[12:14] shawarma: looking through my old sync requests ubuntu-archive got additionally subscribed (u-u-s is still subscribed) === jonh_wendell [n=wendell@40-88-199-200.vcnet.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:42] yeah, I think just add on u-u-s === zul [n=bob@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:43] any motu guy here? [12:43] i have a doubt about a review [12:45] jonh_wendell: ask [12:45] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3584 [12:46] the 3rd topic on dh@mailempfang.de review. what does he mean? [12:50] you mean the python-all-dev build-dependency? [12:50] geser, yes. i already have this dependency... [12:51] i didn't understand... === Hawkwind [n=SoS@ulteo/community-leader/Hawkwind] has joined #Ubuntu-MOTU [12:53] if you build-depend only on python2.4-dev your package will support only python2.4 as the files are only installed in /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages [12:53] if python will change to python2.5 as default you will have to update your package [12:54] with python-all-dev it will support python2.5 since now [12:55] geser, see my build-depend: Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5.0.0), python-all-dev, python-gtk2-dev [12:55] where is python2.4?? [12:55] $ apt-cache show python-all-dev | grep Depends [12:55] Depends: python-all (= 2.4.3-11ubuntu3), python-dev (= 2.4.3-11ubuntu3), python2.4-dev, python2.5-dev === awbassett [n=awbasset@206.135.97.35] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:56] it's pulled in though python-all-dev [12:57] geser, so, what's the solution? [12:59] according to the debdiff you already changed it === cormil [n=cormil@d83-184-110-196.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:59] geser, to say the truth, i did not understand one word from dholbach... [01:00] it's about which python versions your package will support [01:00] if you build-depend on python2.4-dev you will need python2.4 installed [01:01] if you build-depend on python-all-dev you need to have python2.4 or python2.5 installed [01:01] you don't have to fix your package if everything changes to use python2.5 by default === sivang [i=sivan@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sladen [i=paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PuMpErNiCkLe [n=pumperni@CPE000d8802a749-CM0012c9a9a6dc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === phlaegel [n=phlaegel@S01060016b619a773.ok.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === VoX [n=vox@61.29.126.100] has joined #ubuntu-motu === enyc [n=enyc@ip126.0.whitehorse.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === crimsun [n=crimsun@dargo.trilug.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === malex [n=malex@mrb319.cvmbs.colostate.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:01] geser, i understand it, but i did not understand why he wrote this if i already depend on python-all-dev, like he suggested === lophyte [n=dsulliva@bas5-toronto63-1096707745.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chesty [n=chesty@69.56.173.122] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jabra [n=jabra@utopia.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === astopy [n=nnadam@taurus.moosoft.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tepsipakki [n=tjaalton@replicant.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === seaLne [n=seaLne@ubuntu/member/sealne] has joined #ubuntu-motu === grimace [n=grimace@rolf.yuss.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kaloz [i=kaloz@openwrt/developer/Kaloz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === stgraber [i=stgraber@server.lan.stgraber.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lifeless [n=robertc@ppp245-86.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lionel [n=lionel@ip-61.net-82-216-103.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === schultmc [n=schultmc@216-54-159-97.static.twtelecom.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === [PUPPETS] Gonzo [i=gonzo@80.69.47.16] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doomsday- [n=doomsday@home.cameuh.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:02] jonh_wendell: if I understand it he commented on the version which didn't have this change yet === Hawkwind [n=SoS@ulteo/community-leader/Hawkwind] has joined #Ubuntu-MOTU [01:03] strange... === buxy [n=nnnnnrap@212.85.152.62] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:03] the 4th comment, did you understand, geser? === keescook [n=kees@ubuntu/member/keescook] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:07] your had .svn/ dirs in your tar.gz (if I understand if correctly) [01:07] also already fixed according to the last comment === fdoving [n=frode@edge.lnix.