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| ryanakca | hm... for feisty, should I package "Monkey Studio Beta 2006.1.6.0-d-1.0.1" or "Monkey Studio Stable 2006.1.5.3"? Monkey Studio = development app... | 02:31 |
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| crimsun | I wouldn't package a beta unless upstream blesses it. | 02:46 |
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| jdong | lotusleaf: stop contributing to global warming and find yourself another archiver :D | 02:58 |
| jdong | ;-) | 02:58 |
| lotusleaf | :D | 02:58 |
| lotusleaf | jdong: kdar, I mourn for thee! | 02:58 |
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| nixternal | hey, got a guy from the Chicago LUG with KDE & Qt experience. I believe he is an IIT student in Chicago. He might be stopping by, he goes by manchicken | 03:05 |
| ryanakca | crimsun: kk, ty | 03:13 |
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| lotusleaf | I was considering testing compiz in kubuntu to look for/file bugs, but I don't see a compiz-kde package as one page on wiki.ubuntu.com refers to, does anyone here use/test compiz on kubuntu edgy? | 10:00 |
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| Riddell | the compiz-kde package was only ever a placeholder package, no real code in it | 10:01 |
| Riddell | the compiz-gnome window manager should work fine, but obviously it needs all the gnome deps | 10:01 |
| lotusleaf | Riddell: thx, ah and I see "The "compiz" packages in edgy's universe repo are actually beryl from back when it was called compiz-quinn." posted to the forums by Amaranth | 10:01 |
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| lotusleaf | Riddell: not a problem dep wise, thx for the details | 10:02 |
| lotusleaf | so compiz in the repo is actually beryl? | 10:02 |
| lotusleaf | whatever it is, I'll be sure and test it =) | 10:02 |
| lotusleaf | I'm not much of a fan of using 3rd party repos anyway, compiz it is! :) | 10:05 |
| Riddell | I doubt compiz packages are really beryl, that would be quite wrong. imbrandon would know better | 10:06 |
| lotusleaf | Riddell: k, thx, I saw this as well today "<Burgundavia> note that compiz in edgy is compiz-quinn ie beryl" so it made me wonder, thank you for your quick + informative replies, I appreciate it :) I'll test compiz in repo | 10:08 |
| lotusleaf | and I'll poke imbrandon re: next time I see him ;) | 10:09 |
| Riddell | quite possibly the edgy package is old then | 10:10 |
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| lotusleaf | Riddell: thx, I'm inquiring in #ubuntu-motu | 10:12 |
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| \sh | moins | 10:29 |
| Riddell | abend | 10:30 |
| \sh | *g* | 10:33 |
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| Tonio_ | hi everyone | 11:00 |
| Riddell | hi Tonio_ | 11:01 |
| freeflying|away | Tonio_: hey | 11:02 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm uploading sime's debdiff for kdebase if you didn't do it already :) | 11:03 |
| Tonio_ | hi Riddell, freeflying|away | 11:03 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: I've not, go ahead | 11:03 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: great ! | 11:03 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/digikam/+bug/73617 | 11:04 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 73617 in digikam "SRU proposal" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 11:04 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: nobody gave a look, should I ping mdz concerning this ? | 11:04 |
| Riddell | he's not doing SRUs just now | 11:05 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay I'll wait a bit then | 11:06 |
| Tonio_ | the process for sru is just.... heavy.... | 11:06 |
| Tonio_ | we gone from nothing serious to something "too complicated" in my opinion | 11:06 |
| Riddell | you can politely ping cjwatson, but he'll only get to it when he can | 11:07 |
| Riddell | I don't think it's too complicated, but it's certainly too easily blocked | 11:07 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yeah that's the point | 11:08 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: not complicated, but a lot of bureaucraty | 11:09 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: it that case it is just a matter of debian/*.install files | 11:09 |
| Riddell | oh it's complicated too, but that's justified :) | 11:09 |
| Tonio_ | not a new patch of backport that needs testing | 11:09 |
| Tonio_ | s/of/backport | 11:09 |
| Tonio_ | grrr s/of/or | 11:09 |
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| \sh | who is working on raphinks itchtux? | 11:11 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: you have a launchpad group, lemme find it | 11:11 |
| Riddell | I think you have the wrong spelling there though :) | 11:12 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: french -> english :) "there is a launchpad group" | 11:13 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: just woke up, that explains, time for my brain to come to english and that's okay | 11:13 |
| Riddell | no, I mean itchtux is a great name for a distro but not the right one | 11:13 |
| Tonio_ | ichthux | 11:13 |
| \sh | what is the meaning of ichthux? ,-) | 11:14 |
| Riddell | it's the greek word for fish I think | 11:14 |
| Jucato | yep | 11:14 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: you have the list of people there : https://launchpad.net/people/ichthux-dev | 11:14 |
| Jucato | but not the exact word/spelling | 11:14 |
| Riddell | as in fishing for men, as Jesus was said to do | 11:14 |
| \sh | I need it for the church of my GF I want to promote Ubuntu to them...and having some christianity touch it's much better for me to promote linux | 11:14 |
| Riddell | Jucato: well the exact spelling will be in the Greek alphabet | 11:14 |
| Jucato | heh.. I meant the -ux part. iirc it's something like icthyus.... I forgot... | 11:15 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato, Riddell: all is explained on the http://www.ichthux.com page | 11:15 |
| \sh | cool...that's what I needed | 11:16 |
| \sh | thx raphink and all the others ;) | 11:16 |
