[12:15] <kwwii> night all
[12:15] <nixternal> nite kw
[12:15] <nixternal> heh
[12:15] <gnomefreak> nite kwwii
[12:15] <nixternal> he quit b4 tab complete could kick in
[12:16] <gnomefreak> nixternal: if you know anyone upstream on that feel free to contact them about it. i dont know anyone upstream for kde apps or kde at all
[12:16] <nixternal> ya, i will hit them up in a few
[12:16] <gnomefreak> coo
[12:16] <gnomefreak> l
[12:16] <nixternal> im checking the kde bugs
[12:48] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee: "Either it'll be removed, if someone requests it, or it will just stay there uninstallable." re: Bug 62699 <-- so kdar won't be in feisty or fixed in edgy? ;_; Is that the final decision?
[01:11] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: until they release something that actually *builds* - yes
[01:11] <Jucato> Hobbsee: good morning! :)
[01:11] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: against the dar that's in the repos, which other things rely on
[01:11] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato
[01:11] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee: thanks for your answer both on lp & here, I appreciate it. Is there any way to retain kdar, even if it means downgrading to install it?
[01:12] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee: ah, I would guess not, then, thx =)
[01:12] <Jucato> Hobbsee: have they decided to move the meeting?
[01:12] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: use the old dar, maybe
[01:12] <Hobbsee> no wait, that failed too
[01:12] <Hobbsee> Jucato: no idea
[01:12] <lotusleaf> 8)
[01:13] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee: it's cool, at least the kdar issue received some attention
[01:13] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee: perhaps kdar should fork? :)
[01:13] <Hobbsee> it's likely GPL
[01:13] <lotusleaf> hmm
[01:13] <lotusleaf> is there a gnome frontend to dar?
[01:13] <lotusleaf> perhaps people could be recommended to use that instead?
[01:19] <lotusleaf> or, wait, is dar broken altogether in edgy/feisty because of the incorrect lib?
[01:20] <jdong_> lotusleaf: kdar is the only GUI frontend to dar that I know of
[01:20] <jdong_> lotusleaf: and kdar is broken, not libdar/dar :)
[01:20] <jdong_> lotusleaf: actually "outdated" is more correct than broken
[01:20] <lotusleaf> jdong_: interesting, thanks =) oh, good! thank you again =)
[01:21] <jdong_> lotusleaf: I still use dar in CLI for one of my backup schemes
[01:21] <lotusleaf> jdong_: hehehe.. has a cvs backport been considered or would that not be prudent?
[01:21] <lotusleaf> jdong_: ya? oh so it by itself works just fine?
[01:21] <jdong_> lotusleaf: that'd need to be in Feisty first and I'd like to see evidence that it's not super-crashy either
[01:21] <lotusleaf> jdong_: k, thx again =)
[01:21] <jdong_> lotusleaf: and yes, command line dar still works great
[01:22] <lotusleaf> awesome (=
[01:22] <lotusleaf> hmm.. I'll see if the Krusader developers are interested in doing anything with dar
[01:23] <ryanakca> Riddell: ping
[01:25] <lotusleaf> jdong_: hmm a google turned up "dar.el: Disk archiver interface for Emacs" frontend, I've never tried it though =)
[01:25] <jdong_> sheesh wnat don't they make for emacs
[01:25] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: it is possible.  Riddell doesnt control that though
[01:26] <lotusleaf> also http://sarab.sourceforge.net/
[01:26] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: no, I wanted to talk to him about volunteer hours
[01:27] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: I need 40 volunteer hours to get my high school diploma
[01:28] <ryanakca> and yes, I know it is possible, except that the system doesn't want to let me unsubscribe, and riddell's e-mail is set as a contact for it...
[01:49] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: oh right
[02:14] <ryanakca> lol, the OSD for hobbsee's 'ryanakca: oh right' just popped up... about 24 minutes later
[02:15] <Jucato> O.o
[02:17] <ryanakca> same thing just happened for a ping in  #ubuntu-ca
[02:20] <robotgeek> ryanakca: does this work
[02:21] <Jucato> hm... probably doesn't...
[02:22] <Jucato> heh
[02:22] <ryanakca> here, I have an idea...
[02:22] <robotgeek> ryanakca invents time travel
[02:22] <ryanakca> yep
[02:22] <Jucato> heh
[02:22] <Jucato> pbuilder's the culprit?
[02:22] <ryanakca> probably because I'm running pbuilder create for my edgy and feisty pbuilder at the same time
[02:22] <robotgeek> aha
[02:22] <ryanakca> s/suspend/kill :D
[02:23] <ryanakca> yep, works :D
[02:24] <ryanakca> yeah
[02:55] <Jucato> hm... is Flash 9 beta 2 really in edgy-backports/multiverse?
