=== geser [n=michael@dialin104042.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:34] joejaxx, ping! [12:35] LaserJock, ping! [12:36] ? [12:36] joejaxx, join ubuntu studio now [12:36] luisbg: what? [12:36] ? lol [12:37] [Sun Dec 03 17:02:42 2006] [error] [client 82.96.96.3] File does not exist: /var [12:37] luisbg: i am already there [12:37] we got a cinelerra developer in ubuntu studio right now [12:37] /www/i/know.where.you.live.and.will.hunt.you.down.{censored racial slur} [12:37] jdong: haha [12:37] lovely :) [12:37] he is very interested in packaging it for ubuntu [12:37] oh no [12:37] and becoming part of the ubuntu community [12:37] jdong: what is that? [12:37] now I'm even getting threats through my apache logs :D [12:37] man that is crazy [12:37] joejaxx: well apparently someone really hates me? [12:37] lol [12:37] some lines from any motu saying he will be helped would be cool, since he says he doesn't know much about packaging [12:37] jdong: :( === gandalfn [n=gandalfn@i02m-87-89-253-156.d4.club-internet.fr] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ubuntu [n=ubuntu@d83-184-110-196.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-152-36.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rexbron [n=rexbron@complex1-372-056.resnet.yorku.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkMageZ [n=richard@59.167.29.110] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:06] ubuntu-doc [01:06] err ignore that [01:22] tsmithe-afk: um, duplicating asoundconf(1) functionality is madness === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:23] tsmithe-afk: I'm currently integrating pulseaudio support into asoundconf(1), so you'd have to resync at each iteration. It's much more sensible to invoke asoundconf directly from your gui and to Depend on alsa-utils in debian/control. [01:25] ajmitch: look at autotools-dev for what? === nolimitsoya [n=nolimits@176.139.216.81.static.vhe.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:25] hi crimsun, have you read my comment on bug 74088 ? [01:25] Malone bug 74088 in oo2c "Please sync oo2c (universe) from unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/74088 [01:26] Adri2000: did you ask me to revu a couple packages for you the other day? [01:26] Laser_away: yeah, this one: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3553 [01:27] Adri2000: that's the only one? [01:27] I lost my todo list so I'm trying to not be mean and forget people ;-) [01:28] ok :) there is also http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3540 but waiting for a new upstream release [01:28] ok, I won't do that one yet then === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:34] Simon80: the lintian issue you asked me about [01:34] Adri2000: I'm about 1/10th through my e-mail flood; I'll probably get around to it in 4 hours. === zul [n=bob@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:34] crimsun: okay :-) === nolimitsoya [n=nolimits@176.139.216.81.static.vhe.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:37] ajmitch, err, isn't it as simple as running autoconf in the directory? [01:37] incidentally, the Makefile.am does it, so probably that means that the lintian warning can be ignored === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === FliesLikeALap [n=Ryan@eggplant-07.dynamic2.rpi.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:38] ah, ajmitch, thanks a lot, the README is nice and informative [01:39] ajmitch: ping === Simon80 changes nickname, says pong [01:44] Burgundavia: yes? [01:44] ajmitch: compiz... I had a question, but now I have lost it [01:44] fine === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu === muzzol [n=muzzol@blah.jabber.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rpedro [n=rpedro@87-196-7-27.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:48] hey is there any possibility of someone working side by side with me on this stupid eclipse-cdt? [01:49] meh.. === ryanakca [i=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:58] hrm, would it be bad of me to make a *.deb of the eclipse-cdt without source? (ie make it from the java jar files) [01:58] its platform independant, but it's also not source... === Dinxter [n=niall@82-41-236-160.cable.ubr12.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:00] yes [02:00] it would be bad === reggaemanu_ [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-152-36.