| geser | shawarma: looking through my old sync requests ubuntu-archive got additionally subscribed (u-u-s is still subscribed) | 12:14 |
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| LaserJock | yeah, I think just add on u-u-s | 12:42 |
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| jonh_wendell | any motu guy here? | 12:43 |
| jonh_wendell | i have a doubt about a review | 12:43 |
| geser | jonh_wendell: ask | 12:45 |
| jonh_wendell | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3584 | 12:45 |
| jonh_wendell | the 3rd topic on dh@mailempfang.de review. what does he mean? | 12:46 |
| geser | you mean the python-all-dev build-dependency? | 12:50 |
| jonh_wendell | geser, yes. i already have this dependency... | 12:50 |
| jonh_wendell | i didn't understand... | 12:51 |
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| geser | if you build-depend only on python2.4-dev your package will support only python2.4 as the files are only installed in /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages | 12:53 |
| geser | if python will change to python2.5 as default you will have to update your package | 12:53 |
| geser | with python-all-dev it will support python2.5 since now | 12:54 |
| jonh_wendell | geser, see my build-depend: Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5.0.0), python-all-dev, python-gtk2-dev | 12:55 |
| jonh_wendell | where is python2.4?? | 12:55 |
| geser | $ apt-cache show python-all-dev | grep Depends | 12:55 |
| geser | Depends: python-all (= 2.4.3-11ubuntu3), python-dev (= 2.4.3-11ubuntu3), python2.4-dev, python2.5-dev | 12:55 |
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| geser | it's pulled in though python-all-dev | 12:56 |
| jonh_wendell | geser, so, what's the solution? | 12:57 |
| geser | according to the debdiff you already changed it | 12:59 |
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| jonh_wendell | geser, to say the truth, i did not understand one word from dholbach... | 12:59 |
| geser | it's about which python versions your package will support | 01:00 |
| geser | if you build-depend on python2.4-dev you will need python2.4 installed | 01:00 |
| geser | if you build-depend on python-all-dev you need to have python2.4 or python2.5 installed | 01:01 |
| geser | you don't have to fix your package if everything changes to use python2.5 by default | 01:01 |
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| jonh_wendell | geser, i understand it, but i did not understand why he wrote this if i already depend on python-all-dev, like he suggested | 01:01 |
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| geser | jonh_wendell: if I understand it he commented on the version which didn't have this change yet | 01:02 |
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| jonh_wendell | strange... | 01:03 |
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| jonh_wendell | the 4th comment, did you understand, geser? | 01:03 |
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| geser | your had .svn/ dirs in your tar.gz (if I understand if correctly) | 01:07 |
| geser | also already fixed according to the last comment | 01:07 |
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| jonh_wendell | geser, so, i have to do nothing so far, right? | 01:08 |
| jonh_wendell | geser, and about last 3 comments? really i did not understand | 01:09 |
| shawarma | Laser_away: Er... You mean "just add on u-a", right? | 01:10 |
| geser | jonh_wendell: have your read the Debian Python Policy? | 01:11 |
| jonh_wendell | geser, yes | 01:11 |
| geser | about the "E: fala: python-script-but-no-python-dep" point: I haven't checked but I would assume that the binary package is missing a python depencency | 01:13 |
| geser | sorry, I'm not very familiar with the python policy | 01:13 |
| jonh_wendell | right | 01:14 |
| geser | * debian/control: any -> all : your package is architecture independent therefore doesn't need to be build on every arch | 01:14 |
| geser | * debian/rules: move the build steps to binary-indep: this has to do with the former point | 01:14 |
| geser | build target is for architecture specific compilations | 01:15 |
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| geser | and binary-indep is for architecure independent compiles | 01:15 |
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| geser | both can even be used in the same rules file if you build a archictecture specific deb and an arch independent deb (e.g. a -doc package) | 01:16 |
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| fernando | hi all | 01:39 |
| gnomefreak | was bitlbee merged yet? | 01:56 |
| ajmitch | gnomefreak: it's not on the merge list | 01:58 |
| ajmitch | bitlbee | 1.0.3-1.1 | http://apt-proxy feisty/universe Packages | 01:58 |
| gnomefreak | that would mean its done? | 01:58 |
| ajmitch | note that it never needed merged | 01:58 |
| gnomefreak | ah crap | 01:59 |
| ajmitch | it was synced automatically | 01:59 |
| gnomefreak | we have issue with it and i would have thought merge would have handled it | 01:59 |
| gnomefreak | it doesnt install on feisty with the following error (makes me think its an upstream issue but not sure if merge or upstream) | 02:00 |
| gnomefreak | /var/lib/dpkg/info/bitlbee.postinst: 25: update-inetd: not found | 02:00 |
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| imbrandon | thats a problem in ltsp server, you have to downgrade netkit | 02:01 |
| imbrandon | for somereason the netkit binry package dosent have it anymore | 02:01 |
| imbrandon | i havent had time to look at it | 02:02 |
| gnomefreak | ok ty imbrandon | 02:02 |
| imbrandon | s/in ltsp server/in ltsp server also/ | 02:02 |
| imbrandon | gnomefreak: just manualy downgrade your netkit binary from edgy for a stop-gap , maybe me or someone will get a chance to fix it soon | 02:03 |
| gnomefreak | ok | 02:03 |
| imbrandon | woot i love my workstation bandwidth, just wish i could use it for something other than downloading | 02:04 |
| imbrandon | Download Speed: 9942 kbps (1242.8 KB/sec transfer rate) | 02:04 |
| imbrandon | Upload Speed: 4713 kbps (589.1 KB/sec transfer rate) | 02:04 |
| ajmitch | gnomefreak: merges don't magically fix all bugs | 02:05 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: the *easy* way is to install update-inetd | 02:05 |
| gnomefreak | ajmitch: no but syncs do | 02:05 |
| imbrandon | heya ajmitch | 02:05 |
| ajmitch | update-inetd | 4.27-0.2 | http://apt-proxy feisty/main Packages | 02:05 |
| gnomefreak | that will work? | 02:05 |
| imbrandon | ahhh , netkit used to include update-inetd iirc | 02:06 |
| imbrandon | but yea that would be much easier | 02:06 |
| imbrandon | :) | 02:06 |
| gnomefreak | someone is testing it atm | 02:06 |
| gnomefreak | its his issue but i tried to duplicate it | 02:07 |
| gnomefreak | and got to wondering | 02:07 |
| ajmitch | a number of packages are affected | 02:07 |
| imbrandon | probably got the binary split out and just needs to add it to the depends | 02:07 |
| ajmitch | maybe | 02:07 |
| imbrandon | i know ltsp-server is affected | 02:07 |
| ajmitch | I've heard that's not the case though | 02:07 |
| ajmitch | & samba | 02:07 |
| imbrandon | ahh | 02:07 |
| ajmitch | & anything else using it | 02:07 |
| imbrandon | wonder what it was if that wasent it | 02:08 |
| ajmitch | 08:01 < cjwatson> we could also just make our netbase depend on update-inetd for a while | 02:08 |
| ajmitch | so it may be fixed elsewhere | 02:08 |
| imbrandon | ahh | 02:09 |
