=== jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:21] ryanakca: pong [12:24] ok, I have a fix for bug 65791 [12:24] Malone bug 65791 in guidance "DPMS timeout restored incorrectly on login" [Unknown,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/65791 [12:24] it is indeed caused by the DPMSSetTimeouts() line in kenergy of kdebase, Lure [12:24] *ahem* [12:24] Riddell: did you change anything with repect to USB memstick mouting in dapper kde 3.5.5 backports? [12:26] Riddell: mounting fails du to hal-system-storage-mount not found. But this script was never in dapper as pitti confirmed. So kde way to mount remomeable media must have changed, right? [12:27] ... during ~dapper1 -> ~dapper2 (despite the fact that the changelog shows no indication about this) [12:33] Riddell: ping [12:34] Riddell: ok, I got that thing for Kubuntu work counting towards my community service / volunteer hours for my High School diploma approved by my school... but, how would we measure the time? I need 40 hours... [12:35] Riddell: and do you want to sign a slip every x hours? or once the 40 are finished? === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@86-39-5-85.customer.fulladsl.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:47] nixternal: the bug was taken care of i filed one upstream and attached a few backtraces since they didnt like the first one. and i sent the bug you filed upstream [12:47] allee: yes, it'll have all the edgy changes [12:47] jdong: hi [12:47] ryanakca: have you spoken to me before about this? [12:47] Riddell: yes, in August I believe [12:48] or september... it was a long long time ago... [12:48] oh, that's ages ago :) [12:48] ryanakca: what work would you be doing? [12:48] ryanakca: is this duke of edinburgh or just a local school scheme? [12:48] Riddell: but then we need the hal-system-storage-* scripts from added in edgy [12:48] Riddell: erm... in Ontario, to graduate, you need 40 volunteer hours [12:48] Riddell: bleh sorry my connection cut off. Well, just wanted to have your expert opinion on bug 65791 [12:48] Malone bug 65791 in guidance "DPMS timeout restored incorrectly on login" [Unknown,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/65791 [12:48] Riddell: it's law :) [12:49] Riddell: I attached a very trivial patch that fixes it [12:49] Riddell: but I'm not sure if that's the way you guys want to fix it [12:49] either way, it's a really annoying issue for Edgy users and should be SRU'd === ryanakca thinks he should send Riddell some money for air-mail stamps as well :) [12:50] surely everyone accepts PGP signatures these days [12:51] anyway, you didn't say what work you'd be doing [12:51] lol... I can ask my school... === Hawkwind [n=SoS@ulteo/community-leader/Hawkwind] has joined #Kubuntu-Devel [12:52] no... umm... packaging (I haven't been doing much recently... want to get back to it... starting with ktorrent)... NUN/Classroom stuff... === jdong hugs ryanakca again for saying ktorrent [12:52] jdong: is that a bug in guidance or kde? or the combination of them both? [12:52] Riddell: just kde [12:53] Riddell: kenergy's fault [12:53] in kdebase [12:53] Riddell: I just removed the DPMSSetTimeouts() call from kenergy.cpp [12:53] ryanakca: sounds great, I recommend using karm to measure the time and sending me activity reports from karm for each day you do stuff [12:53] kk [12:54] thanks :) [12:54] jdong: has this patch been applied upstream? [12:54] Riddell: you know of a 'legal' style document describing PGP/GPG for my school? [12:54] Riddell: no, I made it through grepping trial-and-error [12:55] Riddell: unless guidance is used in official KDE to set DPMS rather than kenergy, it's a kubuntu-specific bug [12:55] ryanakca: not off hand. I don't mind posting stuff if that's what is needed [12:56] jdong: but you just said it's a bug in kenergy [12:57] Riddell: the bug is that in kubuntu, both kenergy and guidance-displaymanager are trying to set dpms timeouts [12:57] Riddell: if either one was acting by itself, this would not happen [12:58] Riddell: kk, well, I'll ask the person who's in charge of managing this stuff tommorow or whenever I next get a chance to talk to them. [12:58] s/them/her [12:59] jdong: ok, so it's the combination [12:59] jdong: I need to go to bed, this is on my todo to look at tomorrow [01:00] Riddell: my mum (teacher at my school) thinks it should be fine... thanks :) [01:01] clever school === crimsun [n=crimsun@dargo.trilug.org] has joined #kubuntu-devel === cmvo [n=cmvo@ex4.73a.