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:10] zul: weak, cause i think i could have had a chance packaging it from scratch [02:14] well, given its history, calling java bytecode arch independent is a stretch sometimes [02:14] Simon80: the bytecode is arch-independent, sure ;-) [02:15] but that doesn't mean it'll work on all arches :) [02:15] whats the cdt licence [02:15] jdong: I was making fun of java [02:15] ah [02:15] nvm [02:15] so was I :) [02:15] it will say much more about whether its ok to package from the jars === plugwash wonders if sun will go through with thier promise to opensource java [02:16] plugwash: too late, haha === rpedro__ [n=rpedro@87-196-37-207.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:16] Simon80 last i checked they had opensourced the compiler (virtually zero value) and the vm (reasonablly high value) but not the class libraries (highest value) [02:16] ah [02:17] yeah, that's still the last I heard [02:17] I think they will, I mean, they GPL'd the VM [02:17] now they can't stop, or else they're flipflopping, that looks bad [02:21] the impression i always got was that sun had a dual personality === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:22] on the one hand they seem to think its good for them if *nix gains ground over windows and if java gains ground over microsofts java derivitives/clones (j++ and .net) [02:23] on the other hand they know as well as anyone else how much damage lintel has done to traditional unix vendors [02:23] they make money on hardware [02:23] so as linux grows, they get to sell more niagaras ? [02:25] yes, but traditional unix only ran on expensive high end hardware [02:25] linux runs on cheap intel/amd based whiteboxes === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey_ [n=herman@vpn.osso.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=bob@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === muzzol [n=muzzol@blah.jabber.dk] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === fowlduck [n=nate@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-74.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=bob@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:28] sun sort of has a weird strategy like that === orion2012 [n=orion@cpe-70-114-30-76.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:35] but one could argue that linux is good for them, they DO sell hardware.. [03:37] joel spolsky had a piece where he says, ok, they're commoditising the software by open sourcing staroffice and stuff, but they're commoditising hardware by supporting java [03:38] I don't know if that makes sense, cause open source software is made fairly portable just by being open source, which is similar to java [03:39] what it means is that there's more software that will run on your hardware [03:39] but at the same time, lots of other people's hardware [03:39] his thing was about complementary products [03:39] yeah [03:40] so java is about enterprise right [03:40] if you make the enterprise software pervasive [03:40] not really [03:40] in the context of java & sun hw it is :) [03:40] yeah, true [03:40] which is wierd [03:40] things like ME are clearly different [03:41] whenever I see people using java on a server, I'm like, what? but when I think about it, unless you use fastCGI or something, you're going to be using a scripting lang of some kind [03:41] php, lisp, perl, python, ASP, .NET (which is like java) [03:41] java is pretty fast [03:41] the hotspot vm - slick as [03:42] I wouldn't really know.. but my desktop java experience has always left me wishing for a native app [03:42] oh hey lifeless [03:42] mostly when on windows htough [03:42] Simon80: in which regard, UI? performance? startup ? [03:42] zul: hi [03:42] lmao, lifeless, that about sums it up, just remove the "in which regard" part [03:43] memory usage is part of performance, to be clear [03:43] cause that's another thing === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:48] I'm doing another upload of stepmania, feel free to review it anyone [03:48] I didn't repack the original tarball, but I remove some cruft in clean instead [03:59] are the us archives ever coming back === rmjb [n=richard@cuscon11656.tstt.net.tt] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nolimitsoya [n=nolimits@176.139.216.81.static.vhe.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jorgp [n=jorgp@adsl-70-234-108-24.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@202.183.115.249] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ademan [n=dan@h-68-164-186-127.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jikanter [n=jordan@c-24-12-220-77.