[12:21] <Riddell> ryanakca: pong
[12:24] <jdong> ok, I have a fix for bug 65791
[12:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65791 in guidance "DPMS timeout restored incorrectly on login" [Unknown,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65791
[12:24] <jdong> it is indeed caused by the DPMSSetTimeouts() line in kenergy of kdebase, Lure
[12:24] <jdong> *ahem*
[12:24] <allee> Riddell: did you change anything with repect to USB memstick mouting in dapper kde 3.5.5 backports?
[12:26] <allee> Riddell: mounting fails du to hal-system-storage-mount not found.  But this script was never in dapper as pitti confirmed.  So kde way to mount remomeable media must have changed, right?
[12:27] <allee> ... during ~dapper1 -> ~dapper2 (despite the fact that the changelog shows no indication about this)
[12:33] <jdong> Riddell: ping
[12:34] <ryanakca> Riddell: ok, I got that thing for Kubuntu work counting towards my community service / volunteer hours for my High School diploma approved by my school... but, how would we measure the time? I need 40 hours...
[12:35] <ryanakca> Riddell: and do you want to sign a slip every x hours? or once the 40 are finished?
[12:47] <gnomefreak> nixternal: the bug was taken care of i filed one upstream and attached a few backtraces since they didnt like the first one. and i sent the bug you filed upstream
[12:47] <Riddell> allee: yes, it'll have all the edgy changes
[12:47] <Riddell> jdong: hi
[12:47] <Riddell> ryanakca: have you spoken to me before about this?
[12:47] <ryanakca> Riddell: yes, in August I believe
[12:48] <ryanakca> or september... it was a long long time ago...
[12:48] <Riddell> oh, that's ages ago :)
[12:48] <Riddell> ryanakca: what work would you be doing?
[12:48] <Riddell> ryanakca: is this duke of edinburgh or just a local school scheme?
[12:48] <allee> Riddell: but then we need the hal-system-storage-* scripts from added in edgy
[12:48] <ryanakca> Riddell: erm... in Ontario, to graduate, you need 40 volunteer hours
[12:48] <jdong> Riddell: bleh sorry my connection cut off. Well, just wanted to have your expert opinion on bug 65791
[12:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65791 in guidance "DPMS timeout restored incorrectly on login" [Unknown,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65791
[12:48] <ryanakca> Riddell: it's law :)
[12:49] <jdong> Riddell: I attached a very trivial patch that fixes it
[12:49] <jdong> Riddell: but I'm not sure if that's the way you guys want to fix it
[12:49] <jdong> either way, it's a really annoying issue for Edgy users and should be SRU'd
[12:50] <Riddell> surely everyone accepts PGP signatures these days
[12:51] <Riddell> anyway, you didn't say what work you'd be doing
[12:51] <ryanakca> lol... I can ask my school...
[12:52] <ryanakca> no... umm... packaging (I haven't been doing much recently... want to get back to it... starting with ktorrent)... NUN/Classroom stuff...
[12:52] <Riddell> jdong: is that a bug in guidance or kde?  or the combination of them both?
[12:52] <jdong> Riddell: just kde
[12:53] <jdong> Riddell: kenergy's fault
[12:53] <jdong> in kdebase
[12:53] <jdong> Riddell: I just removed the DPMSSetTimeouts() call from kenergy.cpp
[12:53] <Riddell> ryanakca: sounds great, I recommend using karm to measure the time and sending me activity reports from karm for each day you do stuff
[12:53] <ryanakca> kk
[12:54] <ryanakca> thanks :)
[12:54] <Riddell> jdong: has this patch been applied upstream?
[12:54] <ryanakca> Riddell: you know of a 'legal' style document describing PGP/GPG for my school?
[12:54] <jdong> Riddell: no, I made it through grepping trial-and-error
[12:55] <jdong> Riddell: unless guidance is used in official KDE to set DPMS rather than kenergy, it's a kubuntu-specific bug
[12:55] <Riddell> ryanakca: not off hand.  I don't mind posting stuff if that's what is needed
[12:56] <Riddell> jdong: but you just said it's a bug in kenergy
[12:57] <jdong> Riddell: the bug is that in kubuntu, both kenergy and guidance-displaymanager are trying to set dpms timeouts
[12:57] <jdong> Riddell: if either one was acting by itself, this would not happen
[12:58] <ryanakca> Riddell: kk, well, I'll ask the person who's in charge of managing this stuff tommorow or whenever I next get a chance to talk to them.
[12:58] <ryanakca> s/them/her
[12:59] <Riddell> jdong: ok, so it's the combination
[12:59] <Riddell> jdong: I need to go to bed, this is on my todo to look at tomorrow
[01:00] <ryanakca> Riddell: my mum (teacher at my school) thinks it should be fine... thanks :)
[01:01] <Riddell> clever school
[01:01] <jdong> Riddell: ok, cool
[01:02] <ryanakca> lol
[01:02] <jdong> ryanakca: I told you to not click that button in ethereal
[01:02] <jdong> :)
[01:02] <ryanakca> lol
[01:05] <jdong> funny what you can make from a disposable camera :)
[01:05] <Lathiat> heh
[01:06] <ryanakca> EMP reset button?