| raphink | hi | 11:16 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I was looking in merging kwin-style-crystal, but that's a pure mess.... | 11:17 |
| \sh | hey raphink :) how are you? :) | 11:17 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the package structure has changed a lot, and now includes dapper and edgy stuff as styles, but the edgy is invalid.... | 11:17 |
| raphink | good :) | 11:17 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: fdoving has done a sync request | 11:18 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: if I wanna patch everything, that'll be a pure mess, especially when the patch includes a lot of binary stuff... | 11:18 |
| Riddell | what's invalid about it? | 11:18 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the edgy theme in the tarball is the dapper one | 11:18 |
| Riddell | ug | 11:18 |
| Tonio_ | so we have to correct this, and create a full edgy branch in it | 11:18 |
| raphink | how are you \sh? | 11:18 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: are there any other changes? any disadvantage to just keeping the package we have? | 11:19 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: we should sync this otherwise we'll loose all the graphics done by kwwii | 11:19 |
| \sh | raphink: great a light cold..but ok...and I want to promote ichthux to this community: http://www.cgk-online.de/index.php?id=2100&L=1 | 11:19 |
| raphink | nice :) | 11:19 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: no issues keeping the package we have, except that people cannot choose the theme they want | 11:19 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll try to get it finished and all the patched fixed upstream | 11:20 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: but here is my plan : | 11:20 |
| raphink | \sh: did you talk about it with zerlinna? | 11:20 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll create a new tarball and try to get it released upstream, so that we can merge without 2 bigs binary patches | 11:20 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: should I cancel the sync request then? | 11:20 |
| raphink | I think she introduced it to various christian communities in Germany and Switzerland | 11:20 |
| Tonio_ | and I'll just have to maintain the edgy branch | 11:20 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: what do you mean by maintain the edgy branch? | 11:21 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes, probably, I'll get the tarball fixed first, and wait for a release to do a simple new package | 11:21 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I mean the feisty, sorry :) | 11:21 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: well I don't want a crappy patch for edgy theme on feisty in fact, so getting the tarball fixed upstream is really easier | 11:21 |
| cmvo | ll | 11:22 |
| Tonio_ | because patches with binariy datas are a pain to maintain........ | 11:22 |
| Riddell | yes | 11:23 |
| cmvo | Hi! Sorry, wrong window :-) | 11:23 |
| \sh | raphink: nope...but I'll do :) | 11:23 |
| raphink | ok :) | 11:23 |
| raphink | she has transalted the icththux website into german, too | 11:23 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll contact upstream today, with a new tarball and let you know | 11:23 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: but you should cancel the sync request first, I'll handle the stuff to get it clean in feisty | 11:24 |
| Riddell | done | 11:24 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: thanks | 11:24 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: hey ; | 11:24 |
| raphink | yop Tonio_ | 11:24 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: need a motu to advocate jabbin once more for upload :) | 11:24 |
| raphink | hmm not right now | 11:25 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: any chance you can help me ? | 11:25 |
| raphink | can you remind me of it later? | 11:25 |
| raphink | I'm a bit busy now :) | 11:25 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: sure | 11:25 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: I asked on ubuntu-motu but "je me suis pris un putain de vent !" | 11:25 |
| raphink | ouh l | 11:25 |
| Tonio_ | genre mistral des mauvais jours :) | 11:26 |
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| raphink | j'ai surestim la taille d'un miroir Debian complet | 11:26 |
| raphink | d'un facteur 10 environ | 11:26 |
| Tonio_ | lol | 11:26 |
| Tonio_ | combien de gigas ? | 11:26 |
| raphink | lol | 11:26 |
| raphink | l je suis 55GB et c'est pas fini | 11:26 |
| Tonio_ | lol | 11:27 |
| raphink | mais j'avais compt dans les 200 plutt | 11:27 |
| raphink | enfin bon | 11:27 |
| raphink | au moins j'ai de la place | 11:27 |
| raphink | j'ai rserv 550GB de paquets :) | 11:27 |
| Tonio_ | ho, fyi all, I am proud to annouce I and my gf are getting married in June 2008 ;) | 11:27 |
| raphink | really :) | 11:27 |
| raphink | congrats :) | 11:27 |
| raphink | I just got engaged too :) | 11:27 |
| Tonio_ | I know it is /mylife but I wanna say it :) | 11:27 |
| raphink | last friday :) | 11:27 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: hehe, great ! | 11:27 |
| Riddell | raphink: ooh! | 11:27 |
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| Tonio_ | raphink: when are you getting married ? | 11:28 |
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| raphink | no idea yet really | 11:28 |
| raphink | probably around april or may | 11:28 |
| Riddell | have a double wedding! | 11:28 |
| Tonio_ | this year ? | 11:28 |
| raphink | yes | 11:28 |
| Tonio_ | isn't that too late to find a place ? | 11:28 |
| raphink | hmmm I don' tknow | 11:28 |
| raphink | a place for what? | 11:29 |
| raphink | lol | 11:29 |
| Tonio_ | if you want a great place, it is just about 1 year before the date......... | 11:29 |
| Tonio_ | bah une salle pour faire la fte ! | 11:29 |
| raphink | bah | 11:29 |
| Tonio_ | that's why it'll be in 2008 for us | 11:29 |
| raphink | on peut aller chez ma grand mre la campagne :) | 11:29 |
| Tonio_ | dans ce cas ;) | 11:29 |
| raphink | l o mes parents se sont maris | 11:29 |
| raphink | :) | 11:29 |
| raphink | 2hectares de terrain | 11:29 |
| raphink | de la place pour accueillir pas mal de monde | 11:30 |