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:01] Riddell: ok, cool === seaLne [n=seaLne@ubuntu/member/sealne] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:02] lol === tvo [n=tobi@5354FEE3.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hawkwind [n=SoS@ulteo/community-leader/Hawkwind] has joined #Kubuntu-Devel === GreyStar [n=SoS@ulteo/community-leader/Hawkwind] has joined #Kubuntu-Devel [01:02] ryanakca: I told you to not click that button in ethereal [01:02] :) [01:02] lol === ryanakca quickly pulls his hand away from the restart button on the freenode server === Lathiat sticky tapes over the button === jdong still has his EMP reset button :) [01:05] funny what you can make from a disposable camera :) [01:05] heh [01:06] EMP reset button? [01:07] is that another thing that the goverment has claimed and has put a price on the head of whoever looses it? === fdoving [n=frode@edge.lnix.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:08] ryanakca: no, it's a large capacitor attached to a commerical-grade electromagnet [01:08] upon discharging it'll induce significant voltage into any nearby circuitry [01:09] ah [01:09] it actually is capable of "pushing" some buttons [01:09] but is more popular for zapping sensitive circuitry [01:09] frying the circuit? [01:09] lol [01:09] (i.e. an RFID zapper) [01:09] that's what I thought :) [01:09] I accidentally destroyed an RFID ID badge with it [01:09] though it's not powerful enough to cause significant damage to major circuitry [01:11] ah === ryanakca presumes jdong works for the goverment seeing that he has a goverment owned laptop with classified information on it? [01:12] no, I have family members who work for defense contractors [01:12] I meet quite a number of interesting people that way [01:12] (the future combat system's heads-up-display VNC server is fedora core ish, for example) [01:12] ah [01:13] cool === lnxkde [n=vlos@206.248.110.144] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@210.5.113.13] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lengau [n=lengau@68.53.53.39] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === RadiantFire_ [n=ryan@unaffiliated/radiantfire] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hawkwind [n=SoS@ulteo/community-leader/Hawkwind] has joined #Kubuntu-Devel [01:45] jdong: ewww... it has debhelper rules... *wonders why people don't just use cdbs* [01:52] ryanakca: :) [01:53] what did they do? inline patch the thing? === ryanakca is trying to find the patch for geoip === abattoir_ [n=abattoir@cm57.omega18.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@211.154.174.45] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:54] jdong: and why do we need to remove geoip? === neoncode [n=neoncode@89.241.216.248] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:01] ryanakca: geoip.dat is non-free [02:01] ryanakca: read el changelog :) [02:01] ah [02:21] jdong: " appended "+dfsg" to base directory name" What's the point of that? 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[01:32] good [01:32] Riddell: archives reopened ? [01:33] Riddell: I have a bunch of uploads to perform :) [01:33] I'm going to be out soon, too [01:33] :) [01:33] got to go back to work :) [01:33] Tonio_: yes [01:34] Riddell: great, uploading then [01:36] Riddell: anyplan how to proceed with the can't-mount-usbstick-with-dapper-kde3.5.5? Pitti wrote that hal-system-storage-* where removed by policy in dapper. So adding them in kubuntu.org hal pkgs may have other sideeffects? [01:36] allee: there is a test to perform [01:37] allee: does the backport includes sime's patches ? [01:37] Tonio_: Riddell said that there are in. I could not apt-get source the ~dapper2 pkgs but changelog does not mention their removal too. [01:37] allee: where are the packages ? riddell's repo or backports ? [01:38] Riddell: then the issue is probably due to sime patches.... [01:38] Tonio_: hal and 3.5.5 from kubuntu.org [01:39] allee: try using the hal in the 3.5.4 archive [01:39] Tonio_: maybe but with hal ... 8.1 and kde 3.5.5 ~dapper1 everything was find. After dist-upgrade to hal ..8.2 and kde ~source2 it didn't work. Downgrading 3.5.5 and hal did not solve the problem [01:39] Riddell: I tried going back to hal ... 