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| Riddell | ryanakca: pong | 12:21 |
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| jdong | ok, I have a fix for bug 65791 | 12:24 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 65791 in guidance "DPMS timeout restored incorrectly on login" [Unknown,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/65791 | 12:24 |
| jdong | it is indeed caused by the DPMSSetTimeouts() line in kenergy of kdebase, Lure | 12:24 |
| jdong | *ahem* | 12:24 |
| allee | Riddell: did you change anything with repect to USB memstick mouting in dapper kde 3.5.5 backports? | 12:24 |
| allee | Riddell: mounting fails du to hal-system-storage-mount not found. But this script was never in dapper as pitti confirmed. So kde way to mount remomeable media must have changed, right? | 12:26 |
| allee | ... during ~dapper1 -> ~dapper2 (despite the fact that the changelog shows no indication about this) | 12:27 |
| jdong | Riddell: ping | 12:33 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: ok, I got that thing for Kubuntu work counting towards my community service / volunteer hours for my High School diploma approved by my school... but, how would we measure the time? I need 40 hours... | 12:34 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: and do you want to sign a slip every x hours? or once the 40 are finished? | 12:35 |
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| gnomefreak | nixternal: the bug was taken care of i filed one upstream and attached a few backtraces since they didnt like the first one. and i sent the bug you filed upstream | 12:47 |
| Riddell | allee: yes, it'll have all the edgy changes | 12:47 |
| Riddell | jdong: hi | 12:47 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: have you spoken to me before about this? | 12:47 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: yes, in August I believe | 12:47 |
| ryanakca | or september... it was a long long time ago... | 12:48 |
| Riddell | oh, that's ages ago :) | 12:48 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: what work would you be doing? | 12:48 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: is this duke of edinburgh or just a local school scheme? | 12:48 |
| allee | Riddell: but then we need the hal-system-storage-* scripts from added in edgy | 12:48 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: erm... in Ontario, to graduate, you need 40 volunteer hours | 12:48 |
| jdong | Riddell: bleh sorry my connection cut off. Well, just wanted to have your expert opinion on bug 65791 | 12:48 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 65791 in guidance "DPMS timeout restored incorrectly on login" [Unknown,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/65791 | 12:48 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: it's law :) | 12:48 |
| jdong | Riddell: I attached a very trivial patch that fixes it | 12:49 |
| jdong | Riddell: but I'm not sure if that's the way you guys want to fix it | 12:49 |
| jdong | either way, it's a really annoying issue for Edgy users and should be SRU'd | 12:49 |
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| Riddell | surely everyone accepts PGP signatures these days | 12:50 |
| Riddell | anyway, you didn't say what work you'd be doing | 12:51 |
| ryanakca | lol... I can ask my school... | 12:51 |
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| ryanakca | no... umm... packaging (I haven't been doing much recently... want to get back to it... starting with ktorrent)... NUN/Classroom stuff... | 12:52 |
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| Riddell | jdong: is that a bug in guidance or kde? or the combination of them both? | 12:52 |
| jdong | Riddell: just kde | 12:52 |
| jdong | Riddell: kenergy's fault | 12:53 |
| jdong | in kdebase | 12:53 |
| jdong | Riddell: I just removed the DPMSSetTimeouts() call from kenergy.cpp | 12:53 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: sounds great, I recommend using karm to measure the time and sending me activity reports from karm for each day you do stuff | 12:53 |
| ryanakca | kk | 12:53 |
| ryanakca | thanks :) | 12:54 |
| Riddell | jdong: has this patch been applied upstream? | 12:54 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: you know of a 'legal' style document describing PGP/GPG for my school? | 12:54 |
| jdong | Riddell: no, I made it through grepping trial-and-error | 12:54 |
| jdong | Riddell: unless guidance is used in official KDE to set DPMS rather than kenergy, it's a kubuntu-specific bug | 12:55 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: not off hand. I don't mind posting stuff if that's what is needed | 12:55 |
| Riddell | jdong: but you just said it's a bug in kenergy | 12:56 |
| jdong | Riddell: the bug is that in kubuntu, both kenergy and guidance-displaymanager are trying to set dpms timeouts | 12:57 |
| jdong | Riddell: if either one was acting by itself, this would not happen | 12:57 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: kk, well, I'll ask the person who's in charge of managing this stuff tommorow or whenever I next get a chance to talk to them. | 12:58 |
| ryanakca | s/them/her | 12:58 |
| Riddell | jdong: ok, so it's the combination | 12:59 |
