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| zul | BenC: ping got a couple of minutes | 12:51 |
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| zul | ? | 12:51 |
| BenC | zul: Just a little | 12:52 |
| zul | sure so what should we do for the xen kernel? | 12:52 |
| zul | since there isnt going to be paravirt-ops | 12:52 |
| BenC | zul: I'm thinking unless something amazing happens, you should probably keep linux-source-2.6.17 around to build xen with | 12:53 |
| zul | yeah thats going to be a problem since udev doesnt like 2.6.17 under fiesty | 12:53 |
| BenC | we want to keep it in sync with one of our tarballs, but it looks like that wont be 2.6.20 | 12:53 |
| BenC | maybe we can talk to Keybuk about some edgy compatibility in udev | 12:54 |
| zul | sure.. | 12:54 |
| zul | i can try with 2.6.20 as well | 12:54 |
| Keybuk | BenC: ? | 12:54 |
| zul | BenC, well let me try with 2.6.20 before we pull the trigger | 12:56 |
| BenC | Keybuk: Some people are saying that feisty udev + edgy kernel == badness | 12:56 |
| Keybuk | BenC: should work fine, unless they need ide-generic | 12:56 |
| zul | more like udev initramfs-tools badness | 12:56 |
| BenC | edgy initramfs-tools? | 12:56 |
| BenC | maybe explains the problem | 12:57 |
| zul | yeah spits out a warning | 12:57 |
| Keybuk | ah, hmm | 12:57 |
| Keybuk | actually udev requires 2.6.19 | 12:57 |
| Keybuk | in feisty | 12:57 |
| Keybuk | so initramfs-tools will refuse to make the initramfs | 12:57 |
| zul | meh.. | 12:58 |
| zul | ok ill try to head to 2.6.20 then | 12:58 |
| ajmitch | Keybuk: yeah, I've already had issues with trying to test xen updates, a bit of a pain | 12:59 |
| zul | bald is what ill be then ;) | 12:59 |
| Keybuk | ajmitch: the pain is outweighed against the pain of trying to guess anything that could break in 2.6.17 | 12:59 |
| ajmitch | kids will do that to you :) | 12:59 |
| kylem | pfft, just buy more hardwar. | 12:59 |
| kylem | to hell with this virtualization stuff. | 12:59 |
| Keybuk | kylem: ENOMONEY | 12:59 |
| zul | kylem: ditto ENOMONEY | 01:00 |
| kylem | just stop buying food | 01:00 |
| zul | well redhat looks like its doing 2.6.19 maybe that could be a happy medium | 01:00 |
| kylem | GAH | 01:00 |
| kylem | 6391 N Jeannette Mcgra Jeannette check this. | 01:00 |
| zul | kylem: yeah im fat enough | 01:00 |
| kylem | everytime i add to my .procmailrc, they change the damn thing | 01:01 |
| Keybuk | tbh, I'd be really unhappy supporting divergent kernels | 01:01 |
| Keybuk | e.g. if we go ahead and do the user-space binding in feisty | 01:01 |
| Keybuk | then udev will be relying on that | 01:01 |
| Keybuk | which won't work if you ran 2.6.19+xen | 01:01 |
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| ajmitch | I've already had enough issues with mdadm in feisty | 01:01 |
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| Keybuk | ajmitch: don't run feisty | 01:01 |
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| Keybuk | your system will be failing to boot for most of the development process | 01:02 |
| ajmitch | I just don't reboot it very often | 01:02 |
| zul | i wouldnt mind kvm but that eleminates alot of people from using virtualization | 01:02 |
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| zul | including me | 01:02 |
| ajmitch | and I sort of need to test some of these things on hardware, which means running feisty | 01:02 |
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| ajmitch | xen in vmware doesn't go so fast | 01:02 |
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| zul | BenC: what about backporting paravirt? | 01:03 |
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| zul | breezy kernel uploaded and accepted | 01:36 |
| kylem | zul, cool, thanks. | 01:38 |
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| zul | sweet...a twisted sister christmas | 02:46 |
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| xhaker | current feisty-alternate image presented odd behavior. I point my finger not only to debian-installer and the kernel until proof of the contrary. | 03:10 |
| xhaker | If someone is still there and willing to hear say so | 03:11 |
| BenC | describe it | 03:21 |
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| lifeless | xhaker: I think BenC wants to know what was odd | 03:55 |
| xhaker | BenC, sorry I was filling a bug report about it. You can read it here. I assigned it to Colin Watson. But you should see it. since it is kernel related also | 03:55 |
| xhaker | https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/74592 | 03:55 |
