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Kanohi, how did you parse the UUIDs12:41
Kanoin the fstab12:42
jdongvol_id $device | sed -ne (just kidding)12:42
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jdongactually that would probably work12:42
Kanothanks it would12:43
Keybukvol_id -u $device12:43
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jdongthat works too12:43
Keybuk(that's how we got them *into* the fstab)12:43
jdongsheesh Keybuk why doesn't dpkg-parsechangelog have flags like that!12:43
Keybukjdong: it does12:43
jdongreally?12:43
jdongfor just printing the version?12:43
jdongnope it doesn't :(12:45
jdongoh well, good old sed...12:45
Keybukhmm, maybe it doesn't12:46
KeybukKano: mount can accept UUID=... directly12:46
Keybukquest scott% sudo mount UUID=43DB-3ADE /mnt12:46
Keybukquest scott% 12:46
jdongKano: are you the Kanotix guy by any chance?12:46
jdongKeybuk: and doesn't /dev/disk/by-uuid/$uuid exist?12:47
Keybukjdong: yes12:47
Kanojdong: i am12:47
jdongcool honor to meet you. Love kanotix :)12:47
Kanowhy do you have it twice in udev + volumeid package12:47
KeybukKano: have what twice?12:47
Kanovol_id12:47
Keybukwe don't12:47
Keybukit's only in volumeid12:48
Kanoi diffed it12:48
Kanosame tool at /lib/udev/vol_id12:48
Keybuklrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2006-10-17 17:54 /lib/udev/vol_id -> /sbin/vol_id*12:48
Keybukit's a symlink ;)12:48
Kanohmm ok, on debian there is no symlink12:48
Keybukyes12:48
KeybukDebian and Ubuntu have entirely different udev packages12:48
Kanoonly at the lib position, so a script should not use it12:48
Kanoi found some errors directly when i installed ubuntu ;)12:49
Kanoor better kubuntu12:49
Keybukoh?12:49
Kanojust counting em ;)12:49
Kanostreamtuner for example needs xmms dependency and streamripper suggest12:50
Kanoand it is in main, no excuse possible ;)12:50
Keybukoh, I thought you meant errors in udev12:50
Kanono not in udev12:50
Keybuk*shrug* there's always bugs12:50
Keybukfile them in LP12:51
Kanosure, but i know this bug is ubuntu specific12:51
jdongKano: kanotix is moving to a kubuntu/ubuntu base, right?12:51
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Kanojdong: depends12:52
Kanowhen the error count of ubuntu is low enough, or say lower than etch12:52
Keybukstreamtuner isn't in main12:52
Kanowell maybe universe main12:52
Keybukno such thing as univers main12:52
Keybukmain = supported12:52
Keybukuniverse = community maintained12:52
Kanokanotix has a differnet package selection12:53
Keybukstreamtuner doesn't appear to need an xmms dependency?12:53
Kanowell you can configure it differently12:53
Keybukit suggests it already12:53
Keybukarguably that should be a recommends12:53
Keybukanyhoo, file a bug12:54
Keybukor, reopen 4612412:54
Kanowell i collect em and put em on my homepage when i am done ;)12:54
Keybukput them in Malone, please12:55
Keybukotherwise our developers won't be able to process them properly12:55
Kanowill look into it12:56
Kanojust not now, as this is only minor12:56
Kanothe default homepage of firefox is not available in kubuntu12:57
Kanohow is the screen res detected?12:57
RiddellKano: should be, except for localised pages, that's a known bug12:57
Kanoof course i installed it for germany12:58
Riddellmm, yes, not sure how to fix that, altough I'll need to ponder it12:58
Kanoalso in the contact module12:58
Riddellfont DPI is set in /etc/init.d/kde-guidance if that's what you were asking12:58
jdongKano: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is used12:58
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Kanojdong: no i mean something like xresprobe01:00
RiddellKano: if you have any kubuntu specific questions feel free to join us in #kubuntu-devel any time (although I'm off to bed now)01:00
Keybukwe use xresprobe01:00
Kanothere is no manpage01:00
Kanowhat is the driver needed01:00
Riddellwould be cool to have kanotix using Kubuntu, I'd be interested to hear what the issues are01:00
KanoRiddell: be sure i find many ;)01:01
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KanoRiddell: for vfat for example is the default fstab line not optimal01:02
Kanomaybe utf8 is short for iocharset=utf8,but then you still miss: shortname=mixed,quiet01:03
KanoRiddell: did you think of adding ntfs-3g support to pmount01:04
Kanosame options are needed for pmount of course01:04
Kanolike when you mount it with the fstab you are getting errors with media:/01:06
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Kanoi found a pcitable file in guidance01:09
Kanodo you really use it01:09
Kanomaybe leftover ;)01:11
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Kanobye for now01:47
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spikecjwatson: I will try tomorrow. thanks02:07
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cjwatsonfdoving: good point, fixed04:20
ajmitchcjwatson: do you have the britney config you use to get the list of uninstallable packages for main? I'd like to check it for universe on a regular basis04:24
cjwatsonajmitch: it takes an amount of time I've never determined to run it for universe, but certainly in excess of 6 hours on beefy hardware04:26
cjwatsonare you sure? :)04:26
ajmitchsure04:27
ajmitchI've got beefy hardware at home04:27
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ajmitchI know it's ram-hungry04:27
cjwatsonajmitch: ok, well it's http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/tmp/britney-archive.diff on top of http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/britney/cdimage/04:30
cjwatsonfew random other changes in there - the trees aren't very clean I'm afraid04:30
ajmitchgreat, thanks04:32
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twbMithrandir: ping?06:11
twbMithrandir: I'm gonna take a crack at integrating Debian's casper changes; I've got nothing else to do.06:12
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bronsonIs anyone working on linux-vserver for Feisty?06:34
bronsonI remember seeing some discussion on this but I don't see anything in the wiki.06:34
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siretartbronson: I know some ppl who are using linux-vserver with ubuntu dapper and edgy, but they use custom kernels.08:35
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twbAre there Ubuntu equivalents of the Debian New Maintainer and Policy manuals?08:47
Burgundaviatwb: what specifically are you looking for?08:48
twbWell, I'm already a Debian developer.  I'm not familiar with creating and maintaining packages for Ubuntu.08:48
Burgundaviaright08:49
Burgundaviaare there Ubuntu specific things you want to do to your packages?08:49
twbI don't know.08:49
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Burgundaviabasically, the easiest course is to maintain those packages in Debian and they will get autosynced to Ubuntu08:50
twbBurgundavia: that assumes that someone from Ubuntu (other than me) wants those packages in Ubuntu.08:50
Burgundaviawhat specific packages are they?08:51
twbI currently maintain paredit-el and mg in Debian.08:51
twbI mean, I don't even know what the process is that determines if/when/how Debian packages become Ubuntu packages.08:51
twbThat is the sort of information I would expect to find in the newmaint and policy manuals.08:52
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Burgundaviaright08:52
BurgundaviaUbuntu takes nearly everything from Debian and simply rebuilds it08:53
Burgundaviahttp://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship <-- this is a good doc08:53
twbSimilarly, when an Ubuntu user reports a bug (via Ubuntu's reporting process), what is the process whereby it gets pushed to me, the Debian maintainer?08:53
Burgundaviahttp://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components08:53
Burgundaviaas it that08:53
twbLooking...08:53
Burgundaviathere is no formal method of getting bugs from Ubuntu to Debian, currently08:54
twbIs there a committee or working group currently investigating such issues?08:54
Burgundaviahttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DCT08:55
lucasBurgundavia: no.08:56
lucasDCT has been dead for months, because nobody is really interested in it08:56
Burgundavialucas: ?08:56
Burgundaviaah, yes08:56
lucasit's a bit easy to point to it each time a DD asks about feeding bugs back to debian08:56
Burgundavialucas: the problem is mostly time08:57
siretarttwb: you might find https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources useful08:58
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twbtypo, http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/licensing, first paragraph "and by default" should be "and be installed by default"09:02
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minghuatwb: please report a bug against ubuntu-website: https://bugs.launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-website/+filebug09:09
minghuatwb: thanks09:09
twbOK.09:09
twbIf someone duploads an Ubuntu package which has (closes Malone #NNNNNN) or similar in the ChangeLog, does Malone automatically know about that and mark the bug as done in that version?09:10
minghuatwb: I think right now it doesn't.  I heard there are discussions and thing may change soon though.09:11
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Mithrandirtwb: no, but it's a planned feature.09:18
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twblaunchpad isn't letting me complete my registration09:19
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twbIt keeps taking me back to the same page.09:20
twbDoes it require javascript?09:20
Burgundaviaquite likely09:20
twbUgh.09:20
twbYou like locking out blind people?09:21
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mdketwb: take it to #launchpad09:24
twbOK.09:24
mdkebe a bit nicer though, constructive suggestions work better than sarcasm09:25
twbSorry.09:25
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twbI get frustrated by `web apps' easily.09:25
mdkenp, they are a friendly bunch and will listen09:25
bronsontwb: if so, then lauchpad itself will frustrate you deeply.09:28
bronsonat least, it does me.  :)09:28
twbbronson: yes.09:28
twbbronson: once I actually manage to login, I intend to drop the web ui in favour of GPG signed mail.09:28
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mdkefriendly bunch though, told you09:31
mdke:)09:31
HiddenWolfmdke: "Oh my god, no, what have we done?" ;)09:31
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Mithrandircrimsun: hi dude, how did the Xubuntu testing go yesterday?09:32
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siretarttwb: malone offers an email interface, so you can report and manipulate bugs via gpg signed mail09:33
bronsonIs there any way to get a 2.6.18 version of the Ubuntu kernel?  Or did BenC go straight from .17 to .19?09:33
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twbsiretart: right, but I need to login at least once via the web ui to enable the mail UI.09:34
bronsonI'd like a 2.6.18 so I can apply a recent linux-vserver patch.09:34
Mithrandirbronson: there's no 2.6.18 version, no.09:34
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bronsonIs anyone talking about packaging linux-vserver anymore?09:35
bronsonI'm wondering how much effort I should put into making generic, Feisty-ready packages.09:35
crimsunMithrandir: I haven't tested i386 beyond 20061204 daily, but I'll pull down i386 20061205 daily-live and daily now09:35
crimsunMithrandir: the ppc & amd64 testers are likely asleep atm09:36
Mithrandircrimsun: cheers.09:36
Mithrandircrimsun: slackers. :-P09:36
