[12:12] <tsmithe> where to?
[12:13] <Hobbsee> adelaide
[12:15] <Hobbsee> australia
[12:15] <VoX> you're coming to aus?
[12:15] <LaserJock> hehe
[12:15] <LaserJock> she lives in aus
[12:15] <VoX> who what
[12:16] <VoX> i thought hobbsee lived in europe for some reason
[12:16] <LaserJock> nah
[12:16] <Hobbsee> VoX: nope
[12:16] <VoX> ew
[12:16] <VoX> sydney=fail
[12:16] <Hobbsee> everybody else lives in europe...
[12:17] <LaserJock> that's not true
[12:17] <LaserJock> :-)
[12:18] <LaserJock> although they do seem to have a disproportionate amount of Linux devs
[12:19] <LaserJock> at least in Ubuntu and probably Fedora and OpenSuse too
[12:19] <rmjb> when I become a dev I'll turn that tide :-)
[12:20] <LaserJock> that's right, the West unites!
[12:21] <rmjb> so... anyone want to chat about using bzr to manage their debian directories when they're packaging?
[12:22] <Adri2000> hey LaserJock, you know inductor, capacitor and all of that? :)
[12:22] <rmjb> I tried it last night and debuild added the .bzr directory into my source package... was kinda hoping it sould skip hidden directories
[12:33] <LaserJock> rmjb: I think you can added some sort of ignore file
[12:34] <LaserJock> Adri2000: somewhat, I'm not much of an electrical engineer, but I get by
[12:35] <Adri2000> ok :) I'm doing that at the moment for school :p
[12:52] <bronson> rmjb: you need to pass -i when building.
[12:52] <bronson> It's fiddly and hard to get right, but it did work for me a year ago.
[12:56] <sladen> Seveas: Ubugtu needs fixing
[12:58] <rmjb> thanks bronson that seems to work
[12:59] <bronson> nice, congrats.  :)
[12:59] <ajmitch> afternoon
[01:00] <rmjb> evening ajmitch
[01:30] <LaserJock> !pbuilder
[01:30] <ubotu> pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[01:30] <LaserJock> bronson: ^^
[01:30] <jdong> can't you redirect too?
[01:30] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:30] <bronson> heh.
[01:30] <bronson> LaserJock: thanks.
[01:30] <LaserJock> !pbuilder > bronson 
[01:30] <LaserJock> there's a double batch ;-)
[01:31] <bronson> Now I have one of my very own.
[01:32] <jdong> while true; do !pbuilder > bronson; done
[01:32] <jdong> aww :(
[01:33] <bronson> chmod a-w /dev/mytty
[01:33] <bronson> Actually, wallall -n
[01:33] <bronson> That fires some dusty neurons...
[01:46] <fernando> hi all
[02:47] <rmjb> hey, isn't the fact that debuild bombs out when the use-agent option is in gpg.conf a bug?
[02:47] <rmjb> because dpkg-buildpackage works fine with the option there
[02:47] <rmjb> and debuild supposedly calls that right?
[02:49] <jdong> rmjb: yes 
[02:49] <jdong> rmjb: remember debuild is fully under fakeroot and dpkg-buildpakcage is not
[02:49] <jdong> the latter only fakeroots the build process
[02:49] <jdong> while with debuild, gpg is signing under fakeroot
[02:50] <jdong> and I've filed GPG bugs on this behavior too
[02:50] <jdong> it's resolved in the NEWEST gpg
[02:50] <jdong> which is not in Feisty
[02:50] <rmjb> can you link me to the bug?
[02:51] <jdong> rmjb: https://bugs.g10code.com/gnupg/issue655
[02:51] <rmjb> it's not in launchpad then...
[02:51] <jdong> "Fixed in 1.4.5 (svn 4211)."
[02:51] <jdong> rmjb: it's an upstream bug
[02:52] <jdong> rmjb: I first discovered in bzr
[02:52] <jdong> ooh, feisty's should fix it
[02:54] <rmjb> feisty's bzr should be good
[02:54] <rmjb> but the rest of stuff
[02:55] <jdong> the gnupg bug is fixed in feisty's gnupg
[02:55] <jdong> so at least passphrase fallback will work correctly
[02:55] <rmjb> oh cool
[02:55] <jdong> of course fakerooting the agent is a completely different story :D
[02:55] <rmjb> so why doesn't debuild launch the gui prompt for the passphrase now? i.e. why doesn't is use the agent?
[02:56] <rmjb> oh the fakeroot
[02:56] <jdong> fakeroot... my friend, fakeroot
[02:56] <rmjb> I see
[02:56] <rmjb> thanks for the info
[02:56] <jdong> np
[02:56] <rmjb> I gtg, Heroes!
[03:04] <joejaxx> is the server install cd the lamp server or the base server install?
[03:04] <jdong> joejaxx: I think it can do both?
[03:04] <joejaxx> i do not know
[03:04] <jdong> I've only used it for the LAMP install
[03:04] <joejaxx> it does not have the two different preseeds like the alt disc
[03:04] <jdong> but even the alternate cd lets a ubuntu-minimal install
[03:05] <jdong> oh
[03:05] <jdong> nvm then
[03:05] <joejaxx> it only says install to hard disc
[03:05] <jdong> then I guess that's the LAMP server
[03:05] <joejaxx> yeah which means i downloaded the wrong cd image
[03:06] <jdong> :(
[03:06] <joejaxx> bah i will just install it anyway
[03:06] <jdong> lol
[03:06] <jdong> then strip it down
[03:06] <joejaxx> lol
[03:07] <joejaxx> i knew something had to be wrong
[03:07] <jdong> I just use netinst :)
[03:07] <joejaxx> the fluxbuntu disc is smaller than the image i downloaded
[03:07] <jdong> a nice 4MB ISO does the trick
[03:07] <joejaxx> lol
[03:07] <joejaxx> jdong: haha :P
[03:07] <muzzol> i dont really get this licensing issue
[03:07] <joejaxx> yeah that is great for they business card size cdrs
[03:07] <joejaxx> muzzol: which part?
[03:07] <muzzol> licensing is supossed to go in _every_ file?
[03:08] <muzzol> this makes no sense
[03:08] <jdong> apparently for source files, yes :-/
[03:08] <joejaxx> well lets say i included divx source in my code
[03:08] <joejaxx> and it did not have a license in the header
[03:08] <muzzol> i understand the connotations
[03:08] <muzzol> dont need to explain
[03:08] <joejaxx> but everything else had pgl
[03:08] <joejaxx> oh ok
[03:09] <muzzol> but if this is correct
[03:09] <muzzol> then ubuntu is breaking it
[03:09] <muzzol> let me explain
[03:09] <muzzol> with some pastes
[03:09] <muzzol> apt-get source libavc1394-0
[03:09] <muzzol> cd /usr/src/libavc1394-0.5.3
[03:09] <muzzol> find . | wc -l
[03:09] <muzzol> 70
[03:10] <muzzol> grep -r -m 1 "GNU Lesser General Public" * | wc -l
[03:10] <muzzol> 13
[03:10] <muzzol> how do you explain that?
[03:10] <jdong> not all the files are source files?
[03:11] <jdong> and not all of them are GPL
[03:11] <jdong> LGPL*
[03:11] <jdong> lots of the config* scripts are GPL
[03:12] <muzzol> i've found some .h without licensing
[03:12] <muzzol> avc1394_internal.h for example
[03:14] <muzzol> the problem is i must send an email to the author of cinelerra and ask for licensing of certain files
[03:14] <muzzol> how can i find wich files are correct ones?
[03:14] <muzzol> must i perform a find just with .c and .h files?
[03:15] <jdong> mostly source files are the ones that you care about
[03:15] <jdong> header files don't really "deserve" to be licensed :)
[03:15] <jdong> due to their trivial nature
[03:15] <jdong> but if there's actual code snippets in the header files
[03:15] <jdong> that's a grey area
[03:16] <muzzol> that's annoying
[03:16] <jdong> which is not the case in any of the avc1394 headers
[03:16] <muzzol> i just want to make a package
[03:16] <jdong> if you want to make a package it's generally a good idea to be absolutely sure about the licensing of the source :)
[03:17] <crimsun> bah, screw sleep.
[03:18] <muzzol> jdong: i think this is not the problem
[03:18] <muzzol> cinelerra's coders release all their software under gpl
[03:18] <joejaxx> crimsun: noo! you want to sleep
[03:18] <jdong> crimsun: that's not healthy :)
[03:18] <engla> crimsun: want to review packages? why not do dragbox .)
[03:18] <joejaxx> crimsun: do not get like me :(
[03:18] <muzzol> but are so lazy that dont include license on every file
[03:19] <ajmitch> evening crimsun 
[03:19] <jdong> muzzol: don't quibble me about it. I don't make the packaging policies around here :)
[03:19] <crimsun> joejaxx: sickness? I'm far beyond that.
[03:19] <crimsun> ajmitch: evening
[03:19] <muzzol> im just winning to the air
[03:19] <muzzol> :)
[03:19] <ajmitch> crimsun: you spend 40+ hours a week on ubuntu, I take it?
[03:19] <joejaxx> crimsun: :(
[03:19] <crimsun> ajmitch: no idea, tbh
[03:19] <ajmitch> on top of the job, that is
[03:19] <crimsun> I think I can count the amount of time I -don't- spend on Ubuntu ;)
[03:20] <joejaxx> crimsun: no i have insomnia
[03:20] <ajmitch> crimsun: that's a very bad sign
[03:20] <crimsun> joejaxx: oh, haven't had that
[03:20] <joejaxx> crimsun: oh that is good :)
[03:20] <crimsun> ajmitch: very. fortunately I've almost perfected this neural 'net connection...
[03:21] <joejaxx> jdong: nice
[03:21] <joejaxx> jdong: it has a software selection :D
[03:21] <joejaxx> jdong: on the server disc
[03:21] <jdong> crimsun: but can you count the amount of time you don't spend on ubuntu AND debian AND open source development? ;-)
[03:22] <crimsun> jdong: yeah, 1 hour per week.
[03:22] <jdong> LOL
[03:22] <jdong> wait.... that sounds like me
[03:22] <crimsun> that's the amount of time I spent waiting for the laptop to (re)boot or shut down
[03:22] <joejaxx> ROFL!
[03:22] <crimsun> =)
[03:22] <ajmitch> when was the last time you slept?
[03:22] <jdong> yeah, and those periodic fscks too... man they cut out of my ubuntuforums time
[03:22] <crimsun> ajmitch: a couple hours ago
[03:23] <jdong> crimsun: he meant for more than 10 minutes?
[03:23] <joejaxx> lol
[03:23] <crimsun> I took a 3-hr nap
[03:23] <jdong> oh boy, is this a polyphasic sleep cycle thing?
[03:24] <Lathiat>  for a while when i was younger i was doing like 3-4 hours a night
[03:25] <Lathiat> after a few months i burnt myself out so bad i havent been able to comfortably sleep <8 for the past like 4 years
[03:25] <crimsun> that stuff catches up real fast
[03:26] <crimsun> fortunately I'm only really insane for short periods
[03:26] <joejaxx> lol
[03:26] <joejaxx> yeah i dislike when that happens
[03:26] <joejaxx> when you get to that point
[03:27] <joejaxx> you = I
[03:27] <joejaxx> in my statements
[03:28] <jdong> crimsun: that sounds unusually similar to Tesla's sleep behavior?
[03:30] <joejaxx> Good night muzzol 
[03:30] <LaserJock> I do 8-10 or I'm dead
[03:30] <ajmitch> I wonder if I uploaded samba last night
[03:31] <ajmitch> no .upload, so I mustn't have done so
[03:31] <ajmitch> & iptables to remerge again
[03:32] <ajmitch> haha
[03:32] <ajmitch> don't worry, i was playing freeciv for 2-3 hours last night when I could have been doing ubuntu work
[03:32] <ajmitch> & quake 4 :)
[03:32] <LaserJock> bah
[03:32] <crimsun> hehe, I'm actually kinda happy this hardware can't play modern 3D games
[03:32] <crimsun> I'd get nothing done otherwise
[03:33] <LaserJock> I just wondered what everybody was talking about with wesnoth so I thought I'd give it a whirl
[03:33] <ajmitch> I'm just glad I've never started playing WoW
[03:34] <LaserJock> heh
[03:34] <LaserJock> I read that as MoM
[03:34] <joejaxx> yeah you want to stay away from the WoWarCrack
[03:34] <crimsun> well if you read WoW upside down...