[02:56] <jdong> Jucato: YES AND IT WORKS
[02:57] <Jucato> jdong: something strange... packages.ubuntu.com and ubotu can't seem to find it
[02:57] <Jucato> !info flashplugin-nonfree edgy-backports
[02:57] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: Macromedia Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 7.0.68~ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 15 kB, installed size 164 kB (Only available for i386)
[02:57] <Jucato> !info flashplugin-nonfree dapper-backports
[02:57] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: Adobe Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 9.0.21.78.2ubuntu1~dapper1 (dapper-backports), package size 12 kB, installed size 100 kB (Only available for i386)
[02:58] <jdong> Jucato: p.u.c sees it
[02:58] <jdong> 9.0.21.78.2ubuntu1~dapper1: i386
[02:58] <jdong> 9.0.21.78.2ubuntu1~edgy1: i386
[02:58] <Jucato> hmm...
[02:58] <Jucato> something wrong with my search then...
[02:59] <Jucato> I tried searching for flashplugin-nonfree in edgy-backports (from the dropdown list)
[02:59] <Jucato> anyway, ubotu doesn't see it
[02:59] <jdong> ubotu doesn't do backports
[02:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about doesn't do backports - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:59] <jdong> I KNOW YOU DONT
[03:00] <Jucato> jdong: look at the 2nd factoid for dapper
[03:00] <Jucato> it does do backports
[03:01] <jdong> !info ktorrent dapper-backports
[03:01] <ubotu> ktorrent: BitTorrent client for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.3-0ubuntu4~dapper1 (dapper-backports), package size 2066 kB, installed size 6756 kB
[03:01] <jdong> hmm
[03:02] <Jucato> :P
[03:02] <Jucato> btw, is there still something wrong with the us.archives?
[03:02] <jdong> perhaps
[03:02] <jdong> someone else is telling me that too
[03:03] <jdong> !info brasero edgy-backports
[03:03] <ubotu> brasero: CD/DVD burning application for GNOME. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.4-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 520 kB, installed size 1172 kB
[03:03] <jdong> it doesn't do edgy-backports
[03:03] <Jucato> ah
[03:03] <jdong> !info flashplugin-nonfree dapper-backports
[03:03] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: Adobe Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 9.0.21.78.2ubuntu1~dapper1 (dapper-backports), package size 12 kB, installed size 100 kB (Only available for i386)
[03:03] <Jucato> that explains it
[03:03] <jdong> yep, no Edgy
[03:03] <jdong> Seveas: ubotu edgy-backports
[03:51] <crimsun> argh, silly flash highlight
[03:51] <Jucato> oh... sorry crimsun
[03:51] <crimsun> np ;)
[03:52] <Jucato> someone was just having some problems with upgrading to Flash 9 in #kubuntu... which prompted me to ask somethings here...
[07:09] <robotgeek> hi, can i confirm bugs. i am not sure what the procedure is
[07:10] <mhb> robotgeek: just mark it as confirmed if you think it's confirmed enough I guess .o)
[07:10] <robotgeek> mhb: done then
[07:11] <robotgeek> Ubug2: 72869
[07:11] <robotgeek> hmm, spit the answer out, bot!
[07:11] <mhb> bug 72869
[07:11] <Ubug2> Malone bug 72869 in kdebase "Latest hal update breaks USB stick mounting in kubuntu dapper kde 3.5.5" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/72869
[07:12] <robotgeek> however, i dont know if it is rightly assigned to kdebase.
[07:12] <robotgeek> its probably hal, cause downgrading libhal fixes it
[07:13] <robotgeek> anyways confirmed and assigned to kubuntu team :)
[07:14] <robotgeek> night!
[07:14] <mhb> goodnight
[09:01] <Riddell> ryanakca: pong
[09:09] <cmvo> Riddell: Hi! Does dapper still have the configuration option to choose between sudo an su for kde admin mode? I just can't find it :-(
[09:13] <Riddell> cmvo: there was never a GUI option for it
[09:14] <Riddell> you can change it in a config file
[09:14] <cmvo> Riddell: I mean the config file...
[09:16] <Riddell> in kdeglobals
[09:16] <Riddell> [super-user-command] 
[09:16] <Riddell> super-user-command=su
[09:18] <cmvo> Riddell: Ah, thanks! I knew it existed, but forgot to make a note :-)
[09:21] <cmvo> Riddell: Is the feisty alternate cd working or just buildable?
[09:21] <Riddell> testers needed
[09:21] <Riddell> I expect it to be working
[09:23] <cmvo> Riddell: I'll give it a try. Just configuring a dapper system, but the screen saver kicks in every 10 seconds although its set to 5 minutes, strange...