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:08] geser, so, i have to do nothing so far, right? [01:09] geser, and about last 3 comments? really i did not understand [01:10] Laser_away: Er... You mean "just add on u-a", right? [01:11] jonh_wendell: have your read the Debian Python Policy? [01:11] geser, yes [01:13] about the "E: fala: python-script-but-no-python-dep" point: I haven't checked but I would assume that the binary package is missing a python depencency [01:13] sorry, I'm not very familiar with the python policy [01:14] right [01:14] * debian/control: any -> all : your package is architecture independent therefore doesn't need to be build on every arch [01:14] * debian/rules: move the build steps to binary-indep: this has to do with the former point [01:15] build target is for architecture specific compilations === PuMpErNiCkLe [n=pumperni@about/essy/bacon/PuMpErNiCkLe] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:15] and binary-indep is for architecure independent compiles === theCore [n=alex@modemcable229.181-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:16] both can even be used in the same rules file if you build a archictecture specific deb and an arch independent deb (e.g. a -doc package) === TwoPints [n=frank@ACCBC23B.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fbond [n=fab@pool-72-92-138-194.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lengau [n=lengau@68.53.53.39] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rrittenhouse [n=tad@cpe-76-188-35-66.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hawkwind [n=SoS@ulteo/community-leader/Hawkwind] has joined #Ubuntu-MOTU === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:39] hi all [01:56] was bitlbee merged yet? [01:58] gnomefreak: it's not on the merge list [01:58] bitlbee | 1.0.3-1.1 | http://apt-proxy feisty/universe Packages [01:58] that would mean its done? [01:58] note that it never needed merged [01:59] ah crap [01:59] it was synced automatically [01:59] we have issue with it and i would have thought merge would have handled it [02:00] it doesnt install on feisty with the following error (makes me think its an upstream issue but not sure if merge or upstream) [02:00] /var/lib/dpkg/info/bitlbee.postinst: 25: update-inetd: not found === gnomefreak not sure what update-inetd is [02:01] thats a problem in ltsp server, you have to downgrade netkit [02:01] for somereason the netkit binry package dosent have it anymore [02:02] i havent had time to look at it [02:02] ok ty imbrandon [02:02] s/in ltsp server/in ltsp server also/ [02:03] gnomefreak: just manualy downgrade your netkit binary from edgy for a stop-gap , maybe me or someone will get a chance to fix it soon [02:03] ok [02:04] woot i love my workstation bandwidth, just wish i could use it for something other than downloading [02:04] Download Speed: 9942 kbps (1242.8 KB/sec transfer rate) [02:04] Upload Speed: 4713 kbps (589.1 KB/sec transfer rate) [02:05] gnomefreak: merges don't magically fix all bugs [02:05] imbrandon: the *easy* way is to install update-inetd [02:05] ajmitch: no but syncs do [02:05] heya ajmitch [02:05] update-inetd | 4.27-0.2 | http://apt-proxy feisty/main Packages [02:05] that will work? [02:06] ahhh , netkit used to include update-inetd iirc [02:06] but yea that would be much easier [02:06] :) [02:06] someone is testing it atm [02:07] its his issue but i tried to duplicate it [02:07] and got to wondering [02:07] a number of packages are affected [02:07] probably got the binary split out and just needs to add it to the depends [02:07] maybe [02:07] i know ltsp-server is affected [02:07] I've heard that's not the case though [02:07] & samba [02:07] ahh [02:07] & anything else using it [02:08] wonder what it was if that wasent it [02:08] 08:01 < cjwatson> we could also just make our netbase depend on update-inetd for a while [02:08] so it may be fixed elsewhere [02:09] ahh [02:09] not perminately it dosent look like [02:09] hence why I haven't added the dependency to samba while merging (iirc) [02:09] that would almost be too easy (just to add a depend to the control file?) [02:09] then again not much is perminate in comp[uters [02:09] no, the permanent solution is to switch to another -inetd package, I think [02:09] yea [02:10] that's what they were discussing right before that [02:10] 08:00 < cjwatson> one alternative would be switching to openbsd-inetd, since that depends on update-inetd [02:10] 08:00 < cjwatson> and then netbase would pull it in [02:10] 08:01 < ogra> does it behave any different to netkit-inetd ? i never tried it [02:10] 08:01 < cjwatson> we could also just make our netbase depend on update-inetd for a while === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:10] ahh [02:10] makes sinse [02:10] sense* === imbrandon likes *bsd tools [02:12] i almost installed BSD/Debian instead of Ubuntu about 2 years ago :) === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rpedro [n=rpedro@87-196-68-56.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jderose [n=jderose@host-72-174-64-23.gdj-co.client.bresnan.