| raphink | :) | 11:30 |
| Tonio_ | cool ;) | 11:30 |
| raphink | et 3 maisons moins de 500m | 11:30 |
| raphink | enfin bon on verra | 11:30 |
| raphink | je ne me fais pas de soucis pour ce genre de choses | 11:30 |
| raphink | :) | 11:30 |
| Tonio_ | tu fais civil et religieux le meme jour ou tu separes les trucs ? | 11:30 |
| Tonio_ | genre civil vite fait et religieux apres | 11:30 |
| Tonio_ | ? | 11:30 |
| raphink | je ne sais pas encore | 11:30 |
| raphink | on aimerais bien faire le mme jour | 11:31 |
| Tonio_ | pour moi ce sera juste civil, donc ce sera ca la grosse fte | 11:31 |
| raphink | mais vu qu'on est de deux pays diffrents sparer a pourrait aider | 11:31 |
| Tonio_ | bah le bleme c que le meme jour c la course a organiser | 11:31 |
| raphink | oui | 11:31 |
| Tonio_ | c pour a que je serai toi, je ferai le civil d'abord, bacl et vite fait, car ca tu t'en fous | 11:31 |
| raphink | ce qui compte pour nous c'est le mariage religieux | 11:31 |
| Tonio_ | et tu fais un vrai marriage religieux apres | 11:31 |
| raphink | pour nous le marige civil n'est qu'une formalit administrative | 11:31 |
| Tonio_ | bah voui logique | 11:31 |
| Tonio_ | donc te fais pas chier a faire ca le meme jour | 11:32 |
| raphink | oui | 11:32 |
| raphink | enfin surtout | 11:32 |
| raphink | a permettrait de faire le mariage civil en hollande | 11:32 |
| raphink | et le mariage religieux en france | 11:32 |
| Tonio_ | vi | 11:32 |
| raphink | enfin on verra | 11:32 |
| raphink | :) | 11:32 |
| Tonio_ | hehe | 11:32 |
| raphink | bon je re | 11:33 |
| Tonio_ | oki ++ | 11:33 |
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| Riddell | fdoving: I uploaded your adept fix | 11:44 |
| Riddell | but there's a whole chain of dependencies there that needs various things done | 11:45 |
| Riddell | libapt-pkg-dev (build failure on i386, mvo fixing) -> libboost-dev (needs merge/sync, requested) -> libwibble-dev (main inclusion report pending review) -> libtagcoll2-dev (not synced from debian for some reason, requested, needs promoted to main, renamed libtagcoll) -> libept-dev (in NEW, needs promoted to main, renamed lib libapt-front) -> debtags (new version, needs merged with Debian) -> adept (fix from fdoving) | 11:45 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: watch that Lure uploaded 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-1ubuntu11, if you're doing kdebase | 11:49 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I did the upload, including Lure's changelog | 11:54 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: Lure doesn't have upload rights afaik :) | 11:55 |
| Riddell | oh, that makes sense then | 11:56 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm going to test opensuse 10.2 today to compare the "bugs" their 3.5.5 has | 12:16 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: maube we can find a fix for kwallet or kdesktop partially in english | 12:17 |
| Tonio_ | that kwallet issue drives me nuts........ george staikos doesn't care at all... | 12:18 |
| Tonio_ | I'd like to test a usb key too to see if they have the unmount dialog | 12:19 |
| Tonio_ | nixternal: I'm updating tellico fyi | 12:20 |
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| Lure | Riddell, Tonio_: thanks for kdebase upload (whoever did it ;-)) | 12:34 |
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| Tonio_ | Lure: you're welcome :) | 12:36 |
| Lure | Riddell: I have thought that ubiquity copies whole CD as is on disk - does this mean if we change file in k-d-s, that this will be copied too (or does it copy FS in pristine state)? | 12:36 |
| Lure | Riddell: talking about casper patch for disableSuspend on Live CD | 12:36 |
| Lure | Tonio_: btw, why does kmplayer-base depend on libgstreamer? I thought that we do not use gstreamer in Kubuntu | 12:38 |
| Tonio_ | does it ? | 12:40 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: well it is built with gstreamer support yes | 12:40 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: that's better if people want to switch | 12:40 |
| Lure | Tonio_: can we switch to xine-only? | 12:40 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: hum... | 12:40 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: what would be the benefit ? | 12:41 |
| Tonio_ | free space on the cd ? :) | 12:42 |
| Lure | Tonio_: less shit on the CD? | 12:42 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: hehe okay :) | 12:42 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I'll have a look | 12:42 |
| Tonio_ | but in that case I have to patch the whole sources of gstreamer menus and entries....... | 12:42 |
| Tonio_ | hard to maintain | 12:42 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I was just suprised to see gstreamer - maybe Riddell has good reason to keep it... | 12:42 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: well I don't think riddell ever touched that package in fact | 12:43 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: the problem is that gstreamer entries and menus are stricktly hardcoded, so I'll have to perform an heavy patch to get it to xine-only | 12:43 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: but I'll do it, that better for multimedia simplification spec in any case | 12:44 |
| Lure | Tonio_: don't bother then.... Rather get rid of kmplayer completely ;-) | 12:44 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I'd like too, but can you fix kaffeine then ? ;) | 12:44 |
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| Lure | Tonio_: just for firefox ;-) | 12:44 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: kaffeine crashes konqueror everytime it is launched | 12:45 |
| Tonio_ | but is stable in firefox..... shame | 12:45 |
| === gnomefreak worries about konqueror upstream people :( | ||
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: bah they don't want to fix it, cause the issue is due to konqueror according to them | 12:46 |
| Tonio_ | well technically the issue is in xine structure | 12:46 |
| gnomefreak | Tonio_: i noticed they dont seem they want to confirm it either let alone fix it | 12:47 |