[01:07] <ryanakca> is that another thing that the goverment has claimed and has put a price on the head of whoever looses it?
[01:08] <jdong> ryanakca: no, it's a large capacitor attached to a commerical-grade electromagnet
[01:08] <jdong> upon discharging it'll induce significant voltage into any nearby circuitry
[01:09] <ryanakca> ah
[01:09] <jdong> it actually is capable of "pushing" some buttons
[01:09] <jdong> but is more popular for zapping sensitive circuitry
[01:09] <ryanakca> frying the circuit?
[01:09] <ryanakca> lol
[01:09] <jdong> (i.e. an RFID zapper)
[01:09] <ryanakca> that's what I thought :)
[01:09] <jdong> I accidentally destroyed an RFID ID badge with it
[01:09] <jdong> though it's not powerful enough to cause significant damage to major circuitry
[01:11] <ryanakca> ah
[01:12] <jdong> no, I have family members who work for defense contractors
[01:12] <jdong> I meet quite a number of interesting people that way
[01:12] <jdong> (the future combat system's heads-up-display VNC server is fedora core ish, for example)
[01:12] <ryanakca> ah
[01:13] <ryanakca> cool
[01:45] <ryanakca> jdong: ewww... it has debhelper rules... *wonders why people don't just use cdbs*
[01:52] <jdong> ryanakca: :)
[01:53] <ryanakca> what did they do? inline patch the thing?
[01:54] <ryanakca> jdong: and why do we need to remove geoip?
[02:01] <jdong> ryanakca: geoip.dat is non-free
[02:01] <jdong> ryanakca: read el changelog :)
[02:01] <ryanakca> ah
[02:21] <ryanakca> jdong: "        appended "+dfsg" to base directory name" What's the point of that?
[02:21] <jdong> ryanakca: to show that's it's a repacked orig.tar.gz and not same as upstream's
[02:21] <ryanakca> ah, shall I do that then?
[02:22] <jdong> I don't know :)
[02:22] <ryanakca> or shall I remove that line from README.Debian
[02:22] <ryanakca> lol
[02:22] <jdong> maybe just do it
[02:22] <ryanakca> I'll take that as a yes
[02:22] <jdong> :)
[01:31] <Tonio_> hello
[01:31] <Riddell> hi Tonio_
[01:32] <raphink> hi Tonio_ && Riddell
[01:32] <Riddell> hi raphink too
[01:32] <Tonio_> hey guys
[01:32] <Riddell> Herd 1 is out!
[01:32] <raphink> good
[01:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: archives reopened ?
[01:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have a bunch of uploads to perform :)
[01:33] <raphink> I'm going to be out soon, too
[01:33] <raphink> :)
[01:33] <raphink> got to go back to work :)
[01:33] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes
[01:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: great, uploading then
[01:36] <allee> Riddell: anyplan how to proceed with the can't-mount-usbstick-with-dapper-kde3.5.5?  Pitti wrote that hal-system-storage-*  where removed by policy in dapper.  So adding them in kubuntu.org hal pkgs may have other sideeffects?
[01:36] <Tonio_> allee: there is a test to perform
[01:37] <Tonio_> allee: does the backport includes sime's patches ?
[01:37] <allee> Tonio_: Riddell said that there are in.  I could not apt-get source the ~dapper2 pkgs but changelog does not mention their removal too.
[01:37] <Tonio_> allee: where are the packages ? riddell's repo or backports ?
[01:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: then the issue is probably due to sime patches....
[01:38] <allee> Tonio_: hal and 3.5.5 from kubuntu.org
[01:39] <Riddell> allee: try using the hal in the 3.5.4 archive
[01:39] <allee> Tonio_: maybe but with hal ... 8.1 and kde 3.5.5 ~dapper1 everything was find.  After dist-upgrade to hal ..8.2 and kde ~source2 it didn't work.  Downgrading 3.5.5 and hal did not solve the problem
[01:39] <allee> Riddell: I tried going back to hal ... 8.1 (that 3.5.4 afaik) did not help.
[01:39] <Tonio_> allee: hum....
[01:40] <allee> Maybe I better collect everything in a malone bug?  Against hal and assigning to Kubuntu-team?
[01:41] <allee> Tonio_: yeah, it's strange.  I've check all hal release in dapper + kubntu.org and non had these scripts.  But all fdi files listed them and are the same for all dapper revisions
[01:42] <allee> I've no idea why they are suddenly needed (even after downgradning and rebooting)
[01:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: just to be sure, if I did uploads when the archives were frozen, they are supposed to go in now right ?