[03:35] <LaserJock> and I was thinking "yeah, merges to suck away a lot"
[03:35] <joejaxx> Masters of. ....
[03:35] <joejaxx> Masters of Merges?
[03:35] <LaserJock> Merge-o-Matic
[03:35] <joejaxx> oh
[03:35] <ajmitch> yeah, I don't think I've touched any of my universe merges yet
[03:35] <ajmitch> I've only done main
[03:36] <LaserJock> I did one Main
[03:36] <LaserJock> and my only one in Universe
[03:36] <LaserJock> whoopdeedo
[03:36] <ajmitch> heh
[03:36] <ajmitch> the largest one I've done is samba
[03:36] <crimsun> LaserJock: you've had Open Week, though
[03:36] <ajmitch> followed by updating f-spot to 0.3.0
[03:36] <LaserJock> yeah, I did end up with 3 sessions for Open Week
[03:36] <ajmitch> I'm impressed
[03:37] <ajmitch> jordan 'superstar' mantha
[03:37] <LaserJock> bah
[03:37] <crimsun> =)
[03:37] <ajmitch> what sessions did you do?
[03:37] <joejaxx> or if you flip it around
[03:37] <joejaxx> tha man jordan
[03:38] <LaserJock> I did 2 "Maintaining Packages in Ubuntu"
[03:38] <LaserJock> and 1 "Ubuntu Documentation Team"
[03:38] <joejaxx> tha man "superstar" jordan :)
[03:38] <ajmitch> good work
[03:38] <LaserJock> well, they really could have been better, especially the package maintanence ones
[03:39] <joejaxx> lol
[03:41] <jdong> GRR
[03:42] <jdong> any ways to sift through a mbox and remove e-mails from nonexistent domains received on 12/3/06?
[03:42] <jdong> I just got counter-spammed for activating someone's spam filter
[03:42] <jdong> actually, wait, there's an easier way
[03:42] <jdong> all the e-mails have subject "HeadOn" and content "Applied directly to the forehead"
[03:42] <jdong> I swear, it'd be a LOT less funny if it was sitting in YOUR inbox
[03:43] <joejaxx> jdong: you are a system admin?
[03:43] <crimsun> just substitute Sync or Merge for HeadOn, and you'll know how I sometimes felt ;)
[03:43] <jdong> joejaxx: no, that's my personal inbox :)
[03:44] <joejaxx> ah ok
[03:44] <jdong> pfft some people think they're so funny when they figure out how sendmail works
[03:46] <PriceChild> :)
[03:47] <jdong> PriceChild: that was my BONUS shipment of e-mails for bouncing his first set :)
[03:47] <PriceChild> hehe :)
[03:52] <LaserJock> crimsun: so Unconfirmed bugs for ubuntu-universe-sponsors are the ones up for grabs?
[03:53] <LaserJock> ajmitch: samba and f-spot are pretty significant
[03:56] <ajmitch> LaserJock: there's more important stuff I've got to work on
[03:56] <crimsun> LaserJock: I believe so
[03:57] <ajmitch> plus some new packages
[03:57] <ajmitch> bddebian: you're too busy hacking on the hurd
[03:58] <bddebian> Nope, not me :-)
[03:58] <joejaxx> :(
[03:58] <joejaxx> :)
[03:58] <bddebian> ajmitch: Aww, I didn't think you cared anymore :-)
[03:58] <joejaxx> where is the MoM site
[03:59] <crimsun> http://merges.ubuntu.com
[03:59] <ajmitch> bddebian: I don't
[04:00] <bddebian> Then WTF are you doing reading the lists? :-)
[04:00] <ajmitch> I don't read them
[04:00] <ajmitch> I just get the mail
[04:02] <bddebian> I'm just killing time until I can truly come home ;-)
[04:03] <ajmitch> yes, wasting time when you should be working on ubuntu
[04:03] <imbrandon> ?
[04:03] <ajmitch> hey imbrandon 
[04:03] <ajmitch> what's up?
[04:04] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch 
[04:04] <imbrandon> nadda
[04:04] <bddebian> ajmitch: I don't have the time to dedicate atm :-(
[04:04] <imbrandon> playing with my bday presents
[04:04] <ajmitch> bddebian: as if
[04:04] <bddebian> ??
[04:04] <ajmitch> imbrandon: yeah, we hate you too
[04:04] <imbrandon> ajmitch: well it will joy you to know i cant get it working ( yet ) in linux
[04:04] <imbrandon> heh
[04:04] <ajmitch> imbrandon: unlike my new monitor last night
[04:04] <imbrandon> you got a new view? nice
[04:05] <ajmitch> plug in DVI cable, fire up nvidia-settings & it reconfigured twinview nicely
[04:05] <bddebian> And ya'll don't need me anyhow :-)
[04:05] <imbrandon> i still have no idea how to get this card wortking
[04:05] <imbrandon> ajmitch: rocking
[04:05] <imbrandon> bddebian: yes we do
[04:05] <ajmitch> nice 3200x1200 desktop now :)
[04:05] <imbrandon> i hate you
[04:05] <imbrandon> lol
[04:05] <ajmitch> it was only a 20" lcd
[04:05] <ajmitch> to complement the 21" crt on the desk
[04:06] <imbrandon> ugh phone brb
[04:06] <imbrandon> i still need to find out how to make a ati "tv wonder 200" work in linux
[04:06] <ajmitch> hm, ATI
[04:06] <bddebian> imbrandon: Nah, you've got ajmitch :-)
[04:07] <ajmitch> bddebian: who does nothing but lurk on irc
[04:09] <imbrandon> heh thats all i've done the last week or so
[04:09] <bddebian> ajmitch: And I didn't do anything but upload .desktop files that I wasn't supposed too :-)
[04:09] <imbrandon> is lurk heh
[04:09] <joejaxx> http://www.ubuntu.com/employment#head-612502a6e6bd165c0cde3a5b1ca19ff84496c14f
[04:09] <ajmitch> joejaxx: yes?
[04:09] <imbrandon> joejaxx: ?
[04:09] <joejaxx> anyone think i whould have a chance at that
[04:09] <ajmitch> no
[04:09] <joejaxx> haha :)
[04:09] <joejaxx> i just wanted to see the response
[04:09] <joejaxx> </joke of the day>
[04:09] <imbrandon> not really
[04:10] <ajmitch> really, if you're not intimately familiar with OOo, you'd get lost
[04:10] <ajmitch> there's no way I'd want to touch it
[04:11] <joejaxx> i know
[04:11] <joejaxx> it was a joke
[04:11] <ajmitch> about the only one I'd remotely qualify for would be junior web engineer
[04:11] <imbrandon> yea ati tv card ( no monitor output )
[04:11] <LaserJock> "Junior Web Engineer" sounds more fun to me
[04:11] <ajmitch> ie launchpad flunky
[04:11] <LaserJock> heh
[04:12] <imbrandon> heh
[04:12] <ajmitch> I think I meet nearly everything on the required skills list
[04:12] <LaserJock> I'm a lab monkey as a day job
[04:12] <ajmitch> though I'm  not intimately familar with web app frameworks, zope is mainly for hobby stuff
[04:13] <ajmitch> (for what I've done)
[04:14] <imbrandon> man to tell you the honest truth i had more fun when i worked as a php code monkey at netsouthern
[04:14] <imbrandon> but this is a cool job too, justa  diffrent cool
[04:15] <joejaxx> yeah i am just a student and network system administrator
[04:15] <imbrandon> yea i like it and the pay better, but "more fun" isnt what i would call it
[04:15] <bddebian> I want the X maintainer job! :_)
[04:15] <ajmitch> bddebian: go for it
[04:15] <imbrandon> i got to tour all the developers offices today /me was jelous
[04:15] <bddebian> Yeah right, I'm a freakin' moron :-(
[04:16] <ajmitch> imbrandon: why jealous?
[04:16] <joejaxx> imbrandon: do you have your own office or are you in the NOC
[04:16] <imbrandon> they were in the hallway ( big hallway ) playing football
[04:16] <imbrandon> joejaxx: i have my own office ( not cubical ) /IN/ the NOC
[04:16] <joejaxx> imbrandon: :D
[04:16] <ajmitch> with lots of shiny toys
[04:16] <imbrandon> not yet, but soon ajmitch 
[04:16] <imbrandon> :)
[04:16] <joejaxx> ajmitch: probalby now
[04:17] <joejaxx> not*
[04:17] <joejaxx> everything whould be in the datacentre
[04:17] <joejaxx> lol
[04:17] <joejaxx> imbrandon: they are going to give you toys?
[04:17] <ajmitch> no, he's going to buy toys for all of us
[04:17] <imbrandon> joejaxx: not really we have 3 datacenters here in town ( and one in NY ) , two of them are the size of 3 football feilds each on the DC floor 
[04:18] <joejaxx> yeah
[04:18] <imbrandon> so lots of room
[04:18] <ajmitch> impressive size
[04:18] <imbrandon> ajmitch: yea they are fskin huge, the bigest DC i have ever seen
[04:18] <LaserJock> crimsun: so once you "ack" a sync do you subscribe ubuntu-archive?
[04:19] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yes
[04:19] <imbrandon> 1and1.com just leased DC space and bandwidth from us in the KC NOC
[04:19] <imbrandon> talk about big :)
[04:19] <ajmitch> LaserJock: can you look at dmraid, especially? if it's not already done
[04:19] <ajmitch> I promised rmjb I'd look, but haven't had time or had a working apt-get :)
[04:20] <imbrandon> ajmitch: you broke apt?
[04:20] <ajmitch> mvo did!
[04:20] <ajmitch> not me
[04:20] <imbrandon> heh
[04:20] <ajmitch> he has a patch for it
[04:20] <joejaxx> imbrandon: what company is that?
[04:20] <imbrandon> wow, funny looking typo
[04:20] <imbrandon> joejaxx: the one i work for? gsihosting.com
[04:20] <joejaxx> because there are only a couple which are on that calibur
[04:21] <joejaxx> oh ok
[04:21] <imbrandon> we host walmart.com , sprint.com , visa.com and a slew of others
[04:21] <imbrandon> along with a ton of co-lo stuff
[04:21] <joejaxx> nice
[04:21] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I'll do it now
[04:22] <joejaxx> i am actually looking at colo
[04:22] <joejaxx> for the fluxbuntu dedi's
[04:22] <joejaxx> but not in ny
[04:22] <imbrandon> most of the $$ is with the compliant CC hosting though, 60% of all visa cc transations go through our servers
[04:22] <imbrandon> etc
[04:23] <joejaxx> wow that is nice
[04:23] <imbrandon> joejaxx: i work in the KC NOC, the NY one is unmanned offsite backup stuff
[04:23] <imbrandon> the ones in KC are where the real action is
[04:24] <joejaxx> imbrandon: ohok
[04:24] <joejaxx> i need something local though
[04:24] <imbrandon> that was the main reason it took so long to get the job, they had to do a hella background check ( because of all the CC info even though its encrypted 15 ways from hell etc etc etc )
[04:24] <joejaxx> i am looking at NAC
[04:25] <joejaxx> yeah that is true
[04:25] <ajmitch> imbrandon: and they still let you work there?
[04:25] <imbrandon> leaste i can say with confidance i'm not an axe murderer :)
[04:25] <imbrandon> ajmitch: hehe
[04:25] <joejaxx> lol
[04:26] <imbrandon> ajmitch: not only work there i'm one of the few with total building access AND full root/admin access on every box
[04:26] <imbrandon> :)
[04:26] <ajmitch> imbrandon: impressive, for a new employee
[04:26] <imbrandon> yea, kinda scarry
[04:26] <imbrandon> but like i said hella bg check
[04:26] <imbrandon> so i think they are covered :)
[04:27] <imbrandon> the only box i dont have root on is the cray, but its not in production yet
[04:27] <ajmitch> heh
[04:27] <ajmitch> so we know where to build packages now
[04:27] <LaserJock> imbrandon: did they ask you about your Mt. Dew addiction
[04:27] <fernando> have any modification in usbserial module of the 6.06 to 6.10? I'm trying to use a kyocera kpc650 after a new ubuntu installation, but usbserial don't creating /dev/ttyUSB[01] , and if created by my hands, its don't work =( somebody have any information about this?