| Tonio_ | there is a good workarround that kmplayer upstream uses, but the kaffeine people don't want to go that way | 12:47 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: if I could get ridd of kmplayer, I would do it immediately | 12:48 |
| gnomefreak | why cant we? | 12:48 |
| gnomefreak | use mplayer instead | 12:48 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: this is a huuuuuuuuuuuudge change to kaffeine to perform | 12:48 |
| gnomefreak | oh | 12:48 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: mplayer -> multiverse | 12:48 |
| Tonio_ | and kaffeine isn't mplayer compatible | 12:48 |
| Tonio_ | kaffeine with gstreamer is stable | 12:49 |
| gnomefreak | oh damn | 12:49 |
| Tonio_ | that could be a solution | 12:49 |
| Tonio_ | but the issue is that amarok support for gstreamer is unmaintained :) | 12:49 |
| gnomefreak | so just the xine is crashing konq? | 12:49 |
| Tonio_ | that's shit mess isn't it ? ;) | 12:49 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: yes | 12:49 |
| gnomefreak | amarok works great in xine :) | 12:49 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: yes too :) | 12:49 |
| Tonio_ | there is no ideal solution in fact | 12:50 |
| gnomefreak | i only use gstreamer to rip cds | 12:50 |
| Tonio_ | the only solution in my mind would be to fix kaffeine to work the way kmplayer does | 12:50 |
| gnomefreak | i guess there isnt a kmplayer-xine and kmplayer? | 12:51 |
| Tonio_ | nope it is the same binary for all engines | 12:51 |
| gnomefreak | even your solution is a huge change | 12:52 |
| Tonio_ | yes | 12:53 |
| gnomefreak | and its still upstream afaik | 12:53 |
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| gnomefreak | good luck ;) | 12:53 |
| Tonio_ | well if amarok support for gstreamer would be good, we could switch to gstreamer completly | 12:53 |
| gnomefreak | yuck | 12:53 |
| gnomefreak | too many different packages with gstreamer | 12:53 |
| Tonio_ | yes, that's another issue I agree...... | 12:54 |
| gnomefreak | as it is you nee d1-3 packages for xine to work on most things | 12:54 |
| Tonio_ | but metapackages are your friends :) | 12:54 |
| gnomefreak | maybe 10 gstreamers | 12:54 |
| Tonio_ | http://www.google.fr/search?q=kaffeine+xinitthreads&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 | 12:55 |
| gnomefreak | ok good point if you can wrap them up in meta that would be great. only thing i am aware of with xine is the lack of w32 files but i say screw w32 :) | 12:55 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: if you want to investigate on the kaffeine issue, in case there is a fix, feel free ;) | 12:55 |
| gnomefreak | Tonio_: ill look at it | 12:55 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: I did without success | 12:56 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: there is a potential fix for kaffeine in fact, but that requires to patch konqueror and remove xinitthreads | 12:59 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I don't what the consequences can be........ | 12:59 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'd be interested to test this | 01:00 |
| Tonio_ | let's go ! | 01:00 |
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| gnomefreak | kmplayer anything like mplayer on what it provides codecs wise? | 01:05 |
| gnomefreak | like mplayer out of box player most anything including w32codecs | 01:05 |
| Tonio_ | http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=9802&forummode=2&forumpage=11&forumexplevel=0&forumthread=108006 | 01:06 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: read this, everything is explained | 01:06 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: nope, kmplayer isn't a mplayer frontend, so it doesn't provide any codecs | 01:07 |
| gnomefreak | k | 01:07 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: there trick used by kmplayer upstream is explained there | 01:07 |
| gnomefreak | i sees it | 01:08 |
| gnomefreak | see* | 01:08 |
| gnomefreak | only thing that jumps out at me is the XinitThreads removal | 01:12 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: well technically, the fix would be to let konqueror call xinitthreads | 01:13 |
| Tonio_ | I'll try a patch today eventually | 01:13 |
| gnomefreak | since we are not real far into feisty i say lets try it or atleast do it put it in a side repo and some of us can test? | 01:13 |
| Tonio_ | yup | 01:14 |
| Tonio_ | I'll put that on my repo | 01:14 |
| gnomefreak | k sounds good | 01:14 |
| gnomefreak | there was something i was gonna do and now i cant remmeber :( | 01:15 |
| gnomefreak | oh yeah konqueror | 01:16 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: why no gstreamer support in kmplayer? | 01:27 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: reduce size on the cd.... | 01:27 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: cause this gives gstreamer deps on kmplayer-base that we ship | 01:27 |
| Riddell | no way to split it out into a separate package? | 01:27 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: nope, unfortunately | 01:27 |
| Tonio_ | it is already splitted in fact, but the gstreamer support is on the binary itself | 01:28 |
| Riddell | tsk | 01:28 |
| Tonio_ | ? in english please ;) | 01:28 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll try to investigate a bit more later, I'm just trying to fix konqueror to initialize xinitthreads first :) | 01:29 |
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| mhb | do you know if there's a good (KDE) tool for setting the touchpad mouse up? | 01:35 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: ksynaptics ? | 01:35 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: not very friendly to use, but works | 01:36 |
| mhb | thanks, I'm gonna try that out | 01:36 |
| gnomefreak | Tonio_: while your in there can you fix KHTML ; | 01:36 |
| gnomefreak | ) | 01:36 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: no ;) by far too complicated for me | 01:36 |
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| gnomefreak | oh ok | 01:37 |
| mhb | since Feisty should improve hardware support for laptops, can't we somehow get that tool (or a modification) in default install? | 01:38 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: I already asked about.... | 01:38 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: can be discussed as long as it doesn't autostart | 01:39 |
