[12:12] where to? [12:13] adelaide === tsmithe has no idea [12:15] australia [12:15] you're coming to aus? [12:15] hehe [12:15] she lives in aus [12:15] who what [12:16] i thought hobbsee lived in europe for some reason [12:16] nah === VoX crawls back under his rock [12:16] VoX: nope === Hobbsee is in sydney at the moment [12:16] ew [12:16] sydney=fail [12:16] everybody else lives in europe... [12:17] that's not true [12:17] :-) === rmjb does not live in the eu rope [12:18] although they do seem to have a disproportionate amount of Linux devs [12:19] at least in Ubuntu and probably Fedora and OpenSuse too [12:19] when I become a dev I'll turn that tide :-) [12:20] that's right, the West unites! [12:21] so... anyone want to chat about using bzr to manage their debian directories when they're packaging? [12:22] hey LaserJock, you know inductor, capacitor and all of that? :) [12:22] I tried it last night and debuild added the .bzr directory into my source package... was kinda hoping it sould skip hidden directories === Admiral_Chicago [n=freddy@74.39.212.101] has joined #ubuntu-motu === muzzol [n=muzzol@blah.jabber.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tsmithe lives in europe! === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === muzzol [n=muzzol@blah.jabber.dk] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #uBUNtu-moTu [12:33] rmjb: I think you can added some sort of ignore file [12:34] Adri2000: somewhat, I'm not much of an electrical engineer, but I get by [12:35] ok :) I'm doing that at the moment for school :p === Ubug2 [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === muzzol [n=muzzol@62-43-64-39.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === muzzol [n=muzzol@62-43-64-39.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=nate@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === muzzol [n=muzzol@62-43-64-39.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gandalfn [n=gandalfn@i02m-87-89-253-156.d4.club-internet.fr] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === muzzol [n=muzzol@62-43-64-39.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:52] rmjb: you need to pass -i when building. [12:52] It's fiddly and hard to get right, but it did work for me a year ago. === muzzol [n=muzzol@62-43-64-39.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === muzzol [n=muzzol@62-43-64-39.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:56] Seveas: Ubugtu needs fixing === muzzol [n=muzzol@62-43-64-39.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:58] thanks bronson that seems to work [12:59] nice, congrats. :) [12:59] afternoon === awbassett [n=awbasset@206.135.97.35] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:00] evening ajmitch === muzzol [n=muzzol@62-43-64-39.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === muzzol [n=muzzol@62-43-64-39.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === muzzol [n=muzzol@62-43-64-39.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ailean [n=ailean@82-40-205-105.stb.ubr07.uddi.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === muzzol [n=muzzol@62-43-64-39.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@157.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@157.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@157.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu === muzzol [n=muzzol@62-43-64-39.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:30] !pbuilder [01:30] pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto [01:30] bronson: ^^ [01:30] can't you redirect too? [01:30] yeah [01:30] heh. [01:30] LaserJock: thanks. [01:30] !pbuilder > bronson [01:30] there's a double batch ;-) [01:31] Now I have one of my very own. [01:32] while true; do !pbuilder > bronson; done [01:32] aww :( [01:33] chmod a-w /dev/mytty [01:33] Actually, wallall -n [01:33] That fires some dusty neurons... === muzzol [n=muzzol@62-43-64-39.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === muzzol [n=muzzol@62-43-64-39.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.49.220.199] has joined #ubuntu-motu === engla [n=ulrik@wikipedia/Sverdrup] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:46] hi all === rrittenhouse [n=tad@cpe-76-188-35-66.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cinod [n=sufiyan@60.51.94.78] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=bob@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu === FunnyLookinHat [n=david@64.140.73.93] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-115-236.