Mithrandircrimsun: any idea when they'll be around?09:36
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Mithrandirhi Andreas09:36
bronsonHm...  Guess I'll go straight to 2.6.19.  How exciting.  :)09:37
bronsonMithrandir: thanks09:37
Mithrandirhmm, publishing herd-1 as herd-1 and not knot-3 is probably a good idea..09:40
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Mithrandir(history ftw)09:41
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BurgundaviaMithrandir: are we about to go live? shall I move it over to the website?09:44
crimsunMithrandir: found an amd64 & ppc 20061205 daily-live tester09:44
MithrandirBurgundavia: yes, please.09:44
Burgundaviamoving09:45
MithrandirBurgundavia: can you do the kubuntu one too or should I chase down a kubuntu person for that?09:45
Mithrandircrimsun: yay, excellent.09:45
BurgundaviaMithrandir: I don't have access to the Kubuntu website09:45
MithrandirBurgundavia: ok.09:45
Burgundaviafor the Knot pages, they were just left on the wiki09:45
MithrandirRiddell: do you want the herd 1 page to be moved to the main kubuntu website or is it ok to have it on the wiki?09:46
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RiddellMithrandir: wiki is fine09:46
MithrandirRiddell: ok09:47
Riddellbut I should check it for sanity first, what's the URL?09:47
pittiGood morning09:47
MithrandirRiddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FeistyFawn/Herd1/Kubuntu09:47
Mithrandirat least that was the one I found09:47
Riddellthat's the one09:48
Mithrandirhttp://err.no/tmp/herd-1.txt is the announcement ; proofreading would be nice.09:48
Mithrandir(yes, the ubuntu URL will then need changing)09:48
BurgundaviaMithrandir: should probably link directly to https://www-master.ubuntu.com/testing/herd109:50
Mithrandirs/-master// ?09:51
seb128Mithrandir: you can mention GNOME 2.17.2 too to the "The primary changes from Edgy"09:51
Burgundavia"We refer to..."09:52
Mithrandirseb128: I moved that bit from the announcement to the wiki page; do you disagree about that?09:52
Burgundaviawell, I need to sleep09:53
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Burgundaviapage is up and /testing links to /testing/herd109:53
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seb128Mithrandir: no, that's fine with me. You mentioned 2.6.19 in the mail so I didn't notice you did that ;)09:53
Mithrandirseb128: yeah, since it's common between all variants.09:53
MithrandirBurgundavia: cheers.09:53
seb128right09:53
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RiddellMithrandir: announcement reads good to me09:56
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dholbachgood morning09:57
pittihi dholbach 09:59
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dholbachhi pitti10:01
ajmitchmorning dholbach 10:06
dholbachhey ajmitch10:06
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sivangmorning10:09
dholbachdoko: good morning - we had a question about eclipse over here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-December/001000.html10:11
cjwatsonMithrandir: all the current CD images should already have hw-detect/start_pcmcia=false, shouldn't they?10:15
Mithrandircjwatson: oh, I didn't see a response to whether you fixed that or not.10:16
cjwatsonI did. I'll check that they've all been rebuilt10:16
Mithrandircjwatson: if it's there, I'll just add a note saying that pcmcia is disabled.10:16
Mithrandircjwatson: Kubuntu might not have picked it up, since we didn't do the last rebuild for those.10:16
cjwatsonright, my thought too, also Xubuntu10:16
dokodholbach: you can't use uupdate with a zip file10:17
Mithrandircjwatson: ok, expanded a little bit now.  Looks better?10:17
cjwatsonMithrandir: Xubuntu isn't fixed, but all the others are, including Kubuntu10:18
cjwatsonMithrandir: so s/Ubuntu and Edubuntu/Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Edubuntu/ but otherwise fine10:18
cjwatsonis the read-from-wrong-terminal thing new in feisty? what changed?10:18
dholbachdoko: I passed on the message10:19
cjwatsonMithrandir: otherwise all looks fine10:19
Mithrandircjwatson: updated the first one.10:19
cjwatsonMithrandir: s/We refer/Please refer/ maybe10:20
Mithrandircjwatson: the casper thing is some weird usplash/upstart interaction.  I'm going to just make casper use the input mechanism in usplash, but I just haven't had time.10:20
Mithrandircjwatson: fixed.10:20
cjwatsonit's always weird reading your announcements. I can see the bits that were descended from announcements I wrote. :)10:20
Mithrandirheh, yeah, it's a cut&paste job from the earlier ones.10:20
cjwatsons/The herd images/The Herd images/?10:21
Mithrandirsure, fixed10:21
Mithrandirthe URLs need checking too, but that doesn't happen until I do sync-mirrors10:21
dokocjwatson: updated the changelog and description of bug 68396 and uploaded to edgy-proposed. yes, sd.sal_uInt32_aslong.diff the is the fix for the amd64 crash10:23
UbugtuMalone bug 68396 in openoffice.org "openoffice.org for edgy-updates" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6839610:23
Mithrandirdoko: I presume you saw the sun-java5 build failure on ppc?10:23
cjwatsondoko: thanks, looks better, will process this morning10:24
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dokoMithrandir: yes, do you want to port it to powerpc? ;)10:27
Mithrandirdoko: no, but it should probably be PaS-ed10:27
Mithrandirmaswan: can you give us a cdimage mirroring run when I ask for it?10:30
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maswanMithrandir: sure10:31
dokoMithrandir: agreed, then on sparc and hppa as well10:31
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sivangmjg59: is there anything we do to shutdown idle wlan network interfaces by default?11:05
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sivangRiddell: I managed to get Belhaven St. Andrew's Ale around here, some private dude that periodically visits the UK and scotland in particular started to import small quantities just for the love of it. There's also a "Scottish Ale" by Belhaven which I didn't taste yet. 11:15
Riddellexcellent!11:17
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sivangRiddell: sure is, apparently there's few folks around the north and center of the country then know about it (among them is that importer dude) ;)11:23
aileanBelhaven Best is a tasty beer11:24
sivangRiddell: right, I need to call him and suggest he'll bring some Best(s) as well11:24
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aileanRiddell, can i ask you a couple of qs about becoming linux certified?11:24
aileanRiddell, i know you're in scotland too, so i was wondering about where to go to learn it and where to go to take the exam11:25
maxbHi. There is a bug filed against apache2 in launchpad with a fairly thorough analysis of the problem, such that it should not be difficult to fix, but the maintainer does not seem to have noticed. What is the best way for me to politely attract the attention of someone who could fix the package? Thanks.   ( the bug is https://launchpad.net/bugs/62748 )11:25
UbugtuMalone bug 62748 in subversion "2.0.55-4ubuntu4 update causes svn failure" [Undecided,Confirmed]  11:25
Riddellailean: #kubuntu better11:26
aileanok11:26
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Mithrandirmaxb: it'll be fixed when apache 2 is upgraded to 2.211:27
UbugtuApache bug 2 in Layout "Just testing the Boogzeela setup for log4j" [Normal,Closed: fixed]  http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=211:27
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pittihaha11:28
pittiMithrandir: just for the record, apache2 is currently on my merge list, but infinity asked me not to merge 2.2 ATM11:28
maxbWell... ok... but it renders libsvn-javahl unusable, so any chance of it being considered for an edgy-update? And if not, could there be an official comment in the bug explaining the situation?11:30
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spikecjwatson: hi, you around by any chance?11:31
spikeI had a look into that parted_devices11:32
spikeunfortunately it's not very helpful, as it just prints the device as in fdsik, /dev/cciss/c0d0 146807930880    Compaq Smart Array11:32
spikeI'm running it on the installed system, dunno if that makes any difference, tho11:33
spikecjwatson: can I just use that /dev/cciss/c0d0 in the preseed file?11:33
cjwatsonspike: that was the point of getting you to run parted_devices, and why it is helpful. the device names it prints are what you can preseed11:34
cjwatsonso yes11:34
cjwatsonwould be better to run it in the installer, but it *should* be the same in edgy11:34
cjwatsonif this is dapper, then you should definitely run it in an interactive installer session to check11:35
spikeyeah, it's dapper11:35
spikecjwatson: can I run the install manully without preseeding, and then choose to drop to a shell? will be the command available via busybox?11:36
dokocjwatson: do you know the origin of the gfxboot patch for syslinux?11:37
cjwatsonspike: alt-f2 gives you a shell (alt-f1 to return); yes, the command will be available11:37
cjwatsondoko: suse11:37
dokocjwatson: do you have an URL for their packages?11:38
cjwatsondoko: afraid not, I don't seem to have kept it11:38
spikecjwatson: ok, cheers. btw, the device will be different anyway, and I dont wanna dup all my preseed file just for those bunch of boxes. I read there are means to include custom bits at runtime, not quite sure what's the right way to do it11:40
spikecan I just run something with the early_command and the outpu will be included into the preseed file?11:40
cjwatsonnot as such11:40
cjwatsonthere are some related possibilities11:41
crimsunMithrandir: i386 daily fails pretty badly on my hardware (either can't detect atapi cdrom or partitioner fails), but daily-live works fine (both clean install and resizing ntfs)11:41
cjwatsonspike: you could try something like this in an early_command:11:42
cjwatson. /usr/share/debconf/confmodule11:42
Mithrandircrimsun: hmm, ok.  Do you want me to drop Xubuntu for herd 1 or respin?  I don't want to hold up the others any longer.11:42
cjwatsondb_set partman-auto/disk "$(parted_devices | head -n1 | cut -f1)"11:43
crimsunMithrandir: no need to block on xubuntu11:43
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cjwatsoni.e. use first disk no matter what. might need to be careful to exclude floppies and CDs there11:43
Mithrandircrimsun: ok, I'll drop it for Herd 1 and wish you better luck next time around, then.11:43
crimsunMithrandir: ok, thanks11:44
admin123:)11:45
Mithrandirmaswan: please sync now.11:47
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maswanMithrandir: running12:02
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twbOn my launchpad `homepage', is it appropriate to include a link to my CV?12:06
pittitwb: I don't see why not, it's the place for personal information after all (disclaimer: purely my personal opinion)12:07
twbThat was my expectation.  Some organizations have vehement views about linking to such stuff.12:08
shackan why?12:08
twbI guess because its the thin end of the wedge that link-bombing wiki pages is the thick end of.12:09
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sivangKeybuk: morning12:18
Keybukhey12:18
sivangKeybuk: I wonder if you had seen my bug report already, or you need to grab your coffe before checking out ifupdown and possibly related to upstart bugs ;)12:18
KeybukI just read it12:19
Keybukalmost certainly kernel12:19
sivangKeybuk: okay, so how can we work this out? I'm using 2.6.19-7-lowlatency that crimsun tells me still doesn't really include the pre-empt "fix"12:21