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [02:43] I'm working on a Python app that needs to map iso-639 language codes to a localized language name. It seems I should use the data in the "iso-codes" package... does anyone know of a package that does this that I can look at as an example? Or any quick pointers on how to do this with the Python? === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:47] jderose: I don't know much about python, but iso-codes provides PO files which you can use gettext tool to extract the translations you need [02:55] jderose: http://www.python.org/doc/2.4.1/lib/module-gettext.html [02:56] minghua: yes, I understand how to go from the English name for the language to its translated name based on the locale (e.g., gettext "iso-639" "Spanish"). But I want to map the 639 code to the English name (e.g., es=>Spanish). Maybe the data in iso-codes isn't even what I use for this. [02:57] Somebody can to review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3591 ? [03:00] jderose: give me a second, I'm looking at the iso-codes package now [03:01] minghua: thanks so much! (hope this isn't a silly question.) [03:01] jderose: no, not silly at all [03:01] and I am interested in this myself, as one of my package has a long language list as well [03:02] it would be useful to figure out how to use iso-codes in other packages for me [03:03] great. ;) i'm sure i could come up with some hack to do this, but i really what to do it by the current Ubuntu best practice, so i'm asking. === PLEASEHELP [n=jarcarro@66.110.197.20] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:04] what is this room for? [03:05] jderose: do you have a iso-codes source at hand? [03:06] jderose: I found that iso_3166/iso_3166.xml has the 2/3-letter code and the English name === PLEASEHELP is now known as jmon [03:06] minga: after just greping though iso_639.xml a bit, it seems that all the information i need is in there, but the rest of my problem is i just don't know much about xml parsing, like what parser i should use in Python... yeah, i'm looking at the iso-codes files right now. [03:06] jderose: however the README says the XML format is in flux, and you need to contact the author if you want to use it [03:07] hmmm... so there is no ubuntu library that abstracts the current format? [03:08] jderose: well, the notes/Country.pm file seems a perl module to do the transform for you [03:10] minghua: actually, looks like the "language-selector-common" package might hold the key: written in Python, depends on iso-codes. [03:10] jderose: sounds good :-) [03:11] it seems this is not the problem iso-codes is trying to solve === theCore [n=alex@modemcable229.181-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [03:11] python should already have something to translate the code to English name [03:11] maybe not. seems like a handy thing for say, totem when playing a dvd [03:11] do you know where i should look? [03:12] perl has Locale::Country for that (already in perl-modules) [03:12] (for such a module, class, whatever in python?). gettext doesn't seem able to do that, unless i'm missing something. [03:12] no, that's not gettext's area either [03:14] devolpment? === jmon [n=jarcarro@66.110.197.20] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [03:15] minghua: thanks for your help! as far as Python goes, it looks like /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/LanguageSelector/LanguageSelector.py is a good example. cheers! ;) [03:16] jderose: you figured that out yourself :-) [03:17] minghua: well, i still appreciate your time. === fowlduck [n=nate@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nolimitsoya [n=nolimits@176.139.216.81.static.vhe.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === scotth [n=sjh@outkast.sjhserv.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PuMpErNiCkLe [n=pumperni@about/essy/bacon/PuMpErNiCkLe] has joined #ubuntu-motu === orion2012 [n=orion@cpe-70-114-30-76.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === scotth [n=sjh@outkast.sjhserv.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === orion2012 [n=orion@cpe-70-114-30-76.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jderose [n=jderose@host-72-174-64-23.gdj-co.client.bresnan.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@68.38.202.139] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hawkwind [n=SoS@ulteo/community-leader/Hawkwind] has joined #Ubuntu-MOTU === SAdministrator [n=joejaxx@ubuntu/member/joejaxx] has joined #ubuntu-motu === muzzol [n=muzzol@62-43-64-39.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:46] ... [04:46] hello [04:47] welcome back === imbrandon never left :) [04:47] :D [04:50] imbrandon i might start purchasing more xbox's now that they are about ~80-90 [04:51] hey imbrandon [04:51] hello zakame [04:51] zul * === Chandu [n=Chandu@203.129.255.178] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tonyyserver [n=anthony@d235-240-148.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bronson [n=bronson@adsl-75-36-147-248.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:55] heay zul [05:59] imbrandon: what's up? === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@202.183.115.115] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:05] ajmitch: nadda [06:06] just piddleing with some packages and my mail server [06:06] getting ready to head to sleep i think [06:06] you? === mnepton [n=mneptok@montreal.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rexbron [n=rexbron@keele-b240-21.airyork.yorku.