| Riddell | jdong: I need to go to bed, this is on my todo to look at tomorrow | 12:59 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: my mum (teacher at my school) thinks it should be fine... thanks :) | 01:00 |
| Riddell | clever school | 01:01 |
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| jdong | Riddell: ok, cool | 01:01 |
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| ryanakca | lol | 01:02 |
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| jdong | ryanakca: I told you to not click that button in ethereal | 01:02 |
| jdong | :) | 01:02 |
| ryanakca | lol | 01:02 |
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| jdong | funny what you can make from a disposable camera :) | 01:05 |
| Lathiat | heh | 01:05 |
| ryanakca | EMP reset button? | 01:06 |
| ryanakca | is that another thing that the goverment has claimed and has put a price on the head of whoever looses it? | 01:07 |
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| jdong | ryanakca: no, it's a large capacitor attached to a commerical-grade electromagnet | 01:08 |
| jdong | upon discharging it'll induce significant voltage into any nearby circuitry | 01:08 |
| ryanakca | ah | 01:09 |
| jdong | it actually is capable of "pushing" some buttons | 01:09 |
| jdong | but is more popular for zapping sensitive circuitry | 01:09 |
| ryanakca | frying the circuit? | 01:09 |
| ryanakca | lol | 01:09 |
| jdong | (i.e. an RFID zapper) | 01:09 |
| ryanakca | that's what I thought :) | 01:09 |
| jdong | I accidentally destroyed an RFID ID badge with it | 01:09 |
| jdong | though it's not powerful enough to cause significant damage to major circuitry | 01:09 |
| ryanakca | ah | 01:11 |
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| jdong | no, I have family members who work for defense contractors | 01:12 |
| jdong | I meet quite a number of interesting people that way | 01:12 |
| jdong | (the future combat system's heads-up-display VNC server is fedora core ish, for example) | 01:12 |
| ryanakca | ah | 01:12 |
| ryanakca | cool | 01:13 |
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| ryanakca | jdong: ewww... it has debhelper rules... *wonders why people don't just use cdbs* | 01:45 |
| jdong | ryanakca: :) | 01:52 |
| ryanakca | what did they do? inline patch the thing? | 01:53 |
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| ryanakca | jdong: and why do we need to remove geoip? | 01:54 |
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| jdong | ryanakca: geoip.dat is non-free | 02:01 |
| jdong | ryanakca: read el changelog :) | 02:01 |
| ryanakca | ah | 02:01 |
| ryanakca | jdong: " appended "+dfsg" to base directory name" What's the point of that? | 02:21 |
| jdong | ryanakca: to show that's it's a repacked orig.tar.gz and not same as upstream's | 02:21 |
| ryanakca | ah, shall I do that then? | 02:21 |
| jdong | I don't know :) | 02:22 |
| ryanakca | or shall I remove that line from README.Debian | 02:22 |
| ryanakca | lol | 02:22 |
| jdong | maybe just do it | 02:22 |
| ryanakca | I'll take that as a yes | 02:22 |
| jdong | :) | 02:22 |
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| Tonio_ | hello | 01:31 |
| Riddell | hi Tonio_ | 01:31 |
| raphink | hi Tonio_ && Riddell | 01:32 |
| Riddell | hi raphink too | 01:32 |
| Tonio_ | hey guys | 01:32 |
| Riddell | Herd 1 is out! | 01:32 |
| raphink | good | 01:32 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: archives reopened ? | 01:32 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I have a bunch of uploads to perform :) | 01:33 |
| raphink | I'm going to be out soon, too | 01:33 |
| raphink | :) | 01:33 |
| raphink | got to go back to work :) | 01:33 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: yes | 01:33 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: great, uploading then | 01:34 |
| allee | Riddell: anyplan how to proceed with the can't-mount-usbstick-with-dapper-kde3.5.5? Pitti wrote that hal-system-storage-* where removed by policy in dapper. So adding them in kubuntu.org hal pkgs may have other sideeffects? | 01:36 |
| Tonio_ | allee: there is a test to perform | 01:36 |
| Tonio_ | allee: does the backport includes sime's patches ? | 01:37 |
| allee | Tonio_: Riddell said that there are in. I could not apt-get source the ~dapper2 pkgs but changelog does not mention their removal too. | 01:37 |
| Tonio_ | allee: where are the packages ? riddell's repo or backports ? | 01:37 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: then the issue is probably due to sime patches.... | 01:38 |
| allee | Tonio_: hal and 3.5.5 from kubuntu.org | 01:38 |
| Riddell | allee: try using the hal in the 3.5.4 archive | 01:39 |
| allee | Tonio_: maybe but with hal ... 8.1 and kde 3.5.5 ~dapper1 everything was find. After dist-upgrade to hal ..8.2 and kde ~source2 it didn't work. Downgrading 3.5.5 and hal did not solve the problem | 01:39 |
| allee | Riddell: I tried going back to hal ... 8.1 (that 3.5.4 afaik) did not help. | 01:39 |
| Tonio_ | allee: hum.... | 01:39 |
| allee | Maybe I better collect everything in a malone bug? Against hal and assigning to Kubuntu-team? | 01:40 |