[10:10] <\sh> moins
[10:11] <Riddell> hi \sh, I don't think I got the sip patch from you
[10:16] <\sh> hmmm...jriddell@ubuntu.com
[10:16] <\sh> I just send it again...from sh@sourcecode.de
[11:09] <\sh> Riddell: did you get the mail?
[11:12] <Riddell> nope
[11:12] <\sh> you got another non-ubuntu email address?
[11:16] <Riddell> jr @muse.19inch.net
[11:17] <Riddell> nothing in my gmail backup from you either
[11:18] <\sh> let me check if I can send it via gmail
[11:20] <\sh> Riddell: check for shr591 @gmail.com
[11:20] <Riddell> nothing
[11:21] <\sh> now to 19inch from sourcecode.de
[11:21] <\sh> mail is  going out..no problem on this side
[11:26] <Riddell> and received!
[11:26] <\sh> something is wrong with ubuntu.com then
[11:28] <Riddell> seems to work sending e-mail to myself
[11:29] <Riddell> and other e-mail is getting through
[11:29] <\sh> receiving mail works...I just send an email to my ubuntu.com address
[12:49] <nixternal> KOffice Security Adviser for those who haven't seen (all releases)
[12:53] <Riddell> nixternal: where did you read that?
[12:53] <nixternal> kde-announce
[12:54] <nixternal> http://www.kde.org/info/security/advisory-20061205-1.txt
[12:54] <Riddell> meh, and he still hasn't put the patch on the ftp server
[01:11] <ryanakca> Riddell: I'll be back after school later on today... I'll either talk to you then or e-mail you about those volunteer hours
[01:15] <abattoir> Riddell: hi :)
[01:16] <abattoir> Riddell: was speaking with cjwatson the other day about oem-config. He seems uncertain(and busy of course..) at this point as to where it might be heading
[01:17] <abattoir> Riddell: so i think i'll start porting to qt4 w/ the current infrastructure and modify if necessary as we go along
[01:17] <abattoir> Riddell: for the timezone widget, i was thinking of getting marble in...
[01:17] <Riddell> yes, the specs for feisty didn't really happy
[01:17] <abattoir> Riddell: what do you think?
[01:17] <Riddell> marble isn't released yet is it?
[01:17] <abattoir> Riddell: well, the version in svn seems to work pretty well...
[01:18] <Riddell> and I don't know if the position coordinates are known to oem-config, isn't that why it doesn't use a map?
[01:18] <abattoir> Riddell: anyway it needs to be pythonised i guess
[01:18] <Riddell> where is it in svn?
[01:19] <abattoir> svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/playground/base/marble
[01:19] <abattoir> from http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2429
[01:20] <Riddell> mm, missed that
[01:20] <Riddell> someone should make a package of it :)
[01:21] <abattoir> ok, i'll try :P
[02:10] <Tonio_> hi
[02:10] <abattoir> hello Tonio_
[02:16] <Riddell> hello RadiantFire
[02:17] <RadiantFire> hello
[02:17] <RadiantFire> just came to stick my head in because I was curious
[02:18] <Riddell> quick!  someone find him a job to do before he leaves!
[02:19] <mhb> so, when will the meeting take place?
[02:19] <Riddell> thursday, 22:00UTC
[02:20] <mhb> well there were some people (Hobbsee at least) that said they can't come, so I wondered if you haven't changed the date
[02:20] <RadiantFire> lol
[02:20] <mhb> thanks
[02:20] <Riddell> no change, I know hobbsee can't make it
[03:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: when will be the archives reopened ?
[03:17] <Tonio_> ho yes and I wanted to talk with you about an issue with translations in kde...
[03:18] <Tonio_> the kubuntu help is in english on all of my computers
[03:18] <Tonio_> and a few kdesktop thiings too
[03:18] <mhb> Tonio_: I guess it's filed
[03:18] <Tonio_> hi mhb :)
[03:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: when Herd is out
[03:19] <Tonio_> mhb: what is field ?
[03:19] <mhb> bug 73384 could be the one
[03:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73384 in kubuntu-docs "Localized Kubuntu documents missing" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73384
[03:19] <Tonio_> mhb: great but that's not the only issue
[03:19] <Tonio_> mhb: for example if you right click on a file on the desktop, cut, copy are in english
[03:19] <Tonio_> but the same in konqueror is in french here....
[03:20] <mhb> true
[03:20] <Tonio_> mhb: do you use english keyboard ?
[03:20] <Tonio_> mhb: I think those 2 errors are linked somehow, they appeared in the same time
[03:20] <mhb> Tonio_: nope
[03:20] <Tonio_> mhb: ah ?