[04:27] <imbrandon> heh the sad part is the cray will be running TONS vmware machines when it gets put into production :(
[04:28] <joejaxx> imbrandon: nice
[04:28] <imbrandon> LaserJock: i have my own little fridge in my office area ;)
[04:28] <joejaxx> vmware infrastructure
[04:28] <joejaxx> probably
[04:28] <LaserJock> "Man bribed by semi load of Mt. Dew releases credit card information."
[04:28] <imbrandon> joejaxx: yea
[04:28] <imbrandon> LaserJock: hahahaha
[04:28] <bddebian> haha
[04:29] <imbrandon> heh i dont think i could unencrypt the cc info even if i wanted to, but i'm not even gonna try, thats fed time plus loss of a nice job and no luck at another :)
[04:29] <joejaxx> lol wow the ubuntu server install cd's installation fault interruptions on startup
[04:29] <joejaxx> and keeps rebooting
[04:30] <imbrandon> grrr i wish i could get this card working right, why arent tv cards supported ootb
[04:30] <imbrandon> google sucks in this case
[04:30] <imbrandon> i hate to stick this thing in a windows box
[04:31] <imbrandon> mmm speaking of, more mt dew time
[04:32] <imbrandon> i wonder if they will let me take pictures of the DC and blog about it
[04:33] <joejaxx> http://images.channeladvisor.com/Sell/SSProfiles/42000132/Images/2/DSC03392.JPG << :D
[04:33] <LaserJock> ajmitch: ok, ack'd dmraid
[04:35] <ajmitch> LaserJock: thanks
[04:36] <ajmitch> joejaxx: yes, some of us live in less-privileged countries & don't have access to such hardware :)
[04:37] <joejaxx> ajmitch: that is a cray-sgi
[04:37] <ajmitch> that's nice
[04:37] <joejaxx> i do not think most people in the usa have access to it either
[04:38] <imbrandon> yea a cray at home would be nice
[04:38] <joejaxx> yeah
[04:39] <imbrandon> they only start at arround what, 100k for the chasie
[04:39] <imbrandon> lol
[04:39] <joejaxx> lol
[04:39] <imbrandon> wow that pic is an old old old old old cray
[04:40] <joejaxx> imbrandon: yeap
[04:41] <joejaxx> 16GB of ram
[04:41] <joejaxx> are there places where you can buy older crays
[04:41] <joejaxx> other than the intenret
[04:41] <joejaxx> internet
[04:42] <imbrandon> the next question is why
[04:42] <ajmitch> because joejaxx has this thing for getting as much hardware as possible
[04:42] <imbrandon> i would rather an old sun machine than cray ( unless its purely for the geek factor )
[04:43] <joejaxx> well
[04:43] <joejaxx> the only things i really like are supercomputers, blade servers, servers and specialized mobile devices
[04:44] <joejaxx> oh and cisco hardware
[04:44] <joejaxx> that is it really
[04:44] <imbrandon> lol
[04:44] <joejaxx> oh and laptops
[04:44] <joejaxx> and then that is it
[04:44] <ajmitch> not much, really
[04:44] <imbrandon> hahaha
[04:45] <ajmitch> all PCs
[04:45] <imbrandon> you might as well add desktops in there, its the only thing your missing other than pic controlers
[04:45] <joejaxx> well i actually do not like desktops
[04:46] <LaserJock> heh, my wife decided she wants a PDA with wifi the other day
[04:46] <joejaxx> :)
[04:46] <imbrandon> desktops are a staple, you need to be able to connect eny of the things you just listed to a desktop in an unconventional way to be a true geeeeeeeek :P
[04:47] <LaserJock> bah, desktops are so 1990 ;-)
[04:47] <imbrandon> s/eny/any
[04:47] <imbrandon> LaserJock: hehehe
[04:47] <imbrandon> server dosent do much good without a desktop to consume the service it provides
[04:48] <imbrandon> :)
[04:48] <LaserJock> imbrandon: that's why laptops were invented
[04:48] <imbrandon> actualy i prepared some amarok uploads today at work , just never pushed them
[04:48] <LaserJock> the server is in the basement
[04:48] <LaserJock> the laptop is for the recliner
[04:48] <imbrandon> LaserJock: heh
[04:49] <joejaxx> imbrandon: not really i just have all them clustered
[04:49] <imbrandon> if i could ever get wireless faster than 802.11b and battery life longer than 3 hours, then i /might/ give up a desktop for a lappy :)
[04:50] <imbrandon> they day of widespread 12h lappy batterys will come and thats when laptops will be a true utility computer
[04:50] <imbrandon> untill then i might as well buy a shuttle pc and a lcd, i still have to lug arround just as much 
[04:50] <imbrandon> :)
[04:51] <joejaxx> imbrandon: they have 12 hour batteries
[04:51] <imbrandon> widespread, in almost all laptops
[04:51] <joejaxx> oh
[04:51] <joejaxx> ok
[04:51] <imbrandon> then there will be new uses that bwerent thought about ot put to use because of aptop limitations
[04:52] <LaserJock> I don't even use my battery
[04:52] <imbrandon> see
[04:52] <imbrandon> :)
[04:52] <LaserJock> I just sit in my recliner and have the laptop on a TV tray
[04:52] <imbrandon> hehe
[04:52] <LaserJock> or I sit in bed when the wife has gone to sleep
[04:52] <imbrandon> dont get me wrong i love my laptop, i'm just playing devils advocate and wishing :)
[04:53] <LaserJock> yeah, well in a day or 2 my new 160GB drive will arrive
[04:53] <imbrandon> they are great things, i just want so much more i guess
[04:53] <LaserJock> and then maybe I'll use my desktop more
[04:53] <imbrandon> :)
[04:53] <imbrandon> thats whats in my desktop is a 160
[04:53] <LaserJock> the other thing I'd like to get is a flat panel
[04:53] <imbrandon> yea
[04:53] <LaserJock> I have a 17" CRT
[04:54] <imbrandon> i have a 17crt and a 20crt
[04:54] <imbrandon> both suck
[04:54] <imbrandon> the fskin 20in crt is from like 1980 i think LOL
[04:54] <LaserJock> well, my "computer room" is also the "sewing and crafts" room and "college textbook storage" room
[04:54] <imbrandon> it weighs like 100lbs
[04:54] <LaserJock> so anything that takes up much space stinks
[04:54] <joejaxx> imbrandon: lol
[04:55] <LaserJock> imbrandon: my lab got rid of like 5 of those
[04:55] <imbrandon> LaserJock: heh
[04:55] <LaserJock> huge monsters
[04:55] <imbrandon> yea
[04:55] <imbrandon> takes the whole desktop
[04:55] <imbrandon> litterly
[04:55] <LaserJock> put then out in the hall for all the "joejaxx"'s in the department could scavange them
[04:56] <imbrandon> hehe
[04:56] <LaserJock> bah, I need to stop rewording my sentences half way through
[04:56] <imbrandon> http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/workzone.jpg   <-- 20 on the left 17 on the right
[04:56] <imbrandon> and my poor lappy
[04:56] <imbrandon> that was a few months ago
[04:56] <joejaxx> LaserJock: lol
[04:57] <ajmitch> with the new screen
[04:57] <imbrandon> nice
[04:57] <imbrandon> i really really really want a 30in apple display
[04:57] <imbrandon> maybe in feburary i'll try to buy one
[05:01] <imbrandon> ...
[05:02] <crimsun> kinda difficult to lug a 30in cinema display onto an airplane
[05:02] <imbrandon> hahah true
[05:02] <elkbuntu> all you cruel bastards talking about big screens and my crappy crt is dying and trying to make me go blind :(
[05:02] <imbrandon> heh you would be more than welcome to mine but i think shipping would be nuts
[05:03] <elkbuntu> yeah, i think so
[05:03] <imbrandon> i dont even turn that 17 inch on anymore because i need to pickup a better second vid vard OR a dual head card
[05:04] <elkbuntu> mum was going to see if one of the spare monitors at the school she's relieving at could accidentally fall into her boot or something, so i might be ok tonight
[05:04] <imbrandon> the one i had running it was a 1mb trident :)
[05:04] <joejaxx> so does anyone know? :)
[05:04] <crimsun> elkbuntu: you should try to get a canonical-sponsored machine
[05:04] <imbrandon> know what ?
[05:04] <Lathiat> imbrandon: hehe i have 4x19" LCDs goign atm and its _best_
[05:04] <imbrandon> yea elkbuntu 
[05:04] <imbrandon> Lathiat: i have 4x17in lcd's at work it is nice
[05:05] <imbrandon> but not at home :(
[05:05] <joejaxx> imbrandon: where to get old supercomputers
[05:05] <elkbuntu> heh
[05:05] <Lathiat> only problem is vino and gnome-screenshot dont seem to see past the first display
[05:05] <imbrandon> ohh no idea
[05:05] <crimsun> joejaxx: universities near gov't labs.
[05:05] <Lathiat> also i cant use composite on it
[05:05] <Lathiat> (nvidia has a bug atm, where xinerama+composite causes various programs including gnome-terminal to crash if its enabled, but not even in use)
[05:05] <joejaxx> crimsun: well my school is like that but they do not have a supercomputer likea cray
[05:05] <LaserJock> imbrandon: dude, I think I had that very same computer desk
[05:06] <imbrandon> LaserJock: hahah
[05:06] <joejaxx> crimsun: they have a custom built linux cluster
[05:06] <crimsun> joejaxx: just get a bunch of ps3s
[05:06] <ajmitch> Lathiat: can't say I've ever come across that bug
[05:06] <Lathiat> ajmitch: only when using xinerama nd not twinview
[05:06] <ajmitch> ah right
[05:06] <ajmitch> figures
[05:06] <Lathiat> with its xinerama info emulation
[05:06] <Lathiat> cant twinview accross 2cards+4 displays
[05:06] <ajmitch> I don't have a 2nd card I can put in my machine
[05:06] <joejaxx> crimsun: that is no fun :P i rather have an cray someone does not care about
[05:07] <ajmitch> since I didn't get the SLI motherboard with 2 x16 slots
[05:07] <Lathiat> i did, but only because it had 8 sata ports
[05:07] <joejaxx> crimsun: even though i could cluster ps3 quite nicely that is a thought
[05:07] <Lathiat> and since i had an sli mobo.. i was inclined to get cards to do SLI :P
[05:07] <ajmitch> might have been a good idea at the time
[05:07] <joejaxx> ps3s*
[05:07] <imbrandon> joejaxx: as expensive as crays are i doubt they sell them AND considering every single cray is custom built 
[05:07] <crimsun> joejaxx: I'd rather have a brick of the bluegene/l
[05:07] <Lathiat> funnything now is im only using 3 sata ports
[05:07] <ajmitch> maybe when I replace this box with something with a bit more power
[05:07] <Lathiat> cus i built a fileserver now with pci-x cards
[05:07] <joejaxx> crimsun: yeah that cluster is nice
[05:07] <joejaxx> really nice
[05:07] <ajmitch> like dual-cpu, 4 core per cpu
[05:08] <joejaxx> ibm's bluegene/l
[05:08] <ajmitch> in a year or two :)
[05:08] <Lathiat> ajmitch: fwoar
[05:08] <ajmitch> not now
[05:08] <Lathiat> theres someone here whos windows server i logged into yesterday
[05:08] <Lathiat> that has 2 dual core xeons
[05:08] <Lathiat> each core with 2 threads
[05:08] <ajmitch> nice
[05:08] <Lathiat> so it shows up as 8 cpus
[05:08] <imbrandon> nice
[05:08] <Lathiat> thats kinda speeshul
[05:08] <Lathiat> if only it wasnt running win2k3.. :)
[05:08] <ajmitch> best I've had was a T2000, running dapper
[05:08] <ajmitch> 8-core, 4 (real) threads per core
[05:08] <Lathiat> you ahd one of those?