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dous [n=dous@124.104.0.197] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:19] gnight all === CarlFK [n=carl@c-24-13-53-221.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rpedro [n=rpedro@87-196-68-56.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tonyyserver [n=anthony@d235-240-148.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rpedro [n=rpedro@87-196-68-56.net.novis.pt] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ex-Chat"] === proppy [n=proppy@free.mekensleep.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar_ [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ademan [n=dan@h-68-164-186-127.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vil [n=vladimir@catv-tisnov-86.selfnet.cz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:47] ademan: you may wish to ask vil for assistance with eclipse-cdt [07:48] crimsun: thanks I'll bother him, i actually think i may be on to something right now though, but i'll definitely talk to him === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:52] vil: In case crimsun's message didn't highlight, hopefully this one will, I'm trying to package an upstream update of the eclipse-cdt (because the current one doesn't work with eclipse) I'm having no luck thus far. i'd appreciate any help you can offer [07:59] hahah weak [07:59] ? [08:00] vil has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [08:00] (that was not an intentional disconnect) [08:00] i know, just bad timing [08:12] hey crimsun: i'm trying to do uupdate with the -p option but it dumps a bunch of binary crap to my console and asks me to patch a certain file (whos name is also binary crap), should i untar everything before i try to patch? === orion2012 [n=orion@hypnogogic.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:12] i assume the binary crap is just cause its gzipped === orion2012 [n=orion@hypnogogic.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:14] need more details (please pastebin) [08:15] there was so much dump it went off the screen, but i'll show you what i got [08:16] http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/5cYKQQ60.html === orion2012 [n=orion@hypnogogic.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === orion2012 [n=orion@hypnogogic.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:22] hmm. [08:23] I wouldn't use the uupdate(1) approach [08:23] what should i do alternatively? [08:24] I haven't studied eclipse-cdt, else I'd have walked you through it already :) [08:24] well i think i finally was able to match the source tree that's in the original source package [08:28] maybe i'll just try doing it without the -p option === orion2012 [n=orion@hypnogogic.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:40] crimsun: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/yd3CAs58.html === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:48] same crap as always, i coulda sworn i had it this time [08:49] if its worth anything i ended up with a folder in the package dir named "results" which was part of the archive === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure_ [n=lure@BSN-77-152-53.dsl.siol.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Admiral_Chicago [n=freddy@st074039212101.monm.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === WikiMan [n=MatthewV@202.183.115.73] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:58] ademan: sorry, troubleshooting totem/gst/alsa atm [09:00] crimsun: that fun? === orion2012 [n=orion@hypnogogic.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === orion2012 [n=orion@hypnogogic.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:09] ademan: where's the new original upstream tarball? === bronson [n=bronson@adsl-75-36-147-248.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === WikiMan [n=MatthewV@202.183.119.215] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ademan [n=dan@h-68-164-186-127.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === orion2012 [n=orion@hypnogogic.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === orion2012 [n=orion@hypnogogic.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === orion2012 [n=orion@hypnogogic.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === luka74 [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu === orion2012 [n=orion@hypnogogic.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === orion2012 [n=orion@hypnogogic.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:33] crimsun: i believe i got disconnected but did you see the error dump i showed you? same crap as always [09:33] http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/yd3CAs58.html in case it got lost === orion2012 [n=orion@hypnogogic.