[03:21] <mhb> Tonio_: I don't use an english keyboard
[03:21] <Tonio_> english desktop sorry :)
[03:21] <Tonio_> german one I presume ?
[03:21] <mhb> Tonio_: but the bug with kdesktop is present here as well
[03:21] <Tonio_> the point is that the 2 problems appeared in the exact same moment, just before edgy was out
[03:22] <Tonio_> right click -> open with on a desktop file is in english too.... very strange
[03:22] <Tonio_> and once again using the same options in konqueror...
[03:23] <Tonio_> maybe a 3.5.5 bug
[03:24] <mhb> right click -> open with is translated on my desktop (edgy)
[03:24] <mhb> but "cut" and "copy" is in English
[03:25] <Tonio_> hu ? very weird....
[03:26] <Tonio_> mhb: right click open is translated here too, but the popup window isn't :)
[03:26] <Tonio_> maybe I wasn't clear
[03:26] <Tonio_> same action in konqueror give a translated popup
[03:26] <mhb> oh yes
[03:27] <Tonio_> hehe ;)
[03:27] <mhb> I didn't understand it first, sorry - the popup window is in English, too
[03:27] <Tonio_> okay, I'll investigate with bugs.kde.org
[03:28] <Tonio_> it looks like kde miss the localization sometimes...
[03:28] <Tonio_> maybe the same issues causes that kubuntu documents issue
[03:29] <mhb> Tonio_: I talked with nixternal about the docs issue - it seems the package was built without the translations AFAIK
[03:30] <Tonio_> ah.... very annoying indeed :)
[03:30] <mhb> Tonio_: so it's probably something different
[03:32] <gnomefreak> on feisty kde has 2 trash cans one on kicker and one on desktop is there a reason for this or a bug?
[03:33] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: shouldn't be there...
[03:34] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: locate trash.desktop
[03:34] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: I don't have that here so it is probably fixed already
[03:34] <gnomefreak> Tonio_: i just dragged and dropped it into trash in kicker
[03:58] <nixternal> feistly daily locks at Detecting network hardware > Starting PC card services
[03:58] <nixternal> s/feistly/feisty
[04:01] <gnomefreak> nixternal: the images arnt done yet they need things :)
[04:02] <nixternal> go figure ;)
[04:02] <nixternal> the kernel upgrades constantly kill my machines
[04:02] <gnomefreak> nixternal: a day or 2 more i would think
[04:02] <gnomefreak> nixternal: dbus is broke in feisty
[04:03] <gnomefreak> could be where your issue with kernels come in (maybe)
[04:03] <nixternal> im having them with very stock and common hardware. not the cheap stuff
[04:03] <nixternal> well, cheap now, not then ;)
[04:05] <gnomefreak> looks like today
[04:07] <Tonio_> is someone using wifi there ?
[04:07] <Riddell> where?
[04:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: the point is I can't test kwlan
[04:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: I wanted to know if it starts wpa_supplicant without asking for a driver now
[04:08] <Tonio_> but that requires network-manager to be stopped
[04:09] <Tonio_> it locally started wpa_supplicant without asking asking, but as my wifi card is not recognized I can't be sure that's the normal way to work :)
[04:17] <bddebian> Heya
[04:17] <Riddell> hola
[04:20] <gnomefreak> is there a way to get baghira to use stick
[04:22] <gnomefreak> it seems they call it shade but atleast its there
[04:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=32984
[04:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: looks like jre is still alive finally :)
[04:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm doing the package upgrade
[04:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: and if you have a second : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3673
[04:26] <Tonio_> should be okay this time :)
[04:27] <Tonio_> jabbin, fyi
[05:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61946 in kdebase "umount progress dialog missing in Edgy" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61946
[05:23] <RadiantFire> er, unmounting isn't an atomic operation?
[05:24] <Jucato> jdong: FC6 KDE LiveCD?
[05:24] <Tonio_> we have the same issue there, and that's a major one...
[05:24] <Tonio_> I should test another distro to compare since we patched this part, to be sure that's not sime(s patches
[05:38] <allee> Mhmm, 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1~dapper2 kde-stable update broke mounting of USB memsticks on dapper !?
[05:41] <mhb> was there someone who wanted to build a kdenlive package?
[05:41] <mhb> or am I mistaken again ? :o)
[05:43] <Riddell> mhb: what's that?
[05:44] <mhb> video editing GUI - http://kdenlive.sourceforge.net/index.php
[05:47] <Riddell> Tonio_ was talking about it
[05:48] <mhb> yeah, I thought somebody was
[05:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, but is based on a 2 years unmainted engine....