| xhaker | lifeless, ;) | 03:55 |
| BenC | you shouldn't assign it till it's confirmed | 03:56 |
| xhaker | BenC, I didn't realize. I was trying to get colin's attention though. | 03:56 |
| BenC | ok, none of that is a kernel bug | 03:57 |
| BenC | the hda->sda thing is because we are switching from ide to ata modules..ata uses the scsi subsystem | 03:58 |
| BenC | xhaker: Some of those issues may be know, so you may want to search debian-installer reports | 03:59 |
| xhaker | BenC, my hard drive isn't scsi? :( joke | 03:59 |
| xhaker | I don't think there are reports of these. | 04:01 |
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| AnAnt | BenC: ping | 05:09 |
| BenC | AnAnt: yo | 05:10 |
| AnAnt | BenC: I am using Edgy, and I found out that it doesn't support SD cards | 05:10 |
| BenC | AnAnt: That's correct | 05:10 |
| AnAnt | BenC: although in dapper it did | 05:10 |
| BenC | are you sure? | 05:10 |
| AnAnt | BenC: well, let me correct this | 05:11 |
| AnAnt | while Edgy was still beta, I used Dapper's kernel | 05:11 |
| AnAnt | but I applied a 2 line patch to support > 1GB cards | 05:11 |
| AnAnt | and some colleage lent me his SD and I used it with that kernel (which was only patched to support >1GB cards) and it worked | 05:12 |
| AnAnt | I will try it again later today to make sure though | 05:12 |
| AnAnt | as I still have that kernel here | 05:12 |
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| lifeless | BenC: I have a SD card - or at least its ~ that form factor :) and it worked on dapper, edgy and fisty | 05:13 |
| AnAnt | what's ~ ? | 05:15 |
| BenC | around/about | 05:15 |
| lifeless | its a sdcard slot, but it may be a less-proprietary card is what I mean | 05:15 |
| AnAnt | oh | 05:16 |
| AnAnt | BenC: btw, the SD card was a Transcend SD card | 05:16 |
| BenC | AnAnt: Are you using it in the same type hardware slot? | 05:17 |
| BenC | the card isn't as important as the hardware you are reading it with | 05:17 |
| AnAnt | BenC: yeah, that TI slot | 05:17 |
| AnAnt | BenC: in my laptop | 05:17 |
| BenC | using the mmc driver? | 05:17 |
| lifeless | BenC: is mine relevant, I can give details | 05:17 |
| AnAnt | Texas Instruments PCI6411, PCI6421, PCI6611, PCI6621, PCI7411, PCI7421, PCI7611, PCI7621 Secure Digital (SD) Controller | 05:17 |
| AnAnt | BenC: well, dunno which driver I use, it auto-detected | 05:18 |
| BenC | lifeless: Is it usb, or mmc? | 05:18 |
| AnAnt | BenC: I recall there was another module with mmc that is loaded | 05:18 |
| BenC | AnAnt: Yeah, check in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/mmc/ | 05:19 |
| AnAnt | BenC: there's sdhci there (in the dapper's kernel) | 05:19 |
| lifeless | BenC: mmc | 05:19 |
| lifeless | 02:01.2 Generic system peripheral [0805] : Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host Adapter (rev 17) 0805: 1180:0822 | 05:20 |
| AnAnt | lifeless: I think sdhci was loaded too, anyways, I'll try again when I go to work today | 05:20 |
| lifeless | AnAnt: it neds to be if its going to work ;) | 05:21 |
| AnAnt | BenC: btw, is there any simple article about the difference between CONFIG_PREEMPT, and CONFIG_PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY ? | 05:21 |
| AnAnt | BenC: also sometimes I get a message saying something about "underrun", what's that ? | 05:22 |
| BenC | AnAnt: voluntary is where preempt is done when the kernel calls yield() | 05:22 |
| BenC | PREEMPT is real preemptibility | 05:22 |
| AnAnt | BenC: well, I followed the thread about PREEMPT in devel, I don't care about sound, but I run simulations, and CONFIG_PREEMPT in dapper made them fast indeed | 05:23 |
| AnAnt | BenC: but I'm not sure if VOLUNTARY in edgy made it slower | 05:23 |
| BenC | AnAnt: Then the lowlatency kernel is what you'll want | 05:23 |
| AnAnt | seems I got to test it | 05:23 |
| AnAnt | BenC: ok, thanks | 05:23 |
| AnAnt | does the "underrun" have to do with the voluntary thing ? | 05:24 |
| AnAnt | ? | 05:32 |
| AnAnt | BenC: does the "underrun" have to do with the voluntary thing ? | 05:32 |
| BenC | probably | 05:42 |
| AnAnt | thanks | 05:42 |
| AnAnt | oh, what's the sky2 bug? is it skype related? | 05:42 |
| AnAnt | "sky2 hardware hung" ? | 05:43 |
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| BenC | Subject: More ARM binutils fuckage | 06:39 |
| BenC | I love it | 06:40 |
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| === Topic for #ubuntu-kernel: Ubuntu kernel development discussion ONLY | Kernel Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryKernel | 2.6.19-7.10 uploaded - DIE BEAR, DIE. Use it, but there are still a few missing modules. | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu-kernel): set by BenC at Wed Nov 29 02:08:33 2006 | ||