[01:57] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes
[01:57] <Riddell>  Dec 06 Anthony Mercata (  60) [feisty-changes]  Accepted kdebindings 4:3.5.5-1ubuntu1 (source)
[01:57] <Riddell>  Dec 06 Anthony Mercata (  65) [feisty-changes]  Accepted kdeutils 4:3.5.5-1ubuntu2 (source)
[01:57] <Riddell>   Dec 06 Anthony Mercata (  43) [feisty-changes]  Accepted kaffeine 0.8.3-0ubuntu1 (source)
[01:57] <Riddell>  Dec 06 Anthony Mercata (  43) [feisty-changes]  Accepted dolphin 0.7.0-0ubuntu1 (source)
[01:57] <Tonio_> okay so I'll have to sync kds with your addons since I did an upload and commit to bzr but the commit never got in.....
[01:57] <Riddell>  Dec 06 Anthony Mercata (  46) [feisty-changes]  Accepted wengophone 2.0.0~rc5-svn8108-2ubuntu1 (source)
[01:57] <Tonio_> don't understand why
[01:57] <Riddell>    Dec 06 Anthony Mercata (  43) [feisty-changes]  Accepted kwlan 0.5.7-1ubuntu1 (source)
[01:58] <Riddell> erk
[01:58] <Lure> Riddell: should knetworkmanager be also in recomends (and not in depends) for kubuntu-desktop - I can imagine some people might want to uninstall it if it does not work for them
[01:58] <Riddell> I also did a k-d-s upload
[01:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ;)
[01:58] <Riddell> Lure: good idea
[01:58] <Tonio_> maybe that'll conflict, but I don't mind, I'll resync with svn and had my changes
[01:59] <Lure> Riddell: should I just ping Mithrandir for suspend/hibernate disable on Live CD?
[02:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay my kds has been rejected, I'll resync with your changes
[02:00] <Riddell> Lure: you would do best to send him a patch to casper
[02:00] <Riddell> Tonio_: cool
[02:01] <Lure> Riddell: ok, will check how it is done for gnome-p-m and try to figure it out...
[02:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: does jabbin build correctly on amd64 ?
[02:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: dunno, my amd64 is out of action just now
[02:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah okay ;)
[02:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: my vaio's back, I'm uploading guidance etc....
[02:37] <Tonio_> sony support is quick, that's cool :)
[02:43] <freeflying_> Tonio_: why not merge kaffeine from sid?  :
[02:44] <Tonio_> freeflying I already uploaded latest kaffeine
[02:45] <Tonio_> freeflying I don't merge from sid since we are packaging differently, we split the packages....
[02:45] <Tonio_> freeflying I just sync the patches
[02:45] <freeflying_> Tonio_: ok, thanks
[02:45] <Tonio_> freeflying you're welcome :)
[02:46] <freeflying_> haven't seen jpartric for long long time, I'd upload kerry-0.2 next week
[02:54] <Riddell> he was around not too long ago, e-mail if you want to ask if he has any plans for kerry
[02:55] <gnomefreak> is shipit sending feisty cd when releeased or is it just dapper until LTS again?
[02:56] <freeflying_> :) Tonio_ just uploaded kerry
[02:57] <nixternal> gnomefreak: they are supposedly working on a new shipit system. i think i just volunteered to test it, but im not 100% sure. im sure they will continue to ship dapper, but will offer Feisty as well
[02:57] <gnomefreak> good :) you think you offered to test it
[02:57] <gnomefreak> lol
[03:01] <nixternal> ya, they asked for my address to test something. i hope it is something good..probably an empty box with a "test ping" in it ;)
[03:04] <Jucato> heh
[03:10] <gnomefreak> hell they send me the cds and the ISO i will burn them for people too ;)
[03:11] <gnomefreak> but this 6-7 hour download of ISO is getting old
[03:13] <Jucato> rsync :)
[03:13] <gnomefreak> Jucato: not any faster
[03:13] <gnomefreak> still 30ish kps
[03:13] <Jucato> if you're starting from the edgy iso probably.
[03:13] <gnomefreak> no that is full iso
[03:13] <gnomefreak> 31.4 kps atm
[03:14] <Jucato> :(
[03:14] <gnomefreak> that what i get for getting DSL lite
[03:16] <Tonio__> Riddell: guidance ftbfs even with new updates...
[03:16] <Tonio__> Riddell: here is the error :
[03:16] <Tonio__> running checkpykde
[03:16] <Tonio__> Error: Couldn't find module 'kparts'.
[03:16] <nixternal> 400kps here
[03:16] <Tonio__> Riddell: am I missing new builddep required ?