8.1 (that 3.5.4 afaik) did not help. [01:39] allee: hum.... [01:40] Maybe I better collect everything in a malone bug? Against hal and assigning to Kubuntu-team? === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:41] Tonio_: yeah, it's strange. I've check all hal release in dapper + kubntu.org and non had these scripts. But all fdi files listed them and are the same for all dapper revisions [01:42] I've no idea why they are suddenly needed (even after downgradning and rebooting) [01:56] Riddell: just to be sure, if I did uploads when the archives were frozen, they are supposed to go in now right ? [01:57] Tonio_: yes [01:57] Dec 06 Anthony Mercata ( 60) [feisty-changes] Accepted kdebindings 4:3.5.5-1ubuntu1 (source) [01:57] Dec 06 Anthony Mercata ( 65) [feisty-changes] Accepted kdeutils 4:3.5.5-1ubuntu2 (source) [01:57] Dec 06 Anthony Mercata ( 43) [feisty-changes] Accepted kaffeine 0.8.3-0ubuntu1 (source) [01:57] Dec 06 Anthony Mercata ( 43) [feisty-changes] Accepted dolphin 0.7.0-0ubuntu1 (source) [01:57] okay so I'll have to sync kds with your addons since I did an upload and commit to bzr but the commit never got in..... [01:57] Dec 06 Anthony Mercata ( 46) [feisty-changes] Accepted wengophone 2.0.0~rc5-svn8108-2ubuntu1 (source) [01:57] don't understand why [01:57] Dec 06 Anthony Mercata ( 43) [feisty-changes] Accepted kwlan 0.5.7-1ubuntu1 (source) [01:58] erk [01:58] Riddell: should knetworkmanager be also in recomends (and not in depends) for kubuntu-desktop - I can imagine some people might want to uninstall it if it does not work for them [01:58] I also did a k-d-s upload [01:58] Riddell: ah ;) [01:58] Lure: good idea [01:58] maybe that'll conflict, but I don't mind, I'll resync with svn and had my changes [01:59] Riddell: should I just ping Mithrandir for suspend/hibernate disable on Live CD? [02:00] Riddell: okay my kds has been rejected, I'll resync with your changes [02:00] Lure: you would do best to send him a patch to casper [02:00] Tonio_: cool [02:01] Riddell: ok, will check how it is done for gnome-p-m and try to figure it out... === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.48.106.67] has joined #kubuntu-devel === el [n=konversa@chello084113223098.5.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:34] Riddell: does jabbin build correctly on amd64 ? [02:36] Tonio_: dunno, my amd64 is out of action just now [02:36] Riddell: ah okay ;) [02:37] Riddell: my vaio's back, I'm uploading guidance etc.... [02:37] sony support is quick, that's cool :) [02:43] Tonio_: why not merge kaffeine from sid? : [02:44] freeflying I already uploaded latest kaffeine [02:45] freeflying I don't merge from sid since we are packaging differently, we split the packages.... [02:45] freeflying I just sync the patches [02:45] Tonio_: ok, thanks [02:45] freeflying you're welcome :) [02:46] haven't seen jpartric for long long time, I'd upload kerry-0.2 next week [02:54] he was around not too long ago, e-mail if you want to ask if he has any plans for kerry === nixternal downloads herd 1 [02:55] is shipit sending feisty cd when releeased or is it just dapper until LTS again? [02:56] :) Tonio_ just uploaded kerry [02:57] gnomefreak: they are supposedly working on a new shipit system. i think i just volunteered to test it, but im not 100% sure. im sure they will continue to ship dapper, but will offer Feisty as well [02:57] good :) you think you offered to test it [02:57] lol === RadiantFire [n=ryan@unaffiliated/radiantfire] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === RadiantFire [n=ryan@unaffiliated/radiantfire] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:01] ya, they asked for my address to test something. i hope it is something good..probably an empty box with a "test ping" in it ;) [03:04] heh === abattoir_ [n=abattoir@cm57.omega18.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:10] hell they send me the cds and the ISO i will burn them for people too ;) [03:11] but this 6-7 hour download of ISO is getting old [03:13] rsync :) [03:13] Jucato: not any faster [03:13] still 30ish kps [03:13] if you're starting from the edgy iso probably. [03:13] no that is full iso [03:13] 31.4 kps atm [03:14] :( [03:14] that what i get for getting DSL lite === marseillai [n=cyril@AMarseille-256-1-98-39.w90-10.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio__ [n=tonio@139.