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lloydinho_ [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zdra [n=zdra@111.174-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:43] hey guys, i'm running into something weird happening with my pbuilder: [09:43] dpkg-genchanges: error: badly formed line in files list file, line 5 [09:43] the thing is, i don't have a single debian/files, but instead multiple *.files for the misc packages produced [09:43] and i cna't identify anything particularly wrong with them === chandu_ [n=chandu@203.129.255.178] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:48] superm1: i wish i could help, but i've got pbuilder problems of my own, plus i suck at this lol [09:48] :) [09:49] the pbuilder itself is good, i've used it dozens of times. i just can't figure out what i did to the package to mess it up this bad :) === Gervystar [n=alessand@host52-173-static.120-81-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm57.omega18.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-motu === orion2012 [n=orion@hypnogogic.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === orion2012 [n=orion@hypnogogic.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F71EA5.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:57] good morning === tenshu [n=tenshu@rsf-etud.univ-mlv.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:00] hello all [10:09] morning [10:14] dholbach: will you be willing to sponsor me an irda-utils merge btw ? (I know I owe you a gnome-themes merge though ;)) the upload is at http://muse.19inch.net/~sivan/merges/ [10:16] can you file a bug, attach the debdiff and subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors? [10:16] I'm quite busy atm [10:17] dholbach: can u subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors to a bug without a debdiff? i've been butting my head against this stupid eclipse-cdt for about a week and a half to no avail now. My head's starting to hurt :-) [10:18] ademan: read again [10:18] "attach a debdiff" :) [10:18] but a package should be fine also [10:18] well dholbach that's my whole problem, i can't attach a debdiff, or even a package, i cant get the stupid thing to work [10:19] ademan: doko is your man for eclipse - he just said that "you can't use uupdate with a zip file" [10:19] i'll continue to work at it, but it would be good if it got some attention from more capable hands [10:19] or a tar.gz? [10:20] dholbach: never mind, slomo turned up ;) [10:22] dholbach: well i bothered doko once and he said he'd never touched the cdt, and he was too busy to mess with it, i don't hold it against him, i just take it he's not in a position to help [10:22] ok [10:23] i'm sorry to say that I never touched anything java related, so I'm probably not the best person to talk to [10:23] and I don't know which parts are important for packaging [10:24] maybe you could talk to the debian maintainers or the upstream folks about that? === otep [n=demo@AP-203.167.31.158.sysads.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch wonders if the sync request he filed earlier got to malone [10:28] no, it didn't [10:28] how odd === DarkMageZ [n=richard@59.167.27.40] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:30] <\sh> moins [10:30] hi \sh [10:32] ademan: you could ask vil as well ... [10:32] <\sh> hmm...how many days we have to wait until syncs are going through? [10:33] \sh: depends... some of mine are waiting already 3 weeks, some others got processed after 2 days ;) [10:34] doko: yeah, i was about to when he timed out [10:34] dholbach: If you were wondering about lsr for feisty, 0.3.2, i.e the latest has been uploaded to feisty. [10:35] TheMuso: I noticed - thanks a lot for the good work [10:35] dholbach: np === reggaemanu_ [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-146-36.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:38] Where can I find out more about the backport submission process? === herzi [n=herzi@kiwi.mediascape.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:42] <\sh> slomo: hmm... [10:42] \sh: depends on how busy they are === Admiral_Chicago [n=freddy@st074039212101.monm.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:43] <\sh> so lets wait after herd 1 [10:44] which should be "real soon now" [10:44] there have been a number of bugs to get sorted [10:44] <\sh> any ppc experts there and have time to check this build log? http://librarian.launchpad.net/5255140/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-powerpc.dietlibc_0.30-4ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [10:45] if we're going to need to care about ppc soon :) === ailean [n=ailean@82-40-205-105.stb.ubr07.uddi.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === stefg [n=chatzill@dslb-088-072-243-010.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:17] \sh: please make sure you follow the merge policy & list the remaing changes from debian [11:18] "Merge from debian unstable" is no longer enough === geser [n=michael@dialin104091.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === coyctecm [i=coy@re.corded.