| imbrandon | not perminately it dosent look like | 02:09 |
| ajmitch | hence why I haven't added the dependency to samba while merging (iirc) | 02:09 |
| gnomefreak | that would almost be too easy (just to add a depend to the control file?) | 02:09 |
| imbrandon | then again not much is perminate in comp[uters | 02:09 |
| ajmitch | no, the permanent solution is to switch to another -inetd package, I think | 02:09 |
| imbrandon | yea | 02:09 |
| ajmitch | that's what they were discussing right before that | 02:10 |
| ajmitch | 08:00 < cjwatson> one alternative would be switching to openbsd-inetd, since that depends on update-inetd | 02:10 |
| ajmitch | 08:00 < cjwatson> and then netbase would pull it in | 02:10 |
| ajmitch | 08:01 < ogra> does it behave any different to netkit-inetd ? i never tried it | 02:10 |
| ajmitch | 08:01 < cjwatson> we could also just make our netbase depend on update-inetd for a while | 02:10 |
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| imbrandon | ahh | 02:10 |
| imbrandon | makes sinse | 02:10 |
| imbrandon | sense* | 02:10 |
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| imbrandon | i almost installed BSD/Debian instead of Ubuntu about 2 years ago :) | 02:12 |
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| jderose | I'm working on a Python app that needs to map iso-639 language codes to a localized language name. It seems I should use the data in the "iso-codes" package... does anyone know of a package that does this that I can look at as an example? Or any quick pointers on how to do this with the Python? | 02:43 |
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| minghua | jderose: I don't know much about python, but iso-codes provides PO files which you can use gettext tool to extract the translations you need | 02:47 |
| fernando | jderose: http://www.python.org/doc/2.4.1/lib/module-gettext.html | 02:55 |
| jderose | minghua: yes, I understand how to go from the English name for the language to its translated name based on the locale (e.g., gettext "iso-639" "Spanish"). But I want to map the 639 code to the English name (e.g., es=>Spanish). Maybe the data in iso-codes isn't even what I use for this. | 02:56 |
| fernando | Somebody can to review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3591 ? | 02:57 |
| minghua | jderose: give me a second, I'm looking at the iso-codes package now | 03:00 |
| jderose | minghua: thanks so much! (hope this isn't a silly question.) | 03:01 |
| minghua | jderose: no, not silly at all | 03:01 |
| minghua | and I am interested in this myself, as one of my package has a long language list as well | 03:01 |
| minghua | it would be useful to figure out how to use iso-codes in other packages for me | 03:02 |
| jderose | great. ;) i'm sure i could come up with some hack to do this, but i really what to do it by the current Ubuntu best practice, so i'm asking. | 03:03 |
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| PLEASEHELP | what is this room for? | 03:04 |
| minghua | jderose: do you have a iso-codes source at hand? | 03:05 |
| minghua | jderose: I found that iso_3166/iso_3166.xml has the 2/3-letter code and the English name | 03:06 |
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| jderose | minga: after just greping though iso_639.xml a bit, it seems that all the information i need is in there, but the rest of my problem is i just don't know much about xml parsing, like what parser i should use in Python... yeah, i'm looking at the iso-codes files right now. | 03:06 |
| minghua | jderose: however the README says the XML format is in flux, and you need to contact the author if you want to use it | 03:06 |
| jderose | hmmm... so there is no ubuntu library that abstracts the current format? | 03:07 |
| minghua | jderose: well, the notes/Country.pm file seems a perl module to do the transform for you | 03:08 |
| jderose | minghua: actually, looks like the "language-selector-common" package might hold the key: written in Python, depends on iso-codes. | 03:10 |
| minghua | jderose: sounds good :-) | 03:10 |
| minghua | it seems this is not the problem iso-codes is trying to solve | 03:11 |
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| minghua | python should already have something to translate the code to English name | 03:11 |
| jderose | maybe not. seems like a handy thing for say, totem when playing a dvd | 03:11 |
| jderose | do you know where i should look? | 03:11 |
| minghua | perl has Locale::Country for that (already in perl-modules) | 03:12 |
| jderose | (for such a module, class, whatever in python?). gettext doesn't seem able to do that, unless i'm missing something. | 03:12 |
| minghua | no, that's not gettext's area either | 03:12 |
| jmon | devolpment? | 03:14 |
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| jderose | minghua: thanks for your help! as far as Python goes, it looks like /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/LanguageSelector/LanguageSelector.py is a good example. cheers! ;) | 03:15 |
| minghua | jderose: you figured that out yourself :-) | 03:16 |
| jderose | minghua: well, i still appreciate your time. | 03:17 |
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| imbrandon | ... | 04:46 |
| SAdministrator | hello | 04:46 |
| SAdministrator | welcome back | 04:47 |
| === imbrandon never left :) | ||
| SAdministrator | :D | 04:47 |
| SAdministrator | imbrandon i might start purchasing more xbox's now that they are about ~80-90 | 04:50 |
| zul | hey imbrandon | 04:51 |
| SAdministrator | hello zakame | 04:51 |
| SAdministrator | zul * | 04:51 |
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| imbrandon | heay zul | 05:55 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: what's up? | 05:59 |
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| imbrandon | ajmitch: nadda | 06:05 |
| imbrandon | just piddleing with some packages and my mail server | 06:06 |
| imbrandon | getting ready to head to sleep i think | 06:06 |
| imbrandon | you? | 06:06 |
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| imbrandon | gnight all | 06:19 |
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| crimsun | ademan: you may wish to ask vil for assistance with eclipse-cdt | 07:47 |
| ademan | crimsun: thanks I'll bother him, i actually think i may be on to something right now though, but i'll definitely talk to him | 07:48 |
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| ademan | vil: In case crimsun's message didn't highlight, hopefully this one will, I'm trying to package an upstream update of the eclipse-cdt (because the current one doesn't work with eclipse) I'm having no luck thus far. i'd appreciate any help you can offer | 07:52 |
| ademan | hahah weak | 07:59 |
| crimsun | ? | 07:59 |
| ademan | vil has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | 08:00 |
| crimsun | (that was not an intentional disconnect) | 08:00 |
| ademan | i know, just bad timing | 08:00 |
| ademan | hey crimsun: i'm trying to do uupdate with the -p option but it dumps a bunch of binary crap to my console and asks me to patch a certain file (whos name is also binary crap), should i untar everything before i try to patch? | 08:12 |
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| ademan | i assume the binary crap is just cause its gzipped | 08:12 |
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| crimsun | need more details (please pastebin) | 08:14 |
| ademan | there was so much dump it went off the screen, but i'll show you what i got | 08:15 |