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:05] rmjb: around? [05:05] ya === jabra [n=jabra@utopia.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:06] hey guys [05:06] rmjb: did you ask me to do a review the other day? [05:06] yeah, the iriverter, I just updated the dependency as per my email to the list today [05:08] I'll send you the fresh link [05:08] you have time now? === redguy_ [n=mati@public-gprs15000.centertel.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:12] rmjb: not exactly now, but I lost my todo list so I wanted to make sure I didn't leave anybody hanging [05:13] I'll send it to you in an email then... I have to go to sleep now anyhow [05:13] one question about depends, recommends and suggests though [05:13] Laser: I need a review :) [05:14] iriverter needs java to start, but needs mplayer, mencoder and ffmpeg to function, should they all go under depends? [05:17] is it going to be of any use without them? [05:17] nah, just look pretty [05:17] lol [05:17] so depends [05:17] thanks [05:17] does it need all three to be useful? [05:17] yep [05:17] well then [05:17] lol, nobody will want it without them, right? [05:18] just wanted to know if depends is only for what's needed to get the prog running [05:18] Laser_away: I'll send you that email now, thanks again [05:18] no, more like things that make it actually work [05:18] heh, no, but that's probably in the debian policy manual [05:18] which is rather descriptive [05:18] if they are optional put them in Recommends [05:18] though lintian seems to be more detailed sometimes [05:18] like complaining that my extended description lines are too long [05:19] it's not in the DPM [05:22] Laser_away, do you care to put me in your TODO? [05:24] I can, I certainly can't promise I'll get to it right away [05:24] but I can add to the list ;-) [05:27] sure [05:28] stepmania and stepmania-data [05:28] but I hope you prefer preserving the upstream tarball over repacking it to remove upstream cvs cruft [05:28] like, not a lot of cvs cruft [05:28] 4 files [05:29] well I'm off to bed [05:29] g'night all [05:29] night [05:36] I'm doing another upload of stepmania and stepmania-data, to fix some binary warnings from lintian [05:37] I've done too many uploads... but anyway, that's it, hopefully in a week's time or so someone will have seen fit to review them (pretty please), and I'm not going to bug anyone about it during that time [05:38] nor am I uploading any more revisions, hehe === lengau [n=lengau@c-68-53-53-39.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:44] Simon80: keep bugging about it, it's fine. and uploading - it's what REVU is for [05:44] hehe [05:44] it shouldn't take bugging, my package is a killer app ;) [05:44] upid? [05:44] that's why i'm packaging it [05:45] Hobbsee: too much bugging in a short time can be detrimental, however [05:45] hehe.. [05:46] Simon80: upid? [05:46] crimsun: what? [05:46] lol [05:46] the revu upid for stepmania. [05:46] ohh [05:46] hehe, sorry [05:46] lemme fetch it [05:46] ajmitch: true [05:46] you could just go to revu.tauware.de and find it... but one sec [05:47] yes, I could, but then I wouldn't have asked for it. [05:47] lol [05:47] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3662, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3663 [05:47] both are needed [05:47] one is just data [05:51] for 3662, have you considered stripping the cvs copies/data to generate a 3.9+ubuntu.orig.tar.gz? [05:52] ...others have, I thought it was a bad idea? [05:52] I mean, like, I don't see why it's better to complicate things by changing the orig tarball just for the sake of the cruft [05:53] depends what you consider "good practice" [05:53] the clean target won't remove said cruft regardless [05:53] I thought preserving upsteam was good practice [05:53] it surely is. [05:54] having no cruft in the orig.tar.gz is also good practice. [05:54] what do you mean about clean? I know it doesn't remove it from the sources, but at least nobody can complain that it's interfering with the build [05:54] I don't see why no cruft is better practice than preserving upstream though [05:55] preserving upstream is not necessarily best given one's approach [05:55] see automake1.9, for instance. [05:56] what about automake? [05:56] look at the orig.tar.gz [05:56] you want me to source it right now? [05:57] automake1.9_1.9.6+nogfdl.orig.tar.gz [05:57] ok, that's irrelevant, that's a licensing issue [05:57] that's not irrelevant. === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:57] to