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:26] <\sh> ajmitch: including the last changelog entries is not enough? [11:27] nope [11:27] they don't detail historic ubuntu changes === ajmitch had to go through & dig up what ubuntu changes were made back from warty & hoary for a package, to document them in the 'remaining changes' section [11:28] makes it easier for the next time things are merged [11:28] <\sh> hmm? did I miss a documentation about that? [11:28] yep [11:29] it's on ubuntu-devel-announce somewhere === ajmitch digs for link [11:29] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-August/000182.html [11:29] nice to see our new MOTU stepping up :) [11:29] thanks === ajmitch was getting there :P [11:30] <\sh> ajmitch:so you mean adding old changes from ubuntu to actual changelog entry [11:31] <\sh> e.g. tomcat5.5, doko added libxml4j-dev to build-dep in x.y-zubuntuR , this we have to document in latest changelog entry [11:32] if it's still there, yep [11:32] <\sh> .oO(that's too easy for newbies ,->) [11:33] <\sh> ok...will be done..sorry for the mess [11:33] no problem, thanks for doing all these merges :) [11:33] I just saw a flood on the changes list [11:34] I'm almost at the bottom of the list of packages with my name on them for the merge list === midwinter [n=brandify@18.227.220.203.dial.dynamic.acc01-comm-mtg.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bersace [n=bersace@did75-13-82-243-217-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feb6fb00-217.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === redguy [n=mati@public-gprs3549.centertel.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _doomsday- [n=doomsday@home.cameuh.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _doomsday- is now known as doomsday- === cinod [n=sufiyan@60.51.89.93] has joined #ubuntu-motu === wsb [n=wsb@ben67-1-82-242-144-4.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:01] Hi, I've some troubles formating a eula text to fit in debconf template, did so. know about a script doing this ? (replacing newline adding dots...) [12:04] sun-java5-plugin for some reason is depending on iceweasle and wont install due to that. unless things changed i last remember we are keeping firefox. === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:05] We were when that whole mess was raised when Debian switched. [12:05] mdz (from memory) would know more. [12:06] Maybe we could have our firefox packages Provides: iceweasel ? [12:06] That's more a question for iwj, though. :-) [12:08] as of right now we are sticking with FF so all packages should depnd on that if they need a browser as a depend not one that might or might not be included. but either way sun-java5-plugin is broken that was what i was meaning. i am filing a bug on it as we speak === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:11] gnomefreak: Did someone request a sync of sun-java5-plugin, and break it? [12:11] dont know [12:11] i didnt see one [12:11] not that i see [12:12] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/sun-java5/+bugs === ajmitch blames the circus midgets [12:13] well thats was i was thinking whomever merged it kept debians version but never changed the control file to not depend on ice* [12:14] brb need to start coffee IV [12:15] Ahhhh, it's doko [12:15] 1.5.0-08-0ubuntu1 was imported into Feisty from Edgy, and 1.5.0-10-0ubuntu1 was uploaded directly to Feisty. [12:15] So get him. :-P === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:17] if i see him ill ping him today. if i had an successful builds i would attempt it === jonh_wendell [n=wendell@200165129086.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xerxas [n=R67894@AGrenoble-257-1-23-16.w86-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:27] dholbach, good morning [12:27] hi jonh_wendell [12:29] dholbach, you have reviewed my package, but i guess you got the wrong upload... btw, i tried to follow your comments. can you review it again? [12:29] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3683 [12:29] i'm busy with other stuff now, sorry [12:29] if you drop me a mail i'll do it [12:29] i clicked on the link you sent me [12:29] dholbach, thanks [12:29] jonh_wendell: why do you say it's the wrong upload? all comments for previous uploads are displayed on the page [12:30] dholbach didn't comment on the last 2 uploads of your package [12:30] ajmitch, because some daniel comments i had already done [12:30] in the version he reviewed, they weren't done [12:30] i commented on what was there at the time [12:30] btw, yesterday i uploaded it again with some modifications === snowblink [n=snowblin@wind.snowblink.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:32] ajmitch, dholbach: i'm talking about this because i did not understand some Daniel comments, and geser helped me with that opinion: that comment was 'obsolete' :) [12:33] sorry if i made any mistake [12:35] I just reviewed what was there at the time [12:35] maybe you did an upload shortly afterwards, I don't know [12:36] dholbach, no problem. i thank you because you're getting some time for me [12:37] that's fine, i'm happy if I can help [12:38] definitely it's easier to develop than to package [12:38] both are difficult === surge [n=highvolt@196.1.57.88] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:44] vil became MOTU [12:44] yooohooo === dholbach add it to the UWN [12:44] can we try to make this a habit? :) [12:44] dholbach: don't forget the others! [12:45] i'm just working my way through it [12:45] (log) [12:45] dholbach: once the motu council is up & running, it should be a more regular thing [12:45] to have reporting to UWN, etc [12:45] since that's in the job description :) === engla [n=ulrik@kr-lun-116-144-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:00] both are difficult [01:00] Happy to hear that [01:00] I was starting to think I'm dumb :) === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-motu.