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| AnAnt | BenC: ok, I just tested it | 02:29 |
| AnAnt | BenC: ping | 02:30 |
| AnAnt | BenC: 2.6.15 kernel does support SD card | 02:30 |
| AnAnt | BenC: I got this from dmesg: mmcblk0: mmc2:b368 SDC 975360KiB <NULL> | 02:30 |
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| AnAnt | BenC: I'm using 2.6.17 kernel, now, it did detect the SD card too | 02:36 |
| AnAnt | BenC: but it gave some errors in dmes | 02:37 |
| AnAnt | BenC: but it gave some errors in dmesg | 02:37 |
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| zul_ | heylo | 02:50 |
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| gnomefreak | is there no more ppc kernels? | 02:52 |
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| zul | BenC: ping when you get a second can i bounce an idea off you? | 03:38 |
| BenC | zul: Sure | 03:41 |
| zul | its xen related so it might drive you crazy | 03:42 |
| ajmitch | run now | 03:42 |
| BenC | someone needs to rename xen, it's pronunciation is a misnomer | 03:43 |
| kylem | lol. | 03:44 |
| zul | like you-are-going-to-make-me-pull-my-hair-out-and-shoot-myself-with-a-gun? | 03:44 |
| Mithrandir | BenC: you clearly don't understand it, then. :-P | 03:45 |
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| BenC | zul: We can call it crap for short | 03:45 |
| zul | heh.. | 03:45 |
| BenC | Mithrandir: I must not be in the correct state of mind then :) | 03:45 |
| zul | or yagtmepmyhoasmwag | 03:45 |
| zul | kylem: ping | 04:07 |
| kylem | yo | 04:08 |
| kylem | just making some coffee, be back in a sec | 04:09 |
| kylem | k | 04:11 |
| zul | do you have the patch for CVE-2006-4572 for dapper? | 04:12 |
| kylem | no, not without an abi change, i'm working on a better fix now. | 04:12 |
| zul | ok can you pass it along when you are done for breezy? | 04:12 |
| kylem | sure. | 04:12 |
| zul | thanks, you are the best! | 04:13 |
| zul | ill owe you a beer | 04:14 |
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| BenC | mmm...black angus | 04:15 |
| zul | yeah more than enough to get my tipsey | 04:15 |
| BenC | glad I checked that...I didn't hit the 'g' key well enough and almost typed it as "mmm...black anus" | 04:16 |
| zul | lol | 04:16 |
| BenC | zul: Oh, i meant to tell you, akpm said Andi still plans a 2.6.20 merge for paravirt-ops | 04:47 |
| zul | thank god | 04:48 |
| zul | so we should be ok? | 04:48 |
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| AnAnt | BenC: ping | 05:16 |
| BenC | AnAnt: pong | 05:23 |
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| AnAnt | BenC: yeah, you got what I said about SD ? | 05:54 |
| BenC | AnAnt: yeah | 05:55 |
| AnAnt | BenC: I forgot to tell you that I tried a 2 GB SD but it didn't work | 05:55 |
| AnAnt | will try again some day I hope | 05:55 |
| AnAnt | one day I'll mail you the details (the errors from dmesg, and the 2GB SD & so) | 05:55 |
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| kylem | sigh. having a testcase for some of these CVEs would really be nice. | 06:33 |
| BenC | kylem: Sucks when most of them are "in theory" | 06:34 |
| BenC | but that one you are working seems like it could be tested with proper packets | 06:34 |
| BenC | I don't know enough about ipv6 packets to write one up for you though :) | 06:35 |
| kylem | me either | 06:36 |
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| Mithrandir | kylem: take a look at packit? | 08:22 |
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| zul | kylem: ping got the patch yet? | 08:55 |
| kylem | sort of, i've sent it to patrick for reviwew. | 08:55 |
| zul | ok cool | 08:56 |
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| BenC | bcollins@huffy:~$ uptime | 11:33 |
| BenC | 17:32:22 up 1 min, 1 user, load average: 0.36, 0.17, 0.06 | 11:33 |
| BenC | bcollins@huffy:~$ grep ata /proc/modules | 11:33 |
| BenC | bcollins@huffy:~$ grep ata /proc/ioports | 11:33 |
| BenC | 01f0-01f7 : libata | 11:33 |
| BenC | bcollins@huffy:~$ dmesg | grep libata | 11:33 |
| BenC | bcollins@huffy:~$ | 11:33 |
| BenC | I'd like to know how the fuck that can happen | 11:33 |
| BenC | Hmm...the problem seems to come from a PCI quirk, but I'm not sure why it is triggering | 11:50 |
| BenC | still doesn't make sense because that quirk should grab 0x170 too, and it doesn't | 11:50 |
| BenC | oh wait, I see it | 11:51 |
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