[05:09] <ajmitch> I didn't have it, it was at uni owned by a company I was doing some work for
[05:09] <ajmitch> they had 4 of them
[05:09] <Lathiat> ah righ
[05:09] <Lathiat> t
[05:09] <Lathiat> nice
[05:09] <ajmitch> each with 16GB RAM
[05:09] <Lathiat> disk?
[05:09] <ajmitch> tiny
[05:09] <ajmitch> 2x73GB 2.5" SCSI
[05:10] <Lathiat> heh tiny yet expensive
[05:10] <Lathiat> SAS?
[05:10] <Lathiat> i want :(
[05:10] <ajmitch> not configured with that
[05:10] <imbrandon> hrm mnepton is on duty right now right ?
[05:10] <imbrandon> mnepton: ping
[05:12] <imbrandon> hrm, i was tasked today with comming up with the formal documentation to locka  stock ubuntu server down , so we can official transistion all the centos computers to ubuntu
[05:12] <joejaxx> imbrandon: you are right i will probably just end up expanding my own cluster
[05:12] <crimsun> LaserJock: when you're ACKing, please ensure the requests follow sync/merge policy. For instance, 74105 is missing the Debian component, and it's not clear whether you've ACKed the report or the fact that Ubuntu changes can be overwritten
[05:12] <imbrandon> i think thats a job to contract canonical support on :)
[05:13] <joejaxx> locking down ubuntu is not hard
[05:13] <ajmitch> imbrandon: depends on how much you want to pay
[05:14] <imbrandon> joejaxx: yea not hard, but this really has to be very well thought/planned/documented when it comes to credit card info and controled evniroments
[05:14] <joejaxx> imbrandon: yes that is true
[05:15] <imbrandon> ajmitch: its not my dime :)
[05:15] <imbrandon> i'm just the token ubuntu guy on staff
[05:15] <ajmitch> I know :)
[05:16] <imbrandon> but it would be nice to be rid of all the centos once and for all
[05:16] <ajmitch> but you'd have to be authorised to get some support contract, etc
[05:16] <imbrandon> ajmitch: definately
[05:16] <ajmitch> mr mnepton would know far better :)
[05:16] <ajmitch> he's probably on another shift
[05:16] <ajmitch> or you could possibly ask jbailey if he's around
[05:16] <imbrandon> ajmitch: exactly, thats why i was gonna pick his brain on whom to call etc tomarrow
[05:16] <imbrandon> yea
[05:17] <LaserJock> crimsun: ah yeah, my bad
[05:17] <imbrandon> atleaste so i'm a tad more informed when i goto the boss and say "look this si what we should do"
[05:17] <imbrandon> ajmitch: ^^ :)
[05:18] <ajmitch> yeah, I read it :)
[05:19] <imbrandon> the cool part is they were already planning and implmenting this all before i started, so the hard part of convincing them is done, the part thats left is doing it correctly
[05:20] <imbrandon> ( one reason i think i got the job but it hasent been put into words as much so i'm assuming )
[05:21] <ajmitch> nah, we understand
[05:23] <joejaxx> i need to start looking at the debian installer
[05:24] <joejaxx> ubuntu has no problem handling a Raid 1+0
[05:24] <joejaxx> right?
[05:25] <Lathiat> one thing is you cant actually setup raid10 from the installer as a 'raid10'
[05:25] <joejaxx> because i want to put the ubuntu-base-server on it
[05:25] <Lathiat> at least not last time i checked
[05:26] <Lathiat> you can create a raid1 then a raid0 tho
[05:26] <joejaxx> well actually
[05:26] <joejaxx> on the poweredge if it is like the proliants
[05:27] <joejaxx> you build the Raid before you install
[05:27] <joejaxx> i was just wondering if ubuntu whould not like that
[05:27] <Lathiat> ah right
[05:27] <Lathiat> depends on the type of raid controller
[05:28] <joejaxx> hold on let me see 
[05:29] <imbrandon> what poweredge ? thats mostly what we use at work , you shouldent have any issue
[05:29] <imbrandon> 29xx or 28xx
[05:29] <Lathiat> if its a PERC those are usually ok
[05:30] <joejaxx> imbrandon: yeah but i am just wondering if ubuntu is going to like the raid setup
[05:30] <joejaxx> 1+0
[05:30] <joejaxx> i have not done raid on ubuntu before
[05:30] <imbrandon> it dosent care what the raid setup is if its hardware AND you have the raid controler driver
[05:30] <joejaxx> i have with other linux oses
[05:30] <joejaxx> imbrandon: oh
[05:31] <joejaxx> hopefully they have a driver for it
[05:31] <imbrandon> as i said if you have a poweredge 28xx or 29xx you should be fine
[05:31] <joejaxx> otherwise i am putting ws2003 enterprise on it
[05:31] <joejaxx> imbrandon: oh ok
[05:32] <joejaxx> i probably really should be doing a raid 5 but bah
[05:34] <joejaxx> anyone know of any colo datacentres in nj?
[05:34] <joejaxx> i only know of nac
[05:35] <kkubasik> hey, anyone know how I can start a 3rd party repo?
[05:36] <LaserJock> get some web space and falcon
[05:36] <kkubasik> I wanna start my own so we can get some ubuntu users to test the new beagle before we release, but most of them really won't want to compile
[05:36] <kkubasik> falcon? ok
[05:36] <LaserJock> reprepo is also used often
[05:37] <imbrandon> http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/extras/
[05:38] <imbrandon> falcon is the second one down
[05:38] <imbrandon> i think i'm off to bed yall, gnight 
[05:38] <LaserJock> cya imbrandon 
[05:39] <LaserJock> glad to see you have some normal hours
[05:39] <imbrandon> hahaha yea ;)
[05:39] <imbrandon> for now, i work 12am to 12pm friday night 
[05:39] <imbrandon> hehe
[05:39] <imbrandon> friday midnight to sat noon
[05:39] <imbrandon> its my one long day a week
[05:55] <kkubasik> hmmm, I can't get falcon to recognize a release
[05:56] <kkubasik> Falcon repository builder 1.5.4 (C)2005-2006 Dennis Kaarsemaker <dennis@kaarsemaker.net>
[05:56] <kkubasik> D: Ignoring these directories: edgy-kkubasik
[05:56] <kkubasik> W: No releases were found
[05:58] <tepsipakki> kkubasik: you have a falcon.ini inside edgy-kkubasik?
[05:59] <kkubasik> yeah
[05:59] <kkubasik> its just a 
[05:59] <kkubasik> [falcon] 
[05:59] <kkubasik> version=6.10
[05:59] <kkubasik> oo wait
[05:59] <kkubasik> it's a .falcon.ini
[06:00] <tepsipakki> shouldn't it have a release= -line as well
[06:01] <Amaranth> crimsun: What info did you say I should get before/after hibernate to see if my sound problem are power management related? I think it was something in /proc
[06:02] <crimsun> Amaranth: /proc/asound/card0/codec*
[06:02] <Amaranth> ahah
[06:02] <Amaranth> alright, rebooting to start testing
[06:10] <Amaranth> crimsun: There are definitely some differences, mostly Amp-Out values. File a bug and attach these logs?
[06:11] <crimsun> please.
[06:11] <crimsun> (and please ensure you're using the latest bios for your model)
[06:12] <Amaranth> crimsun: I can't use the latest BIOS, it breaks speedstep
[06:12] <Amaranth> I can't seem to find the package to file a bug against, alsadriver?
[06:15] <crimsun> edgy? dapper? feisty?
[06:15] <Amaranth> feisty
[06:15] <crimsun> linux-source-2.6.19 for now.
[06:15] <Amaranth> alright
[06:18] <ademan> anyone here part of the motu mailing list? (can you confirm to me that my message got sent correctly?)
[06:18] <crimsun> yes, it was.
[06:19] <crimsun> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-December/001000.html
[06:19] <Amaranth> crimsun: bug 74472
[06:19] <Ubug2> Malone bug 74472 in linux-source-2.6.19 "[ALSA]  quiet sound until after hibernate" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74472
[06:20] <Amaranth> let me know if you need any other data
[06:20] <crimsun> Amaranth: ok
[06:44] <ademan> crimsun: any suggestions to maybe get some attention for it?  Like should i provide more info? or just play the waiting game? I don't know the typical response time for this type of thing
[06:49] <crimsun> ademan: it's best effort, so I can't give you an ETA either
[06:49] <crimsun> I'm a bit swamped myself currently
[06:58] <ademan> crimsun: well i really appreciate all the help you've given me so far, unfortunately I feel as though i'm in over my head, even if this wasn't my very first package i'd be in trouble
[07:03] <Laser_away> ademan: don't feel bad. It takes time and patience
[07:05] <ademan> Laser_away: yeah i'm more frustrated than anything, because i've been in flux between IDEs since i switched to Ubuntu, from anjuta to eclipse to KDevelop to GEdit then back to anjuta and finally settling on eclipse, then i upgrade to edgy and eclipse's cdt which i depend on doesnt work.  And i'm incapable of getting the job done myself, well, i assume so, since its been a week with no breakthroughs.  I dunno i'm just frustra
[07:05] <ademan> ted, but I wanna do this myself so that I can contribute to the community
[08:18] <superm1> hey who is in charge of getting IRC bots into channels?
[08:18] <superm1> like the log bot
[08:18] <ademan> whee, i think i've found the answer to the eclipse-cdt problem, well at least part of it
[08:45] <mnepton> superm1: fabbione runs the log bot
[08:45] <superm1> ah thanks :)
[09:45] <Riddell> sivang: any plans for xine 1.1.3?
[10:10] <\sh> moins
[10:12] <dholbach> good morning
[10:22] <Sp4rKy> hi there
[10:23] <Q-FUNK> #ubuntu-huggies
[10:24] <elkbuntu> Q-FUNK, if i got there, there'd darn well better be people there to hug me :
[10:24] <Q-FUNK> :)
[10:57] <elkbuntu> O.o
[10:58] <mnepton> *muah*
[10:58] <elkbuntu> you worry me
[10:58] <ajmitch> evening/morning mnepton 
[10:58] <mnepton> hey mitchtopolis
[10:59] <mnepton> enlighten the populace.
[11:46] <Sp4rKy> can i get REVU source code for personnal use ?
[11:53] <Fujitsu> Sp4rKy: Sure; look at the `revu' product on Launchpad. You'll see the bzr branches of the code there.
[12:00] <Sp4rKy> Fujitsu: i should guess it wis on lp :p
[12:00] <Sp4rKy> thx :)
[12:04] <Sp4rKy> and how can i use bzr ?
[12:07] <Sp4rKy> found :)
[02:53] <freeflying_> any MOTUs would like review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3671
[02:53] <zul> hi
[02:56] <Gloubiboulga> freeflying_: the version should be 1.0-0ubuntu1, and the distro target feisty
[02:57] <Gloubiboulga> freeflying_: is this a package for ubuntu, or for debian?
[02:58] <freeflying_> Gloubiboulga: for debian 
[02:58] <Gloubiboulga> ok, so the version and distro are ok ;)
[02:59] <xerxas_> is there any motu here ? 
[02:59] <xerxas_> where should I put my learning effort right now ? 
[03:00] <xerxas_> in syncs / merges ? 
[03:00] <xerxas_> I'm having hard time to try to contribute to ubuntu since the begining I want to help ... 
[03:00] <Gloubiboulga> freeflying_: looks ok to me, but I'm not a KDE expert, and I have not tried to build it - I trust you about this ;)
[03:02] <freeflying_> Gloubiboulga: thanks
[03:03] <Gloubiboulga> xerxas_: merges are welcome :)
[03:04] <xerxas_> Gloubiboulga,  where should I learn how to do merges / syncs ? 
[03:04] <Gloubiboulga> hum, I think that we have a wiki page about this
[03:04] <Gloubiboulga> xerxas_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Merging
[03:04] <xerxas_> I have read this 
[03:05] <Gloubiboulga> ok
[03:05] <xerxas_> I think I don't understand this page: http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html
[03:05] <xerxas_> what is it ? 
[03:05] <xerxas_> what are those colors , red, light green, green ? 
