21] very little over here :-) ... mostly php [12:21] I was wondering because... [12:22] I'd like for SpreadUbuntu to be written in Python, if possible .. for the sake of a common tongue amongst Ubuntu sites [12:23] lol [12:23] I only do XHTML/CSS [12:23] hehe ... (my first loves...) [12:23] CSS is still my fave (design bg) === jenda lets the devs take the stage [12:24] I got into web programming because nobody at my workplace knew a lick about the stuff === MenZa shudders [12:25] so know I might know half a lick about it :-D [12:25] CSS is evil [12:25] flame war flame war flame war!!! [12:25] hehe [12:25] anyway: I've been led into all things MarketingTeam by jenda here [12:26] xD [12:26] jenda: it's powerful [12:26] but EVIL. [12:26] and I gladly took your excellent work for the DIY site and mod'd it here and there [12:26] :D [12:26] I think I saw that mod [12:26] very nice [12:27] MenZa: anything in your mail yet? [12:27] and we're now talking about what else to add before letting it fly [12:27] thanks :-) [12:27] jenda: nowt. [12:27] jenda: and I apologise for not having printed the buggers yet [12:27] jenda: I imagine I'll do it today [12:27] no problem [12:27] And ship them tomorrow [12:27] I'm out of posters to ship anyway :) [12:27] jenda: that's good news, right? ;-) [12:27] :D [12:27] good :) [12:27] A little sad, but good. [12:27] danbuch929: well show me again [12:28] jenda: what's happening with the A2s ;)? [12:28] MenZa: might have a printer do that commercially :) [12:28] fantastic [12:28] met the guy at Linux Weekend. [12:28] oh awesome [12:29] MenZa: have you been? diy.devubuntu.com [12:30] there we go [12:30] I like those shiny boxes [12:30] hehe... I'm a sucker for gradients [12:30] waaaaaait [12:30] do I spot a table? [12:31] 'tis yours, good sir [12:31] I did a table? [12:31] and I'll gladly be rid of it, if you're amenable [12:31] Thank you === MenZa shudders [12:31] so says the code [12:31] :-D [12:31] I don't like your menu boxes, they're too big [12:31] reduce the feather a tad [12:31] 's be gone [12:31] noted :-) [12:32] digging the highlight === jenda loves gradients too [12:32] (of as) [12:32] danbuch929: please remove the order form from the poster page :) no more to give. [12:32] jenda: will do [12:33] You had 1,000 printed, didn't you? [12:33] It also seems to me that the menu boxes don't really fit in with the rest of the thing, do they? [12:33] MenZa: 500 [12:33] ah [12:33] pretty much all of the design stuff was slapped together haphazardly - taken from other ubuntu sites [12:33] :D [12:34] ...I stopped tweaking after iteration(2) :-) ... figured I'd wait for more feedback [12:34] It's great [12:34] Well done :) [12:35] thanks for laying the tracks :-) [12:36] just yesterday, I had a look at: http://devubuntu.com/ [12:36] And thought... wow, that site looks great. === jenda points at MitchM [12:37] ...looks like we can thank elkbuntu for the design [12:37] aaah [12:37] hehe [12:38] sorta reminds me of http://pandora.com (without the flash and ads) [12:38] bit. [12:38] Nice work, elkbuntu [12:38] Not usually my style, but looks nice [12:38] not my usual style* [12:38] I like the shaded-like border. [12:39] *shaded-3D-like === MenZa likes SABFDL's hackergotchi [12:56] wow, that rocks :) [12:56] it does [01:00] hmm? did he change it or it still the spaceman? [01:00] Spaceman. [01:01] i was wondering about jenda's amusement.. i would have thought jenda would have seen it by now :| [01:02] elkbuntu: I did see it, many times... [01:02] ...but my memory is short :) [01:02] lol [01:02] Which allows me to rejoice over things over, and over, and over again... [01:03] xD [01:03] Yay, MenZa :) glad to see you again... [01:03] hehehe .... the bliss of the amnesiac [01:03] :) [01:03] :D [01:04] trademarks @u.c doesn't respond :/ [01:04] (regarding roughcut posters/t-shirts) [01:06] oh they will [01:07] how long ago did you ask? [01:07] two minutes ago [01:07] :d [01:07] :D* [01:09] well, i need to ask regarding having some ubuntu 1" buttons made for LCA [01:10] s/ask/mail them/ [01:10] http://img447.imageshack.us/img447/571/getphpma9.png [01:11] i hope to all that is good in the world that whoever did that did it in a VM [01:11] nope [01:11] :D [01:11] then they deserve what they get [01:11] XD [01:11] 101 extensions [01:11] that would take like.. an hour to load [01:11] pretty painful [01:11] minutes. [01:12] and several of them. [01:12] that is YOU? [01:12] oh no [01:12] good [01:12] XP? Firefox 1.5? [01:12] nooo waaay [01:12] i was about to book the plane ticket [01:12] to?