[03:17] <Tonio__> freeflying arf.... my package will probably be rejected then :)
[03:18] <freeflying_> Tonio__: rejected? why :)
[03:18] <Tonio__> cause I just uploaded kerry too :)
[03:18] <Riddell> Tonio__: dunno, sounds like a problem in the pykde package
[03:19] <Riddell> Tonio__: is it using python 2.4 or 2.5?
[03:20] <Tonio__> Riddell: 2.4
[03:20] <Riddell> do you have /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/kparts.so ?
[03:20] <freeflying_> Tonio__: no one has uploaded, so needn't wory :)
[03:20] <Tonio__> freeflying_: ah ! I missunderstood you then ;)
[03:20] <Riddell> >>> from kparts import *
[03:20] <Riddell> Traceback (most recent call last):
[03:20] <Riddell>   File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?
[03:20] <Riddell> ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/kparts.so: undefined symbol: _ZNK14konsoleFactory9classNameEv
[03:20] <Riddell> hmm, not good
[03:20] <Tonio__> Riddell: yeah just what I saw
[03:21] <gnomefreak> isnt update-manager installed in all systems? kde gnome ed. and x?
[03:21] <Tonio__> gnomefreak: nope, we need to port it to qt/kde
[03:21] <Riddell> gnomefreak: no
[03:21] <Riddell> we already have adept-updater
[03:21] <Riddell> we need a kde update-tool
[03:22] <gnomefreak> Riddell: will it upgrade kubuntu versions?
[03:22] <Lure> Tonio_, Riddell: are config files in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/ copied to ~/.kde or used just as default (and overriden by ~/.kde)?
[03:22] <Riddell> gnomefreak: yes
[03:22] <gnomefreak> ok
[03:22] <Riddell> Lure: the latter
[03:22] <Riddell> see /etc/kderc
[03:22] <Jucato> something more than what adept_updater does, right?
[03:22] <Tonio__> Lure: yeah, the ~ files are merged with kds ones with the priority given to ~ settings
[03:23] <Tonio__> Jucato: yeah
[03:23] <Jucato> kool. badly needed :)
[03:24] <Tonio__> Riddell: Have to go, I'll try to search toonight for that kparts.so issue unless you have already fixed it :)
[03:53] <nixternal> the alternative partitioning is goofy. it is reporting SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) for an IDE PATA hard drive
[03:53] <Riddell> hi nixternal, thanks for doing the Herd1 page
[03:53] <nixternal> no problem Riddell
[03:54] <nixternal> hopefully the Herd 2 page will be better. There wasn't much info available for the the Herd 1, hence its yuckyness (made that one up i think)
[03:54] <Riddell> I added a couple of things
[03:54] <Riddell> I also added a couple of things to the herd 2 page
[04:02] <Riddell> I can't actually see anything much changed except artwork and branding http://www.debianadmin.com/xpresslinux-a-new-kubuntu-based-linux-operating-system-for-windows-users.html
[04:05] <nixternal> their wallpaper is somewhat refreshing looking
[04:05] <nixternal> im using pinheiro's christmas wally, i love the blues in it
[04:11] <nixternal> i don't like the submenus he did for system and utilities...that is the one thing i didn't like about the old debian menus, there were so many levels of submenus
[04:12] <Riddell> yes, sub menus are evil
[04:12] <Riddell> unlike bddebian, who is lovely
[04:12] <nixternal> boo
[04:13] <bddebian> Heh, Hi Riddell, nixternal
[04:13] <nixternal> well hello there
[04:34] <pinheiro> moin
[05:10] <nixternal> oh wow..im highly upset now. tonights class goes over WM and DE programming. it seems from the presentation the teacher is doing GNOME and not KDE
[05:10] <nixternal> so my task for tonight, is I will input a KDE bug in her ear
[05:13] <Jucato> class?
[05:13] <nixternal> college class
why would she spend her time lecturing about a DE that nobody even uses</sarcasm>
[05:13] <jdong> ;-)
[05:13] <nixternal> haha
[05:14] <Jucato> oooh they teach those in class? kool! :)
[05:15] <jdong> ooh
[05:15] <jdong> looks like it
[05:16] <nixternal> i just sent the teach an email
 KDE FTW
[05:17] <Jucato> lol
[05:17] <jdong> "I spend every waking moment of my life nerdily working on this wonderful DE called KDE...."
[05:17] <nixternal> plus had to let her know that X11R7.1 is the official release now and not 7.0
[05:17] <jdong> something like that?
[05:17] <nixternal> see for me, i can't tell where working ends and breaking begins, or even vice-versa
[05:18] <jdong> :)
[05:26] <pinheiro> mhb: ping
[05:59] <mhb> pinheiro: here
[06:00] <pinheiro> dou you hve the link
[06:00] <mhb> pinheiro: link?
[06:00] <mhb> pinheiro: for what?