| ademan | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/5cYKQQ60.html | 08:16 |
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| crimsun | hmm. | 08:22 |
| crimsun | I wouldn't use the uupdate(1) approach | 08:23 |
| ademan | what should i do alternatively? | 08:23 |
| crimsun | I haven't studied eclipse-cdt, else I'd have walked you through it already :) | 08:24 |
| ademan | well i think i finally was able to match the source tree that's in the original source package | 08:24 |
| ademan | maybe i'll just try doing it without the -p option | 08:28 |
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| ademan | crimsun: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/yd3CAs58.html | 08:40 |
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| ademan | same crap as always, i coulda sworn i had it this time | 08:48 |
| ademan | if its worth anything i ended up with a folder in the package dir named "results" which was part of the archive | 08:49 |
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| crimsun | ademan: sorry, troubleshooting totem/gst/alsa atm | 08:58 |
| Burgundavia | crimsun: that fun? | 09:00 |
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| crimsun | ademan: where's the new original upstream tarball? | 09:09 |
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| ademan | crimsun: i believe i got disconnected but did you see the error dump i showed you? same crap as always | 09:33 |
| ademan | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/yd3CAs58.html in case it got lost | 09:33 |
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| superm1 | hey guys, i'm running into something weird happening with my pbuilder: | 09:43 |
| superm1 | dpkg-genchanges: error: badly formed line in files list file, line 5 | 09:43 |
| superm1 | the thing is, i don't have a single debian/files, but instead multiple *.files for the misc packages produced | 09:43 |
| superm1 | and i cna't identify anything particularly wrong with them | 09:43 |
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| ademan | superm1: i wish i could help, but i've got pbuilder problems of my own, plus i suck at this lol | 09:48 |
| superm1 | :) | 09:48 |
| superm1 | the pbuilder itself is good, i've used it dozens of times. i just can't figure out what i did to the package to mess it up this bad :) | 09:49 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 09:57 |
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| tenshu | hello all | 10:00 |
| sivang | morning | 10:09 |
| sivang | dholbach: will you be willing to sponsor me an irda-utils merge btw ? (I know I owe you a gnome-themes merge though ;)) the upload is at http://muse.19inch.net/~sivan/merges/ | 10:14 |
| dholbach | can you file a bug, attach the debdiff and subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors? | 10:16 |
| dholbach | I'm quite busy atm | 10:16 |
| ademan | dholbach: can u subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors to a bug without a debdiff? i've been butting my head against this stupid eclipse-cdt for about a week and a half to no avail now. My head's starting to hurt :-) | 10:17 |
| dholbach | ademan: read again | 10:18 |
| dholbach | "attach a debdiff" :) | 10:18 |
| dholbach | but a package should be fine also | 10:18 |
| ademan | well dholbach that's my whole problem, i can't attach a debdiff, or even a package, i cant get the stupid thing to work | 10:18 |
| dholbach | ademan: doko is your man for eclipse - he just said that "you can't use uupdate with a zip file" | 10:19 |
| ademan | i'll continue to work at it, but it would be good if it got some attention from more capable hands | 10:19 |
| ademan | or a tar.gz? | 10:19 |
| sivang | dholbach: never mind, slomo turned up ;) | 10:20 |
| ademan | dholbach: well i bothered doko once and he said he'd never touched the cdt, and he was too busy to mess with it, i don't hold it against him, i just take it he's not in a position to help | 10:22 |
| dholbach | ok | 10:22 |
| dholbach | i'm sorry to say that I never touched anything java related, so I'm probably not the best person to talk to | 10:23 |
| dholbach | and I don't know which parts are important for packaging | 10:23 |
| dholbach | maybe you could talk to the debian maintainers or the upstream folks about that? | 10:24 |
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| === ajmitch wonders if the sync request he filed earlier got to malone | ||
| ajmitch | no, it didn't | 10:28 |
| ajmitch | how odd | 10:28 |
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| \sh | moins | 10:30 |
| ajmitch | hi \sh | 10:30 |
| doko | ademan: you could ask vil as well ... | 10:32 |
| \sh | hmm...how many days we have to wait until syncs are going through? | 10:32 |
| slomo | \sh: depends... some of mine are waiting already 3 weeks, some others got processed after 2 days ;) | 10:33 |
| ademan | doko: yeah, i was about to when he timed out | 10:34 |
| TheMuso | dholbach: If you were wondering about lsr for feisty, 0.3.2, i.e the latest has been uploaded to feisty. | 10:34 |
| dholbach | TheMuso: I noticed - thanks a lot for the good work | 10:35 |
| TheMuso | dholbach: np | 10:35 |
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| TheMuso | Where can I find out more about the backport submission process? | 10:38 |
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| \sh | slomo: hmm... | 10:42 |
| ajmitch | \sh: depends on how busy they are | 10:42 |
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| \sh | so lets wait after herd 1 | 10:43 |
| ajmitch | which should be "real soon now" | 10:44 |
| ajmitch | there have been a number of bugs to get sorted | 10:44 |
| \sh | any ppc experts there and have time to check this build log? http://librarian.launchpad.net/5255140/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-powerpc.dietlibc_0.30-4ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 10:44 |
| ajmitch | if we're going to need to care about ppc soon :) | 10:45 |
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| ajmitch | \sh: please make sure you follow the merge policy & list the remaing changes from debian | 11:17 |
| ajmitch | "Merge from debian unstable" is no longer enough | 11:18 |
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| \sh | ajmitch: including the last changelog entries is not enough? | 11:26 |
| ajmitch | nope | 11:27 |
| ajmitch | they don't detail historic ubuntu changes | 11:27 |
| === ajmitch had to go through & dig up what ubuntu changes were made back from warty & hoary for a package, to document them in the 'remaining changes' section | ||
| ajmitch | makes it easier for the next time things are merged | 11:28 |
| \sh | hmm? did I miss a documentation about that? | 11:28 |
| ajmitch | yep | 11:28 |
| ajmitch | it's on ubuntu-devel-announce somewhere | 11:29 |
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| geser | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-August/000182.html | 11:29 |
| crimsun | nice to see our new MOTU stepping up :) | 11:29 |
| ajmitch | thanks | 11:29 |
| === ajmitch was getting there :P | ||
| \sh | ajmitch:so you mean adding old changes from ubuntu to actual changelog entry | 11:30 |
| \sh | e.g. tomcat5.5, doko added libxml4j-dev to build-dep in x.y-zubuntuR , this we have to document in latest changelog entry | 11:31 |
| crimsun | if it's still there, yep | 11:32 |
| \sh | .oO(that's too easy for newbies ,->) | 11:32 |
| \sh | ok...will be done..sorry for the mess | 11:33 |
| ajmitch | no problem, thanks for doing all these merges :) | 11:33 |