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:16] Riddell: guidance ftbfs even with new updates... [03:16] Riddell: here is the error : [03:16] running checkpykde [03:16] Error: Couldn't find module 'kparts'. [03:16] 400kps here [03:16] Riddell: am I missing new builddep required ? [03:17] freeflying arf.... my package will probably be rejected then :) [03:18] Tonio__: rejected? why :) [03:18] cause I just uploaded kerry too :) [03:18] Tonio__: dunno, sounds like a problem in the pykde package [03:19] Tonio__: is it using python 2.4 or 2.5? [03:20] Riddell: 2.4 [03:20] do you have /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/kparts.so ? [03:20] Tonio__: no one has uploaded, so needn't wory :) [03:20] freeflying_: ah ! I missunderstood you then ;) [03:20] >>> from kparts import * [03:20] Traceback (most recent call last): [03:20] File "", line 1, in ? [03:20] ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/kparts.so: undefined symbol: _ZNK14konsoleFactory9classNameEv [03:20] hmm, not good [03:20] Riddell: yeah just what I saw [03:21] isnt update-manager installed in all systems? kde gnome ed. and x? [03:21] gnomefreak: nope, we need to port it to qt/kde [03:21] gnomefreak: no [03:21] we already have adept-updater [03:21] we need a kde update-tool [03:22] Riddell: will it upgrade kubuntu versions? [03:22] Tonio_, Riddell: are config files in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/ copied to ~/.kde or used just as default (and overriden by ~/.kde)? [03:22] gnomefreak: yes [03:22] ok [03:22] Lure: the latter [03:22] see /etc/kderc [03:22] something more than what adept_updater does, right? [03:22] Lure: yeah, the ~ files are merged with kds ones with the priority given to ~ settings [03:23] Jucato: yeah [03:23] kool. badly needed :) [03:24] Riddell: Have to go, I'll try to search toonight for that kparts.so issue unless you have already fixed it :) === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:53] the alternative partitioning is goofy. it is reporting SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) for an IDE PATA hard drive [03:53] hi nixternal, thanks for doing the Herd1 page === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm57.omega18.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:53] no problem Riddell [03:54] hopefully the Herd 2 page will be better. There wasn't much info available for the the Herd 1, hence its yuckyness (made that one up i think) [03:54] I added a couple of things [03:54] I also added a couple of things to the herd 2 page === Riddell adds http://www.xpresslinux.com/ to KubuntuDerivedDistros [04:02] I can't actually see anything much changed except artwork and branding http://www.debianadmin.com/xpresslinux-a-new-kubuntu-based-linux-operating-system-for-windows-users.html [04:05] their wallpaper is somewhat refreshing looking [04:05] im using pinheiro's christmas wally, i love the blues in it [04:11] i don't like the submenus he did for system and utilities...that is the one thing i didn't like about the old debian menus, there were so many levels of submenus === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:12] yes, sub menus are evil [04:12] unlike bddebian, who is lovely [04:12] boo === nixternal waits patiently for bddebian's irc client to sync for a response [04:13] Heh, Hi Riddell, nixternal [04:13] well hello there === Jucato [n=jucato@58.69.161.249] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@58.69.161.249] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@vpnd084.ugent.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:34] moin === klerfayt [n=klerfayt@85.196.226.132] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong is now known as jdong_ === jdong_ is now known as jdong__ === jdong__ is now known as jdong === \sh is now known as \sh_away [05:10] oh wow..im highly upset now. tonights class goes over WM and DE programming. it seems from the presentation the teacher is doing GNOME and not KDE [05:10] so my task for tonight, is I will input a KDE bug in her ear [05:13] class? [05:13] college class [05:13] why would she spend her time lecturing about a DE that nobody even uses [05:13] ;-) [05:13] haha [05:14] oooh they teach those in class? kool! :) === jdong wonders if ryanakca ever succeeded packaging ktorrent.... [05:15] ooh [05:15] looks like it [05:16] i just sent the teach an email [05:16] GNOME! KDE FTW [05:17] lol [05:17] "I spend every waking moment of my life nerdily working on this wonderful DE called KDE...." [05:17] plus had to let her know that X11R7.1 is the official release now and not 7.0 [05:17] something like that? [05:17] see for me, i can't tell where working ends and breaking begins, or even vice-versa [05:18] :) === jdong checks if new ktorrent packaging still works in Dapper [05:26] mhb: ping === toma [n=toma@84-53-90-221.wxdsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === shnee [n=CurtyD13@cpe-65-24-168-255.