[06:00] <pinheiro> the comparison
[06:01] <mhb> http://mhb.ath.cx/projects/oxygen2/comparison.php something is here but it's still on my machine so it's slow :OI
[06:03] <Riddell> mhb: nice
[06:03] <Riddell> what is the icon link box?
[06:05] <mhb> Riddell: export/import is not ready although the code is almost complete
[06:06] <mhb> Riddell: the link should have displayed an Oxygen icon on another Crystal icon
[06:07] <mhb> Riddell: like a duplicate ... but that's probably not necessary for you
[06:07] <Riddell> I don't quite follow
[06:07] <Riddell> it also needs fields for status and for description
[06:08] <Riddell> where status is New Use, New Icon or No Change
[06:11] <mhb> ok
[06:20] <jdong> bleh ktorrent FTBFS make: docbook2x-man: Command not found
[06:20] <jdong> looks like missing build-dep
[06:21] <jdong> on docbook2x
[06:40] <Riddell> ooh, launchpad sent me a notice that kdelibs failed to build, that's clever
[07:19] <jjesse> did the kubuntu mtg get rescheuled?  ik now there was some discussion on the mailing list
[07:20] <Riddell> jjesse: no
[07:20] <Riddell> I've not seen any discussion
[07:20] <jjesse> i thought hobbsee sent a msg that she will be gone and if we could postpone it?
[07:21] <fdoving> Riddell: looks like you changed something in the adept patch that made it FTBFS..
[07:22] <Riddell> jjesse: ok, she did send a message
[07:22] <jjesse> because of a funeral
[07:22] <Riddell> but next week I won't be able to make it
[07:23] <jjesse> ah ok
[07:23] <nixternal> hiya jjesse
[07:24] <jjesse> hiya nixternal
[07:26] <toma> Riddell: +2 weeks then?
[07:27] <Lure> toma: or should we have one tommorow and one in two weeks?
[07:27] <toma> Lure: there is almost nothing on the agenda iirc
[07:28] <jjesse> there is one person up for membership
[07:29] <jjesse> anywyas i was just wondering if i need to re=arrange my schedule for tomorrow or not
[07:29] <Riddell> toma: I may well not be around then either
[07:30] <Riddell> mhb: thursday, still two days away for most of us
[07:30] <Riddell> oh, erk, no
[07:30] <Riddell> where does the week go
[07:30] <jjesse> grin what planet do you live on :)
[07:31] <toma> utc is -19 now?
[07:31] <jjesse> umm i just use the timezone conversion link
[07:32] <toma> Riddell: then we need to move it to the first week of jan?
[07:32] <Riddell> toma: may as well just have one now, and one in january then
[07:33] <toma> Riddell: okay
[07:35] <Riddell> seele: the language selector plan won't exactly work because it's qt 4, so I can't make a new kcontrol module until we're at kde 4
[07:36] <Riddell> seele: so language selector needs to keep the Select System Default Language option
[07:36] <Riddell> seele: only now it looks a bit strange because you have an install function and a select function
[07:36] <Riddell> seele: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/language-selector-current.png
[07:39] <Riddell> seele: I was thinking about putting the select function above and separate from the install option http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/language-selector-new.png
[07:40] <seele> looking
[07:41] <seele> Riddell: yeah, that looks fine for now.  putting it on top will do a world of wonders
[07:41] <Riddell> but maybe they should be different dialogues altogether, and the KDE language module should have three buttons "install language" "uninstall language" and "change system language"
[07:42] <seele> im confused, i thought you said select system default language had to be there?
[07:42] <Riddell> it has to be in the language selector package, because that's where the code is
[07:43] <Riddell> but there could be two different dialogues you could run
[07:43] <Riddell> currently I have it as  qt-language-selector --mode install  or uninstall
[07:43] <Riddell> but I could add a third mode for select language
[07:43] <seele> ah ok, so just separating the function out and putting a button in the module?
[07:44] <seele> what would the dialog look like?  just instructions and that drop down menu?
[07:45] <Riddell> like the bit above the line in language-selector-new.png
[07:45] <Riddell> or the bit below the line for the install/uninstall modes
[07:46] <seele> yeah
[07:47] <Riddell> whenever I look at usability changes I can't help but have a mental conflict with what would be the easiest programming changes to make :)
[07:47] <seele> lol
[07:48] <seele> well if a usability change requires work which is not possible, its not much of a solution
[07:48] <seele> these screenshots help a lot to work out any issues before you go and code and find out its not going to work
[07:49] <Riddell> yes, qt designer is great like that :)
[07:49] <Riddell> thanks seele
[07:49] <seele> np
[07:58] <mhb> seele: hi
[07:59] <mhb> seele: I've read your blog entry about moving forward with grubconfig and I think that's a good idea :o)
[08:01] <mhb> seele: I've also asked a few more people to comment your blog entry about it
[08:02] <nixternal> Riddell: bug 62927 - the setting of .pot name in debian/rules - does this fix that issue? or do the translations need to be added as a patch?