| ajmitch | I just saw a flood on the changes list | 11:33 |
| ajmitch | I'm almost at the bottom of the list of packages with my name on them for the merge list | 11:34 |
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| wsb | Hi, I've some troubles formating a eula text to fit in debconf template, did so. know about a script doing this ? (replacing newline adding dots...) | 12:01 |
| gnomefreak | sun-java5-plugin for some reason is depending on iceweasle and wont install due to that. unless things changed i last remember we are keeping firefox. | 12:04 |
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| StevenK | We were when that whole mess was raised when Debian switched. | 12:05 |
| StevenK | mdz (from memory) would know more. | 12:05 |
| StevenK | Maybe we could have our firefox packages Provides: iceweasel ? | 12:06 |
| StevenK | That's more a question for iwj, though. :-) | 12:06 |
| gnomefreak | as of right now we are sticking with FF so all packages should depnd on that if they need a browser as a depend not one that might or might not be included. but either way sun-java5-plugin is broken that was what i was meaning. i am filing a bug on it as we speak | 12:08 |
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| StevenK | gnomefreak: Did someone request a sync of sun-java5-plugin, and break it? | 12:11 |
| gnomefreak | dont know | 12:11 |
| gnomefreak | i didnt see one | 12:11 |
| gnomefreak | not that i see | 12:11 |
| gnomefreak | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/sun-java5/+bugs | 12:12 |
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| gnomefreak | well thats was i was thinking whomever merged it kept debians version but never changed the control file to not depend on ice* | 12:13 |
| gnomefreak | brb need to start coffee IV | 12:14 |
| StevenK | Ahhhh, it's doko | 12:15 |
| StevenK | 1.5.0-08-0ubuntu1 was imported into Feisty from Edgy, and 1.5.0-10-0ubuntu1 was uploaded directly to Feisty. | 12:15 |
| StevenK | So get him. :-P | 12:15 |
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| gnomefreak | if i see him ill ping him today. if i had an successful builds i would attempt it | 12:17 |
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| jonh_wendell | dholbach, good morning | 12:27 |
| dholbach | hi jonh_wendell | 12:27 |
| jonh_wendell | dholbach, you have reviewed my package, but i guess you got the wrong upload... btw, i tried to follow your comments. can you review it again? | 12:29 |
| jonh_wendell | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3683 | 12:29 |
| dholbach | i'm busy with other stuff now, sorry | 12:29 |
| dholbach | if you drop me a mail i'll do it | 12:29 |
| dholbach | i clicked on the link you sent me | 12:29 |
| jonh_wendell | dholbach, thanks | 12:29 |
| ajmitch | jonh_wendell: why do you say it's the wrong upload? all comments for previous uploads are displayed on the page | 12:29 |
| ajmitch | dholbach didn't comment on the last 2 uploads of your package | 12:30 |
| jonh_wendell | ajmitch, because some daniel comments i had already done | 12:30 |
| ajmitch | in the version he reviewed, they weren't done | 12:30 |
| dholbach | i commented on what was there at the time | 12:30 |
| jonh_wendell | btw, yesterday i uploaded it again with some modifications | 12:30 |
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| jonh_wendell | ajmitch, dholbach: i'm talking about this because i did not understand some Daniel comments, and geser helped me with that opinion: that comment was 'obsolete' :) | 12:32 |
| jonh_wendell | sorry if i made any mistake | 12:33 |
| dholbach | I just reviewed what was there at the time | 12:35 |
| dholbach | maybe you did an upload shortly afterwards, I don't know | 12:35 |
| jonh_wendell | dholbach, no problem. i thank you because you're getting some time for me | 12:36 |
| dholbach | that's fine, i'm happy if I can help | 12:37 |
| jonh_wendell | definitely it's easier to develop than to package | 12:38 |
| crimsun | both are difficult | 12:38 |
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| dholbach | vil became MOTU | 12:44 |
| dholbach | yooohooo | 12:44 |
| === dholbach add it to the UWN | ||
| dholbach | can we try to make this a habit? :) | 12:44 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: don't forget the others! | 12:44 |
| dholbach | i'm just working my way through it | 12:45 |
| dholbach | (log) | 12:45 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: once the motu council is up & running, it should be a more regular thing | 12:45 |
| ajmitch | to have reporting to UWN, etc | 12:45 |
| ajmitch | since that's in the job description :) | 12:45 |
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| xerxas | <crimsun> both are difficult | 01:00 |
| xerxas | Happy to hear that | 01:00 |
| xerxas | I was starting to think I'm dumb :) | 01:00 |
| === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-motu.log | ||
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| === Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation | Add yourself to http://tinyurl.com/fgpgy to upload to REVU | Feisty open for uploads | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by Hobbsee at Sun Nov 26 08:57:48 2006 | ||
| xerxas | StevenK, I think I start to understand much stuff | 01:10 |
| jonh_wendell | fernando, take a look: http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/TrademarkPolicy | 01:10 |
| xerxas | just when you learnt something, you use it once but it doesn't apply for the next package | 01:10 |
| xerxas | sometimes some python specific stuff, sometime some mono specific stuff | 01:10 |
| jonh_wendell | that's why i said it's better to develop than to package :) | 01:11 |
| xerxas | jonh_wendell, I do agree with you but I do really suck at coding | 01:11 |
| fernando | jonh_wendell: thanks | 01:12 |
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| \sh | hmmm...what was the rule to deal with icedove/iceweasel build-deps in debian and ubuntu? | 02:05 |
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| fbond | crimsun: ping | 02:11 |
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| fbond | what compat for feisty? | 03:37 |
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| fbond | err, compat is 5; Standards-Version is 3.7.2 ? (feisty) | 03:40 |
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| slomo | fbond: standards-version is correct, compat whatever you want it to be... <= 3 is deprecated afaik, 4 and 5 are fine | 03:50 |
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| shawarma | Rock'n'roll! I just got my first accept mail! | 03:55 |
| zul | congrats | 03:55 |
| shawarma | zul: thanks! | 03:56 |
| sivang | congrets shawarma | 03:56 |
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| dholbach | shawarma: ROCK ON | 04:03 |
| shawarma | dholbach: Yeah! I could definitely get used to this. :-) | 04:05 |
| dholbach | that's good to hear :) | 04:05 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 04:13 |
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| crimsun | shouldn't the new MOTU join ubuntu-universe-sponsors? :) | 04:16 |
| crimsun | fbond: get it resolved? | 04:16 |
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| dholbach | crimsun: good idea | 04:22 |
| dholbach | didn't we have a MOTU/OnceYou'veJoined or something? :) | 04:22 |
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| zul | and does it include 30 whacks with a wet noodle? :) | 04:23 |
| fbond | crimsun, Re: usbfs, I spoke with Keybuk | 04:30 |