[05:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: That's why I stoped the packaging
[05:50] <Riddell> mm
[05:50] <claydoh> kdenlive stopped using the old engine (piave) and use something called mlt
[05:51] <claydoh> dunno how old that is\/me just installed 0.4 and will try it iut momentarily
[05:51] <Tonio_> claydoh: mlt is unmaintained too
[05:51] <claydoh> lol
[05:51] <Tonio_> http://sourceforge.net/projects/mlt
[05:52] <claydoh> I try it anyway, kino is ok but I do like a simpler intrerface
[05:52] <Tonio_> claydoh: try it, no pb :) but I don't see the point in uploading new packages with unmaintained stuff
[05:52] <claydoh> and dv capture as well is important to me
[05:53] <claydoh> oh, by no means am i suggesting that :)
[05:55] <claydoh> wonder why they swithed from a dead engine to another dead engine
[05:55] <claydoh> if LiVES had a better gui it would be my favorite editor
[06:54] <nixternal> ooh, i got a mention with the smb4k grave bug discovered ;)
[06:54] <nixternal> now i gotta repackage it ;(
[07:04] <Sime> sebas: xscreensaver stuff is checked in.
[07:21] <Riddell> Tonio_: advocated http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3673
[07:21] <Riddell> but see comments
[07:26] <mhb> Riddell: who's in charge of the systemsettings icon and description stuff?
[07:27] <mhb> Riddell: was/is there a UI expert who reviewed/reviews that?
[07:28] <Riddell> mhb: el and sime did the changes in edgy
[07:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, indeed concerning the copyrights :)
[07:28] <Tonio_> I just wanted to give a test ;)
[07:28] <mhb> Riddell: great, thanks
[07:31] <Riddell> 18:26 < mhb> Riddell: who's in charge of the systemsettings icon and description stuff?
[07:32] <el> mhb, which descriptions?
[07:32] <mhb> el: I was just looking at the systemsettings menu thinking whom I should contact some time in the future
[07:32] <el> heya Riddell :)
[07:32] <Riddell> guten tag el
[07:32] <el> :)
[07:33] <mhb> abend schon
[07:33] <el> mhb, what are you planning to do?
[07:33] <el> indeed, evening already ...
[07:36] <mhb> el: well I'll be developing a grub configuration tool for Kubuntu in the next few months. Most of the Python guidance tools (mountconfig, displayconfig) have their own icon in systemsettings, but I don't think that's wise for my tool
[07:36] <mhb> el: it's not important now, though ... I need to code first ... just wanted to know whom I should poke when I (well not just me) have something done
[07:37] <Riddell> mhb: if you add a new kcontrol module it /should/ get added to system settings automatically
[07:37] <Riddell> it often doesn't, which is a bug
[07:37] <el> mhb, ah - grub config tool seele is involved with?
[07:37] <mhb> el: that one
[07:39] <Riddell> mhb: but the text and categorisation is up to you, it's just in the .desktop file
[07:39] <Riddell> interestingly feisty seems to put them all in Lost+Found
[07:41] <el> mhb, i guess advanced system administration is the categorisation of choice
[07:41] <imbrandon> moins Riddell el and mhb
[07:42] <mhb> hi imbrandon
[07:42] <el> heya imbrandon
[07:45] <mhb> el: yes, sure enough ... my question is if it is wise/possible to integrate it with "Login manager" since it also handles pre-login options
[07:45] <Riddell> mm, wouldn't think so
[07:48] <mhb> my argument is that it's not wise to do a separate icon for every tool you have but it's still a bit empty (in edgy) so I guess you're right
[07:49] <el> mhb, hm, but grub and login are exactly the same thing.
[07:51] <mhb> el: yes, that's what I was thinking when I thought about using one icon for both
[07:52] <el> mhb, still you're right, we shouldn't add more and more top-level items without thinknig about the whole information architecture.
[07:52] <el> mhb, if we use one item, we need to find a really good descriptive category
[07:52] <el> mhb, people shouldn't be forced to use the search to find the items.
[07:54] <Riddell> freeflying: if you make changes to kubuntu-default-settings mind and add a debian/changelog entry too
[08:02] <Riddell> hi Hawkwind, how does one become a community leader of ulteo?
[08:03] <Hawkwind> Riddell: Gael gave me the position
[08:03] <Riddell> does ulteo have a community if it doesn't exist yet?
[08:04] <Hawkwind> Yes.  First release is tomorrow in fact
[08:04] <Hawkwind> Alpha release
[08:04] <Riddell> ooh
[08:04] <Riddell> and what's good in it?  did I see that it's using NX through a java client?
[08:05] <Hawkwind> It's using VNC at the moment, but will probably switch to NX
[08:05] <Riddell> right
[08:06] <Riddell> what installer does it use?