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === superstoned [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel === shnee_ [n=CurtyD13@cpe-65-24-168-255.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:59] pinheiro: here [06:00] dou you hve the link [06:00] pinheiro: link? [06:00] pinheiro: for what? [06:00] the comparison [06:01] http://mhb.ath.cx/projects/oxygen2/comparison.php something is here but it's still on my machine so it's slow :OI [06:03] mhb: nice [06:03] what is the icon link box? [06:05] Riddell: export/import is not ready although the code is almost complete [06:06] Riddell: the link should have displayed an Oxygen icon on another Crystal icon [06:07] Riddell: like a duplicate ... but that's probably not necessary for you [06:07] I don't quite follow [06:07] it also needs fields for status and for description [06:08] where status is New Use, New Icon or No Change [06:11] ok === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === klerfayt [n=klerfayt@85.196.226.132] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:20] bleh ktorrent FTBFS make: docbook2x-man: Command not found [06:20] looks like missing build-dep [06:21] on docbook2x === Parkotron [n=parker@dyn129-100-97-220.bc.uwo.ca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === toma [n=toma@84-53-90-221.wxdsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@139.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:40] ooh, launchpad sent me a notice that kdelibs failed to build, that's clever === jpetso [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode [n=neoncode@89.242.223.185] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apokryphos [n=apokryph@87-194-86-227.bethere.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [i=keefejoh@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-195bb31eae8e3f2c] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:19] did the kubuntu mtg get rescheuled? ik now there was some discussion on the mailing list [07:20] jjesse: no [07:20] I've not seen any discussion [07:20] i thought hobbsee sent a msg that she will be gone and if we could postpone it? [07:21] Riddell: looks like you changed something in the adept patch that made it FTBFS.. [07:22] jjesse: ok, she did send a message [07:22] because of a funeral [07:22] but next week I won't be able to make it [07:23] ah ok [07:23] hiya jjesse [07:24] hiya nixternal [07:26] Riddell: +2 weeks then? [07:27] toma: or should we have one tommorow and one in two weeks? [07:27] Lure: there is almost nothing on the agenda iirc === mhb thinks it's too late for calling off the meeting tomorrow [07:28] there is one person up for membership [07:29] anywyas i was just wondering if i need to re=arrange my schedule for tomorrow or not [07:29] toma: I may well not be around then either [07:30] mhb: thursday, still two days away for most of us [07:30] oh, erk, no [07:30] where does the week go [07:30] grin what planet do you live on :) [07:31] utc is -19 now? [07:31] umm i just use the timezone conversion link [07:32] Riddell: then we need to move it to the first week of jan? [07:32] toma: may as well just have one now, and one in january then [07:33] Riddell: okay === Tonio__ [n=tonio@139.