| fbond | He found that the problem is not related to usbfs, but that my udev rules were inappropriate for Edgy... | 04:31 |
| crimsun | ah, I see the bug report | 04:31 |
| shawarma | crimsun: Good point. I just applied. | 04:31 |
| crimsun | shawarma: excellent! | 04:32 |
| fbond | I will be uploading a version of midisport-firmware to revu for feisty; this will have new rules appropriate for that dist. | 04:32 |
| crimsun | fbond: great! | 04:32 |
| fbond | Just checking it in pbuilder right now... | 04:32 |
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| jikanter | What are the advantages to using schroot over pbuilder. Is one really significantly better than the other? | 04:35 |
| jikanter | s/./?/ | 04:35 |
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| === proppy hugs dholbach | ||
| crimsun | instead of sbuild? | 04:42 |
| === dholbach hugs proppy back | ||
| proppy | dholbach: i've worked a bit on unittest++, move all the autotools stuff to a .patch | 04:43 |
| proppy | moved | 04:43 |
| dholbach | super | 04:43 |
| dholbach | if you drop me another mail, I'll have another look later on | 04:44 |
| proppy | dholbach: but i still call autoreconf | 04:44 |
| dholbach | oh, why? | 04:44 |
| proppy | dholbach: so the .patch can contains only configure.ac and Makefile.am | 04:44 |
| proppy | dholbach: and not the generated file | 04:44 |
| crimsun | yeah, we love auto* spew in the diff.gz :-) | 04:44 |
| dholbach | hm | 04:45 |
| dholbach | I usually have two patches then | 04:45 |
| proppy | dholbach: i fill weird to put generated file (i.e, no source), in a patch | 04:45 |
| fbond | crimsun, midisport-firmware uploaded, give it a minute, then maybe you can look it over? | 04:45 |
| dholbach | one for the configure.ac/Makefile.am and one for the changes in generated files | 04:45 |
| fbond | I have to go put winter tires on my car, be back... | 04:45 |
| crimsun | fbond: I'm severely backlogged on revu (and generally Ubuntu stuff); will queue it for later | 04:45 |
| dholbach | proppy: half of the gnome packages do that | 04:45 |
| dholbach | proppy: launchpad integration for example needs a change in configure.ac - that change will stay there even if there's a new upstream release | 04:46 |
| proppy | dholbach: i don't get it, there is no change in the generated file, i mean they're generated by autoconf | 04:46 |
| dholbach | but the autoconf call will have to be updated every now and then | 04:46 |
| fbond | crimsun, ok; do remember that it did have approval for edgy, but didn't get uploaded. It's already been looked at several times over. | 04:46 |
| dholbach | proppy: I'd personally prefer to not run the autotools on the buildd but keep things nice and easy and do it on my box | 04:47 |
| proppy | dholbach: do you remember of a source package pointer ? | 04:47 |
| dholbach | source package pointer? | 04:47 |
| crimsun | fbond: if it has been approved, it hardly needs to block on me; just ask someone to upload it | 04:47 |
| fbond | crimsun, ok, thanks | 04:47 |
| proppy | dholbach: "half of the gnome packages do that" | 04:47 |
| crimsun | I need to train an alsa army or something | 04:47 |
| dholbach | proppy: gcalctool should be a good example of that | 04:47 |
| fbond | if anyone caught that, please have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3063 | 04:47 |
| fbond | gotta run, BBL | 04:47 |
| proppy | dholbach: thanks a lot ! | 04:47 |
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| dholbach | proppy: de rien | 04:48 |
| proppy | dholbach: :) | 04:48 |
| dholbach | crimsun gives alsa classes! | 04:48 |
| proppy | dholbach: oh ok i get it | 04:48 |
| proppy | dholbach: you mean not only a package should be able to reconstruct the software from scratch | 04:49 |
| proppy | dholbach: it should also achieve this task as smooth as possible | 04:49 |
| proppy | right ? | 04:49 |
| Gloubiboulga | lfittl: hello, have you uploaded the picard package on REVU? it's a merge, so one ack is enough | 04:49 |
| dholbach | proppy: there was a brief article about that somewhere | 04:50 |
| proppy | dholbach: danke scheun | 04:50 |
| dholbach | hehe | 04:51 |
| dholbach | hmhmhm, not sure I find it | 04:51 |
| proppy | np | 04:51 |
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| proppy | dholbach: remember there is no autotools at all in the upstream | 04:54 |
| proppy | dholbach: if i send the patch to the upstream, i should not send the generated file i guess | 04:54 |
| dholbach | probably not | 04:54 |
| proppy | dholbach: but the .ac and .am | 04:54 |
| dholbach | if you can tell them that they should use make dist to roll a release tarball they're probably going to be happy :) | 04:55 |
| proppy | dholbach: they are windows guy, i guess they're generating release with right click add to zip :( | 04:55 |
| dholbach | urg :/ | 04:55 |
| dholbach | but how do they build it in windows? | 04:56 |
| proppy | vcproj | 04:56 |
| dholbach | hm | 04:56 |
| dholbach | ok | 04:56 |
| proppy | they is a Makefile too, but i contributed a autotools patch | 04:57 |
| proppy | there is | 04:57 |
| dholbach | then they should have a release manager who's able to roll a release tarball that everybody is happy with | 04:57 |
| proppy | maybe i should stick to the original Makefile | 04:57 |
| proppy | and remove all the autotools bloat | 04:57 |
| dholbach | if there's not chance of getting it accepted in upstream... :/ | 04:57 |
| dholbach | and if it means a lot of maintenance for you | 04:58 |
| proppy | dunno, what generate the most of work | 04:58 |
| proppy | the less i put in the package | 04:58 |
| proppy | the less i have to maintain :) | 04:58 |
| dholbach | i'll leave the decision up to you ;) | 04:58 |
| proppy | dholbach: thanks for your thought :) | 04:59 |
| proppy | btw it is a good learning exercice :) | 04:59 |
| dholbach | you chose a good package to learn from :-) | 05:01 |
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| proppy | i wonder where do you (maintainers) keep the trunk of your packaging sources (i.e all the file in debian/*) ? | 05:13 |
| proppy | revision control ? | 05:14 |
| proppy | bzr ? | 05:14 |
| crimsun | some of us use LP's bzr | 05:15 |
| proppy | crimsun: do you put the upstream tarball unpacked with it, or just the debian dir ? | 05:16 |
| crimsun | I normally dump all the source | 05:16 |
| proppy | and you import/merge the new source, once there is a new version | 05:17 |
| crimsun | correct | 05:17 |
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| proppy | do you usely contribute the debian .diff to the upstream ? | 05:18 |
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| crimsun | normally I push to BTS | 05:19 |
| crimsun | (Debian BTS) | 05:19 |
| proppy | crimsun: ok | 05:20 |
| proppy | crimsun: so your change get into the debian package as well | 05:20 |
| crimsun | yes | 05:21 |
| crimsun | sometimes it takes a little more poking | 05:21 |
| proppy | but in the end your file never get in the original upstream cvs ? | 05:21 |
| crimsun | they do | 05:21 |
| proppy | oh ok | 05:21 |
| crimsun | sometimes the changes are pushed through Debian BTS; sometimes directly from Ubuntu | 05:21 |
| proppy | so you must provide the necessary Makefile patch, to remove debian dir from the dist tar.gz ? | 05:23 |
| crimsun | are you asking about a specific tarball? Normally the orig.tar.gz doesn't contain a debian/ | 05:24 |
| proppy | you're right, if you don't mention debian dir in the Makefile.am, they never get to the tarball anymay, so you don't have to explicitly remove it | 05:26 |