[08:06] <Hawkwind> It's based on Kubuntu Dapper currently
[08:07] <Hawkwind> So the same installer as *Ubuntu uses
[08:07] <Riddell> well we have two installers :)
[08:07] <Hawkwind> It uses the one from the alternate CD.  But the Live CD also has an installer in it too
[08:20] <Riddell> seaLne: could you send me an invoice for 2 t-shirts for Croatian Ubuntu LoCo team talk?  and I'll send you money for 4 t-shirts (those plus two sold at UDS)
[08:59] <seaLne> Riddell: k
[09:14] <ryanakca> Riddell: ping
[09:54] <allee> Sime: ping
[10:04] <Sime> allee: pong
[10:09] <raphink> oh
[10:09] <raphink> there's a ping pong international championship here
[10:09] <raphink> :)
[10:10] <allee> Sime: I'm trying to hunt down why usbsticks are no longer mounted in dapper with kde 3.5.5.  You know more?  downgrading hal and kdelibs did not help
[10:11] <Sime> allee: in *dapper*?
[10:11] <gnomefreak> nixternal: i just poped in to see if you found an upstream bug on the khtml issue if not ill file one (i think upstream is at bugs.kde.org) if you already found one or filed one let me know please.
[10:11] <allee> Sime: yes.  Reproduceable on tons of dapper system here :(
[10:12] <Lure> allee: is it possible that 3.5.5 for dapper includes media patches - I have seen a bug today that they are wrongly mounted if plugged before login
[10:13] <Lure> allee: bug 70217
[10:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70217 in kdebase "KubuntuKDEMedia changes: wrong desktop icons of removable devices plugged before login" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70217
[10:13] <Sime> Lure: it shouldn't, but it is worth checking.
[10:13] <Sime> allee: I don't know why. It could well be HAL related though.
[10:14] <Lure> allee: there were also some problems with hal package (it worked for people going dapper -> 3.5.4 -> 3.5.5 but not dapper -> 3.5.5)
[10:14] <Lure> or vice versa
[10:14] <allee> Sime: I tried my my demohost that had no update sind 24-Okt.  All was fine.  dist-upgrade (included kdelibs -> 3.5.5-0ubuntu1~dapper1 => dapper2 and hal 0.5.7-1ubuntu18.1 => 1ubuntu8.2) reboot and it no longer works.  Media actin dialog does noting silently.  Using media:/ mount  gives 'unknown error'.  pmounting still works fine
[10:15] <Lure> allee: check https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2006-December/011249.html
[10:15] <allee> Lure: no I'm was always logged in when I pluged the usbstick
[10:16] <allee> Lure: no I've downgraded hall to 8.1 no change. then kdelibs to dapper1 no change (always with reboot and login, then plug usbstick)
[10:17] <Lure> allee: sorry for you, I am getting out of ideas (and no dapper to tes) ;-)
[10:19] <allee> Lure: I've dapper but did run out of ideas too :(  ;)
[10:24] <jdong> bug 61946 exists in FC6 too
[10:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61946 in kdebase "umount progress dialog missing in Edgy" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61946
[10:24] <jdong> so yes, it does seem like it's upstream
[10:24] <jdong> and not Sime's fault :D
[10:24] <jdong> though it's not nearly as bad in FC6 as removable drives are mounted sync
[10:24] <allee> Lure, Sime: any ideas how to debug these errors:
[10:24] <allee> kded: ERROR: mount failed for /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_uuid_ec1b73ca_2ea1_42f1_a45f_540232b227ab: org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.UnknownError - An unknown error occured
[10:24] <allee> kded: ERROR: mounting /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_uuid_ec1b73ca_2ea1_42f1_a45f_540232b227ab returned An unknown error occured
[10:24] <ryanakca> heh, I just thought that it was supposed to be like that
[10:28] <Lure> allee: not really
[10:30] <allee> Lure: googling for the error msg pointed to some debug methods.  I'll try them
[10:32] <Lure> jdong: you are my hero (if you solve this one) ;-)
[10:32] <jdong> lol
[10:36] <jdong> the internets tubes at archive.ubuntu.com are a bit clogged
[10:36] <jdong> I'm pulling 40KBit from it
[10:36] <jdong> maybe I should use The Google to locate a mirror
[10:42] <jdong> MUAHAHA axel -n 30
[10:44] <jdong> there now that went a lot faster
[10:46] <jdong> Lure: I'm still gonna try to remove kcontrol/energy/energy.cpp:            DPMSSetTimeouts(dpy, 60*standby, 60*suspend, 60*off);
[10:46] <jdong> that just looks TOO suspicious not to be the culprit
[10:46] <allee> heh, looks like it's a missing hal-system-storage-mount script.  copied edgy -> dapper and mouting works again
[10:47] <fdoving> hmm..