[03:05] <Gloubiboulga> it's the list of the packages that need to be merged
[03:05] <xerxas_> what are those summaries: 297 outstanding merges
[03:05] <xerxas_>  ; 30 updated merges
[03:06] <xerxas_> Gloubiboulga, is it always up-to-date ? 
[03:06] <Gloubiboulga> xerxas_: it's updated once per day IIRC
[03:06] <xerxas_> package that needs merge or sync , right ? 
[03:06] <Gloubiboulga> xerxas_: yes
[03:06] <xerxas_> Gloubiboulga, what are these colors ? 
[03:07] <Gloubiboulga> xerxas_: I don't really know actually
[03:08] <Gloubiboulga> I know that the first part deals with the packages that haven't been merged for feisty yet
[03:08] <xerxas_> "Outstanding Merges" ? 
[03:08] <Gloubiboulga> yep
[03:09] <Gloubiboulga> the updated merges are packages which have already been merged, but need to be merged again (new version in debian)
[03:09] <Gloubiboulga> xerxas_: you should grab a package and try to merge it
[03:09] <Gloubiboulga> it's the best way to start IMO
[03:09] <xerxas_> I tried 
[03:09] <xerxas_> but done a lot of wrong steps 
[03:09] <xerxas_> need to go ! 
[04:00] <sivang> Riddell: hi 
[04:00] <sivang> Riddell: you pinged me about xine?
[04:01] <Riddell> sivang: yep, just wondering if 1.1.3 should/would be packaged?
[04:02] <sivang> Riddell: I reckon we should ask siretart , he's the one doing the xine merges AFAIK
[04:02] <Riddell> siretart: ping ping
[04:02] <siretart> Riddell: hi
[04:03] <Riddell> siretart: any plans for 1.1.3?
[04:03] <siretart> Riddell: I have plans with xine, which includes packaging xine 1.1.3 for both debian experimental and ubuntu feisty
[04:03] <Riddell> ooh, good answer
[04:03] <sivang> ;)
[04:03] <siretart> Riddell: I have to finish my thesis, so don't expect any work on that from me before monday
[04:03] <Riddell> oh no rush
[04:03] <Riddell> just didn't want to dropped/duplicated
[04:04] <siretart> Riddell: If you want to help me, please make anyone prepare an inclusion request for main for ffmpeg
[04:04] <siretart> Riddell: I really want to get rid of this package split. it is really brain dead
[04:04] <shawarma> sivang: Hmm... "pinged"? I always thought "ping" in the past tense would be "pang"..
[04:04] <siretart> Riddell: there is upstream work ongoing, but it is not in xine 1.1.3. perhaps 1.1.4 or even 1.2
[04:04] <Riddell> hmm, I don't think the archive admins will be too happy with that
[04:05] <siretart> Riddell: I plan to package the xine ffmpeg plugin in an extra package
[04:05] <siretart> Riddell: so that it won't be necessarily on cd
[04:05] <siretart> Riddell: ffmpeg used to be in main, for hoary, you know? 
[04:06] <siretart> Riddell: mp3 output can be done with the ffmpeg plugin in 1.1.3, so there is no need for libmad anymore
[04:06] <siretart> Riddell: not sure about the faad thing. this needs research
[04:06] <siretart> so all in all, I could really need some help with getting ffmpeg into main
[04:07] <siretart> it is LGPL/GPL, after all. the problematic parts (like mp3 encoding) has already been deactivated
[04:07] <siretart> the rest is really unproblematic
[04:17] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:17] <tenshu> how long does it take to revu when you reupload a package with changes?
[04:18] <zul> it varies
[04:19] <tenshu> ok i can tell it know ~ 5 minutes
[04:19] <tenshu> :p
[04:20] <freeflying_> svn-buildpackage broken 
[04:29] <shawarma> It's still customary to give some sort of presentation of yourself at the TB meeting when you apply to be a MOTU, right?
[04:34] <Tonio_> anyone fancy revuing this : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3673
[04:35] <Tonio_> thanks :)
[04:58] <Sp4rKy> hi
[05:04] <tenshu> hi i have some problems with a package in revu, it's a bit complicated
[05:04] <Sp4rKy> ^^
[05:05] <tenshu> the upstream author is unreachable and the guy who hold the source have a 404 website
[05:05] <tenshu> should i start maintaining the sources myself?
[05:10] <shawarma> tenshu: What is it?
[05:12] <Adri2000> ping crimsun Fujitsu 
[05:17] <malex> I'm looking for pbuilder scripts for Edgy, Dapper, and Breezy. Anyone can help?
[05:18] <\sh> pbuilder scripts?
[05:19] <\sh> look her: /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/examples/pbuilder-distribution.sh and adjust it to your needs :)
[05:19] <malex> \sh: Yes, a script to bootstrap a pbuilder installation for these releases.
[05:20] <tenshu> you mean wish package shawarma?
[05:20] <shawarma> malex: Which distro are you running now?
[05:20] <malex> \sh: That's all there is to it? Sweet.
[05:20] <shawarma> tenshu: Well, yes.
[05:20] <\sh> malex: or just wait until I finished my blogentry for this topic :)
[05:20] <\sh> malex: improved scripts :) even for i386 on amd64 pbuilder
[05:21] <tenshu> ciso , but i actually in contact with the actual maintainer and his website is down due to quota overload
[05:21] <tenshu> so i think it solves my problem
[05:21] <malex> \sh: I'm maintaining an upstream repository for these 3 releases for a specific program. However, my chroots have become pretty cluttered and the users report dependency inconsistencies. So, I've decided to switch to pbuilder to make sure I get the deps right on every build. I'd really appreciate improved scripts if such exist.
[05:23] <malex> shawarma: As I told "\sh" I currently have several chroots that are not working very well anymore for my local builds, so I'm trying to switch to multiple pbuilder chroots.
[05:24] <shawarma> malex: Mm... And how does that answer my question? :-)
[05:28] <malex> shawarma: I'm not running Ubuntu. I have several Ubuntu chroots, so I could build packages for an upstream repository as a favor.
[05:28] <shawarma> malex: Which distro are you running now?
[05:28] <malex> shawarma: And to give you the most specific answer - I'm running Debian/Sid :)
[05:29] <shawarma> malex: Good. 
[05:30] <shawarma> malex: Fetch the debootstrap package from Edgy. It should install cleanly on Debian.
[05:30] <shawarma> malex: Before then, /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/examples/pbuilder-distribution.sh will be useless.
[05:30] <\sh> malex: check the newest article on http://linux.blogweb.de/
[05:32] <shawarma> malex: Also, before \sh's script will work, you need the debootstrap package from edgy.
[05:33] <malex> shawarma: debootstrap_0.3.3.0ubuntu8~edgy1_all.deb from http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/d/debootstrap/ ?
[05:34] <\sh> well...better to use feisties ;)
[05:34] <Adri2000> dholbach: can I make the debdiff to fix bug 66354 (I'll attach it to the bug) ?
[05:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66354 in gnome-phone-manager "No icons in menu for gnome-phone-manager" [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66354
[05:34] <dholbach> Adri2000: if you like, sure
[05:34] <Adri2000> ok
[05:34] <malex> \sh: debootstrap_0.3.3.1ubuntu1_all.deb 
[05:34] <shawarma> malex: Yes, orr the one from feisty as \sh says.
[05:35] <Adri2000> dholbach: bump Standards-Version to 3.7.2 also?
[05:35] <Adri2000> lintian is complaining
[05:36] <dholbach> no, leave it out, that just requires more merging
[05:37] <dholbach> lintian is just whining in that case - that's not terribly important
[05:37] <\sh> mc
[05:37] <\sh> argl
[05:37] <Adri2000> dholbach: ok
[05:42] <shawarma> I've applied to become a MOTU, so if anyone has anything to say in that matter, there's a TB meeting tonight where you can voice your opinion on the matter.
[05:46] <phanatic> go shawarma :)
[05:56] <malex> shawarma: This is great. The debootstrap from feisty has scripts for all distros I need.
[05:57] <shawarma> malex: Exactly.
[05:57] <shawarma> malex: It saves you a *lot* of non-trivial work.
[06:03] <proppy> anyone is up for a REVU ?
[06:03] <proppy> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3601
[06:03] <malex> \sh: Thanks for the blog entry. I used your script to modify the one I'll use.
[06:05] <\sh> malex: actually it can create i386 pbuilder chroots on amd64 easily .. and can help you a lot..
[06:09] <shawarma> \sh: What's that linux32 command you've got in your script?
[06:11] <\sh> shawarma: it's for amd64 to build 32bit packages..it tells the application to run as i386 app
[06:11] <\sh> without it it's not possible to build i386 packages on amd64
[06:12] <shawarma> \sh: I do it all the time..
[06:12] <joejaxx> shawarma: hello :)
[06:12] <shawarma> Hi, joejaxx.
[06:12] <\sh> shawarma: as normal chroot/dchroot yes, but with pbuilder?
[06:12] <shawarma> \sh: Sure.
[06:13] <\sh> shawarma: on amd64?
[06:13] <shawarma> \sh: Why should pbuilder be any different than any other command?
[06:13] <shawarma> \sh: Yes.
[06:13] <\sh> I never succeeded without linux32
[06:13] <shawarma> \sh: Which package is it in?
[06:13] <\sh> apt-get install linux32
[06:13] <\sh> linux32 - wrapper to set the execution domain
[06:14] <shawarma> \sh: I've never had any problems building i386 packages on my amd64 servers.
[06:14] <shawarma> \sh: ...and I use them on my laptop, so they are built correctly.
[06:14] <malex> \sh: I'm running i386, but since I need to build for sid/etch/sarge/eft/dapper/breezy, I borrowed ideas from your script.
[06:14] <\sh> shawarma: it's also mentioned on pbuilders doc page
[06:15] <Adri2000> please, can someone try to build gnome-phone-manager (apt-get source it) in a feisty pbuilder?
[06:15] <Adri2000> strange, because I get the same error in an edgy pbuiler, although it didn't fail on the buildds
[06:15] <shawarma> \sh: Hmm... Interesting. What fails if you don't use it?
[06:16] <shawarma> Adri2000: Which error is that?
[06:16] <Adri2000> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ldbus-glib-1
[06:16] <Adri2000> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[06:16] <Adri2000> make[3] : *** [gnome-phone-manager]  Error 1
[06:16] <\sh> shawarma: it fetches amd64 packages and no i386 packages
[06:16] <shawarma> \sh: That only depends on the dpkg package installed in the pbuilder.
[06:16] <geser> Adri2000: libgnomeui needs a rebuild against the new libbonobui
[06:16] <shawarma> \sh: The architecture is compiled into that.
[06:17] <geser> seb128 will request a rebuild once the archive is unfrozen
[06:17] <shawarma> \sh: ..so it shouldn't matter after creating the base.tgz..
[06:17] <Adri2000> geser: ahh ok, thanks for the info :)
[06:17] <\sh> shawarma: as I said, I never succeeded on opterons :(
[06:17] <geser> I also wait for it to get a FTBFS resolved
[06:18] <proppy> crimsun: hi, once you've filled the bug for pypoker-eval sync, when we can expect the sync to occur ? 
[06:18] <shawarma> \sh: Even with the --arch option on?
[06:19] <shawarma> \sh: I pass this (among other things) to pbuilder: --debootstrapopts --arch --debootstrapopts $arch
[06:19] <\sh> shawarma: nope: i just used the --deboostrapopts --arch --debootstrapopts i386 on the creation and not during building
[06:19] <shawarma> \sh: And at that point it should not matter anymore.
[06:19] <shawarma> \sh: Hmm... Well, I suppose if some package does some build time arch detection..
[06:20] <\sh> shawarma: I needed it just for wine, to build on amd64 some 32bit packages
[06:22] <shawarma> \sh: I see. Well, maybe I should add that to my script. I can imagine cases where it would cause problems, I have just yet to actually experience it.
[06:22] <Adri2000> geser: Mithrandir said in -devel "manual publisher run going now", it means that the archive is unfrozen, no?
[06:26] <\sh> Adri2000: nope
[06:26] <\sh> Adri2000: it's in manual mode ;)
[06:27] <Adri2000> so what mode was it before?
[06:27] <\sh> as well in manual mode since freeze
[06:27] <Adri2000> ok
[06:29] <\sh> how do we resolve orig.tar.gz diffs between ubuntu and debian?