| proppy | my bad :) | 05:26 |
| proppy | crimsun: so in a ideal world, the package source repository, could easily be a branch of the upstream source repository | 05:28 |
| crimsun | proppy: hmm, that's almost a 'meta' question, and my strengths don't lie in VCS | 05:29 |
| crimsun | proppy: I'm more accustomed to seeing things like Debian's svn, where just the packaging is in some VCS | 05:29 |
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| proppy | crimsun: thanks for your thoughts ! :) | 05:35 |
| === proppy hugs cassidy | ||
| proppy | oups | 05:35 |
| === proppy hugs crimsun | ||
| === proppy hugs dholbach | ||
| === dholbach hugs proppy back :-) | ||
| dholbach | I wonder when I'll be down to 300 desktop bug mails again | 05:36 |
| zul | never! | 05:36 |
| crimsun | d'oh, better disable my desktop-bugs auto-submitter | 05:36 |
| crimsun | err | 05:36 |
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| dholbach | thanks for the confidence, zul | 05:37 |
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| LaserJock | dholbach: they wouldn't be submitting bugs if they didn't have confidence that you were going to fix them ;-) | 05:43 |
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| === dholbach slaps LaserJock too :-) | ||
| LaserJock | crimsun: doh | 05:45 |
| zul | dholbach: no problem :) | 05:47 |
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| fbond | imbrandon, you had looked at this package for edgy, maybe you'd like to take another peek for the Feisty version? -> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3690 | 05:54 |
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| crimsun | fbond: the debian/{dirs,install} have leading '/' . Is that intentional? | 06:02 |
| fbond | no; it should have little impact, however, I'm happy to fix it, of course | 06:05 |
| fbond | crimsun, thanks for looking | 06:06 |
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| crimsun | fbond: (technically they're not supposed to be there :) | 06:11 |
| crimsun | fbond: [see dh_installdirs(1)] | 06:11 |
| fbond | crimsun, ok I will upload a fixed version; any other issues that you can see? | 06:13 |
| crimsun | sec, juggling a few dozen things | 06:13 |
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| crimsun | debian/postrm looks dangerous | 06:16 |
| crimsun | --> rm -f /usr/share/usb/maudio/*.ihx | 06:17 |
| crimsun | it would be much better to actually enumerate each .ihx file | 06:17 |
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| crimsun | in the chance that there's a user-installed /usr/share/usb/maudio/foo.ihx, that file would be removed, too, which is not what you want | 06:18 |
| crimsun | debian/postinst needs to be fixed to exit properly if mktemp fails | 06:21 |
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| crimsun | (if you need an example, look at that portion of alsa-utils's debian/patches/20_alsaconf_safe_tmp.dpatch | 06:22 |
| crimsun | ) | 06:22 |
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| palski | Opinions please, is bug #67553 worth of SRU? Siege is not usable at all on edgy because of that bug. | 06:28 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 67553 in siege "double free or corruption in siege" [Undecided,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/67553 | 06:28 |
| crimsun | palski: yes, it's worth an SRU | 06:29 |
| crimsun | the diff is trivial | 06:29 |
| palski | ok, thanks | 06:29 |
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| crimsun | fbond: (hope you've been noting the above issues; here are more:) | 06:31 |
| crimsun | fbond: debian/preinst uses ping to test, and that will fail for configurations where a firewall/gateway blocks icmp. I suggest testing for then using ``host www.google.com'' instead. | 06:32 |
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| crimsun | fbond: and finally, please use ATTRS{} in 42-midisport-firmware.rules.in as Scott noted in the last comment of #70968 | 06:35 |
| crimsun | fbond: please fix those issues, and resubmit | 06:35 |
| crimsun | fbond: again, thanks for working on the packaging! | 06:37 |
| fbond | crimsun, ok noted all comments, fixed version will be uploaded shortly | 06:39 |
| fbond | thanks! | 06:39 |
| proppy | yeah! | 06:39 |
| crimsun | fbond: np | 06:39 |
| crimsun | fbond: and to be technically correct, bind9-host would need to be added to debian/control:Depends | 06:42 |
| crimsun | (sorry, should have caught that sooner) | 06:43 |
| dholbach | LaserJock: the motu science team should probably subscribe to genius' bugs | 06:44 |
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| dholbach | (not that there are any, but oh well...) :) | 06:45 |
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| bddebian | crimsun IS a genius! :-) | 06:49 |
| crimsun | nope, but I tend to fixate on sound bugs | 06:50 |
| crimsun | bddebian is one-third of the resident trinity in here | 06:50 |
| fbond | crimsun, alright will upload in a sec, however: | 06:50 |
| bddebian | crimsun: no way man :-( | 06:51 |
| geser | I'm currently looking at ilohamail on MoM: new package revisions must be greater the current one? | 06:51 |
| fbond | should the package pre-depend on wget | curl, bind9-host, etc ... since it uses them in preinst/postinst ? | 06:51 |
| crimsun | isn't ilohamail one of the nasty versioned ones? | 06:52 |
| crimsun | (I think that was one of mine, no?) | 06:52 |
| geser | yes, it's one of yours and it a nasty versioning | 06:52 |
| crimsun | fbond: I tend to use Pre-Depends -very- sparingly | 06:52 |
| geser | ubuntu has -0rc3ubuntu1 and debian has -0rc3sid3 which is smaller | 06:53 |
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| fbond | yes, I understand it is to be avoided, however, if one happens to be installing wget & midisport-firmware simultaneously, will the download fail ? | 06:53 |
| NetAdministrator | does anyone know why network interface priority was taken out of the network administration dialog on edgy? | 06:53 |
| geser | fbond: IIRC you need Pre-Depends for preinst and can use Depends in postinsts | 06:54 |
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| fbond | geser, thanks | 06:54 |
| fbond | crimsun, does that sound right to you? | 06:54 |
| crimsun | fbond: yes | 06:54 |
| fbond | so, bind9-host needs to be Pre-Depends ... | 06:54 |
| geser | if you use it in your preinst | 06:55 |
| geser | see http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-binarydeps | 06:55 |
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| tsmithe | hi geser! how's the new motuship? | 06:57 |
| HumanPrototype | how can i get involved with helping with ubuntu? | 06:58 |
| tsmithe | loyd | 06:58 |
| tsmithe | lots | 06:58 |
| tsmithe | not loyd | 06:58 |
| tsmithe | stupid fingers | 06:58 |
| tsmithe | hang on there's a page | 06:58 |
| tsmithe | http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate | 06:59 |
| HumanPrototype | tsmithe, thanks | 06:59 |
| tsmithe | it's easiest if you find something you enjoy doing, and do it | 07:00 |
| tsmithe | so, any direction i give could be more likely than not inappropriate | 07:00 |
| siretart | HumanPrototype: http://www.ubuntu.com/developers. follow the links, they should you getting started | 07:00 |
| siretart | should help you, even | 07:00 |
| === tsmithe really wants his package revu'd :) | ||
| HumanPrototype | siretart, thanks | 07:02 |