[10:47] <Lure> allee: interesting...
[10:48] <fdoving> how does one make sure a .changes file is generated against a specific version? can one select that, or does it pick the previous version in the changelog?
[10:48] <allee> confusing.  searching for this file in packages.ubuntu.com shows no result.
[10:48] <allee> time to ping on #ubuntu-devel
[10:48] <Lure> allee: it is in hal package on edgy
[10:49] <allee> Lure: yes, and dapper pkg does not include it.  What konfused me is my it worked before ;)
[10:50] <Lure> allee: I suspect kubuntu.org hal package is the problem...
[10:50] <orkid> allee: konfused, lol
[10:50] <allee> orkid: isn't s/c/k/ a hard rule here?
[10:51] <orkid> allee: didn't know
[10:51] <jdong> allee: hey! I'm writing a KDE fuse frontend called konfuse :)
[10:51] <jdong> j/k
[10:56] <ryanakca> my X window/whole desktop just started flickering and green & red lines where dancing accross it
[10:57] <jdong> ryanakca: you must be using closed source drivers
[10:57] <jdong> because nothing else can be evil enough to do that
[10:59] <allee> Lure: nope, packages.u.c does not know this file for dapper and I've downloaded all hal pkgs apt-cache policy showed me.  Non of them have it. I'll try to find where this bloddy script is configured to be used ...
[11:00] <ryanakca> jdong: no... don't think so
[11:00] <jdong> ryanakca: did you check under your laptop for binary blobs?
[11:00] <jdong> lol
[11:00] <jdong> they sometimes hide under large spaces in your keyboard too
[11:00] <ryanakca> laptop? who said I had a laptop?
[11:01] <ryanakca> awww, jdong, you shouldn't have... *goes to get his christmas present from jdong on the from step*
[11:01] <ryanakca> wow... this looks like a powerful laptop, thanks :P
[11:01] <jdong> lol
[11:02] <jdong> I actually do have an extra T2600 at my house, unused
[11:02] <jdong> belongs to 'da government' though
[11:02] <ryanakca> american?
[11:02] <jdong> oui
[11:02] <ryanakca> nah, they don't need it :P
[11:03] <jdong> no they don't
[11:03] <jdong> but they do attach stiff penalties for it disappearing
[11:03] <jdong> since it's technically government property
[11:03] <jdong> with "classified information" :D
[11:03] <ryanakca> if they can spend (3 trillion?... sorry, didn't listen to geography teacher) on the military... they can afford a new laptop
[11:03] <ryanakca> oooh...
[11:03] <ryanakca> it all gpg encrypted?
[11:03] <jdong> AES-256
[11:04] <jdong> whole drive encryption
[11:04] <ryanakca> nice :)
[11:04] <jdong> with a 256K SHA1 hashed key
[11:04] <jdong> so even simple keys take a long time to brute force
[11:04] <ryanakca> I would encrypt my HD... but it's not worth it...
[11:04] <jdong> windows XP-ish though
[11:04] <jdong> :(
[11:05] <jdong> a highly weirded XP with their custom login stuff
[11:05] <ryanakca> nobody's going to break into my house and look at my computer
[11:05] <ryanakca> if it was a laptop, sure :)
[11:05] <jdong> heck I don't even encrypt my laptop completely
[11:05] <jdong> I have parts in a FUSE encrypted filesystem
[11:05] <jdong> like my SSH and GPG keys
[11:06] <ryanakca> yeah... I saw a linux magasine at chapters on sunday... main article was encrypting your filesystem... 6-7 pages long
[11:08] <jdong> I'm not that security paranoid
[11:08] <jdong> and do all you KDE guys put up with uic trying to open up network sockets in pbuilder?
[11:19] <ryanakca> hmm... what apps should I package for kubuntu?
[11:19] <raphink> you can look for nice apps on kde-apps.org
[11:19] <jdong> ryanakca: ktorrent 2.1
[11:19] <raphink> some useful ones that are well rated
[11:19] <Lure> ryanakca: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates/Kubuntu
[11:19] <jdong> ryanakca: that's highly useful for feisty
[11:19] <ryanakca> kk
[11:20] <jdong> yay
[11:20] <jdong> ryanakca: a lot of the patches from our current package don't apply
[11:20] <ryanakca> why, is it being a bad boy?
[11:20] <jdong> it's a new upstream release
[11:20] <jdong> with a significant amount of code changes
[11:20] <ryanakca> ah... I was wondering what all the big excitement of someone packaging it was
[11:21] <jdong> ryanakca: basically upstream has given up on 2.0.3
[11:21] <jdong> ryanakca: there's a number of bugs and performance shortcomings of 2.0.3 that are only being fixed in the 2.1 branch
[11:21] <ryanakca> kk
[11:22] <ryanakca> so, sort threw the upstream changelog, and remove the ubuntu patches that have been replaces by upstream?