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| allee | Tonio_: yeah, it's strange. I've check all hal release in dapper + kubntu.org and non had these scripts. But all fdi files listed them and are the same for all dapper revisions | 01:41 |
| allee | I've no idea why they are suddenly needed (even after downgradning and rebooting) | 01:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: just to be sure, if I did uploads when the archives were frozen, they are supposed to go in now right ? | 01:56 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: yes | 01:57 |
| Riddell | Dec 06 Anthony Mercata ( 60) [feisty-changes] Accepted kdebindings 4:3.5.5-1ubuntu1 (source) | 01:57 |
| Riddell | Dec 06 Anthony Mercata ( 65) [feisty-changes] Accepted kdeutils 4:3.5.5-1ubuntu2 (source) | 01:57 |
| Riddell | Dec 06 Anthony Mercata ( 43) [feisty-changes] Accepted kaffeine 0.8.3-0ubuntu1 (source) | 01:57 |
| Riddell | Dec 06 Anthony Mercata ( 43) [feisty-changes] Accepted dolphin 0.7.0-0ubuntu1 (source) | 01:57 |
| Tonio_ | okay so I'll have to sync kds with your addons since I did an upload and commit to bzr but the commit never got in..... | 01:57 |
| Riddell | Dec 06 Anthony Mercata ( 46) [feisty-changes] Accepted wengophone 2.0.0~rc5-svn8108-2ubuntu1 (source) | 01:57 |
| Tonio_ | don't understand why | 01:57 |
| Riddell | Dec 06 Anthony Mercata ( 43) [feisty-changes] Accepted kwlan 0.5.7-1ubuntu1 (source) | 01:57 |
| Riddell | erk | 01:58 |
| Lure | Riddell: should knetworkmanager be also in recomends (and not in depends) for kubuntu-desktop - I can imagine some people might want to uninstall it if it does not work for them | 01:58 |
| Riddell | I also did a k-d-s upload | 01:58 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ah ;) | 01:58 |
| Riddell | Lure: good idea | 01:58 |
| Tonio_ | maybe that'll conflict, but I don't mind, I'll resync with svn and had my changes | 01:58 |
| Lure | Riddell: should I just ping Mithrandir for suspend/hibernate disable on Live CD? | 01:59 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay my kds has been rejected, I'll resync with your changes | 02:00 |
| Riddell | Lure: you would do best to send him a patch to casper | 02:00 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: cool | 02:00 |
| Lure | Riddell: ok, will check how it is done for gnome-p-m and try to figure it out... | 02:01 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: does jabbin build correctly on amd64 ? | 02:34 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: dunno, my amd64 is out of action just now | 02:36 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ah okay ;) | 02:36 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: my vaio's back, I'm uploading guidance etc.... | 02:37 |
| Tonio_ | sony support is quick, that's cool :) | 02:37 |
| freeflying_ | Tonio_: why not merge kaffeine from sid? : | 02:43 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying I already uploaded latest kaffeine | 02:44 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying I don't merge from sid since we are packaging differently, we split the packages.... | 02:45 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying I just sync the patches | 02:45 |
| freeflying_ | Tonio_: ok, thanks | 02:45 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying you're welcome :) | 02:45 |
| freeflying_ | haven't seen jpartric for long long time, I'd upload kerry-0.2 next week | 02:46 |
| Riddell | he was around not too long ago, e-mail if you want to ask if he has any plans for kerry | 02:54 |
| === nixternal downloads herd 1 | ||
| gnomefreak | is shipit sending feisty cd when releeased or is it just dapper until LTS again? | 02:55 |
| freeflying_ | :) Tonio_ just uploaded kerry | 02:56 |
| nixternal | gnomefreak: they are supposedly working on a new shipit system. i think i just volunteered to test it, but im not 100% sure. im sure they will continue to ship dapper, but will offer Feisty as well | 02:57 |
| gnomefreak | good :) you think you offered to test it | 02:57 |
| gnomefreak | lol | 02:57 |
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| nixternal | ya, they asked for my address to test something. i hope it is something good..probably an empty box with a "test ping" in it ;) | 03:01 |
| Jucato | heh | 03:04 |
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| gnomefreak | hell they send me the cds and the ISO i will burn them for people too ;) | 03:10 |
| gnomefreak | but this 6-7 hour download of ISO is getting old | 03:11 |
| Jucato | rsync :) | 03:13 |
| gnomefreak | Jucato: not any faster | 03:13 |
| gnomefreak | still 30ish kps | 03:13 |
| Jucato | if you're starting from the edgy iso probably. | 03:13 |
| gnomefreak | no that is full iso | 03:13 |
| gnomefreak | 31.4 kps atm | 03:13 |
| Jucato | :( | 03:14 |
| gnomefreak | that what i get for getting DSL lite | 03:14 |
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| Tonio__ | Riddell: guidance ftbfs even with new updates... | 03:16 |
| Tonio__ | Riddell: here is the error : | 03:16 |
| Tonio__ | running checkpykde | 03:16 |
| Tonio__ | Error: Couldn't find module 'kparts'. | 03:16 |
| nixternal | 400kps here | 03:16 |
| Tonio__ | Riddell: am I missing new builddep required ? | 03:16 |