[08:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62927 in gwenview "Untranslated strings gwenview (edgy)" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62927
[08:05] <Riddell> nixternal: I've no idea what would cause it not to have strings
[08:05] <Riddell> probably some funny Makefile.am rule that's not extracting them properly
[08:05] <seele> mhb: ok cool
[08:05] <Riddell> nixternal: what would you set in debian/rules?
[08:06] <nixternal> the only thing i see set in debian/rules is -> export KUBUNTU_DESKTOP_POT=extragear-graphics_gwenview
[08:09] <Riddell> are some translations working though?
[08:09] <Riddell> or maybe only translations from upstream are working and not those from rosetta
[08:09] <nixternal> i don't see any translations
[08:09] <nixternal> maybe they are upstream. there is a i18n package upstream for 1.4.0
[08:10] <nixternal> also seems that the export isn't working in debian/rules
[08:29] <Riddell> seele: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/language-selector-select.png  http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/language-selector-install.png
[09:11] <seele> Riddell: can you change the widget in teh select dialog to look like the install interface?
[09:11] <seele> so you can see all the options without having to click the drop down?
[09:28] <Riddell> seele: could do, yes
[09:30] <fdoving> Riddell: slight modification of adept that FTBFS in feisty. *ubuntu3* from -> http://ubuntu.lnix.net/feisty/adept/
[09:32] <Riddell> fdoving: what did you change?
[09:32] <fdoving> Riddell: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/feisty/adept/ubuntu2-ubuntu3.debdiff
[09:32] <fdoving> Riddell: removed the " " s..
[09:32] <fdoving> don't know why I added those in the first place.
[09:33] <fdoving> probably survived because of my Makefile.in changes..
[09:33] <fdoving> .. that were mistakenly included in the patch.
[09:33] <Riddell> ah, cool
[09:33] <Riddell> well I'm kindae enjoying doing the language-selector spec and ignoring package breaks just now, but I'll get onto it tomorrow
[09:46] <Riddell> seele: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/language-selector-select2.png
[09:48] <sebas> It says Language Installer, but has a button "Set System Language"?
[09:52] <Riddell> good point
[09:54] <GNUro> Hi
[09:56] <ryanakca> jdong: kindof
[09:57] <ryanakca> jdong: I just need to put it threw pbuilder... if it builds is another matter
[09:58] <fdoving> Riddell: can you confirm bug 74431
[09:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74431 in kwin-style-crystal "[Feisty]  Please sync kwin-style-crystal from Debian unstable (main)." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74431
[09:59] <ryanakca> jdong: or wait... no, that's another package, sorry.  I'm trying to remove GeoIP from ktorrent-2.1beta1+dfsg/plugins/infowidget/Makefile.in while leaving support for it if the users want to get a database for it
[10:01] <Riddell> fdoving: dnoe
[10:01] <Riddell> done
[10:02] <Lure> ryanakca: didn't Tonio
[10:02] <Lure> upload ktorrent beta1?
[10:03] <ryanakca> Lure: I dunno... jdong told me to package ktorrent-2.1beta1...
[10:03] <ryanakca> he had worked on it a bit, and then he gave it to me to finish
[10:03] <Lure> ryanakca: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/feisty-changes/2006-December/001777.html
[10:04] <Lure> ryanakca: it seems that more people were working on it...
[10:05] <ryanakca> heh
[10:05] <ryanakca> drats
[10:06] <fdoving> Riddell: thanks.
[10:06] <Riddell> thank you
[10:07] <Riddell> fdoving: you put the ubuntu changelog in the sync request, I've been putting the debian changelog, I wonder what who's correct
[10:07] <seele> Riddell: yes, that looks good
[10:07] <seele> (other than the label sebas pointed out)
[10:08] <Riddell> I've already fixed that :)
[10:08] <ryanakca> hmm... http://www.yzis.org/downloadsfolder ... they already have a package for debian sid... what do I do? download the sources for it and then make sure they suit ubuntu standards, and pass it threw pbuilder to see if it builds for feisty?
[10:09] <Riddell> ryanakca: yes
[10:09] <ryanakca> kk
[10:09] <ryanakca> thanks
[10:09] <Riddell> ryanakca: and maybe change the debian version to 0ubuntu1 so if it gets uploaded to debian later we can still sync
[10:09] <fdoving> Riddell: i include the ubuntu changes after the last sync with debian. and the relevant debian changelogs. with links to the complete versions of both. Don't know if that's correct, i try to view it from the archive admins side.. to somehow easily compare changes, what overwrites what.. etc. we'll see.