[11:22] <ryanakca> jdong: fixed it by switching to vt1 and back
[11:22] <jdong> ryanakca: you can remove all our patches except the one that disables geoip.dat
[11:22] <jdong> (the dfsg patch)
[11:23] <jdong> ryanakca: and there's some patches directly in the diff.gz
[11:23] <jdong> ryanakca: making it ALL the more fun for you
[11:23] <ryanakca> ok, you lost me there
[11:24] <jdong> ryanakca: all of our patches are useless in 2.1, except the one for the 2.0.3+dfsg one that disables the non-free GeoIP database
[11:24] <ryanakca> ah, ok
[11:24] <jdong> ryanakca: and the debdiff from the 2.0.3's will not patch onto 2.1 sources, because some patches are directly in the debdiff
[11:24] <jdong> not in a patchsys
[11:24] <ryanakca> I got everything upto the patches in diff.gz
[11:24] <ryanakca> kk
[11:24] <jdong> just giving you a heads-up on that :)
[11:25] <jdong> lol
[11:25] <jdong> uupdate will have a field day
[11:25] <ryanakca> erm... I think you already packaged it?
[11:25] <ryanakca> Kubuntu: Dapper i386, Edgy i386 (Thanks to John Dong)
[11:25] <ryanakca> that's for KTorrent 2.1beta1
[11:26] <jdong> ryanakca: one sec I'll give you my debian-dir
[11:26] <jdong> ryanakca: it's only half-done
[11:26] <ryanakca> kk, ty
[11:27] <ryanakca> brb
[11:27] <jdong> ryanakca: http://buntudot.org/people/~jdong/ktorrent/beta1/debian-dir.tar.gz
[11:27] <jdong> that's debian/
[11:28] <jdong> ryanakca: I've basically stripped it clean of all our patches... you should add back the one that turns off GeoIP and it should be good
[11:28] <jdong> there was also some libktorrent.a file that debian/rules tries to remove. I stripped that too. I think that needs to be back in because of our anal packaging policy or something like that :D
[11:33] <ryanakca> lol
[11:33] <ryanakca> thanks :)
[11:33] <jdong> I love you ryanakca :)
[11:34] <jdong> only if a ktorrent 2.1beta1 package is in feisty :)
[11:34] <ryanakca> I love you too jdong... for now
[11:34] <ryanakca> that might change by the end of the night :P
[11:34] <jdong> lol
[11:34] <ryanakca> yeah... and a quick warning... you might want to lock your doors and windows... just in case :P
[11:34] <jdong> ryanakca: and please if at all possible try to keep it compiling on edgy and dapper :)
[11:34] <jdong> it currently does
[11:35] <ryanakca> yeah... I have pbuilder-dapper, pbuilder-edgy and pbuilder-feisty
[11:35] <jdong> ryanakca: oh yeah, make sure it doesn't build with unsermake still
[11:35] <jdong> LOL
[11:35] <ryanakca> unsermake?
[11:35] <jdong> *this would be a good kthxbye /part moment*
[11:35] <ryanakca> lol
[11:35] <jdong> ryanakca: my 2.1 package is derived from my 2.1svn packaging scripst
[11:36] <jdong> ryanakca: which use unsermake rather than make
[11:36] <jdong> because it's faster
[11:36] <ryanakca> ah
[11:36] <jdong> but unsermake IIRC is universe
[11:36] <ryanakca> and ktorrent is in main
[11:36] <jdong> whoa! unsermake is main
[11:36] <jdong> well anyway
[11:36] <jdong> ryanakca: IIRC I transitioned debian/rules back to make
[11:36] <jdong> ryanakca: but I did NOT remove it from debian/control build-depends
[11:36] <jdong> do that please :)
[11:37] <ryanakca> grrr... ktorrent.org is messed up
[11:37] <jdong> sup with it?
[11:37] <jdong> http://ktorrent.org/downloads/2.1beta1/ktorrent-2.1beta1.tar.gz
[11:37] <ryanakca> when you click on HOME from the SCREENSHOTS page, you get "The requested URL /index.php was not found on this server."... and you can't get to screenshots from any page other than the home page... on all the other pages, broken link
[11:37] <ryanakca> ty
[11:38] <jdong> lol
[11:38] <jdong> I'll let them know
[11:42] <kdefreak> now I can work on ktorrent and use irc without having to switch back and forth between X and vt1/2 :)
[11:46] <jdong> interesting :)
[12:06] <fdoving> nite.
[12:07] <gnomefreak> nite fdoving
[12:11] <jdong> let's see if that patch worked