| Tonio__ | freeflying arf.... my package will probably be rejected then :) | 03:17 |
| freeflying_ | Tonio__: rejected? why :) | 03:18 |
| Tonio__ | cause I just uploaded kerry too :) | 03:18 |
| Riddell | Tonio__: dunno, sounds like a problem in the pykde package | 03:18 |
| Riddell | Tonio__: is it using python 2.4 or 2.5? | 03:19 |
| Tonio__ | Riddell: 2.4 | 03:20 |
| Riddell | do you have /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/kparts.so ? | 03:20 |
| freeflying_ | Tonio__: no one has uploaded, so needn't wory :) | 03:20 |
| Tonio__ | freeflying_: ah ! I missunderstood you then ;) | 03:20 |
| Riddell | >>> from kparts import * | 03:20 |
| Riddell | Traceback (most recent call last): | 03:20 |
| Riddell | File "<stdin>", line 1, in ? | 03:20 |
| Riddell | ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/kparts.so: undefined symbol: _ZNK14konsoleFactory9classNameEv | 03:20 |
| Riddell | hmm, not good | 03:20 |
| Tonio__ | Riddell: yeah just what I saw | 03:20 |
| gnomefreak | isnt update-manager installed in all systems? kde gnome ed. and x? | 03:21 |
| Tonio__ | gnomefreak: nope, we need to port it to qt/kde | 03:21 |
| Riddell | gnomefreak: no | 03:21 |
| Riddell | we already have adept-updater | 03:21 |
| Riddell | we need a kde update-tool | 03:21 |
| gnomefreak | Riddell: will it upgrade kubuntu versions? | 03:22 |
| Lure | Tonio_, Riddell: are config files in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/ copied to ~/.kde or used just as default (and overriden by ~/.kde)? | 03:22 |
| Riddell | gnomefreak: yes | 03:22 |
| gnomefreak | ok | 03:22 |
| Riddell | Lure: the latter | 03:22 |
| Riddell | see /etc/kderc | 03:22 |
| Jucato | something more than what adept_updater does, right? | 03:22 |
| Tonio__ | Lure: yeah, the ~ files are merged with kds ones with the priority given to ~ settings | 03:22 |
| Tonio__ | Jucato: yeah | 03:23 |
| Jucato | kool. badly needed :) | 03:23 |
| Tonio__ | Riddell: Have to go, I'll try to search toonight for that kparts.so issue unless you have already fixed it :) | 03:24 |
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| nixternal | the alternative partitioning is goofy. it is reporting SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) for an IDE PATA hard drive | 03:53 |
| Riddell | hi nixternal, thanks for doing the Herd1 page | 03:53 |
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| nixternal | no problem Riddell | 03:53 |
| nixternal | hopefully the Herd 2 page will be better. There wasn't much info available for the the Herd 1, hence its yuckyness (made that one up i think) | 03:54 |
| Riddell | I added a couple of things | 03:54 |
| Riddell | I also added a couple of things to the herd 2 page | 03:54 |
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| Riddell | I can't actually see anything much changed except artwork and branding http://www.debianadmin.com/xpresslinux-a-new-kubuntu-based-linux-operating-system-for-windows-users.html | 04:02 |
| nixternal | their wallpaper is somewhat refreshing looking | 04:05 |
| nixternal | im using pinheiro's christmas wally, i love the blues in it | 04:05 |
| nixternal | i don't like the submenus he did for system and utilities...that is the one thing i didn't like about the old debian menus, there were so many levels of submenus | 04:11 |
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| Riddell | yes, sub menus are evil | 04:12 |
| Riddell | unlike bddebian, who is lovely | 04:12 |
| nixternal | boo | 04:12 |
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| bddebian | Heh, Hi Riddell, nixternal | 04:13 |
| nixternal | well hello there | 04:13 |
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| pinheiro | moin | 04:34 |
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| nixternal | oh wow..im highly upset now. tonights class goes over WM and DE programming. it seems from the presentation the teacher is doing GNOME and not KDE | 05:10 |
| nixternal | so my task for tonight, is I will input a KDE bug in her ear | 05:10 |
| Jucato | class? | 05:13 |
| nixternal | college class | 05:13 |
| jdong | <sarcasm>why would she spend her time lecturing about a DE that nobody even uses</sarcasm> | 05:13 |
| jdong | ;-) | 05:13 |
| nixternal | haha | 05:13 |
| Jucato | oooh they teach those in class? kool! :) | 05:14 |
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| jdong | ooh | 05:15 |
| jdong | looks like it | 05:15 |
| nixternal | i just sent the teach an email | 05:16 |
| nixternal | <sarcasm>GNOME!</sarcasm> KDE FTW | 05:16 |
| Jucato | lol | 05:17 |
| jdong | "I spend every waking moment of my life nerdily working on this wonderful DE called KDE...." | 05:17 |
| nixternal | plus had to let her know that X11R7.1 is the official release now and not 7.0 | 05:17 |
| jdong | something like that? | 05:17 |
| nixternal | see for me, i can't tell where working ends and breaking begins, or even vice-versa | 05:17 |
| jdong | :) | 05:18 |
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| pinheiro | mhb: ping | 05:26 |
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| mhb | pinheiro: here | 05:59 |
| pinheiro | dou you hve the link | 06:00 |
| mhb | pinheiro: link? | 06:00 |
| mhb | pinheiro: for what? | 06:00 |
| pinheiro | the comparison | 06:00 |