| mhb | I manage (or know people who do) a number of laptops and most of them have problems with their touchpad not working properly | 01:39 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: any opinion ? did you change your mind concerning ksynaptics since the uds ? ;) | 01:39 |
| mhb | Tonio_: can you autodetect a synaptics-like mouse? | 01:39 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: hum, not sure | 01:39 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: in that case there is a way to launch it only in that case, good point | 01:40 |
| mhb | Tonio_: actually it would be sufficient for me if it were accessible through systemsettings/Keyboard& Mouse | 01:40 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: I have no touchpad, I don't care :) | 01:40 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: trackpoint ? ;) | 01:40 |
| mhb | but out-of-the-box is kinda the ubuntu way | 01:40 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: I agree, completly | 01:40 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: we can discuss that in the meeting toonight | 01:40 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: want to add to it the wikipage ? | 01:41 |
| mhb | Tonio_: I'll add it | 01:41 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: great ! you'll have my support on that point | 01:41 |
| Tonio_ | I'll eventually fix the package to remove the autolaunch thing | 01:41 |
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| mhb_ | Tonio_: agenda point added | 02:15 |
| Riddell | Czessi: seen the thread on kubuntu-users? "Where to get key A714EB87D1B1F415?" | 02:42 |
| Czessi | Riddell: yes, I have seen | 02:43 |
| Tonio_ | mhb_: thanks | 02:49 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: just patched kdebase with xinittread, will let you know about | 02:56 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: what about those kpdf complains ? do we really evilly patch it ? | 02:57 |
| Riddell | yes, we do | 02:57 |
| Riddell | but it's less evil than copies of xpdf (at least from our point of view) | 02:57 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay, may I work on that today eventually ? | 02:58 |
| Riddell | of course | 02:58 |
| Tonio_ | okay thanks | 02:58 |
| Riddell | seele: dialogue titles. "Not Root User" or "You are not root"? where main text is "Please run this software with administrative rights." | 02:59 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ho talking about that, I discussed with mornfall concerning adept and the debconf variable initialisation | 02:59 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: it looks like an issue with kdesu in fact, since the code is already there | 02:59 |
| Tonio_ | sudo adept-manager works, while kdesu doesn't | 03:00 |
| Riddell | I can well believe that | 03:00 |
| Tonio_ | dunno what causes this issue... lack of xsession maybe ? | 03:00 |
| Riddell | kdesu probably deliberately clears the environment variables just to be difficult | 03:00 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: well I can make a launch script that xhost+ && kdesu adept-manager | 03:01 |
| Tonio_ | but that really nasty ;) | 03:01 |
| Riddell | I do hope you're joking :) | 03:01 |
| Tonio_ | lol :) | 03:01 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I think the problem isn't that it clears the variables | 03:02 |
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| Tonio_ | I think the problem is that it fails since there is no X session launched as root, something like this | 03:02 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: this is why xhost+ resolves the issue... | 03:02 |
| Riddell | it's because the xauthority stuff isn't passed through | 03:03 |
| Tonio_ | maybe I'm not very clear.... damned limited english :) | 03:03 |
| Tonio_ | okay, that's clear indeed ;) | 03:03 |
| Tonio_ | wow, the kpdf patch is hudge indeed.... | 03:04 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: what's the problem with xpdf ? | 03:04 |
| Riddell | it has a million security holes, when we had 3 different copies of it in the archive (all different versions) it took ages to do the security updates each time | 03:06 |
| Riddell | koffice still has a copy in it | 03:06 |
| mhb | Lure: ping | 03:07 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: and isn't upstream interested in getting those patches in so that they can be correctly maintained ? | 03:07 |
| Riddell | no, upstream wanted to use xpdf | 03:09 |
| Riddell | that's changed for kde 4 | 03:09 |
| Tonio_ | okay great | 03:10 |
| Tonio_ | I'll try to fix the print preview issue | 03:10 |
| Riddell | good luck, I don't know where you'd start on that | 03:10 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: bah.... I never know how to start on something :) sometimes I find, sometimes not | 03:11 |
| Tonio_ | I've been able to fix the konqueror menus issuing... sometimes chance helps :) | 03:11 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: wengophone 2 in the archives and works, fyi | 03:16 |
| Riddell | ooh | 03:20 |
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| mhb | Tonio_: seen Lure's comment on Agenda? | 03:24 |
| nixternal | Tonio_: cool with the tellico :) | 03:26 |
| Lure | mhb: pong (but not much time) | 03:27 |
| mhb | Lure: actually I talked with Tonio_ before I posted my Agenda point | 03:28 |
| Lure | mhb: ok, fine lets discuss in the evening - spec otherwise describes what was conclusion on UDS in Mt View | 03:29 |
| seele | Riddell: why not "Log in as administrator"? That is the purpose of the dialog, or am I thinking of the wrong thing? | 03:29 |
| mhb | Lure: I'll read it and maybe rephrase the question | 03:29 |
| Tonio_ | crash......... not good ! | 03:30 |
| Riddell | seele: it's to tell you to run the application as root, not to log in as root (I'm still on language selector here) | 03:31 |
| Riddell | seele: my question was more if dialogue titles should be sentences (in sentence case with full stops) or titles (in title case) | 03:32 |
| seele | ah, title case IIRC | 03:36 |