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-115-236.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === somerville32 [n=somervil@fctnnbsc15w-156034087191.nb.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-115-236.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-115-236.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rpedro____ [n=rpedro@87-196-32-187.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:47] hey, isn't the fact that debuild bombs out when the use-agent option is in gpg.conf a bug? [02:47] because dpkg-buildpackage works fine with the option there [02:47] and debuild supposedly calls that right? [02:49] rmjb: yes [02:49] rmjb: remember debuild is fully under fakeroot and dpkg-buildpakcage is not [02:49] the latter only fakeroots the build process [02:49] while with debuild, gpg is signing under fakeroot [02:50] and I've filed GPG bugs on this behavior too [02:50] it's resolved in the NEWEST gpg [02:50] which is not in Feisty [02:50] can you link me to the bug? [02:51] rmjb: https://bugs.g10code.com/gnupg/issue655 [02:51] it's not in launchpad then... [02:51] "Fixed in 1.4.5 (svn 4211)." [02:51] rmjb: it's an upstream bug [02:52] rmjb: I first discovered in bzr [02:52] ooh, feisty's should fix it [02:54] feisty's bzr should be good [02:54] but the rest of stuff [02:55] the gnupg bug is fixed in feisty's gnupg [02:55] so at least passphrase fallback will work correctly [02:55] oh cool [02:55] of course fakerooting the agent is a completely different story :D [02:55] so why doesn't debuild launch the gui prompt for the passphrase now? i.e. why doesn't is use the agent? [02:56] oh the fakeroot [02:56] fakeroot... my friend, fakeroot [02:56] I see [02:56] thanks for the info [02:56] np [02:56] I gtg, Heroes! === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:04] is the server install cd the lamp server or the base server install? [03:04] joejaxx: I think it can do both? [03:04] i do not know [03:04] I've only used it for the LAMP install [03:04] it does not have the two different preseeds like the alt disc [03:04] but even the alternate cd lets a ubuntu-minimal install [03:05] oh [03:05] nvm then [03:05] it only says install to hard disc [03:05] then I guess that's the LAMP server [03:05] yeah which means i downloaded the wrong cd image === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:06] :( [03:06] bah i will just install it anyway [03:06] lol [03:06] then strip it down [03:06] lol [03:07] i knew something had to be wrong [03:07] I just use netinst :) [03:07] the fluxbuntu disc is smaller than the image i downloaded [03:07] a nice 4MB ISO does the trick [03:07] lol [03:07] jdong: haha :P [03:07] i dont really get this licensing issue [03:07] yeah that is great for they business card size cdrs [03:07] muzzol: which part? [03:07] licensing is supossed to go in _every_ file? [03:08] this makes no sense [03:08] apparently for source files, yes :-/ [03:08] well lets say i included divx source in my code [03:08] and it did not have a license in the header [03:08] i understand the connotations [03:08] dont need to explain [03:08] but everything else had pgl [03:08] oh ok [03:09] but if this is correct [03:09] then ubuntu is breaking it [03:09] let me explain [03:09] with some pastes [03:09] apt-get source libavc1394-0 [03:09] cd /usr/src/libavc1394-0.5.3 [03:09] find . | wc -l [03:09] 70 [03:10] grep -r -m 1 "GNU Lesser General Public" * | wc -l [03:10] 13 [03:10] how do you explain that? [03:10] not all the files are source files? === FriedCPU [i=friedcpu@stuck.in.the.delta.qu4dr4n7.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:11] and not all of them are GPL [03:11] LGPL* [03:11] lots of the config* scripts are GPL [03:12] i've found some .h without licensing [03:12] avc1394_internal.h for example === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:14] the problem is i must send an email to the author of cinelerra and ask for licensing of certain files [03:14] how can i find wich files are correct ones? [03:14] must i perform a find just with .c and .h files? [03:15] mostly source files are the ones that you care about [03:15] header files don't really "deserve" to be licensed :) [03:15] due to their trivial nature [03:15] but if there's actual code snippets in the header files [03:15] that's a grey area [03:16] that's annoying [03:16] which is not the case in any of the avc1394 headers [03:16] i just want to make a package [03:16] if you want to make a package it's generally a good idea to be absolutely sure about the licensing of the source :) === lupine_85 [n=lupine@nick.lupine.me.