| mhb | http://mhb.ath.cx/projects/oxygen2/comparison.php something is here but it's still on my machine so it's slow :OI | 06:01 |
| Riddell | mhb: nice | 06:03 |
| Riddell | what is the icon link box? | 06:03 |
| mhb | Riddell: export/import is not ready although the code is almost complete | 06:05 |
| mhb | Riddell: the link should have displayed an Oxygen icon on another Crystal icon | 06:06 |
| mhb | Riddell: like a duplicate ... but that's probably not necessary for you | 06:07 |
| Riddell | I don't quite follow | 06:07 |
| Riddell | it also needs fields for status and for description | 06:07 |
| Riddell | where status is New Use, New Icon or No Change | 06:08 |
| mhb | ok | 06:11 |
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| jdong | bleh ktorrent FTBFS make: docbook2x-man: Command not found | 06:20 |
| jdong | looks like missing build-dep | 06:20 |
| jdong | on docbook2x | 06:21 |
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| Riddell | ooh, launchpad sent me a notice that kdelibs failed to build, that's clever | 06:40 |
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| jjesse | did the kubuntu mtg get rescheuled? ik now there was some discussion on the mailing list | 07:19 |
| Riddell | jjesse: no | 07:20 |
| Riddell | I've not seen any discussion | 07:20 |
| jjesse | i thought hobbsee sent a msg that she will be gone and if we could postpone it? | 07:20 |
| fdoving | Riddell: looks like you changed something in the adept patch that made it FTBFS.. | 07:21 |
| Riddell | jjesse: ok, she did send a message | 07:22 |
| jjesse | because of a funeral | 07:22 |
| Riddell | but next week I won't be able to make it | 07:22 |
| jjesse | ah ok | 07:23 |
| nixternal | hiya jjesse | 07:23 |
| jjesse | hiya nixternal | 07:24 |
| toma | Riddell: +2 weeks then? | 07:26 |
| Lure | toma: or should we have one tommorow and one in two weeks? | 07:27 |
| toma | Lure: there is almost nothing on the agenda iirc | 07:27 |
| === mhb thinks it's too late for calling off the meeting tomorrow | ||
| jjesse | there is one person up for membership | 07:28 |
| jjesse | anywyas i was just wondering if i need to re=arrange my schedule for tomorrow or not | 07:29 |
| Riddell | toma: I may well not be around then either | 07:29 |
| Riddell | mhb: thursday, still two days away for most of us | 07:30 |
| Riddell | oh, erk, no | 07:30 |
| Riddell | where does the week go | 07:30 |
| jjesse | grin what planet do you live on :) | 07:30 |
| toma | utc is -19 now? | 07:31 |
| jjesse | umm i just use the timezone conversion link | 07:31 |
| toma | Riddell: then we need to move it to the first week of jan? | 07:32 |
| Riddell | toma: may as well just have one now, and one in january then | 07:32 |
| toma | Riddell: okay | 07:33 |
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| Riddell | seele: the language selector plan won't exactly work because it's qt 4, so I can't make a new kcontrol module until we're at kde 4 | 07:35 |
| Riddell | seele: so language selector needs to keep the Select System Default Language option | 07:36 |
| Riddell | seele: only now it looks a bit strange because you have an install function and a select function | 07:36 |
| Riddell | seele: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/language-selector-current.png | 07:36 |
| Riddell | seele: I was thinking about putting the select function above and separate from the install option http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/language-selector-new.png | 07:39 |
| seele | looking | 07:40 |
| seele | Riddell: yeah, that looks fine for now. putting it on top will do a world of wonders | 07:41 |
| Riddell | but maybe they should be different dialogues altogether, and the KDE language module should have three buttons "install language" "uninstall language" and "change system language" | 07:41 |
| seele | im confused, i thought you said select system default language had to be there? | 07:42 |
| Riddell | it has to be in the language selector package, because that's where the code is | 07:42 |
| Riddell | but there could be two different dialogues you could run | 07:43 |
| Riddell | currently I have it as qt-language-selector --mode install or uninstall | 07:43 |
| Riddell | but I could add a third mode for select language | 07:43 |
| seele | ah ok, so just separating the function out and putting a button in the module? | 07:43 |
| seele | what would the dialog look like? just instructions and that drop down menu? | 07:44 |
| Riddell | like the bit above the line in language-selector-new.png | 07:45 |
| Riddell | or the bit below the line for the install/uninstall modes | 07:45 |
| seele | yeah | 07:46 |
| Riddell | whenever I look at usability changes I can't help but have a mental conflict with what would be the easiest programming changes to make :) | 07:47 |
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| seele | lol | 07:47 |
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| seele | well if a usability change requires work which is not possible, its not much of a solution | 07:48 |
| seele | these screenshots help a lot to work out any issues before you go and code and find out its not going to work | 07:48 |
| Riddell | yes, qt designer is great like that :) | 07:49 |