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation | Add yourself to http://tinyurl.com/fgpgy to upload to REVU | Feisty open for uploads === Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by Hobbsee at Sun Nov 26 08:57:48 2006 [01:10] StevenK, I think I start to understand much stuff [01:10] fernando, take a look: http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/TrademarkPolicy [01:10] just when you learnt something, you use it once but it doesn't apply for the next package [01:10] sometimes some python specific stuff, sometime some mono specific stuff [01:11] that's why i said it's better to develop than to package :) [01:11] jonh_wendell, I do agree with you but I do really suck at coding [01:12] jonh_wendell: thanks === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.48.106.67] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Tonio_ [n=tonio@139.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mneptok [n=mneptok@montreal.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AstralJava [n=jokitalo@cm-083-102-068-117.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jrib [n=jasonr@unaffiliated/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:05] <\sh> hmmm...what was the rule to deal with icedove/iceweasel build-deps in debian and ubuntu? === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.48.106.67] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:11] crimsun: ping === jikanter [n=jordan@c-24-12-220-77.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F71EA5.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fernando__ [n=fernando@189.0.151.127] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mikhail^ [n=dean@124.106.240.42] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cassidy [n=cassidy@195.244.169.43] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chuck_ [n=bob@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xerxas_ [n=R67894@AGrenoble-257-1-85-108.w86-219.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lophyte [n=dsulliva@bas5-toronto63-1096707745.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === abattoir_ [n=abattoir@cm57.omega18.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio__ [n=tonio@139.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Admiral_Chicago [n=freddy@st074039212101.monm.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:37] what compat for feisty? === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:40] err, compat is 5; Standards-Version is 3.7.2 ? (feisty) === Admiral_Chicago [n=freddy@st074039212101.monm.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=nate@205.213.122.75] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:50] fbond: standards-version is correct, compat whatever you want it to be... <= 3 is deprecated afaik, 4 and 5 are fine === hub [n=hub@moodiegate.xandros.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doomsday- [n=doomsday@home.cameuh.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pirast [n=martin@p508B249E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:55] Rock'n'roll! I just got my first accept mail! [03:55] congrats [03:56] zul: thanks! [03:56] congrets shawarma === highvoltage [n=highvolt@vc-196-207-41-253.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:03] shawarma: ROCK ON [04:05] dholbach: Yeah! I could definitely get used to this. :-) [04:05] that's good to hear :) === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:13] Heya gang === highvolt1ge [n=highvolt@mtngprs4.mtn.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:16] shouldn't the new MOTU join ubuntu-universe-sponsors? :) [04:16] fbond: get it resolved? === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu === midwinter [n=brandify@198.226.220.203.dial.dynamic.acc01-comm-mtg.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:22] crimsun: good idea [04:22] didn't we have a MOTU/OnceYou'veJoined or something? :) === PriceChild [n=pricechi@unix0.york.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:23] and does it include 30 whacks with a wet noodle? :) [04:30] crimsun, Re: usbfs, I spoke with Keybuk [04:31] He found that the problem is not related to usbfs, but that my udev rules were inappropriate for Edgy... [04:31] ah, I see the bug report [04:31] crimsun: Good point. I just applied. [04:32] shawarma: excellent! [04:32] I will be uploading a version of midisport-firmware to revu for feisty; this will have new rules appropriate for that dist. [04:32] fbond: great! [04:32] Just checking it in pbuilder right now... === jikanter [n=jordan@c-24-12-220-77.