[06:29] <\sh> these days I forgot ;)
[06:30] <fdoving> proppy: i think unittest++ looks good. (i'm not a motu, can't comment on revu).
[06:32] <shawarma> \sh: orig.tar.gz diffs? Which package?
[06:32] <proppy> fdoving: thx :)
[06:32] <fdoving> proppy: the current standards-version is 3.7.2 (iirc).. you've got 3.6.2.1.. only thing i can find.
[06:32] <shawarma> fdoving: 3.7.2.1, actually.
[06:32] <fdoving> shawarma: ok. thanks.
[06:33] <proppy> fdoving: i heard there is a problem to build a source package on 'sarge' if i use > standards-version
[06:33] <fdoving> proppy: ah.. good point.
[06:33] <shawarma> fdoving: It's the version of the debian policy that you claim your package adheres to. Hence, you can find the standards-version here: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/
[06:34] <shawarma> fdoving: Ah... And it's actually 3.7.2.2 now. :-)
[06:34] <shawarma> fdoving: ..as of 2006-10-2.
[06:35] <fdoving> shawarma: are there .diffs ? :)
[06:35] <proppy> fdoving: will try on a sarge chroot to verify my assertion
[06:35] <shawarma> fdoving: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/d/debian-policy/debian-policy_3.7.2.2/changelog
[06:36] <fdoving> shawarma: makes sense.. thanks again.
[06:36] <shawarma> fdoving: Any time.
[06:37] <\sh> shawarma: xfmedia e.g.
[06:37] <\sh> but I know how to solve it ;)
[06:38] <shawarma> \sh: How? And why are the diffs in the first place?
[06:38] <fdoving> \sh: how do you solve it? i'd use whatever upstream provides without repacking.
[06:39] <\sh> shawarma: typical: package_version-0ubuntu1 ;)
[06:39] <shawarma> \sh: orig.tar.gz should be the same nonetheless?
[06:39] <\sh> shawarma: nope...It won't e.g. of file date changes etc. 
[06:40] <shawarma> \sh: How would that happen? It should be the tarball released by upstream.
[06:40] <fdoving> shawarma: there are exceptions.. as an example, we sometimes package new kde releases before debian does, and the debian guys does not always use our orig.tar.gz
[06:41] <shawarma> fdoving: Where does your orig.tar.gz come from?
[06:41] <fdoving> shawarma: upstream.
[06:41] <shawarma> fdoving: Where does Debian orig.tar.gz come from?
[06:42] <fdoving> shawarma: upstream.
[06:42] <\sh> shawarma: e.g. our orig.tar.gz (xfmedia) has a size of 1025707 and debians 1025229
[06:42] <shawarma> fdoving: ...then why do they differ?
[06:42] <\sh> shawarma: e.g. repackging tar.bz2 to tar.gz 
[06:42] <fdoving> shawarma: because we don't use the .tar.gz origs supplied by upstream. We do fetch from svn.
[06:43] <\sh> at a different time
[06:43] <fdoving> \sh: that can be done without untaring.
[06:43] <\sh> fdoving: yes, but it's one of the cases sometimes
[06:43] <fdoving> that's why everyone should use watch files.
[06:43] <fdoving> ..always.
[06:44] <fdoving> and have a get-origtargz target in debian/rules
[06:44] <shawarma> fdoving: Well, if it's from SVN it should have another upstream version anyway.
[06:44] <shawarma> fdoving: Or am I missing something obvious here?
[06:44] <fdoving> shawarma: i'll find an example... had one laying around.
[06:45] <\sh> but xfmedia is really strange
[06:46] <fdoving> shawarma: you're not missing anything obvious.. if everyone understood we need to build the debian/ dir to work with whatever upstream release, it wouldn't be a problem. once someone doesn't we'll get a big mess.
[06:46] <\sh> ah now I get it...fck
[06:46] <\sh> who did that
[06:47] <\sh> who removed the changelog for 0.9.1-0ubutnu1 ?
[06:47] <\sh> oh fck...changing packages without taking care of debian/changelog
[06:50] <fdoving> shawarma: an example: http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/source/kdegraphics and http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/kdegraphics
[06:50] <fdoving> shawarma: size matches, md5 doesn't. it's not nice.
[06:53] <\sh> crimsun: could it be that you removed someones changelog entry to 0.9.1-0ubuntu1 ?
[06:54] <\sh> crimsun: xfmedia that is ;)
[06:56] <shawarma> fdoving: No, it's definitely not nice.
[07:00] <LaserJock> \sh!
[07:00] <tenshu> hi again =)
[07:00] <\sh> hey LaserJock
[07:01] <LaserJock> I haven't seen you for a while
[07:01] <\sh> LaserJock: I'm very busy :) but always alive ;)
[07:01] <LaserJock> good to hear :-)
[07:02] <\sh> pushing ubuntu to the enterprise user ;)
[07:02] <LaserJock> yes, very cool
[07:06] <\sh> LaserJock: and now I'm misusing one fat server of us here, and compile some packages ;)
[07:09] <LaserJock> \sh: hehe, it's for a good cause
[07:09] <jdong> aww, imagine that, the newest wine breaks our proprietary compiler chain, just as I was about to roll it out....
 good thing I am a super conservative updater and always test all of this stuff beforehands </sarcasm>
[07:11] <nixternal> crimsun: ping? concerning smb4k
[07:15] <nixternal> can someone look at smb4k 0.7.5 and see if it is ok to ask for a sync from debian? i am test building, and it should work, there are no ubuntu changes that i can see anymore
[07:16] <nixternal> http://merges.ubuntu.com/s/smb4k/REPORT  <- if a sync is possible, i believe it will fix this issue (im a pkg newb, so please be gentle)
[07:17] <proppy> dholbach: thx for the revu :)
[07:23] <fdoving> nixternal: looks like a sync would be nice.
[07:23] <nixternal> thanks fdoving, i will set that up now
[07:25] <fdoving> nixternal: you can have a look at bug 72540 as an example request.
[07:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72540 in schedutils "[Feisty MoM]  Please sync schedutils from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/72540
[07:25] <nixternal> rocking!
[07:27] <dholbach> proppy: anytime - if you need more, please drop me a mail
[07:28] <proppy> dholbach: ok, got questions regarding the fix needed, do you got time for a few ?
[07:28] <dholbach> fire away
[07:29] <proppy> g+= depend is >= 3.3
[07:29] <proppy> g++
[07:29] <dholbach> alrighty
[07:29] <proppy> so its fine with g++ >= 3.3 ?
[07:29] <dholbach> well, we have that since hoary or even warty
[07:30] <dholbach> and you're uploading to feisty
[07:30] <dholbach> so that should be more than fine, but if you like to have it in, that's ok
[07:30] <proppy> i'm not sure what you mean,
[07:31] <proppy> du you mean that, given that i upload this package for feisty
[07:31] <fdoving> proppy: in your case, if it's going into debian, i'd focus on uploading to debian first, then ubuntu can sync from debian, less work for everyone as you only maintain the one version in debian.
[07:31] <dholbach> the versions of g++ in the ubuntu archive always were >= 3.3
[07:31] <proppy> ok
[07:31] <dholbach> fdoving: it's fine if it goes into ubuntu first - especially if debian hits the freeze soon
[07:32] <dholbach> proppy: but as I said: it's unnecessary, but it does no harm
[07:32] <proppy> btw it is in the NEW queue of debian too
[07:32] <dholbach> ah ok
[07:33] <proppy> so i guess making a special version for ubuntu is not very necessary
[07:33] <proppy> as the sync will occured ?
[07:33] <dholbach> we *can* sync out of NEW, but I think the archive admins are happy with syncing from sid
[07:34] <dholbach> happier
[07:34] <proppy> i can wait for the package to be in unstable
[07:34] <proppy> i uploaded it to REVU, to figure out of the process
[07:34] <dholbach> if you want to get it upload in Ubuntu, that's fine too
[07:34] <dholbach> right
[07:34] <dholbach> why do you autoreconf?
[07:34] <proppy> not really to put it in universe before it's in debian
[07:35] <proppy> because we use debuild in our developpment process
[07:35] <dholbach> you can use debuild without running autoreconf too, no?
[07:35] <dholbach> is .orig.tar.gz the original tarball from upstream?
[07:36] <proppy> its the tar ball from a cvs copy we keep, in our project tree
[07:36] <proppy> that i sync with the upstream 
[07:36] <proppy> each new version
[07:37] <dholbach> sync? I don't understand
[07:37] <proppy> the upstream does not use autoconf at all
[07:37] <dholbach> right
[07:37] <proppy> i submit a patch to them, they have not included for now
[07:37] <proppy> +ed
[07:37] <dholbach> in that case, I'd personally either rename the tarball or change the version number to indicate that or would add a *HUGE* autoreconf patch
[07:38] <proppy> so i keep a copy of the upstream in our cvs with the patch included
[07:38] <dholbach> hm
[07:38] <dholbach> I'm not so happy about that
[07:38] <proppy> i guess its bad :)
[07:38] <dholbach> because you sell it as '.orig.tar.gz'
[07:38] <proppy> ok
[07:39] <dholbach> and it's good to have whatever changes you did in a .diff.gz
[07:39] <proppy> yep
[07:39] <proppy> so i should keep the orig.tar.gz
[07:39] <proppy> *ORIG*
[07:39] <dholbach> it's what I'd do
[07:39] <fdoving> proppy: orig.tar.gz should match what upstream supplies. it should preferably be fetchable with uscan (debian/watch).
[07:39] <dholbach> take the upstream tarball, patch it as it needs to be patched
[07:40] <proppy> ok
[07:40] <dholbach> and I wouldn't run autoconf and friends on the build daemon
[07:40] <proppy> and debuild will generate the proper .diff.gz
[07:40] <dholbach> I'd do that in a patch also
[07:40] <proppy> dholbach: you mean autoreconf call in debian/rules ?
[07:40] <dholbach> yes
[07:41] <proppy> understood
[07:41] <dholbach> and build-depending on autoconf, automake, libtool, etc
[07:41] <dholbach> in general the packaging is sound
[07:41] <dholbach> it's just the way you deal with upstream delivering a suboptimal tarball
[07:42] <fdoving> revu should have deb-src repo for all packages.
[07:42] <proppy> ok
[07:42] <proppy> dholbach: you suggest that i put the autoconfization for the package
[07:42] <proppy> dholbach: in a separate patch
[07:42] <proppy> dholbach: rather than in the diff.gz
[07:42] <proppy> dholbach: right ?
[07:43] <dholbach> the patch will be in the .diff.gz as well
[07:43] <dholbach> but it's my impression that you'll have a better overview over what patches you add, especially if you update the source to the next version and all that
[07:43] <fdoving> proppy: separate patches are preferred, easier to remove if that's needed at some point.
[07:43] <proppy> dholbach: but i heard in the openweek, that there is a way to attach patch to cdbs
[07:43] <proppy> ok
[07:44] <dholbach> you use cdbs?
[07:44] <proppy> yep
[07:44] <dholbach> then it's very easy
[07:44] <fdoving> proppy: include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/simple-patchsys.mk to debian/rules and use cdbs-edit-patch
[07:44] <dholbach> cdbs-edit-patch 99_autoreconf; ...; autoreconf -i; rm -r autom4te.cache; ctrl-d
[07:44] <dholbach> that should be it
[07:44] <proppy> understood
[07:45] <proppy> that was the session i was talking about :)
[07:45] <dholbach> nice
[07:45] <proppy> the first comment s/unstable/feisty
[07:45] <dholbach> good work on that
[07:45] <proppy> was for changelog ?
[07:46] <dholbach> yes
[07:46] <proppy> ok
[07:46] <dholbach> our buildds won't accept anything for 'unstable'
[07:46] <proppy> yep
[07:46] <proppy> thanks for the hints and fixes
[07:46] <dholbach> ROCK
[07:46] <proppy> HARD
[07:47] <proppy> i guess i will have to keep separate branch or file, for packaging meta-data
[07:47] <proppy> in our source repository
[07:47] <proppy> for each distribution
[07:48] <fdoving> proppy: why? if you maintain the debian package.. ubuntu will sync that. if it's not done automatically you can request it to be synced.