this cruft issue, yes, I would say [05:57] I wouldn't. [05:57] that is one example of a reason to repack [05:58] if I were rolling stepmania, I'd strip the cruft. [05:58] but licensing issues aren't the same as cruft issues [06:00] from common mistakes: [06:00] The following are not reasons to change the original tarball: [06:00] Files need to be removed to keep the .diff.gz small (e.g., files created by autotools). Everything that needs to be deleted should be removed in the clean rule. Since the .diff.gz is created with diff -u, you will not see removed files in the .diff.gz. [06:01] I delete anything that needs to be deleted in the clean rule, just like it says [06:01] https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-mistakes.html [06:01] again, that's your approach. === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:02] crimsun: you're a core dev arent you? [06:02] oh, so you aren't saying my approach is bad? [06:02] Simon80: I've not said it's bad, no. [06:02] Hobbsee: yes [06:02] ok, cause a couple of other MOTUs seemed to be saying that leaving it in was THAT bad [06:03] Simon80: personally it's unclean and not best practice, but it's not wrong. [06:03] one of them even went so far as to say that a package not putting prefs in ~/.package was equally as bad as cruft [06:04] I agree it's unclean, but I feel just as unclean repacking just for cruft, and the guidelines in the the common mistakes discussion seem to agree with me, and I think those guidelines make sense [06:06] argh, edgy's nautilus managed to get released with a spinlooping bug [06:06] and it happens so often, it's amazing [06:07] thanks for looking at my package, btw [06:07] crimsun === lengau [n=lengau@c-68-53-53-39.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:19] crimsun, do u have a min to do another revu? [06:19] I will after stepmania-data [06:19] okay cool [06:21] thank you very much crimsun [06:22] Simon80: debian/copyright seems a bit odd for stepmania-data, and its Description needs to be changed to describe its actual function [06:22] the description in control? [06:22] yes, the one-line summary [06:22] oh, the one liner [06:22] ok [06:23] feel free to suggest [06:23] you just mean for data, right? [06:23] ajmitch: I'm sure you'll be happy to know I'll now be fighting to _not_ have beryl in ubuntu-desktop. [06:23] lol [06:23] Simon80: stepmania-data only, yes [06:23] just beryl? why beryl? [06:23] Amaranth: haha, excellent [06:24] Simon80: ([for stepmania-data] debian/control references files that don't exist) [06:24] I had my python stuff as LGPL, Quinn threw a fit because she is a GPL-freak, now they're talking about hijacking my stuff the same way they hijacked compiz and making it GPL [06:25] I love this *community* project [06:25] lol [06:25] oh it's certainly community! [06:25] crimsun, explain? [06:25] about my control, I mean [06:25] ajmitch: Did you know they changed everything from MIT to GPL? [06:26] They had a document saying it was GPL but all the code still said MIT. They just finished actually changing it [06:26] So now they can take freely from compiz but compiz can't touch their code [06:26] that's... special [06:26] Simon80: RageFileDriverZip.cpp, src/crypto/, RageSurfaceUtilsPalettize.cpp, libmad, etc. [06:26] oh, copyright? [06:27] yes [06:27] sorry, meant copyright [06:27] I copied that all verbatim from the same tarball.. [06:27] Amaranth: im pretty sure you can *actually* relicense LGPL to GPL tho [06:27] right? [06:27] Simon80: that's my point :) [06:27] yeah [06:27] what should I do though? [06:27] Lathiat: They can. [06:27] Lathiat: They're talking about 'freeing' my code right now. [06:28] Simon80: since those files aren't actually in the source package for stepmania-data, they shouldn't be included in stepmania-data's debian/copyright. [06:28] lol, if it was freeing, it wouldn't be legal [06:28] Lathiat: it's not a matter of whether it's possible, it's a matter of whether it's right to do so [06:28] Simon80: the relevant info for the actual files in -data should be [06:29] ajmitch: i beleive their perfectly within their right too [06:29] that said [06:29] the whole beryl thign seems like a big mes [06:29] Lathiat: sure, if they want to just fork everything & never worry about being able to give code back [06:29] and im jsut goign to stay away from it [06:29] crimsun: the original copying file is in the / of the orig [06:29] which is pretty much how things have gone now [06:29] nod [06:29] so you can see that's all I have to