[10:10] <ryanakca> well, it's not in debian... but they packaged it so that it works on debian... 'deb ftp://download.yzis.org/yzis ./'
[10:10] <Riddell> ryanakca: but if it later gets uploaded from debian we want to be able to sync it, which we can't if our version has a higher version number, e.g. debian -1 ubuntu -1ubuntu1
[10:11] <ryanakca> ah
[10:11] <ryanakca> kk
[10:16] <fdoving> .. then you send the debdiff to the yzis.org guys :)
[10:16] <fdoving> hopefully they apply it, and debian will get the changes you did to the package, if it's uploaded to debian one day... (maybe.)
[10:32] <Tonio__> Riddell: I just installed dapper on my girlfriend's laptop and I noticed lots of issues with Sime's patches...
[10:32] <Tonio__> Riddell: not any usb key was mounting...
[10:33] <Sime> Tonio__: *dapper*?
[10:33] <Tonio__> Sime: yes
[10:33] <sebas> Sime: Got my email about linking problems?
[10:33] <Tonio__> Sime: it looks like 3.5.5 on dapper includes your patches
[10:33] <sebas> Hoi, btw :>
[10:33] <Sime> Tonio__: I don't have any patches in dapper.
[10:33] <Tonio__> but they don't work
[10:33] <Sime> Tonio__: oh
[10:33] <Tonio__> Sime: use 3.5.5 ?
[10:34] <Sime> Tonio__: I'm on edgy
[10:34] <Tonio__> Riddell: I also noticed the logout window shows the syspend and hybernate buttons, but the text is not translated, which is a bit nasty for a lts....
[10:35] <Tonio__> Riddell: shouldn't we remove all the edgy related patches on dapper packages ? that would make sense !
[10:35] <jdong_> Tonio__: allee was whining yesterday about kde 3.5.5/dapper and mounting
[10:35] <Sime> sebas: no
[10:35] <jdong_> and Riddell: have you had any chance to look at that DPMS patch from yesterday?
[10:35] <ryanakca> fdoving: drats... first of all, you can't download the sources for their packages... second of all, the packages they have are from M1 I believe (April '04)... current release is M3 (which was release in February '05).
[10:35] <jdong_> bug 65791
[10:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65791 in guidance "DPMS timeout restored incorrectly on login" [Unknown,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65791
[10:35] <jdong_> someone please do something :D
[10:35] <Tonio__> jdong_: yes, but there are other issues, like the suspend/hybernate patch which should be removed too
[10:36] <Sime> jdong_: good work on finding that DPMS bug.
[10:36] <jdong_> Sime: thanks :)
[10:36] <jdong_> it was bugging me too much, had to go in and investigate
[10:36] <Tonio__> Sime: talking about your patch, is there a way according to you to provide on the desktop icon the real name ?
[10:36] <jdong_> ryanakca: did you see your ktorrent ftbfs needs b-d on docbook2x?
[10:36] <Tonio__> Sime: "usbkey" isn't very clean on a french desktop :)
[10:37] <fdoving> ryanakca: i did yzis for hoary some time ago, it's probably useless with loads of bugs and all but anyway -> http://frode.kde.no/ubuntu/hoary/yzis/
[10:37] <sebas> Sime: Hmok. Ik get the following when building the XScreensaver stuff
[10:37] <sebas> building 'ixf86misc' extension
[10:37] <sebas> gcc -pthread -shared build/temp.linux-i686-2.4/modules/ixf86misc.o -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 -lXxf86vm -lXext -lXrandr -lXrender -lXss -o build/lib.linux-i686-2.4/ixf86misc.so
[10:37] <Sime> Tonio_: that might have been tricky...
[10:37] <sebas> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXxf86vm
[10:37] <sebas> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[10:38] <Sime> sebas: Works Here
[10:38] <allee> jdong_: I'm still whining ;)
[10:38] <jdong_> allee: well pardon me :D
[10:38] <sebas> Sime: Do I need to install extra libs?
[10:38] <fdoving> Riddell: can you add me to the access list in #kubuntu-offtopic? i'm listed in !ops in there.. but can't do anything.
[10:38] <allee> jdong_: never :)
[10:39] <Tonio_> allee: do you have issues about mounting or unmounting ?
[10:39] <sebas> Sime: I have libxss-dev, libxss1, libxxf86vm1
[10:39] <sebas> from Edgy
[10:39] <Tonio_> allee: my problem is mounting, nothing come out
[10:39] <jdong_> allee: well shall I start whining about where the unmount progress dialog went?
[10:39] <jdong_> lol
[10:39] <jdong_> debugging that one is out of my scope
[10:40] <allee> Tonio_: good question.  pmount/pumount was always working and I never tried to umount a mounted USB disk
[10:40] <sebas> gcc -pthread -shared build/temp.linux-i686-2.4/modules/ixf86misc.o -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 -lXxf86vm -lXext -lXrandr -lXrender -lXss -o build/lib.linux-i686-2.4/ixf86misc.so
[10:40] <sebas> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXss
[10:40] <Tonio_> allee: the thing is that when I select "open in konq" nothing comes out
[10:40] <sebas> Now, with  libxxf86vm-dev installed.