| Riddell | thanks seele | 07:49 |
| seele | np | 07:49 |
| mhb | seele: hi | 07:58 |
| mhb | seele: I've read your blog entry about moving forward with grubconfig and I think that's a good idea :o) | 07:59 |
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| mhb | seele: I've also asked a few more people to comment your blog entry about it | 08:01 |
| nixternal | Riddell: bug 62927 - the setting of .pot name in debian/rules - does this fix that issue? or do the translations need to be added as a patch? | 08:02 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 62927 in gwenview "Untranslated strings gwenview (edgy)" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/62927 | 08:02 |
| Riddell | nixternal: I've no idea what would cause it not to have strings | 08:05 |
| Riddell | probably some funny Makefile.am rule that's not extracting them properly | 08:05 |
| seele | mhb: ok cool | 08:05 |
| Riddell | nixternal: what would you set in debian/rules? | 08:05 |
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| nixternal | the only thing i see set in debian/rules is -> export KUBUNTU_DESKTOP_POT=extragear-graphics_gwenview | 08:06 |
| Riddell | are some translations working though? | 08:09 |
| Riddell | or maybe only translations from upstream are working and not those from rosetta | 08:09 |
| nixternal | i don't see any translations | 08:09 |
| nixternal | maybe they are upstream. there is a i18n package upstream for 1.4.0 | 08:09 |
| nixternal | also seems that the export isn't working in debian/rules | 08:10 |
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| Riddell | seele: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/language-selector-select.png http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/language-selector-install.png | 08:29 |
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| seele | Riddell: can you change the widget in teh select dialog to look like the install interface? | 09:11 |
| seele | so you can see all the options without having to click the drop down? | 09:11 |
| Riddell | seele: could do, yes | 09:28 |
| fdoving | Riddell: slight modification of adept that FTBFS in feisty. *ubuntu3* from -> http://ubuntu.lnix.net/feisty/adept/ | 09:30 |
| Riddell | fdoving: what did you change? | 09:32 |
| fdoving | Riddell: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/feisty/adept/ubuntu2-ubuntu3.debdiff | 09:32 |
| fdoving | Riddell: removed the " " s.. | 09:32 |
| fdoving | don't know why I added those in the first place. | 09:32 |
| fdoving | probably survived because of my Makefile.in changes.. | 09:33 |
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| fdoving | .. that were mistakenly included in the patch. | 09:33 |
| Riddell | ah, cool | 09:33 |
| Riddell | well I'm kindae enjoying doing the language-selector spec and ignoring package breaks just now, but I'll get onto it tomorrow | 09:33 |
| Riddell | seele: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/language-selector-select2.png | 09:46 |
| sebas | It says Language Installer, but has a button "Set System Language"? | 09:48 |
| Riddell | good point | 09:52 |
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| GNUro | Hi | 09:54 |
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| ryanakca | jdong: kindof | 09:56 |
| ryanakca | jdong: I just need to put it threw pbuilder... if it builds is another matter | 09:57 |
| fdoving | Riddell: can you confirm bug 74431 | 09:58 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 74431 in kwin-style-crystal "[Feisty] Please sync kwin-style-crystal from Debian unstable (main)." [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/74431 | 09:58 |
| ryanakca | jdong: or wait... no, that's another package, sorry. I'm trying to remove GeoIP from ktorrent-2.1beta1+dfsg/plugins/infowidget/Makefile.in while leaving support for it if the users want to get a database for it | 09:59 |
| Riddell | fdoving: dnoe | 10:01 |
| Riddell | done | 10:01 |
| Lure | ryanakca: didn't Tonio | 10:02 |
| Lure | upload ktorrent beta1? | 10:02 |
| ryanakca | Lure: I dunno... jdong told me to package ktorrent-2.1beta1... | 10:03 |
| ryanakca | he had worked on it a bit, and then he gave it to me to finish | 10:03 |
| Lure | ryanakca: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/feisty-changes/2006-December/001777.html | 10:03 |
| Lure | ryanakca: it seems that more people were working on it... | 10:04 |
| ryanakca | heh | 10:05 |
| ryanakca | drats | 10:05 |
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| fdoving | Riddell: thanks. | 10:06 |
| Riddell | thank you | 10:06 |
| Riddell | fdoving: you put the ubuntu changelog in the sync request, I've been putting the debian changelog, I wonder what who's correct | 10:07 |
| seele | Riddell: yes, that looks good | 10:07 |
| seele | (other than the label sebas pointed out) | 10:07 |
| Riddell | I've already fixed that :) | 10:08 |
| ryanakca | hmm... http://www.yzis.org/downloadsfolder ... they already have a package for debian sid... what do I do? download the sources for it and then make sure they suit ubuntu standards, and pass it threw pbuilder to see if it builds for feisty? | 10:08 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: yes | 10:09 |
