[05:16] <nixternal> man, i am going through the handbook, restructuring it after the KDG & UDG..the content is loaded with :)
[08:56] <robotgeek> morning mdke
[08:56] <Burgundavia> morning mdke
[08:57] <robotgeek> i'm just about to go to bed.
[08:57] <robotgeek> hi Burgundavia :)
[08:58] <robotgeek> anyways, night all. and cya in about 10 days or so!
[08:58] <mdke> have fun
[08:58] <robotgeek> thanks
[09:17] <mdke> mpt: around?
[09:19] <mpt> mdke, yo
[09:19] <mdke> yo indeed.
[09:19] <mpt> sorry
[09:19] <mpt> mdke, Yes sir!
[09:20] <mpt> :-)
[09:20] <mdke> eh?
[09:20] <mpt> nm
[09:21] <mdke> anyway. Still bugging you about topic based help. We need to try and get these categories sorted
[09:21] <mpt> ok
[09:21] <mpt> should I add comments to the wiki page?
[09:21] <mpt> or mail the mailing list?
[09:21] <mdke> either. A tricky question seems to be what to do with the Gnome user guide
[09:21] <mdke> or equivalents for Kubuntu
[09:22] <mpt> There is no good answer pre-Mallard
[09:22] <mpt> but then there never has been, TopicBasedHelp or not
[09:22] <mpt> hmm
[09:22] <mdke> right, but there's no point not using the material
[09:22] <mdke> at the absolute worst we can fork it
[09:23] <mdke> and turn specific sections that we want to use into documents, rather than using it all
[09:23] <mpt> Well, it will always show up in search results
[09:23] <mdke> some parts of it fit well with "documents, files and folders" in your categories
[09:24] <mdke> also "customising settings"
[09:27] <mdke> mpt: also, you can take a look at the sandbox implementation at branches/topic-based-help, if you like
[09:28] <mpt> cool
[09:28] <mpt> I saw some mention of a bzr repository
[09:29] <mdke> Riddell was pushing it. I tried to download it but gave up after nothing happened in 30 minutes
[09:29] <mpt> ok
[09:29] <mpt> I've reported various bugs that bzr's progress feedback isn't quite as good as it could be
[09:30] <mdke> yes, it's appalling - I can understand that downloading the whole history will take a long time (although I didn't at the time), but it doesn't tell you anything, except this 1/4 [09:31] <Burgundavia> big repos take ages
[09:31] <Burgundavia> the marketing one took 20 minutes
[09:33] <mpt> Unfortunately that first part, the revision history, has no feedback at all
[09:34] <mpt> At least, that's the case for a push, probably the same for a pull
[09:34] <mpt> bug 60171
[09:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60171 in bzr "bzr push appears to do nothing for several minutes" [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60171
[09:35] <Mithrandir> mpt: it ought to be fairly trivial to first get an estimate of the size you need to pull and then use the progress bar against that.
[09:35] <mpt> yes
[09:41] <mdke> hi lloydinho_
[09:49] <Mithrandir> if somebody has time to proofread the herd 1 announcement on http://err.no/tmp/herd-1.txt, that'd be good.
[09:50] <mpt> mdke, commented on the wiki page
[09:50] <mdke> thanks
[09:54] <mpt> Mithrandir, my only suggestions would be (1) change "system or who" to "system, or anyone who" and (2) "as images" to "images"
[09:54] <Mithrandir> there's not supposed to be a comma in the first one, is there?
[09:55] <Mithrandir> mpt: I rewrote the second bit a little.
[09:55] <mpt> Without the comma, one's brain spends a second or two trying to make a stable system itself be comfortable running into breakage
[09:56] <mpt> actually, that's not true
[09:56] <mpt> It's the "anyone" that solves that problem
[09:57] <mpt> The comma makes the sentence, now with its extra "anyone", breathable :-)
[10:04] <mdke> mpt: at some stage today I'll comment on your comments... got to run now, thanks
[10:09] <lloydinho_> oh, hey guys. Sorry I haven't been around much lately. University deadlines and all...
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[01:23] <mpt> Hello lloydinho_
[01:24] <mpt> Look at the mess we've started :-)
[02:08] <mpt> http://codex.gallery2.org/index.php/Codex:Reorganization -- card-sorting for categorization of help topics
[02:20] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm trying to edit this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FaqOnIrc to add this information https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade but the inter wiki linking isn't worknig
[02:20] <Admiral_Chicago> can anyone help?
[02:21] <mpt> Admiral_Chicago, you could just use a normal link
[02:21] <mpt> [https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade link text] 
[02:21] <Admiral_Chicago> mpt: i'm not too good with wikis, what is the formating [www] link right?
[02:22] <Admiral_Chicago> text is the description?
[02:24] <Admiral_Chicago> nevermind i got it
[02:24] <Admiral_Chicago> thanks
[08:50] <LaserJock> hi mdke
[10:44] <nixternal> doc.ubuntu.com stopped building it seems on November 19th
[10:53] <mdke> check if there is an invalid document in one of the build targets
[10:54] <mdke> if "make all" doesn't build, the cronjob for the relevant build will break
[10:58] <nixternal> roger
[10:58] <nixternal> thanks