| tsmithe | oh; and i guess i'm a motu enthusiast (and i really need to learn the packaging ropes...); but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Enthusiasts is not a page | 07:03 |
| geser | crimsun: is it ok if I look at the ilohamail merge? | 07:03 |
| crimsun | geser: absolutely | 07:03 |
| Sp4rKy | siretart: i've some problem with setup of revu | 07:03 |
| geser | crimsun: it looks like a sync candidate but can't because of the version. should it be fake sync as -0rc3ubuntu2 and mentioning it in the changelog? or is there a better solution? | 07:04 |
| crimsun | geser: you'll have to fakesync | 07:05 |
| geser | as -0rc3ubuntu2? | 07:05 |
| crimsun | geser: same situation as NMUs for native packages | 07:05 |
| Sp4rKy | siretart: can you take a look at http://revu.dunnewind.net/ | 07:06 |
| crimsun | geser: 0.8.14-0rc3ubuntu2, yes | 07:06 |
| Sp4rKy | siretart: whereas the mod_python is installed, and i've follow the README of revu | 07:07 |
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| fbond | crimsun, midisport-firmware is uploading. thanks again for your help. | 07:08 |
| siretart | Sp4rKy: it looks to me like a problem in your mod-python setup | 07:08 |
| crimsun | fbond: np | 07:08 |
| Sp4rKy | siretart: i've just apt-get install libapache2-mod_python | 07:08 |
| siretart | Sp4rKy: I'm happy to help you with that next week, okay? | 07:09 |
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| siretart | Sp4rKy: anyway, what do you intend to do with the revu1 code? | 07:09 |
| Sp4rKy | siretart: to install it on my own server | 07:10 |
| Sp4rKy | siretart: should i take the revu2 ? | 07:10 |
| siretart | Sp4rKy: revu1 was rather a proof on concept, and has a really horrible code base. the code for revu2 is unfinished and nowehere usable, but we want to concentrate on that to implement the REVU2 spec | 07:13 |
| Sp4rKy | k | 07:13 |
| LaserJock | tsmithe: we don't really use the term MOTU Enthusiast | 07:13 |
| tsmithe | that's a silly link then | 07:13 |
| LaserJock | tsmithe: and any references will probably be going away | 07:13 |
| tsmithe | right on | 07:13 |
| LaserJock | you're a MOTU Hopeful ;-) | 07:14 |
| tsmithe | yay! | 07:14 |
| tsmithe | but i really know very little | 07:14 |
| tsmithe | except what i've done with asoundconf-gtk | 07:14 |
| LaserJock | but you're learning, that's the point | 07:15 |
| === tsmithe guesses | ||
| tsmithe | no | 07:16 |
| tsmithe | that didn't come out right | 07:16 |
| tsmithe | i guess | 07:16 |
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| lfittl | Gloubiboulga: no I haven't uploaded it, but I can do that now if you want | 07:33 |
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| lfittl | (the picard package on REVU) | 07:34 |
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| crimsun | I am so confused. | 07:37 |
| LaserJock | yikes | 07:37 |
| crimsun | "I have no sound in Feisty 7.04 ... Anyway - my sound works fine with the headphones" | 07:37 |
| crimsun | ?!@ | 07:37 |
| LaserJock | hmmm | 07:37 |
| Gloubiboulga | lfittl: that'd be nice :) | 07:38 |
| zul | crimsun: i think someone else is confused | 07:38 |
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| LaserJock | crimsun: it makes perfect sense to me :-) | 07:42 |
| crimsun | LaserJock: I'm happy to assign 74677 to you :-) | 07:43 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: ummmmmm, no | 07:46 |
| crimsun | aww c'mon, everyone's doing it | 07:46 |
| LaserJock | heh | 07:47 |
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| tsmithe | i'm sure someone wants to review my package ;) | 07:57 |
| LaserJock | maybe when I get my current REVU todo list done ;-) | 07:58 |
| tsmithe | yay! | 07:59 |
| tsmithe | whenever's great | 08:00 |
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| LaserJock | tsmithe: what's the URL? | 08:06 |
| tsmithe | ah corse | 08:06 |
| tsmithe | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3669 | 08:06 |
| tsmithe | thanks :) | 08:07 |
| LaserJock | ok, well I'll put it on my list | 08:07 |
| LaserJock | but it could take some time as I have a bunch of work | 08:07 |
| tsmithe | as do we all | 08:07 |
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| HumanPrototype | is the stuff in the ubuntu server guide at help.ubuntu.com fixed or is it editable like the wiki? | 08:14 |
| HumanPrototype | also who is responsible for the jabber package? | 08:15 |
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| crimsun | HumanPrototype: MOTU. | 08:16 |
| LaserJock | HumanPrototype: it's fixed, but you can file a bug report if there's a problem (or talk to #ubuntu-doc) | 08:16 |
| LaserJock | tag-teamed that one | 08:16 |
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| crimsun | HumanPrototype: meaning, Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu at lists dot ubuntu dot com> | 08:16 |
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| HumanPrototype | if it helps its in universe/net | 08:18 |
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| crimsun | (I just stated who's responsible.) | 08:18 |
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| fbond | crimsun, one last look, maybe? -> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3692 | 09:04 |
| fbond | sorry to pester; it's been on my TODO for too long | 09:05 |
| fbond | of course, if anyone else wants to take a peak, he or she is welcome to do so | 09:05 |
| superm1_ | hey guys is there a way to make pbuilder not clean up after itself? I am having a package fail on building in my pbuilder, but can't seem to debug the exact problem since pbuilder deletes everything when its done | 09:09 |
| superm1_ | unless i'm missing it, i'm not seeing it in the man page | 09:10 |
| mr_pouit | you can use "pbuilder login" and build it manually | 09:10 |
| superm1_ | so once i'm in the chroot, just dpkg-buildpackage? | 09:11 |
| mr_pouit | yes (or debuild), but I am not sure it automatically installs dependencies :/ | 09:12 |
| superm1_ | oh that could be ugly..... :) | 09:12 |
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| superm1_ | is there an easy way to have debuild or dpkg-buildpackage read the debian/control to figure out the build deps from my package though? i'm not sure what it actually does to resolve these during pbuilding | 09:20 |
| engla | does the upstream tarball and our package_v.orig.tar.gz have to be bit-identical? I mean even if the files are exactly the same the mtime is different for some reason | 09:21 |
| engla | but it should be right | 09:21 |
| engla | superm1_: I'm not sure, why not do that work yourself? | 09:23 |
| engla | relating to my Q above: the debdiff only contains files in debian/, that's the thing right | 09:24 |
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| fdoving | superm1: you can run '/usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfydepends' if you have pbuilder installed. that will read debian/control to find build-deps.. | 09:25 |
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| geser | engla: do you mean diff.gz? | 09:32 |
| engla | yeah, but I was mainly talking about the orig tarball | 09:35 |
| engla | it's not bit-perfect identical with the upstream one | 09:35 |
| engla | but the files should be | 09:35 |
| engla | as I said, the mtimes differ | 09:35 |
| engla | now, is that a problem? I don't know | 09:36 |
| geser | but the md5sums are identical of both tarballs? | 09:36 |
| engla | I don't think they are | 09:37 |
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| engla | the md5sums differ but if I unpack them, recursive diff says they are identical | 09:39 |