[07:49] <fdoving> unless there are ubuntu specific changes done to the package.. more than s/unstable/feisty in the changelog.. that is.
[07:49] <proppy> ok i undestand
[07:50] <fdoving> i'd also recommend re-uploading the debian package.. and make the orig.tar.gz actually match the upstream tarball.. if possible.
[07:51] <fdoving> having a debian/watch file is also a very good thing.
[07:51] <proppy> fdoving: yep i will ask the debiandev here to upload it for me
[07:51] <proppy> fdoving: i just put me in the situation to upload it to two place at the same time :)
[07:52] <proppy> which is a bad idea 
[07:53] <proppy> i should wait for the sync to occur as you suggested
[07:54] <proppy> but uploading it to revu was not a bad thing afterall, as it suggests me a lot of fixes :)
[07:55] <proppy> but it will not make its way to universe throught debian, and not throught revu
[07:57] <LaserJock> proppy: it will get to Universe if it goes into Debian first
[07:57] <dholbach> ok fellas, I'm off
[07:57] <dholbach> see you
[07:57] <LaserJock> cya dholbach 
[07:58] <nixternal> hey, smb4k needs to be fixed in edgy. the current version has a bug that allows it to write to the sudoers file
[07:58] <nixternal> i just requested a sync from debian for feisty
[07:58] <LaserJock> nixternal: my wife had a dream last night that Konan came to our house for a visit ;-)
[07:58] <nixternal> haha
[07:58] <proppy> LaserJock: typo :)
[07:58] <nixternal> he is sleeping in his bed right now
[07:58] <nixternal> no no
[07:58] <nixternal> with a K
[07:59] <ChaosFan> t/wc
[07:59] <proppy> but it will make its way to universe throught debian and not throught revu
[07:59] <proppy> that what i wanted to say :)
[07:59] <crimsun> \sh: entirely possible, though I don't have time atm to check
[07:59] <nixternal> haha, thought you was talkin' bout da pup
[07:59] <crimsun> nixternal: pong, what regarding smb4k?
[08:00] <nixternal> was gonna ask about requesting a sync, but someone responded saying it was good for a sync
[08:00] <crimsun> proppy: when the archive admins get around to processing the requests; no ETA, since Herd 1 is/was priority
[08:00] <nixternal> edgy smb4k needs to be updated ASAP, and I don't know the procedure
[08:00] <nixternal> edgy can be sync'd from debian as well
[08:00] <crimsun> you just mentioned edgy twice; was that intentional?
[08:00] <nixternal> yes
[08:01] <nixternal> should have been one line
[08:01] <nixternal> but i hit enter
[08:01] <crimsun> file a bug against the edgy smb4k source package, and follow the sync protocol
[08:01] <nixternal> easy enough
[08:01] <ajmitch> morning all
[08:01] <LaserJock> should that go into -security?
[08:01] <crimsun> nixternal: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-August/000181.html
[08:01] <nixternal> btw, for feisty smb4k refer to bug 74549
[08:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74549 in smb4k "[Feisty MoM]  Please sync smb4k from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74549
[08:02] <crimsun> nixternal: err, sorry, that's the procedure for feisty, which you've done
[08:02] <crimsun> nixternal: so you need to generate a debdiff for edgy-security?
[08:02] <crimsun> 'morning ajmitch 
[08:02] <nixternal> gotcha crimsun 
[08:02] <nixternal> will do now
[08:02] <\sh> crimsun: just asked...it's ok...I just didn't found the reference, but looking on archive.ubuntu.com gave me the hint that something is missing in the changelog
[08:03] <crimsun> \sh: ok, thanks for the heads-up
[08:03] <cinod> Hi there, Im  learning on how to create deb package,and survived helloworld. And Im pretty much going to try some candidates.
[08:03] <cinod> However, i noticed some candidates already have a deb file in their downloads
[08:03] <cinod> do i still need to package them?
[08:05] <\sh> ok..some merges are uploaded and waiting for processing..some syncs as well...tomorrow let's see what I could do to push feisty to the limits ,-)
[08:05] <crimsun> yay!
[08:07] <ajmitch> \sh: good to have you back working
[08:07] <\sh> ajmitch: I would have done more in the past...but I'm really busy here with automation with FAI and other stuff..
[08:08] <\sh> but it's xmas time ... so everybody slows a bit down...;)
[08:08] <ajmitch> you've probably done more uploads to feisty than I have already
[08:08] <\sh> and some 2x dual core machines are just waiting for having a dist-cc running ;)
[08:08] <LaserJock> cinod: if they aren't in the Ubuntu repos then yes, sometimes you can get the source package from the authors if they already have a .deb
[08:09] <cinod> Thanks!
[08:09] <proppy> crimsun: thanks
[08:14] <mr_pouit> is there a good reason for an uploaded package not to show up in build queue nor in "its related LP page" ? Gloubiboulga uploaded pouetchess SRU for a while, and no sign of it...
[08:16] <mr_pouit> https://launchpad.net/people/mrpouit/+packages displays sru version, but the link gives an "Oops!" :/
[08:23] <nixternal> crimsun: should i just file a bug against smb4k and then check the security box?
[08:24] <keescook> nixternal: yup, but then go in an unset the "private" flag, since it's a public problem.
[08:24] <nixternal> cool, thanks keescook 
[08:25] <crimsun> nixternal: what our security dudes said above. :)  Also, make sure you add the required info to #74549.
[08:25] <nixternal> required info?  more than what I already have in there?
[08:26] <\sh> smb4k?
[08:26] <nixternal> \sh: yes
[08:26] <\sh> is it already usable? last time I talked to the sernet people they are not quite sure that someone should use it until next year 
[08:27] <nixternal> well, according to the front page of the smb4k.berlios it is, plus it has been packaged in debian as well
[08:27] <keescook> which reminds me, I need to publish my smb4k audit details ... there will be more security updates for smb4k needed shortly.  :)
[08:28] <\sh> nixternal: hmmm...looks like I need to have another look on it...
[08:29] <crimsun> keescook: yeah, it was kinda gross last I looked
[08:29] <keescook> crimsun: yeah.  :)
[08:31] <nixternal> bug 74553
[08:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74553 in smb4k "[Edgy Security]  smb4k 0.7.1-1 security issue - immediate attention required" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74553
[08:31] <ajmitch> hey keescook 
[08:31] <keescook> hiya ajmitch 
[08:35] <elektranox> do I have tu build 3 packages for supporting linux-headers-386, 686 and generic? ^.~
[08:36] <Adri2000> mr_pouit: the archive if frozen at the moment due to the release of herd 1
[08:36] <Adri2000> s/if/is/
[08:37] <proppy> what is the *xx*_prefix for file into debian/patches ?
[08:37] <mr_pouit> Adri2000: ah ok ^^ (since November 29th ? oO)
[08:38] <Adri2000> yeah, herd 1 is still not out... should be today I believe but I don't know if it's done now
[08:39] <mr_pouit> Adri2000: k, thanks ;)
[08:40] <crimsun> nixternal: for 74553, you will want to provide the most minimal debdiff possible, not a gigantenormous update to .0.7.5
[08:40] <crimsun> -\.
[08:41] <nixternal> hrmm
[08:47] <tsmithe> crimsun; could you possibly take another look at my package? :)
[08:47] <crimsun> tsmithe: possibly, yes :)
[08:47] <tsmithe> cool :)
[08:47] <crimsun> meeting for a bit, so I'll do it this evening.
[08:47] <tsmithe> great!
[08:55] <elektranox> dholbach: could you review my package again?
[09:26] <crimsun> for those following TB meeting, I propose imbrandon and LaserJock for MC
[09:27] <crimsun> yeah, I was under the impression MOTU would select and approve its own council
[09:27] <crimsun> I can understand TB's desire to retain approval
[09:28] <ajmitch> I thought they'd get a list of names & ACK/NAK
[09:28] <ajmitch> it could probably still work that way
[09:28] <crimsun> that seems to be the currently discussed approach
[09:28] <ajmitch> 2 of the 5 are set, it seems
[09:28] <ajmitch> so 3 spots to fill
[09:29] <ajmitch> I guess it's crimsun, imbrandon  & LaserJock 
[09:31] <crimsun> heh, I'd nominate you, ajmitch, instead of myself
[09:31] <crimsun> my schedule clashes horribly with normal TB meetings
[09:33] <ajmitch> something to sort out with pitti & dholbach
[09:34] <vil> ajmitch: I worked with doko, however he did not make it to todays meeting
[09:34] <bddebian> Who the heck is vil? 
[09:34] <ajmitch> bddebian: I don't know
[09:35] <ajmitch> vil: ok, what did you do with doko?
[09:35] <vil> ajmitch: packaging of eclipse-pydev
[09:35] <ajmitch> so 1 package so far?
[09:35] <vil> ajmitch: helping with packaging eclipse-3.2.1
[09:36] <bddebian> More than me for feisty :-)
[09:36] <vil> ajmitch: which means some patching and packaging 2 dependencies
[09:37] <ajmitch> ok
[09:38] <crimsun> vil: perhaps you'd like to work with ademan on the eclipse-cdt issues?  [https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-December/001000.html ] 
[09:38] <vil> crimsun: could be, I will definitely have a look at it
[09:38] <crimsun> vil: thanks
[09:39] <Adri2000> vil: why aren't you in the ubuntu-members team?
[09:39] <vil> Adri2000: did not make it yet, TB just had the meeting first
[09:40] <shawarma> membership is handled by CC, not TB.
[09:41] <Adri2000> and membership is needed to become a dev, no?
[09:41] <shawarma> Usually, yes.
[09:41] <crimsun> I have another meeting to run off to, but when geser's -dev application surfaces again in a few minutes, please paste my sponsorship to the TB again
[09:42] <crimsun> that is:
[09:42] <crimsun> 15:33 < crimsun> I'll gladly sponsor geser, having worked with him on numerous 
[09:42] <crimsun>                  syncs and merges
[09:42] <ajmitch> proppy: patch not applying properly?
[09:42] <crimsun> 15:34 < crimsun> he has been working in -motu to teach prospective MOTU to 
[09:42] <crimsun>                  merge, too
[09:42] <shawarma> crimsun: Will do.
[09:42] <proppy> ajmitch: patch involving new file creation create file in subdirectory instead of creating them in the root one
[09:43] <proppy> ajmitch: unittest++-1.2.0/unittest++-1.2.0/configure.ac for exemple
[09:43] <proppy> ajmitch: instead of unittest++-1.2.0/configure.ac
[09:43] <ajmitch> heh, impressive
[09:43] <LaserJock> what did I miss?
[09:43] <proppy> ajmitch: i must have missed something
[09:43] <imbrandon> whats going on ? heh
[09:43] <ajmitch> LaserJock: being a superstar
[09:43] <ajmitch> imbrandon: TB meeting
[09:44] <imbrandon> ahh
[09:44] <proppy> TB?
[09:44] <plugwash> iirc simple-patchsys tries several different -p levels
[09:44] <ajmitch> yep
[09:44] <ajmitch> proppy: TB == technical board
[09:44] <plugwash> which it clearly does to try and be helpfull but clearly the one it tries first and the one its edit tool produces are different
[09:44] <ajmitch> imbrandon: vil is getting his grilling now
[09:45] <imbrandon> ahh
[09:45] <imbrandon> i havent worked with vil much at all
[09:45] <imbrandon> so i'm keeping quiet
[09:45] <imbrandon> whats up with MC ? ( MC == greyskull ? ) /me is a bit lost on that convo
[09:46] <LaserJock> imbrandon: yes, sounds like officially it will be MOTU Council
[09:47] <LaserJock> unofficially Council Grayskull, mwuahahaha!
[09:47] <imbrandon> heh
[09:47] <imbrandon> did the TB talk of it today or something? sorry i got online late 
[09:47] <zul> i have the power!
[09:47] <jdong> ok, this might just be my brain dying after a long day... but is there any way to have a pipe / fifo buffer to the HD?