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:17] bah, screw sleep. === crimsun opens revu again [03:18] jdong: i think this is not the problem [03:18] cinelerra's coders release all their software under gpl [03:18] crimsun: noo! you want to sleep [03:18] crimsun: that's not healthy :) [03:18] crimsun: want to review packages? why not do dragbox .) [03:18] crimsun: do not get like me :( [03:18] but are so lazy that dont include license on every file [03:19] evening crimsun [03:19] muzzol: don't quibble me about it. I don't make the packaging policies around here :) [03:19] joejaxx: sickness? I'm far beyond that. [03:19] ajmitch: evening [03:19] im just winning to the air [03:19] :) [03:19] crimsun: you spend 40+ hours a week on ubuntu, I take it? [03:19] crimsun: :( [03:19] ajmitch: no idea, tbh [03:19] on top of the job, that is [03:19] I think I can count the amount of time I -don't- spend on Ubuntu ;) [03:20] crimsun: no i have insomnia [03:20] crimsun: that's a very bad sign [03:20] joejaxx: oh, haven't had that [03:20] crimsun: oh that is good :) === joejaxx happier now [03:20] ajmitch: very. fortunately I've almost perfected this neural 'net connection... [03:21] jdong: nice [03:21] jdong: it has a software selection :D [03:21] jdong: on the server disc [03:21] crimsun: but can you count the amount of time you don't spend on ubuntu AND debian AND open source development? ;-) [03:22] jdong: yeah, 1 hour per week. [03:22] LOL [03:22] wait.... that sounds like me === jdong starts feeling nerdy again [03:22] that's the amount of time I spent waiting for the laptop to (re)boot or shut down [03:22] ROFL! [03:22] =) [03:22] when was the last time you slept? [03:22] yeah, and those periodic fscks too... man they cut out of my ubuntuforums time [03:22] ajmitch: a couple hours ago [03:23] crimsun: he meant for more than 10 minutes? [03:23] lol [03:23] I took a 3-hr nap === ajmitch can't survive on < 5 hours a night [03:23] oh boy, is this a polyphasic sleep cycle thing? [03:24] for a while when i was younger i was doing like 3-4 hours a night [03:25] after a few months i burnt myself out so bad i havent been able to comfortably sleep <8 for the past like 4 years [03:25] that stuff catches up real fast [03:26] fortunately I'm only really insane for short periods [03:26] lol [03:26] yeah i dislike when that happens [03:26] when you get to that point [03:27] you = I [03:27] in my statements === ajmitch usually does 6-7 per night, can't sleep for 8 usually [03:28] crimsun: that sounds unusually similar to Tesla's sleep behavior? === muzzol goes sleeping [03:30] Good night muzzol [03:30] I do 8-10 or I'm dead [03:30] I wonder if I uploaded samba last night === ajmitch checks [03:31] no .upload, so I mustn't have done so [03:31] & iptables to remerge again === LaserJock just spent the last 1/2 hr figuring out how to play wesnoth [03:32] haha [03:32] don't worry, i was playing freeciv for 2-3 hours last night when I could have been doing ubuntu work [03:32] & quake 4 :) [03:32] bah [03:32] hehe, I'm actually kinda happy this hardware can't play modern 3D games [03:32] I'd get nothing done otherwise === ajmitch had to test the new monitor [03:33] I just wondered what everybody was talking about with wesnoth so I thought I'd give it a whirl [03:33] I'm just glad I've never started playing WoW === ajmitch has heard too many stories of WoW sucking away any life people have [03:34] heh [03:34] I read that as MoM [03:34] yeah you want to stay away from the WoWarCrack [03:34] well if you read WoW upside down... [03:35] and I was thinking "yeah, merges to suck away a lot" [03:35] Masters of. .... [03:35] Masters of Merges? [03:35] Merge-o-Matic [03:35] oh [03:35] yeah, I don't think I've touched any of my universe merges yet [03:35] I've only done main [03:36] I did one Main [03:36] and my only one in Universe [03:36] whoopdeedo [03:36] heh [03:36] the largest one I've done is samba [03:36] LaserJock: you've had Open Week, though [03:36] followed by updating f-spot to 0.3.0 [03:36] yeah, I did end up with 3 sessions for Open Week [03:36] I'm impressed [03:37] jordan 'superstar' mantha [03:37] bah [03:37] =) [03:37] what sessions did you do? [03:37] or if you flip it around [03:37] tha man jordan === DarkMageZ [n=richard@59.167.29.110] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:38] I did 2 "Maintaining Packages in Ubuntu" [03:38] and 1 "Ubuntu Documentation Team" [03:38] tha man "superstar" jordan :) [03:38] good work [03:38] well, they really could have been better, especially the package maintanence ones === fernando fighting with /dev/ttyUSB0 and losing =( [03:39] lol === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-115-236.