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sivangKeybuk: (I tried to use the lowlate kerns due to http://sivang.blogspot.com/2006/12/surely-not-way-to-do-performance.html)12:22
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Keybuksivang: no idea12:26
Keybukfind out when it broke12:26
sivangKeybuk: sure, how do I debug something like that?12:28
Keybuksivang: the usual way12:29
Keybukfind out how to make it fail consistently12:29
Keybukfind out how to make it work consistently12:29
Keybukbisect the difference12:29
sivangKeybuk: that's easy, everytime I ifup eth1, it just shuts down the power, consistently :)12:30
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sivangKeybuk: to make it work, I just ifdown eth1, and dhclient eth112:31
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sivangKeybuk: ;)12:31
Keybukifdown and dhclient ?!12:31
KeybukNow, since about a couple of upgrades, ifupdown seems to have gone mad12:31
Keybukcompletely:12:31
Keybuk-- 12:31
popeyis there a method for proposing a package for inclusion on the live/alternate CD?12:31
Keybukso find out which upgrade broke it12:31
sivangKeybuk: eh :)12:32
Keybukthat's a quote from your bug12:32
Keybukyou say something broke it12:32
Keybukwhat broke it?12:32
StevenKIf the breakage shutdowns the machine, it's a little hard to diagnose, no?12:32
sivangKeybuk: If I had known, I would have been a miilionaire :p12:33
Keybuksivang: find out then12:33
Keybukyou have /var/log/dpkg.log12:33
Keybukroll back each upgrade until you find the one that makes it work again12:33
Keybuktry stock ubuntu kernels12:33
sivangKeybuk: I'l see what I can come up with, or just write  a script that probes for DNS and when it can't resolve do the ifdown, dhclient dance for me automatically :)12:33
Keybukif you do that, I'll reject the bug12:34
sivangKeybuk: okay, thakns for the guidance12:34
sivangKeybuk: that was a joke , seriously12:34
Keybukthis is obviously not happening for anyone else12:34
Keybukthere's a lot of ipw2200 users out there12:34
Keybukso it must be something you've installed on your machine, or some change you've made, that's caused it to break12:34
Keybukcheck for scripts in /etc/network/*12:35
Keybukalso try booting into windows12:35
Keybukthe card might be wedged in some invalid state that only the windows driver can fix12:35
KeybukI don't know if that affects the ipw2200 specifically, but it's a common fix for firmware cards12:36
sivangKeybuk: could it be the hardware just broke?12:36
Keybukyes12:36
sivangKeybuk: (it works in windows quite fine, although I've had a couple of simialr mishaps there as well)12:37
Keybukok, if it works in windows, and continues to not work in Linux; I'd suggest the following12:37
Keybuk- install stock ubuntu kernel (not the low-latency one)12:37
Keybuk- check /etc/network/* for problems12:37
Keybuk- check packages are all up to date, and not from other sources12:37
Keybuk- is it just "ifup" that breaks?  what about "ifconfig eth1 up" ?12:38
mnepton- how about invoke-rc.d network restart12:38
sivangmnepton: that's like doing /etc/init.d/network restart no?12:40
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spikecjwatson: where's the limit with that? cant I just run a shell script I wget from somewhere that will set all the answers I need?12:42
mneptonsivang: it is12:43
cjwatsonspike: sure, that's possible too, noting that early_command only runs after the preseed file has been fetched of course12:43
mneptonexcept you should use invoke-rc.d these days)12:43
cjwatsonspike: depends on your personal tolerance for maintainability of twisty little piles of shell scripts12:43
spikecjwatson: "after the preseed file has been fetched of course", uhm, does that mean I cant modify the answers at that time? ie, from a completely external script12:44
spikeor couldnt I just wget some script that would rewrite the preseed file, ie, replace variables/placeholders based on the hw/machine12:45
Keybukmnepton: that's a bogus command12:45
Keybuka) you should not use invoke-rc.d; that's for maintainer scripts only12:45
spikecjwatson: the idea idea I had was generating the preseed file on the fly, so wget actually calls a cgi that dumps a preseed file run-time generated based on the ip12:45
Keybukb) the network init script isn't what starts hardware network interfaces anyway12:45
sivangKeybuk: no luck, the only thing that manages to bring power up on the interface is ifdown eth112:46
Keybuksivang: does ifconfig eth1 down bring power up?12:47
cjwatsonspike: there's an example of doing this in the installation-guide, under preseed/include_command; see there12:47
spikenmmh, k, ta12:47
StevenKcjwatson: Should I remind you at some further point to please accept the wlassistant upload to edgy-updates?12:48
cjwatsonby "after the preseed file has been fetched", I simply meant the stage of the installer; your preseed file could just be early_command or whatever and nothing else12:48
cjwatsonStevenK: no need12:48
sivangKeybuk: strangely, no12:48
Mithrandirmaswan: it seems the world is a bit slow now and I really want to release and we're apparently fine when it comes to bandwidth, so I'll drop ACC from the herd 1 announce this time.12:48
Keybuksivang: ok, then it's likely a script in /etc/network/*; what do you have in there?12:49
Keybukand what's in /etc/network/interfaces ?12:49
cjwatsonspike: note that preseed files are basically just fed to debconf-set-selections. You can do the same thing either in the same way or by using debconf commands directly. If you want to do funky stuff, apt-get source preseed and see how it does it.12:49
StevenKcjwatson: Okay, I'll continue to exercise patience. Thanks. :-)12:49
\shMithrandir: do we have a good traffic report for dapper and edgy for mirrors? I would like to try to setup an official mirror here in our company12:50
Mithrandir\sh: ask mirrors@ubuntu.com12:51
StevenK\sh: What arches?12:51
elmo(the answer is no we don't.  it varies from mirror to mirror.  a traffic report would be non-sensical)12:51
\shStevenK: all12:51
StevenK\sh: And source?12:51
sivangKeybuk: /me checks12:51
\shStevenK: 10GBit/s needs some action12:51
StevenK\sh: Oh, I thought you were talking size.12:52
Znarl\sh : Can you join #ubuntu-mirrors and we'll help you setup a mirror, if you like.12:52
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\shStevenK: oh I think I can host the complete source/binary collection of debian/ubuntu/redhat/suse on one machine ;) 7TB as Raid6 is enough on one machine? if not I use 3 or 4 of them ;)12:53
StevenK\sh: Bastard. :-P12:53
Mithrandir\sh: if you have the bandwidth and disk space, cdimage mirrors are always useful.12:53
\shZnarl: sure, but I need some infos about traffic, bandwidth, what you need as lowest level bandwidth etc. to give it to my managers...to decide...the rest will be easy then :)12:53
Mithrandir(it's only close to 1T, but still)12:53
\shMithrandir: shouldn't be a problem with space...not even bandwidth...I just need an ok of my managers :)12:54
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\shand right now it's a good time to ask for it :)12:55
Znarl\sh : You're in the US?  So your mirror will be listed under United States?12:55
\shZnarl: germany...with decix peering...and officially 20GBit/s level 3 connection...europes finest private datacenter12:55
fernando\sh: i can to have a ssh access in this poor machine/bandwidth/storage? heheheh :P12:56
Znarl\sh : A full mirror of releases.ubuntu.com is just under 30gigs.  archive.ubuntu.com is around 190gigs and slowly growing.12:57
fernandos/i\ can/can\ i/12:57
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dade`why do you escape spaces ?12:57
fernandoi need to review my machine/bandwidth concepts hehehe12:58
StevenKdade`: Because he isn't quoting it.12:59
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StevenKMithrandir: Nice! Well done.12:59
Mithrandiryay us! :-)12:59
highvoltageUbuntu GNU/Herd 1 :)01:00
HiddenWolfcongrats01:00
highvoltagethey beat FSF to it!01:00
sivanghighvoltage: hehe01:00
bhaledidnt we have a Herd animal before?01:00
dokocjwatson: updated syslinux. I would appreciate a review before upload to feisty: http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/syslinux/01:00
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pittiwow, ubuntu-changes spam \o/01:17
ajmitchyay!01:17
spikecjwatson: /bin/sh: parted_devices: not found , using BusyBox v1.01 (Debian 1:1.01-4ubuntu3) Built-in shell (ash)01:18
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spikebooting dapper amd64 ubuntu-installer01:18
cjwatsondoko: meep, um, I'm buried in libparted right now, later01:19
cjwatsondoko: please try a modified Ubuntu CD with your version of syslinux on it to make sure that gfxboot works01:19
jdubopen("/var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin", O_RDONLY) = 501:19
jdubfcntl64(5, F_SETFD, FD_CLOEXEC)         = 001:19
jdubfstat64(5, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=9749120, ...}) = 001:19
jdubmmap2(NULL, 9749120, PROT_READ, MAP_SHARED, 5, 0) = 0xb724600001:19
jdubstat64("/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_feisty_main_binary-i386_Packages", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=5684810, ...}) = 001:19
jdub--- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) ---01:19
jdub01:20
cjwatsonspike: continue through the installer a bit before running it01:20
StevenKjdub: Neat.01:20
jdub$ sudo apt-get upgrade -u01:20
jdubSegmentation fault (core dumped)01:20
jdub01:20
cjwatsonspike: it won't be available right at the start. this is normal.01:20
jdub^ awesomo 4000!01:20
seb128could anybody give a retry to yelp on all arches?01:20
spikecjwatson: oh, I see, thanks.01:20
StevenKjdub: Now you have a core file, you can use pitti's leet debug debs to figure it out.01:20
sivangjdub: heh01:21
StevenKOh no, qdvdauthor, you will not do this to me.01:21
StevenKSigh. qdvdauthor's upstream, *please* learn to reap your children when you get a SIGCHLD!01:22
seb128jdub: does removing /var/cache/apt/*.bin fix it?01:23
dholbachjdub: try moving away pkgcache.bin - I think mvo is aware of the problem01:23
seb128dholbach: too slow young padawan :p01:23
jdubhaha01:23
dholbachpfft01:23
seb128;)01:23
gnomefreakseb128: yes it fixes it he uploaded a fix for it01:23
TreenaksThe Dynamic Duo Strikes Again :)01:23
jdubseb128, dholbach: rock on, thanks :-)01:23
dholbach:)01:24
seb128np01:24
seb128jdub: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=81829 for info01:24
UbugtuDebian bug 81829 in apt "segfaults" [Grave,Open]  01:24
gnomefreakseb128: libapt-front_0.3.9ubuntu4 should fix the apt crashing01:25
seb128gnomefreak: I don't have a such lib installed01:25
gnomefreakhe uploaded it this morning sometime according to the bug report01:26
gnomefreakbug 6170801:26
UbugtuMalone bug 61708 in apt "apt-index-watcher corrupts the apt cache database" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6170801:26
seb128gnomefreak: it looks like that change prevent the corruption for apt-index-watcher01:27
seb128gnomefreak: it doesn't fix apt crashing when the index is corrupted01:27
seb128gnomefreak: apt is not using libapt-front01:28
gnomefreakthe index is corrupting apt/cache01:28
maswanMithrandir: *nods*01:29
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sivangKeybuk: do we have anything to reduce power consupmtion when a NIC is inactive that could come in the way?01:30
Keybuksivang: only the driver01:30
Keybukthat I know of, anyway01:31
=== sivang wonders if this functionality can be turned off
sivangKeybuk: is it reasonable for a straying wpa key specificed to the interfaces file to cause the odd ifdown to bring NIC power up symptom?01:31