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:35] seele: the language selector plan won't exactly work because it's qt 4, so I can't make a new kcontrol module until we're at kde 4 [07:36] seele: so language selector needs to keep the Select System Default Language option [07:36] seele: only now it looks a bit strange because you have an install function and a select function [07:36] seele: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/language-selector-current.png [07:39] seele: I was thinking about putting the select function above and separate from the install option http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/language-selector-new.png [07:40] looking [07:41] Riddell: yeah, that looks fine for now. putting it on top will do a world of wonders [07:41] but maybe they should be different dialogues altogether, and the KDE language module should have three buttons "install language" "uninstall language" and "change system language" [07:42] im confused, i thought you said select system default language had to be there? [07:42] it has to be in the language selector package, because that's where the code is [07:43] but there could be two different dialogues you could run [07:43] currently I have it as qt-language-selector --mode install or uninstall [07:43] but I could add a third mode for select language [07:43] ah ok, so just separating the function out and putting a button in the module? [07:44] what would the dialog look like? just instructions and that drop down menu? [07:45] like the bit above the line in language-selector-new.png [07:45] or the bit below the line for the install/uninstall modes [07:46] yeah [07:47] whenever I look at usability changes I can't help but have a mental conflict with what would be the easiest programming changes to make :) === matus [n=Matus@vie-086-059-104-195.dsl.sil.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:47] lol === matus [n=Matus@vie-086-059-104-195.dsl.sil.at] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] [07:48] well if a usability change requires work which is not possible, its not much of a solution [07:48] these screenshots help a lot to work out any issues before you go and code and find out its not going to work [07:49] yes, qt designer is great like that :) [07:49] thanks seele [07:49] np [07:58] seele: hi [07:59] seele: I've read your blog entry about moving forward with grubconfig and I think that's a good idea :o) === joe3k [n=joe@p549412AA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:01] seele: I've also asked a few more people to comment your blog entry about it [08:02] Riddell: bug 62927 - the setting of .pot name in debian/rules - does this fix that issue? or do the translations need to be added as a patch? [08:02] Malone bug 62927 in gwenview "Untranslated strings gwenview (edgy)" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/62927 [08:05] nixternal: I've no idea what would cause it not to have strings [08:05] probably some funny Makefile.am rule that's not extracting them properly [08:05] mhb: ok cool [08:05] nixternal: what would you set in debian/rules? === hunger [n=tobias@p54A72D26.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:06] the only thing i see set in debian/rules is -> export KUBUNTU_DESKTOP_POT=extragear-graphics_gwenview [08:09] are some translations working though? [08:09] or maybe only translations from upstream are working and not those from rosetta [08:09] i don't see any translations [08:09] maybe they are upstream. there is a i18n package upstream for 1.4.0 [08:10] also seems that the export isn't working in debian/rules === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === cornelia [n=cornelia@p57A90840.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@86-39-5-85.customer.fulladsl.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:29] seele: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/language-selector-select.png http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/language-selector-install.png === el [n=konversa@chello084113223098.5.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel === toma [n=toma@84-53-90-221.wxdsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:11] Riddell: can you change the widget in teh select dialog to look like the install interface? [09:11] so you can see all the options without having to click the drop down? [09:28] seele: could do, yes [09:30] Riddell: slight modification of adept that FTBFS in feisty. *ubuntu3* from -> http://ubuntu.lnix.net/feisty/adept/ [09:32] fdoving: what did you change? [09:32] Riddell: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/feisty/adept/ubuntu2-ubuntu3.debdiff [09:32] Riddell: removed the " " s.. [09:32] don't know why I added those in the first place. [09:33] probably survived because of my Makefile.in changes.. === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:33] .. that were mistakenly included in the patch. [09:33] ah, cool [09:33] well I'm kindae enjoying doing the language-selector spec and ignoring package breaks just now, but I'll get onto it tomorrow [09:46] seele: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/language-selector-select2.png [09:48] It says Language Installer, but has a button "Set System Language"? [09:52] good point === GNUro [i=GNUro@gateway/tor/x-4ec4e94ab20ce2ac] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:54] Hi === shnee [n=CurtyD13@cpe-65-24-168-255.