| seele | there could be special cases, if you find one let me know so i can add a guideline ;P | 03:37 |
| Riddell | nothing special, just the gnome UI does it wrongly which confused me | 03:40 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 03:56 |
| mhb | Tonio_: so what needs to be discussed today? | 03:57 |
| mhb | Tonio_: about ksynaptics | 03:57 |
| mhb | Tonio_: if I understand correctly you made some discussions at uds - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuFeistyLaptop | 03:58 |
| Tonio_ | yup | 03:58 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: we needs to debate once and for all if we ant it | 03:59 |
| mhb | Tonio_: can you rephrase my agenda point so that it's clear what is to be discussed? thanks | 04:00 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ah ! the kaffeine guys are working on a solution to the konqueror crash ;) | 04:00 |
| Tonio_ | yes, the problem comes from xlib pseudo-multithreading. | 04:01 |
| Tonio_ | We are working on a xcb solution. | 04:01 |
| Tonio_ | message from upstream :) | 04:01 |
| Riddell | nice | 04:06 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I hope it'll be released before feisty is out | 04:16 |
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| fdoving | Riddell: about that hal issue, is there a bugreport? any idea what needs to be done? | 04:54 |
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| fdoving | Riddell: I'll look at it if you point me to some info. I can also start poking people about the adept stuff if you want me to. | 04:56 |
| Riddell | fdoving: it's a couple of scripts that needs to be installed, I think it's just adding them into a .install file | 04:57 |
| Riddell | fdoving: the kde 3.5.5 archive already has the modified hal, but it's overridden by the update to dapper-updates | 04:57 |
| Riddell | fdoving: was it you who was talking about it the other day? | 04:57 |
| fdoving | no, allee had the problem in dapper. | 04:58 |
| fdoving | I wasn't part of that discussion.. | 04:58 |
| Riddell | ah | 04:58 |
| Riddell | my mistake | 04:58 |
| fdoving | .. i can still fix it if the fix is known. | 04:59 |
| Riddell | work out what I changed in the hal in the kde-355 archive for dapper | 04:59 |
| Riddell | and do the same to the version now in dapper-updates | 04:59 |
| fdoving | roger. | 04:59 |
| fdoving | I'll look at it later today.. dinner first. | 05:00 |
| fdoving | About the adept work. if you can somehow make a list of what you've done (bug numbers for requests etc.) i can take over that job if you want me to. | 05:01 |
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| Riddell | fdoving: what adept work? | 05:01 |
| Riddell | oh, the packages | 05:01 |
| fdoving | Riddell: the list you mentioned.. | 05:02 |
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| fdoving | some promotion to main.. etc. I can make the requests and poke you to confirm them etc. freeing your precious time to work on other fancy stuff. | 05:03 |
| Riddell | it's all blocking on other people at the moment | 05:03 |
| fdoving | ok. | 05:03 |
| Riddell | libapt-pkg-dev needs mvo to fix, libboost-dev need ubuntu-archive, libwibble-dev needs pitti to main review, libtagcoll2-dev needs ubuntu-archive for sync, libept-dev needs ubuntu-archive for NEW | 05:04 |
| fdoving | ok. so the requests are done, we're just waiting. | 05:04 |
| Riddell | yep | 05:05 |
| fdoving | ok. I'll have to go.. dinner. back later. see you. | 05:05 |
| Lure | Tonio_, Riddell: should we drop default/share/config/kcmlaptoprc from k-d-s as we do not ship it anymore? or does it make sense to lave it for users that will install klaptop? | 05:06 |
| Riddell | Lure: I don't think it does any harm to keep it, people still install klaptopdaemon | 05:07 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: in some case | 05:07 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: there is a few settings even for non-installed apps, like knemo | 05:07 |
| Tonio_ | I do ship the config in case people want to use them | 05:07 |
| Lure | Riddell: ok, but we can remove changing in from casper as we do not have it in desktop CD, right? | 05:08 |
| Lure | s/in/it/ | 05:08 |
| Riddell | yes | 05:09 |
| Tonio_ | http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=-8079411349144989883 | 05:13 |
| Tonio_ | LOL | 05:13 |
| Tonio_ | japanese are completly crazy :) | 05:13 |
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| Lure | Riddell: I have sent Mithrandir an e-mail with casper patch (you were on Cc) | 05:48 |
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| zorglu_ | q. i would like to link a programm with glibc in static under ubuntu, is there a package to get gnu libc in static ? (aka without the nss kludge) | 05:53 |
| Riddell | libc6-dev: /usr/lib/libc.a | 05:56 |
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| Riddell | what nss kludge? | 05:56 |
| Lure | Riddell: why "congrats to Raphink and Tonio"? | 05:58 |
| Riddell | Lure: they're getting married | 05:58 |
| zorglu_ | Riddell: when you link in static with this libc.a you got the nss (name service switch from /etc/nsswitch.conf) which it is not linked statically | 05:58 |
| zorglu_ | Riddell: so the exe produced is not static and still requires the same glibc version to exist on the system you run | 05:58 |
| Lure | Tonio_, raphink: congrats! ^^^ ;-) | 05:59 |
| raphink | thanks Lure :) | 05:59 |
| raphink | Lure: just so you don't wonder longer, we're not getting married to one another though :p | 05:59 |
| raphink | we'll each have our own wives ;) | 05:59 |
| Lure | raphink: lol | 05:59 |
| zorglu_ | /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.a(gutils.o): In function `g_get_any_init_do': warning: Using 'getpwuid' in statically linked applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking <- Riddell the static linking produces this kind of message to warn you about it | 05:59 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: hehe thanks :) | 06:00 |
| seaLne | raphink: "we'll each have our own wives"? plural? | 06:00 |
| raphink | yes one for me, thanks :) | 06:00 |
| seaLne | but you aren't having more than one each then? :) | 06:01 |
| raphink | no | 06:01 |