[10:40] <Tonio_> allee: and no icon on the desktop
[10:40] <Sime> sebas: libxxf86vm-dev package
[10:40] <Tonio_> we really should remove those patches for dapper........
[10:41] <allee> Tonio_: yes, mount via media action dialog did nothing. mount via rmb in media:/ showed Unknown Error
[10:41] <Tonio_> allee: yes same here
[10:41] <sebas> Sime: got that one, now it complains about Xss
[10:42] <sebas> Nevermind, got it.
[10:42] <sebas> libxss-dev was also needed. Wonder why I didn't figure that out yesterday.
[10:42] <allee> Tonio_: copying hal-system-storage-mount from edgy to dapper fixed it.  But pitti said hal-system-storage-* script were never in dapper (by policy) so I don't know it copying the script break otherr places
[10:42] <ryanakca> jdong_: no...
[10:42] <jdong_> ryanakca: well yeah :)
[10:42] <Sime> sebas: libxss-dev package
[10:43] <Tonio_> allee: hum........ kde changed the way to mount things ?
[10:43] <Tonio_> allee: doesn't make sense.....
[10:44] <fdoving> is this dapper+kde-from-kubuntu.org ?
[10:44] <Tonio_> sebas: http://tonio.homelinux.org/tmp/kde-guidance_0.7.1~svn20061124.orig.tar.gz
[10:45] <Tonio_> sebas: all you have to do is sync the icons with svn
[10:45] <Tonio_> allee: don't get me wrong, but how did that work before 3.5.5 ?
[10:46] <Tonio_> didn't that use hal-system-storage-mount on 3.5.3 ?
[10:46] <allee> Tonio_: that what puzzeles me.  After downgrading hal to  ..8.2 -> ...8.1 and kde 3.5.5 from ~dapper2 -> ~dapper1 it still did not work after reboot.  But these versions worked  before dist-upgrade.
[10:47] <allee> Tonio_: due to changelog nothing important  ;) has changed between kdelibs 3.5.5~source2 and ~source1
[10:47] <Tonio_> allee: yeah but you said there was no  hal-system-storage-* in dapper ever right ?
[10:48] <allee> Tonio_: yes.  I've chech ..8 ..8.1 and 8.2 hals. Not those scripts.  Pitti also said: never in dapper. Maybe in a beta version.  But my host is a fresh post-dapper-release installtion
[10:49] <fdoving> nite.
[10:49] <Tonio_> allee: hum, means that the way kde mounts things has changed between 3.5.3 and 3.5.5 then ? I'm a bit lost
[10:49] <allee> Tonio_: Maybe an interdiff of kdelibs would help.  but apt-get source did not found them.  And I was to tired
[10:50] <sebas> Sime: Hm, how do I init that thing?
[10:50] <sebas> [1] >>> import xf86misc
[10:50] <sebas> [2] >>> screen = xf86misc.XF86Screen(":0", 0)
[10:50] <sebas> [1]     29452 segmentation fault  ipython
[10:50] <allee> Tonio_: no upgrade was from 3.5.5 ~dapper1 and ~dapper2
[10:50] <Sime> sebas: there is example/test code in the xf86misc.py module itself.
[10:51] <allee> Tonio_:  I'll boot the demohost and paste upgrade log  ...
[10:51] <sebas> Sime: d'oh :D
[10:51] <sebas> I had seen that, and forgotten within the minute.
[10:52] <Tonio_> allee: /msg ;)
[10:53] <allee> Tonio_: http://paste.debian.net/17941
[10:54] <Tonio_> allee: yeah okay I see that the change is simply between dapper1 and 2
[10:55] <Tonio_> but that's not what gets me lost in fact
[10:55] <gnomefreak> the prograss bars in k3b are not really visable in feisty
[11:29] <Riddell> 22:28 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- An access level of [30]  is required for [ACCESS ADD]  on #kubuntu-offtopic
[11:29] <Riddell> fdoving: seems not
[11:32] <apokryphos> fdoving: I'll ping nalioth to get you on there
[11:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: thanks for the pykde fix, I can build guidance now, and just uploaded it
[11:35] <apokryphos> fdoving: hm, you're never in #kubuntu-offtopic ;-)
[11:36] <Riddell> err, you're welcome
[11:36] <Riddell> what fix?
[11:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: didn't you fix it ?
[11:36] <Riddell> dunno
[11:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: I built it successfully 5 minutes ago........
[11:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: hm...... weird :)
[11:37] <Riddell> maybe you only just upgraded to 3.16.0-0ubuntu5
[11:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm using french repos, that may explain indeed
[11:46] <apokryphos> ah, I see; the bot doesn't have a #kubuntu-offtopic specific factoid for ops, so it was still calling fdoving in there. Fixing now.