| ryanakca | kk | 10:09 |
| ryanakca | thanks | 10:09 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: and maybe change the debian version to 0ubuntu1 so if it gets uploaded to debian later we can still sync | 10:09 |
| fdoving | Riddell: i include the ubuntu changes after the last sync with debian. and the relevant debian changelogs. with links to the complete versions of both. Don't know if that's correct, i try to view it from the archive admins side.. to somehow easily compare changes, what overwrites what.. etc. we'll see. | 10:09 |
| ryanakca | well, it's not in debian... but they packaged it so that it works on debian... 'deb ftp://download.yzis.org/yzis ./' | 10:10 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: but if it later gets uploaded from debian we want to be able to sync it, which we can't if our version has a higher version number, e.g. debian -1 ubuntu -1ubuntu1 | 10:10 |
| ryanakca | ah | 10:11 |
| ryanakca | kk | 10:11 |
| fdoving | .. then you send the debdiff to the yzis.org guys :) | 10:16 |
| fdoving | hopefully they apply it, and debian will get the changes you did to the package, if it's uploaded to debian one day... (maybe.) | 10:16 |
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| Tonio__ | Riddell: I just installed dapper on my girlfriend's laptop and I noticed lots of issues with Sime's patches... | 10:32 |
| Tonio__ | Riddell: not any usb key was mounting... | 10:32 |
| Sime | Tonio__: *dapper*? | 10:33 |
| Tonio__ | Sime: yes | 10:33 |
| sebas | Sime: Got my email about linking problems? | 10:33 |
| Tonio__ | Sime: it looks like 3.5.5 on dapper includes your patches | 10:33 |
| sebas | Hoi, btw :> | 10:33 |
| Sime | Tonio__: I don't have any patches in dapper. | 10:33 |
| Tonio__ | but they don't work | 10:33 |
| Sime | Tonio__: oh | 10:33 |
| Tonio__ | Sime: use 3.5.5 ? | 10:33 |
| Sime | Tonio__: I'm on edgy | 10:34 |
| Tonio__ | Riddell: I also noticed the logout window shows the syspend and hybernate buttons, but the text is not translated, which is a bit nasty for a lts.... | 10:34 |
| Tonio__ | Riddell: shouldn't we remove all the edgy related patches on dapper packages ? that would make sense ! | 10:35 |
| jdong_ | Tonio__: allee was whining yesterday about kde 3.5.5/dapper and mounting | 10:35 |
| Sime | sebas: no | 10:35 |
| jdong_ | and Riddell: have you had any chance to look at that DPMS patch from yesterday? | 10:35 |
| ryanakca | fdoving: drats... first of all, you can't download the sources for their packages... second of all, the packages they have are from M1 I believe (April '04)... current release is M3 (which was release in February '05). | 10:35 |
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| jdong_ | bug 65791 | 10:35 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 65791 in guidance "DPMS timeout restored incorrectly on login" [Unknown,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/65791 | 10:35 |
| jdong_ | someone please do something :D | 10:35 |
| Tonio__ | jdong_: yes, but there are other issues, like the suspend/hybernate patch which should be removed too | 10:35 |
| Sime | jdong_: good work on finding that DPMS bug. | 10:36 |
| jdong_ | Sime: thanks :) | 10:36 |
| jdong_ | it was bugging me too much, had to go in and investigate | 10:36 |
| Tonio__ | Sime: talking about your patch, is there a way according to you to provide on the desktop icon the real name ? | 10:36 |
| jdong_ | ryanakca: did you see your ktorrent ftbfs needs b-d on docbook2x? | 10:36 |
| Tonio__ | Sime: "usbkey" isn't very clean on a french desktop :) | 10:36 |
| fdoving | ryanakca: i did yzis for hoary some time ago, it's probably useless with loads of bugs and all but anyway -> http://frode.kde.no/ubuntu/hoary/yzis/ | 10:37 |
| sebas | Sime: Hmok. Ik get the following when building the XScreensaver stuff | 10:37 |
| sebas | building 'ixf86misc' extension | 10:37 |
| sebas | gcc -pthread -shared build/temp.linux-i686-2.4/modules/ixf86misc.o -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 -lXxf86vm -lXext -lXrandr -lXrender -lXss -o build/lib.linux-i686-2.4/ixf86misc.so | 10:37 |
| Sime | Tonio_: that might have been tricky... | 10:37 |
| sebas | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXxf86vm | 10:37 |
| sebas | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status | 10:37 |
| Sime | sebas: Works Here | 10:38 |
| allee | jdong_: I'm still whining ;) | 10:38 |
| jdong_ | allee: well pardon me :D | 10:38 |
| sebas | Sime: Do I need to install extra libs? | 10:38 |
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| fdoving | Riddell: can you add me to the access list in #kubuntu-offtopic? i'm listed in !ops in there.. but can't do anything. | 10:38 |
| allee | jdong_: never :) | 10:38 |
| Tonio_ | allee: do you have issues about mounting or unmounting ? | 10:39 |
| sebas | Sime: I have libxss-dev, libxss1, libxxf86vm1 | 10:39 |
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| sebas | from Edgy | 10:39 |
| Tonio_ | allee: my problem is mounting, nothing come out | 10:39 |
| jdong_ | allee: well shall I start whining about where the unmount progress dialog went? | 10:39 |
| jdong_ | lol | 10:39 |
| jdong_ | debugging that one is out of my scope | 10:39 |