=== sivang guesses that it isn't
Keybukno01:32
Keybukcould be wpa supplicant bug01:32
sivanghmm, I wonder if I could just remove wpa supplicant and leave without it, oh it's part of -minimal01:33
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cjwatsondoko: I wish you'd stuck with the applied-patches scheme I was using01:38
maswanMithrandir: I don't quite know why it is slow, but it is updating01:38
cjwatsondpatch--01:38
Keybukcjwatson: applied-patches hurts my brain01:39
KeybukI never remember to update them01:39
cjwatsonit's better than dpatch01:39
dokocjwatson: then please show me where upstream has the single patches. the srpm only has one diff.01:39
cjwatsondoko: please make sure that you carried over my patches01:39
dokoI didn't convert to dpatch, that was the debian maintainer01:39
cjwatsonah, if they did that then I guess we have to :-(01:40
cjwatsonIIRC I had to extract it from the suse diff01:40
Keybukcjwatson: I dislike dpatch more than the next man, but at least there's a script to deal with it01:40
KeybukI don't need to fiddle with applying and unapplying, just dpatch-edit-patch01:40
cjwatson*shrug* it's moot in this case if the packaging's already changed in Debian; I hadn't realised that01:41
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\shMithrandir:congrats to the herd 1 release :)01:42
Mithrandirthanks. :-)01:42
sladenthe FSF will be pleased01:45
sladenthey've been waiting 20years for that01:45
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cjwatsondoko: you seem to have discarded my DATE/HEXDATE fix and my fix to ensure the screen gets cleared when switching back to text mode on localboot01:46
cjwatson(3.11-2ubuntu5)01:46
cjwatsonand 3.11-2ubuntu401:47
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dokocjwatson: do you still know what exactly to remove from the suse diff?01:48
cjwatsonnot offhand01:49
KeybukMithrandir: you misspelled "Hurd" in the announcement01:50
cjwatsondoko: sorry, afraid it requires actual thought ;-)01:50
MithrandirKeybuk: I considered using "The Hurd, or the GNU Hurd, is the set of servers, it is not an operating system, and since it runs in user space, it is not what we call a kernel. ``Hurd'' means ``Hird of Unix-Replacing Daemons'' and ``Hird'' means ``Hurd of Interfaces Representing Depth'', but all of them are spelled like the word ``herd'', which is the real meaning of this name: the GNU Hurd is a herd of gnus." as the quote..01:50
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\shargl...launchpad fools me01:52
KeybukThe launchpad strikes!  You feel fooled!01:53
\shhttp://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty/+source/xdrawchem doesn't show any open bugs to this source..but http://b.l.n/distros/ubuntu/+source/xdrawchem/+bugs shows open bugs...that's definitly a user fooling experience ;)01:55
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fbondkeybuk: ping01:57
\shor we have to change the "file sync request bug reports" a bit, to include the release01:57
Keybukfbond: hi01:57
fbondKeybuk, hi01:58
fbondI am supposed to contact you Re: mounting usbfs by default01:58
fbondhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/7096801:58
UbugtuMalone bug 70968 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu Should Automatically Mount usbfs At Boot Time" [Wishlist,Needs info]  01:58
Keybukusbfs is mounted by default01:59
Keybukquest scott% ls /proc/bus/usb01:59
Keybuk001/  002/  devices@01:59
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Keybukadmittedly, that's not usbfs, but a gross hack01:59
Keybukbut the gross hack should be sufficient for your needs01:59
fbondhmm.  My knowledge may not be technical enough in this area to argue the case well.02:00
Keybukwhat's the problem?02:00
Keybukperhaps we can work out from there02:00
fbondI have packaged midisport-firmware for universe.02:00
dokocjwatson: suse has integrated your two patches02:00
Keybukok ...02:00
fbondThis package uses libusb and udev to load firmware onto the USB device.02:00
Keybukthis uses /proc/bus/usb/XXX/YYY to load the firmware?02:01
Keybukright02:01
fbondThe current situation doesn't seem to be conducive to this approach...02:01
Keybukwhich current situation?02:01
fbondEdgy02:01
Keybukedgy should be fine02:01
Keybukassuming you're using the release02:01
Keybukmay I see the package?  is it in the archive?02:01
fbondKeybuk, it didn't quite make it into edgy02:01
Keybukis it in feisty?02:02
fbondlet me see if it's lying around on revu or elsewhere ...02:02
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fbondcrimsun had suggested I bring this up with you.  He knows more technical details related to the problem.02:02
KeybukI suspect crimsun's knowledge is out of date02:02
fbondhttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=306302:02
fbondPerhaps.02:02
Keybukwe implemented a udev-driven /proc/bus/usb for edgy02:03
fbondWell, my device does eventually work, if I do one of the following after booting: unplug and re-plug the device or restart udev02:03
Keybukhave you mounted usbfs yourself by hand?02:04
cjwatsondoko: I checked, and that did not appear to be the case.02:04
cjwatsondoko: unless you mean in a patch that wasn't in the source package you posted02:04
cjwatsonin which case, great02:04
fbondKeybuk, I had done that before, but am not currently.02:04
Keybukfbond: is there anything in /proc/bus/usb02:04
fbondyes02:04
Keybukis /proc/bus/usb/devices a symlink?02:04
cjwatson\sh: the release should only be used when backporting fixes for bugs to earlier releases02:05
Keybukoh, I see02:05
fbondKeybuk, yes02:05
Keybukthe udev rules in the orig.tar.gz are COMPLETELY wrong02:05
Keybukthat's why it doesn't02:05
Keybukwork02:05
fbondoh02:05
cjwatson\sh: so no, the sync policy should stay as it is02:05
fbondinteresting02:05
Keybuktotally, and utterly bogus02:05
Keybukthey should like something like02:06
doko* Mon Jan 23 2006 - snwint@suse.de02:06
doko- cjwatson@ubuntu.com: support big-endian cpio archives (#140119)02:06
doko- support direct driverupdate loading from CD-ROM (feat #152):02:06
doko  o initrd loading errors are no longer fatal02:06
doko  o if initrd name starts with '+' ask for CD change02:06
doko* Wed Dec 14 2005 - snwint@suse.de02:06
doko- really disable text messages02:06
doko- cjwatson@ubuntu.com: turn off graphics for localboot02:06
dokowhich is in the diff02:06
KeybukACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="usb_device", SYSFS{idVendor}=="0763", SYSFS{idProduct}=="1001", RUN+="@fxload@ -s @firmwaredir@/MidiSportLoader.ihx -I @firmwaredir@/MidiSport2x2.ihx"02:06
Keybuknote the use of the usb_device subsystem, not the usb subsystem (which means you can drop the devpath match)02:07
Keybukthat way the RUN rule will be run *after* the device appears in /proc/bus/usb -- rather than before02:07
Keybuk<g>02:07
fbondHmm.  Upstream has not been terribly friendly to me, unfortunately.  I do not know if this will forward well.02:07
fbondBut, at least, I can get this into Feisty in working order.02:07
Keybukudev is still in heavy development02:08
Keybukso what rules work for one distribution, with one version of udev, will likely not work on another02:08
fbondI see.02:08
cjwatsondoko: I checked the diff you posted, and it was definitely missing the DATE/HEXDATE fix, and it looked to me as if it at least did not have all of the localboot fix02:08
Keybukchanging the SUBSYSTEM is the key here02:08
fbondudev remains to be grey magic to many of us who consider ourselves pretty familiar with Linux systems.02:08
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Keybukthe "usb" subsystem is responsible for the device itself, and whatever interfaces it exposes02:08
Keybukit doesn't have anything in /dev usually02:08
Keybukthe "usb_device" subsystem is responsible for the raw access devices02:09
Keybukyou want the raw access devices, so you want that subsystem02:09
fbondIs there a good source of information that covers this kind of topic?02:09
StevenKfbond: That's because it is. The kernel sends a bunch of strings to a userspace program that just does stuff, based on rules that look somewhat evil. Complete magic.02:09
KeybukStevenK: bah, it's easy02:10
Keybukfbond: lots02:10
fbondStevenK, well I ain't afraid of a little magic :)  Documented magic would be nice though.02:10
cjwatsondoko: they only applied an earlier version of my change, not the whole thing. Please check again.02:10
Keybukstart at the udev manpages and documentation02:10
fbondalright, I can do that.02:10
Keybuke.g. man udev, and /usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/02:10
StevenKThe manual pages are incredibly terse, from what I recall.02:10
fbondthanks very much for your help, Keybuk.02:10
Keybukalso look through the kernel documentation on sysfs02:10
cjwatsonand unless they did something else to avoid the need for this:02:11
cjwatson  * Makefile: Just export DATE and HEXDATE rather than playing with $(MAKE);02:11
cjwatson    current make applies an extra shell evaluation pass to the latter02:11
cjwatson... it's still relevant02:11
cjwatson    approach and so fails.02:11
Keybukfbond: no problem02:11
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StevenKMaybe I'm just turned off by Marco d'Annoyi^WItri saying "This udev stuff is so important and hard! *snap* *bite*"02:11
Keybukbah02:11
Keybukit's important, yes02:11
Keybukreally damned useful02:11
Keybukbut not hard02:11
StevenKKeybuk: Stop saying bah, Scrooge. :-P02:11
KeybukEvery driver, device, interface, etc. in the kernel has a structure of information about it02:12
Keybukit chains those structures up in a pretty tree which it exposes in /sys02:12
Keybukand whenever it adds or removes items, it sends a message out so userspace can react02:12
fbondWell, I like udev in principle.  I don't think anyone dislikes the goals of udev.02:12
Keybukudev listens to those messages, and uses them to maintain /dev, and run other programs, etc.02:12
Keybukit's obviously important that you listen to the right messages, and use the right information02:13
Keybukunfortunately that's the poorly documented bit, because it's kernel stuff, and they're notoriously bad at it :p02:13
StevenKI recall Herbert Xu somewhat not liking udev, since he didn't see the huge problem of a static /dev in the normal use cases.02:13
StevenKBut Herbert is strange like that. :-)02:13
Keybukthe advantage and disadvantage of a static /dev is pretty much swings and roundabouts02:14
mjg59Well, if you never hotplug anything, there's no real problem with a static /dev02:14
Keybukcertainly having mknod run for you if you're missing a device is useful02:14
StevenKOr if all the devices you hotplug already have /dev nodes.02:14
Keybukthe principal advantage of udev is that, once you know you *have* the /dev node, you can do other things02:14
Mithrandirhaving an /etc which actually reflects your system is nice too.02:14
Mithrandirmakes tab completion and such so much easier.02:15
cjwatsonyou mean a /dev?02:15
Mithrandiruh, yes.02:15
StevenKHeh02:15
mjg59StevenK: Device ordering isn't guaranteed02:15
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Keybukthe other useful side-effect of a dynamic /dev is that we can name things statically02:15
Keybukyou can't guarantee which disk is sda, and which is sdb02:15
StevenKmjg59: That's a good point.02:15
jdubSpads: thanks re: ubuntu world wide02:15
Keybukbut you can use udev to examine the disks, and give us /dev/disk/by-uuid02:15
mjg59StevenK: So if you want specific permissions with a static /dev, you *still* need something like udev02:15
Keybukimagine having /proc/bus/usb as a "static device tree"02:16