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:35] What are the advantages to using schroot over pbuilder. Is one really significantly better than the other? [04:35] s/./?/ === proppy [n=proppy@free.mekensleep.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === proppy hugs dholbach [04:42] instead of sbuild? === dholbach hugs proppy back [04:43] dholbach: i've worked a bit on unittest++, move all the autotools stuff to a .patch [04:43] moved [04:43] super [04:44] if you drop me another mail, I'll have another look later on [04:44] dholbach: but i still call autoreconf [04:44] oh, why? [04:44] dholbach: so the .patch can contains only configure.ac and Makefile.am [04:44] dholbach: and not the generated file [04:44] yeah, we love auto* spew in the diff.gz :-) [04:45] hm [04:45] I usually have two patches then [04:45] dholbach: i fill weird to put generated file (i.e, no source), in a patch [04:45] crimsun, midisport-firmware uploaded, give it a minute, then maybe you can look it over? [04:45] one for the configure.ac/Makefile.am and one for the changes in generated files [04:45] I have to go put winter tires on my car, be back... [04:45] fbond: I'm severely backlogged on revu (and generally Ubuntu stuff); will queue it for later [04:45] proppy: half of the gnome packages do that [04:46] proppy: launchpad integration for example needs a change in configure.ac - that change will stay there even if there's a new upstream release [04:46] dholbach: i don't get it, there is no change in the generated file, i mean they're generated by autoconf [04:46] but the autoconf call will have to be updated every now and then [04:46] crimsun, ok; do remember that it did have approval for edgy, but didn't get uploaded. It's already been looked at several times over. [04:47] proppy: I'd personally prefer to not run the autotools on the buildd but keep things nice and easy and do it on my box [04:47] dholbach: do you remember of a source package pointer ? [04:47] source package pointer? [04:47] fbond: if it has been approved, it hardly needs to block on me; just ask someone to upload it [04:47] crimsun, ok, thanks [04:47] dholbach: "half of the gnome packages do that" [04:47] I need to train an alsa army or something [04:47] proppy: gcalctool should be a good example of that [04:47] if anyone caught that, please have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3063 [04:47] gotta run, BBL [04:47] dholbach: thanks a lot ! === proppy hugs dholbach [04:48] proppy: de rien [04:48] dholbach: :) [04:48] crimsun gives alsa classes! [04:48] dholbach: oh ok i get it [04:49] dholbach: you mean not only a package should be able to reconstruct the software from scratch [04:49] dholbach: it should also achieve this task as smooth as possible [04:49] right ? [04:49] lfittl: hello, have you uploaded the picard package on REVU? it's a merge, so one ack is enough [04:50] proppy: there was a brief article about that somewhere [04:50] dholbach: danke scheun [04:51] hehe [04:51] hmhmhm, not sure I find it [04:51] np === lupine_85 [n=lupine@nick.lupine.me.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:54] dholbach: remember there is no autotools at all in the upstream [04:54] dholbach: if i send the patch to the upstream, i should not send the generated file i guess [04:54] probably not [04:54] dholbach: but the .ac and .am [04:55] if you can tell them that they should use make dist to roll a release tarball they're probably going to be happy :) [04:55] dholbach: they are windows guy, i guess they're generating release with right click add to zip :( [04:55] urg :/ [04:56] but how do they build it in windows? [04:56] vcproj [04:56] hm [04:56] ok [04:57] they is a Makefile too, but i contributed a autotools patch [04:57] there is [04:57] then they should have a release manager who's able to roll a release tarball that everybody is happy with [04:57] maybe i should stick to the original Makefile [04:57] and remove all the autotools bloat [04:57] if there's not chance of getting it accepted in upstream... :/ [04:58] and if it means a lot of maintenance for you [04:58] dunno, what generate the most of work [04:58] the less i put in the package [04:58] the less i have to maintain :) [04:58] i'll leave the decision up to you ;) [04:59] dholbach: thanks for your thought :) [04:59] btw it is a good learning exercice :) [05:01] you chose a good package to learn from :-) === ViViD [n=vivid@c-76-22-1-203.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:13] i wonder where do you (maintainers) keep the trunk of your packaging sources (i.e all the file in debian/*) ? [05:14] revision control ? [05:14] bzr ? [05:15] some of us use LP's bzr [05:16] crimsun: do you put the upstream tarball unpacked with it, or just the debian dir ? [05:16] I normally dump all the source [05:17] and you import/merge the new source, once there is a new version [05:17] correct === Subhuman [n=jack@host86-144-222-197.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:18] do you usely contribute the debian .diff to the upstream ? === lupine_85 [n=lupine@nick.lupine.me.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:19] normally I push to BTS [05:19]