| fdoving | engla: md5 should match if possible. | 09:45 |
| fdoving | engla: does upstream provide a .tar.gz ? if that's the case, simply rename it to *orig.tar.gz | 09:45 |
| fdoving | engla: if they supply .bz2 you can bunzip2 and gzip -9 the .tar | 09:46 |
| engla | I'm upstream. But I really don't care. I think it's just hte config file that is cleaned and regenerated exactly the same | 09:56 |
| engla | I don't get why the orig file is touched by debuild anyway, so I'll leave it as it is.. after all, the content is identical | 09:56 |
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| superm1_ | thanks fdoving | 10:09 |
| fdoving | engla: the idea is that you include a debian/watch file, with information (man uscan) on how uscan can fetch your upstream released sources. | 10:10 |
| fdoving | engla: if you do that, you can maintain the debian/ directory in svn or bzr or any other rcs and easily fetch the upstream source directly. | 10:11 |
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| joejaxx | where are the logs from ubuntu-meeting kept? | 10:20 |
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| joejaxx | nevermind found them | 10:22 |
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| T` | hi.. i want to repackage my own deb package from new sources for verve-plugin... is there some tutorial on how to do this? and is there a .spec equivalent for .deb? | 10:25 |
| superm1_ | chttp://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html | 10:27 |
| superm1_ | http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html | 10:27 |
| superm1_ | T`, ^ | 10:27 |
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| jorgp | I have edgy installed, trying to backport something to dapper | 10:58 |
| jorgp | I have a pbuilder of the dapper | 10:59 |
| jorgp | but when I try to build the app, I get configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables from the configure file | 10:59 |
| jorgp | what am I missing | 11:00 |
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| phanatic | any MOTUs around for a review? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3554 | 11:01 |
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| ajmitch | phanatic: I see it's a mono app now? | 11:03 |
| ajmitch | can you please follow the CLI policy on build-depends, you don't need things like gtk-sharp2 | 11:03 |
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| ajmitch | since I doubt you need to drag in everything from gtk# | 11:04 |
| phanatic | ajmitch: pretty much stuff is needed (almost everything), but i'll try to sort them out. do you have a recent CLI policy link at hand maybe? | 11:05 |
| ajmitch | also, what's arch-dependent about this package? | 11:05 |
| slomo | phanatic: http://pkg-mono.alioth.debian.org/cli-policy/ | 11:05 |
| phanatic | slomo: thanks | 11:06 |
| ajmitch | thanks slomo | 11:06 |
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| phanatic | what's te difference between managed and native code? and how could i find out which one has the given app? | 11:08 |
| slomo | phanatic: managed is everything compiled to CIL bytecode, native everything compiled to your machine's "bytecode" | 11:10 |
| jorgp | anyone help me with my pbuilder problem? | 11:10 |
| slomo | phanatic: and as your package only consists from c# sources it's most likely arch independend and completely managed | 11:11 |
| phanatic | slomo: thanks a lot! | 11:11 |
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| guibis | Hi slomo | 11:13 |
| slomo | hi guibis | 11:13 |
| guibis | i write to you a mail slomo. | 11:15 |
| guibis | at your four mail adres writing in LP ( sorry for the flood). | 11:16 |
| guibis | :/ | 11:16 |
| guibis | it's about packaging. | 11:17 |
| slomo | ok ;) | 11:17 |
| guibis | because i try to package .net ... | 11:19 |
| guibis | and it's quite hard for me. | 11:19 |
| guibis | you can ansewer now at this chan, or write back to me a mail. | 11:20 |
| guibis | no problem :-) | 11:20 |
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| slomo | guibis: probably via mail tomorrow :) i wanted to go to bed in a few minutes | 11:21 |
| slomo | but what exactly do you want to package? | 11:21 |
| guibis | ok no problem | 11:21 |
| guibis | exactly i want to package this http://okapi.sourceforge.net/Release/Utilities/Help/dnllistedit.htm | 11:22 |
| guibis | the dnl soft | 11:22 |
| guibis | i need this program in order to package sheepshaver (SheepShaver is a MacOS run-time environment for BeOS and Linux) | 11:24 |
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| phanatic | ajmitch: i did some tests, and the package only compiles with build-dep gnome-sharp2 | 11:41 |
| ajmitch | then add the appropriate packages that gnome-sharp2 depends on | 11:43 |
| ajmitch | they should only be the -cil packages you need | 11:43 |
| phanatic | ajmitch: the funny thing is that if i add the cil packages, it won't build | 11:46 |
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| slomo | phanatic: that's impossible as gnome-sharp2 is only a metapackage and has no real content | 11:48 |
| phanatic | slomo: yes, sorry... false alarm. missed one dependency | 11:49 |
| guibis | slomo: i go to my bed sooner as you see you :-) ! | 11:53 |
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| vil | hi, I am fresh new MOTU (maybe someone noticed :) | 11:56 |
| vil | I would like to ask about any uploading policy | 11:56 |
| LaserJock | what do you need? | 11:58 |
| vil | i have a package waiting quite some time already and would like to put it in feisty | 11:59 |
| vil | until now, I always asked doko to do the upload | 11:59 |
| vil | can i now just go ahead and do dput? | 12:01 |
| phanatic | ajmitch: do i need to care about this: "E: sysinfo source: build-depends-indep-should-be-build-depends debhelper"? | 12:02 |
| phanatic | (lintian error) | 12:02 |
| LaserJock | vil: is this a new package or a patch or a merge or ...? | 12:08 |
| shawarma | I'm working on merging gimp-dcraw. We had a new upstream version before Debian, but Debian did their own package now and the orig.tar.gz don't match. What to do? | 12:08 |
| LaserJock | shawarma: same version of upstream? | 12:08 |
| shawarma | LaserJock: Yup. | 12:09 |
| LaserJock | how are the 2 .orig.tar.gz's different? | 12:09 |
| shawarma | LaserJock: Beats me. | 12:09 |
| phanatic | any ideas about the above? i should fix lintian errors, right? | 12:09 |
| shawarma | different size and hence md5sum. | 12:09 |
| LaserJock | shawarma: can you diff them? | 12:09 |
| vil | LaserJock: new upstream + some additional patches, so I guess ... patch | 12:09 |
| LaserJock | phanatic: what does it have for Build-Depends? | 12:10 |
| shawarma | LaserJock: I suppose. | 12:10 |
| LaserJock | vil: but not a merge? | 12:10 |
| LaserJock | shawarma: I just wondered | 12:10 |
| LaserJock | they really shouldn't be different | 12:11 |
| phanatic | LaserJock: according to the cli policy, i moved all build-deps to Build-Depends-Indep, so currently there is nothing under Build-Depends | 12:11 |
| vil | LaserJock: no, it's not in Debian at all | 12:11 |
| mr_pouit | phanatic: I think debhelper should stay in Build-Depends | 12:12 |
| LaserJock | phanatic: does the clean rule have a dh_* ? | 12:12 |
| LaserJock | if so then debhelper should be in Build-Depends | 12:12 |
| phanatic | LaserJock: it has. then i'll move it to Build-Depends | 12:12 |
| phanatic | thank you guys for the help | 12:13 |
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