Spadsjdub: no problem02:16
Keybukyou'd need /proc/bus/usb/000 thru 999/000 thru 99902:16
Keybuklots and lots of notes02:16
Keybukuh, nodes02:16
MithrandirStevenK: I'm a bit unsure what uetc wouduld do..02:16
Mithrandirwould, even02:16
Spadsjdub: I notice that the terminator doesn't shift because it's not regenerating if there's no cache miss02:16
ajmitchMithrandir: I don't think you'd want to know..02:17
StevenKMithrandir: :-P02:17
ajmitchsounds like another wild idea of StevenK's :)02:17
Mithrandirajmitch: if I were to write it, I'd surely want to know what it would do..02:17
StevenKOh, I don't have wild ideas.02:17
MithrandirI have some nice ideas and some really insane ones.02:18
Keybuk/Programs02:18
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MithrandirKeybuk: no, that's just crack. :-P02:18
Keybuk/Users/Scott James Remnant/Configuration/Upstart02:19
Keybuk/Users/Scott James Remnant/Desktop02:19
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Keybuk/Users/Scott James Remnant/Documents02:19
StevenKWhy the Mac OS X layout....02:19
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=== thom dunks keybuk in acid
Keybukacciiiiiiiiiiiiid02:20
pittihey thom, how's it going?02:21
thomi have just defeated d-i, so it's going well. how about you?02:22
fbondKeybuk: little help?02:22
Keybukfbond: ?02:22
fbondENV{PRODUCT}=="763/1014/*" -> SYSFS{idVendor}=="0763", SYSFS{idProduct}=="1001"02:22
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fbondENV{PRODUCT}=="763/1031/121" -> ?02:22
fbondwhat do I do with the 121?02:22
KeybukENV{PRODUCT}=="763/1014/*" -> SYSFS{idVendor}=="0763", SYSFS{idProduct}=="1014"02:22
Keybuk:p02:22
fbondum, right02:23
fbondcopied the wrong line :)02:23
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fbondquestion stands, however ... 02:23
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Keybuk        if (add_uevent_var(envp, num_envp, &i,02:24
Keybuk                           buffer, buffer_size, &length,02:24
Keybuk                           "PRODUCT=%x/%x/%x",02:24
Keybuk                           le16_to_cpu(usb_dev->descriptor.idVendor),02:24
Keybuk                           le16_to_cpu(usb_dev->descriptor.idProduct),02:24
Keybuk                           le16_to_cpu(usb_dev->descriptor.bcdDevice)))02:24
Keybukok02:24
fbondoh right02:24
fbond"documentation"02:24
Keybukbest kind there is <g>02:24
fbond:)02:24
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fbondbcdDevice -> SYSFS{bcdDevice} ?02:24
KeybukENV{PRODUCT}=="763/1031/121" -> SYSFS{idVendor}=="0763", SYSFS{idProduct}=="1031", SYSFS{bcdDevice}=="0121"02:24
fbondok, thanks!02:25
Keybukon feisty, you'd need to use ATTRS{...}==02:25
StevenKBinary Coded Decimal Device .... Hrm, doesn't sound right.02:25
KeybukStevenK: version number02:25
Keybukie. 1.21 :p02:25
fbondhmm.02:25
StevenKHow does bcd == Version ? :-P02:25
KeybukOMG ... I can recall pieces of the USB spec; I am doomed02:25
KeybukStevenK: version numbers are usually encoded in bcd because hardware people are strange02:26
fbondHopefully the feisty documentation has been updated to reflect that change?02:26
Keybukfbond: yes02:26
StevenKOh, right.02:26
fbondKeybuk, in feisty, udev rules are completely different, i.e. don't have all those SYSFS{...} bits?02:28
jdubSetting up sun-java5-plugin (1.5.0-10-0ubuntu1) ...02:29
jdubupdate-alternatives: unable to make /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/libjavaplugin.so.dpkg-tmp a symlink to /etc/alternatives/iceweasel-javaplugin.so: No such file or directory02:29
StevenKjdub: Known. I think ....02:30
Keybukfbond: in feisty, you need to change the word "SYSFS" to the word "ATTRS"02:30
KeybukATTRS{idVendor}=="0763", ATTRS{idProduct}=="1031", ATTRS{bcdDevice}=="0121"02:30
Keybuk^ like that02:30
fbondoh, and that's it; there is a 1:1 mapping from SYSFS -> ATTRS ?02:31
Keybukyup02:33
Keybukthe new name is intended to make it more obvious that it checks the attributes in the current sysfs object and all parent objects02:33
Keybukpersonally I hate it, but hey ho02:33
fbondis it also intended to make maintainers of firmware packages have to rewrite their udev rules on a 6 mo schedule? :)02:34
Keybukapparently so02:35
Keybukbtw, in Ubuntu you probably want your firmware in /lib/firmware02:35
Lathiatjdub:yeh i get the same thing02:36
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fbondKeybuk: ok, didn't want to step on toes by moving things into /lib/firmware02:37
fbondthought that might be reserved for "official" firmware02:37
pittisjoerd: ping02:38
Keybukno02:39
sjoerdpitti: pong02:39
Keybuk/lib/firmware/$(kernel version) is official02:39
Keybuk/lib/firmware itself is intended for unofficial02:39
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pittisjoerd: I just fixed hal to not rely on volume.ignore for allowing/refusing mount02:39
sjoerdrock!02:40
pittisjoerd: instead I added code to check policy for the non-policykit case02:40
sjoerdhow?02:40
pittisjoerd: upstream only checks the policy if #ifdef HAVE_POLKIT02:40
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pittisjoerd: and didn't check it *at all* if nto02:40
pittisjoerd: not, even02:40
pittisjoerd: so I added an #else and added a function check_nonpolkit_security_policy (privilege, invoked_by_uid);02:40
\shguys, do we have a policy for dealing with iceweasel/icedove build-deps/deps from debian to ubuntu? or are we providing iceweasel/icedove in our ff/tb packages?02:41
sjoerdand check_nonpolkit_security_policy does pmount like checking of things ?02:41
pittisjoerd: no, not yet; these checks need to become a bit more invasive02:42
pittisjoerd: most of them shouldn't be a problem to port, but one is hard: replacing getenv ("HAL_METHOD_INVOKED_BY_UID")02:42
pittisjoerd: I have no idea how to determine the uid from the other dbus end from the hal callout02:42
sjoerdyou can't02:43
pittithat's what I thought, too02:43
sjoerdyou need to trust hal on that one..02:43
pittiso the whole 'replace hal property checking by sysfs checks' is pointless02:43
sjoerdyup02:43
pittisjoerd: but at least I would like to check for removable/fixed policy on its own rather than relying on volume.ignore02:44
pittisjoerd: specifically because we want to set it to false for non-fstab fixed disks02:44
sjoerdyup02:44
pittisjoerd: so that gksu gnome-mount /dev/hdxx works02:44
sjoerdi'd like to remove the volume.ignore hack from the debian package completely02:44
pittisjoerd: that's what I am going to do02:44
sjoerdrock :)02:44
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sjoerdyou could try :)02:45
pittisjoerd: oh, btw, do you still have the debian-ubuntu diff explanation mail I sent you the other day? shall I send it to someone else if you are busy?02:45
sjoerdyeah i still have it, sorry about that02:45
sjoerdplease forward it to the pkg-utopia-maintainers (or whatever it's called list)02:45
pittisjoerd: ok, will do02:46
sjoerddid i already say that you rock ? :)02:46
pittithanks ;)02:46
pittisjoerd: hal@packages.d.o. won't work?02:47
sjoerddunno, that'll probably just mail to the maintainers address right ?02:48
sjoerdpkg-utopia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org is the right one02:48
pittialright02:49
pittisjoerd: sent02:50
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twbWho or what is `the SABDFL'?02:53
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xhakertwb, it's Mark Shuttleworth, Ubuntu founder.02:55
twbAh, BDFL = benevolent dicatator for life.02:55
sivangtwb: SA=Self Appointed/ SouthAfrica ;)02:56
twbAh.02:56
sivangtwb: the .za part was my joke02:57
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xhakerit was mildly funny02:58
sivangxhaker: nah, you're too kind02:58
sivangxhaker: it was bad :)02:58
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twbWhen I register my key, I get a mail from launchpad with no instructions attached.02:58
twbWhat do I do next?02:58
twbs/key/gpg key/02:59
gnomefreakgood morning mvo 03:00
twbAh, it's encrypted as well as signed.03:01
mvohey gnomefreak!03:01
ajmitchhello mvo 03:02
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pittiMithrandir: just for the sake of coordination, what are your plans for n-m? (merging, patching, etc.)03:27
Mithrandirpitti: it hasn't actually been on my radar yet; I want to update it to the newest upstream version and add a hook for it to call network-admin03:28
pittiMithrandir: ok; I have a pending patch for zeroconf stuff and I wondered whether I should apply it to the current feisty version or wait for the merge03:29
Mithrandirpitti: feel free to apply it and I'll bring it forward.03:30
pittiMithrandir: ok; it isn't really intrusive, so it shouldn't cause problems03:30
pittiMithrandir: oh, right, I remember -- the current n-m is FTBFS, so I'd need to throw two patches into it to fix that03:30
pittithey can be just dropped when merging03:31
Mithrandirpitti: oh, please. :-)03:31
pittiMithrandir: alright, thanks; then I won't get in your way any more with the zeroconf stuff03:31
Mithrandirpitti: no worries.03:32
maxbpitti | Mithrandir: Any thoughts about my apache2 bug question from earlier today? (62748)03:32
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pittimaxb: not really from my side, sorry03:33
Mithrandirmaxb: not offhand, sorry.  My brain is just about fried.03:33
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maxbAh. A case of too much going on with feisty, tearing attention away from edgy bugs?03:35
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Mithrandira case of "Tollef has been trying to push out a milestone for a week and needs a little more than two hours before he focuses heavily on something else"03:37
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Keybukdoko: NEVER upload MoM output without altering the changelog to your name, and listing the remaining changes03:53
Keybukyou must've tried pretty hard to force that03:53
dokoKeybuk: ok. no, just signed with -k03:54
Keybuknaughty03:54
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xhakerdoko: please don't forget eclipse-cdt :P04:02
dokoxhaker: I don't touch eclipse-cdt04:03
xhakeri thought you were the eclipse wiz04:03
xhakernvm then04:04
pirastdoko, hi04:04
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pittiKeybuk: could you please promote avahi-autoipd to main? (binary-only promotion)05:11
Keybukpitti: ok, update the queue please05:12
pittiKeybuk: 'update the queue'?05:12
Mithrandirpitti: done.05:12
pittiMithrandir: merci05:12
MithrandirKeybuk: binary-only, doesn't need MIR or stuff.05:12
pittiah, that queue; yes, avahi is in promoted already05:13
Keybukgood point05:15
Keybukdouble-done then :p05:15
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pittiiwj: what's the correct way of renaming a conffile nowadays? IIRC you considered http://wiki.debian.org/DpkgConffileHandling overkill?05:31
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Keybukheh05:34
Keybukif anything, that's underkill05:34
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Keybukit doesn't account for upgrades being aborted; you need equivalent in postrm and preinst too05:34
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iwjpitti: Hmmm.  I think the right answer is to have the preinst make a symlink.05:46
iwjCertainly you shouldn't do what that wiki page says.05:46
iwjNo grepping /var/lib/dpkg/status (!)05:46
pittiiwj: hm, but I really need to get rid of the old file, or things will break05:46
iwjOh, that's a pain.  Why ?  Can you avoid that ?05:47
pittiiwj: is grepping dpkg -s slightly better?05:47
iwjYes.05:47