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:56] jdong: kindof [09:57] jdong: I just need to put it threw pbuilder... if it builds is another matter [09:58] Riddell: can you confirm bug 74431 [09:58] Malone bug 74431 in kwin-style-crystal "[Feisty] Please sync kwin-style-crystal from Debian unstable (main)." [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/74431 [09:59] jdong: or wait... no, that's another package, sorry. I'm trying to remove GeoIP from ktorrent-2.1beta1+dfsg/plugins/infowidget/Makefile.in while leaving support for it if the users want to get a database for it [10:01] fdoving: dnoe [10:01] done [10:02] ryanakca: didn't Tonio [10:02] upload ktorrent beta1? [10:03] Lure: I dunno... jdong told me to package ktorrent-2.1beta1... [10:03] he had worked on it a bit, and then he gave it to me to finish [10:03] ryanakca: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/feisty-changes/2006-December/001777.html [10:04] ryanakca: it seems that more people were working on it... [10:05] heh [10:05] drats === ryanakca pokes jdong with his not so pointy immitation of Hobbsee's pointy stick of doom [10:06] Riddell: thanks. [10:06] thank you [10:07] fdoving: you put the ubuntu changelog in the sync request, I've been putting the debian changelog, I wonder what who's correct [10:07] Riddell: yes, that looks good [10:07] (other than the label sebas pointed out) [10:08] I've already fixed that :) [10:08] hmm... http://www.yzis.org/downloadsfolder ... they already have a package for debian sid... what do I do? download the sources for it and then make sure they suit ubuntu standards, and pass it threw pbuilder to see if it builds for feisty? [10:09] ryanakca: yes [10:09] kk [10:09] thanks [10:09] ryanakca: and maybe change the debian version to 0ubuntu1 so if it gets uploaded to debian later we can still sync [10:09] Riddell: i include the ubuntu changes after the last sync with debian. and the relevant debian changelogs. with links to the complete versions of both. Don't know if that's correct, i try to view it from the archive admins side.. to somehow easily compare changes, what overwrites what.. etc. we'll see. [10:10] well, it's not in debian... but they packaged it so that it works on debian... 'deb ftp://download.yzis.org/yzis ./' [10:10] ryanakca: but if it later gets uploaded from debian we want to be able to sync it, which we can't if our version has a higher version number, e.g. debian -1 ubuntu -1ubuntu1 [10:11] ah [10:11] kk [10:16] .. then you send the debdiff to the yzis.org guys :) [10:16] hopefully they apply it, and debian will get the changes you did to the package, if it's uploaded to debian one day... (maybe.) === jdong_ [n=jdong@d192-24-18-234.col.wideopenwest.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong_ [n=jdong@d192-24-18-234.col.wideopenwest.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:32] Riddell: I just installed dapper on my girlfriend's laptop and I noticed lots of issues with Sime's patches... [10:32] Riddell: not any usb key was mounting... [10:33] Tonio__: *dapper*? [10:33] Sime: yes [10:33] Sime: Got my email about linking problems? [10:33] Sime: it looks like 3.5.5 on dapper includes your patches [10:33] Hoi, btw :> [10:33] Tonio__: I don't have any patches in dapper. [10:33] but they don't work [10:33] Tonio__: oh [10:33] Sime: use 3.5.5 ? [10:34] Tonio__: I'm on edgy [10:34] Riddell: I also noticed the logout window shows the syspend and hybernate buttons, but the text is not translated, which is a bit nasty for a lts.... [10:35] Riddell: shouldn't we remove all the edgy related patches on dapper packages ? that would make sense ! [10:35] Tonio__: allee was whining yesterday about kde 3.5.5/dapper and mounting [10:35] sebas: no [10:35] and Riddell: have you had any chance to look at that DPMS patch from yesterday? [10:35]