| allee | Tonio_: good question. pmount/pumount was always working and I never tried to umount a mounted USB disk | 10:40 |
| sebas | gcc -pthread -shared build/temp.linux-i686-2.4/modules/ixf86misc.o -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 -lXxf86vm -lXext -lXrandr -lXrender -lXss -o build/lib.linux-i686-2.4/ixf86misc.so | 10:40 |
| sebas | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXss | 10:40 |
| Tonio_ | allee: the thing is that when I select "open in konq" nothing comes out | 10:40 |
| sebas | Now, with libxxf86vm-dev installed. | 10:40 |
| Tonio_ | allee: and no icon on the desktop | 10:40 |
| Sime | sebas: libxxf86vm-dev package | 10:40 |
| Tonio_ | we really should remove those patches for dapper........ | 10:40 |
| allee | Tonio_: yes, mount via media action dialog did nothing. mount via rmb in media:/ showed Unknown Error | 10:41 |
| Tonio_ | allee: yes same here | 10:41 |
| sebas | Sime: got that one, now it complains about Xss | 10:41 |
| sebas | Nevermind, got it. | 10:42 |
| sebas | libxss-dev was also needed. Wonder why I didn't figure that out yesterday. | 10:42 |
| allee | Tonio_: copying hal-system-storage-mount from edgy to dapper fixed it. But pitti said hal-system-storage-* script were never in dapper (by policy) so I don't know it copying the script break otherr places | 10:42 |
| ryanakca | jdong_: no... | 10:42 |
| jdong_ | ryanakca: well yeah :) | 10:42 |
| Sime | sebas: libxss-dev package | 10:42 |
| Tonio_ | allee: hum........ kde changed the way to mount things ? | 10:43 |
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| Tonio_ | allee: doesn't make sense..... | 10:43 |
| fdoving | is this dapper+kde-from-kubuntu.org ? | 10:44 |
| Tonio_ | sebas: http://tonio.homelinux.org/tmp/kde-guidance_0.7.1~svn20061124.orig.tar.gz | 10:44 |
| Tonio_ | sebas: all you have to do is sync the icons with svn | 10:45 |
| Tonio_ | allee: don't get me wrong, but how did that work before 3.5.5 ? | 10:45 |
| Tonio_ | didn't that use hal-system-storage-mount on 3.5.3 ? | 10:46 |
| allee | Tonio_: that what puzzeles me. After downgrading hal to ..8.2 -> ...8.1 and kde 3.5.5 from ~dapper2 -> ~dapper1 it still did not work after reboot. But these versions worked before dist-upgrade. | 10:46 |
| allee | Tonio_: due to changelog nothing important ;) has changed between kdelibs 3.5.5~source2 and ~source1 | 10:47 |
| Tonio_ | allee: yeah but you said there was no hal-system-storage-* in dapper ever right ? | 10:47 |
| allee | Tonio_: yes. I've chech ..8 ..8.1 and 8.2 hals. Not those scripts. Pitti also said: never in dapper. Maybe in a beta version. But my host is a fresh post-dapper-release installtion | 10:48 |
| fdoving | nite. | 10:49 |
| Tonio_ | allee: hum, means that the way kde mounts things has changed between 3.5.3 and 3.5.5 then ? I'm a bit lost | 10:49 |
| allee | Tonio_: Maybe an interdiff of kdelibs would help. but apt-get source did not found them. And I was to tired | 10:49 |
| sebas | Sime: Hm, how do I init that thing? | 10:50 |
| sebas | [1] >>> import xf86misc | 10:50 |
| sebas | [2] >>> screen = xf86misc.XF86Screen(":0", 0) | 10:50 |
| sebas | [1] 29452 segmentation fault ipython | 10:50 |
| allee | Tonio_: no upgrade was from 3.5.5 ~dapper1 and ~dapper2 | 10:50 |
| Sime | sebas: there is example/test code in the xf86misc.py module itself. | 10:50 |
| allee | Tonio_: I'll boot the demohost and paste upgrade log ... | 10:51 |
| sebas | Sime: d'oh :D | 10:51 |
| sebas | I had seen that, and forgotten within the minute. | 10:51 |
| Tonio_ | allee: /msg ;) | 10:52 |
| allee | Tonio_: http://paste.debian.net/17941 | 10:53 |
| Tonio_ | allee: yeah okay I see that the change is simply between dapper1 and 2 | 10:54 |
| Tonio_ | but that's not what gets me lost in fact | 10:55 |
| gnomefreak | the prograss bars in k3b are not really visable in feisty | 10:55 |
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| Riddell | 22:28 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- An access level of [30] is required for [ACCESS ADD] on #kubuntu-offtopic | 11:29 |
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| Riddell | fdoving: seems not | 11:29 |
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| apokryphos | fdoving: I'll ping nalioth to get you on there | 11:32 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: thanks for the pykde fix, I can build guidance now, and just uploaded it | 11:35 |
| apokryphos | fdoving: hm, you're never in #kubuntu-offtopic ;-) | 11:35 |
| Riddell | err, you're welcome | 11:36 |
| Riddell | what fix? | 11:36 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: didn't you fix it ? | 11:36 |
| Riddell | dunno | 11:36 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I built it successfully 5 minutes ago........ | 11:37 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hm...... weird :) | 11:37 |
| Riddell | maybe you only just upgraded to 3.16.0-0ubuntu5 | 11:37 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm using french repos, that may explain indeed | 11:38 |
| apokryphos | ah, I see; the bot doesn't have a #kubuntu-offtopic specific factoid for ops, so it was still calling fdoving in there. Fixing now. | 11:46 |
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