| raphink | one each | 06:01 |
| raphink | :) | 06:01 |
| zorglu_ | Riddell: about this subject, http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/Configuring-and-compiling.html search for --enable-static-nss | 06:06 |
| zorglu_ | Riddell: ? | 06:13 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I added an agenda point to discuss about kickoff | 06:17 |
| Tonio_ | I saw it on suse and I must say I would really love the same | 06:17 |
| Tonio_ | especially since kde4 could be based on that | 06:17 |
| mhb | Tonio_: do you have a screenshot? | 06:20 |
| Tonio_ | mhb sure ! | 06:20 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: http://kde-apps.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=47224&file1=47224-1.png&file2=47224-2.jpg&file3=&name=openSUSE | 06:22 |
| Tonio_ | I pretty much like it | 06:22 |
| Tonio_ | it looks like modern and as interesting usability things | 06:22 |
| Tonio_ | allee: ping ? | 06:24 |
| mhb | Tonio_: looks interesting | 06:24 |
| allee | Tonio_: pong! | 06:24 |
| mhb | Tonio_: has someone packaged it yet? | 06:24 |
| zorglu_ | q. is there a channel for people coding on kubuntu ? | 06:24 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: diserves a try in my opinion :) | 06:24 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: nope | 06:24 |
| Tonio_ | allee: is the kde-extra team planning on packaging kipi-plugins beta or do you wait for stable version ? | 06:25 |
| Tonio_ | I can work on that and upload to alioth if needed | 06:25 |
| zorglu_ | hehe uneasy to get an answer here :) | 06:25 |
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| allee | Tonio_: Mhmm, I had a try some longer time ago and edgy (at that time) missed some pkgs. Maybe this has changed not sure. | 06:28 |
| Tonio_ | allee: okay so I'll probably wait for debian and sync.... | 06:29 |
| Tonio_ | no need to waste time on this :) | 06:29 |
| allee | Tonio_: I'll have a lock at kipi-pluigns again | 06:29 |
| allee | Tonio_: yes :) | 06:29 |
| Tonio_ | allee: just testing digikam 9 -> kickass ! | 06:32 |
| allee | Tonio_: oh, you have already exiv2 0.12 pkg version? | 06:34 |
| Tonio_ | allee: nope, I'm playing with opensuse and an rpm package on another machine :) | 06:34 |
| Tonio_ | allee: is latest exiv2 required for digikam9 ? | 06:35 |
| allee | Tonio_: heh,heh. FWIW it seems to turn out that exiv2 0.10 in edgy has quite some bugs that lead to crashes :( | 06:36 |
| allee | Tonio_: yes. due to 0.10 bugs | 06:36 |
| Tonio_ | afaics, it is already in debian, which only has exiv2 0.10 right ? | 06:36 |
| allee | 0.11 -> 0.12 is mainly localication extention | 06:36 |
| Tonio_ | allee: yes but that doesn't seem to be a big issue since debian unstable already has digikam 9 and exiv2 0.10 | 06:37 |
| allee | Tonio_: yes. We, well mark asked debian rm for an exception to get 0.12 into etch. Hopefully we see a 0.12 tonight in experimental | 06:37 |
| Tonio_ | should be working, at least building :) | 06:37 |
| Tonio_ | allee: I'll test 0.12 ans eventually upload it to ubuntu | 06:37 |
| allee | Tonio_: I've build pkgs last night you get a pkgs with an empty /usr/bin/ :) | 06:38 |
| Tonio_ | allee: digikam packages ? | 06:38 |
| allee | Tonio_: no exiv2 0.12 | 06:38 |
| Tonio_ | ah.... Ill have a look | 06:38 |
| Tonio_ | let's test right now | 06:38 |
| allee | Tonio_: 0.9 rc1 and exiv2 had severa crashes reported on ml and b.k.o | 06:38 |
| Tonio_ | allee: okay probably due to exiv2 if my undersanding is correct | 06:39 |
| allee | Tonio_: alioth kde-extras has a ready debian dir assumed that exiv2 0.12 is available | 06:39 |
| allee | Tonio_: yes, exiv2 is blamed. Digikam FAQ has an entry about this already | 06:40 |
| allee | Tonio_: ah, I have not merged you digikam/showfoto split to debian 'cause etch is too near for such games with NEW queue | 06:40 |
| toma | digikam is constantly depending on the latest and greatest, bad thing imho... | 06:41 |
| Tonio_ | allee: building exiv 0.12, we'll see what happens | 06:42 |
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| Tonio_ | allee: hehe | 06:42 |
| allee | ^^ and that's an enhancement, | 06:42 |
| Tonio_ | allee: who is Gilles ? | 06:43 |
| allee | usually he does it in digikam when a feature is missing | 06:43 |
| toma | allee: i dont think it is wise to release like this | 06:43 |
| allee | Tonio_: Gilles is the lead developer of digikam | 06:43 |
| Tonio_ | allee: okay, well my point is just testing and eventually upload, if Gilles has patches, let me know :) | 06:44 |
| allee | toma: well, kipi-plugin, digikam and exiv2 all try to have something stable until christmas. | 06:44 |
| toma | allee: that's not possible | 06:44 |
| allee | Tonio_: usually I would agree, but the RAW handling is currently such a moving field, that means using 3 month old version implies 50 % less RAW support | 06:45 |
| toma | reading exif info is not core functionality of digikam | 06:46 |
| toma | libkexif was tested properly in that area | 06:47 |
| Tonio_ | allee: I assume that was for toma right ? | 06:47 |
| allee | toma: libkexif is no longer necessary. and exif doesnot support RAW files | 06:47 |
| allee | Tonio_: sorry right t<tab> error | 06:48 |
| Tonio_ | allee: hehe | 06:48 |
| Tonio_ | allee: I hope you'll be there toonight in the meeting to talk about you know what :) | 06:48 |
| toma | now you depend on a not so tested lib which has no i18n | 06:48 |
| allee | Tonio_: yes, and I'll have to leave soon to be back at home in time | 06:48 |
| allee | toma: 0.12 added i18n | 06:49 |
| toma | allee: which langs are incluyded? | 06:49 |
| toma | french probably? | 06:50 |
| allee | toma: have not looked yet. But fr is and de. Didn't Gilles even ping on kde-i18n for translation (because all kipi apps benevit) | 06:50 |
| allee | toma: yes, gilles translated to fr while they added i18n support | 06:50 |
| toma | its not in kde svn | 06:50 |
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| allee | toma: yeah, I remember an url to another repo | 06:51 |
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| toma | ;-) | 06:52 |
| toma | i dont blame you, only gilles | 06:52 |
| Tonio_ | allee: -rwxr-xr-x root/root 153636 2006-12-07 18:57 ./usr/bin/exiv2 | 06:57 |