pittiiwj: I could hack around it by changing a conffile in a different package, but then I need to touch two packages, and it would be a *really* nasty hack05:47
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pittiproblem is a script .d directory starting with 'd', but really needs to be executed last05:48
pittiso I need to rename it as zzzz_dhcdbd05:48
iwjA whole directory ?05:48
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pittiiwj: no, just the script in the .d directory05:48
iwjThis is going to be quite complicated and bI'd have to 05:49
iwjthink about it.05:49
iwjExcuse me, I seem to have keyboard/finger interaction problems today ...05:49
pittiiwj: I wanted to have a slightly modified recipe: if the old conffile is unmodified, I remove it; if it's modified, I rename it05:49
pittiand thus get the dpkg conffile question, which is really what I want here05:50
iwjDoes the contents as well as the filename change ?05:50
pittiiwj: depends, if you upgrade from edgy, yes05:50
pitti(so you'd get the question anyway)05:51
iwjKeybuk: I need to have a proper conversation with you about UdevLvm and things surrounding it.  I think there are some wrong assumptions in the spec or in me.05:51
iwjpitti: But you don't want to get the question if the user's file is identical to the old version.05:51
pittiiwj: right05:51
pittiiwj: that's why I remove it if the md5sums match05:51
pitti(in the preinst)05:52
pittisince then the new one will just get unpacked from the .deb05:52
Keybukiwj: oh?05:52
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iwjKeybuk: Well, the spec deals just with getting vgchange run but it doesn't deal with what happens next.  Which, as it happens, is nothing at all.05:53
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Keybukiwj: what should happen next?05:53
iwjKeybuk: Well, it should perhaps be mounted by something.05:53
Keybukvgchange is sufficient to get the lvm volume mountable05:53
Keybukwhich is as far as the scope of that spec cares05:54
iwjpitti: Without thinking about it too hard I think that's not an unreasonable approach but you have to think carefully about error handling.05:55
iwjYou'll have to (eg) save the old file somewhere.05:55
iwjKeybuk: The spec doesn't say what happens next.  Apparently the idea is that some udev event calls `the mountroot script' (which I can't seem to find atm ...)05:55
Keybukiwj: the spec doesn't need to05:56
iwjBut what if it's not / but /usr ?05:56
Keybukits scope is limited05:56
iwjI need to understand what's happening next so that I can test it.05:56
pittiiwj: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/tmp/dhcdbd.preinst is my current version, with dpkg -s and simplification (no postinst code)05:56
iwjI don't care what you think should or should not be in this spec.05:56
Keybukthe new block device will cause udev to emit a block-device-added event to upstart05:56
Keybukwhich will trigger an upstart job that will mount the partition05:56
pittiiwj: it would currently do the wrong thing if unpacking the new version would fail05:57
Keybukor, in the initramfs, the device existing will stop the mountroot() function from spinning, and let it mount it05:57
cjwatsonI wish dpkg -s weren't so slow05:57
iwjpitti: Right.  It doesn't look unreasonable.05:57
cjwatsonI often find myself looking at /var/lib/dpkg/status just because it's slothful otherwise05:57
iwjcjwatson: Well, err, yes ...05:57
cjwatsonwhy isn't it just morally a sed script, anyway?05:57
iwjKeybuk: Where is this code - in particular, the upstart code ?05:58
iwjOr doesn't it exist yet ?05:58
Keybukiwj: doesn't exist yet05:58
iwjAh, tricky.05:58
iwjMaybe I should wait with this until that's ready.  It's a shame that this interdependency wasn't clearer earlier ...05:59
pittiiwj: the good side is that it will never remove a modified conffile, just an unmodified one, so nothing really precious will get lost05:59
iwjpitti: Yes, but dpkg treats removed as a kind of changed.05:59
Keybukiwj: it's not a dependency05:59
Keybukthe lvm stuff is just as useful beforehand06:00
cjwatsonremoving it works if the thing you're trying to do is move a conffile from one package to another06:00
iwjKeybuk: Well, it helps a bit but if it doesn't mount automatically then you've not really gained much.06:00
Keybukiwj: we've gained the loss of a race condition06:01
iwjcjwatson: Err, you don't need to do anything special to do that any more.  I fixed that.06:01
Keybukin particular, you should be able to use udevmonitor to see the events happening in the right order06:01
Keybukand write udev rules that use the /dev/mapper directory to access LVM devices06:01
cjwatsoniwj: you do if you're writing code that needs to run with sarge dpkg, as I was doing last night :-(06:01
Keybukbeing able to mount an LVM USB stick through HAL would be a good test06:01
pittiKeybuk: btw, that test works in feisty right now06:01
iwjKeybuk: USB stick> That's exactly what I'm trying.06:02
iwjAnd the current udev rules completely suppress all dm devices.06:02
pittii. e. standard luks-encrypted usb stick will not mount in feisty06:02
cjwatsonpitti: my usual is (1) preinst install|upgrade: mv -f foo foo.moved-by-preinst; (2) postinst configure: rm -f foo.moved-by-preinst; (3) postrm abort-install|abort-upgrade: mv -f foo.moved-by-preinst foo06:02
Keybukiwj: because udev-devmapper hasn't been implemented yet06:02
pittiand suddenly will work as soon as you remove the dmX udev naming rule06:02
cjwatsonwith appropriate version checks, and replace mv with something else as appropriate06:02
iwjI think loss of a race which would break something from working is not interesting unless the thing it's racing against might work if the race were fixeds.06:02
Keybukpitti: work with a race condition06:02
pittiKeybuk: right, I meant for the sake of testing06:03
cjwatsonhmm, I suppose I should make that be dpkg-moved-by-preinst to avoid run-parts badness06:03
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iwjpitti: Yes, cjwatson has the right approach.06:03
iwjcjwatson: sarge> Yes.06:03
pitticjwatson: great, thanks06:03
Keybukcjwatson: that's my approach too, iirc06:03
iwjKeybuk: So what I'm saying is that udev-lvm doesn't do anyone any good without at least some additional work.06:03
Keybukiwj: yes06:03
Keybukit was one small spec in a set06:03
iwjRight.  The `sister' specs like udev-evms were clear to me and are mentioned but the other parts (up and down the stack, as it were) weren't.06:04
Keybukiwj: they're right there, in LP06:04
Keybukmarked as dependencies and dependers in either direction06:05
iwjOh, there.  Sorry, I'm a fool.06:05
cjwatsonsigh, it would be nice if resize2fs had machine-parseable progress display06:05
Keybukcjwatson: yeah, I move the modified in preinst/install|upgrade; remove unmodified or complete the move in postinst/configure; and undo the move in postrm/abort-install|abort-upgrade06:06
Keybuk(udev has a copy of my usual prep_rm_conffile/prep_mv_conffile/rm_conffile/mv_conffile/undo_rm_conffile/undo_mv_conffile functions06:06
Keybukiwj: heh, what does that make the rest of us then? :p06:06
cjwatsonKeybuk: I was having fun with openssh upgrades from sarge last night, so it's still fresh in my mind06:06
cjwatsoniwj: BTW, do you happen to remember if said conffile bug in dpkg that you fixed was non-deterministic in any way? I couldn't reproduce the ssh->(openssh-client,openssh-server) upgrade problems that people were reporting, but I have no reason to doubt that they're there sometimes06:07
iwjKeybuk: Right, UdevDeviceMapper makes life a lot clearer and I'll go away and play with things some more.06:07
cjwatsonor was it the every-other-conffile-in-status-file thing I vaguely remember?06:08
iwjcjwatson: I don't think it was actually nondeterministic but IIRC it could depend on things that the correct processing wouldn't depend on.06:08
iwjIn particular, it could depend on whether you removed one package and installed the other, or did a Replaces/Conflicts in-one-go.06:08
cjwatsonoh joy06:08
cjwatsonhey, e2fsck has nice-ish machine progress information though06:10
cjwatson... but mke2fs' is crap06:13
iwjI wish udev had better debugging support.06:13
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Keybukiwj: what's wrong with it?06:16
iwjDevel team meeting is 0800Z tomorrow, isn't it ?06:16
iwjKeybuk: Well, it's a programming language but I can't get a good trace of who did what.06:17
Keybukdid you increase the log level?06:17
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Keybukudevcontrol log_priority=info06:17
bluefoxicyI have a simple question:  Is Ubuntu/Canonical making any money through CD sales?06:18
iwjKeybuk: Yes, I had that already.06:18
bluefoxicy(More directly, would it be a huge sin to release a program that downloaded an official CD/DVD image and label; printed the label on standard templates; and burned the CD, thus simulating a pressed+printed CD)06:18
iwjKeybuk: But I have to go catch my train to Stowmarket to go climbing now.  Talk to you tomorrow if you like ...06:19
Keybuksure06:20
Keybukyou can turn on full debugging with a recompiel06:20
Keybukit's off because it can effectively fill an entire disk with a single boot <g>06:20
Keybukanyway06:21
Keybuktomorrow06:21
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dholbachGloubiboulga: YOU ROCK :)06:31
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pitticjwatson: wrt. your conffile approach, don't the postrm bits need to go into the old version of the package?06:38
cjwatsonpitti: n06:39
cjwatsonno06:39
cjwatsonthe new postrm is called when rolling back06:39
pittioh, how convenient06:40
pittithanks06:40
cjwatsonfor precisely this reason, I suspect :)06:40
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pittihi erdalronahi 06:42
erdalronahihi06:42
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erdalronahiPitti, I always mix up you and doko06:43
erdalronahithe openoffice-langpack is his work, isnt it?06:43
pittiright06:43
erdalronahithe new packs in -proposed are fine as I can see06:44
pittierdalronahi: ah, thanks for testing; did you look at both edgy/dapper?06:44
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erdalronahino, not at dapper06:45
erdalronahiwell, I looked at Dapper,06:45
erdalronahibut didn't test it carefully06:46
erdalronahiAnyway, as long as there is not multicast, we do not work on Dapper 06:46
erdalronahiwas it "multicast"?06:46
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dholbachSUPER-PITTI!06:48
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pittihm?06:48
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dholbach P I T T I !06:49
dholbachyou just uploaded a network-manager fix :-)06:49
derekSdholbach: you are a maintener of a package i like, and a new version is out, when you have a minute, can you upload the new one?06:49
derekSwould help if i gave the package name06:50
derekS"tilda"06:50
dholbach0.09.4?06:50
pittidholbach: well, it won't work before I actually finish this dhcdbdbdbd package (2 minutes for the fix, one hour to get the upgrade right *sigh*)06:50
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keescookI reported to someone that they should use strncpy instead of strcpy06:51
dholbachkeescook: what's wrong?06:51
dholbachderekS: 0.09.4?06:51
pittikeescook: and they forgot to ensure the terminating 0?06:51
keescookThey replaced their strcpy with: strncpy( dest, src, strlen(src) + 1)06:51
cjwatsonhaha06:51
pitti hahaha06:51
cjwatsonplease to be aiming gun *away* from foot06:51
derekSdholbach: yeah06:51
dholbachderekS: already uploaded some days ago06:52
derekSdholbach: oh, mybad06:52
derekSsorry about that :)06:52
derekSthanks06:52