= [01:12] whoop your ass [01:12] XD [01:12] you're welcome to drop by [01:12] xD [01:13] lol [01:15] elkbuntu: I asked 2 weeks ago, and again yesterday. === MenZa [n=menza@last.fm/subscriber/pdpc.student.MenZa] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === willvdl [n=will@vc-196-207-41-253.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === dgold [n=aiden@dsl-51-63.dsl.netsource.ie] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [01:42] later, y'all - off to work :-) ... I'll bzr push and ftp revisions to DIY tomorrow morning [01:43] later :) [02:23] Guys, I need an opinion :) [02:23] Do you think 200 A2 posters @ $2/piece would sell? :) [02:24] oh yeah [02:25] i'd hit it [02:37] and if it were $3 apiece? [02:40] i'd probably still hit it, but is that you covering cos or you making money [02:40] s/cos/cost/ [02:40] that's the printer making money. [02:40] probably. [02:40] I'm still not sure if I should buy it from him in bulk and send myself - and make more money for Ubuntu... [02:40] ..or just let him do his thing. [02:41] He would, of course, top the price towards maximum revenue. [02:41] Whereas I gear the price towards highest number of posters out there. [02:44] i wouldnt go much higher than 3/poster if you then have to cover postage, people could get them done themselves for cheaper [02:45] elkbuntu: in A2? [02:45] I doubt it. [02:46] I'm definitely not going _over_ $3, though. [02:46] the shipping will be $6 or $7, though, because this time, it would include a tube. [02:47] that's what i thought. a single poster = $10 [02:47] I gotta go to the post office :) [02:47] send the last few shipments. [03:04] YES! :) === jenda got himself a deal. [03:06] I can buy the posters at $1.60 [03:06] And the printer will be selling them as well, independently on me. [03:07] cool [03:07] so back to $2/poster then? [03:08] or. $2.50? [03:09] depends. [03:09] If I make it $3, I'll have some serious budget to work with. [03:09] Meaning I could start doing projects that don't have to make a profit. [03:10] Not having to go by what people buy, but by what spreads Ubuntu. [03:10] you should do some button badges [03:10] button badges? [03:10] 1" badges [03:10] sec [03:11] this is one of the places im considering getting some done through for LCA http://www.custombadges.com.au/ [03:11] ignore the js crap at the top [03:12] so im thinking just the ubuntu logo on a white circle would rock. i've got a creative commons one i got at UDS in front of me. it's what gave me the idea [03:13] LCA? [03:13] linux.conf.au [03:13] aaahh [03:13] button badges... neat. [03:14] I could get that done. [03:14] yeah. i think you'll find they'll move like rockets [03:15] i should have been greedy and got a couple at UDS, but i was too slow [03:16] hehe :) [03:16] elkbuntu: what's a good price on those? [03:16] I probably wouldn't be doing this, but I would give it as a tip to the printer guy. === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [03:17] well, i can see them being done for <$1 here, so dunno what they'd be going for over there [03:17] welcome, jono [03:17] heya [03:17] elkbuntu: that seems ubeatable [03:18] jenda, 10c componants, they're making their fair share [03:18] I'll have to ask about that. [03:18] And I'll have to run off for Czech History lessons... [03:18] enjoy! [03:18] ...or should I, if I really don't want to? :) [03:19] you have wireless there, right? [03:19] compromise! [03:20] lemme check... room 306 [03:20] not sure if we do. [03:20] Don't remember :) [03:21] But it's not easy to use IRC with only 5 or 6 people in the room :) [03:22] anyway, I'm off, laters. === willvdl [n=will@vc-196-207-41-253.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === MitchM hails elkbutunu for her wonderful web-design skills! === danbuchWork [n=chatzill@ccs001.clevelandcorporate.com] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [06:28] Burgwork, ping! [06:29] pong, pang, peng! === ompaul [n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === tsmithe [n=bip@82-70-109-22.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [06:57] jono: pong === tonyy [n=anthony@d235-240-148.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [07:06] jono, what brings you to our humble channel? [07:06] jenda, just seeing what is going on [07:06] I am keen to help the marketing team grow [07:11] neat ;) [07:24] jono: I sent a summary of what the team is doing to the mailing list for Christina. 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