work with from upstream [06:29] what about MIT->GPL tho [06:29] is that legal? [06:30] Haha, Quinn said he wishes he could fork ever BSD project just to make it GPL [06:30] Fucking looney tunes. [06:30] Lathiat, yes, stepmania ddoes it === Lathiat laughs [06:30] I mean, they include gpl code [06:30] which implies that yes, it's gpl compat [06:31] wow, talk about anal about licensing, lol, I mean, sure you may have a different opinion from the BSDs, but GPL forking it is a hostile move === DarkMageZ [n=richard@59.167.29.110] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:32] you only acheive any good copylefting if you include your own code in there that makes the GPL fork more appealing... in effect destroying the BSD licensed project === poningru [n=poningru@ip72-209-68-178.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:32] embrace, extend, extinguish, right? [06:32] do we *ahve* to talk about anal licensing? that just leads to discussions of open anal licensing, and things inevitably trundle downhill from there. [06:33] i think 'trundle' is a bit slow [06:33] turn into a rolling landslide? [06:33] haha [06:33] with an earthquake *and* hat lava chasing you? [06:33] mnepton! [06:33] AUGH! === mnepton faints [06:34] So, uh, I think sabdfl is the _only_ person still pushing for beryl. [06:34] And since I'm no longer writing the user-friendly frontend stuff that would be required... [06:34] crimsun: The following license applies to most of the StepMania codebase [including this package] : [06:34] and then sm's MIT license [06:34] and nothing irrelevant after [06:34] is that ok? [06:35] Simon80: there's no actual code in this source package, though. === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@202.183.115.236] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:35] Amaranth: then no beryl-by-default? yay! [06:36] Hobbsee: Pretty much [06:36] :P [06:36] do we get compiz-by-default? [06:36] Simon80: i.e., under what license(s) are these images available? [06:36] Quinn claims he'll write the new frontend but, uh, have you _seen_ beryl-settings? :) [06:36] crimsun: I think that's all I've got [06:36] Lathiat: That'd be nice === Lathiat grins at Amaranth [06:36] or how bout [06:36] compiz-installed-by-disabled-by-default? :P [06:36] Lathiat: And I think it's already got metacity binding compatibility [06:36] Simon80: I'm also noting a StepMania-3.9a binary package (which I presume contains the data) on sf.net [06:36] i want compositing. i just don't want it now. [06:37] yeah, that's the orig for sm-data [06:37] everyone else seems to be moving towards compiz [06:37] Simon80: so the data are identical (not diff from 3.9)? === Chandu [n=Chandu@203.129.255.178] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Chandu [n=Chandu@203.129.255.178] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:38] mnepton, exactly. i'd rather wait until it's ready for use [06:38] crimsun: when you say strip the leading article, you men remove "A free", right? - and yes, I mean that they only included the data in the binary release, so you need it with the source as well, see stepmania.com [06:38] Simon80: "A" [06:38] oh [06:38] package is a "foo bar blah" === zen-afk [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:39] right, ok, there's prolly something in the DPM about that, huh [06:39] instead of package is a "a foo bar blah" [06:39] if there currently isn't, there should be a patch made available :-) [06:39] linux compositing is like freddy kreuger. you see and it's like "zomg! pinch me i'm dreaming!" and then *just* as you begin to think you haven't really fallen asleep *BAM* it's all chainsaws and entrails [06:39] or something like that. [06:40] crimsun: patch? you talking about stepmania? if so, I'm confused what is being patched [06:40] well, xfwm4 4.2+ have compositing, but imo it's not worth switching environments just to gain that. YMMV. [06:40] Simon80: I'm referring to the Ubuntu packaging guide [06:40] oh [06:40] lol [06:41] crimsun: opengl compositing? [06:41] crimsun: that's XRender based [06:41] ah, thanks. [06:41] crimsun: You can do that with xcompmgr, same thing. === ajmitch should get another video card for this computer, to use the spare monitor [06:42] so crimsun: is my copyright fine? I'm going to upload that and stepmania and go to bed [06:43] ie. is removing the irrelevant stuff, and leaving in the MIT license [06:43] ok [06:43] Simon80: it would be best to get clarification from upstream themselves regarding those files [06:43] ah [06:43] :( [06:44] trust me, you want to put in the time now, since the archive admins will reject this source package if you don't include all the license info === Simon80 sighs, says ok [06:46] thanks for working on the packaging! === Hobbsee has seen syncs from debian rejected because of that [06:46] superm1: ping, which source package? [06:47] pong.... http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3396 [06:47] its been sitting up there a while [06:47] thanks [06:47] it was derived from flashplugin [06:47] nonfree [06:47] installer [06:48] once this sort of package is down for ivtv-firmware, i am planning to do the same sort of thing for pchdtv 2k,3k cards and ATI HDTV Wonder cards, with firmware packages for them [06:48] superm1: hmm, you might want to take a look at the current flashplugin-nonfree source package, then, because Bart cleaned it up significantly. [06:49] crimsun: what kind of clarification, do I need proof of what was said about it or something? [06:49] Hobbsee: from Debian? good enough for Debian but not Ubuntu? [06:49] Simon80: yes, including e-mail is sufficient, but actual changes to upstream cvs are even better [06:49] Simon80: i'm not sure how that slipped through [06:50] how current is the "current"? I think i actually took this one from sabfdl's repository or someone elses that used a flashplugin 9 [06:50] and modified from that [06:50] Hobbsee: what? [06:50] Simon80: from debian - i dont know how those couple of packages got into debian [06:50] superm1: current current; see the source package in feisty/multiverse [06:50] oh [06:50] oh. [06:51] crimsun: i'm royally frustrated with the eclipse-cdt at this point, do you know if there's any place i can get attention for this? for help or otherwise? [06:52] does the package now just bundle flash? it seems to [06:52] like a mailing list or something? [06:52] ah i see it has been cleaned up === dous [n=dous@124.104.0.197] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:52] crimsun, should I redo it against that one then u think? [06:52] ademan: yes, the motu list may help. [06:52] ademan: I'm interested in this but too busy right now to do much. sorry. [06:53] lifeless: that's fine, thanks for the mailing list, i'll google but do you have a link? [06:53] !motu list [06:53] Sorry, I don't know anything about motu list - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [06:53] superm1: personally preferable, yes, but it's your choice. I think you'll find the migration quite advantageous. [06:53] yikes simple debian rules :) [06:53] ademan: ubuntu-motu at lists dot ourfavouritedistro [06:54] crimsun, that being the case, i think i will just redo it against this newer one [06:54] its *much* prettier [06:54] superm1: great, thanks! [06:54] ourfavoritedistro dot com or just dot ourfavoritedistro ? [06:54] former [06:54] if i finish up tonite, i'll ping you,elsewise again in a day or two :) [06:54] superm1: ok [06:56] thanks crimsun [06:56] np [06:57] isn't the latest flash package just bundling it as opposed to dling it? [06:58] i dont see the .so sitting in the .tar.gz, and it looks to still download it at first glance [06:58] hmm [06:58] yea it still downloads it [06:58] Simon80: nope. [06:58] it has to download it. [06:58] but when? it's in my installed files guys [06:58] /usr/share/lintian/overrides/flashplugin-nonfree [06:58] /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so [06:58] /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libflashplayer.so [06:59] those are symlinks. [06:59] take a look at 'em. [06:59] oh, ok [06:59] I'm too lazy, man [07:00] I'm uploading stepmania.. but it's not worth it to upload stepmania-data till I get a reply, right? [07:00] Simon80: for stepmania-data, debian/copyright is a blocker [07:00] so, correct. [07:00] the other issue is stepmania's appearance infringing on Konami's properties === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-74.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:01] they haven't been sued, really, but it's evidently an issue, cause 4.0 features a revamped, intentionally different theme and terminology [07:01] that's not really any issue, since it'll go into universe due to its license [07:01] s/any/an/ [07:01] universe? [07:01] ....... [07:02] universe is for free stuff, no? [07:02] yes. Is there anything in stepmania that isn't? [07:02] no [07:02] not in the source, definitely [07:02] then its target is universe. [07:03] but I mean, I don't see how putting it in universe moots the whole infringement thing [07:03]