| Tonio_ | allee: 0.12 build correctly here | 06:57 |
| Tonio_ | allee: I'm uploading to ubuntu. Are you interested in the source package for debian ? | 06:58 |
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| allee | Tonio_: the debian maintainer told us he has something ready. But has not upload yet, so sources are well come to build rc2 on dapper/edgy ;) | 07:44 |
| Tonio_ | allee: we will probably not provide any backport | 07:46 |
| allee | Tonio_: I'll do it in my repo | 07:47 |
| Tonio_ | allee: ah okay | 07:47 |
| Tonio_ | allee: btw, I have just finished the packages on my own, and since we are modifying digikam (we split showfoto) I'll probably upload them as this | 07:47 |
| Tonio_ | allee: what I've done is sync the packaging with debian rc1 packages | 07:47 |
| Tonio_ | allee: I'll resync with stable release too | 07:47 |
| allee | k np. I'll start to pester you about alioth when I've found time where the buildserver.net expect the kubuntu branch for autobuilding ;) | 07:48 |
| Tonio_ | allee: you mean ? | 07:49 |
| Tonio_ | allee: concerning alioth here is the point : | 07:49 |
| Tonio_ | I sync my packages with debian as much as I can, but lots (not to say all...) debian maintainers simply ignore the ubuntu packages | 07:50 |
| Tonio_ | and since the kubuntu packaging team is really little compared to debian, I don't want to waste time doing everything twice... | 07:50 |
| Tonio_ | so if I do important changes or packaging fixes, I ping the debian maintainer | 07:50 |
| Tonio_ | but managing kubuntu packaging + alioth is a lot more work... | 07:51 |
| Tonio_ | and since debian doesn't do any effort...... | 07:51 |
| Tonio_ | how many packages were in ubuntu before debian ? lots ot them | 07:51 |
| Tonio_ | and the debian maintainers repackaged everything from scratch everytime..... that's stupid but well.... | 07:51 |
| toma | Tonio_: thats a disapointing point of view | 07:52 |
| Tonio_ | toma: I agree, and I understand, but well... | 07:52 |
| toma | i will not start to against it, it will take me ages | 07:53 |
| allee | Tonio_: well, goal (mine) is that 'you' just so a svn co/ci debian/ of a kubuntu branch below pkg-kdeextra. | 07:53 |
| allee | ... if the debian pkgs is in already in pkg-kdeextras | 07:53 |
| toma | so you do ubuntu and i will copy your work to debian. everyone happy. | 07:53 |
| Tonio_ | allee: yeah I should do that a bit more | 07:54 |
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| allee | Tonio_: I also don't do more. | 07:54 |
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| Tonio_ | toma: hum that's not exactly my opinion | 07:54 |
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| Tonio_ | hehe, looks like toma didn't appreciate... :) | 07:55 |
| allee | :) | 07:55 |
| allee | Tonio_: I've to leave otherwise I will be too late at home for the meeting. | 07:56 |
| allee | cu | 07:56 |
| Tonio_ | cu ;) | 07:56 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: what time is the meeting ? | 09:09 |
| mhb | in 2 hours, AFAIK | 09:11 |
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| ryanakca | Riddell: my school will take PGP signatures (at least thats what I was told today) | 10:33 |
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| gnomefreak | Jucato: your on feisty right? | 10:42 |
| gnomefreak | oh wait you dont use gnome do you | 10:42 |
| Jucato | nope :) | 10:43 |
| Jucato | and my feisty is on vmware only | 10:43 |
| gnomefreak | dist-upgrade is being a <insert bad word here> | 10:44 |
| mhb | gnomefreak: you tested dist-upgrade to feisty? | 10:45 |
| gnomefreak | mhb: no been there done that | 10:45 |
| gnomefreak | mhb: dist-upgrade is broken in feisty ;) | 10:46 |
| Jucato | I'm finding my own little weirdness... the Live CD (and hence the installed system) seems to have a lot of stuff in Lost & Found... | 10:46 |
| gnomefreak | dist-upgrade isnt handling held back pakcages at all | 10:47 |
| gnomefreak | waiting for mvo to answer me | 10:48 |
| mhb | I hope I can assemble enought volunteers in -testers so that we can begin testing and reporting bugs about dist-upgrade to Feisty quite early | 10:48 |
| mhb | I guess after the ImportFreeze | 10:48 |
| Lure | Jucato: same here, and also Settings -> Peripherals -> OBEX | 10:48 |
| Riddell | Jucato: I know, not sure why | 10:49 |
| Jucato | oh good. I thought I messed something up... :) | 10:49 |
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| gnomefreak | mhb: so far my 3 times there were no problems | 10:53 |
| gnomefreak | maybe 4 | 10:53 |
| mhb | gnomefreak: that's good to hear | 10:53 |
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| mhb | gnomefreak: but intensive testing will make it even more flawless :o) | 10:55 |
| gnomefreak | mhb: agreed ill be doing it again in the next week or so | 10:55 |
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| mhb | I guess yes and no | 10:56 |
| mhb | you can test different install CDs there, for instance | 10:57 |
| mhb | but it's always better to test it on the real hardware later on | 10:57 |
| Jucato | yeah, I guess so... | 10:58 |
| Riddell | Kubuntu meeting time, in #ubuntu-meeting | 10:59 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm there | 11:01 |
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| mhb | Tonio_: can you do a screenshot of ksynaptics btw? | 11:10 |
| mhb | Tonio_: in English possibly | 11:10 |
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| Tonio_ | mhb: I don't havea laptop here :) | 11:13 |
| mhb | Tonio_: aww | 11:13 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: but we'll discuss this right now | 11:13 |
| mhb | Tonio_: exactly | 11:14 |
| lotusleaf | allee: I don't want to derail the Kubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting, but is it safe to say that kdar is DOA for feisty? | 11:26 |
| allee | lotusleaf: better say it after the meeting here. I'll try to make a point at the end of the meeting about backports of broken stuff in edgy | 11:27 |
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| lotusleaf | allee: hi =) thank you very much, and thanks for your attention to this particular bug =) | 11:28 |
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