[09:47] <jdong> HD being hard disk
[09:48] <jdong> from what I see a fifo doesn't do that
[09:48] <zul> ick java
[09:49] <geser> imbrandon: there was a short discussion about MC
[09:49] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[09:49] <imbrandon> heya geser 
[09:49] <LaserJock> zul: it exists and people use it, can't do a whole lot about it ;-)
[09:49] <imbrandon> guess i'll read the logs later
[09:50] <zul> LaserJock: true but i dont have to like it ;)
[09:50] <LaserJock> of course
[09:50] <LaserJock> I'm part of an open source chemistry group
[09:50] <shawarma> Is this a particularly slow meeting or does it just feel that way because I'm standing in line?
[09:50] <LaserJock> and over half of the participating projects are Java
[09:50] <Lure> imbrandon: TB will ask MOTUs to nominate candidates for council and TB plans to ack them on next meeting
[09:51] <zul> shawarma: because you are standing in line
[09:51] <shawarma> Of course, I usually read the logs. That feels a lot quicker. :-)
[09:51] <shawarma> zul: I suspected that. 
[09:51] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[09:52] <jdong> hmm, O_NONBLOCK when open()ing a fifo, apparently....
[09:52] <Lure> imbrandon: they just said that they would like some core-dev's in and more non-canonical council, so you are a good candidate ;-)
[09:53] <imbrandon> so is ajmitch and crimsun and LaserJock :)
[09:53] <LaserJock> well, imbrandon ajmitch and crimsun are core-devs
[09:53] <imbrandon> when are they taking noninations ? now ?
[09:53] <LaserJock> dholbach is Canonical and core dev
[09:54] <LaserJock> I would like to see one more Canonical
[09:54] <Lure> imbrandon: probably by e-mail until next meeting...
[09:54] <LaserJock> but I don't know
[09:54] <Lure> imbrandon: pitti is supposed to talk with dholbach
[09:54] <jdong> wait, no, that just errors out if the fifo ain't connected
[09:54] <imbrandon> Lure: ahh ok
[09:54] <Lure> LaserJock: what is the point in more canonical? 
[09:54] <LaserJock> getting more feedback
[09:55] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I think pitti may be put on the team, I don't know
[09:55] <LaserJock> more support
[09:55] <ajmitch> you could ask him
[09:55] <LaserJock> that would cool
[09:55] <jdong> "BURN-Free was 279 times used."
[09:56] <jdong> if cdrecord is supposed to use Ingrish could we at least make it funnier ;-)
[09:57] <malex> Edgy pbuilder chroot is not being set up -  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/man/man1/mesg.1.gz', which is also in package sysvutils
[09:57] <siretart> vil: congrats for MOTUness!
[09:58] <malex> That's for /var/cache/apt/archives/sysvinit-utils_2.86.ds1-36_i386.deb
[09:59] <jdong> malex: that's the version of sysvinit-utils in Debian Sid
[09:59] <vil> siretart: thanks a lot
[09:59] <jdong> malex: are you sure you're bootstrapping edgy?
[09:59] <malex> Yes, I"m bootstrapping edgy
[10:00] <vil> siretart: let's see, what happens now :)
[10:00] <jdong> malex: again, are you sure :D
[10:00] <malex>  MIRRORSITE="http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu"
[10:00] <malex>  DISTRIBUTION=edgy
[10:05] <malex> jdong: Actually even with --override-config --configfile $BASE_DIR/$DISTRIBUTION/pbuilderrc pbuilder seems to be pulling OTHERMIRROR from ~/.pbuilderrc and OTHERMIRROR is a Debian source list. I wonder if the "OTHERMIRROR=" will override that.
[10:07] <malex> Yup, the variables that are not set in a local pbuilderrc seem to be pulled from the next pbuilderrc up the chain. 
[10:25] <proppy> ajmitch: nice, i've fixed my cdbs-edit-problem
[10:25] <proppy> ajmitch: looking at simple-patchsys.mk
[10:25] <proppy> putting #DPATCHLEVEL=1 at the beginning of the patch do the work
[10:26] <ajmitch> useful
[10:27] <proppy> level=$$(head $$patch | egrep '^#DPATCHLEVEL=' | cut -f 2 -d '='); \
[10:27] <proppy> then it called patch -p$$level
[10:28] <proppy> seems to be patch -p0 if no DPATCHLEVEL= in your patch file
[10:34] <LaserJock> shawarma: did you go yet?
[10:34] <shawarma> LaserJock: No.
[10:54] <shawarma> LaserJock: it's happening now. :-)
[10:55] <ajmitch> everyone go & cheer for shawarma 
[10:55] <ajmitch> shawarma: I recall looking at some of your packages, etc
[10:56] <raphink> ooh TB :)
[10:56] <ajmitch> hey raphink 
[10:56] <raphink> hi ajmitch :)
[10:57] <tsmithe> go soren go soren go soren!
[11:01] <proppy> can a patch file handle empty directory creation ?
[11:02] <proppy> seems not
[11:03] <raphink> not empty directory I think
[11:04] <raphink> but empty file yes
[11:04] <raphink> iirc
[11:04] <proppy> can a .patch file patch debian/rules ? :)
[11:05] <raphink> sure
[11:05] <proppy> nice
[11:05] <raphink> but then it's not recommended to call it from debian/rules
[11:05] <raphink> ;)
[11:05] <raphink> a .patch file can patch anything ;)
[11:05] <ajmitch> unexpected things may occur
[11:06] <proppy> it's not considered *evil* ?
[11:06] <ajmitch> sure it is
[11:06] <raphink> but patching the contents of debian/ from within the package build might be dangerous
[11:06] <ajmitch> quite evil
[11:06] <ajmitch> especially if you patched & then reinvoked debian/rules
[11:06] <raphink> I wonder if policy talks about that
[11:06] <raphink> specifically
[11:06] <raphink> good point ajmitch :)
[11:06] <proppy> :)
[11:06] <ajmitch> raphink: I've heard of packages doing that
[11:06] <raphink> since patching is not indempotent
[11:07] <raphink> ajmitch: I've seen such horrible packages, I don't want to hear about worse
[11:07] <raphink> :)
[11:07] <ajmitch> haha
[11:07] <proppy> :)
[11:07] <tsmithe> well done shawarma 
[11:08] <raphink> I think I'm going to prepare a packaging course for my company :)
[11:08] <proppy> i'm trying to move configure.ac/Makefile.am creation from diff.gz to a standalone patch
[11:09] <shawarma> Whee!
[11:09] <ajmitch> shawarma: now get to work
[11:09] <LaserJock> shawarma: well done
[11:09] <shawarma> It would be ok to patch the control file, though.
[11:09] <shawarma> ajmitch: Will do. Now I just have to figure out how all this uploading thing works.
[11:10] <raphink> welcome shawarma
[11:10] <LaserJock> shawarma: in my email I told them you had good Mao abilities, I think that's what won them over ;-)
[11:11] <proppy> do a package is supposed to build without applying patches/*,  by this i mean does all the patches/* must be optionnal ?
[11:11] <shawarma> LaserJock: LOL. I'm sure that was it. :-)
[11:11] <shawarma> proppy: No.
[11:11] <shawarma> proppy: Not at all.
[11:11] <proppy> shawarma: nice to hear
[11:12] <psusi> the purpose of having patches/* is to keep our patches outside the upstream source so you can easily drop updated upstream source in place and the patches can ( hopefully ) be easily applied to the new source
[11:13] <raphink> hopefully
[11:13] <raphink> :)
[11:14] <proppy> psusi: so you can put dependand things in diff.gz and patches/*
[11:15] <shawarma> psusi: stuff in patches/* ends up in diff.gz..
[11:15] <raphink> should at least
[11:16] <shawarma> psusi:  diff.gz is applied to orig.tar.gz forming your entire source tree including everything.
[11:16] <raphink> except for the dirty upstream packages that already have a debian/ dir and patches that coem from no one knows where
[11:16] <shawarma> proppy: ^^ That was meant for you.
[11:17] <proppy> shawarma: yep but stuff in patches/* got applied when debuilding
[11:17] <LaserJock> hmm, maybe LP can have it's own tinyurl
[11:17] <proppy> and diff.gz when extracting the source package
[11:17] <raphink> the source package is extracted before building proppy
[11:18] <raphink> when building the package, the orig.tar.gz tarball gets extracted, then the diff.gz gets unzipped and applied
[11:18] <raphink> and then only the package gets built
[11:19] <crimsun> is TB over?
[11:19] <tsmithe> nope
[11:19] <tsmithe> geser is being grilled
[11:21] <proppy> raphink: that's what i wanted to mean :)
[11:21] <proppy> diff.gz and patches/* doesn't get applied at the same time
[11:21] <raphink> what shawarma said is that the files in patches/ are usually in the diff.gz
[11:22] <raphink> so the debian/patches directory, when present, is created when diff.gz is applied
[11:22] <proppy> yep i agree
[11:22] <raphink> and then debian/patches/* patches are usually applied during the build
[11:22] <raphink> depending on the packaging strategy
[11:23] <raphink> and the tool used (dpatch, cdbs's simple-patchsys, manual patching stamp rule, etc...)
[11:23] <crimsun> congrats vil, shawarma, geser!
[11:24] <vil> crimsun: thanks!
[11:24] <crimsun> I think I can step back from u-u-s a happy person 
[11:24] <geser> crimsun: thanks, less work for you
[11:24] <proppy> raphink: thanks for clarification
[11:25] <tsmithe> well done geser!
[11:25] <siretart> shawarma: geser: Welcome onboard! good to have you around!
[11:25] <geser> siretart: thanks
[11:25] <LaserJock> geser: wahooo \o/
[11:26] <geser> LaserJock: thanks
[11:27] <ajmitch> geser: congrats
[11:27] <geser> ajmitch: thanks
[11:31] <shawarma> siretart: Thanks!
[11:53] <poningru> a friend wants to quickly submit something to revu
[11:54] <poningru> does he needs to get universe contributer member status?
[11:55] <shawarma> What is needed to post comments on REVU?
[11:55] <proppy> poningru: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[11:55] <Adri2000> poningru: yes
[11:55] <proppy> poningru: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-universe-contributors/+join
[11:57] <poningru> hmm ok thanks
[11:57] <poningru> thanks
[12:00] <shawarma> siretart: What is needed for me to be able to comment on packages on REVU?
[12:01] <siretart> shawarma: telling me your revu login
[12:01] <ajmitch> shawarma: a revu admin to change your status
[12:01] <ajmitch> siretart: ah good, you're around to fix it :)
[12:02] <nixternal> keescook: answer to your response on the smb4k post. Right now == no. I don't know if it just consists of fixing the smb4kfileio.cpp&h or if there is more. There were a lot of fixes to the code since the 0.7.1 release
[12:02] <shawarma> siretart: sh@linux2go.dk
[12:02] <nixternal> didn't think a response like "im a code flunky, not a code monkey" wasn't all that appropriate for the report :)
[12:02] <keescook> nixternal: yeah, that's cool.
[12:02] <shawarma> siretart: It can wait, though.
[12:03] <nixternal> give me a few more more months when i am up to part at least 75%
[12:03] <proppy> fdoving: ping
[12:03] <fdoving> proppy: ack.
[12:03] <keescook> nixternal: heheh.  no problem.  I think Riddell has done work with smb4k, maybe he knows someone that would be able to do the backport?
[12:04] <proppy> fdoving: does watch file hande .zip file ?
[12:04] <proppy> fdoving: s/hande/handle
[12:04] <nixternal> cool, im sure he can spot someone out of the crowd
[12:04] <siretart> shawarma: you are reviewer now :)
[12:05] <fdoving> proppy: hmm.. don't know.. check 'man uscan'.
[12:05] <shawarma> siretart: Thanks!
[12:05] <proppy> fdoving: uscan == debian/watch tool ?
[12:05] <proppy> fdoving: thanks for hint :)
[12:06] <fdoving> proppy: yes. i know dpatch-get-origtargz does not support anything but tar.gz, but that doesn't really matter.
[12:06] <fdoving> proppy: no problem, I have to go sleep a little. bye.
[12:06] <fdoving> nite.
[12:06] <proppy> fdoving: seeya
[12:10] <shawarma> When we accept a sync request from a non-MOTU, we remove ubuntu-universe-sponsors' subscription and add ubuntu-archive, right?
[12:11] <shawarma> ....but still takes the time to write about it on IRC. Weirdo.
[12:12] <proppy> shawarma: same here :)