dholbachderekS: we were frozen for herd1 for a while06:52
siretartis it nowadays possible to configure static ips with network-manager?06:52
derekSdholbach: ahh, thats why it didn't make it... i waited for a while, figured i would ask06:52
dholbachright06:52
derekSthanks06:52
dholbachanytime06:53
derekSwhen does the freeze end?06:53
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pittiderekS: some hours ago06:53
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derekSpitti: so packages should start to make there way into the repos soon?06:54
cjwatsonthey already have06:54
pittiderekS: the sources already did06:54
pittiderekS: the buildds have to chew through them now, of course06:54
derekSahh... is there away to get the buildlogs06:54
derekSlike we used to?06:54
pittiderekS: see DeveloperResources wiki page06:55
derekSthanks06:55
HumanPrototypesiretart, I sure hope someone says yes06:55
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derekShave a nice afternoon06:56
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pitticjwatson: ./update'ing ubuntu-meta fails with a 404 on downloading the ia64 package lists; did we drop ia64?06:58
cjwatsonnot to my knowledge, and it worked for me when I last tried07:00
pittihmm, I tried it twice now07:01
cjwatsonah, somebody broke ports07:01
cjwatsonelmo: http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/ no longer exists; what happened?07:01
elmogar, sorry07:02
elmocjwatson: the machine got upgraded, space wise and apparently that got lost07:02
alex-weejso i just installed a fresh ubuntu07:02
alex-weejand my LC_* variables are all en_US.UTF-807:03
alex-weeji'm sure i told it to be normal english on installation...o_007:03
cjwatsonthat is normal English07:03
alex-weejor was that just keyboard prefs?07:03
cjwatsoni.e. it's the default07:03
cjwatsonYM British English?07:03
alex-weeji mean English English, bitch! :P07:04
alex-weej(yes)07:04
cjwatsonI speak British English too, but I'm also aware of what the defaults are ;)07:04
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alex-weejok07:04
alex-weejso is this a bug?07:04
cjwatsonalex-weej: hang on07:04
alex-weejor did i just imagine that i told ubiquity i was from the UK07:04
cjwatsonlook at /var/log/installer/syslog07:04
alex-weejcjwatson: on it07:05
cjwatsonunfortunately I've just been reminded that I have to go to take the child to chess club07:05
cjwatsonback in a bit ...07:05
alex-weejcjwatson: ok, cya07:05
Spadscjwatson: can you check for me if ubuntu-ports looks good now?07:07
tsmithebah british english should be the default! we are the original english!07:07
pittiSpads: works here07:07
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_ionFinnish English!07:08
alex-weejLojban should be the default07:09
alex-weeji can't find any reference to locale settings in the installer log07:09
_ionalex-weej: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/lojban.png07:10
alex-weej_ion: :P07:10
alex-weejok07:10
alex-weejfirst of all07:10
alex-weejwhat is the ubuntu way of changing my locale settings to their rightful en_GB? :P07:10
alex-weejis it the LANG setting in /etc/environment?07:11
alex-weejactually I'm sure i need to generate my locales first07:11
Lurealex-weej: there is also /etc/default/locale07:12
alex-weejhmm07:12
alex-weejnot good07:12
alex-weejwhy two places? :S07:12
Spadspitti: cool, thanks07:13
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seb128alex-weej: use system, admin, language 07:14
_ionalex-weej: If you're running X, gnome-language-selector handles installing packages and generating locales.07:14
seb128alex-weej: otherwise /etc/environment is the place07:14
_ion/etc/default/locale doesn't exist on my system.07:15
alex-weejseb128, _ion: ok thanks07:15
seb128np07:15
alex-weej_ion: it does on my fresh edgy07:15
alex-weejseb128: interestingly, firing it up for the first time prompts me to install language stuff for Ooo07:15
alex-weejshould i file a bug?07:16
seb128yeah, I think dictionnaries etc don't fit on the CD07:16
alex-weejoic07:16
alex-weejok next question07:16
seb128speak to cjwatson about it when he's back07:16
alex-weejnow that I've just set it for "new accounts and the login screen"07:16
alex-weejhow do i set it for my existing account?07:16
seb128he probably knows if those things should be installed with the language-packs after install07:16
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seb128alex-weej: it'll use the system default, or pick a different language from gdm before login07:17
pittiseb128: 'those things'?07:17
seb128pitti: <alex-weej> seb128: interestingly, firing it up for the first time prompts me to install language stuff for Ooo07:17
seb128pitti: looks like -support not installed07:17
pittialex-weej: ^ right, that's what it's supposed to do, complete language support for you07:17
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alex-weejpitti: it didn't even give me the option of doing anything, as soon as i ran it it said i was missing stuff07:18
seb128pitti: why does it wait for the language-selector to be started? shouldn't that be installed with language-packs from internet by ubiquity?07:18
pittiseb128: -en is a special case, since the en-gb OO.o help is not a dependency of l-support-en07:18
pittiseb128: so this will happen for en_GB folks07:19
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alex-weejok next thing to throw in the pot07:19
alex-weeji ran dpkg-reconfigure on locales07:19
pittithe reason is that we want l-support-en on CD07:19
seb128pitti: well, it's confusing :)07:19
pittiand thus it can't depend on the en-gb OO.o help07:19
pittiseb128: right, it is07:19
pittialex-weej: that won't do what you want07:19
alex-weejit generated all the other en_* locales (en_US was already "up to date"). what's with that? were they not already generated? would language-selector have dealt with it if i hadn't done so prior to running it?07:19
pittialex-weej: I strongly presume that the locales were okay before07:20
pittijust the caching code is a bit broken07:20
alex-weejpitti: it seems a bit of a coincidence that en_US was up to date07:20
alex-weeji will make a note and investigtae07:20
alex-weejseb128: did i accidentally choose en_US in ubiquity then?07:23
alex-weejseb128: or does it just not even ask?07:23
pittialex-weej: it's been a while since I did an English install, I'm not sure; d-i does ask for a region, not sure about ubiquity07:24
mjg59It's based on the area you select in the timezone selection07:24
alex-weeji don't think anyone living in Europe/London wants to use en_US07:25
alex-weej:P07:25
mjg59At least, I think so. I haven't checked the code.07:25
alex-weejok07:25
mjg59alex-weej: I always get en_GB07:25
alex-weeji will have a look some time07:25
mjg59So there's not a general failing07:25
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alex-weejok i got another one for yas07:39
alex-weejhttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/7465707:39
UbugtuMalone bug 74657 in Ubuntu "floppy0 comes out of nowhere" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  07:39
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lamontdoko: curious about your bind9 upload...08:06
lamontor rather, curious about why ubuntu switched to only allowing recursion on localnets...08:06
lamontsince (1) localnets is generally incorrect for the application...08:06
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cjwatsonalex-weej: as mjg59 says - I've never encountered that particular problem. wouldn't mind looking at the syslog in case it's illuminating in any way, and a precise description of what you did would be good08:13
cjwatsonit's possible that going back and forward in ubiquity could confuse that bit of code08:13
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alex-weeji didn't go back and forth08:13
cjwatsonok08:13
alex-weeji'll post my installer log later08:13
alex-weejmates cooking curry08:13
alex-weejgotta join08:14
cjwatsonsure08:14
alex-weejcya in a bit08:14
cjwatsonlojban> we don't have a lojban installer translation ;-)08:14
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jdonglol08:15
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BalachmarHi, I might have found a bug, which I would like to get resolved.08:31
BalachmarI can't seem to find the ubuntu-bugs channel08:31
BalachmarSo I thought to drop it here...08:31
Adri2000Balachmar: /join #ubuntu-bugs08:32
Balachmarok, sorry :)08:32
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Adri2000any idea how to fix a FTBFS like that?08:57
Adri2000/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ldbus-glib-108:57
Adri2000collect2: ld returned 1 exit status08:57
mjg59build-depend on whatever package provides that08:58
slomoAdri2000: or add a dependency on libdbus-glib-1-dev to the package that references it via a pkg-config file or .la or whatever...09:00
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Adri2000the package I'm trying to build is gnome-phone-manager, it built fine on edgy buildds, but now it doesn't build either in an edgy pbuilder or a feisty pbuilder09:04
Adri2000slomo: libdbus-glib-1-dev is a new package?09:05
slomono09:06
Adri2000currently there is no *dbus* build-dep, and it built fine in edgy09:06
slomoit's probably one of the build depednencies of gnome-phone-manager that needs this added09:07
Adri2000something that used to depend on libdbus-glib-1-dev, and doesn't anymore in feisty? is it possible?09:08
slomono, something that did not depend on dbus-glib in edgy but does now in feisty... and someone forgot to add the dependency09:09
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Adri2000slomo: are we talking of the same "something"? :p I meant something = a build-dep of gnome-phone-manager09:10
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slomoAdri2000: yes, that's the something i meant too ;) well, let's see...09:11
seb128I think that's a gnome-vfs change09:12
seb128you need libgnomeui uptodate09:12
seb128I didn't rebuild 3 packages which mentionned wrongly libdbus-glib after the gnome-vfs change09:13
seb128libbonobo(ui) libgnomeui and some other one09:13
seb128the libgnomeui build has probably be blocked by the freeze for herd1 though09:13
Chipzzseb128: libdbus-glib-1 doesn't exist anymore iirc, it's libdbus-glib-1-209:13
seb128grab the new version now and retry with it09:14
MithrandirChipzz: next version is going to be libdbus-glib-1-2-3 ?09:14
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seb128Chipzz: the -dev is still named libdbus-glib-1-dev09:14
Chipzzseb128: ah k09:14
Chipzzthe vmware guys should rebuild vmware player and server against new dbus :(09:15
seb128Adri2000, slomo: read what I just write09:15
Chipzzbleh09:15
seb128wrote09:15
ulaasmy mx3000 logitech usb mouse went crazy after upg to feisty09:15
ulaaswhere should i report.09:15
Adri2000seb128: that is what someone said to me, but I saw a new libgnomeui today, isn't it the right one?09:15
ChipzzMithrandir: dbus is supposed to be stable now ;)09:15
seb128Adri2000: grep libdbus-glib /usr/lib/*.la09:15
Chipzzdidn't we get rid of all .la files?09:16
seb128Chipzz: no09:16
Chipzz(or most of them anyway)09:16
slomoChipzz: libdbus is meant to be stable now... but not the glib, qt, whatever bindings09:16
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seb128Chipzz: we are getting there but not yet09:16
seb128going there09:16
Chipzzseb128: that's what I thought, but wasn't that like half a year ago or more? I presumed we would already be there by now ;)09:17
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seb128Chipzz: well, getting ride of a .la usually force to rebuild all the package mentionning it and in the right order09:18