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === FriedCPU [i=friedcpu@stuck.in.the.delta.qu4dr4n7.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:41] GRR [03:42] any ways to sift through a mbox and remove e-mails from nonexistent domains received on 12/3/06? [03:42] I just got counter-spammed for activating someone's spam filter [03:42] actually, wait, there's an easier way [03:42] all the e-mails have subject "HeadOn" and content "Applied directly to the forehead" [03:42] I swear, it'd be a LOT less funny if it was sitting in YOUR inbox [03:43] jdong: you are a system admin? [03:43] just substitute Sync or Merge for HeadOn, and you'll know how I sometimes felt ;) [03:43] joejaxx: no, that's my personal inbox :) [03:44] ah ok [03:44] pfft some people think they're so funny when they figure out how sendmail works [03:46] :) [03:47] PriceChild: that was my BONUS shipment of e-mails for bouncing his first set :) [03:47] hehe :) [03:52] crimsun: so Unconfirmed bugs for ubuntu-universe-sponsors are the ones up for grabs? [03:53] ajmitch: samba and f-spot are pretty significant === ryanakca [i=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:56] LaserJock: there's more important stuff I've got to work on [03:56] LaserJock: I believe so [03:57] plus some new packages === ajmitch only has 1 new package in feisty so far === bddebian has 0000 [03:57] bddebian: you're too busy hacking on the hurd [03:58] Nope, not me :-) === joejaxx does not have any [03:58] :( [03:58] :) === ajmitch counts the number of recent posts to the hurd lists [03:58] ajmitch: Aww, I didn't think you cared anymore :-) [03:58] where is the MoM site [03:59] http://merges.ubuntu.com [03:59] bddebian: I don't [04:00] Then WTF are you doing reading the lists? :-) [04:00] I don't read them [04:00] I just get the mail === imbrandon [n=brandon@CPE-72-135-8-5.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:02] I'm just killing time until I can truly come home ;-) === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:03] yes, wasting time when you should be working on ubuntu [04:03] ? [04:03] hey imbrandon [04:03] what's up? [04:04] heya ajmitch [04:04] nadda [04:04] ajmitch: I don't have the time to dedicate atm :-( [04:04] playing with my bday presents [04:04] bddebian: as if [04:04] ?? [04:04] imbrandon: yeah, we hate you too [04:04] ajmitch: well it will joy you to know i cant get it working ( yet ) in linux [04:04] heh [04:04] imbrandon: unlike my new monitor last night [04:04] you got a new view? nice [04:05] plug in DVI cable, fire up nvidia-settings & it reconfigured twinview nicely [04:05] And ya'll don't need me anyhow :-) [04:05] i still have no idea how to get this card wortking [04:05] ajmitch: rocking [04:05] bddebian: yes we do [04:05] nice 3200x1200 desktop now :) [04:05] i hate you [04:05] lol === LaserJock is an idiot [04:05] it was only a 20" lcd [04:05] to complement the 21" crt on the desk [04:06] ugh phone brb [04:06] i still need to find out how to make a ati "tv wonder 200" work in linux [04:06] hm, ATI [04:06] imbrandon: Nah, you've got ajmitch :-) === imbrando1 [n=brandon@CPE-72-135-8-5.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:07] bddebian: who does nothing but lurk on irc [04:09] heh thats all i've done the last week or so [04:09] ajmitch: And I didn't do anything but upload .desktop files that I wasn't supposed too :-) [04:09] is lurk heh [04:09] http://www.ubuntu.com/employment#head-612502a6e6bd165c0cde3a5b1ca19ff84496c14f [04:09] joejaxx: yes? [04:09] joejaxx: ? [04:09] anyone think i whould have a chance at that [04:09] no [04:09] haha :) [04:09] i just wanted to see the response [04:09] [04:09] not really === imbrandon dosent wanna touch that beaste [04:10] really, if you're not intimately familiar with OOo, you'd get lost [04:10] there's no way I'd want to touch it [04:11] i know [04:11] it was a joke [04:11] about the only one I'd remotely qualify for would be junior web engineer [04:11] yea ati tv card ( no monitor output ) [04:11] "Junior Web Engineer" sounds more fun to me [04:11] ie launchpad flunky [04:11] heh === ajmitch does 'web engineer' stuff as a day job === imbrandon does too in a round about way [04:12] heh [04:12] I think I meet nearly everything on the required skills list [04:12] I'm a lab monkey as a day job [04:12] though I'm not intimately familar with web app frameworks, zope is mainly for hobby stuff [04:13] (for what I've done) === imbrandon is a "System Administrator" as a day job with other crufty mixed in === ajmitch is php code monkey [04:14] man to tell you the honest truth i had more fun when i worked as a php code monkey at netsouthern [04:14] but this is a cool job too, justa diffrent cool === ajmitch would prefer sysadmin stuff to php [04:15] yeah i am just a student and network system administrator [04:15] yea i like it and the pay better, but "more fun" isnt what i would call it [04:15] I want the X maintainer job! :_) [04:15] bddebian: go for it [04:15] i got to tour all the developers offices today /me was jelous [04:15] Yeah right, I'm a freakin' moron :-( [04:16] imbrandon: why jealous? [04:16] imbrandon: do you have your own office or are you in the NOC [04:16] they were in the hallway ( big hallway ) playing football [04:16] joejaxx: i have my own office ( not cubical ) /IN/ the NOC [04:16] imbrandon: :D [04:16] with lots of shiny toys [04:16] not yet, but soon ajmitch [04:16] :) [04:16] ajmitch: probalby now [04:17] not* [04:17] everything whould be in the datacentre [04:17] lol [04:17] imbrandon: they are going to give you toys? [04:17] no, he's going to buy toys for all of us [04:17] joejaxx: not really we have 3 datacenters here in town ( and one in NY ) , two of them are the size of 3 football feilds each on the DC floor [04:18] yeah [04:18] so lots of room [04:18] impressive size [04:18] ajmitch: yea they are fskin huge, the bigest DC i have ever seen [04:18] crimsun: so once you "ack" a sync do you subscribe ubuntu-archive? [04:19] LaserJock: yes [04:19] 1and1.com just leased DC space and bandwidth from us in the KC NOC [04:19] talk about big :) [04:19] LaserJock: can you look at dmraid, especially? if it's not already done [04:19] I promised rmjb I'd look, but haven't had time or had a working apt-get :) [04:20] ajmitch: you broke apt? [04:20] mvo did! [04:20] not me [04:20] heh [04:20] he has a patch for it === FriedCPU [n=friedcpu@stuck.in.the.delta.qu4dr4n7.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === imbrandon decideds not to update tonight [04:20] imbrandon: what company is that? [04:20] wow, funny looking typo [04:20] joejaxx: the one i work for? gsihosting.com [04:20] because there are only a couple which are on that calibur [04:21] oh ok [04:21] we host walmart.com , sprint.com , visa.com and a slew of others [04:21] along with a ton of co-lo stuff [04:21] nice [04:21] ajmitch: I'll do it now [04:22] i am actually looking at colo [04:22] for the fluxbuntu dedi's [04:22] but not in ny [04:22] most of the $$ is with the compliant CC hosting though, 60% of all visa cc transations go through our servers [04:22] etc [04:23] wow that is nice [04:23] joejaxx: i work in the KC NOC, the NY one is unmanned offsite backup stuff [04:23] the ones in KC are where the real action is === ajmitch doesn't have money to burn on getting a colo box [04:24] imbrandon: ohok [04:24] i need something local though [04:24] that was the main reason it took so long to get the job, they had to do a hella background check ( because of all the CC info even though its encrypted 15 ways from hell etc etc etc ) [04:24] i am looking at NAC [04:25] yeah that is true [04:25] imbrandon: and they still let you work there? [04:25] leaste i can say with confidance i'm not an axe murderer :) [04:25] ajmitch: hehe [04:25] lol [04:26] ajmitch: not only work there i'm one of the few with total building access AND full root/admin access on every box [04:26] :) [04:26] imbrandon: impressive, for a new employee [04:26] yea, kinda scarry [04:26] but like i said hella bg check [04:26] so i think they are covered :) [04:27] the only box i dont have root on is the cray, but its not in production yet [04:27] heh [04:27] so we know where to build packages now === joejaxx loves supercomputers :( [04:27] imbrandon: did they ask you about your Mt. Dew addiction [04:27] have any modification in usbserial module of the 6.06 to 6.10? I'm trying to use a kyocera kpc650 after a new ubuntu installation, but usbserial don't creating /dev/ttyUSB[01] , and if created by my hands, its don't work =( somebody have any information about this? [04:27] heh the sad part is the cray will be running TONS vmware machines when it gets put into production :( [04:28]