Adri2000seb128: grep libdbus-glib /usr/lib/*.la < it should find something?09:18
seb128Chipzz: which can be hundred of packages09:18
ChipzzMithrandir: and the next version will probably be libdbus-glib-1-309:18
Chipzz;)09:18
slomoseb128: how would a rebuild fix this? it's a missing dependency of one -dev package... in this case libgnomebt-dev 09:18
Adri2000seb128: in my pbuilder-feisty, with libdbus-glib-1-dev, it finds nothing09:19
ulaasslomo, oh hi.09:19
seb128Adri2000: yep, or the bug is not the one I'm thinking about09:19
slomohi ulaas :)09:19
seb128Adri2000: and the package fails to build09:19
seb128slomo: it's not, it's an inflated depends to .la09:19
Adri2000yes09:19
seb128slomo: rebuild get ride of the .la extra entry09:19
slomoseb128: ah ok09:20
seb128Adri2000: does your package use dbus directly?09:20
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ulaashehe! gotta love bitchx09:21
seb128Adri2000: what package do you try to build?09:21
Adri2000seb128: it's gnome-phone-manager, and I only made a fix for the icon file09:22
Adri2000so I don't really know about dbus :)09:22
seb128Adri2000: let me look09:22
ulaasno one else has crazy mouse symptoms around?09:22
seb128ulaas: no09:22
seb128ulaas: xorg didn't change for a while now09:23
ulaasseb128 kernel related?09:23
seb128might be09:23
seb128do you use some sort of special device?09:23
ulaasseb128: i have a combo mx3000 from logitech09:23
sladenulaas: PS/2 interface, or USB?09:24
ulaasseb128: same conf as then one i used in edgy09:24
ulaasseb128: USB09:24
ulaasseb128: i mean a usb receiver09:24
bhalemaybe... you have a dead battery09:25
jdongha09:25
ulaasbhale: maybe upgrading to feisty made it die :)09:25
jdonghardware problem09:25
jdong:)09:25
maswanMithrandir: I have _no_ idea why I'm only getting 200k/s update speed.09:26
maswanMithrandir: I'm getting good numbers to the filesystem09:26
Mithrandirmaswan: according to Znarl, the routing is fine, so something is really weird, somewhere.09:26
Mithrandir(or at least was fine this morning)09:26
maswanMithrandir: *nods*09:27
ulaasok! i am not here for a solution. just wanted you good people to know there is such a thing. If you find out some other people are effected as well please let me know. maybe i can help. my launchpad nick should be ulaas.09:27
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seb128ulaas: ok, thank you for pointing the issue, maybe opening a launchpad bug would be a good idea too09:28
ulaasseb128: will do so when i finished investigating more09:28
maswanMithrandir: Hmm.. I'm not getting better speeds from cdimage.u.c from other hosts though.09:29
maswan(just tried 3 different networks)09:29
Mithrandirmaswan: might be slow now due to herd 1, though I somewhat doubt it.09:30
Mithrandirmaswan: I also get shit speed to it now.09:30
maswanMithrandir: *nods*, so we'll poke Znarl tomorrow during dc business hours? ;)09:30
Mithrandirhmm, something weird here, from a host which usually gives me ~45Mbit, I now get ~4.5Mbit.09:31
Mithrandirmaswan: yeah, I guess so09:31
tsmitheMithrandir, something weird here09:33
tsmithefrom a host that usually gives me ~2MBit, i'm getting ~0.5Mbit09:33
tsmitheso yours is pretty bloody fast09:33
maswanMithrandir: Well it was slow to begin with, since I only got 400kB/s starting out at the mirroring09:35
Mithrandirmaswan: yeah, and that was before the announce and all, so it shouldn't have had any load to speak of then anyway.09:35
maswanMithrandir: my first directory (/releases) went at 470k/s, second (edubuntu/releases) went at 222k/s, third dir is still running09:37
seb128Adri2000: 09:39
seb128# grep dbus-glib-1 /usr/lib/*.la09:39
seb128/usr/lib/libgnomebt.la:dependency_libs=' 09:39
seb128etc09:39
seb128Adri2000: on my feisty pbuilder09:39
seb128Adri2000: libgnomebt needs a rebuild, I'll do that now09:39
Adri2000seb128: with what packages installed?09:39
seb128apt-get build-dep gnome-phone-manager from a clean pbuilder09:40
seb128i386 feisty09:40
seb128with apt-get update before09:40
seb128so it's current uptodate09:40
seb128weird that you don't have that09:41
Adri2000I had only installed libdbus-glib-1-dev09:42
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seb128Adri2000: well09:42
seb128<Adri2000> seb128: grep libdbus-glib /usr/lib/*.la < it should find something?09:42
seb128<Adri2000> seb128: in my pbuilder-feisty, with libdbus-glib-1-dev, it finds nothing09:42
seb128that is weird09:43
seb128are you sure you had all the build-depends for gnome-phone-manager installed?09:43
Adri2000no :) I'm installing all the build-dep at the moment09:44
Adri2000with all the B-D it works09:45
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seb128Adri2000: sure, you installed dbus-glib-dev09:46
seb128anyway get the new libgnomebt when gnome-bluetooth has built09:46
seb128I've just uploaded the package09:46
seb128you can upload gnome-btdownload if you want09:47
seb128ups09:47
seb128gnome--phone-manager09:47
seb128gnome-phone-manager09:47
Adri2000seb128: so gnome-phone-manager should build when the new libgnomebt/gnome-bluetooth is built?09:49
seb128correct09:50
seb128I've deleted /usr/lib/libgnomebt.la in my pbuilder and retried and it built fine09:51
Adri2000ok, thank you :)09:54
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alex-weejok10:01
alex-weejit seems disc drives are statically configured in fstab - is there no way to dynamically detect drives as well as the media that goes in them?10:01
alex-weeji don't think people would normally think of updating an fstab if they installed a new DVD burner10:03
seb128Adri2000: np10:05
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alex-weejhere's a question for the pros, can i safely read-only mount a filesystem on a loop that is actively being written to?10:17
alex-weejsorry wrong channel10:17
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T`hi.. i want to repackage my own deb package from new sources for verve-plugin... is there some tutorial on how to do this? and is there a .spec equivalent for .deb?10:23
mc44T`: ask for help in #ubuntu-motu10:25
T`mc44, thanks10:25
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superm1_i was looking at the source for ubuntu-meta, and I don't see how "ubuntu-desktop" gets placed into the "Meta Packages" section.  debian/control doesn't specify a section.11:12
superm1_could someone explain how it is getting placed here?11:12
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jorgpwhere should I go for a backporting pbuilder problem? #ubuntu-motu everyone is asleep11:18
superm1_jorgp, how did you generate the P builder?11:18
superm1_from the ubuntu packaging guide?11:18
superm1_*pbuilder11:18
superm1_http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/gs-pbuilder.html ?11:19
jorgpim using edgy, wanted to backport a package to dapper11:19
superm1_right11:19
superm1_so did you make a dapper pbuilder11:19
superm1_per that guide?11:19
jorgpI did sudo pbuilder create --distribution dapper11:19
jorgpyes11:20
superm1_does the package depend on anything in universe or multiverse?11:20
jorgpthat part works fine11:20
jorgpno11:20
jorgpmy problem is the package when I run sudo pbuilder build package.dsc11:21
superm1_okay well that looks right then11:21
superm1_what package?11:21
jorgpthe configure of the package says configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables11:21
jorgpwine11:21
superm1_had to pick one i cant try on amd64 huh?11:22
_ionHave you installed build-essential?11:22
Chipzzjorgp: wrong channel11:22
Chipzzjorgp: check config.log11:22
jorgpyes11:22
superm1_jorgp your not trying on AMD64 too are you?11:22
jorgpno11:22
Chipzzjorgp: this channel is about the development OF ubuntu, not development WITH ubuntu11:22
superm1_okay msg me11:22
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cjwatsonsuperm1_: metapackages> it's overridden centrally in the archive11:30
cjwatsonshould probably be synced into the package at some point11:30
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superm1_cjwatson, so if i wanted to create a package that went into the Meta Packages group, would i add "Section Meta\ Packages" to debian/control?11:30
cjwatsonthere is no space, and no capitals11:31
cjwatson"Section: metapackages"11:31
superm1_ah 11:31
cjwatson"Meta Packages" is just presentation11:31
superm1_that explains my build problems that were failing at the very end11:31
superm1_i see11:31
superm1_thanks cjwatson.  your also the main dev on ubiquity right?11:33
cjwatsonyes11:34
superm1_well i wanted to ask you how you would feel about a second ubiquity installer, derived from it for installing a mythtv specific system11:34
geserwould an update to gnupg2 2.0.1 (plus fix for CVE-2006-6235) be accepted for feisty?11:35
superm1_i was planning such a project in the coming months, and would like to have it included during the normal ubiquity build, and jst generate two different binaries11:35
superm1_an ordinary ubiquity installer and the mythtv version11:35
superm1_the plan would then be to have live disks that could be distributed to install myth specific systems11:36
superm1_and i really didnt want to bring this into a derivative project, but keep it in the ubuntu family11:36
crimsungeser: what does 2.0.1 add over 2.0.0?11:37
crimsungeser: check w/ keescook, btw, since he uploaded gnupg 11:39
geserit has some support for the keypad of my smartcard reader which I would like to use11:39
keescookgeser: from the security perspective, as long as the CVE fix is included, I don't mind (I actually just uploaded gnupg2 with the CVE fixed)11:40
crimsunyep, that's what I figured, since I saw gnupg uploaded11:41
geserkeescook: would you sponsor the upload once I've packages ready?11:42
keescookgeser: sure. is the 2.0.1 from Debian, or new packaging?11:43
geserDebian has no 2.0.1 yet (and with the upcoming freeze I don't really believe it will be included)11:45
geserit's a new orig.tar.gz with the current diff.gz (minus the .in changes)11:45
keescookgeser: sounds like a quick review.  :)  sure, let me know when you have it ready.11:46
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superm1_cjwatson, i'm not sure you saw what i posted above, but what do you think of this idea?11:50
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cjwatsonsuperm1_: if you just need it to install different stuff, all you need to do is make the fillive filesystem have different contents11:56
cjwatsonyou don't need to modify the installer for that11:57
superm1_well some of the installed stuff will be custom11:57
superm1_say for a frontend only box11:57
superm1_versus a backend only box11:57
superm1_but i'd like to be able to install from the same disk for both cases11:57
superm1_so i was figuring have the common packages on the disk, but then an extra section to install the extra packages for each in the installer11:58
cjwatsonI'm happy to discuss that sort of thing, but a separate ubiquity binary isn't appropriate - that sort of thing should be configuration11:59
superm1_Ok.11:59
cjwatsonmail me with specifics of the situation and I can make suggestions12:00
superm1_Okay i will do.  i have to finish brainstorming some ideas, and then i will12:00
superm1_thanks for the help12:00
cjwatsonnp12:01
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jmghello all12:09
jmgis anyone aware of issues with lvm support in edgy12:09
jmgi only see one open bug in launchpad12:09
jmgi am experiencing extremely unusual behavior12:10
LaserJockif a bug is open then people then I guess people are aware12:11

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